Apple KILLED the iPad!

[@Jacked2theTs]

This is ludicrous. The M series iPads can do everything the MacBook Air can do and more. The only thing artificially limiting it, is Apple itself. And they specifically do it, to push you into buying both a tablet and laptop/desktop.

[@JerrySchulze]

Artificial or not, Apple has limited what the iPad can do in software.

[@ml4319]

So if wasn't for the fact that things are the way they are, you'd be right...

[@dannybeeh6332]

Yep, unless you make money from mobile games like World of Tanks Blitz, Genshin Impact or Assasins Creed, there is literally no need to upgrade. Max Tech showed that the newer iPad’s did absolutely nothing more than the older iPad’s with photo exports and video editing due to software limitations. Apple even put 12 GB of RAM in an M4 base model iPad, and lets the system use 8 GB… yes it does keep a few more things open then my M1 iPad Pro… but do I really care if an app I haven’t used for 3 days stays open or not. Especially for the price? I returned my M4 iPad Pro.

[@Tealtealr]

I'm moving on from the idea of iPad as my everything.. gonna uogrdqe M1 iPad pro to surface pro or surface laptop

[@Aslam_Aliyu]

I literally feel the same way I feel like if you have the Mac and the surface you basically have the best of both worlsn

[@DennisSchmitz]

Also thinking about that. The iPad is just useless although it has better hardware.

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

@@Aslam_Aliyu I’ve been mostly using my 12.9” M1 for gaming and KZbin. Still “thinking” about upgrading.

[@gehtdinichtsan309]

was thinking about upgrading from an 11" ipad-pro (2018) to a surface (tablet, not laptop), but imo given the lack of hardware power vs the m4, win11 not really being optimized for touch-input and the high asking price plus additional cost (keyboard), i quickly moved on from this idea.

[@Dillingham-]

Perhaps the keyboard case distracted people with unrealistic expectations. I use my iPad daily as a tablet and love it. Putting an input device between your hand and the screen removes all the magic.

[@giannifiore7231]

Mac Mini is my main computer, iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard is my grab and go. I’ve tried really hard to make it that true “in between” device that Steve Jobs initially introduced it as.

[@mmp64]

Me 2

[@GrumblingForesight]

Yep sounds about right to me. Sold my last iPad Pro (M1) on October last year after trying to make the iPad life work since 2017. The platform’s not goin nowhere so I’m just using my M1 MBA + the iPhone 14+. Got the power and capabilities I need when I need it plus I still have a big mobile screen for my aging eyes.

[@cdot.8492]

Feature locking full-screen desktop output to m1 for me. I had the 2020 iPad Pro and ended up collecting dust once I got the M1 Air Macbook. Now Windows has arm and iPad should be worried.

[@tomburke5311]

I've never understood the interest in making the iPad the primary mobile computing device. For me, the iPad is for content consumption; the MacBook is for creation. I recently bought an iPad Air to support my 2020 14" MacBook Pro (base model). The MacBook can do all of what the iPad can do, and more, but the iPad can't do what the MacBook can do. If you need just one device, get a laptop - the newer MacBook Airs look very good, a good combination of power and portability. I'm in the fortunate position of being able to own both types of device, but each has its own role.

[@itsacookie1]

The inconvenient truth is Apple makes too much money from the iPad (as a mobile OS) to even consider loading MacOS onto it. Apple is not allergic to money, if they see a path to take more of your money they will do it. If iPad ran MacOS it would not cannibalize the MBA just like the Surface Pro doesn't cannibalize the Surface Laptop.

[@gwvaio]

This part , don’t they still get 30% from app sales?

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Of course the iPad would cannibalise Mac sales if it were to run macOS the whole point of an iPad is for it to be a companion device. It’s meant to enhance one’s experience. The iPad is a part of the bigger picture the Apple ecosystem itself what Apple needs to really do is add Missing features such as proper multitasking on the iPad and to have native apps ported over from macOS. It does not need to run full macOS and I find this notion silly and ridiculous.

[@jimtipton8888]

Still loving my MBP, but I find a lot of use in the iPad. So much so I find myself using it more than the MBP.

[@michaelcobbin]

Thanks to the ARM chips, Macs and iPads provide the best technology in each category, e.g., PCs, laptops, and tablets. Apple improves on technology every 18 months with significant technological gains, which was impossible with Intel. Depending on your user requirements, the Mac, iPad, or both can cover them. Here’s my opinion: Now that Macs have the M chips, Apple’s strategy for the iPad is to develop new workflows around the Apple Pencil or touch-first. Examples of this approach are Math Notes, Smart Script, Final Cut Pro for iPad, Logic Pro for iPad, and Procreate. Apple is pushing the iPad in a different direction than Macs, but there is still an 80% overlap in capabilities between the two devices. Apple is ahead of Microsoft thanks to the continuous development of the Mac and the iPad.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Thank you finally someone talking sense. I don’t understand this ridiculous notion that the iPad Pro should be running macOS when the iPad is still what Steve Jobs envisioned the in between device the companion device my opinion does room for both Mac and iPad

[@brochg]

Thank you for the great video, Jerry! I'm still running an M1 Macbook Pro, and the decision about my next machine is really tough. I never take my laptop from it's permanent location on my desk, sitting in a vertical stand. Because of that, my next Mac will be one of the desktop models. An iPad pro takes care of all of my portable needs. This leaves me with the Mini or the Studio. I don't NEED the power of the studio, but it seems to be more future proof with its base configuration having 32GB of ram.

[@JerrySchulze]

That’s a good start. Probably a good idea to wait for the M4 ultra.

[@basitkram]

Yes, I agree with you. They should not have ever put M series on iPads. People started to expect too much out of it because basically it has the same Macbook processor.

[@JerrySchulze]

Great point

[@bryans8656]

I recently purchased the M1 iPad Air 5 as a companion device to my M3 Pro MacBook Pro 14. Since the MBP is docked most of the time as my primary computer this is the perfect combination for my use case.

[@JerrySchulze]

They go great together.

[@mattbosley3531]

I have both an M1 Max Macbook Pro and an 11" iPad Pro, and I use the iPad Pro 75% or more of the time. It's smaller, lighter and convenient for me to carry with me everywhere. And it does almost everything I need to do. I have the Macbook for those few things that I don't want to do or can't do on my iPad. So for me the iPad isn't dead, and I have no desire to have MacOS on it.

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

Can anyone comment on the 13” iPad Pro with 16 ram and 1 tb storage? I’ve been hearing that there’s a problem with heat and the battery is draining too fast. I’ve got the 12.9” M1 and I’m thinking of upgrading after 3 years.

[@abdurrahmankhan129]

Well, I just ordered it with cellular about 5 minutes ago. Went with AT&T, so it’s about $59 a month for about 3 years. Should be here either Monday or Tuesday next week. Now I’ve gotta get another Magic Keyboard. If I can’t sell my M1 then I’ll trade it in and get the keyboard with the gift card. Hope it’s worth the trouble.

[@LB-yg2br]

Nah, iPadOS killed the iPad. Every time I think about buying a new one I think “why?”

[@drsuppan]

There was a time where I would use the iPad because of weight limitations on some international flights. A suitable MacBook with enough power would have been too heavy. That’s over now. So it comes down to the apps you use. I prefer Capture One on the Mac and don’t like the iPad version. I use LumaFusion for a quick edit on site, but that runs on MacOS now as well. And I need my Photoshop Plugins, which are not available on iPad. Makes it an easy choice for me. But it may be completely different for someone else

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep, agree, depends on person and their needs.

[@kekuleh1]

When the new m4 is made more power efficient, Apple decided to make the ipad thinner, instead of letting we have more battery life. And what I hate the most is the browsers have less capabilities than the desktop versions. So many work these days run on web apps, ane the iPad app versions of those apps usually very limited.

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep that may be the iPads biggest problem.

[@Isengardtom]

A real iPad user would argue that thinner is a good thing. It makes the device lighter and easier and therefore better as a tablet. Most of people using arguments against the iPad actually just want a touch screen Mac

[@teohontech7141]

People who buy iPad and found out certain things can’t be done are just those who bought the wrong tool. A chopper can be used to cut sushi but it’s not the right tool

[@DennisSchmitz]

newsflash: Literally nobody is buying the iPad anymore.

[@janenmarelia]

@@DennisSchmitz wishful thinking??? Keep dreaming.

[@Rfhuir343]

Except it is a computer - it has processing power, memory, storage, IO, software, connectivity, etc. You can use it to consume or produce!

[@Inkleme]

iPad is for artists, it has good art apps and Apple Pencil Pro proves that. People who take notes and watch KZbin should not buy iPad Pro. I use it and the amount of layers it can handle makes it a worthy purchase. Sure there are problems but having such a light and portable professional graphic tool is godsend. I can work anywhere and be able to do my work. No need to connect and bring wacom and laptop and have some cables around. iPad has replaced my graphic design process and it’s absolutely amazing.

[@tomslayton2319]

After seeing the new Surface Pro 11 w/Snapdragon I am considering replacing my Apple Tech for that. Just waiting for the SP11 w/5G later this fall. One mobile device to replace my Mac and iPad Pro 5G.

[@commentarytalk1446]

You've answered the question correctly: As soon as competition leads to more people doing this then Apple will suddenly upgrade the OS on iPads to be usable for productive use cases. So probably another 2 years before then.

[@thesolver1970]

why bother putting the M4 in the iPad Pro if Apple doesn't have a plan for it? I have the 13 inch replacing my gen 1 12.9 and the difference between the two in terms of speed and some apps and stage manager is night and day. But its so locked down that I still revert back to my intel 14th gen gaming desktop and X1 Yoga. If they could add better file management (the biggest fail I think), fix the bugs in stage manager, fix the audio issues and encourage desktop class apps - like AI denoise in Lightroom etc most of the complaints would disappear. To me these are simple fixes for how many software engineers do they have??

[@thesolver1970]

someone asked me a few weeks ago, "what is the least responsive, least innovative government department you've ever dealt with?". I said "Apple", because thats sure how like they feel.

[@hmurchison8123]

It's time for a Caldigit TS-5 with that superfast 10 giblets networking and fast CFast cards.

[@Sam-oz8tw]

I swear, every day on reddit or other forums there is a "Should I ditch my laptop and go with the ipad?" post. NO! Absolutely not. Apple continues to treat the ipad like a 6th child twice removed, and you should too.

[@Paradiiiice]

How’s the Caseless iPhone journey going?

[@JerrySchulze]

Ugh, I hate it. No new damage I just like the feel of cases better.

[@pappi3]

Bought iPad Air M2 and kind of regret it with the restrictions on so many levels. Apple is so greedy and cunning that it allows extensions for its Safari browser but add on support is not available for other browsers who can take full advantage. Apple keyboard app is so pathetic but it just doesn't allow other keyboard to function better. It literally acts like a bully. Decided that this would be my only Apple product that I would swap for Android/Windows tablet in future. Apple ecosystem is not for me.

[@mr.spokesman5849]

Dude ... have you people realized that having all 3 devices is not mandatory? iPad's are for artists that draw (tattoo artists) or older ppl that only want to consume WWW and phones are just too small (my mom).

[@gwvaio]

Apple never meant for the iPad to be anything serious. It’s still running IOS for gods sake

[@janenmarelia]

I buy an Ipad because I love the whole system, I got my first one years ago and never looked back at computers. Just like most everyday people, most young people and people like me we get our work done on a telephone or a tablet, and if you are a musician like me the Ipad is the best tablet. And the one with the fastest processor will last me the longest. All these people telling they stick to their M1 Ipad confirm that and since I have seen what Logic pro did to my old Ipad with the ai, it convinced me that the fastest (M4) will be the best. ILike most people, don’t need a computer, it is old fashioned and bulky and I love my touch screen. Computers lost this battle years ago.

[@Nsfwstar]

Is so funny seeing comments saying that a tablet is not a computer, bro every tablet is a computer, every tablet that is not an ipad is capable of use the most obscure software like an app that convert psp iso games to cso and even be able to open the terminal and install linux apps (Android, Chromebook and Windows are able to do thay via terminal) The only tablet that is not a computer that doesn't even have a file manager is the iPad and that's why is getting cooked on the Internet recently

[@ricarmig]

Basically Apple is trying to impose an over 1000€ device (pro) as a “companion”. Heck, why would anyone (unless professionally it makes kind of sense like designers) spend that huge amount of money, if there are better alternatives (Air or Samsung Tab S8 for 500€ 120 Hz LCD or the S9 with 120 Hz OLED ) to have a “companion” or tablet? Besides, now there are tones of ARM based Windows laptops that have touchscreen and OLED and are fully functional. Why buy a Mac + iPad? Of course there are people fully into Mac / Apple, but even for those, I see no point going MacBook + IPad Pro M4. I would but a refurbished or second hand iPad Pro without a keyboard and call it a day.

[@amandeep9930]

They should discontinue MacBook Air and replace it with iPad (with MacOS option)

[@JerrySchulze]

Interesting thought

[@milad7764]

Let's be honest,I always have both laptops and tablets but I almost never use my tablets.

[@dplj4428]

operating system needs catchup.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

I don’t believe the Mac has killed the iPad, it’s actually crazy some of these Clickbait headlines. Oh Apple killed the iPad or Mac killed the iPad or should run macOS Which I don’t think so all the iPad Pro at least needs is dedicated native macOS apps, the iPad is meant to be a companion device for stuff that you could only experience with an iPad and vice versa.

[@shto4782]

why can't they make it a full pc? why should we be satisfied with this half phone half pc

[@Denvermorgan2000]

The Ipad should run mac os.

[@TheContrariann]

I want a 2-in-1 foldable Macbook. Microsoft Surface pro is better tha a useless iPad.

[@soragranda]

I think, with the years, tablets use case is going down... people are way more able to carry more devices that aren't much bigger than an ipad with more features. Put touch to the macbook and you can actively see way less buys to the ipad, or... also put macosx on the ipad and just let the market decide. We all know the iphone fold is also on development because they are scare it takes part of the cake of both iphone and ipad. Is weird, they always compete with themselves, this shouldn't be an issue, specially now that rivals with qualcomm devices are going to also steal some of that cake, because tablets with X elite and also, laptops with x elite will also took some bit of the tablets and laptops market, on apple territory too even if its not by that much because will be offering stuff apple is not doing at the moment.

[@teohontech7141]

Except there is unlikely to be touchscreen support on Mac.

[@chinaman1]

I recently joined a new company and the laptop they gave me was heavy af. I travel a lot for work, so I thought I'll get an ipad for work too, but I already have an ipad pro from 4 years ago, which is still going to get the latest ipados update. So I tried to use it for work, which will entail Microsoft Office. Unfortunately, the mobile version of office is dog sh!t, meaning I don't get the full version, so it's not ideal for me. If only the ipad Pro runs macos as an alternative, that would mean I'll get to use the full version of office for my work while I'm travelling... Alas, that's not to be the case. But this is a chicken and egg scenario. Should Microsoft make full version offce available on mobile devices like the ipad? Or should Apple make macos available on the ipad Pro? To be honest, it's easier if Apple just makes macos available on the ipad Pro... Then I'll just run the full version of office on macos instead of the crappy mobile version...

[@lehaepta]

Just bring MacOs to iPad. iPadOS was useless from the start-I can't imagine doing anything on it, except for watching KZbin.

[@Isengardtom]

This would be bad for two reasons - MacOS isn’t optimised for touch which would make the tablet experience worse - it would stop incentivising developers to make touch first iPad apps It’s not going to happen because Apple wants everything to go to the App Store and doesn’t want my 2nd point to happen I’d be ok with a dual boot or something like that but just slapping macOS is a dumb idea

[@DennisSchmitz]

@@Isengardtom could be either dual boot or Apple allows using apps like Finder, Terminal and other regular desktop apps at least docked with the magic keyboard.

[@bassyey]

@@Isengardtom Then update MacOS to have two modes, touch mode and desktop mode. That's what it means to bring MacOS to iPad.

[@noinghenah2764]

actually the ipad should be the future of macbook but Apple let macbook kill ipad 😂

[@adinnugroho6544]

I don't know what's on Apple's Mind, by creating this just confusing devices. While the rival, made it into one 😅😂 Well, I realised if in the past, MacBook was supposed to be touch support like Windows Laptop a d Tablets. But it didn't happen

[@yega3k]

The iPad is a touch device. The Mac is not. Stop comparing the two already! If you’re using your iPad like a Mac, just get a Mac (imo). I use both. I love both.

[@JerrySchulze]

Hi, hopefully you made it to the end of this very short video. I agree.

[@commentarytalk1446]

The iPad uses type/pointer input as well as touch/stylus so your artificial distinction is moot. Running a VM running MacOS inside iPadOS would demonstrate that amply.

[@yega3k]

@@commentarytalk1446 Did you try driving Mac OS with a touch interface too? If you want to strap a mouse and kb to your iPad and call it a Mac, be my guest.

[@commentarytalk1446]

@@yega3k When using Remote Desktop the Touch functionality works the same as a Mouse Pointer device and little different to Windows Surface Pro with Windows UI (not touch-centric either) with Touch. The fact remains for desktop usage you rarely need to touch the screen though it's a nice convenience to have. So you see the UI makes little difference because you can switch to the appropriate input according to use case eg desktop features of an OS use point/type and tablet UI features of an OS touch/stylus. It's the same principle behind Samsung's DeX though that is not using a fully featured Desktop OS behind the UI change which is a more fundamental consideration.

[@yega3k]

@@commentarytalk1446 The iPad’s primary use case is not in a VM or via Remote Desktop. No one does that unless they absolutely have to. It is a touch device. If you want to use it in some other way, that’s up to you. But stop trying to convince me it’s the same as a Mac. It is not. An iPad is made to work best for your fat fingers. Every iPad app is designed around this. I also write apps for both and the underlying frameworks do not try to model the same behaviors. Just the same way Vision Pro and Apple Watch would never try to model the same behaviors for example. I don’t know anything about Samsung and the rest, Apple’s ecosystem doesn’t work that way. And it’s probably why I’m not using a Samsung tbh 😜

[@user-sl8gi3vb6e]

I really cannot understand why someone would say something so ridiculously stupid... and waste the views' time by making such pointless videos.....

[@jon649]

speak more naturally, those pauses are annoying

[@testertester4968]

Apple Silicon is slow.