Apple M1 SSD Lifespan Ageing. Do YOU have the problem?

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Mark Payne

Mark Payne

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@HansJoachimMaier
@HansJoachimMaier 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. A nice explanation! I have a 8/512 GB Mac Mini. I got mine at the 16th of January.Currently I have 2.43TB written, so I am at 40.5 GB/day. But I am using it much. It runs probably around 15 hours per day (Homeoffice, private usage).
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers!
@santanawilian
@santanawilian 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation on this topic that I've ever seen! Thank you, Mark!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@_diegomadrigal
@_diegomadrigal 3 жыл бұрын
This tech educational videos along with music production are your strength. Keep it going , love the content so far!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@kengkhim
@kengkhim 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for investing your time in this, love from Malaysia.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@nickcorr7244
@nickcorr7244 3 жыл бұрын
Mark really interesting and explained in a way I could fathom. My Mac Pro Mid 2012 OS 11.2.3, uptime 3 days data read 27.7GB / written 26.35GB SSD 1TB Seagate FireCuda 120 SSD ZA1000GM10001. Thanks for a great channel.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats write rate is nice small numbers :-)
@tilleyroadaffairproduction6752
@tilleyroadaffairproduction6752 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there, did you make a video on external ssd drives lately? I thought you had mentionned you did in a previous video on Macbook air M1.
@phopetindall
@phopetindall 2 жыл бұрын
I'm quite concerned. Just standard usage and I'm getting >1TB/day :-( Seems to drop drastically if I close Chrome. I'm on Big Sur.
@dwaynewyatt3
@dwaynewyatt3 3 жыл бұрын
Have you done the 11.2.3 update? I’d love to see a video on your experience with that.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Not yet!
@peeticek1624
@peeticek1624 3 жыл бұрын
Have this issue also on new imac with i9 intel cpu..
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
What write rates are you getting?
@TheWorld4all
@TheWorld4all 3 жыл бұрын
You are 57 years old!!!! I thought you were at least 65 years old.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Why thank you :-)
@avinashnair5064
@avinashnair5064 3 жыл бұрын
my Mac m1 is just 2 days old and it has written already 250gb is it fine? as initially I installed a lot of programme and I have Macbook m1 512SSD 8Gb ram..variant please reply
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Setup is going to write a lot of data on a one-time basis. Log it after a few more days now that you have fully installed and take off this initial write amount.
@avinashnair5064
@avinashnair5064 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio thanks a lot
@andersongomesbd
@andersongomesbd 3 жыл бұрын
SIMPLY THE MOST FANTASTIC VIDEO ABOUT SWAP MEMORY EVER!!!! Congratulations on your video and all the effort you put into research to get to this INCREDIBLE result! SIMPLY THE BEST!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@LucaRuzzola
@LucaRuzzola 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, what a great and simple explanation, thank you! Keep up with these amazing tech videos! Your competence really shows, have a great day
@johnadams3038
@johnadams3038 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is Google Chrome caching and 3rd party browsers, just don’t use them.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.. I don’t get what is wrong with safari.
@easyvelvet77
@easyvelvet77 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like back to class again! Amazingly clear... Thx ! I saw your other video about M1 8/16 Gb Ram using Logic Pro, and got it well. Thx again! I'm using Logic Pro 10.6 with my old macbook air, for playing what i would call "live sets", playing for around 3 hours, 25 tracks more or less in Logic pro project (16 to 20 elements, samples and loops, per tracks in this "live loops" way) so ... i can have around 500 pre-loaded elements in the Ram! My macbook Air running an intel i7/8Gb of RAM is totally ...SMOKING!!! I don't even speak of the buffer that i need... at least at 512 (if not 1024!) Not to have my CPU crashing... For sure i need to limit the VSTs & plugins use to the strict necessary: Apple EQ on each track (over the magic EQ3 from fabfilter...), few compressors on my groups, one IR1 Rev, one H-delay... Very very tight, to keep all this running. So? i go for the Update with those magic M1 chips. I'm about to order the New 14" Macbook pro thinking of 1Tb SSD and 16Gb Ram, (32Gb seams extremely massive and 400$ for it a bit excessive... Don't you think? Some say that 16Gb on those new ones are as powerful as 32Gb on the old Intel model...) But i'm mostly wondering of the "utility" of 10 cores CPU versus 8... A video about it, or any suggestion, would be amazing! It's seriously a pleasure to hear you talking so clearly and with so much ease, about those ..."Things" that we are bound to: to express, to create, to work and communicate! Shine!
@mark-ze4en
@mark-ze4en 2 жыл бұрын
I hear your questions regarding 16 vs 32 Gig ram. What I understand is regardless of what pc or Mac 16 G ram is still 16 G. You can't really expect the ' Shared memory' to make up the difference in memory pressure. I have had cash in hand for a new machine for months trying to determine what the most advantages configuration is for my modest studio. I have a sub powered older Dell quad core that has such high latency when using external idi controllers that makes it useless. As well I have heard that external ssd are not as responsive on recall of samples and I am tempted to pay the additional$400.00 for an extra terabyte of ssd in the mac( mini M1 or Mac studio Max) just to give me the piece of mind .
@plfarinha
@plfarinha 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, thanks for the great video on ssd wearing. I'm more inclined to buy an M1 now, since the ssd wear was one of my biggest doubts. However, could you share where you found the 0.3 factor for DWPD? I'd like to learn more on that before I make a final decision. Thanks, Pedro
@cebulagner
@cebulagner 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation Mark! Love your work! Question, is it possible to allocate swap memory to an external SSD?
@jonathanpage6813
@jonathanpage6813 2 жыл бұрын
I know windows used to (and maybe still does) have a feature like this, but Mac does not. The reason it doesn’t is because an external SSD is many times slower than the internal one so it would slow the whole computer down as it was waiting for memory to write and be read from the external SSD.
@jamesgreen332
@jamesgreen332 3 жыл бұрын
Wow.. thank you for showing me the way, not into such things so it's amazing that I was able to get my numbers. So, I use about 27 GB a day on my MBA 250 GB/8 GB RAM
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thats nice small numbers. No worries.
@normjones6916
@normjones6916 3 жыл бұрын
You are an amazing educator "the best", wow great info on this topic
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that!
@bieda4592
@bieda4592 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. You should have way more views and subscribers!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Working on it!
@JerryHerrera
@JerryHerrera 3 жыл бұрын
The most complete explanation I've seen after weeks. Thank you for investing your time in this.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@BraveNuword
@BraveNuword 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Thank you! And wish you a happy and healthy long life so you can happily run the test on your SSD after 50 yrs.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that!
@mohamedessawey4192
@mohamedessawey4192 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation on this topic that I've ever seen! Thank you, Mark!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@AdamHumburg
@AdamHumburg 3 жыл бұрын
Such a good video! I am no longer concerned. Purchased a 512GB M1 Pro one month ago and have done 24.77GB per day. I am interested to see how that number changes after having done all of my data migration and app install duties. On 3.75 (roughly) days of uptime my average is 3.94GB. That’ll do nicely.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
No worries there then Adam, like we said, In my opinion this was a blown up issue and effects very few people. Let's see!
@obsidian9651
@obsidian9651 3 жыл бұрын
Discovered your channel last night and I gotta say what a gem! I love your teaching style!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome! and Thank you!
@cogbeatz
@cogbeatz 3 жыл бұрын
You're the best Sir Mark Payne. Great tutorial, wonderful explanation.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@cogbeatz
@cogbeatz 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio You're welcome Sir.
@mwang168
@mwang168 3 жыл бұрын
So, what's the expected life span for a 512GB SSD? 750TBW or 1PBW? Thanks.
@joecool2162
@joecool2162 2 жыл бұрын
#only regret is not having come across your site earlier #algorithm
@Gongtopia
@Gongtopia 3 жыл бұрын
This was great. I'm not a techie, but you explained it all in a way that I could understand and actually use. I think that unless you were some sort of business crunching massive amounts of data seven days a week, you would be fine. And if you were a business like that, you'd probably replace your computers well before you wore out the SSD drives. Thanks for another great video!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou!
@Teschnertron
@Teschnertron 3 жыл бұрын
Another great explanation. Thank you very much.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@kungfuthug101
@kungfuthug101 3 жыл бұрын
Your video was great
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You are a fast watcher... its just gone up!
@edgeoftech6345
@edgeoftech6345 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio I watch all videos at 1.75 speed, unless it is a song.
@MuhdFaizFXIZZ
@MuhdFaizFXIZZ 3 жыл бұрын
I'm using my base MacBook Air for university works and my "Data Write Per Day" is 6.5GB. I appreciate these kind of proper evaluation.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@SKYz64
@SKYz64 3 жыл бұрын
4.3TB total, 4 months in so around 37GB a day. I'm more than safe with my 512GB ssd :) The step-by-step tutorial really helped! Most other tech KZbinrs leave out certain steps. Much appreciated!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. On the money.
@kostadinb
@kostadinb 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have an M1 Mac, but I am considering one very soon. When I saw the news about the large amount of SWAP on the 8GB models, I got concerned a bit. But Mark, You've put all of these concernes to rest, very informative and educational, thank You !
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to be able to help with the context.
@metecetin
@metecetin Жыл бұрын
60gb per day on 256gb sdd...
@taylorshin
@taylorshin 6 ай бұрын
All the calculations are done by Apple. Obviously, they are smarter than everyone on and visiting this channel including myself. But then a sudden death always happens... And when it happens, PC laptops can cope with just buying another SSD module. But not Macbooks. That's the primary difference.
@just_pierre9730
@just_pierre9730 3 жыл бұрын
Another masterclass! Thank you, Mark. My Mac Mini M1 16/512 : 2,92TB written since december 21 2020. I use it about 4 hours per day, mainly for Logic Pro X in Rosetta 2 mode and Ableton Live 11. Looks like the SSD will last longer than I do(62)....... :)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a worry when a computer can outlive you! I feel your pain!
@andrejpaskalev2617
@andrejpaskalev2617 Жыл бұрын
13-inch, M1, 2020, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD Creation date of my home dir 6 Feb 2021 (753 days old), written 506T 506 000 / 753 = 671GB Looks like I'm over .3. Now I have to watch it again because I didn't catch the part how much longer should this shit last. And I think I do nothing too crazy with my mac. I work as web developer, all those writes are from reinstalling node_modules, switching postgres dumps and having multiple tabs open in 2 browsers.
@robinthomsoncomposer
@robinthomsoncomposer 3 жыл бұрын
Erudite and clear as usual mate Going to start showing my IT students a selection of your videos that I think will be appropriate for them Thanks again for the hours of effort you are clearly putting in to these videos
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Please do! That is most rewarding. Back in the day I taught engineers and customers at Hewlett Packard but that was a good 20 years ago (and some) :-)
@robinthomsoncomposer
@robinthomsoncomposer 3 жыл бұрын
Well I am not surprised to hear that. Your ability to break the material down in to bite sized chunks and accompany it with relevant extra explanatory material is the mark of a good teacher.
@joeldanielsson
@joeldanielsson 7 ай бұрын
84gb/day here and i use my mac all day long every day, i run illustrator, photoshop and some music production softwares. i got 1tb of ssd.
@tassawar.sheikh
@tassawar.sheikh 2 жыл бұрын
Please have a quick read and reply. Available Spare: 100% Available Spare Threshold: 99% Percentage Used: 3% Data Units Read: 119,134,293 [60.9 TB] Data Units Written: 98,124,552 [50.2 TB] I have had the machine for year now. So according to this tool, 50TB is only 3% of the total health? Dividing 100\3%(health) = 33.3 Multiply 50.2TB*33.3 = 1673TB/1.63PB So is 1673TB/1.63PB the total expected TBW of my specific drive?
@Raja995mh33
@Raja995mh33 Жыл бұрын
Just tried it on my MacBook Air M2 which I got with 10-core GPU and 512GB but only 8GB RAM because it was the only model available besides the pure base one. And I surely was slightly concerned because of all the stupid articles about the whole topic but for no reason. I currently have a total written of 1.63TB in 38 days. That's less than 43GB per day which is far away from the about 156GB I could get each day based on the 512GB.
@Mats_73
@Mats_73 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation. I love your way of explaining things!!! Thank you Mark! :-)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@marcinha1973
@marcinha1973 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Took off fear before buying my first Mac.
@avinashnair5064
@avinashnair5064 3 жыл бұрын
Why edge and chrome is writting into ssd while browsing ? is it. a known issueS?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Dont know! I use safari!
@avinashnair5064
@avinashnair5064 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio thanks you
@johnnyschuetten
@johnnyschuetten Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your time and expertise making this excellent video - this was so incredibly useful and answered so many questions at once…and also helped tremendously in the decision about the capacity of the SSD for my next MBP. Thanks again! 😊
@ananthprem8804
@ananthprem8804 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Mark. Just sharing data from my system. I have a 2014 MacBook Pro 13 with a 256GB SSD (intel machine of course). I’ve used it everyday for the past 6.5 years. My usage metrics are as follows: TDW: 55TB Daily Written Data: ~23GB
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@DICKTURPIN1976
@DICKTURPIN1976 2 жыл бұрын
Possibly the most valuable channel I've found on youtube for a long time. These videos are next level.. The educating skills in these presentations are nothing short of phenomenal.
@familiarshadow1
@familiarshadow1 2 жыл бұрын
I've had my M1 for ~345 days: 67.5 TB writes comes out to ~195GB/day 1TB drive and usage shows only 2%
@sovansarkar5188
@sovansarkar5188 3 жыл бұрын
As a Bachelor in Computer Science student my daily write is approx 27gb. I do all the college assignments and coding and attending Gmeet and Zoom for online classes watching video lectures and surfing through the web etc etc. I'm currently using the 8gb/256gb version of M1 MacBook Air.
@liaketali
@liaketali 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for this very informative video. I recently impulse bought a discounted Mac Mini 8GB M1 with 256GB and mainly intend to use it to learn and use Logic (moving over from PC and Cakewalk). I plan on on using an external ssd to store my Logic projects as well as the Logic sound library and other plugin samples/sound libraries. I thought that this would be the best way to reduce writes on the internal drive. Is this a good idea?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I would say... dont worry about it. The excessive write thing was more about memory pressure than usage of the disk by applications.
@-Retired-
@-Retired- Жыл бұрын
Really well Explained! Thank you.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ΚωστήςΔρόσος
@ΚωστήςΔρόσος 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for all the information! I want to get a macbook air 16gb / 256 gb and I was concerned... But since I'm not into technology... What if the intergraded ssd fails ? Will I be able to start the system from an external ssd considering I already downloaded the operating system ?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Well you could do that but it would be a pain (boot from external drive). Integrated SSD failure is very unlikely. If this worries you then buy apple care with the system and then sell the system second hand after 3 years. As I said ... these failures are very unlikely.
@ΚωστήςΔρόσος
@ΚωστήςΔρόσος 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio thanks for your answer! i had a hard disk failure and i guss i left with a trauma hehehe
@kaitran
@kaitran 3 жыл бұрын
Great detailed video, sorry I only watched the last 10 minutes video, but how much RAM do you have in your machine?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
16GB
@72151
@72151 9 ай бұрын
Love the old school relationships, easier to understand. Thank you kindly.
@doppelmeyer
@doppelmeyer 3 жыл бұрын
Hey - maybe a dumb question, if you covered it in the video I'm sorry, my brain isn't wired for all this kind of stuff! I'm looking to get an M1 for music production, but I don't have the money to pay an extra 400 pounds for 1TB of memory, but I use a dedicated 2TB of external storage for all my files anyway. I only intend to use the M1 for music making, and I'll have another laptop for daily Internet use etc. Aside from whatever SSD writing I'll need to use to install Logic and such, will me using the external hard drive allow me to circumvent the problem of wearing out the SSD? Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so the problems people are having are generally related to the disk write activity due to the use of Swap Space on the internal SSD. This is the area that is used on SSD when RAM memory is short and macOS has to start throwing things out of the house to make room. You will not really do a high degree of writing to any SSD, internal or external doing daily stuff including a load of audio and video. Like you I would support the use of external SSD for your projects. However I think 512GB is a nice place to be with internal SSD. And if you can then 16GB RAM will be safer than 8GB... more rooms in the RAM House. However, I use Logic and I find it very efficient on memory for my workload. And I would get away with 8GB. ... But I have 16GB... So if you can afford an Air with 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM, that would be "the money" IMHO.
@doppelmeyer
@doppelmeyer 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks for taking the time to explain! I'll take your advice into account, cheers
@normjones6916
@normjones6916 3 жыл бұрын
You've made me more curious to use the terminal , whats a good resource to become unscared :)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so I am rusty but I learnt how to operating and administer Unix systems back in my computer career days with HP. macOS is Unix compliant. I used to teach Unix system admin to customers back in the day when people would attend a residential 1 week class for such a thing! This kind of resource is out there if you want to put some time into it www.guru99.com/terminal-file-manager.html
@tech4life884
@tech4life884 2 жыл бұрын
If I could get 3 years out of my M1 MacBook Air Base model I just got, I'll be very pleased.
@danilorb7775
@danilorb7775 10 ай бұрын
Great class! Thanks for the info
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 10 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@joycesim
@joycesim 2 жыл бұрын
Best vids indeed, super enjoyable and educational
@Esh831
@Esh831 2 жыл бұрын
its been a week I bought the MBA 8gb + 512 gb variant so far I have never seen anything huge in terms of swap memory..I am a medium user.
@umue11
@umue11 3 жыл бұрын
My Mac Mini 2018 has less than 15GB DWPD. Bought it in Dec. 2018 and it has a 128GB SSD. So, even with the smallest SSD option I'm good. However it also shows me that my system writes less than half the data than yours on a M1 Mac. FYI, I only use the internal SSD for the OS and applications. All my files are on external devices.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
We think a lot of this is about M1 systems. The worry is that they are VERY efficient with memory management allowing the systems to run performantly with very little RAM for big tasks. The internal SSD is used as backup swap space maybe more than would be expected and some users see BIG write rates as a result. That is the theory. You are probably not going to see this issue on older hardware anyway.
@aelaan12
@aelaan12 3 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough I have 38.46Gb written per day on a 1Tb "platter" (lol)
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Platter!
@pilsplease7561
@pilsplease7561 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio The windows system that I replaced with my m1 mac mini was 5 years old and I ran the tool on the SSD which is a wd blue 2.5 inch ssd and it said it was at 50% lifespan with 24/7 power on for 5 years basically short of booting back up for update. it says 386TBW and thats in a older drive thats not that good compared to newer stuff so I think that mac drives are not going to die fast considering I wrote heavily to that drive.
@jonhjonhathon5142
@jonhjonhathon5142 3 жыл бұрын
@@pilsplease7561 What is ssd's capacity? 512?
@pilsplease7561
@pilsplease7561 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonhjonhathon5142 yes
@rodrigo-5967
@rodrigo-5967 3 жыл бұрын
wow this is amazing, the explanation was clear and the video was very informative, keep up with the good job! (I even subscribed :) )
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@itonuoro3813
@itonuoro3813 2 жыл бұрын
interesting video, thank you!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@zoiuduu
@zoiuduu 8 ай бұрын
i use windows 11, 1tb ssd, 25.3 tb written, 404 days, 63gb per day
@mard192837
@mard192837 3 жыл бұрын
There is a report that someone in China is able to de-solder and upgrade the SSD. So, I guess, there is some hope that the whole machine won't be fried if the SSD fails prematurely. Not to mention that Apple will try to protect its reputation if a lot of SSD start failing by offering some sort of warranty replacement program.
@SP-qk5iu
@SP-qk5iu 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation as ever, thank you Mark! I have been watching your videos a lot now, and I must say, I am really enjoying these.This is for all as a question. I am on the verge of buying a Macbook, the only thing that I need suggestion with is; will Minitab software and Power Bi work on it? I have been researching a lot about this, but have not got a definite answer and that is stalling my first Macbook purchase. I would buy the 512 / 8. Would parallels do the trick for me, not sure
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry that I am not using Parallels or the other s/w you mention so I cannot add value there!
@SP-qk5iu
@SP-qk5iu 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for the reply Mark 👍
@hankshippovsky7546
@hankshippovsky7546 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! :-) Thank you very much, Professor Payne! :-))) Great answers for people like me, who are using computers, but have no idea of how they actually work! 🙏
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Prof Payne.... I like that but unfortunately.... I am just a Mr!
@hankshippovsky7546
@hankshippovsky7546 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio hey, you‘re at least „Professor“ Payne, I think...;-)
@Problembeing
@Problembeing Жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation. Clear, precise and simple. Thank you. Will have to look at the disk writes after a long render to have a better idea of where I stand. I just bought my M1 Max, 32Gb RAM/GPU, 1Tb SSD a couple of weeks ago, so I hope at least Blender and Logic won't destroy it too soon! I do get a whopping amount of swap whilst rendering and watching KZbin on Safari at the same time, but I'll be sure to keep checking my daily usage to see where I'm at and if there is anything I can do more efficiently. Thanks again! Subbed. Slightly less anxious about it now.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio Жыл бұрын
Cool!
@istvi1328
@istvi1328 Жыл бұрын
martctl takes ONE device name as the final command-line argument.
@chouaiboo15
@chouaiboo15 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed explanation of the memory swap on apple M1. I have noticed that using a memory cleaning application like Memory clean 2 or similar program will push more data to be written on your SSD . So I believe using these applications will increase the data written on your SSD just by pressing the clean button which does no magic to the RAM, it only moves data from RAM to SSD even when your RAM is not under pressure. We would be better off if we let macOS do its magic in managing memory then using some random third party application that does nothing special.
@TheYearOfJerome
@TheYearOfJerome 3 жыл бұрын
Base model M1 Macbook Air. 77GB written per day. :(
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Feels a little high. What are you running? What is the big memory hog in Activity monitor... order the processes by memory size and look at the top ones. Also in the disk section. Which process is the top disk IO writer?
@TheYearOfJerome
@TheYearOfJerome 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio launchd and kernel_task. now it's 93GB per day. i'm most using office stuff -- microsoft outlook and teams, as well as watching youtube videos. :(
@TheMrboombostic
@TheMrboombostic 3 жыл бұрын
That, my friend, gets you another subscriber! Perfect explanation for a layman like myself.
@mhasan341
@mhasan341 3 жыл бұрын
+1 sub, excellent video. I've been following Constant Geekery, they are amazing as well
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@2cvman1
@2cvman1 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for your explanation Ik have a 256 GB en have it sinds 22 febr. I have written in total 1110GB, that's about 39 / 40 gb per day... I'm safe! Thanks!!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers
@wikkidselekta
@wikkidselekta 3 жыл бұрын
7 months old M1 MBP w/512GB ssd...Data Units Written: 12,074,227 [6.18 TB] via SmartMon...23GB DWPD via Activity Monitor...20GB
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thats ok.
@francescocolangelo6900
@francescocolangelo6900 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, thanks for the nice video, it’s very clear but it triggered a concern: According to your arguments, I see that the DWPD should be a function of the actual free space instead of the total SSD space. Is that correct? And if so, would that means that we should seriously consider to always have a min of ~100GB free in our SSD? (Such that we can “safely” write our 100GBx0.3 = 30GB per day, which matches your estimation that we can assume as a typical number.) A feedback would be appreciated! Thanks!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
I like your thinking. The SSD can only write to the free space that is left. Unless the controller is operating some kind of re-write/migrate policy where old established data that we have read only attitudes to is migrated around so that the free space (as a result) is also being migrated around?
@corvus00
@corvus00 3 жыл бұрын
My own numbers on my M1 mini 16GB/1TB are 75GB writes/day. Given warranted 300GB of writes/day I'd say I'm within tolerances, yeah? I do wonder if my higher numbers are being caused by something like memory pressure from Chrome (Vivaldi) which I use for hours a day on KZbin...
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You are. Keep and eye on writes fro the Kernel_task. Thats managing memory pressure if you have it.
@mdnasirulislam5308
@mdnasirulislam5308 Жыл бұрын
Hi, can you also share how to uninstall this program, thanks
@colindoyle9876
@colindoyle9876 Жыл бұрын
Have fear most people have high writes not low like yours
@adamyt0
@adamyt0 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@sady01
@sady01 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the theory and the explanation and the brief detour to contemplation of our mortal existence as a Mac user at the end
@RudolphMatongo
@RudolphMatongo 2 жыл бұрын
2 days of uptime it's been 363GB per days
@krosser2123
@krosser2123 3 жыл бұрын
I can see that you also use OneDrive there. So, it looks like that non native app doesn't really impact the SSD, which is good to know. 👍
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I have two OneDrive accounts syncing. Don't let anyone persuade you that Rosetta apps cause swapping per se. Bad apps cause swapping!
@nellwackwitz
@nellwackwitz 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio You totally rock! Because of this issue, I saved up and got the 1 TB version of the MacBook Air, and I've stopped using Chrome and non-native Adobe apps. There are plenty of MAC alternatives.
@MahyarKa
@MahyarKa 3 жыл бұрын
I'm using my Macbook air "256 GB _ 8 GB" for "20 days" TBW=630 (32GB/day). Not a huge deal but I will be more careful and will observe the following days , although mind that we tend to write a lot more data when we get a new device, so no worries .
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Good numbers!
@dscruf
@dscruf 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Terrific video. I'm at 28 GB/day on a MBP with 1TB SSD. Had the machine since Jan 1. It's used heavily for Audio Work (Logic). I also teach daily with it - about 3 hours of live class time on Zoom Mon-Fri teaching comp sci, programming and front/back web dev. Still, that can't amount to many writes. My initial install of 500 GB of audio sample libraries in early Jan skews this heavily. Lately, it's averaging only 9GB/day (100 GB with an uptime of 11 days).
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
That is very low write rate :-) Can I ask, is this a 16GB or 8GB system?
@nellwackwitz
@nellwackwitz 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you so much Mark! I've learned lots from you! I've had my 1 TB, 16 GB RAM, M1 Air for two days! 😀 Using your program, I've written 515 Gigabytes over those days, which divides out to be 257.5 GB/day. I'm not too worried since I've been downloading lots of programs into my SSD. Using the activity monitor, I have written 78.4 GB over the past 22:35 hours. I think I'm alright.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! That will propably settle down anyway and it sounds like you are in install phase as you say.
@ale_filmmaker3513
@ale_filmmaker3513 3 жыл бұрын
Well I have had my MBA 8gb for 3 days and this is the results I am getting, I am using FCPX and keeping my video files only on my external SSD, I am starting to think theres something wrong with my laptop. Data Units Read: 3,366,935 [1.72 TB] Data Units Written: 4,000,152 [2.04 TB]
@TheMrboombostic
@TheMrboombostic 3 жыл бұрын
Ale_Filmmaker did it ever settle down?
@ale_filmmaker3513
@ale_filmmaker3513 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMrboombostic yes it did, I think the main reason it settled is because I am creating proxies for my 4k footage (1080p) and turned off GPU acceleration in Lightroom, I am editing all day and I am getting around 30 gb/day of data writen, I am also using a external SSD (I am not sure how much that helps).
@Xlippo
@Xlippo 2 жыл бұрын
If the SSD breaks down after 3 years, great, thanks for the free M4. Apple warranty/service is great.
@floridahummer
@floridahummer Жыл бұрын
well i'm 62 and know exactly what you mean.
@r.s9556
@r.s9556 3 жыл бұрын
M1 Mac with 16 gb ram shows zero swap usage even when playing multiple games on it and even if an app is left open for couple of days in the background it handles it really well left it on standby it has amazing battery life. Always have latest updates installed on your device and any bugs will be fixed automatically and go for the 16 gb variant if you’re using it for heavy tasks.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Very good. Fore more specialist applications the latest updates the latest updates sometimes break things! I think at the moment with M1 it _is_ important to ride the updates as they happen. Later... when things are more established I may like to not be fixing it unless it is broken.
@The_Penguin_City
@The_Penguin_City 2 жыл бұрын
Excelent video, congratulations.
@godoscureful
@godoscureful 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark. This was such a nice video, congrats !. Nice edition btw. This might be offtrack but I was wondering… could you do a video talking a bit about how to take care of the M1’s battery ?. There are a couple of videos out there on youtube but I just love your way of explaining stuff !!! Thank you so much, and cheers from Chile >:D
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I have that planned!
@kurtweber1267
@kurtweber1267 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto on the other comments made. Excellent explanation and real world testing. I love the speed of the internal SSD but this issue had me nervous. Fears calmed.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Kurt!
@basakarunava
@basakarunava 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on this topic that is getting lot of attention of late. A must watch for anyone who want to know more about the truth. I just applied your techniques I find that my DWPD is coming to around 23.5gb. My M1 system is a 512gb configuration! A big thank you for sharing such wonderful explanation!
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that's small beans usage. All good!
@JReis88
@JReis88 3 жыл бұрын
What’s better for a person who can upgrade only one thing? Going for 16 GB ram or 512 GB SSD?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You can always add an external SSD. You cannot add RAM.
@Raul689
@Raul689 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this explanation
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@emrekasgur4493
@emrekasgur4493 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, It's a nice and technical expression instead of empty words. Thank you very much. In short, my MBP ( 16/256) won't die in five years If I limit myself to 75GB usage per day. Good to hear that. So, I have one more question. Will SSD slow down over time?
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I think this very unlikely and super difficult to measure... so no! :-)
@2712nokia
@2712nokia 2 жыл бұрын
Omg … you are awesome. Great great video!
@thebasspapa
@thebasspapa 2 жыл бұрын
Great, now I am more relaxed and can calculate myself. Thanks a lot, this was outstanding
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@alecrimneto7856
@alecrimneto7856 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really impressed by the quality of this video. Brilliant stuff.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@the_last_bencher2064
@the_last_bencher2064 3 жыл бұрын
I Would have opted for Science if he was our Professor.
@MarkPayneAudio
@MarkPayneAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely complement!
@Scandi63
@Scandi63 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkPayneAudio I’ve been working with computers since the early 80s, and I gotta agree. I’m now retired, but this was one of the best explanations on SSD I’ve heard. One never stops to learn! (Well, finally, but who wants to think about that…) 🤔 Oh, do I remember the good ol’ days with disk drives like the one you showed a picture of! Wow, time is passing and the technology have rushed forward. Love your videos, Mark! The command-line inputs remindes me of the days with Unixware that I used to support. Great to see a guy who really got the grip on these things, and also so much in studio and music. I’ll be looking forward to lots more videos from you. Cheers mate! 🎸👍🏻
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