What did the Klingon Empire do?

Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 4 The Way of the Warrior

[@GregoryHager2011]

You know, that news probably hurt Jadzia the worst. Being that Curson was one of the lead diplomats that helped bring the Khitomer Accords into existance.

[@Robert_Douglass]

Yeah, along with a certain Romulan diplomatic party. Anyone remember Nanclus and Pardek?

[@mackgiver875]

@@Robert_Douglass You mean the Nanclus who was advocating the Federation launch an offensive against the Klingons just to rescue two starfleet officers? That Nanclus?

[@Robert_Douglass]

@@mackgiver875 Yup, that'd be him. Bet he never expected his homeworld's sun to go kablooey a hundred years or so later, huh? And that would be the same Pardek that betrayed Spock to Sela around 2360 something...

[@WhiteScarsEmo]

@@Robert_Douglass Ever wondered or wished that we got to see Pardek get his comeuppance? Guy was playing a seriously long-game with Spock and their entire plan got tripped up towards the end.

[@zincwing4475]

I think Worf had it worse. Stuck between two worlds that are now in conflict.

[@NealX_Gaming]

Worf has the expression of a man who knows it's bad but won't let himself get upset because he knows things are about to get a whole lot worse.

[@markmarano913]

Federation Council: *condemns Klingon aggression* Klingon Empire: *ends peace treaty with Federation* Years of Romulan plots to dissolve the Federation-Klingon Alliance: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@tremedar]

Dominion: amateurs.... Romulans: What did you say? Dominion: AMATEURS!

[@Robert_Douglass]

Somewhere in Romulan space, Sela is laughing her butt off right now as she contemplates a motion picture career on 21st Century Earth...

[@xaviersavedra711]

It's possible the Dominion has experience dissolving galactic alliances that opposed them. "The Dominion has endured for 10,000 years and will endure long after the Federation has crumbled into dust"-Weyoun.

[@danieldickson8591]

I'm not convinced this particular outcome was intentional. The main goal appears to have been to pit the Klingons against the Cardassians, thereby weakening both potential threats. That it also shattered the peace treaty with the Federation may have just been serendipity.

[@DrownedInExile]

Pity the Klingon restaurant wasn't still around. I picture the chef having a great final feast, a final act as he closes up shop and heads back home. Before the borders close.

[@Jaxvidstar]

Or worse, being labeled a traitor and his entire family dishonored.

[@MeyaRoseGirl]

Would he, though? I mean, if he considered the station his home? It also draws into question any hybrid klingons. They're fine if they're in Federation space, (except that they can't ever go to that part of their personal history) but what if their homes are in the Empire? They'd probably be considered enemies just for having human (or any other Federation species) blood.

[@DrownedInExile]

@@Jaxvidstar I'd like to imagine all that Klingon Klaptrap about honour amounts to posturing political BS for the ruling classes and noble houses. Regular citizens like the shopkeeper and others just don't care that much.

[@Jaxvidstar]

@@DrownedInExile they might have family that would...?

[@Snarflelocker]

@@DrownedInExile excellent point

[@midknight9232]

Strangely, Sisko's announcement about the Klingons ending the peace treaty with the Federation didn't impact me as much as Worf's earlier revelation about the REAL reason the Klingons were invading Cardassia. "There are many Klingons who say we have been at peace too long; that the Empire must expand in order to survive. Fear - of the Dominion - has given my people an excuse to do what they were born to do: To fight... and to conquer."

[@_maestro7168]

nickys34 um, no?? at this point of the show the cardassians were as much enemies of the dominion as anyone else in the alpha quadrant, if not moreso after their attempted invasion. the klingon invasion of cardassia was built on baseless fear, and could’ve set a dangerous precedent. after gaining the resources of cardassia they could’ve invaded the romulans, and even the federation in the future based on those fears. in fact the only reason cardassia made an alliance with the dominion was BECAUSE of this klingon invasion weakening them and causing more fear. it’s exactly what the dominion wanted, the alpha quadrant turning on each other out of fear. sisko was right to call out the aggressors

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

@nickys34 please STFU

[@Aruniel]

@nickys34 This take reads like Romulan propaganda. The Tal Shiar disinformation campaign is hard at work xD

[@VestedUTuber]

In STO there was a Klingon high council member who resorted to using a salvaged planet killer to try and start a war with the Federation for that very same reason. And while his methods were deplorable, admittedly he wasn't wrong on paper. The Klingon Empire is at its most content and unified when at war.

[@dhinton1]

The Klingon Empire is NOT built for peace ..... so Worf saying that is really in-line with the culture's mindset. Plus, the Klingons despised the Cardassians more than the Federation AND Maquis did. Truthfully, the Changeling that infiltrated the Empire didn't need to do much to get them to come for the Cardassians' heads ... ESPECIALLY after that fiasco joint op with the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar.

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

Meanwhile the Romulans are like "We've been trying to destroy the Federation Klingon Alliance for decades, and then some asshole does it in a few weeks?"

[@xBloodXGusherx]

I really have to watch this entire show again. Such good writing. I miss this. It's like being hugged every time I see this cast do their magic on screen.

[@boshman78]

NuTrek really doesn't hold a candle to it, at all.

[@SCARRIOR]

@@boshman78 Woke trek

[@FireLordJohn3191]

Dax looks stunned, Kira looks neutral, and Worf looks ashamed.

[@dhinton1]

I don't think Jadzia NOR Kira thought the Klingons would withdraw from the Khitomer Accords. I'm pretty sure Worf thought that was inevitable ... meaning the choice he made immediately after this scene was coming.

[@hobomike6935]

@@dhinton1 agreed. I think worf knows peace with the federation is better, but acknowledged that his people and humans too have a ways to go before their alliance is more sturdy.

[@thatlithornet6421]

There was a deeper reason for this, Curzon Dax was one of the top negotiators of the khitomer accords, so this really hit home and undid a huge accomplishment for the symbiote.

[@augustday9483]

"I accepted discommedation to protect the unity of my beloved homeland, and now they're just going to throw it all away?"

[@danieldickson8591]

The last look by all three of them in this clip is one of shock. They all understood that the end of the Federation-Klingon alliance will ripple through the entire Alpha Quadrant. And no one will be safe.

[@anthonyju6392]

"The Klingon Empire have been expanding their territory for 200 years, that there would be conflict with the Klingon Empire at some point was obvious to most members of Starfleet. " - Admiral Ramirez

[@gilmadreth680]

"An Andorian acquaintance once said: Never push the Pink Skins to the thin ice...It wasn't very eloquent but the Klingons found it proved quite...prophetic." -Ambassador Soval

[@Robert_Douglass]

@@gilmadreth680 Ambassador Pointy didn't act all uppity this time? Well, who knew the Vulcans could let their logical minds open to the possibilities...

[@gilmadreth680]

@@Robert_Douglass we were quoting from the Prelude to Axanar fan film on KZbin so its not 100% canon even though they got the actor from Star Trek: Enterprise to reprise his role.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@gilmadreth680 its more canon than any shit produced nowadays

[@gilmadreth680]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 fair point

[@captmoroni]

This is Gowron being more politician than warrior.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

Gowron was more of a politician than a warrior anyways. Remember how he almost made Martok a fool later in season 7?

[@girlgarde]

Gowron was a wimp to give into the pressure of the hardline Klingons and behave like it was the 23rd century......

[@w41duvernay]

Gowron is more Trump than a politician...

[@AWriterWandering]

Gawron, ironically for a Klingon, was more of a peacetime leader.

[@madkabal]

@@w41duvernay so he didn't start any wars? Tried pull troops out of existing ones one to get blocked by congress? (Counsel in thier case) Attempted stop the Chinese from (Romulans in this case) from buying the country wholesale?

[@CoolsBreeze]

So many times in TNG Starfleet relied on help from the Klingons and seeing this just pushes how serious things were getting.

[@SantomPh]

most of the time it was some issue with the Romulans and the borders of the neutral zone, or the use of cloak tech the Federation wasn't allowed to use for themselves. Picard reminded the junior diplomat Bychek how important his gratitude would be if Gowron continued to help....or to any Klingon lord who would

[@tonywhite9873]

The Founders laughing, I only had to whisper in those fools ears.

[@1993bahamut]

3 different "oh fuck" expressions 😂😂😂

[@elijahcanning3020]

The Dominion managed to do in a year or so what the Romulans failed to do for 80+ years

[@Coolman13355]

And when the Romulans possibly didn't want it to happen.

[@adamdresch]

I remember when I first watched this scene many years ago, it gave me the chills......fast forward to 2023 and it still does.

[@chrispeplinski7306]

Thank goodness the peace treaty was restored in season 5

[@hobomike6935]

Humans are the Klingons brothers-in-arms when the chips are down

[@richardthomas5362]

This whole episode, both the content and length, was a total and wonderful surprise when I first watched this aired.

[@stewban007]

Personally, I think Gowron seriously overreacted to the Federation Council’s decision.

[@Jacob-qr8pl]

For a Klingon? I disagree.

[@Locutus494]

Remember; he had a changeling (Martok) whispering in his ear the whole time, goading him on...

[@dhinton1]

the Klingons did PRECISELY what the Klingons would do. to the Klingons .... the Federation's condemnation was a slap to the face, and there is only ONE way the Klingons will ever respond to that.

[@dhinton1]

@@Locutus494 the Changeling didn't really hafta do much. the Klingons likely were itching to trample the Cardassians on their own after word of that failed op in the Gamma Quadrant crossed the wormhole.

[@Mark-xh8md]

He did not overreact. Not only did the Federation side with the Cardassians against their Klingon allies (instead of, at most, remaining neutral), they actively told their allies' enemies of their allies' plans. That is betrayal of the highest magnitude. A human would not take such an action well. Much less a Klingon.

[@Foebane72]

It didn't end for long, the Klingons had no choice but to rejoin the Khitomer Accords when the Dominion got involved.

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

Romulans after all their plots to have this happen only to have it happen on its own: "SON OF A BI-"

[@recursor9469]

There were Federation citizens living in Klingon controlled planets? I wonder what that was like.

[@matthew8153]

Imagine Snowden living in Moscow, but before the Soviet Union collapsed.

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

"Let me introduce you all to a human delicacy known as 'kale salad.'"

[@mikespearman1414]

@@theevilascotcompany9255 I imagine many Klingons would immediately bisect the man who tried to feed them kale.

[@Archedgar]

The Cardassians had been arming for war long before this. If the Klingons hadn't attacked first, the Cardassians would have eventually struck. Yeah it's a plot by the founders but as far back as TNG The Wounded it has been established that the Cardassians were definitely preparing to wage war. Just saying.

[@richardthomas5362]

I think Cardassian central command was planning the war. Once they were overthrown by the civilians I suspect a lot of the planning went by the wayside.

[@Archedgar]

@@richardthomas5362 It's true that Central command was overthrown but the intention to attack the Federation was never dropped. Cardassian incursions into the DMZ through BS loopholes and constant rearmament is proof of that.

[@michaelkovacic2608]

@@Archedgar I agree with you. But since the Klingons later fought and won alongside the Federation, they are the cool guys anyway. History is written by the victors.

[@danieldickson8591]

If the Cardassians under the civilian government were still preparing for war, they should have put up stronger resistance against the Klingon invasion. As Gul Dukat expressed it, that war left Cardassia "a third-rate power." Meanwhile the Klingon Empire went from a civil war, to war with Cardassia, to war with the Dominion, apparently still strong.

[@otomicans6580]

Kira let out a Bajoran resistance yell at hearing the Klingons would be attacking Cardassia.

[@Skaitania]

All that from one eMail.

[@dhinton1]

as well as Worf fit in on the Enterprise-D ...... he fit in BETTER on Deep Space 9. serving under two great captains helped a lot.

[@danieldickson8591]

The scope of Worf's duties aboard the Enterprise were narrowly focused. On DS9 they were much broader, giving him more opportunities to display what he was capable of, both as an officer and as a character.

[@odysseusrex5908]

It's interesting that in the Next Gen timeline, no mention was ever made of the Organian Peace Treaty.

[@generalmars3855]

From what I understand the Organian Treaty was nullified by the Khitomer accords, as all it did was create the Klingon - Federation neutral zone. After Khitomer there was no need for a neutral zone and the Organian Treaty became either meaningless or was used as the base for the accords.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

It was more like a truce. In the alternative timeline with a war between Federation and Klingons in TNG, there was ni further i terference from the Organians.

[@johncasey7063]

I'm just guessing, but I'd say the in-universe reason is that the Organian Treaty was imposed on the Federation and the Klingons, whereas the Khitomer Accords was something both powers agreed to, and both powers wanted. Was it the sixth movie that talked more about the peace process?

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@johncasey7063 It's frankly difficult to create a smooth continuity between TOS, Star Trek VI and Next Gen on this matter but something like what you suggest could have been made up. Nonetheless, as a historical fact, the Organian Treaty should have existed and been an important precursor to what came later. Somebody should have at least acted like they had ever heard of it.

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@generalmars3855 Actually, aside from the Kobayashi Maru test, no mention was ever made of a Klingon Neutral Zone. The Neutral Zone was with the Romulans.

[@michaelbaldwin5953]

The Ultimate definition of the brown stuff hitting the whirling thing at the end there !

[@thechad7643]

Federation: Condemns Klingon invasion of cardassia. Gowron: …And so I took that Personally.

[@2bituser569]

DS9 always kept things spicy!

[@Howyaduing]

When Vladimir Putin called back his citizens from the US this scene sprung into mind

[@gentblue]

Putin will not be pleased about this post...

[@madman2u]

Bad day to be Worf, but then again it's a bad day for anyone who tries to pick a fight with Worf for any reason :P

[@89Keith]

unless the writer want to show how tough you are in which case you can one shot wolf

[@hoopsonwheels]

Federation: we condemn the Klingon invasion Klingon empire: yeah no you don’t get to do that looks like we’re taking the nuclear option

[@phoenixyo9987]

Tbh the federation could of just stayed neutral and let the Klingons attack Cardassia, this would of been a prime opportunity for the federation to fortify the wormhole without the Cards getting mad about it, since they are already fighting the klingons. Siskos rescue could of been framed as the desire to detain and confirm or disprove the Founders theory. Than go do some diplomatic stuff and get Garon to just destroy the Cardassians ability for war and let the federation do the occupation business. Maybe even "join" the invasion on the grounds of keeping the klingons in check.

[@thomascollins4325]

Great scene!!!

[@halo-cn3ku]

This particular scene hit close to home for me. I’ve always wondered how Romulans must have initially reacted to this “wonderful” news. Federation and the Klingons working together just always seemed right.

[@danieldickson8591]

I disagree. The Klingon Empire is a colonizing power that rules subject worlds by force, completely contrary to the ideals of the United Federation of Planets. The Federation promotes peace while the Klingons glorify war. Their accords were based on common interests rather than common values.

[@richconner6389]

Damn what a cut point 😂

[@regalecusglesne3022]

gowron has always been a lunatic. you see it in his eyes, they're practically bulging forward.

[@JordanBeagle]

Worf is like "Oh shit"

[@ldl1477]

And this was how the Founders defeated the Alpha Quadrant, by getting them all at each others throats before they fired a shot.

[@warrenreid6109]

Worf is like "hell yea, it's on now bitches!"

[@boqndimitrov8693]

maybe it's a bit of an exaggeration, but Gauron himself was one of the biggest threats to the Klingon Empire. He was an impulsive egoist, putting his own interests first, even in the worst moments of the war.

[@funkyboodah]

Kira looking real cute this scene

[@treym3652]

I remember this part

[@jyvben1520]

Khitomer II is on its way (like salt II)

[@angryman1206]

So basically the Federation was very cross with Gowron and told him that they were very cross with him.

[@ShatnerLover]

Worf’s eyebrows are more dramatic during this series.

[@F40PH-2CAT]

It was a big deal back in 96 when the Klingons became the bad guys again.

[@Renegade2786]

Yesterday's Enterprise just got real.

[@Viking102938]

worf doesn't even wait, he just starts to head out can't blame him, that's kinda awkward, working with your militaries rivals

[@uncletaylorify]

Yes I KNOW that it was a Changeling pretending to be Mortak that started all of that in hopes of breaking up any peace in the Alpha Quadrant......BUT.....for the life of me I NEVER understood how the Federation would break rank with their long term allies the Klingons and side with the Cardassians?! A race that they never got along with and who they knew never could be trusted......even with the new 'civilian' government!

[@mnaglich]

To be fair the federation simply condemned the invasion and said they don't agree with the Klingons causing war on suspicion alone. The Klingons were the ones who broke the alliance.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

First, there is the Federation's ideas of right and wrong. We are not talking about liberation, but naked aggression and conquest. Yeah, the Cardassian military doesn't have such scruples. This makes the Federation different. Also, there are practical considerations. Imagine Japan invading, say, Iran with no good reason. America may consider it a violation of international laws regarding national sovereignty. It woukl better to dissociate itself from such act instead of making the whole Asia think, "who is next?". You must remember that there is something like a galactic community. The Federation must defend its actions before said community even if no one is up to intervening. Being seen as part of an aggressive alliance may weaken the Federarion's soft power. The Federation certainly wants to have the neutral powers' good will and keep open channels to is enemies. And being able to enforce some non-interference consensus is useful (aggressors may seem themselves forced to resort to subtle trickery instead of naked aggression seem as a disturbance of the balance of power).

[@Tigerman1138]

Thiago de Andrade if Japan does invade Iran it would be the best thing to happen to that nation in the last 40 years.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

Tell that to the Koreans... To my point, it does not matter how good it would be (and the Klingons are not exactly more peaceful than the Japanese... or the Cardassian). It would still be violation of international law and America probably would think not be a good idea to support, lest the rest of the world start fearing American aggression. It could disrupt American alliances and create regional (or worse) conflicts America would think not worth it. So the hypotethical Japanese probably would be get a stern lecture on international law. Even Israel (it does not matter what one thinks about Israel and its relationship with America), an influential power in America and a key ally in an important area fihhting against real enemies, doesn't have free hands to do whatever it wants.

[@benlowe1701]

Tigerman1138 In the last 40 years maybe. But 60, 70 Years ago, Iran was considered a democracy... Iran wasn't always a tyranny.

[@kyks6771]

Meaning?

[@oldtwinsna8347]

lol this was meant to be a huge kick in the face to Roddenberry who would never have allowed such a thing. It was supposed to be hugs and kisses between Klingons and Federation from TNG onwards.

[@LocksAndChains]

Good. Roddenberry was delusional.

[@girlgarde]

The writers here wanted to build up how severe the Dominion threat was, that it was causing the Klingons to behave in an irrational manner and destabilizing the Alpha Quadrant with their antics.

[@michael719]

Roddenberry may have had some great ideas with the series but his ultimate goal was money. Some fans basically worship the guy and I don't know why.

[@ib_aryayogabharata]

well they ended peacefully at the end,,,,, short off :v

[@Veridiano02]

@@michael719 It's not about worship anyone. It's about admiring the guy that started everything. At least as a producer, the guy was good at their job. He did create Star Trek. Also, everything everyone has ever created since the past 40000 years was for money, or fame, or both. I mean... Do you work without being payed for the betterment of humanity? Yeah, well, Roddenberry either.

[@MinutemanOutdoors]

If you look closely at the channel profile picture. You will see this is the youtube channel of one Dr. Leonard Hoffstetter

[@salilbhatnagar]

Klingons in the 23rd century to the federation: "You killed our tourchbearer/chancellor/diplomats. This means war!" Klingons in the late 24rd century to the federation: "You condemn our unlawful invasion of Cardassia? This means war!" Klingons in the 22nd century: "So anyway I started blasting"

[@ValiantWrestling]

Please don't mention that trash Disgracery with real trek, it's not part of the original canon timeline.

[@Kla-gu5cm]

@@ValiantWrestling enterprise was good

[@owlsayssouth]

@@Kla-gu5cm also not canon.

[@Kla-gu5cm]

@@owlsayssouth It is. Look it up

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

@@owlsayssouth it is

[@Boomstick4life]

(Speaking to Gowron) Dishonor on you Dishonor on your family Dishonor on your targ

[@jasonbean7296]

uh-oh.

[@lawnmowermanTX]

Uh..... not good..... better start hitting the range... I have a few dozen shipping containers of old Earth bullets and, rocket launchers, and missiles, uh... fully automatic AK-47’s and vintage weapons, used in stopping Bonnie and Clyde...... a few dozen more containers of that style of ammo.....

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Imagine the suffering that could've been avoided by the entire Alpha and Beta quadrants had they allowed the Klingons to easily take out Cardassia. Preventing the attack altogether would've been even better but that wasn't an option.

[@advid01]

Klingons don't take shit from nobody. They live for a chance to fight their friends, why, cause anyone worthy enough to be a friend has got to be pretty strong. And what better way to prove your strength then fight someone you know is strong.

[@scotthamp384]

After the treaty ended, didn't that make Worf a bigger traitor? Until Gowron brought the treaty back

[@RobeonMew]

I get confused because I don't know if this is before or after the changling thing.

[@Howyaduing]

This is after the first contact with the dominion.

[@HailAnts]

What about the Organian treaty? If they try to fight their ships will be magically disabled!

[@Howyaduing]

It was a temporary measure the Organians had no intention of continuous interference with lower lifeforms

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

the more hype version title would be Klingon Empire did WHAT?

[@95DarkFire]

"You won't BELIEVE what the KLINGONS did!" Add a large image of Sisko's screaming face and "OMG" and "WTF?!".

[@brushe8025]

I could never understand the why the organians weren't brought back after all they were responsible for the treaty in the first place

[@TheLAGopher]

The only reason the Organians got involved in the first place was the Federation and Klingons forced them into action by bringing their conflict to their door step. The Organians even said that involving themselves in the affairs of lesser developed civilizations was "Most distasteful" to them. Had Kirk and Spock left Organia before the Klingon occupation, the Organians would have been happy to fool the Klingons into thinking they were occupying a world of sheep. It was just the fact that Kirk,Spock, and the Klingons were about to start killing each other in the presence of the Organians, as well as the assembled fleets of both powers meeting in orbit over Organia, that forced the Organians to make a grand gesture such as stopping the Klingons and Federation everywhere and imposing a peace. I don't think the Organians really expected to enforce the treaty forever. They thought the Klingons and Federation were destined to be allies and just needed someone to set them on the path to peace.

[@pavelow235]

I'm tripping with the way you manipulated the upload date !

[@BigNoseDog]

Sorry Kirk. All your efforts in Star Trek 6 were for nothing

[@geoffwilliams4478]

The lack of peace lasted for only two years. The were re-signed when the Dominion became a bigger threat. Besides...it's just like friendships meeting a bump on the road

[@spaceemperorspar4791]

And I wouldn’t call the 80 years of peace between the Klingons and the Federation between the signing of the Accords and the Klingon-Cardassian War “nothing”

[@XX-sp3tt]

Considering Kirk won the galaxy decades of peace between two great powers...

[@r0bw00d]

You don't need to dummy it down for us, Sisko. We know about the Khitomer Accords.

[@patrickschulz2193]

One of the golden rules of showbiz back then: Always assume any episode of your show is somebody's first-ever exposure.

[@tauridborn2777]

@@patrickschulz2193 Even today, it's a good idea if you want to grow your fanbase

[@adammclaughlin845]

When this first aired I was like "Oh well, who cares, the Klingons were a pain in the arse anyway". But now as an adult who's living through the world polycrisis, this scene seems far more ominous and anxiety-provoking.

[@dominushydra]

"I've got some bad news and some good news... Bad News: The Klingon Empire is out of The Federation... Good News: The Klingon Empire is out of The Federation.

[@TheFrog767]

action stations

[@dhinton1]

once the Klingons started checking ships in Bajoran space for shapeshifters, and once the Defiant defended Kassidy's ship against a Klingon attempt to board it .... there was only ONE way this was going to go. like Midknight said ... the Klingons built its entire culture to fight ... to conquer. and the Federation HAD to go against the Klingons ... because if they run over Cardassia, there's no justifiable reason for the Klingons NOT to go after Deep Space 9.

[@Mark-xh8md]

Except for the fact of the alliance. Had Sisko not thrown away the alliance 'cuz he got thirsty, and cause the war that weakened both parties before the Dominion war, a lot of blood on both sides could have been spared. Instead he destroyed an alliance that had kept the peace and ensured both's safety for....what...close to 100 years?... to directly help an old enemy of the Federation.

[@dhinton1]

@@Mark-xh8md the Klingons' whole strategy was based off a Changeling channeling them to do what they naturally do, which is fight. first off, the Klingons WERE violated Bajoran law. point blank. Kira plainly spelled that out. and the Changeling did that intentionally. second ... the Klingons' assault on Cardassia was based off a lie, and the Changeling running things with the Klingons KNEW it was a lie because the Founders were the ones that created the power vacuum within Cardassia. third .... and most importantly .... if the Klingons DID take over Cardassia, there literally IS no reason for their next move to be anything BUT take Deep Space 9. remember, there ALREADY WERE dozens of cloaked Klingon ships around DS9. that was confirmed EARLY in this episode. and if that happened, then the Changeling could write the script for the Dominion to waltz through the GQ/AQ gateway, and it's game over. The only reason that the battle that ended this double-episode didn't drag on further was because Gowron WAS NOT the Changeling, and he called things off after Federation reinforcements were in sensor range of the station. The DS9 writers did a good job dragging this arc with the Dominion out over five seasons (3-7), and this particular sub-arc over S4.

[@iaf010]

Only show where you recognize the importance of treaties and accords and diplomatic mumbo jumbo..

[@matthew8153]

It deserved to be ten seasons. The writers even planned for that bet the studio cut them short. That’s why the second half of the seventh season is one episode in multiple parts.

[@michaelkovacic2608]

DS9 storyline was by far the best of all Star Trek series. Probably very realistic as well. I also think Star Trek Beyond would have had great potential if they had focused on the aftermath of Into Darkness.

[@iliakatster]

What haven't they done?

[@kxmode]

I think Gowron’s eyes overreacted

[@missleeogilvieraygaal]

Drax

[@DarkKnight52365]

Gowron is a sniveling coward who deserves his fate

[@dawn8293]

This seems like a job for Picard

[@videomaster412]

No we need EXPERTS to do this job. Unfortunately the ONLY one EXPERIENCED enough to help is DEATH: James Tiberius Kirk.

[@Robert_Douglass]

You don't send a humanitarian to do a soldier's job.

[@dawn8293]

He's just a great diplomat with experience and leverage in the Klingon Empire

[@Haaris.Qureshi]

Yeah but what did the Klingons ever do for us?

[@95DarkFire]

Except the blood wine, the Gagh, cloaking devices, and Commander Worf. Apart from those, I ask you, what did the klingons EVER do for us?

[@thanhavictus]

Win the war against the Dominion

[@TheBaalPhaoton]

Apart from bloodwine, gagh, cloaking devices, Commander Worf and winning the war against The Dominion. What have the Klingons done for us?

[@Mentatskillz]

They let you live. What more do you want?

[@vajeye-nar6172]

They didn't conquer the federation.

[@Knightfall182]

Janeway hair does not suit Dax

[@k1productions87]

And where were the Organians?

[@metalmadsen]

All hail the Klingon Empire!

[@seanwebb605]

So........ummmmmm.........well......Worf if you could just pack up your things........or take an onerous loyalty pledge to The United Federation of Planets........that would be great.

[@samsonguy10k]

Worf is already a citizen of the UFP. Asking Worf to reaffirm his loyalty would be asking him to knock you across the room for besmirching his loyalty.

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

@@samsonguy10k at the time, and currently he has dual citizenship in the Klingon Empire and the Federation.

[@Vesnicie]

What did the Klingon Empire ever do for us?

[@Archedgar]

Gave us the Raktajino .....? that's all I got.

[@dhinton1]

The Khitomer Accords essentially kept the Romulans in check. The Romulans on a good day could MAYBE take on the Klingons ALONE. The Romulans wouldn't stand a chance against the Federation ALONE. The Romulans would get trampled by the Klingons AND Federation. and everyone knew it ....

[@mackgiver875]

@@dhinton1 That doesn't make any sense. You just said that nobody needed help to fight off the Romulans and that's why there was an alliance...?

[@alvideos2145]

Awkward time to be worf.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

It's almost as though there are consequences to political actions.

[@Robert_Douglass]

War is politics by other means. Von Clausewitz.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@@Robert_Douglass correct. When a state deems that peaceful resolution will not achieve their desired goals, then a continued state of peace becomes untenable. When peace becomes untenable, the political leadership turns to the men and women of the Armed Forces to enforce the national will and achieve the goals the political leadership have set.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

Gowron and the Klingon High Council saw a danger, the chance that Changelings had infiltrated the civilian and military leadership of a major regional power. They also saw that a peaceful resolution would not be possible. If they were right and the Cardassian Union had been compromised, negotiations would be pointless, serving only to allow the Shapeshifters to consolidate and expand their foothold in the Alpha Quadrant.

[@TheDa6781]

the Klingons figured out who warned the Kardasians about the attack

[@ValiantWrestling]

Cardassians, not Kardasians. You've been watching too much reality tv...

[@americancitizen748]

The Kardashians?

[@otomicans6580]

"Never trust a Kardashian!" -Kanye O'Brien West

[@ValiantWrestling]

Cardassians. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cardassian

[@Howyaduing]

Didn’t this happen to use with the Russians

[@attiepollard7847]

They had issues with the peoples republic of China in the 60s and that's about it

[@bridamy]

This whole story ark bothered me. With all the negative history between the Federation and Cardassians, why would they do anything to help them. Never turn your back on a real ally to help one that's just going through the motions.

[@quietinsound8087]

The Federation betrayed the Klingons when they leaked their allies plans to the enemy. All the lives and ships lost can be put on the Federation yet if is framed as the Klingons were the bad guys and in the wrong.

[@Snowwie88]

What I find odd is that fact that the Klingons had the audacity to attack the Cardassians first, and then challenge the Federation, while about 100 years ago or so, their moon Praxis exploded and the Klingons were basically bankrupt. That moon never returned, so how did the Klingons eventually get their fleet back up in such a short time. And how stupid are they to challenge the Federation, from which they know, they can't win?

[@milamberarial]

the Martok leading the fleet is a changeling, and he convinced Gowron that the Cardassians have been infiltrated by changelings. The changelings disturb the Klingons on a very visceral level, and they perceive the changelings as a threat to the entire alpha and beta quadrants. They haven't challenged the Federation at this point in the story, because they know that the Federation won't go to war with them. All they have done is make it clear that if the Federation does anything, the old treaty won't stop the Klingons from going to war with them too. They are relying on the Federation not wanting to start a war to keep the Feds out of the issue.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

In the TNG alternative timeline where there was a war between Federarion and Klingons, the Klingons were defearing the Federation.

[@andrewworley4401]

The Klingons saw this as saving the Alpha/Beta Quadrant so they were helping out the Feds. The Feds did not see it this way saw it as Klingon aggression reasserting once more.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

andrew worley To mention just something like that in own world:The Japanese Fascists said they were freeing Asia from European colonialism. Other Asians, even as they opposed European colonialism, did not it.

[@kivimik]

@daro2096 You realize that it would be a small matter for a Founder to fake this. They have Martok in their custody. Simply take a vial of his blood, and release it when the "hand" is sliced.

[@tamarahagenbeek]

Humans: condem government agressive mandatory shots. Government: end peace treaty with humans.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

Humans: Stupid enough to not get voluntary shot to prevent life-threatening disease. Government: *facepalm*

[@tamarahagenbeek]

@@michaelgreenwood3413 Maybe there where the grass is greener but not in real life where vaccinated infect other vaccinated

[@tamarahagenbeek]

@@michaelgreenwood3413 Like in Europe. Even a QR code is required to destroy, track and trace the virus.

[@tamarahagenbeek]

It was all to gain control

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@tamarahagenbeek In real life, Vaccinated people AREN'T infected other Vaccinated. That's a Bullshit rumor Trump came up with that isn't backed up by, you know, REALITY.

[@pepperVenge]

This would never have happened if Roddenberry was running things during this show. I doubt DS9 would have been been allowed to happen. A shame in a way, because DS9 was a good show.. So maybe I'm wrong.

[@mrizwan7566]

King kong empire planning an invasion of Kardashians. Federation decided to condemn king kong invasion. King kongs have with drawn from khitomer accords.

[@Sagittarius-81]

Jennifer Squires. NOT MY WIFE! MOTHER! MOTHER!

[@duckduckgoismuchbetter]

I can't stand the Kardashians. They are a problem in EVERY century they are in a TV show. 😁

[@Mark-xh8md]

It's almost as if the Klingons don't like being betrayed by someone who were supposed to be their allies.

[@blusafe1]

Your best frenemy punches another dude you kind of sort get along with, breaks down his house, steals his stuff, and you're fine with that?

[@Mark-xh8md]

@@blusafe1 - Except by treaty, the Klingons were allies. Deliberately firing on a Klingon vessel, even a warning shot, is betrayal of the highest magnitude

[@attiepollard7847]

@@Mark-xh8md so defending the independent merchant ship in international space with federation citizens on board is a betrayal?

[@Mark-xh8md]

@@attiepollard7847 - Opening fire on a Klingon vessel is de facto a declaration of war. And anyone with half a brain would know that the Klingons, of all races, would perceive it as such. Doing so, and thereby laying the foundations of a war that killed only God knows how many Federation and Klingon citizens and weakened both empires (like the Dominion wanted) because you're thirsty (notice that he didn't do this until it was his gf on the ship) is abominable.

[@attiepollard7847]

@@Mark-xh8md then let them think that they were damned foolish for even doing that. And now look at the Klingon empire after the Dominion War weak and their civilization on the brink of annihilation.

[@fjccommish]

What did they do? This was DS9 - nothing interesting.

[@LocksAndChains]

Your mom was nothing interesting.

[@kmarasin]

Godammit, Gowron, stop acting like Trump. Wait, I've got it! Trump is a changeling!

[@wilsonj4705]

Yeah, because Trump has gotten us into how many wars? I may be going out on a limb here but I think the answer is zero.

[@whathell6t]

Wilson J Well! Trade wars aka mercantile policies. But hey, that’s not important. It’s not like it will affect the American farmer’s exports.

[@wilsonj4705]

I must of have missed the part where Gowron declared tariffs

[@kmarasin]

The analogy here was in how each treats their closest allies. The glibness with which Gowron treats a 50-year old alliance is similar to the way trump treats countries like the UK, Canada, and Germany, nations we have invested much in over the past 70 years in the service of the Pax Americana. Much like Gowron, trump uses "America first" as an excuse to put our best friends second.

[@wilsonj4705]

I was just making fun of the fact that some people no matter what the conversation will insert a Trump bash into it somewhere somehow. Seems like some people now-a-days can't even watch a toilet paper commercial without finding something about Trump in it. I'm seeing it on display in the comments for just about every youtube video lately. . Even many anti Trump people are getting sick of it. TDS is very real. There is nothing in this video remotely Trump, Zip Zero

[@angelortega]

24th century Liberals. 😂

[@DrownedInExile]

/Eyeroll

[@collinsdarkwa281]

I remember this part