DS9 I'm an Engineer (Empok Nor)

Garak and O'Brien fight it out

[@williamjameslehy1341]

They're fighting over who gets to be Julian's true BFF.

[@raphaelrae8186]

+Jacob Hoss Heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee.

[@VulcanOnWheels]

+Jacob Hoss Actually, they were fighting because Garak was infected with the same drug as the Cardassians that were left on Empok Nor.

[@tigersebel]

+Bert Visscher You must be fun at partys

[@VulcanOnWheels]

tigersebel Just correcting a misunderstanding.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

+Bert Visscher It wasn't a misunderstanding. It was a joke. The only person who misunderstood was you.

[@thecursor1]

O'Brien was a veteran of the Cadassian Border Wars, this is not the first time he's had to fight a highly trained Cardassian Operative, nor was it the last.

[@katheli89]

@Hakageryuu that's what I was thinking. When Garak was in his right mind and really wanted someone taken out, he did is fast and efficient. This behaviour here is due to the drug which cost him the victory (thankfully). We saw how scary he was taking out elite soldiers one by one at the beginning of the episode before the drug fully took over.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

"I don't hate you, Cardassian.... I hate what I've become, because of you."

[@methos-ey9nf]

... I've become an engineer 😆

[@noahpartic7586]

​@@methos-ey9nfDamn good 1 too. Scott would be 👏🏾.

[@noahpartic7586]

Understandable. Taking a life, for ANY reason, is not to be taken lightly. It's losing a Virginity ye can never get back😱. It's a fucking BIG DEAL.

[@stanleylee5358]

I love how uniquely terrible Star Trek fistfights are. I hope it never changes.

[@andrewk9267]

I was curious about that the other day, so I looked it up. Apparently, almost every Star Trek fight post-TOS was choreographed by one single guy who thought that the two-handed axe-handle punch looked "futuristic"... crazy stuff lol

[@stanleylee5358]

@@andrewk9267 I see. He believes in a future where all civilizations have to turn in their knowledge of reality-based combat sports for warp drive technology. This makes so much sense. Hardly any protective gear for away teams, the choreography believes in keeping the chin high up in the air with the mouth open during fights... it's all coming together.

[@arav13]

Writing was good when fighting was shit.

[@stanleylee5358]

@@arav13 That is the truest statement I ever saw about Star Trek.

[@JustinLRyan]

"Well how did this get here?" lol

[@geoffwilliams4478]

Naughty... naughty!😈

[@ynakoliai5146]

@@geoffwilliams4478 garak is low-key hot, if you forget he was a space ss

[@annehaight9963]

@@ynakoliai5146 Forget low-key. Garak's hot.

[@sarahkinsey5434]

I love this episode! Even though he hates being typecast, I've got to hand it to Andrew J. Robinson, he is sooo good at playing the psychotic characters! It was good to see Garak being genuine for once at the end of the episode when he felt guilty of what he had done.

[@kuribayashi84]

Hey look, mate, I'm an Engineer. Which means, I solve problems...

[@sarahkinsey5434]

Is that a Monty Python reference?

[@RIDDICK0911]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX_Kf3WpeK5ne6M

[@emizerri]

It's a reference to TF2, PC game

[@battlesheep2552]

When some mother hubbard is looking to tear you a structurally superfluous new behind, you get a phaser. And if that don’t work, use more phaser

[@nathanielhellerstein5871]

... problems like you.

[@InsaneMentalist]

O'Brien is actually pretty good in a straight up fight, when he gets into soldier mode. He tries to never go back to being a soldier though. In the Dominion War, the few times we see him in personal combat, he does quite well, even against the genetic supersoldiers that are the Jem'Hadar

[@redengineer4380]

"I'm not going to shoot an unarmed man!" *Literally pointing gun at, and threatening to shoot, an unarmed man*

[@DCdabest]

Problems like: "My friends have gone crazy and trying to kill each other. Solutions are required."

[@erikthomsen4768]

TF2 Engineer: "Hey look buddy, I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems, not problems like "What is beauty?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems, for instance: how am I going to stop some mean mother Hubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous be-hind? The answer, use a gun, and if that don't work... Use more gun. Take for instance this heavy caliber tripod mounted lil' old number designed by me, built by me, and you best hope... Not pointed at you."

[@scottythegreat1]

This was one of Garak's darker moments in the series. I sure like when he is talking to O'Brien through the communicator. Its as close to the Scorpio killer as you can get (Andrew Robinson played him in Dirty Harry, Im sure most people here know that).

[@sarahkinsey5434]

He sure does have a talent for psychotic characters despite, despite hating it

[@davidkay7389]

He also played the father Larry in HellRaiser too... and Jesus wept

[@IAmEvilTree]

The episode is Empok Nor, season 5 episode 24, Garak has been affected by a psychotropic drug that enhances Cardassian Xenophobia on an abandoned Cardassian station called Empok Nor.

[@lamaahruloma4270]

What kind of drug?

[@IAmEvilTree]

@@lamaahruloma4270 Basically a psychoactive.

[@lamaahruloma4270]

@@IAmEvilTree As someone working with people using psychoactive substances, I must say, it is really really wast term.

[@lamaahruloma4270]

@@IAmEvilTree what are the effects?

[@IAmEvilTree]

@@lamaahruloma4270 Considering this is an episode of Star Trek, whatever the plot demands. There's an article about it on the Star Trek wikia, Memory Alpha memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Psychotropic_drug

[@JcoolTheShipBuilder]

Lol even intoxicated Garak is the Sass King.

[@Phantim3dx]

Miles O'Brien is the descendant of MacGyver

[@gerryfogarty8274]

He is a direct descendant of 'Brian Boru' :)

[@theknave1915]

This is the fifth episode where Garak loses his shit.

[@MirrorDimly]

I know what you're thinking: "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself.

[@fjccommish]

But I planted a bomb.

[@SwordsmanRyan]

I think many don’t know Robinson played Scorpio in Dirty Harry.

[@drmayeda1930]

It's a phaser not a projectile weapon. It would be high double digits.

[@robdeskrd]

Little finger, I thought I killed you in the plane or was it the Stark girl cut your throat..... Either way you are quite dead why are you here? (Read it like Bane) 😆😅🤣

[@thecursor1]

While it isn't exactly John Wick, I have to admire the fight choreography here: Garek uses precision strikes and overwhelming force to get his opponent into the floor. Garek was probably terrifying back in his younger days.

[@literallyanangrymoose7717]

In his younger days?

[@eloryosnak4100]

It is Garak. I know its 2 yrs old but please for Christ's sake spell his name right

[@IAmEvilTree]

This is the mirror universe Garak we always wanted but never got.

[@TaliaIGhul]

***** Hey Elim! :)

[@MaryKnasinski]

Absolutely - and I think Andrew Robinson's professed lack of interest in the mirror Garak would have gone away if he could have played him this way. He sure seems to be enjoying himself, anyway.

[@vguyver2]

+Mary Knasinski he originally didn't want to do this episode. After doing that Psycho Killer in Dirty Harry, he started getting nothing but roles playing these kind of characters. Well, he had a damn talent regardless of typecasting. The script in this episode was subpar, but the actors deliver it here.

[@sarahkinsey5434]

Yeah Robinson felt that this episode was just him playing the Scorpio killer again. His career suffered because of how good he was in Dirty Harry, everyone wanted him to be the psychotic killer. I feel bad for Robinson because he is an amazing actor, but I have to hand it to him, he is fantastic at playing the psychotic characters!

[@katheli89]

I know people took this as O'Brien beats Garak, but can we talk about how Garak is actually high as a kite here? if he was in his right mind and not going off on a xenophobic rage with the need to gloat and provoke he could have taken them out easily, they wouldn't even have seen him coming. Garak uses his chatty persona as a shield, but the few times when he actually went after someone he did it FAST. So he's definitely not at his best in this episode and still scary as hell.

[@darthroden]

When he said, "You wouldn't happen to have another one would you?" and O'Brien pulls out the phaser, I half expected Garak to say, "My that's a big one."

[@Cyber_Elf_Elpizo]

Garak uses a hostage, O'Brien flinches! Garak uses punch, the attack misses O'brien uses punch, it's not very effective... Garak uses combo, it hits (7) times O'Brien uses last stand, critical hit! Garak fainted

[@viridisxiv766]

+Hudson Doty FINISH HIM!

[@armyofninjas9055]

*O'Brien uses Dusk Ball*

[@ThePathStrider]

Winning a fight by underhanded means. I think Garak has new appreciation for the Chief.

[@Nyarlathoteplol]

Garak was brain damaged by an experimental combat drug at the time, so outwitting him was easier than usual. But...he was still Garak.

[@TankClash]

hey look buddy, I'm an engineer...

[@teufeldritch]

"You fight well..for a engineer."

[@Libertariandude]

O'Brien is Pretty bad ass to get one up on Garak.

[@godofawesum223]

To be fair Garak was high as a kite here.

[@Splinterfan]

@@godofawesum223 He was basically Scorpio

[@mytwocentshere3943]

If only O'Brien had a switchblade hidden in his sock. (wink wink)

[@filiesillo]

I am an Engineer not an engi.. oh wait

[@youdoitillwatch]

You could fit a hand phaser in a pocket. This would be a good time to wear a uniform that has fraking pockets!

[@wrath2501]

O'Brian: Hey buddy. I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems.

[@davfree9732]

“I’m an engineer... but my main is wizard.”

[@viridisxiv766]

dammit garak im an engineer not a.....hang on..

[@lazyperfectionist1]

You've got to find it kind of odd that the Chief _opens_ the tricorder when he takes it out, instead of just laying it down.

[@supremeownage8995]

I always thought that was the whole point. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to remotely activate it. Garak missed a trick here.

[@jimtaylor294]

A Tricorder that's Made of Explodium!.

[@barrygeistwhite3474]

@@jimtaylor294 All Starfleet tech is made of Explodium - it's why you stay the fuck away from those consoles when the ship is under fire!

[@enginerdy]

@@barrygeistwhite3474 You've seen what happens when a vape explodes.. imagine what happens when something storing 100x the power fails!

[@keithklassen5320]

@@enginerdy I didn't think tricorders had vape capacity! The future truly is an amazing place.

[@michaelbuehler3897]

"Well, how did this get here."

[@Sil3nt]

Does he solve practical problems?

[@quinn7876]

For instance, how am I gonna stop some big mean mother hubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous new be-hind? The answer? Use a tricorder. And if that don't work, use more tricorder.

[@davecrupel2817]

@@quinn7876 like this fancy antimatter powered multispectrum little ol' number designed by me, _built_ by me, and you best hope, not pointed at *you.*

[@silentmajority8518]

This is one of the best DS9 ep EVER!

[@256Justinian]

imo its the best one

[@sarahkinsey5434]

Andrew Robinson is soo good at playing the psychotic killers, even though he hates it

[@hithere8753]

O'Brian went home to be a family man but still managed to kick people's asses.

[@sayakdaskaizer]

Just think Garak initiates a foreplay before sex. "Naughty...Naughty."

[@pamelaedgar4754]

sayak das to Bashir 😂😭😂😭

[@mortman200]

O'Brien is a former Starfleet Trooper during the Border Wars with Cardassia. He's got a few tricks up his sleeve to deal with them.

[@AlphaJman]

Scotty would be proud. ;-;

[@SheldonAdama17]

Scotty would have been proud of O’Brien’s jury-rigging

[@Croach61]

A good warrior engineer doesn’t need to resort to hand to hand combat. He creates the win. O’Brien is my hero

[@JcoolTheShipBuilder]

This is why you don’t give Cardassians crack

[@krisv8407]

This is why I wanted to become an engineer

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

O'Brien is extremely craft.that's obviously why he is a chief.

[@makara4615]

"I'm an engineer, not a soldier!"

[@MedalionDS9]

O'Brien is Batman

[@Elite20001]

what I never get is a Ferengi have really sensitive hearing how come when the loud sound happens it doesn't burst they're hearing.

[@fatman123526]

I would assume an evolutionary adaption that protects their ears during overly loud noises.

[@wierdalien1]

cats!

[@johnallardyce4164]

*their

[@sethobannion3149]

It could be that Ferengi hearing can handle a very wide dynamic range (look at how big their ears are, after all). Nog was listening to Klingon Operas for Worf at 80 dB (about as loud as a garbage disposal) while still feeling comfortable, so it seems they handle loud noises at least as well as humans, if not better.

[@sarahkinsey5434]

Maybe they have an evolutionary thing where something in their ear canal closes when a sound gets too loud

[@kevlonk]

O'Brien solves practical problems.

[@bobpage6597]

Garak completely whooped the Chief's ass in one on one combat. If Miles hadn't used his Engineering cunning to rig the bomb, he'd have been toast!

[@bobojo37]

The Chief is why I play an Engineer in STO

[@ghenulo]

Good episode. DS9 really reached its apex at the end of the 5th season and the beginning of the sixth.

[@davidhenderson3400]

So O'Brien's tricorder is a Samsung Galaxy Note 7

[@jimtaylor294]

That; or those batteries on the Boeing Dreamliner XD.

[@techracer2003]

Engineer: 1, Soldier: 0

[@wil1234111]

spy*

[@darkclawgreatonenas]

@@wil1234111 oh, is the Engineer hacking again?

[@CardboardSliver]

Garak learned a lesson that day. Never challenge and Irishman to a fist fight.

[@mrchow489]

Or a drinking contest

[@davemiller6055]

More like never challenge an engineer to a fistfight.

[@youtert]

The IRA send their regards.

[@Baathist_Brawler_1565]

True, or theyll set up car bo-I mean spaceship bombs.

[@ryancourt8065]

Imagine if they played the "Amok Time" theme music from TOS instead...

[@randypanthegoatboy7114]

2:07: Yeeeaaahhh!

[@rickypoon6406]

"I am Chief O'Brien. I am alive, and I"d like very much to stay that way!"

[@laurenjcoates]

:15 even under mind altering drugs, Garak is still a troll

[@JeshuaMorbus]

"I'm an engineer, and that means i solve problems".

[@DEP717]

I loved this scene, so true. Engineers in combat can do some serious stuff. He couldn't outfight the guy with fists, so he outwitted him. Considering who he outwitted, that's pretty massive.

[@youtert]

STEM master race

[@rickyplaysbyear7663]

Garak: I won't shoot an unarmed man. Also Garak: I'll shoot in the back because it's the safest way!

[@boscovilante4068]

Garak was in sportsman mode in this episode.

[@Thalanox]

Credit where it's due, I was nicely surprised at the bomb trigger in this scene.

[@ObsidianBehemoth]

Miles Edward O'Brien: The man who slew a Pah'wraith. Is it any wonder he chewed up and spit out that drugged up Cadassian?

[@ravenstar5376]

That’s what you get for f🎶Ing with SMILEY OBRIEN 🥃🧐

[@hagamapama]

My personal headcanon is that O'Brien is a Section 31 agent. That makes this scene spy vs spy.

[@tigersebel]

+hagamapama I dont think a Section 31 agent would help julien bashir to capture another Section 31 agent (sloan) to get the cure from Section 31.

[@hagamapama]

I think that sequence was part of Section 31's exit strategy to prevent their virus from becoming guaranteed genocide. They did the sacrificial Sloan gambit once before in Inter Arma Enim Silent Legis, and they pulled it again to get the cure to Odo because Odo proved he could be trusted Even section 31 is made up of Federation citizens after all. If you watch the capture sloan scene, nearly every point along the chain of events is O'brien's idea. He's carefully stage managing events to force Bashir to come away with the cure and only the cure. The best part is that because Bashir trusts O'brien like he didn't trust Admiral Ross, he isn't even susipicious that he s being played, so he gets to be the victim of the same gambit twice i particularly love how O'Brien is able to keep up with Bashir's "vastly superior" genetically engineered mind, in a realm of the mind, during the scene when they're in Sloan's head. there is definitely more to Miles O'Brien than meets the eye.

[@tigersebel]

+hagamapama I dont think so honestly. But i accepted that this is your personally headcanon.

[@hagamapama]

Yeah I'm not really expecting anyone else to climb on board. It's just a theory I'm running with because I think it's interesting, and it could be plausible.

[@turbopokey]

Well he did go undercover in the mob(orions?) for that one episode.

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

Shat: Two-Handed strike perfected by Cpt. James T. Kirk. Usually called "A Shat to the Back" as it's most common use is to finish off an opponent after doubling them over. If it doesn't work, you're not doing it right.

[@dongadson1099]

"More security!"

[@MrStephenRGilman]

I kept waiting for O'Brien to throw a classic double-fisted Kirk punch.

[@DukeSplit]

tinker(er) v Tailor, Soldier v spy

[@AiR1890]

Little fact Bryan Fuller wrote this episode. Bryan Fuller is currently the show runner for the upcoming Star Trek series, Star Trek: Discovery.

[@jurigagarin3966]

Not anymore :(

[@fjccommish]

Star Trek: Liberal Diversity

[@Captain11890]

explains the shitty writing of the episodes then

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@fjccommish Yep, Star Trek's always been that way. Your point?

[@logicplague2077]

@@michaelgreenwood3413 liberal values used to make sense, now I honestly don't know what they are but the other extreme. example: I thought we were supposed to me moving toward a colorblind society that treated everyone as equals, is that what you see from so called "progressives" now?

[@Yuurei21]

1:20 the Soldier versus the Assassin.

[@Spacegoat92]

Garak fights well. For a tailor...

[@pendragonshall]

Is hollywood EVER going to figure out how to do a double hand hit? @1:35 🤣

[@TaraZaraChara]

Garak was somewhat terrifying in this episode

[@trier4952]

OH..thanks.

[@Marinealver]

Engineers use C4 to lay traps for enemy soldiers. Just like Battlefield.

[@stevieboymkii]

Garak is on drugs.

[@CaptainBardiel]

@@stevieboymkii Any questions?

[@KristerAndersson-nc8zo]

I wonder how Garak would fare against Karl Hamilton or James Bond?

[@sarahkinsey5434]

Or the Scorpio Killer...;)

[@thebighurt2495]

Bond would get sniped through his Hotel room window.

[@asiaoharasbutterflies9425]

I wish they utilised Nog’s hearing more to gain the upper hand but then the episode would last 15 minutes ..

[@slighter]

Who's that guy standing in the background so awkwardly at 2:36?

[@Martionize]

One of the dead people Garek hung up.

[@forceworksAO]

Go O'brien.

[@MisterPuck]

I’ll never quite understand the fighting styles of the 24th(?) century.

[@seansnyder2855]

Everyone here trying to cope with Miles getting beat up by Garak. Garak is the James Bond of Caradassia while Miles is a middle aged mechanic who fought in the previous generation's war. Miles is in terrible PHYSICAL condition, I bet he could throw a mean punch but the odds of him landing it on GARAK are laughable.

[@infinightsky]

Send garak to fight Isis!

[@davemiller6055]

So in the future they fight with some kind of housecat kung fu stance? Holding your hands like that doesn't help you. Of course the famous Star Trek palm strike and double handed punch don't either.

[@odgreen9113]

I always liked the Roy Rogers move in star trek

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

I need context - what happened here to Garak and Obrien and Nog??

[@jakepullman4914]

All that rolling around, he could have easily just picked up one of the dropped phasers, but I guess that's not an "engineer" solution.

[@techracer2003]

Engineer 1, Solider 0

[@silvertemplar8061]

Why where they fighting again?

[@lucky1206]

Is you skip to 2:41 then you can see two legs but no body standing in the shadows

[@trier4952]

I've never seen this episode...why were they fighting?

[@KRJ893]

I hope you found out

[@trier4952]

@@KRJ893 yeah I did

[@springbloom5940]

Im not sure what he did, here? I mean, it looked like the PHASER exploded, but I recall a detonating hand PHASER rocking the ship, on Star Trek.

[@floydlooney6837]

Maybe set to stun, lol. Probably a controlled explosion through the tricorder

[@logicplague2077]

Whatever it was, it wasn't the typical overload we've seen phasers do in the past because it also required the tricorder.

[@springbloom5940]

@@logicplague2077 Well, I assume the tricorder was used to trigger it. But, for an overload, thats really fast and the amount of power in that thing, would probably take out multiple decks of a ship.

[@logicplague2077]

@@springbloom5940 Agreed, that's also something I hadn't thought about, that was really fast for an overload.

[@Christopher_Irons]

Does nor mean station

[@gembommo]

Did anyone noticed 2:35 -> 2:42 there are two legs shown right in front of O'brien

[@GooglyEyedJoe]

All the Starfleet officers of the Chief's team were "hung up" in positions by Garak to taunt O'Brien as if they were "watching him" so they're not cameramen.

[@bmaiceman]

Ok what's going on??? Why is Garek and O'Brien fighting??? I'm only up to season 3 on DS9... So I'm lost hear

[@reason4being]

Have patience and wait till you get to the episode

[@OG_Jin_Bling]

O'Brien would've fought better if he had a couple of shots first.

[@Generalscorpio]

Why didn't Starfleet ever consider permanent occupation of Empok Nor?

[@literallyanangrymoose7717]

I suspect Empok Nor was not a priority.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Wasn't in a strategic or trade route. No reason to put anyone there.

[@thebuckrogers22]

i like this ep cuz it reminded me of a halloween ep. what i dont like about it, is it feels under developed. they never explained why the psychotropic drug was created and how it was spread. it was never explained why the cardashians werent just killed instead of allowed to live. also obrien acted rather hateful in this ep. like, instead of trying to stun garak, he just straight up tried to kill him. which obrien has shown hate and racism to other species in the past.

[@IRMentat]

Spend years in the trenches fighting trained soldiers and you tend to not pull your punches when people are out to kill you. The bio weapon was indeed poorly explained.

[@DelcoRanz93]

O'Brien is a veteran of the Cardassian Border Wars. Up until the battle of Setlik III he never killed anyone, never even swatting a mosquito as he grew up. During part of the Setlik III battle, he was holed up with a few survivors, a Cardassian found them and one of the survivors threw O'Brien a phaser, what he didn't know was it was set to maximum and in an attempt to defend himself and the survivors he ended up vaporizing the invading Cardassian right then and there, this incident would haunt him for the rest of his life. Recounting the story in 2367 (TNG's 4th Season episode "The Wounded") he would end it by saying to a visiting Cardassian Glinn "It's not you I hate Cardassian, I hate what I became because of you."

[@turbopokey]

I'm not really buying the exploding phaser part. It should've destroyed the entire section and opened the outer hull, but it just popped like a firecracker. I'd have believed if his commbadge triggered the phaser to wide angle spray the entire area. I guess he could've pulled the power cell and rigged something less damaging...

[@Taospark]

I think RDM even admitted during the TNG days that they could never have a realistic phaser fight because even a basic hand phaser is able to vaporize a building from miles away.