Aquion Energy Salt Water Batteries

[@JohnSmith-rn3vl]

This is an excellent demonstration. I wish more companies would do technical demonstrations of their products like this.

[@jesscast5122]

Yeah, the only thing they don't demonstrate is their PRICES!!! LOL

[@chayheramirez8471]

I agree but at least they could have found a chick that was hot and not this 1970s librarian lol

[@axonis2306]

Ramirez I think she's fine as she is

[@jaywarrenclark6263]

John Smith: Too fast, no price comparisons, and why can’t these S@Bs just tell us how many we need for our 100, 200, 300, or 400 watt panel systems for our cabins? They better get with the spirit of what is going on! Sure milk the big companies and rich S@Bs while they can but when the lights go out so will those at the banks so they better not forget the little guys and the Preppers! We don’t need to know about some rich S@B who can fill a warehouse with batteries! How hard would it be to state how many of these are needed to run my 100 watt (etc.) System?! How much CARE would it take? Jesus!

[@grandmarquis_86]

Me 2

[@theodorebowers9737]

Wow this woman did an excellent job she narrated very very well she didn't seem like a jerk and she actually seemed like she knew what she was talking about for a change well-done lady

[@sigvar6795]

Interesting mix of comments. Nice to see you will be getting back to it. I love this technology and I hope to see it cropping up all over the place!

[@marsflee3815]

Coming up with the battery is nice, but the price is the problem. How much more than the lead/acid battery. (Toxic) When all these inventors start selling the "safe" batteries at a price lower than the toxic inventions is when people are really serious about the environment. Right now is all about money.

[@AltEStore]

If you look at the cost per kWh per cycle, the Aquion batteries cost less over their lifetime than lead acid batteries. This is a new technology, and as with most technology, as volume increases and manufacturing costs go down, so will the price of the batteries. It is expensive to develop a whole new product.

[@tubeyouxer]

+altE - costs less over what period of time (aprox) ? Please, don't answer ambiguously. Thanks.

[@AltEStore]

I believe we compared with 10 years for the Aquions. You can see a chart comparing multiple battery types about halfway down this page. www.altestore.com/store/solar-power-systems/off-grid-home-solar-power-systems/off-grid-4kw-residential-solar-power-system-p40464/

[@AltEStore]

Sorry for the delay, I missed your question. The chart where we show the comparison of lead acid vs salt water, www.altestore.com/store/solar-power-systems/off-grid-home-solar-power-systems/off-grid-4kw-residential-solar-power-system-base-kit-p40464/ , uses the number of cycles at max depth of discharge. So for Aquion 3750 cycles at 80% DoD (/365 days = just over 10 years), and lead acid 1600 cycles at 50% DoD (/365 days = 4.4 years. If you size your lead acid battery bank bigger so you are not cycling 50% daily (we highly recommend you don't do 50% DoD), the number of cycles goes up, but so does the cost, so the cost comparison is still valid.

[@Dracolith1]

@645 7425 I think the Aquions turn out to be expensive.... looking at my application not just in terms of purchase price, but the Amperage limitations with the batteries.... consider a 10 kW intermittent load requiring 20 kWh of storage. I think with the 676 W per stack restriction, this requires a minimum of 15 stacks. Lithium-Ion based solution could do this with a fraction of the number of required batteries, and thus lower cost.

[@AltEStore]

Aquion Energy has improved their warranty to 8 years (5 years full replacement and 3 years pro-rated). That's very impressive for a battery.

[@sunnyjack3486]

Dear Amy... i like your enthusiasm when u make these videos...you are a good person and great at heart.... i m happy to see the positive energy you have towards life...hope all good come towards you.... Cheers !

[@nickyvanveen3709]

Why does nobody see that this is what humanity needs right now?

[@andremartel828]

If you use a super capacitor batteries in parallel with your system. It will help with the surges and the spikes. At the same time you get a rapid recovery since only the Super Cars are drained.

[@Blitznstitch2]

Ambri and this company give me hope for the future where our day to day living doesn't destroy the environment

[@solarpowerondemand3255]

I am continually so impressed with everything the alt E store has to offer!

[@ek9772]

If you have motors or compressors you do not necessarily need a bigger battery bank if you combine it with a balanced capacitor bank.

[@xxwookey]

Very nicely done. Clear, straightforward, detailed, accurate, and with a worked example. Pity that's such a rarity!

[@bsrk2909]

Actually I like this technology, unfortunately this company went bankrupt in USA. In my view, the best off-grid living solution is Tesla solar roof + Semtive wind turbine + Aquion salt waster battery. Basically turning every house into a small mini grid, and that is how we can save the planet.

[@Trefuckor963]

This companies back in business, they went out of business for lack of funding and laid off 80% of their workers there’s a new owner

[@AgnesCongdon-xk8hr]

It costs energy to manufacture, install and maintain the equipment.

[@AgnesCongdon-xk8hr]

​@@Trefuckor963 where can we buy a pallet full of Aquion Energy Salt Water Batteries?

[@petevenuti7355]

How does this work? Like if I wanted to test out something like this at home and build it myself. Obviously to power my house economies of scale would be better off buying it. I just like to play around in the different chemistries.

[@LordGryllwotth]

I think a hybrid system with lead acid batteries could make the system better. Could limit the current draw from the salt batteries, and take the needed from the lead acid. For lead acid it could limit the daily discharge percentage to optimal 80%. Maybe a charge controller could take power from the salt batteries at night for keeping the lead acid batteries over 80%. Would be cool to see a hybrid system designed!!

[@LordGryllwotth]

Could replace the lead acid to lithium batteries. But even they don't like high current draw.

[@AltEStore]

+LordGryllwotth I have heard of people saying they were going to try just that, but don't know if they have or how it worked. I'll look around to see if I can find more details.

[@AltEStore]

+Paul Mathews The stack is eight 6V cells wired in series with the H4 connectors. It is not supported by Aquion, but it may be physically possible to rewire them. Most charge controllers should work with the Aquion batteries. The manual lists the recommended settings for some of the most popular charge controllers. In general, the capacity for the battery bank would be the same regardless of how you wire them. 48V x 52Ah x 1 string = 2496Wh and 12V x 52Ah x 4 strings = 2496Wh.

[@72fr250]

+altE 48V x 52 Ah x 1 string = 2496 Wh. 2496 Wh/ 12V = 208 Ah at 52Ah per string. The pack is still limited to 677 watts of discharge power regardless of how you configure it, but the charge controller and inverter would at least be cheaper for a 12 volt system.

[@72fr250]

+Paul Mathews All of those things you listed should have a sticker on them that tells you how many volts/amps they consume. Multiply the amps times the volts for each item to get how many watts it consumes. Add up all the numbers and see if it is less than the 677 watts they recommend for this battery; if it is, then one battery pack would work for you after you rearrange it to 12 volts.

[@lorilange8654]

I just subbed this is amazing thank you for coming on the scene with such a needed type of non toxic batteries..I was searching how to make them myself but these are already in production !! Fantastic!!!✨

[@ajcongdon1772]

Lori, we will be starting production, again. They are not available as we purchased the company in 2017 and had to let the Federal Government and courts take their turns in line ahead of people and commercial business.

[@WAZZAWAYNE1234]

very well explained video, hope your company continues to grow in the solar age

[@AltEStore]

I wanted to clarify a question we just got from a viewer. The Aquion batteries can get charged just like any other 48V battery bank. You can use solar panels with a charge controller, an inverter/charger connected to the grid or a generator, a 48V wind or micro-hydro turbine, any way you charge a 48V lead acid battery can be used to charge the Aquion batteries. Just keep an eye on the charging rate, don't exceed 11.4A per stack.

[@Rosigee]

Sounds good, but the Energy density looks a little week. Or in other words, the Batterie looks really big...

[@blazeboymilan]

I've been keeping my eyes on this salt battery for years. Although its bulky, but its performance exceed Lead Acid in almost every way. - Deepest DoD compare to other battery tech - Last very f**king long (longest among others > 20 years) - Very low self discharge (you can plug it and forget if not utilize) - No complex and expensive BMS (they just self balance as Amy said) - Non-explosive electrolytes, but acidic in nature. - Non-flammable Just need a little secured shack to store the battery coz it acidic electrolyte , that's a minor downside i would say compare to explosive nature of Li-ion series. (Google for "ZBM salt flow battery" if you are interested more)

[@orishaphotos481]

altE why does it even need to be charged? That defeats the whole purpose of using free salt water lol

[@melgibson6331]

ORISHA PHOTOS ....but then if you are not by the sea you would have to buy salt and mix it and then when depleted dump the saltwater or distill and recapture the salt...or keep it charged with solar....both have cons....

[@DsmB2007]

This is great!!! Hoping to get a full solar array soon and will definitely add one of these to the system! Thanks for the video!

[@waynegilchrist1596]

Two important stats left off in the presentation are what's the weight of each unit and price per unit

[@davidbagley1783]

Expensive

[@lorilange8654]

Wow that's AWESOME environmentally safe too that's sweet!!!✨✨✨✨

[@engmahmoudsamy6970]

Thank you Amy Beaudet

[@Mico605]

I have never seen a more informative ad from a company that just explained to everyone why not to buy their product. It freezes in winter, it requires multiple "stacks" for "regular" usage, its way too bulky, and you can only use 1/3 of your entire battery capacity.

[@AltEStore]

We believe in showing the good and the bad of technologies. But to clarify, lead acid batteries also can freeze in the winter, so no difference there, it only needs to be oversized if you have high current loads like motors, and you got the usable energy backwards, it has a high depth of discharge ability, so you can use 80% of the stored energy.

[@JBHChannel1]

Here's the bright side... Powering the home (even in part) 'AT THE HOME' itself is long over due. There will be more companies like Aquion making better and more practical power products. Competition will drive down price and grow better product development as time marches forward.

[@tyrelgoldberg661]

Why won't they just sell the batteries to the utility company? Why are they trying to sell me things I don't understand? Why won't they just let the electricity company deal with this shit? I don't want panels on my roof nor batteries in my house. Just let the energy guys deal with this things. They are engineers, I am sure they know the best price to performance solution. I don't want you to sell me over priced crap. If they were so good, the business people would already have had their hands on it.

[@JBHChannel1]

The utility company is the monopoly and has all the power. Literally. However, you have a point. Most people don't want to know how the clock works, they just want to know what time it is. So, the correct way to look at your question is... "I wan't to greatly cut down on the money I give the power company (essentially over time) so, hook it up and when you have it working let me know."

[@dlwatib]

Tyrel, you obviously aren't interested in learning about batteries, so why did you click on this video in the first place?

[@melgibson6331]

dlwatib ....its a jew troll trying to cast negatives on tech that threatens the jew strangle hold on the energy sector. Jews in school get credits and tuition breaks to infiltrate and persuade others in american forums to unknowingly help in the creation of a jew world order.............

[@AltEStore]

Aquion was sold and we no longer have any connection with them. We left this video up for your information, we are no longer selling the batteries.

[@NawtieBoy96]

wowwwwwwww :)

[@theswamidevprem]

sad 🙄🙄 Now china does not need to copy or pirate they buy it outright and then the development is stalled(maybe)...

[@nobody46820]

What is the name, ph#, and email of this company?

[@bumstudios8817]

Noooooooo

[@rotaryenginepete]

@@theswamidevprem would have never happened if Aquion didn't go bankrupt in the first place

[@TelmoMonteiro]

Actually electrons (current) flows from negative to positive. During charge, the positive is the anode. The anode is the one who gives electrons. The cathode is the one who catches electrons. The negative electrode is negative because is full of electrons, and electrons represent intrinsically negative charge.

[@AltEStore]

+Telmo Monteiro Thanks, I was having trouble coming up with a simple explanation, nice job with that.

[@yllanojayvalido165]

Take your business here in the Philippines, you will have a greater chance of success! Please help us on our energy supply for the solar panels in here.

[@ekeretteekpo3004]

Thank you for the wonderful demonstration! It didn't seem like you compared the cost of these with a traditional lead acid battery. Also, I am wondering if a MPPT charge controller will work well with this battery, whether as a single stack or a bank.

[@skbskb7596]

the high range seems to be just 40 Centigrade, in Asia many countries have power shortage and have temperatures above 40 C , for almost half of the year. A better solution is very useful

[@zamrangill9663]

Dear AltE , please also compare with AGM and Gel Deep Cycle lead acid battery in performance and price wise.

[@thatonemothafacko]

Hello, I think you may be using C-rate incorrectly. I believe the c-rate is defined by the amount of time it takes to discharge/recharge the battery, and a 1-C rate means you complete this in one hour. A 2 C rate means you can finish this twice as fast, as in 30 min. a c/3 rate means your rate was 1/3 of a 1 hour c-rate, which is 3 hours. A 10 hour discharege cycle is a c/10 rate.

[@AltEStore]

+Your Mom Exactly. So a c/20 rate for a 100Ah battery is 100Ah/20 hours = 5A.

[@johncartwright4041]

I would have liked to see some Electrochemistry on this. It was mentioned in the Lead/Acid section but was totally absent from the Salt battery discussion.

[@josepeixoto3715]

Hmmm....all good and no *disadvantages* !! Where are they now?

[@worseto1]

This is the ultimate battery for DIYers cant wait till they come down in price a little.

[@ravanabrahmarakshas4263]

great presentation and lesson. i will copy this video and keep it, for when i want tomcalculate and design my batteries i watch again.

[@Walk_Partners]

Pretty upfront and honest. I liked it.

[@silenttitan7636]

It seems you would need just a few more batteries so what is the price of each battery in comparison to a lithium ion sulfate battery?

[@matthewbrooker]

Great technical description on what is obviously a brilliant storage solution. Two minor points on the video itself - 1) the sound engineer needs shooting. 2) The product video is very technical and is obviously still at the early adopter stage. You are going to struggle to get a large increase in sales in the mass market if all your marketing is this much of a science lessons rather than a top level sales pitch. All standard for a company poised to go forward into the big time, but using embedded marketing talent rather than the best of what is out there. All this said, best of luck for Aquion's future.

[@AltEStore]

Thanks for your feedback. These videos are not done by Aquion, they are done by us at the altE Store to give people a deeper dive into the technical side of solar technology and its related products. We do also invite technical people from the manufacturers to come in and record interviews with us as well, but most of the videos are done just by us in our little studio, or outside in our parking lot for real life demos. Unfortunately, if we shot the sound engineer, we'd also be shooting the engineering technician, writer, camera crew, actor, and video editor.

[@StevenHuangCA]

You're hilarious! And despite what the other poster said, I loved your technical style (the content isn't THAT technical anyways) and I feel that more companies should follow this style of reporting and not try to cater to the lowest denominator--the educational aspects of these videos are awesome and you should keep at it!

[@AltEStore]

Thanks Steven. Please let us know if you have any requests for new videos, we're always looking for new ideas.

[@drsolar]

They are out of bankruptcy. But they are saying they would not support products that are already in the market. They will not honor warranties and the architecture of the new offering will be different from the legacy product. Any opinions or thoughts?

[@farida7777777]

Great Tech. The key is power management. Relays and timers will help a lot. Great work.

[@peterxyz3541]

I can't wait for someone to DIY this 100yr old salt water tech.

[@edlingja1]

I just found you. I would be highly interested in installing these in Canada. I hope people start to see the advantages of using these types of batteries soon. I can see some really promising geothermal Stirling engine applications.

[@timothygodfrey4950]

frozen salt water batteries-Eh!

[@aguynamedscott11]

I wish these batteries were still available.

[@gregwest6032]

Absolutely fantastic video. Great presentation and very informative.

[@taunteratwill1787]

Greg West YES NOT BAD FOR A HIGH PRIZED LOW ENERGY BATTERY! lol.

[@Alrukitaf]

Good luck aquion. Tough world out there, but I think this one’ll emerge a winner! Salt water as electrolyte. Manganese dioxide. Cotton. Voila. Sounds almost too good to be true. I wanna get me some.

[@RakanKongsiBuragas]

I like this technology for home and camping..please deliver these batteries to the east...

[@Martins2012]

Please, keep developing. Energy storage is the future.

[@tyrelgoldberg661]

They just filed for bankruptcy and fired their workers. Very promising indeed.

[@putheflamesou]

we can store energy in many ways. Water ice ground gravity air etc etc almost too many ways. ...which makes us want too many things. Storage in government also,,,,,which makes greedy people with too many dams.

[@57beanyboy]

You guys sold me a battery meter that only lasted a few months. You really ripped me off.

[@AltEStore]

Jon, we pride ourselves on selling and supporting good quality products, and making it right if something goes wrong. I don't see any record of you contacting us with any product issues, although it was many years ago. If you still have the bad meter, send us an email and we can see if it is possible to get it repaired.

[@57beanyboy]

Thank you for the reply, I will contact you by email and hopefully get a solution that suits us both.

[@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航]

Cool technology and well done presentation. I learned stuff.

[@nil981]

Where would get said "salt water" from? I mean...wouldnt the efficiency of the salt water battery depend on the water quality, and the ph levels of the water?

[@livangooday]

Powerwall capacities have changed over time. As of March 2016, there is only one Powerwall size remaining: the 6.4 kWh model, designed for daily use. It is priced at $3,000. So aquion energy cost about the same...

[@davidouellette6833]

HOW HEAVY ARE THEY

[@fissh29]

I've been told these batteries will not be good on a sailboat, because of the swishing around, even if they are full built-in and stationary...what does Aquion say? love the videos and your website thanks

[@AltEStore]

Aquion agrees, these are not a good solution for a sailboat. They are pretty big and heavy, and should not be tilted more than 15 degrees when transporting. Take a look at the lithium ferrous batteries we carry now. They may be a perfect fit for your boat, and can also be deeply discharged like the Aquions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJubZKaHlNB0r68 They are available in 12V, 24V, and 48V.

[@fissh29]

altE saw those in the video and on yous site...how many Lithium batteries would I need for a 48v system that uses 800 watt hrs a day...how many solar/ wind watts would I need?

[@AltEStore]

800Wh / 0.8 (80% depth of discharge) = 1000Wh (or 1kWh) per day without sun or wind. If it is going through an inverter, add another 10% for efficiency loss, depending on the inverter. So one of the 2.6kWh 48V batteries would last you for 2 or more days without recharging. www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-deep-cycle-batteries/simpliphi-power-smart-tech-lithium-batteries-p40602/#SIMPHI2.6-48V As for how much solar and wind, that can depend on where you are; how much wind and sun you get. The Primus AirBreeze turbine can produce about 700Wh a day in 10MPH wind, but much less in lighter breezes. 250W of solar could likely get you enough energy in a sunny environment. The two combined would likely get you through most weather conditions.

[@melgibson6331]

Dude ....all the info is available to make your boat part of the battery its sailing on and with some simple tools harness limetless elecrticty for your boat .... cut the sails and add electric motors.

[@williamsmith3847]

@@melgibson6331 Do you mind pointing out video or information where I might learn more about electricity from seawater?

[@keithfreeman5204]

I have it in mind, a device that would/could power a large house boat. The "batteries" would be in the salt water and would produce power. Two different metal plates with salt water flowing through, i.e. never ending electrolyte. PVC piping outer covering/housing, slung under the boat or built in to the pontoons.

[@trevorlambert4226]

Have you looked at the salt concentration of sea water and compared that to what is required in a battery? What about the variability of salt concentration? What about all the other things in the water? I don't think this is going to work.

[@Alrukitaf]

I’m amazed that this hasn’t taken off. We don’t have enough lithium in the world to use tesla batteries in the home. Concentrated salt water is in abundance in the sea. Maybe governments worldwide should look into this and invest. A word of caution: sometimes it’s a rip-off and some people fleece the public. Not saying in this case, but we cannot be certain until verified by several independent sources. It wouldn’t be the first time someone obtained money under false pretences.

[@ChrisDIYerOklahoma]

Someday... Nice explanation and overview of this technology.

[@guitron45]

As someone who had lived off grid since `83 I am all for cleaner energy. I still don't know enough about the aquion battery to decide if it is for me or not. But I do know that your website left me feeling like a consuming unit. There was no immediate way to get more info and forget about pricing but the egregious part for me is the use of fear and loathing to sell your product. Mistrust is my reaction when I see this kind of marketing. It's not even necessary as your product is no doubt cleaner than lead acid batteries. I have lived with lead acid batteries in my home we went off grid. Right now there are 12 Surette S 530s in the next room storing the energy from our modest 3Kw system. I even blew a few Trojans up once while leaning over the the four battery bank we had at the time. I got the evil sulphuric on my face and a small amount in one eye. I washed it off. End of horror.... the explosion blew the tops out of several of them. I put them back together and continued using them. That explosion was very loud indeed. I've never heard of anyone puncturing a battery but it's possible and it would be messy. That's all it would be unless the room had a lot of hydrogen in it as our little batt. room did. Businesses who use fear and loathing marketing come of as desperate people. You marketing department [ that word is just about a four letter word in my book because of all the misguiding obfuscating and outrite lies broadcast by them ]... Apologies for the poor sentence structure, anyway.... they could make a great case for choosing your product with out the F and L stuff. Ron

[@AltEStore]

Thanks for your feedback, but I'm not sure if you are talking about us, altE Store, or Aquion, the maker of the battery. You can get the datasheets, manuals, pricing, and a shipping quote from our site, www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteries-c1260/ . We still sell lead acid batteries, and have sold them since 1999, and are still big supporters of lead acid. But we also sell some of the newer technologies, like nickel iron and salt water batteries. We do our best to accurately portray the pros and cons of all types. You can see a comparison we did between different battery technologies about halfway down this page (we made the chart after the video, which is why it wasn't included), www.altestore.com/store/solar-power-systems/off-grid-home-solar-power-systems/off-grid-4kw-residential-solar-power-system-p40464/. You may also see we have a playlist on KZbin of videos with several battery manufacturers , including MK Battery, Trojan, and Outback Power, all lead acid. kzbin.info/aero/PLoHd6hGDqS05-76Z1ej_T3N1lHefQHSq9

[@josepeixoto3384]

Very curious to know, how long did they last you, those 6 volt units; thanks

[@atapavl]

Where can those batteries be bought?

[@informing_]

Great video, but just to note a small mistake - the electron flow is from negative to positive and not the opposite, right?

[@kirangrewal7716]

Electrons flow from -ve to +ve but for historical reasons we still say the current flows +ve to -ve.

[@EvenStarLoveAnanda]

So what about combining several stacks of Aquions with several banks of Led Acid batteries. This will enhance the load carrying capacity at high loads for short periods, like running the microwave or the dishwasher. So you will need less of the Aquions and less of the LA batteries. This will save you some money.

[@davidbagley1783]

I dont see the price on your catalog..or even see the product

[@santohalim1355]

Whats about the recycle can I just replace the saltwater inside when the lifetime end?

[@geofferyromany4634]

If there are improvements in 2022 it would be nice

[@5qwert7]

Such an informative video. Keep it up :)

[@movax20h]

3900 cycles at 80% DoD is pretty good and very competitive with LiFePO4, I wish there was more info on these cells. To what initial capacity are the cycle life measurements taken?

[@PhysicsViolator]

Their price make will make your wallet grow legs and run like a psycho who sniffed 10 kilos of cocaine .

[@venumadhavtammala6708]

I have a question is salt eater batters are mantance battery or maintance free battery's

[@j5892000]

How is that saltwater batter working out now?

[@skbskb7596]

Excellent. what happens to battery when temperature is between 40 to 50 centigrade?, In India, all summers are 40C+ day temperatures, do we need to cool the battery with Ice :)

[@TheDohboy7778]

Question, is an anode + and cathode -? are these different or was this a typo or am I wrong?. thanks an like your videos.

[@lvtbus3167]

I just saw that too and second that! I am sure they are wrong. + is Anode and - is cathode and the flow is from Neg to pos. How trustworthy can a company be if they get the basics wrong, unless they created something different here.

[@vink6163]

I was thinking the same thing, but after looking it up, the anode and cathode can vary. The anode is negative in a device that provides power, and positive in a device that consumes power. So that's why they are swapped in a battery. It seems that the anode is where conventional current flows into the device, i.e. in through anode (positive) and out through negative for most devices, but for a battery the conventional current flows out the positive terminal and returns into the battery through the anode (negative) terminal.

[@kricketjoy]

Thank you for releasing this informative video. I wonder why the price is so high if the materials are really so common. Maybe digging out of research costs? We will be building an off grid home in a year or so, and I'm researching options. I absolutely love this idea, but just wonder if the price will always be so high. It seems like it should be lower than other types of batteries, but I'm ignorant on the subject. Maybe someone can elaborate.

[@AltEStore]

Most new technologies tend to be a bit more expensive in the beginning. Hopefully as volume grows and techniques advance, the pricing can start coming down. But do remember, since these batteries last so much longer than lead acid batteries, over the life of the system, even now they cost less than lead.

[@eternitynaut]

Nickle Iron sounds better, though I assume it's more expensive. What's the price /kWh?

[@AltEStore]

+kalimul You can see the prices for nickle iron here. www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/batteries-nickel-iron-technology-c1269/ I'll be doing a video on them soon.

[@ShowemRight]

Not for nothing, New and improved batteries are awesome...BUT.... we need to get into the development of devices that draw less energy to do the same work...for example...LEDS, particularly the small LED lamps you'll find on Amazon.com. I like them because all I do is plug them in using a USB cord, and the source of power is a 10500 mAh /37.1 Wh battery pack, that i use mostly for my cellphones and tablets.

[@DeepakJindal07]

just a correction or input. elect. flow from - to +

_Current_ flows + to -

[@jochendemnitz3149]

Hi.my aquion batteries are now very weak.Can they be reconditioned?

[@Resologist]

Thanks for the link to your store, where a price is provided. Couldn't find that at Sentinel Solar, in Canada; and, there's been no response to my request for a price of these batteries in Canada.

[@AltEStore]

Sorry, we must have dropped the ball on that request. Can you submit a request here, and we'll make sure someone gets right to you, www.altestore.com/store/info/email-us/

[@Resologist]

It took a couple of days for a local dealer, (30 minutes drive North of Kingston, Ontario), to contact me. The price quoted from the Canadian dealer was CAN$1946.00, (before taxes and shipping). At the present exchange rates, that's about US$1600. Thus, the Canadian price is a third more than yours of US$1195, (or US$200 more than the "List Price"). That, unfortunately, detracts from its being cost-effective to Canadian customers. I might as well drive to your altE store in Boxborough, Massachusetts, (about 7 hours driving time from Kingston), buy the unit from you, and pay the sales taxes to import it (myself) into Canada.

[@AltEStore]

You would not be the first Canadian to visit us, it's done all the time. It's a lovely drive. We can prepare the commercial invoice to help you get it through customs. We can also get you a shipping quote, you would still be responsible for the import fees.

[@cnotation]

If you could recharge these batteries/rejuvenate these batteries by soaking them in salt water, that's game changing. Electric yachts!

[@kankirihoronald2091]

Point of inquiry Can it still be trusted in spite of being sold to Chinese?

[@txcitizen6399]

Amazing!!!

[@davewallace5008]

I'm sold, when can you install them so I can finally get rid of my energy supplier ;)

[@rubengonzalez2473]

Pueden hablar de costo de esta bateria

[@keithhedman6698]

Hey this is nothing new, take a regular battery dump out the acid neutralize the acid with baking soda in a bucket. Then mix up a salt mixture with pickling salt varing concentration according to cranking amps and volume. Then add the salt fluid, charge for several hours and you have a new battery from an old galvanic lead acid cell. This can be done at least 5 times before the unit can then be recycled. Meaning just dump out the fluid and recycle the lead and plastic, and salt bridge.

[@GlobalTrader9]

Too much effort for most consumers

[@martiensstrydom9964]

Looking for more detail of the inturnal seaction of salt battry

[@mikejones-vd3fg]

woah a lead acid discharged to 0 still lasts 4.5 years? jeez im going to 0 with mine then, i dont plan to have these in 4 years so its good to know I can use their full capacity. I thought it was dangerouse, but it just shortens life, good to know I can use these until i upgrade to a safer chemistry and salt water looks to be it.

[@jaygraham4095]

Can the battery bank be laid on it's side to spread out weight distribution for mobile application? This looks great for a stationary application. I live in a RV completely off grid except for water.

[@AltEStore]

The battery cannot be tipped more than 15 degrees. Because it has low energy density, it's not a great option for mobile applications. It's big and heavy. Great for an off-grid house, not so much for boat or RV.

[@farida7777777]

Picture this, someone is ioning cloths (2000W) two stacks of 48v batteries. Papa goes and make tea at the same time (2000W) another 2x48v stacks. Now ouboet(big brother) warms his food in the microwave(2000w) 2 more 48v stacks. If this happens at night, house lights, tv, fridge etc, yet another stack. Summary 7 to 8 stacks(based on the battery current limit) to run a family home. Multiply it by the cost per stack. In the world of Engineering design, cost is important to be competitive. However, if you love the earth and you are willing to pay, go for it. God bless.

[@AltEStore]

Such is off-grid living, regardless of battery type. You must learn power management. Hopefully the teapot and the microwave are next to each other, so big brother waits two minutes for papa to finish making his tea before he warms up his food. Waiting 2 minutes saves you 2 stacks. The inverter may be a limiting factor as well as the batteries. Your math added up to about an 8kW inverter, which I'm betting most off grid systems do not have. There's a lot of give and take needed to live off-grid.

[@anthonystorey6980]

Great I have on sent this to 5 friends. You 48 volts I need 24 volts and 12 volts in a marine appreciation

[@terrancecoulombe3898]

Good presentation.

[@darwinsecrist8007]

Great show

[@kurtappley4550]

Soooo, what did the company you sold them to do with them???????????? I have a sneaking suspicion that a big company that didn't want these to go on the market have shelved them. Wouldn't be the first time.

[@drsatan9617]

You're exactly right. Brought out by a chinese shell company called Juline-Titans LLC The only thing I've been able to learn about them is that they brought aquion energy. Can't find literally anything else they've done

[@Jessi20236]

thanks

[@2000freefuel]

How do these compare to Nickle Iron batteries?

[@movax20h]

Can't buy them anymore. What were the prices for them?

[@EugenioGuarente]

Excellent.. very informative video.

[@lovemind8466]

This lady should be making al the money..😱 She is indeed Albert Einstein's great-great-granddaughter LOL... 🙌😄😉..Keep the teachings coming. Cause I'll never get this in any college course for free..😔

[@ThisTall]

So freezing once will effect capacity permanently?

[@gregcollins3404]

What I'm looking for is the game-changing Liquid Metal Battery developed by MIT professor Don Sadoway. Simple, low-cost, powerful, long-lasting, grid-scalable, and with prototypes undergoing beta testing in Hawaii.

[@AltEStore]

Exciting times ahead for energy storage!

[@masdlcsj]

LOL

[@randybaumery5090]

We shall see.

[@joandar1]

Just been to your web site and looked at Lithium Battery. I can not see where on the page where the Battery is advertised on the specs and so forth any mention of a warranty. $950 all but for one 12 volt, 100Ah battery and NO WARRANTY, come on please. John.

[@AltEStore]

I assume you are asking about the BattleBorn battery. You can see all of the Details on the product page, including the 3 year warranty. If you click on the Documents tab, you'll find the data sheet and install manual. www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-batteries/battle-born-lithium-iron-phosphate-lifepo4-batteries-p40844/#BBB100AH12VLFP

[@joandar1]

Thank you for your reply, after studying the page again I did finally find the fine print and is is small! Three years warranty is all that is offered even though the battery is expected in a typical use situation to last 13/15 years according one part of the page. It appears to me that $316 approximately per year make this a risky proposition as an investment, That is based on projected life and the lack of faith in the product being displayed by the makers/suppliers. I thank you for taking the time to address my inquiry, I will not be using Lithium as a backup with what I now know! John.

[@ianendangan7462]

Since you also sell small solar panels, it is logical to introduce a portable saltwater batteries (40aAh tops) to introduce the technology to the market. Here in the Philippines we have access to portable saltwater batteries with an led bulb and extra magnesium terminals.

[@er1073]

An interesting concept.

[@calvinsylveste8474]

Why does the more common saltwater & manganese cost more than lead acid or lithium? Lead acid battery costs $4.60 per amp hour @24v Lithium battery costs $6.20 per amp hour @24v Salt-water battery costs $11.98 per amp hour @24v

[@andrewfeazelle]

More than likely you're paying a premium for new technology that has no equivalent competitor.