Horus Heresy LEGIONES ASTARTES Army Guide - Every Unit in 20 Minutes!

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

I am *seriously* impressed that you managed to cover all of this in just over twenty minutes.

[@DeviantHematite]

As a newbie to Heresy, all of your recent content on the subject has been hugely helpful. I would definitely like to make a request that you make a video covering the legion specific units, and maybe cover what role they fill in their respective armies.

[@Inquisdrknss]

Ian out here doing the Emporer's Work

[@KiwiTheIguana]

When you get to the bit about all of the many, many flavors of Centurion I began hearing the music from Yakko listing off the countries of the world.

[@namefinder]

Reading through that big book I thought that was already a lot of units, didn't know there are even more datasheets to include baneblades and such!

[@wesbrown3831]

Another outstanding 👏 video that brings noobs and or non-players up to date on Warhammer. Your videos have been an absolute treasure. Thank you!

[@nicdowth873]

Love your videos! Always super helpful and informational 🤘🏻

[@mazubahtender]

I'm honestly tempted to grab the Age of Darkness set, and, when I have the money, some FW Word Bearer kits (specifically the Gal Vorbak and Mhara Gal), and run them in my 40k Word Bearers squad, as well as make a HH Word Bearers army. Also some of the characters would be great as Proxies. Like Zardu Layak would make a fantastic Master of Possessions, his Bodyguards could be additions to a squad of Possessed, the same way Greater Possessed are now, Erebus could be run as a Dark Apostle, and Kor Phaeron could be run as a Lord in Terminator armour. And, of course, Argel Tal would make an amazing Daemon Prince. Plus, if I use my 40k Word Bearers as HH Word Bearers, I don't think the mutations and corrupted armours would make my opponent too upset. They're Word Bearers after all.

[@SolvableMattB]

im doing the exact same thing, im running my 30k army as kinda the prequal to my 40k word bearers. so my daemon prince is still a praetor, my dark apostle is just a chaplin, and instead of cultists we use drop pods and run the Last of the Serrated Suns rite of war.

[@mazubahtender]

@@SolvableMattB Oh that sounds so cool!

[@peterixon8708]

Ian, excellent video, as always. Sadly, Aug 2023 and 32 of the 76 Legiones Estartes options for GW 'The Horus Heresy' are NOT available from GW's official home page here in Australia (and we can't buy them from UK shops, because that is blocked by legal prohibition by GW itself), so you can't purchase them. It's a lesson to anyone trying to come to the party late. But what is totally unreasonable is that, try and buy everything when it was available and you needed to find AUS $6,515 (that's UK 3,349 Pounds; or US $4,255). I love GW's product range; I hate their pricing and stock availability policies.

[@shadowteamdarklol]

This is EXACTLY what i've been after! now I just need a description of the different DA chapters and I'll be happy :D

[@TheTurbanatore]

Outstanding video! I would absolutely LOVE to see a video on all the Legion specific units

[@okonkwojones]

Id love to see a video about moritats. I get he’s agunnslinger, but as I understand i,t I know there’s lore regarding the Raven Guard using it effectively, and there’s precious little documentation on it, even in text based web resources.

[@briochepanda]

They're essentially fatalistic one man close quarters shooty lads. Gulliman decided to codify them as a unit because a similar kind of psychosis seemed to be strangely common among the legions as far as I remember.

[@livanbard]

Moritats weren't a rank, but a psychological tendency specially in the raven guard. A mix of the Lone Wolf and Death Company. They are Death Seekers essentially.

[@vitaliyred622]

@@briochepanda he has a whole chapter of destroyers 22th chapter.

[@christopherclayton5500]

The Raven Guard have a gene flaw called the Sable Brand. (Pre-Primarch XIXth Legion called the afflicted Ash Blind.) It shares some similarities to the Black Rage, except the afflicted Astartes will be completely silent. If you are familiar with how the Carcharodons fight, it's like that but with the self-preservation of a Kriegsman.

[@Moritat-XIX]

A stand out character was a Raven Guard called Kaedes Nex who was an "infamous murderer condemned to prison" known as Blood Crow to whom Corax offered a pardon if he agreed to fight alongside him. He then became a Moritat-Prime.

[@JRyanPull]

Great Job in getting it all together. Always love your thoughts on the Horus Heresy. It interesting that the Indomitus Terminator Armor is similar creation like the Heresy Armored. Armor Suits that were created to make a comprise with tech and material in a long war that may never end.

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

Can’t wait to finally get the legion specific FW units for my armies of the phoenician and the red angel…

[@SolvableMattB]

This was super useful, im very interested in playing 30k but found all the units a little too similar to actually tell the different. thank you so much for this video!

[@Jason-gq8fo]

my fav HH creator tbh, have helped so much as a noob. Hopefully most of this stuff becomes plastic at some point

[@tecguy1229]

I had been looking in the manual and in groups for this information and found none. Thank you sir! You have helped me greatly!

[@djinnglebells241]

Please please please do a video on all the legion-specific options!! Since those usually come with a story behind it, you could also add a sentence or two of their lore!

[@livanbard]

Plastic Jump packs can be found on the sanguinary guard kit. They turn up used all the time.

[@jonathanestrada-florian737]

Thank you! I just got started in 30k and have been struggling trying to find a starting point.

[@ImpsCorner]

Absolute amazing video, I grabbed the Age of Darkness box set the moment we could pre-order it and while ive been with the hobby and Warhammer for ages now i was def felt over my head with all the changes/naming conventions and whatnot in the new edition. this Video made so much clear sense of everything, this is now my GO TO video to share about the Heresy

[@StatsScott]

What a super useful/helpful video! And well-executed with tons of model images as well. Thanks!

[@PalaeoJoe87]

This is such a useful video Ian, I'll be coming back to it regularly for a refresher!

[@olivervollmer5950]

I only stumbled on your channel after I looked for Horus Heresy 2.0 videos and I‘m impressed and sad that I didn‘t find it earlier! Really great content and most important: very congenial way of narrating the contents! Keep on the great work 👍🏻

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Super helpful. I’m building some Breachers atm because they just look so resilient.

[@ReverendPONT]

This was extremely informative and I need to download these pdf's. I hope they bring back the Caestus Ram and transport Thunderhawk. I'd love to own these models.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

A plastic Caestus would be the dream.

[@ReverendPONT]

@@tinyfishhobby3138 yeah, if they can do the Sicaran or Spartan in Plastic then this one should be relatively easy to redo in plastic I think. Thunderhawk Transport would probably stay in resin due to size but I'd be cool with that just to get one.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

@@ReverendPONT Yup, the Caestus is effectively a couple of narrow shipping containers strapped to a giant set of engines. 😂 Probably not that complicated to model in plastic.

[@flatheadgg2443]

@@tinyfishhobby3138 you could technically build one by simply strapping two of the 40k space wolf flyers together.

[@alecazadi-hocking8381]

Please do something on the Dreadwing! I’m doing a Dark Angels Dreadwing unit for Horus Heresy and would love to hear about some of their lore! Great video as always!

[@josepholiveira2873]

I'd love a video with thoughts/advice on how to kitbash some of these models, especially the ones that are just a standard plastic unit with some extra bits or a special weapon. I can understand if you want to wait to see what the full load of plastic kits will be, though.

[@JC-jo9bf]

30k is so much better than 40k.

[@endlesswaffles6504]

2 years ago, I would have said you're crazy, but 9th got bloated and 10th is a disaster.

[@greendalf123]

@@endlesswaffles6504 you would have been wrong 2 years ago

[@rakino4418]

Not if you're a filthy xeno player

[@scritoph3368]

I’m so glad they managed to trim all the stupid alien stuff and give everyone what they crave, 18 boring marine armies

[@Gongolongo]

​@endlesswaffles6504 9th was awesome but lethality was too high. If they had 10th Ed toughness and lethality in 9th it would be the perfect modernized game for me. HH just lacks Xenos for me. I do miss 4th edition which is what I played as a child.

[@jimmysmith2249]

Fantastic. This has helped me decide what to do for a hh army.

[@gmbrightside]

Take a shot every time he says Legion

[@WilCornish]

I need to point this out here, because nobody seems to have seen it *anywhere* - the Xiphon has dropped a full hundred points since 1.0, is now 65 points less than the next flyer, and is much more effective. It's definitely a typo

[@therealorkdung]

Possibly. A lot of the squad units have dropped drastically too.

[@eater_of_garbage_]

Its still not a great pick.

[@darnokx9277]

Legion specific unit video - when?

[@chiselcheswick5673]

Best channel for Heresy related stuff. Brilliant.

[@lokalnyork]

I think Tarantulas turrets are put in FA, in case You want build static army but are short on Heavy Support and Elite slots. Same reason why FA in 40k is equally place for fast units... and dumping ground for inferior gun platforms/units. Fast Attack is perfect place for Your Spore Mines and Chaos Spawns (I would argue Primaris turret thingy also should go there)... Would You spend Elite or Heavy slot on them? Also, there is a chance that "borrowed" Imperial Guard tanks will not olny come in plastic, but will be available for 30k and 40k.

[@ironbomb6753]

This is the best video I've seen from you Arbitor Ian. And your other videos are awesome. Well done. I have both books and didn't get as excited reading them as I did watching this video. 👍

[@bl5752]

Thanks! I'd love to see one of these for 40k

[@danielhenderson8000]

A great video, helpful as a run down for those not able to sit down and read through everything. Would have loved to hear your thoughts on how you enjoy each unit or what tricks/roles they can do, but that would take this video to several hours long. lol I am slowly building up my Imperial Fists. So many options, even with outright ignoring certain styles it is WILD.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Awesome and very informative video. Keep up the good work.

[@DynamicEcho]

I'm seeing what appears to be a single frame from elsewhere in the video pop up at 1:58, not sure if that's intentional?

[@ArbitorIan]

Subliminal Ian! That's a mistake, but not a big enough one to re-render the video for!

[@jamesv.7041]

@@ArbitorIan Hahaha, here I am looking for some hidden gem!

[@66morningview]

@@ArbitorIan A hilarious mistake. Made me do a double take!

[@GeoffreyPeas]

Ian jumpscare 😂

[@ragnarokivae6136]

Really good video! A version with the legion specific units would be great!

[@NightfallTH]

01:58 that quick head interjection gave me mad Fight Club vibes :D

[@Btk4813]

I don't even play the tabletop UT this channel is slowly changing my mind

[@secondeditionwargaming]

A dazzling selection of units, but I think I followed it! Good stuff.

[@jack-a-lopium]

I wonder when the Tartaros Terminators will become available again? I mean, the sprues exist... the packaging exists... I assume they'd be part of the relaunch at some point. Finally managed to get hold of the Cataphractii sprues from a dealer on [generic internet auction site], but I expect those'll be separately available... eventually(?) again at some point, too.

[@raincoast_bear]

A very useful summary. Thanks Ian!

[@JonavicH]

I personally don't play the Warhammer tabletop games(I did play dark vengeance a tiny bit), I just like to paint the miniatures. But I do want to get the lore right when i'm painting them, I love the HH lore.

[@AdoringAdmirer]

You're a good man, Ian!

[@hayhay2640]

On the despoiler and assault squad i use deathcompany as they work great for them and are significantly cheaper. If your ok with or removing bloodangel iconography.

[@steweygrrr]

At 17:58 I think you made a minor mistake; you referred to the unit as a Legion Scorpius but I am given to understand that it's called a Legion Friendmaker because if you bring more than one launcher at S8 AP4/auto wounding at AP2 on a 4+ to hit roll if it doesn't move, uses a large blast and causes pinning from the inevitable Instant Death casualties then you'll probably need to start making new friends.

[@Xenaisthebusiness]

I mean 2 is just a cute 240 points. Build them a lil picket aegis defense line for posterity and make a couple cover saves rerolling blast wounds against them lol. Roll the 6 from salamanders it will not die for bonus points

[@eater_of_garbage_]

Its not *that* strong. Out of los makes it super inaccurate, and completely useless against any army that isn't legiones astartes. That said, 120 pts is WAY too cheap

[@steweygrrr]

@@eater_of_garbage_ I'll take "what is a nuncio vox for 500, Alex" for the scatter and it's even better against the mostly 4+ Solar Auxillia whose close order rule forces them into big easy to hit bricks and you don't need to rely on Rocket Barrage to get through their saves. _EVERYTHING_ should fear them when using the Ironfire RoW because that makes them 1d6" scatter before nuncio rerolls when shooting at targets within 12" of Iron Warriors infantry and it makes them S9 vs vehicles, dreads, automata and buildings. Fun for everyone!

[@eater_of_garbage_]

@@steweygrrr "If you pay at minimum 75 points above the cost of the unit, choose a specific ROW (one that is worse than HOO) and legion, it becomes good against an army that nobody plays" Also its a single template blast weapon, it'll never be better than lascannons against vehicles (even before the -2 S for flare shielded vehicles), dreadnoughts or automata. Also nobody has ever taken a building outside of being funny. Again. Its a good unit, but its not a be all, end all. It'll make its points back sure, and its great at killing t4 death stars. I 100% agree that its the best artillery option LA have in the libers. And if you're playing LA against auxilia, and need the upper hand with a scorpius, I don't know what to tell you other then maybe see a doctor about that tumour in your brain.

[@thekrispiestkreme5609]

This is so helpful since I’m starting HH

[@ArbitorIan]

Since I made this, a few things have been released in plastic, so it's not ALL resin now, but still should be useful!

[@thekrispiestkreme5609]

@@ArbitorIanoh yeah absolutely, the ‘where to find’ bit is such a welcome edition to things people need to start adding to videos, scouring all over the website looking for what unit is only to learn it’s just ‘marine with XYZ’ is a weight of my shoulders lol

[@Bikeadelic]

any chance of an IG army guide. I particularly like the unit breakdown.

[@HBon111]

Not even 30 seconds in and you won yourself my allegiance! Death to the False KZbin! Long Live the rule of Arbiter Ian!

[@mintyaroma987]

That was super useful as the sheer number of units can be really overwhelming! Please could you do a deep dive into the different consul upgrades? I find them to be quite confusing, and many of them seem to do very similar jobs to another one, so in those cases please could you compare them and in which situations you would want one over another?

[@fitnessandinjury]

Most epic video Bro

[@nicholasw777]

Amazing video!

[@zachjones2443]

There is. Single dram randomly when he’s talking about praetor

[@johnbennett4600]

Thanks. This video really helps.

[@doctoronishispsychosislab1474]

Narrative Campaigns is the best way to play 40k. Also epic scale is the correct scale( the new 8mm is perfect)

[@Hartmansgrad]

Hmm...I'm sad that there are no heresy era Manticores for my Loyalist Iron Warriors...but I didn't realise that Praetor launchers were a thing available. I'd be interested in a video on themed armies in a similar vein to the alternate paint schemes video or indeed something covering the legion specific stuff not included in this one

[@MrJfuphill]

You did a Tyler Durden when talking about the Legion Praetor 😁

[@CocoHutzpah]

The Earthshaker cannon on a Rhino chassis looks weird yet intriguing to me

[@DarrinSK]

The gunslinging character is really cool

[@Deus888]

That's what I needed.

[@brianwalsh1339]

Oh yeah, my tactical squads could totally be wearing whatever armor mark they want… if GW would ever bother to restock the MKIII and MKIV kits

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

Pretty sure they’re working on it as fast as they can. I think the new edition proved way more popular than expected, and the last thing GW wants is to lose money by not being able to sell you miniatures.

[@childrenofthesun471]

I've been trying to get them for 2 months now...

[@captainweekend5276]

@@tinyfishhobby3138 No kidding, my local GW can't keep anything other than AoD in stock. I was lucky last week that they were sorting their order out when I went so I was able to poach a deimos rhino, went back barely a day later and everything was gone again. HH seems to be way more popular than anyone could have predicted, makes me wonder just how popular old world will be when that launches in a few years.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

@@captainweekend5276 Old World is going to see every grognard who angrily burned their Warhammer armies when Age of Sigmar released come crawling back to GW with their life savings in hand.

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video.

[@robertstrong6798]

It’s good to see box dreads on this list , they double up as hell brutes nicely. Do the extended rules have a book 📕? I just can’t find them in the traitor lists

[@ArbitorIan]

They're a PDF which, come to think of it, I should probably link in the description!

[@wsas3780]

Great video.

[@philhitchings]

😮 How do you cover so much ground in such a short space of time? Thanks for this.

[@noprobllama9747]

I had no idea you could include many non heresy units.

[@lysandyr3609]

Just wanted to add the praevian consul can take a squad of up to 3 vorax battle automata as his bodyguards, you said he could take a squad but missed what actual units

[@keepcalmandre-roll5480]

Really super helpful video :) Thanks Ian

[@theezekarion164]

((LET'S GO!)) MORE OF THIS!

[@KabinMiniatures]

01:59 Editing mistake or easter egg showing yourself as the leader of the army? 😄 anyways, awesome video!

[@TurbosTantrums]

I'm interested in the way that the 40k versions of a lot of this kit (like the dreadnoughts and terminators) are the "older, cruder" variants in 30k.

[@ArbitorIan]

Yeah, the idea is that.the crusade era was a time of great progress and everything was getting more advanced, but in the aftermath of the heresy the Imperium were so stretched they just defaulted to the most easy-to-maintain variants of whatever they had. So Tartaros armour and Contemptor Dreadnoughts both disappear in favour of simpler models.

[@TurbosTantrums]

@@ArbitorIan And presumably some STCs got lost or destroyed in the millenia of fighting and so on. (I dunno, these mon-keigh...)

[@axelNodvon2047]

Hey Ian, just want to your heresy playlist is out of order. The imperial fists video is listed after night lords and blood angels

[@ianspurrell4436]

Hey fellow Ian, Question about paint color, does everybody use flat matt paint for a reason? I never see glossy, reflective or metallic paints. Is it just one of those things, that everybody follows about the grimdark-style? Or are there actually rules about paint?

[@ArbitorIan]

The vast majority of miniature paint has a matte/satin finish, but matte varnish is common. It's become more common since people started sharing their hobby online, since gloss finished models are WAY harder to photograph accurately without tons of reflections. There are rules about painting, but not to do with matte/gloss finish. They generally tend to be either 'to attend this event your army must be painted' or 'if you've painted your models as Blood Angels you have to use the Blood Angels rules'.

[@taliesinmcgregor-sims1879]

I've got the rule book and the loyal codex book but can't find where the indominus terminators stats arin the book, can someone tell me where it is. He said it was a troop choice but can't find it anywhere

[@JazzToTheTwo]

Maybe im missing something but why do the forgeworld command sets come with 2 models if you need 3+ lmao

[@captain98932]

Hey little question from a guy who is confused over 30k vs 40k Can you use 30k models in 40k? Like the Tartartos Terminators

[@ArbitorIan]

Yeah, not for everything but most of them either have 40k rules, or are armed in a way that means the models can be used in a 40k marine army even if the squad is called something different.

[@drathlor]

Nice mate, I just cant seem to find tartaros or cataphractii kits on GWs page :/

[@ArbitorIan]

They're being repackaged into the new Heresy box style

[@drathlor]

@@ArbitorIan Cant wait, as I would love to finally have boxes of 10

[@AuthorSurrogate]

Do Recon Squads not have Line? I could have sworn they had Line…

[@kienesel7]

No offense but I’m glad I’m in 40k just for the lore and painting. Can’t fathom having to keep track of all this.

[@ringodeathstarr9795]

check out the books , if you are into that kinda thing. the books got me hooked

[@mantradox]

I don't see any difference between cataphractii and indimitus patterns... from data sheet point of view they are the same, it seems? can anyone point out their difference (beside the indomitus being quoted as "support squad".

[@ArbitorIan]

Indomitus have the slower movement of Cataphractii (6") but also the lower invulnerable of Tartaros (5+). Tartaros would get an inch more movement and Cataphractii would get you a 4+ invul. On the plus side, power fists work out cheaper!

[@Rhod-wg7yt]

Do Veteran units have Line?

[@dyingearth]

Rune Priests and Stormseers are totally NOT Librarians :)

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

I find the homogeneity of units is the largest barrier to HH. :/

[@OldManRogers]

you pronounced Dorito dreadnought incorrectly. It's Dorito :P

[@joncesena5947]

I love your videos so much, though it does seem you pronounce things different than the generally accepted norm just to meme. Prey-uh-tor...? No way right?

[@alexanderk7970]

Tartaros/Cataphractii available as plastic kits? No re-release happened yet, as far as i know

[@ArbitorIan]

Re-release? They're just changing the boxes!

[@alexanderk7970]

@@ArbitorIan good news, gives me a reason to quit hunting for bits :)

[@Taibek]

I’ve got a world eaters 40K army in heresy colours. Would any of the models be usable in the heresy games or do I have to buy all new tactical marines? Basically are my chaos legionnaire bodies too chaosy?

[@captainparty]

By the later stages of the Heresy, a lot of the Traitors had begun to exhibit more of the signs of their new patrons, especially the four who dedicated themselves to one of the gods. By the time of the Siege of Terra, a lot of the World Eaters where more or less similar to the survivors in the 41st millennium. A lot of it would really depend on the story you wanted to tell with your army.

[@Taibek]

Thanks buddy!

[@awakeandwatching953]

@@Taibek from what i can tell theres no issue with models, they are just organised as different unit types.. in fact heresy looks like it would give yo loads of unit types you could assign to different models... heresy looks like it gives loads more freedom organisationally and in model choice than 40 k

[@ArbitorIan]

Nah, I use my 40k Emperor's Children in 30k and just say they're late-Heresy, Siege of Terra era. You'll probably just need to reorganise some squads but Despoiler squads - a basic troops choice - are armed pretty much the same way as berserkers

[@Taibek]

@@ArbitorIan thanks Ian! Wasn’t sure I could bring myself to paint another 20-30 marines in the same colour scheme again 😂

[@Bentheriault1]

ok, how many models is there in a normal 30k game??? is it more or equivalent as a space marine army from 40k?

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

It depends a lot on how you build your army. 30k is generally played at a higher points level than 40k. For me, it’s not uncommon for my army lists to have 60-70 infantry models as well as tanks and transports.

[@ArbitorIan]

Generally it's more. The points sizes are larger BUT that's not a hard rule as all the MASSIVE TANKS eats up points pretty fast!

[@Bentheriault1]

@@ArbitorIan ok, thank you.

[@richardelsdon2027]

Anyone know where it states Tactical support squads applicable for manadatory Troop choice, cant see that anywhere?

[@ArbitorIan]

Tactical Support Squads have the Support Squad special rule, which means they can't fill a Compulsory slot

[@richardelsdon2027]

@@ArbitorIan thanks for responding, just cant find that written down, do you know the page? Been through twice just now and not found it, feel like i must have missed a section somewhere.

[@richardelsdon2027]

Ah, pg 248. in the rule book. Got it.

[@usachev2010]

I wonder how many times you said "legion" and why it is literally in every unit name

[@lukemcdonladson6648]

Luv these quick break downs ... Just like a woman's skirt; long enough to cover the subject and short enough to create interest.' Hopefully you can get around to chapter specific ✌️💚

[@aaikevaz340]

For heretics it's the same?

[@ArbitorIan]

Yes, same basic list for all legions

[@leonatus221]

Omg sounds complicated

[@jtrain9926]

I'm not at all into power gaming or "the best" units, but the Glaive got totally ruined this edition.

[@Deliverygrot]

Nornal poepleconvert their mortificator look cool Then it's me : old plastic beakie with just a rocket launcher and a poorly free hand insignia

[@keymer91]

I love your channel, but this seemed a bit rushed, you can take a breath and adlib for longer on these Ian

[@ArbitorIan]

But how would i fit it all in 20 minutes if I BREATHED???!!!!!