Architects - "Seeing Red" | Reaction!

[@DrewFortune97]

Thoughts? 💭

[@vsevolotti]

I do not critique, it is my problem, but the chorus and the overall song didn't do it for me and i didn't even have any expectations

[@kevindesjadon2569]

i love it because they pretty much called out everyone crying about not being heavy enough.

[@Charlie_RH9]

I Loved it

[@YourBurrito96]

Pretty cringe. Feels like a celebration of selling out and a funeral for the death of good songwriting.

[@vsevolotti]

​@@kevindesjadon2569honestly the lack of "heavy" wasn't the problem for me, you can go full clean vocals and be a better band, The Contortionist and Katatonia are first examples than come to mind

[@daniellawson8182]

Clearly a shot at the haters who only like them when theyre heavy but still an absolute belter🔥 Im just not sure whether this is something we can expect more of moving forward but I hope so

[@shawndefiore]

More so those who made disgusting comments about Dan, Tom, and josh when they released their last album

[@daniellawson8182]

@@shawndefiore Ah fair death threats are referenced in the second verse.Anyone doing that shit is a vile human being

[@iJellySpoon]

Think this is them just proving that if they want to do this heavier style of music they easily can, but they obviously don't. I'm hoping they end up at the point where Bmth are at and can just release whatever the fuck they want

[@kevindesjadon2569]

I love it more then anything looking at the lyrics and he is pretty much calling out all the people crying about them not being heavy enough. Well they just trolled all of you

[@fadencetv4422]

It's not a troll... it's entirely contradictory. BMTH did the same with Death Metal so it isn't innovative either. It's a solid track despite the Chrous melody.

[@kingcthulu_1]

Trolling or not, at least it sounds better than the last garbage heap of an album.

[@Joose]

I mean, it's Pettycore, and I'm here for it.... but this is better than the entire last album; so they trolled us while playing themselves? 😂

[@midwestmulisha820]

they trolled by making a whole song, heavy at that, essentially admitting the criticism got to them and affected them? okay.

[@kurzy55]

These guys being heavy was all that kept me alive when I was 14. To see them heavy again is amazing.

[@d.hodgsky]

I love it! Perfect combo of old and new Architects! 👌 ❤

[@harryf7055]

Also the lyric in the chorus “please tell me what I believe (sarcasm)” I feel like Is directed towards the people telling Sam he’s disrespecting toms legacy and that Tom would have never wanted this

[@tomish4565]

Architects bangs, always have. No idea why these people are so sick... just listen to whatever the hell u like... I love both old and new Architects

[@FearedAudacity]

The lyrics make me love the band even more

[@EvilMammal]

People seem to be confusing who this song is aimed at. It is not aimed at those who want them to heavy again - it is aimed at those who made vile comments about Dan, Tom and Josh when they released the last record. Sam went on BBC Radio 1 and cried in an interview when talking about it.

[@pramusetyakanca1552]

People suck sometimes, I don’t get it. Like holy shit, if you don’t like it don’t vocalize ur opinions to such a degree.

[@ashleighjane]

I definitely agree it's directed at the abusive "fans". But in a way, it is also directed at the people who only want them to be angry, writing about Tom and how depressed they are. People grow and evolve, and so will what their likes and what they want to do. You can't expect a band to make the same music for their entire career - the exception to this being Amity Affliction, they'll never fucking change 😅 Constructive criticism is fine, but this song is absolutely also aimed at the people who are simply saying "Oh why aren't you screaming, your music is shit".

[@notcontentwithlosing]

imo it's aimed at both. "we only ever love you when you're seeing red", definitely sounds like "we only ever love you when you're angry with your bleghs"

[@d.hodgsky]

Side note: the lyrics are in the description of the video lol

[@DrewFortune97]

FOOK

[@d.hodgsky]

@DrewFortune97 😅😅 all good.

[@peytonbierens517]

Lots of people complain about their new sound but they do the fast pumped up tempo really well. “A new moral low ground” on the was my favorite on the newest album

[@vagrantender]

If people didn't love "for those" then that's on them not architects. It's one of the sickest albums. Architects should just do whatever they want.

[@pauleta48]

If peuple miss ''Holy Hell'', ''Daybreaker'' or any old album, juste go listen to it lol.

[@vagrantender]

@@pauleta48 exactly. Like it's all still their. A band music is their music, not ours. They should be able to play whatever they want and if we don't like it then that's on us. One of my favorite bands Hundredth went from metalcore to shoegaze and I still love it but so many dropped off them.

[@mercybeats_]

they genuinely took every cliche in metalcore and fit it into 3 minutes and its amazing

[@nuts4414]

The tongue is so far into the cheek it pushed through. I love that they are simultaneously calling out their toxic fans, showing they never lost sight of their roots even with their newer sound, and giving the people what they want, all wrapped into one awesome song. Love love love this song

[@Ligger4]

This is the only reaction video that gets the point, well done 👍 I think it is aimed mostly at those wishing the death threats. The sarcastic „Are you happy now?” sums it up. Like: „So this is why you were leaving death threats? Was it worth it you dumbass? Are you happy now?”

[@malcolmk2878]

The biggest troll would be if they refused to ever play this track in live shows LOLLL

[@ben2942]

😂😂

[@sanderhakonsen6160]

Seeing them in 1 month, so I surely hope they don't do that :

[@jim9301]

It literally wouldn't surprise me. That would be class.

[@ashleighjane]

Hahahahahahaha my partner and I literally spoke about this last night 😂😂 Or if they opened with it and went into something much more chill for a few songs.

[@harryf7055]

I could be reading into it to much but my theory for the lyrics is that Sam was trying to show us “If you really want us to do the angry shit again this is what it would sound like” cause yeah as they said in that interview you referenced, they aren’t the angry teens they once were. So I reckon sam was showing us how inauthentic it would sound if they tried to do that again

[@_notofthisearth]

Dan writes the lyrics now.

[@harryf7055]

@@_notofthisearth not on this one. Both sam and Dan are credited as songwriters. So I’m assuming sam did lyrics and Dan sm did instrumental

[@_notofthisearth]

@@harryf7055 songwriting doesn’t mean just lyrics. Dan can play guitar, drum, and knows how to write music. All the boys do.

[@braydenpartridge4344]

You don't have to be angry teens to make heavy music though.

[@_notofthisearth]

@@braydenpartridge4344 they are almost ten years older than when they wrote All Our Gods, which was written by a dying man. You really want them back in that headspace?

[@Emily_Grace333]

Highly recommend you check out Resurgence by Plagues! Absolutely incredible band I think they are going to get huge!

[@5h0wmanX]

This is the most glorious, nutsack-grabbing middle finger of a diss track at the keyboard warriors that call themselves fans “I’ll never grow tired of your great advice” is such a sarcastic NUKE of a line 😂 I love it

[@AyyFuji]

I absolutely love it, it's a mix of old and new (which I think is what FTTWTE and TCSoABS were for, to find a new style to incorporate with their old style), and I feel like the lyrics are very tongue in cheek for the 99% of us that aren't crazy, and haven't abused the band, they are intended for those scumbags that caused their pain. Personally, Architects were the band to pull me back into Metal last year, from finding Royal Beggars, which I still love, I've found my other new bands, but these guys do feel like 'home' in a way, it's hard to explain. I just hope this song isn't the outlier on the album, while I enjoy the last 2 albums, I'm like everyone else that prefers Holy Hell or All Our Gods. Already listened to it 20+ times today, if that means anything haha.

[@EmskoppSascha]

I love that song a lot. It´s by far not their best song but the reason behind the song and the meaning is just on point. Shoutout to all the "fans".

[@missinbrain]

I love this. I loved the last two albums too, even if not honestly quite as much. I think Sam’s vocals (esp. on the Abbey Road album) have come so far. To me they managed to make this heavy song trolling the hateful people, but also combining the old heavy with the new vocal chops Sam has developed. I love this. I’m a fan. Hopefully they hit up the the U.S. West Coast this next year so I can see them.

[@Irmelinis]

Very nice video, Drew. Informative and respectful.

[@BrunoReflections]

Yes, im happy now ! thank you

[@mixtapefate]

gojira's scrapes are like cherry on the cake

[@karl00l]

Great breakdown interpretation on the lyrics.

[@Vedrfoelnir]

Woaaaaa~

[@user-zk1os9hb5t]

Very good song! Better than thei recent stuff by far!!

[@ChandlerBurtonEntertainment]

Great review bro!

[@AverageSkater]

If you love metal core, and haven’t heard of them, please give the band “bury tomorrow” a listen,seen them live twice and a third time near Christmas this year and they kill it, catchy as fuck and heavy where necessary with a nice mix of cleans in between in most songs A few of my favourites are “Choke”, “Death. (Ever colder)” “The grey (vixi)”, “Heretic” (feat. Loz Taylor from while she sleeps), “wrath”, and “the carcass king” just to name a few…. I promise you won’t be disappointed, the fucking slap just as hard as architects 😎

[@kingcthulu_1]

Love the content man! This is probably the only request for music I will ever make for you, but I think you need to check out a band called Forevermore. The last album they put out on Solid State Records (Integral) came out in 2016 and is an absolute banger. Not to mention right up your alley with the more progressive-metalcore style you seem to enjoy as much as me. I don't believe you would regret giving this album a listen. It's pretty much perfect from beginning to end. Would love to see your reaction to it! They deserve way more recognition than they got at the time.

[@Centerpieceofmind]

I like your outlook, subd

[@PapaSriracha_]

Not sure if a band called Ocean Grove has ever hit your radar bro but I think you would really dig them, if you reviewed their album 'The Rhapsody Tapes' that would be sick! Love your work brother keep it up 🤘🤘🤘

[@hollowman7669]

Next up, best song of 2023. Orbit Culture - While We Serve!!! It’s so brutal 🤘😂🤘

[@Aya84524]

I loved it, I'm happy to see them have a go at those who are being quite frankly unreasonable and, well, just shitty people. It's music, if you don't like it, listen to something else. It definitely felt a bit vindictive and that kind of takes away a bit from the song IMO but I also completely get it. All that stuff aside though, I think if I heard it blind with no knowledge of the crap that they've had to deal with, I think I would just enjoy the song and that's what matters to me. For the record, if anyone cares, I didn't *love* the last couple of albums but I didn't hate them either, they just didn't seem quite as good as their older stuff to me and that's fine, they're allowed to do what they want and they absolutely should. I certainly am not going to say awful things about them or try to make them feel like Tom wouldn't be happy with their achievements after his death, because I'm not an asshole 😅It may make me sound old or something but my parents raised me in such a way that if I don't have anything nice to say, I just keep my thoughts to myself. I wish more people were like that, but it is what it is. Keep doing what you wanna do, Architects 💙

[@midwestmulisha820]

I like it better than anything from their last album, but it still sounds like they're following directly in bmth's footsteps.

[@gruccigang0587]

This is probably the 3rd or 4th time ive heard this kind of song

[@venmen523]

Personally I never saw it as heavy vs not heavy. I look at lyricism and overall emphasis on genuinely meaningful music. When people refer to the heavier era, at least in my case, I’m referring to an era that helped me to feel understood as a person. Look in daybreaker. There are several songs that aren’t heavy but extremely high quality and emotional. Look at “Truth, be told.”

[@ashleighjane]

Yayyyy! The message didn't go over your head! I've watched other reactors who completely missed the point of the song... Thank you. Constructive criticism is one thing, and is absolutely fine. But it's the jerks in the second group you mentioned... The ones abusing the band for growing up and evolving. The ones storming stages to tell them Tom would be disappointed in them. It's those people who they wrote this song for. And those people STILL don't get it after hearing it 😅😅

[@PeteBaldwin]

I've seen a couple videos where the reactor has said "finally they've gone heavy again! I didn't like their recent stuff. OH WOW! HE DID A BLEGH!!!" It's hilarious watching it - you're just waiting for it to click... They're singing about you bro....

[@Gimli8621]

This video is high quality and very educational, thank you!👀/s

[@franko3472]

Side note, lyrics are on the description of the video.

[@truthnotlies8569]

This old and new Architects is boring now. The band are on THEIR journey. Either join them or move on. Whatever you chose, you'll NEVER control them. Be happy in life, love and support but most of all be kind. Personally I LOVE the new track ❤

[@iamjatan]

Not listened to much of their newer stuff (think the last album I properly listened to was Daybreaker) as I wasn't too keen on the few songs I heard but this song is pretty good. Got a bit of a Nu Metal vibe to it as well as some beefiness which I'm all for. Maybe I need to go back and give the newer stuff a revisit.

[@christianhackl474]

You would love Animals by architects for sure I think, it's from their "newer" stuff. Maybe you would also like When we were young from their last album

[@iamjatan]

@@christianhackl474 Thanks, I will check those songs out.

[@dlin24]

I love this song. I like most of their last couple albums too. I prefer the older stuff over any of it but i know that Tom was a huge part of writing the old stuff and he is gone. They cant just copy and paste the old stuff, so it had to change. Maybe I'm one of the people they are calling out, I don't know.

[@_Horrorkid_]

Great video man, if you are looking for another great band, check out Plagues and their new song Resurgence.

[@Fez135]

It's the best song they've released since Tom died. But when you have songs like Gone With the Wind and Gravedigger in your back catalogue this "metalcore-by-numbers" sound isn't ever going to feel as good. It's like growing up on wagyu and champagne and then having to tighten your belt and live off frozen dinners.

[@Chris_H0988]

Definitely agree with you Drew and fans should let the band be themselves find their kicks elsewhere in the heavy music scene. #ArchiTROLLS

[@shades1159]

While I prefer their angry Metalcore, I do love some of their new work (dead butterflies is a masterpiece), and I love this. Speaking your mind in today’s age is always going to be going against the current. Track is a 8.5/10 for me.

[@nicolajpedersen8506]

Absoluuutely love sams lows man. Its grovy as hell but not my favorit song of theirs

[@lnhocsignovinces]

Look... Fuck those who sent death threats, spoke out of turn about T/S and just generally spouted shit about Architects unnecessarily just because they weren't "heavy" anymore... BUT! is this the right response? I've loved Architects for my whole adult life, the last album didn't do it for me but such is life. Just because Architects have "evolved" their sound doesn't mean I have to evolve my taste and some big meanie lyrics won't change that.

[@cookieeaturface]

I think it's fun, heavy is heavy and the chorus is catchy and very Oli Sykes. It's just clear to me how much of what I liked about Architects, cutting lyricism and proggy riffage, came from Tom, and the rest came from the passion and anger Sam no longer feels comes naturally to him. This track won't bring me back to the band, but I hope it helps them move past this awkward push and pull with their older fans.

[@Vojtakrasa]

The problem with hating on the early stuff lovers and the new stuff haters is the sentimental part of the issue. Of course they can do whatever they want to do. It is THEIR music and I by all means defend the argument that they make music for THEMSELVES. HOWEVER I as a former biggest fan ever am entitled to: 1. an opinion about their new stuff 2. EXPRESSING my opinion on their new stuff 3. be utterly disappointed with their attitude towards the fans that were there throughout the whole journey to them being one of the biggest bands on the scene For me it's not the music. It's the attitude they have, completely disregarding any sentiment us old Architects lovers might have. We've been there the whole time and yet they're like "fuck you" instead of "we're not happy with our sound and wanna do this now". That's not what you're supposed to do as a band. People say it's the same thing Bring Me The Horizon did with 'heavy metal' and I couldn't agree less. Bring Me The Horizon didn't disregard their old fans. They embraced a new path of experimenting with modern sound and production technique. But they value all of their fans, both old and new. Can't say the same about Architects.

[@ashleighjane]

I say this with absolute respect, but you've kinda missed the point. This isn't directed at all fans. This is directed at the jerks who abuse the shit out of them on the internet, who storm the stage and yell at them, who tell them they're disrespecting Tom's memory with the new stuff and by not talking about him anymore. It's directed at the "fans" who wanted them to stay in that depressed state talking about the most tragic event in their lives. They are passed that now. They will never forget Tom but they need to move on for themselves, and Sam has said this in many interviews. They need to grow and evolve and start doing things they want to do. Expressing opinions is fine, as long as it's in a constructive, nice way. Everyone has an opinion. But it's HOW you express it. And this isn't a "fuck you" to all fans. Just a very select few, those who express it in the most disrespectful way possible.

[@Vojtakrasa]

@@ashleighjane I can definitely live with this explanation. 🫶🏻

[@yBazo82]

Strong

[@Vixfor_]

I think that one of the main problems is that some bands cannot change properly over years. Architects overdid themselves with their riffy prog metalcore style for years and it got really boring, monotone and mediocre now. Then they decided to change their style completely and honestly it was a good choice. But there's something really lazy about their last album, everything seems very predictible and mediocre. I think they simply need more progressive elements and experiments(not exactly the pure heaviness or some unsuccessful experiments like for example the crowd choir in this song), but something that is about: structure, layering, vocals, production, melodies and notes, etc... But it doesn't mean that they should blame and mock their old fans, some of which may have tattoes and lyrics from their older material on their skin. I think that hate towards band is always a bad thing because listeners can't really feel all the effort and hard work that bands put into their songs and art overall, but i also think that it shouldn't be as lazy as it was on their last album. Some people don't like their last record not because it wasn't heavy, but because musicly it's very mediocre overall, but some simply don't understand it and they would go like - "bring back the old sound" or "RIP Architects". All i can recommend to all the bands as a basic listener - change like The Devil Wears Prada, change like Invent Animate, change like Northlane! Do something individual and accessible with all your effort, this is a key! Look at what Johnny Booth band did this year, they've recorded and mastered an incredible and yet a very underrated album with original sound, the album Moments Elsewhere is basically like I Let It In And It Took Everything, but for hardcore-side metalheads, because they experimented really well and it seems successful and works like it's own ecosystem, it's very progressive as well. Now it seems like Loathe is doing something absolutely insane, look at them! They really put effort because quality is more important to them than quantity. Only imagine if Architects started to include thall riffs or make something more unique and very individual. I can't say that choosing this path you won't suffer, but the one who walks could once overcome it, there's a chance to find the golden chest in the end. Maybe they once found this chest and don't need another one though?

[@Henrycostam1]

For me, architects maybe lost the creative process of change This is good but we listen much songs like this.

[@Vixfor_]

@@Henrycostam1 This is exactly my point dude! :)

[@LeSaintRat]

Well that's your problem... Tbh I love what they were doing from their debut to now If that's the direction they wanted to go to, I respect it And people calling themselves "fans" should too. Nobody is telling you to stfu and do it differently when you do something you like in the way you like it

[@Vixfor_]

@@LeSaintRat I never enjoyed their stuff tbh, it was kinda mid to me, same like with Currents. Of course this is their choice for sure, i don't blame them for not being: unusual, individual, unique. My point was that the change of direction was good for the album - "For those that wish to exist" and it was really decent in terms of musical experience. While the last album feels literally the opposite.

[@noseqnombreponer7589]

​@@LeSaintRat being a fan doesnt mean you should applaude every thing they Drop. I grew with them, and their last álbum Was weak, it was as simple as that

[@DrewPwnage]

Please react to woe is me - hard to live

[@georgemayatt896]

anyone got massive a Linkin park feel with chorus

[@KGi4]

Fans are mad cuz they way too quickly changed their style instead on gradually moving into new Direction. People being hooked up and hyped and then their favourite sound was taking Away... Ofcourse you got mad... But from the band perspective they could simply implement heavy signature sound into new songs so fans could move along as band would progress... Just look what Bmth did. They Created their own genre..🎉

[@clifffittier2324]

I wonder if they would have been successful with their last 2 Albums if they didnt have the name "architects". I mean its like Parkway Drive, Asking Alexandria and Bring Me The Horizon. Got big angry and the fans want fanservice and its understandable that people that got hangin' are kinda disappointed. Social Media is a blessing and a curse. Dont change unless you are able to keep the backlash or improve. And not every change is "growing up" or "improve".

[@pauleta48]

All the comments ''oh they are heavy again''. They never stopper being heavy lmao...

[@seanofarrell8896]

The child choir through it off for me

[@BoOsT697]

Yeah my only main criticism

[@aaronvilla3824]

There best song in a minute and it’s a troll 😂

[@TAYLORvsGUITOU83]

Pretty good song but i am a fan of their first era. I never put an hate comment on internet. I feel stab in the back like Parkway drive did ! The new era is not bad but i miss their old sound.

[@Tj-hw2ql]

I didn’t like the kid choir shit, but at least it was heavy again Edit: i understand the meaning of the song and (at least i think so) the meaning of the kids choir. It brings the message across very well and i think it‘s actually very creative and well done. However that doesn’t mean i have to like the sound of it

[@YourBurrito96]

The song itself is making fun of people who wanted them to go heavy again.

[@sayok575]

@@YourBurrito96 why?

[@YourBurrito96]

@@sayok575 what do you mean why? Because they were mad that people were giving them shit for not being "heavy" enough.

[@harryf7055]

I think the intention of using the kids choir was to say that all the people hating are acting like children. But it also did jar me hearing it in the song

[@sayok575]

@@YourBurrito96 but the main issue isn't that. Their current musical style doesn't stand out among other bands of that genre and the lyrics are empty compared to when they used to be full of message and essence...

[@isetbudsonfire]

I’ve never said anything negative about them personally. I desperately miss Tom. But I’ve not liked anything from them in years. Do I wish they were heavy again? Yes. Do I listen to their new music? No. Do I think it’s asinine to shit on the foundation that built their castle? Yeah. Either way don’t care. RIP Tom.

[@axelmontenegro8185]

That's okay but ALL OUR GODS HAVE ABANDONED US Is the Best fucking album in the history of Architecs, i dont gonna take discussion about that 😎

[@ieatfood88]

The problem isn't Sam, he's a GREAT vocalist. The problem is the mastermind behind the band was Tom. Sam will always sound good, but they lost their edge when Tom passed away. I can't even imagine what they would sound like if Tom was still alive. They went from proggy djent metal to generic hard rock. Vocals don't make it, it's the instrumentation; granted the style of vocals can add to it.

[@joshfx3756]

Never really been that big on Architects other than a few songs off of holy hell but I thought this one was definitely worth throwing in my playlist.

[@mikedown1250]

Periphery anyone?

[@connorhinde]

The irony is, this is one of their best songs since FTTWTE. I lover Architects, but just couldn't connect with anything from ...broken spirit.

[@DiscogDiscourse]

I like the track cause it definitely feels like a return to the For Those That Wish To Exist sound. However, at the same time, it feels like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by making a song that their older fans would like while also dissing those same fans for their response to their more melodic approach on the last album. Feels very disingenuous for that reason. Like here's that song you've been asking for but it's about how much I hate you anyways blegh amiright

[@_notofthisearth]

That’s the joke, mate.

[@DiscogDiscourse]

@@_notofthisearth not sure it’s a joke when they’ve been very vocal about how annoyed they are with those fans and how much Sam hates the blegh

[@_notofthisearth]

@@DiscogDiscourse I mean, would you be pissed if after your best friend and bandmate passed and everyone said “RIP” under every post, video, comment section? They’re taking the piss outta all those people that tell them because Tom died, Architects should just quit. The amount of entitlement in this generation is honestly staggering and this is the perfect fuck you, to those people. Not fans with genuine criticisms.

[@DiscogDiscourse]

@@_notofthisearth I mean yeah fair enough. I think a lot of those fans definitely took things too far, especially with how good For Those That Wish To Exist really is. That said, architects can’t really play both sides and provoke those fans with the statements they’ve made and a song like this and then be surprised when fans don’t respond well to it

[@_notofthisearth]

@@DiscogDiscourse bro, a fan rushed the stage at their show to tell them how disappointed Tom would be in them. I think Architects are entitled to being a lil pissed off.

[@flatliner556]

Firstly, I'm completely against the whole death threat deal. That's competely out of pocket. Second, I fall in your first camp. I actually didn't find them until either right before or right after Tom had died, (that's not WHY I found them, thanks Truant). I'll admit I haven't listened to all of the last 2 albums, but if I listen to every single you drop and then another 2-3 from that album and it nothing grabs my attention, then it's not for me. I don't need them to hate the world and be angry all the time. However, it's a complete travesty not to come to terms with the fact that AOGHAU was a masterpiece and they've fallen so far from that. Yes it was angry as Tom came to terms with his mortality, and heartwrenching, too; but musically, it was a lot more technical in every way than pretty much anything since. I know the band has it in them. I know Josh completely shreds with Sylosis, but they're a very different band. It just sucks that we don't get to see the progression of their growing skills and it feels as though they're content playing as though they've regressed as a whole. I'm one of those guys who didn't find BMTH until right after 'That's the Spirit' dropped. I loved 'sempiternal'. Now, Bring Me The Disco is a shell of it's former self. They didn't grow into what they are now; they sold out.

[@JewelsLeigh]

If we dont allow artists to grow they'll stagnate and could stop all together. I thought Sam got his point across.

[@HenryRuins]

I enjoy almost everything that they have released though my favorite albums by them are Nightmares and Ruin and it's way before that fucking blegh nonsense so this surely can't be aimed at me?

[@TheAlex4019]

It smokes me 😂😂 it's not about being heavy, it's about being creative and not monotone. Take a band like Motionless in White, it's less heavy than before but still with new ideas and oh surprisingly (or not) they are way more bigger than Architects now

[@whosthatpanda7935]

I agree, FTTWTE had a ton of great songs which weren't as heavy. Classic Symptoms was really where the main issues were, but because the fans giving actual constructive criticism were drowned out by all of the crybabies flooding them with hate for being "not heavy" that ended up being the only thing they saw.

[@xavierbonilla1164]

Linkin park is kindly asking to stop trying to steal their sound. Also…their “evolution” of lyrics….oof

[@thisusernamewastaken0076]

I didn’t not like the last two albums because it wasn’t heavy just nothing caught my attention really no innovation same thing with this sure it’s heavy cool but again it’s not unique or has something that would have me returning you can change in sound and do it really well this and the last two albums is not that

[@friderikosj]

Sorry but I cant vibe with the "Are you a junkie punk medicating for free" lyric (and some others). Overall I dont mind the dissing the haters lyrics, some trolls are insane. But for some of us this type of music was and is a "medicine" for depression. If time hasnt frozen for them and they moved on thats great. But people have the right to not like the new stuff too. They can keep doing whatever they like and of course talk about the death threats sending idiots. But not everyone liking them "only when they see red" is like those people.

[@gSWG3R]

The irony is that as fans of their older sound, we aren't even fussed that their new shit isnt heavy anymore. The problem is how absolutely generic, droning, and cringey they have become. Arena rock has, and always will, suck.

[@YourBurrito96]

Pretty strongly dislike this. It's a slap in the face of the people who liked their "heavier" stuff, and it's too heavy for people who like the newer stuff. I don't get how they refuse to understand that *mainly* people hated the dropoff in overall quality, between instrumentation and especially lyric writing, in the last two albums. Yeah, heavier was better I guess, but the main issue I (and I think plenty of others) have with their new stuff is that it just seems uninspired and sold out.

[@YourBurrito96]

And apparently the band thinks the biggest gripe is just simply, "Y no heavy??¿ 🤪"

[@aeztral]

Horrible take. This is quite literally aimed at people who did NOT leave constructive criticism. And even if you strongly dislike their new material, they don't owe you music in that old style. They're people and artists that make the music that they feel like making and it's no ones place to tell them shit like 'Tom would be disappointed'. Nobody is taking AOGHAO or LT//LF from you but these are people and they deserve to be not constantly be harassed by people who can't let go.

[@YourBurrito96]

@@aeztral Maybe I worded it poorly, I'm not trying to hate on them. This track just feels tone deaf to the real criticism. The songwriting of the last two albums was terrible compared to the previous. And this just feels like doubling down on the lazy songwriting.

[@sayok575]

totally agree with you

[@whosthatpanda7935]

​@@YourBurrito96because that genuinely IS most people who are leaving hate comments' biggest gripe. People giving constructive feedback are getting drowned out by the "not heavy = bad" crowd and the people weaponising Tom's death to attack the band, sending death threats etc.

[@Greenignitor]

I tried to like it, but only because it's heavy doesn't mean that it's good. Extremely basic groov, that makes no use of their djenty side. The chorus has that whiney fell to it, that I personally despise. The lyrics are uninspired and downright cringe at times. And what's up with those kinds in the gang vocals??

[@jlowe92]

Architects - 1 r/metalcore - 0

[@Crotes1990]

The songwriting is just very mid, like their last 2 albums. The chorus is just so bland and no interesting guitar riffs whatsoever.

[@YourBurrito96]

This song was WAY too strong of a response to what was clearly a vocal minority of their fanbase.

[@CruciaLou]

Lmao regardless of them trolling it’s cringe as fuck hahahaha

[@JUGGERWOLF]

Architects died with Holly Hell

[@_notofthisearth]

This song was written for people exactly like YOU.

[@masterck2421]

Sometimes I wonder, if those minority of so called "FANS" actually listened and even tried realizing the meaning of what they sang about this world and us as humans in their previous albums at all. T//S 🤍