Archon Type B Gen 2. The good the bad and the ugly Table Top. Tons of potential.

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[@parunbelhomme]

Thanks for this review brother. I had a feeling that a lot was left on the table by most of the "big" guntubers when it came to this pistol. Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts. Be well!

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Agreed. When I get done with it, I think it will be awesome, but all those fixes on an 800 dollar pistol are kind of sad.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

I meant to say I only had it a week before shooting it in competition.

[@shadowoffair09]

This is the best in depth review of this pistol ive seen to date and ive been keeping my eyes and ears open for it since debut in 2017. I was hopeful the kinks would get worked out with the importation and manufacturing. Now it looks like most have been. I'll be purchasing one 100% thanks to your review. Great job! Now i just need to settle on what optic cut I want. I hope more these finer details and home-smithing remedies continue to be released so others can make informed purchase decisions; rather than be blind sided by the untold nuances.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@shadowoffair09 Thanks, my friend. I appreciate the support. A lot of people will not shoot it in competition where the flaws start showing up. It is a really cool gun.

[@shadowoffair09]

That's interesting. I see competition shooting as the proving grounds for mass production pews and feeding grounds for purpose made pews. I remember one video from initial launch where a competitive foreigner was singing its praises, but I don't believe he was competing in American circuits. Hopefully it holds up. But the civilian class wants "block" like reliability and only time and range reports will reveal that.

[@Phenom2606]

I got one with their Holy Grail trigger job and it’s super light and resets great. You are spot on with the whole mag release thing. All in all it’s a great gun and I got mine with sandpaper grips. However, it’s way overpriced for what you get and the pic rail pushes WMLs to much forward. Great review, cheers!

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Thanks, my friend. It was not great out of the box but I think it is now

[@locophoto6881]

Way overprice for what you get? What an idiot....it's one of the flattest shooting pistols on the market, with an optics cut, reliable, versatile grip, easy to work on if you have a brain, brilliant ergonomics, and hundreds less than many other pistols, and unique groove in slide for press checks which is really clever and effective, built in magwell, and rail.

[@jonn8163]

I have the GEN one and the mag release is definitely better than what they did on GEN two

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Thanks, I figured that would be true

[@rain6firearmsandlifestyle131]

@@Heteachethmyhandstowar Great review, definitely liked it, well done. I have a mag release button coming out soon. Could do a couple versions, what would you like to see in it? Thank you!

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@rain6firearmsandlifestyle131 I think it should not stick as far out as the factory when pressed, It may should have beveled edges where it rubbs against grip to keep from it hanging on it. The polymer grip module has some molding imperfections I think the button likes to stick on when pressed certian ways.

[@Selfdefense4k]

2:40 I have the same mag release issue with mine.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

It can be fixed.

[@figgy1682]

It’s funny because I’ve had their gen 1 from almost the month they released it. I’ve been carrying it ever since and had none of those issue. It’s crazy how an upgrade/generation can be an actual downgrade.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Yeah, and it may be a problem on only a few guns. I am not saying every gun will have this problem. It is fixed now after a lot of work, and I do really like the gun overall.

[@jijjr]

What was the pistol mentioned at timestamp 16:25 right after talking about the Alien when referring to other low bore axis guns? I couldn't make out exactly what you said but it was something like "Manchestolokia"

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@@jijjr Daniel defense h9

[@jijjr]

@@Heteachethmyhandstowar I heard you say the DD H9 but I heard you say another one besides that, I just can't make it out.

[@zd-motion6688]

Alien Laugo

[@texasranger24]

So in short it has great potential and the low bore axis action works, but even on the gen 2 model they still didn't figure out how to make it nice... By the way, do you know if it takes Shadow 2 magazines? I've heard people say they are identical, others say similar, some say they might not even work. Could you try that?

[@Chris09978]

It does work with shadow mags

[@Brian-gj5xm]

I wish Archon would redo the whole frame: ambi paddle mag. release, fix the mediocre trigger and straight face, smaller trigger guard and eliminate the rib in the rear of the grip.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@@Brian-gj5xm I would say I agree with that. I think the shape of the beavertail is worse than the rib. It's a great gun that needs a little tuning here and there.

[@philippott2784]

I'm right handed and my thumb is short - I usually put the mag release button to the right side and use my middle finger to release it. I had the 1st Arsenal Stryk B and it was a good gun but with little support. Dont know if the new one still fits but for the StryK you can acutally use a Beretta APX Ghost shell holster! It holds the StrykB firm in place.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Thanks for the info. Might try it sometime.

[@Aroknow]

I would say - if you already bought it - deal with it and improve - if you're thinking about buying it - I don't recommend - reasons why? well I bought it last year in October and since then I had 2 times a situation where I could not drop the mag - mag release has issues, Archon firearms knows about it - I had my mag release replaced already once and shit continues to create issues... now gave it to a gun smith and waiting for some good news... Mags are expensive but you can buy one from CZ 75 - change the base pad and will work and costs half price ... Gun overall is nice, holds nice, shoot nice, you can feel it's a premium product but then you discover that it's a niche product and even though Archon Firearms says that many companies will bring stuff that will work with this gu - holsters etc(safari land, Alien gear etc) - bullshit... there's nothing or just basic stuff..

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Good news is. I think I got mine working great. It did suck out of the box. I did a lot of changes to the mag release.

[@machfly5]

Get the Gen 1. Its doesn’t have any of the problems you describe. Much better grip, ambi slide release, very nice mag release, and smoother beaver tail. FCG is the same though, but it was smooth from day 1.

[@fragrancejourney01]

New sub. Nice video.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Thanks for the support

[@josephperry9669]

Can you make a video showing how to disassemble the frame? The reason, I completely agree everything you said, mag release, but mainly the trigger is why I want to see how to disassemble it. If that is not something you want to do, is fairly straightforward? I install Cajun pro packages on CZ’s, spring kits on striker and hammer fired, trigger slings etc. I can work with small parts, and can figure out how they go together usually.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

There is a good video by rain6 firearmsI think, on disassembly. I would just polish all the trigger contact points and if you want to be risky take one rung from trigger detent spring and sear spring.

[@josephperry9669]

I think I know which video you’re talking about. I started researching the gen 2 in October 2023, and got one when PTR first stocked them. So I know about Rain6 and Iron Horse, both in Utah and both owned by the same guy or company. Are there any tricky springs or parts to watch for, so they don’t go flying off, or difficult to get into place when putting back together?

[@josephperry9669]

Sorry, last question I swear: what size washers did you use for mag release, where did you get them, and much material did you remove from the back/right side (2-4 mm)?

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@josephperry9669 If you pay attention, taking things off it is an easy, simple design to take apart. Probably easier than the cz guns I have messed with that you already know.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@josephperry9669 Runner grommet set from harbor frieght. 1/4 inch size. Yes, around 2-4 mm is right.

[@wongkeebs4327]

How have you liked thr justice 2? I find mine to be either too bright or too dim. Adjustments are too wide

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

I like it. I will try and pay more attention to that and see what I think.

[@danieldz7906]

First gen of Stike one had 2 part mag reliese. And it was shit. If it need 5 parts and it is working? Fine.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

This one was not working. I took a good while to get it to not stick and work. Should be good out of the box.

[@danieldz7906]

@@Heteachethmyhandstowar true

[@rain6firearmsandlifestyle131]

so True! lol

[@compositetiger]

The slide release is not ambidextrous, right?

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

No it is not.

[@machfly5]

It’s ambidextrous on the Gen 1 gun, and the mag release is completely different and not a problem. Gen 1 is still for sale.

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

@machfly5 Gen one did not come optics ready. That is a must for me.

[@machfly5]

@@Heteachethmyhandstowar True. I guess its a question of which one is easier to modify.

[@talega1]

This is a FAT nd Heavy pistol and the MAIN problem is the GD mag release.....that POS is impossible to actuate.....pushes on the other side..... can't be fixed.....

[@rain6firearmsandlifestyle131]

We can fix it, that isn't normal. Have you contacted PTR re: the louzy actuation, or lack there of?

[@Logan2070]

I honestly dont see anything here that I can't get for half the price with better quality control...

[@Heteachethmyhandstowar]

Yeah, it is tough because some parts of this gun are premium and nice. Just think they missed the mark on some key performance areas. I plan on having a great gun when I am done. I would be far more gracious if this gun cost 400 dollars like the P10C.