Arctic Cat's ALL-NEW 858 2-Stroke snowmobile Engine

[@MacWallaceArbitrationService]

I love the smell of 2-strokes in the morning. Smells like...victory.

[@pajamatime5750]

Super pumped to hear how it performs on the snow mounted in the Catalyst chassis. This is awesome for Arctic Cat and the industry as a whole. Loosing Yamaha sucks but, if nothing else, it looks like Cat is getting serious about their offerings once again…. Green vs. Yellow vs. Red will have a rivalry like it did in the ‘90’s and early ‘00’s!!!! Great to see!

[@burnzillablue]

Progressive steering done right, Belt drive in all sleds, and now a new motor and gauge that looks fantastic. This Catalyst could win sled of the year back to back, the 858 looks very good.

[@pajamatime5750]

@@burnzillablue Sure does! AC may just be back!

[@rewadena4371]

I wish they would a came out with a new 600. The C tech is old iron!! We are getting left in the dust on HP!!

[@CalgaryDynastar]

Maybe they will offer a factory turbo with warranty by 2030

[@jdxjim]

Arctic Cat will be the next 1 to leave the Market. They just don't have the sales or dealer network to survive. Way more $$$ for them in ATV and UTV Markets. SLEDS are dying a slow death and will settle with DOO and POLARIS as the only 2 left . I know the Cat guys will Cry--But all you have to do is look at the industry sales year by year and you can see where Cat will see there is not enough $$$ left for them to keep building sleds.

[@gordonliddy9418]

Glad to see Arctic Cat bringing it to the competition! I would love to see this smoke ski-doo and polaris.

[@eltonwhite8490]

that'll never happen !

[@dannikiforuk6454]

I'm very excited about Arctic Cat's new platform, and this new engine. When it comes time to upgrade, I'm definitely checking this one out.

[@camaro69green31]

Thanks for your overview Luke. I know you very impressed with the Catalyst 6 that you reviewed last spring, you seemed to think it was Next Level!! Can you imagine how splendid the 858 will be all things considered?? Cant wait for your SnowTrax ride review on that puppy. Keep the Vids coming.... Especially the Cat vids!

[@snowtrax]

Lots more to come! Thanks and stay tuned!!

[@BERGERJeah]

Two things, first off, I watched the release video at Hay Days and your explanation of the engine was much more interesting and in depth, so thanks for that. Second, I’ve always been a believer that for trail sleds an Arctic Cat 600 is the way to go, they have always have had a great balance of power and light weight. So the fact they made the 858 version lighter than the 600 version (still can’t wrap my head around that yet) tells me that this WILL be the best snowmobile available.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I still like Direct Injection. I don't need a Turbo . Methanol injection sounds like a great idea.. I want to race Cross Country .. that is for 600's only .. Was funny when all Polaris had to offer 1 year was the 650 Liberty .. then the next year they offered a 600 cc sled with an older model engine to be Cross Country Legal ..

[@MikeMartin-gz6ix]

I wish the dirt bikes Industry would make more. 2 strokes and the quad industry to

[@christhibodeau4769]

YZ250

[@RideFishHunt]

Lot's of 2 stroke manufacturers for bikes, I have 2 quads, but they will never put a 2 stroke in one again. I think Bill Clinton did something back in the day to stop that. Trump gets back in it might be different.

[@haydenp9254]

Many of the European dirt bikes are 2 strokes

[@adampetten1009]

I'd walk over a bed of nails on fire to get a CR300 RX or RL

[@dirtrider383]

There’s just not enough buyers for a all new 2 stroke atv

[@aaronphillips2728]

I dont even ride snowmobiles (live where theres now powder) but love seeing 2stroke tech evolve coming from dirtbikes. Pretty amazing especially how low they mount it

[@jlo13800]

How about a 440 v8 DFI 2 stroke for a dodge challenger!

[@Ceemysix]

Kudos to Cat and Textron for this development. If people had any idea how much money goes into developing new chassis and engines.

[@Heinester]

sold i'm spring checking one. Game changer for the sled industry imo

[@speeder757]

That thing is going to be a beast and more sled than 90% if they would admit it. Great concept of the intake and exhaust on the front .

[@speeder757]

@@ACatKromGood to know

[@mikepierunek]

​@ACatKrom this is facts

[@lmtada]

Still riding my m1000 beast. 😂

[@speeder757]

@@lmtada I guess I`m happy for you 😉

[@deanretzlaff2253]

I had 3 or more questions I was going to ask but you answered them all in you video..great job n keep up the great work…I haven’t got a new sled in a long time..looks like next year I will be ordering one..

[@snowtrax]

Awesome! Glad we were able to answer all your questions.

[@fnatomagan]

This Exhaust Valves look interesting. Can't wait to clean a set.

[@frankdepalma4409]

Great coverage, thank you for the information.

[@camaro69green31]

Cat has always had over engineered beefy cranks and crank cases in their 2 strokes especially the big bores... that's why they have always been the favorite for aftermarket big bore kits from D&D, Speedworx etc for big performance and reliability. I hope that Cat with this new crank has not gone down the road that Polaris and BRP have for so many years of weak cranks, bearing and crank cases that leave their faithful wrenching when they should be riding.

[@jlo13800]

How about an opposed piston 2 stroke Arctic cat!

[@mattscott7037]

Light is what is going to make this baby run. Hp/Lb the lower the weight the better the performance. I hope it is reliable to bad they don’t still use Suzuki’s. But this looks to be good. At least it is a 2 stroke and not electric like the auto manufacturers are trying to shove down our throats. Good job on the 2stroke.

[@jlo13800]

4 stroke suck in cars trucks too. It’s outdated

[@mattscott7037]

@@jlo13800 they should make giant 2 strokes. Can you imagine the California air resources board or CARB. They would be going insane. My truck has a 5.5 liter 2 stroke with 650 hp and 400 lbs of torque and has a 3 gallon oil tank for 100:1 premix. Revs 10-13k with a CVT. I would buy one just to have one.

[@jlo13800]

@@mattscott7037 A 2 stroke that big and even sled 2 strokes make a lot of power much lower rpm, the 850 rotax etec is done at 7800 and 5.5l sounds like you have a detroit diesel 2 stroke 6v53! around 318 CID v6 2 stroke diesel. i got an 8v92 silver detroit 2 stroke out back and its 738 CID. The boat i work is the 210ft capt Woodrom that has detroit 2 strokes for aux engines, bow thruster and generators. the main engines are the EMD 16-645 2 stroke diesels which max out at 900 rpm's. All the engines sae40w low ash 2 stroke oil as hundreds of gallons of klotz techniplate would cost to much!

[@mattscott7037]

@@jlo13800 that is awesome. I have heard they have giant industrial 2 strokes. Never heard of anyone who has been around them. Are they easy to work on? Sounds awesome. As far as my fake engine goes. It sounds much better than what it would be on paper. Thanks for the info. Thats so cool.

[@jlo13800]

i would love to redo a fairbanks morse OP 2 stroke with big v-force carbon fiber reed valves or a carbon fiber rotary drum valves. making an arcticat 1716 OP out of 2 858's would involve making liner barrales with inlet ports on one end and exh ports on the other end. Now plumb each v-forece reed crankcase to the inlet ports and the exhaust ports has the other pistons ans amount a sliding power valve moved by the same 2 way servo! tis would make a 1716 laydown OP 2 stroke and turbo for the catylist!

[@lobbyrobby]

I was away from snowmobiles for 20 years. Last year I bought a used 850 Assault. I absolutely loved it. I don't have it anymore and I've always been a Polaris guy but should I ever get another sled Artic cat has me interested.

[@SPCRacing1]

Sounds very impressive. 😀

[@gordonmckay914]

Good video. Excellent information

[@snowtrax]

Thank you!

[@brandon65678]

It makes more sense to increase stroke compared to just running a bigger bore, some manufactures put bigger pistons/cylinder on their short stroke 600 crank and wonder why it’s not reliable you’re putting more stress on the crank and bearings.

[@MintIfYouSquint]

Here's to hoping they turbo it or slap a supercharger on it in the future! Exciting stuff for Cat no doubt. Excited to see how the Catalyst is reviewed this winter and if nay media gets the chance to rip a pre-production model with the 858 in it.

[@davidgervais4039]

I cant see them not offering a stock turbo in a year or 2..just like the other guys they want turbo it the first year model.

[@malcolmwhite6588]

Can you do that I always understood it was nigh on impossible to have any sort of forced induction on a petrol two-stroke

[@andrewtaylor2067]

​@@malcolmwhite6588Ski-doo and Polaris have multiple models avalible with turbos from the factory, been about a year now😂 actually almost all 2-strokes benefit from forced induction besides the incresed complexity...

[@malcolmwhite3567]

@@andrewtaylor2067 interesting I knew you could turbocharge 2 stroke diesels as they don’t utilise crankcase scavenging, so I didn’t realise that you could effectively force induct, two-stroke, gasoline engines

[@jnmason6283]

​@@malcolmwhite3567 The main disadvantage of forced induction on a gasoline 2-stroke is blowing out the fresh fuel/air charge out the exhaust ports. Ski-Doo overcame this by using direct fuel injection with high pressure injectors squirting fuel only when all ports are closed. They also have booster injectors behind the throttle bodies. Polaris uses transfer port injectors and flow patterns that minimize the charge losses but doesn't eliminate it. Arctic Cat's design is in between, with the injectors on the cylinder wall. Modern fuel injected and pinpoint oil injected 2-strokes are much better candidates for boost, but Ski-Doo's direct injection is the cleanest (and more complex) design.

[@MrRev232]

Stoked ! Yay arctic cat

[@aaronmcfee506]

That actuator is for sure for boost

[@anthonyross9276]

man i hope thoise 858's are bulletproof. Go cat go!

[@leeanderson5955]

Ski Doo fan here, but really pleased AC is coming to the party. Would still like to see Yamaha stand alone and get back into the game.

[@jimmywoller7320]

Man… I’ve got some bad news for you brother!

[@stuclen1050]

I hope they got a triple coming next. 🤞

[@joeinmi8671]

Thank God ac is still in the game

[@snowtrax]

💯

[@InvaderSS670]

A push/pull servo like the yamaha triples had in the late 90s, early 2000s.

[@timpetrie8782]

great looking sled and i like the design. I'm interested in the 600.the sled i ride is a 2018 zr 137 limited 800. Where is their a test ride event being held,would love to try one out.this season.

[@scott9696]

nice overview funny on the powervalves that yamaha did in 1998

[@richjensen8965]

2 stroke was great Stihl dose some crazy stuff... I have an olde school Merc 1963 I think 463cc & pistons lay horizontal shoot bring that back center of gravity omg!!!

[@jlo13800]

ACC OP 2 stroke Cummins

[@jlo13800]

ACE

[@felixbergfors]

Finaly Cat Is Stepping up whit a ''850'' class motor soon i think arctic cat will be as dominating of a snowmobile brand as it was in the 90s

[@tylerseabook9423]

It will never be on too again. They are so far behind

[@wasupfool5692]

​@@tylerseabook9423Polaris was almost bankrupt and ready to sell out in the late 80's. SKIDOO jumped to number one with the introduction of the Rev in 2003. So it's never to late

[@donnatheroux6674]

I do hope they come up with a turbo to fit in their… if you can still service your engine.

[@Joeys990]

658 coming right up!

[@weeks350]

I like the fact it’s not a mono jug

[@emmanueldelescaille731]

Arctic cat rules

[@terryattewell5842]

Great video as usual Luke. Seems to me a Cat 650 is next from Cat

[@snowtrax]

Thanks and yeah, that would be awesome!

[@trailblazeratv6306]

Killer motor. Hopefully it'll last a long time in a sled. How many hours are they normally good for ?

[@joeyholthusen6495]

That motor in a wildcat sport utv? Please!

[@dougiep2769]

I’ve rode a 500 two stroke gp bike. I can imagine this moves a sled along nicely.

[@jlo13800]

Scale this engine up to a 858 CID inline 6 2 stroke DFI with exhaust trapping sleeve valves. That you be fun in a big truck!

[@Harpazoed]

How much torque? What’s the power band? My 900ZR was a low rever with electric power if set up right.

[@avz46]

EXCELENT!

[@JonathanGraves-qk7xo]

I need this for my airplane

[@nicolec7290]

Like to have that on a go kart

[@justinpitt8917]

This motor is gonna rip. No doubt about it. I’m a Polaris guy, but I may switch to cat once this motor prices itself. Awesome!

[@jeffpierce3436]

No doubt, you guys are the catalyst that gets me pumped for POW!! I am ready to DOO IT!! 😂

[@brandonkuske4185]

Any word on a four stroke in the new chassis?

[@snowtrax]

Just rumours so far!

[@mikeskidmore6754]

It's less over square if it has a longer stroke .. Two strokes only make power while the rings are above the port windows.. The only difference between the Famous Yamaha RD-350 and RD-400 Motorcycles is that the RD-400 had a longer stroke. You also said they increased a longer bore after saying the bore was the same.. I think you meant the bore is the same and the stroke is longer.. which would make the engine less over square.

[@glenholmgren1218]

Bullseye. Had an RD400 - VERY torquey! Brother had RZ350 with Power Valve …FUN!😮😊

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@glenholmgren1218 I had a 1976 RD-400 for a short time. I still have a 1984 RZ-350

[@marklubecke4854]

Longer bores have gone out of style😂

[@mikeherber8358]

Well; we will see how that goes

[@SnowmobileHomeMovies]

I sincerely hope it is reliable and responsive. Having the most hp is less important. I do expect it to be the "most powerful" NA 850 in peak hp simply because it's the newest. I really hope the 850 Alpha is competitive in weight with Polaris - single rail and the new chassis makes it very possible. Taking the lightweight crown, even by a hair, would be the best thing Cat could ever do for sales, and if they fall short of that after a new engine and all-new chassis, it's a huge missed opportunity and nothing short of a failure. Still could be a great sled though, I'll be eager to test ride one even if it's not the lightest, but the key to sales in the mountain segment is weight.

[@dougiep2769]

Artic Cat should make motorcycles as well.

[@tonn333]

Only three positions for the powervalve? Seems odd

[@dalinpenner9716]

That's one more then all others have

[@annybodykila]

Sounds cool but sleds cost as much as a car, more in some cases.

[@snowtrax]

Depends on the sled and the car...

[@Outdoors-and-Sports]

Can’t wait to see a dyno on the horsepower.

[@glenmallory9982]

Power to weight is everything. You don’t need a 1000cc motor if you keep the weight down.

[@mattteixeira6077]

Why doesn't arctic cat offer 2 stroke turbo trail sled

[@snowtrax]

My guess is they're working on it. Releasing this engine is big news for Cat though. If a turbo's coming, that'll be big news too.

[@downhomeonthefarm6464]

Who will be the first to adapt it to an ultralight aircraft?

[@dskofich]

You could Never get me to part with my money on a first year Arctic Cat Anything! That said, I hope this works out for them.

[@BrettMcNary]

because this hasn't been tested for YEARS and they rushed it out......in the next few years

[@Dooguy]

AMEN>...........truer words never spoken.

[@glenmallory9982]

I don’t think they rush anything out anymore. They need money so it needs to be right. I’ve heard rumors about a new big bore for about 4 years now. Same for a new chassis. COVID shutdowns screwed up American manufacturing so who knows how long this has been in the pipeline? Also I’m seeing perhaps Textron and Old Arctic are finally getting their ducks in a row and moving forward. The sled market is so much smaller now than just 8 years ago. It’s practically dead here in PA. The kids I teach mock sleds as a rich man’s toy only good for two months a year. They are into dirt bikes. We’ve lost three area dealers in ten years. The entire market has moved to mountain riding. Nobody makes a good sled for six grand anymore. We don’t get snow in Coudersport and the central Appalachians like we used to. Even the vintage restoration boom has faded away. It’s very disappointing. When Yamaha merged their operations with Cat I figured it was either a temporary fix or a way to fade out slowly. Because this has happened before. Just most folks these days don’t remember the other great brands that merged or got bought then faded away.

[@sweets3918]

Cute eagle 51

[@carlatamanczyk3891]

I wondered for some time now when AC was coming out with an 850 class motor....

[@terrypikaart4394]

Yamaha had that push pull power valve for many yrs.

[@pj68rt41]

Yes but there is other major design changes that haven't been discussed yet. I'm sure they will be detailed in time.

[@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953]

Put that on a street bike chassis!!

[@Jdogger1979]

isn't the 858 actually 794cc?

[@mattteixeira6077]

I buy aftermarket turbo for arctic cat

[@MonteSBC400]

1000 is the Max. Been there for a 2 stoke. New tech might make it there. New sleds at 858cc. catching up! If a new manufacturer meets 1000. BRP did it years ago. That was a fun sled. It was so fast. 17 years ago. No mention of BRP. Already beat down for next year. Sorry they all try.

[@seanc6754]

Man 170hp in something that small is pretty wild.. there are some 4cyl hondas that dont have that much hp lmao

[@jlo13800]

Those are 4 joke strokes

[@charliepyle1626]

Can they make a motorcycle for Australia------ Please

[@TimberTramp]

Unfortunately knowing cat I am positive that we will be left wanting… they should have gotten rid of the mono-rail! I think bdx was building a 900 off the 600 motor, I’d go that route if a turbo for the 858 isn’t available.

[@duckdestroyer2412]

This engine uses the same Bore but a longer stroke than the 800. Would that not mean they could reuse the pistons (assuming the compression ratio is the same) from the 800 ctec in the 858? Also, I am a little nervous about the servo actuation of the exhaust valves. Would that not be a possible fail point? Compared to something like Ves or Rave valves which are more "mechanical."

[@DaveScottADV]

They would need a different wrist pin height unless they raised the deck height of the cylinders (longer cylinders).

[@duckdestroyer2412]

@@ACatKrom I did not know that

[@midlifemike4916]

Had a zr 800 with the servo. The The problem was the cables get worn out lol

[@yukonjon5964]

@@midlifemike4916 this is a rod not a cable. no spring in this design. its way better.

[@RobBoryckiGolf]

Everyone trying to catch up to skidoo

[@mugger6685]

Nothing to catch up to They aren’t great. They look like crap.

[@TrakSpock1]

Skidoo = revolutionary Isoflex oilless crank bearings which go knock, knock, knock, then boom. Any sucker that buys a Skidoo after the Isoflex crank bearing experiment is a moron. Last time i was in the Upper Peninsula, all the Skidoo riders were sitting at the bar because the temperatures were too low and Skidoo's provide no wind protection.

[@ThisMFINGuy]

I bought an m8 a few years ago and a xx side by side I’ll never buy another cat again!

[@snowtrax]

ok

[@korben8336]

How is man calling the Catylyst “such a well known amazing sled” when we’ve never really even seen it on the snow

[@snowtrax]

Well-known because it controlled the news cycle for the whole season last year. If you ride a sled, you know about the CATALYST. Luke can say it's an amazing sled because he's spent a TON of time on it from the intro, to a whole week evaluating it in the spring.

[@robgoffroad]

I'm a former Arctic Cat guy. But what I noticed is that ever since they moved on from the M-series chassis, their sleds have gotten a LOT heavier. Last I checked they're at least 50 lbs heavier than anything from Polaris. Then there's the issue where you have to snow-check a sled if you want one; no in-season sales. Can't say I'm a fan of that. Frankly, I was expecting them to announce (like Yamaha) that they were going to stop making snowmobiles in the near future. Now don't get me wrong... I look forward to seeing what they come up with.

[@sammue6349]

Yeah, but if you hit a stump with a Polaris the risks of damaging something is waaaaay higher than with the tougher built Cat

[@stevenkurz8202]

My alpha is light and nimble. Also haven't had any rail issues. I will be getting the 2nd year model catalyst if the first year models are sound

[@justinsteinley4093]

I’ll still take my 185hp 850 Turbo R that’s 185 to 10,000ft

[@timtorkelson7201]

Beast!

[@Demidar665]

im sure an old polaris 800 could walk this engine up and down

[@tnort101]

Ctec 2 made 160ish x 1.11 = 177.6 ish thats 9r territory “180” sounds like a lofty goal to reach

[@RoyBurns-v7b]

Still don't think it will be my zrt 800 and my 1000 thundercat with 172 hp stock and more with the psi pipes.

[@lusurama5080]

Arctic cat claimed 165metric hp for their 800, so it would actually be as high as 180 now

[@patriotsfan1236]

it's crazy to me that not a single one of the flagship manufactures are addressing reliability or innovating an improvement in 2 stoke reliability. Look how many people in the comments and on forums are asking for more reliability. who does their market research? do they not understand that most people will take an extra 15-20 pounds for increased reliability. none of the manufactures are really doing anything about it. They all have issues.

[@mikealchin525]

If it was Yamaha built this would be bad ass

[@jromem7313]

Im all for cat but wont be for another 2 years for any reliable reviews and might be 2 little 2 late. Polaris is already on there makeover year and skidoo is refining the gen5. Cat dropped the ball. Id buy one this year if it were available now i wont for another 3 years

[@yukonjon5964]

11% more than 160 is not 170 HP... it's 177.6 HP!

[@wingsanthings7546]

Lighter than 600! I wonder how much more $$$ than the 600. This is what is killing the industry, marketing like this to go bigger/better and more expensive. Resulting in pricing the average consumer out of the market because of rising costs of sleds.

[@midlifemike4916]

2025. Good god. Ill be dead by the next body style.

[@rottweiler9535]

they finally caught up to skidoo with the push pull power valve and 3 positions, everything they did is nothing new, and every year for the past 40 years sleds are always 10 pounds lighter every year but somehow they still weigh 500 pounds, fastest way to go faster is to go on a diet.

[@EC_ATV_Outdoors]

My big question is, why is textron shitting the bed so hard after buying the AC brand? They pretty much killed their ATV market by closing nearly all authorized dealer licenses and then dumbung down the products to slap Tracker brand stickers on them. Seriously, did anybody give a flying F about "Tracker". So why drip an iconic brand name for some specialized department store brand. They would have been better off slappimg a walmart sticker on them. I have the last "AC" Alterra 700, and its as reliable as the KQ 750 i had.

[@mxr248]

Hopefully it’s better than the last few year 2strokes they made. I was on the trails and guys were pissed they were blowing up.. just like some of the old Suzuki motors.

[@snowtrax]

Hear about every brand blowing up from someone or other.

[@mxr248]

@@snowtrax well it was a specific year of Arctic cat cause numerous cat guys were talking about it at the bar..

[@wasupfool5692]

​@@mxr248kind of like the 850 Polaris then 😂 kaboom

[@glenmallory9982]

Probably the old F1000 twin from a long time ago. That sled was fussy and even though it’s been gone for fifteen years plus it’s bad rep follows along. Now how much was truth and how much was people messing with the engine for more speed is debatable. People tend to tinker more with the hot sleds than the trail putt putts. That’s why you’ll see Fan cooled Jags from thirty years ago still powering the kids around just fine and the hot sleds all torn apart in the garage. It’s the nature of people and it’s been that way since the first hot two stroke was put in a Cat.

[@tomcallen2197]

Where’s the turbo????

[@disassterb8]

so what im hearing is skidoo is now number 3 lol

[@snowtrax]

That should get some people fired up 😂

[@mattteixeira6077]

Without turbo cat can't stay up with skidoo or polaris

[@snowtrax]

Sold out of all their 600's and will sell out of every one of these engines too. Sales means they'll continue to innovate. Don't be surprised if you see ongoing evolution from Cat.

[@user-bd5md5cm2j]

Yamaha may not be needed at all. Thats a better motor than the Yami

[@john0270]

as a dealer tech I cant wait to fight cat for tech support and trying to get warranty on a new platform for my customers again...

[@andredegoeij4742]

if you make the stroke longer vs. the previous your are becoming more under-square not over-square....

[@raypara4036]

At the end of the day ...its still just a Cat

[@2jammasta]

Does not look like this will support a factory turbo...

[@snowtrax]

🤷‍♂

[@jasoninglehart3923]

A 2010 Polaris IQr with a engine smaller than a 9r is all i see. Hopefully Cat proves me wrong. Tuff to sell sleds with almost no dealers...

[@gregsouther7293]

Cat's answer to the G4. They are finally catching up to where Ski-Doo was in 2017. Doo and Polaris are so far ahead right now I'm not sure if Cat will ever catch up completely. This new chassis better be good since Cat guy's will still be buying them new in the 2030's

[@blazenamber9176]

You really need a new line, Lol. Your bias is showing again.

[@CalgaryDynastar]

@@blazenamber9176bias being the truth?

[@keifer6]

⁠​⁠@@ACatKromare you forgetting about the lawsuit that doo won against cat regarding the rev chassis vs the proclimb/xf chassis? I still own my old cats and love them, but for many reasons including development, latest and greatest technology, and even availability for the sleds and their parts …AC is over HALF A DECADE BEHIND Polaris and doo. A wise man is loyal to a reliable, superior product and not a brand…

[@blazenamber9176]

@@keifer6 Exactly, so take some of your own advice. You are basically doing that exact thing 🤣🤣

[@blazenamber9176]

@@CalgaryDynastar Yeah, nobody other than Ski doo or Polaris has invented or been the first with something 🙄. Instead of looking at this as a positive, you choose to be a fan boy. Lol.

[@jeffreyhagelin3672]

Seems like poor planning to introduce a new power plant a good year before it's availably.

[@snowtrax]

That's what we said when thy announced the CATALYST really really early. Ended up being all everyone talked about for the whole season.

[@yukonjon5964]

it shows they are desperate to hold on to clientele.

[@bigrob1887]

Is the 11% increase due to clever engineering or just more displacement though? I would argue the extra 58cc has alot to do with that 11%. Yawn.

[@wesdailey9964]

Looks awesome hope they protect the bottom of that block with some serious plastic skid plates could be serious if you found a rock or stump and now the 64 dollar question will they offer a turbo version like the others ????

[@martinsundstrom2021]

No not now at least but maybe in the future