Are 3D Shapes The Future Of Snowboarding?

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In this video I'm snowboarding on Whistler mountain and testing out the new 3D snowboard in the Burton Family Tree Line. The name of the snowboard is the Double Dog and it 's a unique snowboard with 3D contours in the nose and tail but also hydrodynamic channels. The shapes and channel are designed to give you more float in powder snow and also a more surfy ride.

[@BurtonSnowboards]

So much great intel, thanks for the honest review, Kevin! The visual representation of 3D in action ( 6:41 ) is crazy.

[@samherber9490]

Can I have a snowboard?

[@jonahweyant]

Hi burton I ride a burton process 130 kids it carves so well and jump nice job make ing it I love it

[@narrowistheway77]

Please start including a specialized scraper to wax and maintain the base of these boards. That’s my only concern with buying one

[@akselgulsvik]

Would a 3D park board even make sense?

[@maartensskichannel7133]

🔥

[@weeklygolf]

If you think about it Kevin does a lot more walking because he sets the camera up when he walks up the hill goes back and grabs it then goes up again so he can get sweet shots for us (Kevin’s the best)

[@avromynewhouse7259]

I think about this every time and it gives me so much anxiety😂

[@SAINTPONTIUS]

Bataleon is really smashing it with the 3bt tech

[@benjamincupiol4099]

Really have to agree with you there. I've ridden a Lobster Sea Creature for the past few years that has the same tech. It's the best board I've ridden by a long shot

[@HeyItIsDerek]

take a shot every time kevin says "cornice" xD

[@fordphillips5921]

i was thinking the same thing hahaha , 3:00 to 4:00 is the minute drill pregame

[@caspiankai5070]

Aren't they the past at the present also? Bataleon have been making 3BT boards for 17 years. Jones have been doing 3d shaping for a quite a while. More brands are just jumping on the train and calling it new I guess...

[@willnixon1583]

was gonna say this - i had a 3d bataleon board like 15 years ago.

[@fruduroc]

Right! And I remember also the Morrow Spoon

[@mtnvalley9298]

Original Sin /Dynastar made a 3-d speed boat hull swallow tail board in 2000. I sold 'em.

[@quota1100]

Winterstick was doing 3D bases 45 years ago.

[@SeanOzz]

Nice to see some of this tech used for surfing and wake boarding get tried with snow.

[@intertubedude]

I started riding a Jones Mind Expander and it's amazing. I'm cutting fresh lines that nobody else even tries to hit. It floats things you wouldn't think were possible. Mind expanded.

[@narrowistheway77]

I want that new Mind Expander Twin for sure, so rad!

[@lilkae101]

Love all the new innovations in snowboarding over the last few years. Really makes me excited for the future of the sport 🏂

[@kerriepearce263]

Awesome vid again Kev. Great shots. It’s this kind of video that makes me want to buy that board. 🥰

[@jackquinnild9983]

Another amazing video Kevin! Keep up the great work ❤️

[@mycommentpwnz]

this was the first thing that made me smile in a long time. thank you.

[@nicolobolide8616]

Very informative and well put together from stance position to ride feel keep it up 👍

[@jhuyn3]

I really loved how much you talked in this video and explained stuff!

[@darrianfield4365]

Haven’t Bataleon been doing this concept for years??

[@jorgemendozanunez]

Lol as well as the "channel" Powderhul similar to yes. Snowboard that is honestly they better board anyhow. Yes.420ph -20/20 models

[@narrowistheway77]

17 years, yep hahaha

[@jasonirving8829]

You're my inspiration! I love you're videos!!!

[@narrowistheway77]

The only thing that concerns me with the new Burton 3D boards it’s waxing, scraping, and buffing them. I feel like i spend enough time doing all that on a regular base board. These channels seem like a pain in the butt to deal with for maintenance. Other than that, they seem rad. A give and take I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@zach.sorensen]

I’ve got a bataleon party wave and I can confirm, waxing these 3d boards is a bit of a pain forsure.

[@narrowistheway77]

@@zach.sorensen the Bataleon’s are a pain too, yep. But these channels they have running through the Burton 3D’s look like an absolute nightmare for maintenance. I want one, but I want someone else to do the maintenance for me 😂😂😂

[@kaimcguire5086]

@@narrowistheway77 Burton should include a scraper shaped exactly like the channels when you buy one

[@narrowistheway77]

@@kaimcguire5086 I agree!

[@Tych333]

Brushes help make it easier, but yeah a custom scraper would be nice.

[@bertman4]

Looks like so much fun and the choice of music was great!

[@caseymarkham744]

You can literally see the nose plowing the snow with the 3D shape that’s sick

[@powmendozanunez]

You can literally see every snowboard "plow" the snow. Nothing special here

[@caseymarkham744]

@@powmendozanunez just a hater for no reason huh?

[@kvurban1]

@@powmendozanunez ya nothing different here. Classic burton trying to play it off as a big break though. You snowboard long enough you see them for what they are. I coulnt believe my eye when they brought out that channel design. I remember forum having duel channel in 2001/2002

[@narrowistheway77]

I just rode my new K2 Alchemist through deep powder yesterday and although it’s not 3D, I gotta say that the space glass nose made it float in an unreal fashion even when charging full speed down a steep hill into flatter zones. Never once saw the nose sink with only a 6mm taper too. So I’d say these companies should focus less on 3D and focus more on making their noses extremely lightweight like K2 is now doing on their new Alchemist 🙌🏼

[@narrowistheway77]

@@kvurban1 I know right?! They always adapt something someone else did and call it a breakthrough. Pretty sure their biggest advancement they pioneered independently since the 1980’s was the infinite ride and now a bunch of companies do the same thing and call it something else. Bataleon started the 3D snowboard designs 17 years ago and several companies have done it since. In typical Burton fashion they’re doing theirs over the top and making maintenance on their bases a nightmare for the owners 😂

[@chockley08]

Just rode flute bowl a few days ago, basically took the exact same line haha awesome!

[@nynoah]

Those were some amazing cinematic shots. Mad props to the film crew.

[@backcountryfreerider8512]

these videos are amazing!!!!!

[@zacharyrhodes5157]

Great video as always

[@keathmueller3252]

What a great line! So awesome

[@mikenedos]

I just got the Jones mind expander for my powder board. I love the float and i agree that the 3D shaping seems to really help. I just got back from Telluride and getting back to the condo requires you to take blacks and double blues or an extremely flat trail. It’s my first rocker board and definitely took a few runs to get used too. Lol! The first black i did with it was really sketchy but got better after a few runs. I definitely feel more comfortable and feel like i have way more control on my camber boards...specially the Arbor Bryan Iguchi Pro Camber. It too has lifted contact points, which come in handy when your legs are shot after a long day. It’s way harder to catch an edge when you are getting lazy with your turns. I will definitely have to look more into this board. 👍

[@carsonsiegenthaler7765]

Wow😍 what a beautiful board

[@ss_clan4325]

I learned a lot of things for you guys

[@Mark_Parmesan]

burton family tree line looks sick. I want to try the sensei

[@ellstackeradventures]

Yewww

[@MichaelMarvin]

The Sensei is a highly specific pow board. Done it's long and skinny, it's pretty much only good for bombing down steep, open pow. Not great for make turns.

[@thomaswaldron3865]

board rips

[@th3oryO]

@@MichaelMarvin nah. It has a 247mm waist width on the 161cm which is somewhat narrow but not crazy, it's not really intended for people with size 12+ feet. It's a full camber pow deck, seen before and will carve just fine if your feet are the right size. A snowboard that can't turn shouldn't exist, that's the whole point of the sport. Or else buy a sled

[@MichaelMarvin]

@@th3oryO I mean, there's a difference between making turns on the wide open mountain and making technical slashes through the trees. This is not a tree board, and most pow that you're going to find in-bounds in America is going to be glades. I would much prefer the Hometown Hero to the Sensei if you're looking for a pow board for most American resort riding. If you're doing big mountain back country in bottomless pow, then go nuts with the Sensei.

[@berniesmittens9682]

Great review for an awesome board! I rode it and it's super fun, also remarkably light! I thought the same regarding the size though: I wish it came in like 166W or so - I would buy it instantly!

[@SnowboardProCamp]

Yeah, for me the 164 would be perfect!

[@Qurph1]

I have the 164 & am liking it. Too bad the reviewer didn't get any sustained steep/deep turn rhythm because this board is a total dolphin! By far the squirtiest board out of turns I've ridden. That tail channel seems to cause this. The nose goes "through" deep pow as opposed to riding "on" it like my other pow shapes. Feels better & more poetic in pow after I moved bindings back about 3/8" from REF's. How to wax 3d: Rub wax bar over entire (room temp) base, carefully iron just enough to melt, use green scrubby scotch pad to rub off excess wax.

[@chuzzwade288]

Wow! That run is definitely worth the hike 🤙🏼

[@SnowboardProCamp]

Mellow hike for a super fun untouched run!

[@4wheelfan365]

I just picked up a Nidecker Alpha and I am loving it. I'm a believer in the 3D shape.

[@SnowboardProCamp]

Awesome! 3D is the future!

[@SearchofSnowboarding]

That board is so much fun!

[@thatonekid7064]

Yooo that’s sick

[@batiksurf5801]

Makes sense, surfboards are shaped. Exciting to see what kind of gear improvements will be coming in the future.

[@jasondesignmedia7495]

That board sounds awesome

[@scottap30bot]

I like how you can see the spray flying out the back, that looked awesome. 🤙🏻 It's different because oth base colour to actually see the sections, but i assume it's similar to the base of my global warmer triple base tech, but designed for plowing pow? 👍🏻

[@LouieGonzalezGolf]

The right mitt commentating is undefeated😂 looks so funny

[@isaiahsmith4735]

love the content

[@ellstackeradventures]

I think they are the future for sure

[@mackie_p]

Looks like you picked the perfect day for some solo runs!!

[@inmotion_snow]

great to see the bindings fit in burton's channel system

[@Jon-Chan]

Great review, any chance of reviewing something a little more affordable like the Jones Frontier. I think it makes for a good all rounder for those who can only ride one board a season. Thanks!🙏👍

[@will21]

Had the split frontier... Not a very good board. It's like a floppy noodle to me. It's like 1 sheet of fiberglass and plastic.

[@hawaiinsurferx]

Hell yea, so cool!! Glad they are trying out different shapes! I don't own a board, lmk if you have any you don't want (;

[@liquidnoiseinc.995]

Thanks Kevin. I wish I could get out there this season but I'l have to wait, like most. I'm wondering, I don't see in your gear list, how are you filming yourself? Thanks again!

[@jeffowen-hicks3286]

How was the flex? How quick is it edge to edge? How much set back did you use? Sounds like you really liked the 3D shaping in pow. How was it on groomers/hard snow? Could this be a daily driver or is this a board for deep days only? How does it compare to the Jones Stratos? So many questions. So little time. Thanks for the review.

[@BboymaYnard0]

Nice!! What type of 360 camera are you using?

[@alexgoodcatsf]

Didn’t Gilson came up with this a while ago? ( channels on the bottom ) And Battalion has been doing 3D for years now too

[@grabslide]

I really like it i think it would be better if the flat part was even wider plus I love Wallie noses,but I'm curious about convex noses in the middle of the board kinda like surf longboards

[@BurtonSnowboards]

3D tech dates back to the 90's - a lot of companies (including us) have been playing with 3D for decades :)

[@paulperry6485]

Yea, I have a gilson. It's a fun board to ride to change things up

[@Nizzon.]

@@BurtonSnowboards But Bataleon really took it to the next level with their tbt/3bt starting early 2000.

[@brookpoulsen7198]

Winterstick snowboards (Dimitrije Milovich/Milosports Utah) was doing it in the "80's if not earlier. Learned on a Burton backhill, rode the Pow on a Winterstick Roundtail Plus....shout out to both companies!

[@jackmacleod4749]

Holy man that boards insane

[@evanstott]

looks epic

[@George-hc6yf]

Can you test the Jones Solution split vs the Orca split and give your thoughts on the 3D contour base and how the Orca rates as a splitboard?

[@liamquigg4042]

Kevin I might go to Whistler next year can i make a vid with you

[@AbnerLi]

When I see 3D Pow board, I immediately think of my Bataleon Party Wave+!

[@Bad_Riders]

I would argue that yes there is a possibility but there is always a massive market for more traditional shapes. You only to look at the camber vs rocker argument to see how snowboard trends work

[@fudhater8592]

Thanks for the review. Can you tell us how it felt in the non-powder (groomers, packed pow)?

[@SLCaptur3]

8:04

[@rufuss76]

If you could demo the Salomon dancehaul I’d be super grateful. Thinking about it for next season. Good man. Cheers 👍🏻

[@matthewcaulfield4371]

Hi Kevin. Did the stiffness of the board effect the ride?

[@CephBacon]

I'm really interested to see more fiberglass inserts in the nose and tail like the K2 Alchemist. It's becoming a popular technology in skis and I can see it having a lot of benefit for lowering weight and making turns and floating easier.

[@ThomasWilliamBartley]

It sounds like you're describing the Jones Hovercraft. They've had a 3D nose with lift edges, and a channel in the tail, too. The technology between the two boards seems really similar. What's the difference you've noticed between the Burton Double Dog vs. the Jones Hovercraft?

[@TonyScimeca]

How did this feel in the trees compared to the Orca? Is it as snappy on those quick corner turns?

[@lucassoboil4100]

You should try flow bindings or the burton step in’s

[@Edward-yf3hp]

What size board did you test? You said you would go bigger size next time

[@timho4386]

Kevin, how does something like this compare to the Orca?

[@dilipsatheesan5361]

This might be a noob question, but what kind of go pro/selfie stick do you use? And how do you make it disappear in edits? If you are using a GO Pro, does the software automatically erase it?

[@KevinGChiu]

How do you get the white color of the double dog?

[@ericmoelker3489]

How would it affect waxing the board

[@andrewhollenbach7330]

Forum made a Destroyer Double Dog. I have it and won't stop riding it until i find an exact replacement.

[@brijnich]

influences from wake and kiteboards in developing the ideas of channelling effectively water through the board and out the other end.

[@jake4297]

Is it good for park?

[@peterstorto6555]

Deep daze review please as that looks like it's got even funkier 3d contouring.

[@Putzinator]

Can anyone confirm if this is the GoPro Max? Been debating on getting one and could barely see the seams.

[@CanadianBigGame]

Review the GNU riders choice 2021 c2 camber please

[@severed6s]

2:24 hiking up that hill only to hike down and grab the camera. that's dedication

[@adamremus3701]

The Backseat Driver is also 3D. Great pow surfer!

[@slck9404]

Hey Kevin, video suggestion for you... Can you show us how you edit your video and how you edit with the gopro max? I would love to see your process of things.

[@elquixotedelascanarias]

It's like rocker 10+ years ago. It provides a different experience, but by no means the sole future.

[@TheBacontarian]

Woulda been nice to compare how it feels to a battaleon 3D board. You want a bigger board? I want a smaller board for getting thru the trees easier

[@peterblair3814]

Can you do a howl mittens review?? Please my dude

[@strickon]

Kevin, this or the Jones Stratos? They seem to be in the same family. Hoping to make it back to whistler this year.

[@realestatewizard78]

They’ve been doing this for decades on surfboards. Makes sense they’re finally putting this channel technology in snowboards

[@jordankeller5299]

A bit off topic, but what helmet is he using

[@sweatyyeti1193]

Would love to see some more lobster boards for reviewing!

[@remingtons4607]

2:27 looks like someone is filming alongside him, that camera is nuts

[@mathewmaleki7531]

Still waiting for bat SURFER!!!!

[@zachp2389]

How do you wax and scrape if the bottom is not flat?

[@KapitanPisoar1]

Not very easily...

[@P02704]

What song is that at the beginning?

[@factorynew6357]

Thought these came in a black and red base? Next year's colours??

[@lowman2339]

that 3D shape kind of reminds me of something... a ski.

[@andrewbell2739]

Kevin (and even fellow riders), I'm in the market for a new snowboard and am currently overwhelmed with the amount of options!! I've been ripping a burton custom (2018 camber) for the last several seasons and want something more forgiving in the trees . I just find it damn near impossible to shed speed and having a bigger foot forces me to hop into a mid wide 156. I'd love to hop on something that's short/nimble that will allow me to navigate easier and turn on demand when needed. The two board's I've been eyeing are: 1) the orca and 2) the Burton Family Tree 3D Deep Days. Do you find that one of these boards are more nimble or easier to cut speed than the other - based on your experience riding both. Hell i'll take any recommendations for boards that y'all have found to be fun ripping through glades. I'm just tired of struggling through trees with the board I have right now. Seems to me that rocker dominant boards are the way to go for what I demand. ps... sorry for the short novel lmao. Would greatly appreciate ANYONE'S input.

[@CenoWick]

I bought a 3-D Fish and my Powder Riding improved by at least 100%. It is so nimble and easy to control the on the Blues and I even spent time on Blacks that I never felt comfortable on before.

[@alexgrandmaison620]

Thanks to Warburton and the Yes boys for pioneering this idea for a few years now!

[@KazimirCody]

WarBURTON???

[@matthewcheung5136]

Have you tried the home town Hero?

[@taqveerdoha3609]

Was this taken yesterday? I'm pretty sure I saw you then

[@leisonbernstein2972]

So similar to modern surfboard design!

[@johanntheodore]

Are there any issues or concerns that come up when waxing a 3D board or is it just the same old iron, scrape and brush?

[@KapitanPisoar1]

Yeah they suck to scrape the wax of

[@CenoWick]

I had no problems Waxing my 3-D Fish. It takes a bit more time but it’s so great in the POW that I don’t feel put out over the extra 5 or so minutes that Waxing it takes.

[@nickmartiello2408]

Could you do the k2 secret weapon. It looks like rainbow sherbet.

[@SnowboardProCamp]

Need to get my hands on some K2 boards!

[@lukasvrana6388]

I tested Bataleon and its not for me - its not black and white, its when you change geometry, some paramentres are better and some are worse. With 3D shape you loose a little bit of control (you need to have lower angle to turn because edges are a little bit up) but you will not have problems when buttering etc. At powder - can be nice (I tested just the slopes). It was the same with camber/rocker (and I use them both, fun board and long agressive 169cm camber for carving). I dont like the feeling at the slopes (speaking about bataleon) because of carving. As a fun board, why not. So its not that everybody will use it, its another category added to the quiver :)

[@mwlagana]

Jones ahead of the game

[@noaillikainen8762]

Does anyone have some tips for me on toeside slowing down. I just started snowboarding.

[@Mr--Pineapple]

Strengthen your legs and commit

[@kita1318]

I recognized Whistler the second I saw it. I went one year and it was amazing. Wish I could go

[@renatofonte]

Bataleon all the way.

[@jorgemendozanunez]

Bataleon- yes. Snowboard- salomonsnowboards >>>Burton

[@slade8759]

Bataleon is the OG 3D board company, annoying to see a big brand like Burton claiming it as their own and gentrifying it. 3BT for life

[@jorgemendozanunez]

@@slade8759 lol yup. My point . Meanwhile you have those getting mad for stating facts ...

[@emartinezr]

@@slade8759 When did Burton claim 3D as their own? Also, Bataleon doesn't do 3D shaping in the same way... they only lift the edges, this is actually a powder/hydrodynamic 3D shape. not that Bataleon's is bad, just that this is something slightly different.

[@didac10100]

Wtf? Do you enjoy snowboarding or snowbranding?

[@rubenflores7473]

What snowboard boots you have ?

[@SnowboardProCamp]

Adidas Lexicon Tactical Adv . They are sweet!

[@rubenflores7473]

@@SnowboardProCamp ,Thanks for answering my question, I am subscribed to your channel and thanks to Kevin because you have been my instructor since my first day of snowboarding. 🙏

[@goodridevibes]

Absolutely dreamy conditions out there on a brand new board? Is there anything better in the world? 🏂