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Jimmy Conrad, Charlie Davies and Tony Meola discuss if the USMNT are still kings of CONCACAF after a disappointing Copa America campaign!
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@CEOredgrad Ай бұрын

Canada had a favorable path? USA had PANAMA and BOLIVIA?!?!? Charlie Davies talking a load of rubbish here, on what is he basing the USA being #1 in concacaf exactly? What players would the USA take from Canada? Davies, David, Larin, Kone, Shaffleberg, Bombito, Eustaquio, Johnston, Crepeau, Buchanan. You take a best 11 and there are more Canadian players than USA players. Man o Man, the delusion is real with USA fans, and maybe that is part of the problem.

@former2u Ай бұрын

yes, agree with everything you said ....I suppose every country is biased towards their own, but these guys are not making sense. ..BUT, Canada still needs to beat the US in a tournament to prove themselves as the top team. Its only a matter of time though, Canada players are much more passionate than American players and at least equal in talent. They are finally starting to play soccer like Canada plays hockey. Aggressive and relentless.

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

@@former2u We have beaten them; we beat them in WC Qualifying, we beat them in the Gold Cup. It just hasn't been consistent.

@pollodecoche Ай бұрын

Ahh he’s just a homer. Means nothing. He’s delusional.

@nicolebrown5987 Ай бұрын

@@CEOredgrad I co sign this as an American!!! Nothing but facts

@nicolebrown5987 Ай бұрын

We just realize that Canada proved the US to be wrong? That you can get results with a different manager??? This is annoying and I write ✍️ this as American! They played Argentina 2x!!!!! They played Venezuela 🇻🇪! This elitism that US Soccer has needs to go! We would have been embarrassed by Argentina and Venezuela 🇻🇪

@andrewsantosguzman8855 Ай бұрын

What???

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

@@andrewsantosguzman8855 What she wrote was exceedingly clear.

@gburbridge5966 Ай бұрын

Coming from an Canadian fan I have to say I am very happy you said this

@nicolebrown5987 Ай бұрын

@@gburbridge5966 It’s ridiculous! We need to take the L and find a coach who can get us results. Where’s Herve??? Yet, people are talking about Southgate??? England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 hated him!!! Why do we want him??? Regardless, Canada 🇨🇦 shocked the world!!!! The 🌎!!! We can’t be like this when we’re talking about sports.

@nicholasbelok5376 Ай бұрын

After watching how canada played that 3rd place game against Uruguay vs how USA played against them solidifies a bit more leaning in Canada's favor.

@superikura2453 Ай бұрын

Favorable group? The US had Panama and Bolivia and Chuck saying Canada had a favorable group and path to the semis is laughable.

@user-qo4ph8zm2l Ай бұрын

So the same argument that Canada didnt perform at WC with two semi finalists in Morroco and Croatia is now used against them when they got out of the Copa group?They then beat Venezuela in a hostile stadium. Anyone who thinks Iran and Wales are better than Chile and Peru doesnt watch football. Maybe eat your humble pie Golazo and started calling out your players for not performing. The USA only performs at home (look up the away record) except at this tournament.

@nicolebrown5987 Ай бұрын

🎤 drop

@DrGlow-te3oy Ай бұрын

Just a bit but hurt about Canada not getting grouped

@Jaco059 Ай бұрын

Well maybe if you ever won a championship we’d consider you kings

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

@@Jaco059 We've won the Gold Cup, and we've beaten you by winning the World Cup qualifying tournament in 2022.

@DrGlow-te3oy Ай бұрын

@@Jaco059Give your head a shake

@747Cone Ай бұрын

You guys just named Davies, Buchanan, David, Schaffelberg, Kone, and Crepeau as players you’d take on the US team. That’s 6 players off the top of your heads. 6 of 11…. US still best in CONCACAF….? Hmmmm

@Jake-mf4rv Ай бұрын

United States had a more favorable path than Canada

@AvroBellow Ай бұрын

No, we didn't have to face Uruguay or Colombia... We just had to face Argentina... TWICE! Yeah, having to face the WORLD CUP CHAMPIONS twice is a REALLY favourable path. The Jingoism is strong with this one.

@CJBouhlal Ай бұрын

Numbers don't lie. If Canada reached the Semifinal of Copa America then heck yeah they are the best in Concacaf. Until the USMNT takes back the leadership in Concacaf we have to accept that Canada is No1

@desandrade7927 Ай бұрын

I realize the argument that USA is still NUMBER 1 is for arguments sake. The knock out may have more difficult on the USA side because Argentina deserves an easier path. The thing is THAT THE USA NEVER GOT TO THE KNOCKOUT STAGE! Let's also just level set and agree that the USA was given flat straight shot at landing a first or second spot in their group and it should have been a no-brainer to win. Panama had other ideas. So, the order is Canada, Panama, USA, Mexico.

@nicholasbelok5376 Ай бұрын

I dont understand the easy path argument, USA had bolivia and one of the lower concacaf teams in their group panama. At this point Canada is #1 until the USA can prove otherwise. Dont forget Canada had Argentina in their group and in the semis what rank is Argentina again?

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

The level of nationalism is so strong that it's attached to their internal sense of security. He literally feels insecure at the notion of Canada being as strong or stronger than the US, so he rejects it out of turn by using largely irrational argument. That's what belief systems are, a hedge against what we fear most subconsciously.

@davidgodoy826 Ай бұрын

Yes they are😊 👑 Canada 🇨🇦 played with balls

@THenry1412 Ай бұрын

They looked great in the Copa but come on. They need to win a Concacaf tournament before they can claim themselves as kings. They haven't won anything in 24 years.

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

@@THenry1412 The ConcacAF WQ qualifiers are a tournament, and Canada won it in 2022.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

@@THenry1412, all of the CONCACAF' tournaments, are played on the U.S. home soil. 95% of the U.S. matches are played with a HUGE homefield advantage. Canada only plays at home for about 15% of their matches. The last time that it was a fair home & away tournament, was in the 2022 qualifiers for the World cup & the U.S. tied 4th place Costa Rica for points & Canada beat both the U.S. & Mexico & was #1. The Gold cup is hardly a barometer, as many of CONCACAF''s best players don't participate. Canada was the runner-up in the 2023 Nations cup, despite the fact that the team was struggling back then, due to serious organizational union issues & their coach left the team. Oh yeah & USA once again had home field advantage in both of those tournaments.

@Khaleel587 Ай бұрын

Brotha you had Bolivia and Panama to get out of the group???? And we’re talking about a favourable path? Of course overall it was better we had Argentina, US had Uruguay and you couldn’t even get the bare minimum

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

Kaleel587, Then Canada's very young secondary squad totally outplayed Uruguay's veteran team tonight in the Bronze game. Canada lost a heartbreaker in penalties; but Canada's young players should have won 4-2.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

Chuck is dead wrong! Are you going to tell me that the U.S. didn't have the easiest path to the next round, with Panama & the worst team in the Copas, Bolivia??? Whether he liked the Canadian strategy or not, they won. Canada also won the 2022 qualifiers, while the U.S. tied 4th place Costa Rica for points. Unfortunately Canada ended up in the 'Group of Death' in that World cup. Where is your proof that the U.S. is better? What the Gold cup, when many of the best CONCACAF players don't participate? Or the Nations cup when Canada made it to the finals, when they were having union issues & losing their coach? By the way, in both of those tournaments, the U.S. has had a HUGE advantage of playing in their home field. As a matter of fact, the U.S. has homefield advantage in 95% of their matches, not counting Friendlies. Canada plays at home 15% of the time. If that happened in any other sport, people would scream bloody murder & it would never be acceptable at all; but FIFA is not about being credible, or fair, as it is all about money. I would gladly stack up Canada's top 7 players (Davies, David, Buchanan Eustaquio,, Kone, Johnston, who was outstanding in Copa & Shaffelburg); over the U.S. top 7 & Crepeau is better than the U.S. Keepers too. Somehow Chuck, the U.S. media, fans & podcasters have the delusional belief that their players are much better than they really are. Well, prove it!!! For now, the Canadians definitely are the Kings of CONCACAF & they did it on U.S. soil. The U.S. has performed poorly when they have played in fair home & away tournaments (2018 & 2022 qualifiers) & it looks like they won't be challenged on the road again until 2030...

@ErynQuentery Ай бұрын

Canada had a group of death at the World Cup and at Copa. Look how how far Croatia and Morocco went at WC and Belgium was eliminated with them. Argentina Peru Chile Venezuela and Uruguay at Copa.. Canada was the best team in every Copa match they played except vs Argentina.

@1972dsrai Ай бұрын

Canada is the top team right now, but its a mediocre federation with most mediocre opposition tbh. Mexico is the most disappointing considering its rich history and some world class players over the years. This current Mexico team easily has to be the worst ever. None of its players play outside of Mexico or the MLS which tells you all you need to know about how far its fallen off.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

1972dsrai, you said that CONCACAF' is mediocre; but after the top 4 teams in Conmebol, the top teams in CONCACAF' are as good or better than the rest. Canada's secondary youth squad just outplayed the veteran Uruguay team for the vast majority of the bronze Copa match today. Unfortunately they lost in penalties; but they should have won by at least 4-2 & that is CONMEBOL's 4th best team. Hell, Canada played Argentina tough in both their matches too. Yes, Mexico has fallen; but Canada has basically taken their place. Panama & Costa Rica are improving too & if Jamaica could get their act together, they are also very talented. We'll see how the U.S. come out if all this, after they will have their new coach for a while.

@bibleberean-qr5iw Ай бұрын

Is Charlie Davies that ignorant? Come on, man! Canada was in a very difficult group with Argentina, Peru, and Chile. The United States had a more favourable group with Bolivia, Panama, and Uruguay. Fortunately, for Canada, they got out of the group thanks to a gutsy win against Peru, and a draw against Chile after losing to Argentina. Unfortunately, for the Americans, one stupid action from Tim Weah cost his team a chance to go to the knockout stage. I totally disagree with Canada being the "kings of CONCACAF." Until they beat the USMNT on American soil-a feat they have not accomplished since 1957-and win the Gold Cup, please don't crown them kings of the region.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

@bibleberean, the U.S. plays 95% of their matches on home soil & Canada about 15%, due to a money hungry FIFA & CONCACAF'. We are not talking ancient history. When the U.S. played CONCACAF countries fairly, with home & away matches, the U.S. didn't qualify for the 2018 World cup & in the 2022, they tied 4th place Costa Rica for points & Canada was #1. Unfortunately Canada's pool in that World cup was the 'Group of Death'. Just for the record, the U.S. has not beaten Canada in Canada in over 27 years... Given what just occurred in the Copas, in addition to the Qualifiers, it is only fair to say that Canada is for now, the King of CONCACAF.

@RaySmith79 Ай бұрын

We do not want the title. We would rather finish 4th or compete at a World Cup. Then to be king of concacaf. We just love the way we play the game and hope to continue to grow. We do not need this title nor want it. Message approved by man dem.

@alexissvetrev Ай бұрын

If this result helps Canada keep all potential Canadian players that are currently playing for their own country's national teams, I assure you Canada would be a top world class soccer team. We need a few more of these results and then people ask themselves " is it worth staying with the Canadian team" and if the answer is yes, Canada has more than enough talent

@nannersguyaners2745 Ай бұрын

Players have to prove themselves to managers - full stop. So if Tüechel is the choice - then Pulisic has to prove he can be of use to the team - etc. What the heck wld be wrong with that? Honestly, a bit of hunger and discomfort for this team would serve them well…if that’s what it takes to get better - to win…

@1972dsrai Ай бұрын

Don’t think Klopps wife would be too happy if he took the job after leaving Liverpool saying he wanted a break to spend quality time with his family and do some travelling. I don’t think he’s taking any job for at least a year.

@desandrade7927 Ай бұрын

Could a national team manager weave in more off time than a club manager?

@danielkristjanson630 Ай бұрын

HAHAHAHA, Copa harder!

@tenorref Ай бұрын

Not Johnston? He shut that side down, took a head butt and didn’t flop on the ground in fake pain: he stayed standing like a real man! By the way, who says any of the CMNFT wants to play on the US team? Conversely, which members of the U.S. team would Canada want? The enlarged egos would suffocate the locker room, right? Think about it. You have to leave “me” at the door to get a team to work.

@Sid-gu5qk Ай бұрын

Yeah, good for Johnston, the flopping is so pathetic and embarrassing.

@RaySmith79 Ай бұрын

Canada World Cup had 2 semifinlaist. Canada copa america had the winner of the entire tourney. Again, I do not want this title. I would rather want my team to compete when the time comes. When Gold Cups does nothing for any team that wins it.

@Buckshot99 Ай бұрын

The US plays 90% of their games at home.

@mariodelucia2460 Ай бұрын

Favourable path to the Semi???

@Scotty80C Ай бұрын

Jimmy, nice backdrop

@ryanbyrnes4336 Ай бұрын

Easier path? We had Argentina our group! Peru not Panama. Chile not Bolivia!

@The_Makr_ Ай бұрын

What have they ever done in gold cup?

@rafaeleisenkraft8741 Ай бұрын

we won it in 2001. How many Gold Cups has the US won outside of the US?

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

Makr, the U.S. permanent home field advantage Gold cup is a nice little practice tournament & fun to win; but most of the best CONCACAF players don't even participate in it.

@djknox2 Ай бұрын

This Kings of Concacaf conversation is stupid. I'm a Canadian but I know where the teams all stand in terms of form and results. The top 8 are in order: USA - MEXICO - CANADA - PANAMA - COSTA RICA - JAMAICA - HONDURAS - EL SALVADOR. The next 4 are very close and debatable: Guatamala, Trinidad, Haiti, Martinique, Curacao. However, having said that, the steps between all of these adjacent levels are not large. The one thing that Americans and Mexicans must understand is that they play a LOT of tournaments in a home-like environment whereas the other five are playing mostly on the road. Take a look at the ELO rankings and you will see this...

@ashen_BA-Pillman Ай бұрын

As a USMNT fan you guys surpassed Mexico. You guys are 2nd behind us Big respects tho

@djknox2 Ай бұрын

@@ashen_BA-Pillman Maybe. Maybe not. Clearly the US has been winning all the recent silverware, indicating that they can reliably prevail against Canada, Mexico and Panama. Canada has performed well against Panama, but the record between Mexico and Canada is quite thin since Qatar qualifying, where Canada edged out Mexico. The next Nations League and Gold Cup should be very interesting. What makes the question difficult is the home and away nature of soccer. Very tough to travel to Mexico and beat them. And the US is like a 2nd home to Mexico, and so Canada playing in the US is an away match against not only the US, but also Mexico. In fact, it's an away game against many Latin American sides who have large fan bases in the US. The only true indicator of supremacy would need to be home and away matches against each competitor in a tournament format, and the last time CONCACAF did that was the Qatar qualifying where Canada came out on top. We consistently have lost to the USA since, but always on US soil, so the USMNT's supremacy always has an asterisk beside it. Unfortunately, CONCACAF won't have another true tournament until 2030 World Cup qualifying. If the next NL finals and the next Gold Cup were held in Canada, or Mexico, are you confident the US would still come out on top? I'm not so sure but will give them the benefit of the doubt as I have no proof to the contrary because those tournaments are now always held in the USA.

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

Except that wasn't how the last qualifying tournament ended, in 2022. It was as much a round-robin tournament as any other. The only difference was, unlike the Gold Cup, the US had to play away legs. And we beat them. So I wouldn't be so certain. Historically, sure. Now? No, probably not. The US has a lot playeers who are supposed to be impressive; problematically a fair number of them are either backups at their club or playing in the Championship.

@djknox2 Ай бұрын

@@lowellthomson1958 There's been 3 tournaments since the world cup, and the USA won two of them and Mexico one. That's a pretty good indication of the past 2 years...

@xboscarx Ай бұрын

They have 1 trophy please be for real

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

History means nothing in a present-day tournament. The US beating up on St. Kitts for most its last decade and getting essentially byes through to the Gold Cup semi-final is not the impressive feat you think it is. The US has beaten the same number of top 25 clubs in the last five years that Canada has, which is zero.

@Coach_pena Ай бұрын

No.

@jeffreyc309 Ай бұрын

I’m not hating but Canada have to win something to be King of the region.

@Stilez Ай бұрын

They win a gold cup.

@ashen_BA-Pillman Ай бұрын

@@Stilez24 years ago

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

We won the WC Qualifying tournament. -- which is home and away legs, therefore less advantageous to the US than the Gold Cup -- two years ago.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

I'll repeat what I posted above: The U.S. fans & media & podcasters conveniently leave out the fact that the 2 tournaments that you always mention are only played in the USA. The U.S. team has a huge homefield advantage in 95% of their matches. Canada plays at home only 15% of the time. No other professional sport would allow such a massive advantage. The Gold cup is a nice little tournament; but a lot of the best players in CONCACAF' don't participate in it, so it's not really relevant to this discussion & the U.S. had homefield advantage. Despite the U.S, once again, having homefield advantage, Canada was the runner-up in the 2023 Nations League cup, even though they were struggling that year with huge organizational union issues & coach Herdman leaving the team. The only really fair CONCACAF tournament was the Qualifiers for the World cup, in which all teams play home & away games. The U.S. struggled with the away games, as they did when they didn't qualify in 2018 too. Anyway in 2022, the U.S. finished the qualifiers tied in points with 4th place Costa Rica & Canada beat both the U.S. & Mexico & was #1. So let's look at the CONCACAF tournaments that actually mattered since 2022. Canada was #1 in the only fair competition, the Qualifiers in 2022 & the U.S. tied the 4th place team. In 2023, with homefield advantage, the U.S. won the Nations cup; but Canada was the runner-up & in the finals. In 2024 Copa Americas, when the U.S. once again had the huge homefield advantage, got knocked out in the 1st round, when they were clearly in the easiest group. Canada made it to the semi-finals. If you look at the real facts, it is clear that for now, Canada is definitely the King of CONCACAF.

@ErynQuentery Ай бұрын

🇨🇦 > 🇺🇸 🇲🇽

@bobbydrex5268 Ай бұрын

No if they were they would've won the nations league

@luckymark571 Ай бұрын

Blud said nations league 😂

@bobbydrex5268 Ай бұрын

@@luckymark571 What other comps are there for Canada to prove they're the best in the region? Congrats you made it to the semis in one tournament. USMNT has dominated you forever. Am I jealous Canada has Jesse? Yes lol. But they're not the kings of Concacaf, with Jesse they could be but lets see who the USMNT gets too.

@rafaeleisenkraft8741 Ай бұрын

@@bobbydrex5268 US wins Nation League on home soil. If you don't think that's relevant, why did you lose the last two times you came up to Canada?

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

LOL, we didn't even send half our first team to the Nation's League, due to injuries and commitments. The last tournament anyone cared about -- because no serious football fan takes Nations League seriously -- was the World Cup Qualifier in 2022. And we beat you then.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

@JK-kn9ns Ай бұрын

You can't claim to be the Kings of Concacaf until you actually play against teams in Concacaf, so Canada is going to have to wait to see whether they are or not until they play USA and Mexico.

@lowellthomson1958 Ай бұрын

We beat the US and Mexico in 2022 in the World Cup Qualifying Tournament, with basically the same teams. What are you talking about!?

@JK-kn9ns Ай бұрын

@@lowellthomson1958 Tell me... has Canada won a Gold Cup or Nations League since then? How are you going back 2 years to a win by Canada, completely overlooking the USA win in '23, as well as tournament results since then (btw Canada didn't even make it out of group at World Cup. How about we just cancel out USA copa run with Canada horrendous world cup run, huh?), and are trying to claim that Canada has anything to say against the US? Just because the US lost in Copa and Canada had a great run, in addition to a win 2 years ago does not make them kings of Concacaf. What are YOU talking about!? Go and win a Gold Cup or Nations League first. Unbelievable.

@JK-kn9ns Ай бұрын

@@lowellthomson1958 No Gold Cup, no Nations League Champ. Win something in Concacaf, then talk. You also brush over the loss to the US in '23. That's convenient.

@jrcanuck1 Ай бұрын

@@JK-kn9ns, you conveniently leave out the fact that the 2 tournaments that you mentioned are both only played in the USA. The U.S. team has a huge homefield advantage in 95% of their matches. Canada plays at home only 15% of the time. No other professional sport would allow such a massive advantage. The Gold cup is a nice little tournament; but a lot of the best players in CONCACAF' don't participate in it, so it's not really relevant to this discussion & the U.S. had homefield advantage. Despite the U.S, once again, having homefield advantage, Canada was the runner-up in the 2023 Nations League cup, even though they were struggling that year with huge organizational union issues & coach Herdman leaving the team. The only really fair CONCACAF tournament was the Qualifiers for the World cup, in which all teams play home & away games. The U.S. struggled with the away games, as they did when they didn't qualify in 2018 too. Anyway in 2022, the U.S. finished the qualifiers tied in points with 4th place Costa Rica & Canada beat both the U.S. & Mexico & was #1. So let's look at the CONCACAF tournaments that actually mattered since 2022. Canada was #1 in the only fair competition, the Qualifiers in 2022 & the U.S. tied the 4th place team. In 2023, with homefield advantage, the U.S. won the Nations cup; but Canada was the runner-up & in the finals. In 2024 Copa Americas, when the U.S. once again had the huge homefield advantage, got knocked out in the 1st round, when they were clearly in the easiest group. Canada made it to the semi-finals. If you look at the real facts, it is clear that for now, Canada is definitely the King of CONCACAF.

@JK-kn9ns Ай бұрын

@@jrcanuck1 Scoreboard. Say whatever you want to try and have it fit your delusion, but the fact remains you have to win it on the field. Even if you're trying to talk about comparing tournament results (Which is ridiculous. It's a hypothetical, and I'm not going to argue hypotheticals) the US advanced in the WC, Canada didn't; finishing last in their group. If you want to have that result and the US result in Copa America cancel each other out fine. It's a stupid argument anyway. Nothing more needs be said.