Are Christians Called to Obey the Law?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 189
Transcript: www.desiringgod.org/interview...

[@77Friction]

““If you love me, obey my commandments.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14:15‬ ‭NLT‬‬

[@irsshill4502]

Does it say, you need to love God to be save. Or does it says believe in your heart he died in the cross to pay for your sins. It always about yourselves, you fleshy phony believers.

[@lou81]

@After The Rapture he did not give two laws, the scripture says they tried to test him asking what are the two greatest laws. He always taught the torah and said follow me.

[@lou81]

@After The Rapture lol I didn't see the end of your msg and thought you were opposing Yahs torah. Deepest apologies. Yes scripture defines to love Yah is to be obedient to his torah. Blessings

[@M3THOD1978]

We are all forgiven under the blood, if we repent, truly, and turn to him for change. Even the demons have faith that Jesus is lord, but they are not changed by it

[@lou81]

@After The Rapture a gentle is someone not in covenant and of other nations so yes they do not have to keep the law

[@LoveAcrossAmerica]

John 14:15 IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL KEEP MY COMANDNMENTS . God doesn't change

[@gregorylatta8159]

Keep reading.

[@jeremiahkirby6552]

For those that are enduring thinking I can't handle much more so soon we will be saying I can't believe it all went so fast. We will say I can't believe I was so worried. A vapor. Caught in a vapor soon to be blown away by the next breeze. Worried for a short moment. Endured for a short while. For he suffered for us first, and don't ever forget that you're NOT ALONE!!!! Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Psalm 27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Deuteronomy 31:6 Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the Lord thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

[@joejonas3584]

💖

[@Richie016]

Thank you Pastor John.

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

Thank You!!

[@jailahbryel305]

We all have sinned and fell short of the glory to God. The problem is, that God is holy and doesn’t live with sin. So we all deserve to go to hell, but Jesus paid the price so you don’t have to. All you have to do is confess Jesus as your savior and repent (turn from all sin) and you’ll bs forgiven and on the way to heaven

[@ihavetubes]

Great message

[@nmm5214]

First Love, First Works then the letter of The law. That is the heart of The Law.

[@irsshill4502]

You don't have a debt to God. Serve him because you love him. You are going to heaven no matter how wicked we are.

[@CDB-Now]

@@irsshill4502 that's very dangerous to say, it's like saying it doesn't matter if christ died for me or not, I can still go to heaven?!

[@godsarchangeljesusisthekin5827]

@@irsshill4502 no you MUST repent of your wicked ways

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@irsshill4502 quote----You don't have a debt to God. Serve him because you love him. You are going to heaven no matter how wicked we are.. unquote Then why will the wicked be destroyed in the Lake of fire????

[@CDB-Now]

@Desiring God, why was Sunday worship establish if the bible says SEVENTH day please help?

[@jonathanvasquez6052]

Jesus rose on the 1st day that’s why

[@CDB-Now]

@@jonathanvasquez6052 so is this mean that we can disregard what God said about ''remember my sabbath to keep it holy', it shall be a day of holy forever for I am the Lord your God? Because I dont see any where in the bible that Jesus said or any Prophets we can change the SABBATH to Sunday, do you?

[@jonathanvasquez6052]

@@CDB-Now we do keep the sabbath actually and we keep it holy forever. God rested and so should we.... “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:8‬ “Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭2:27‬ ‭ “One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5‬ “Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day- things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ “Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:9-11‬ ‭ ““Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke is comfortable, and My burden is light.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬ ‭ Notice how right after Jeuses proclaims to give rest the next chapter proceeds with the Pharisees being legalistic about the sabbath. So in other words Jesus is the fulfillment of the sabbath He is our rest. Our Sabbath rest is the secret place and Jesus keeps it holy! It’s very important to take at least one day off from work to spend with family and God. Someone might work retail or a job he can only take Tuesday’s off, and God is using them to minister to his coworkers, an un-reached people group... remember the sermon on the mount is all about the intentions of the heart! “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:10‬.... I wonder why he didn’t say the Sabbath day?

[@jonathanvasquez6052]

@@CDB-Now one more thing we don’t know for sure if the sabbath is every Saturday too because we have a Roman colander not a Jewish calendar they only have 360 days in a prophetic year... a month for the Jews is a complete cycle of the moon

[@CDB-Now]

@@jonathanvasquez6052 you dont know for sure when is the sabbath day But YET YOU TRULY KNOW WHEN THE RESSURECTION IS? That's kind of odd don't you think?

[@irsshill4502]

Christ did all the work for me. I don't deserve heaven, I can't lose this grace. Lordship salvationists don't believe the gospel. They rejected the real Christ, and seek the law instead.

[@codyalexander3290]

Not even true

[@TheTrenchesYT]

"Lordship salvationists" merely confess that if one has indeed been baptized with Christ into his death and resurrection, freeing them from the lordship of sin, then Christ is now their lord-- and you will know who someone's lord is not by what they say but by their fruit. Without the works that come as the result of someone's salvation because of the Holy Spirit working within them, there is no reason to suspect that they are saved at all. With the actions of obedience toward Christ's commands, a person proves that he is their lord-- because when they had been sinners, it was impossible for them to obey; but now with God's power they both desire and have the strength to obey.

[@irsshill4502]

@@TheTrenchesYT Baptism is by water, nothing more. You receive the finish work as a gift not by merit.

[@TheTrenchesYT]

​@@irsshill4502 I was paraphrasing Romans 6:1-18. The whole canon contradicts any idea of us creating our own merit unto salvation-- but it also contradicts anyone who believes that they can live in disobedience to the commands of Christ and still have assurance that their claim to salvation is legitimate.

[@irsshill4502]

@@TheTrenchesYT Romans 3:28 is clear we are not under law, but under healing through the blood of Christ Titus 3:5-7. Not such as thing as works of the law are needed. Only trust in his blood enough.

[@isaiahaskew5753]

I believe Christ is the author and finisher of my faith. I have tried to keep, earn and work my salvation! It doesn’t work. It is so much more freeing to rest in God & just follow what Christ desires of me. To Love Him.. and repent❤️

[@Will-nb8qk]

Love the Lord thy God and your neighbor.

[@gregorylatta8159]

Spot on start.

[@emmanuelacharithayamim3627]

Matthew 5:17-18

[@gokartbob6478]

What Law are you referring to?

[@Blackrims23]

He’s basically wuffling

[@6969smurfy]

YES

[@twenty-fivethirty-six3946]

Imagine what our worship of the Father would look like if we didn’t have His Instructions (the Law) to use as a tutor, but trusted in our own understanding of righteousness before Christ is able to fulfilled the Law in our heart (Galatians 3:23-25). Without the righteousness of Christ we might be tempted to worship the Father in a way that seems right to a man but in the end would lead to death (Proverbs 14:12). Or, we might worship the Father in the way the nations worship their gods (Deuteronomy 12:4) by holding onto the traditions of our pagan forefathers (Mark 7:8). Traditions the Father says are worthless, like cutting trees out of the forest and adorning it with silver and gold and then fastening them so they doesn’t totter (Jeremiah 10:3-4). Or we could make a fatal mistake of giving honor to a false god like E-ster for the resurrection of Christ (Exodus 23:13), or we might join the Beast and try to change the Father’s set apart times (Daniel 7:25). This is why it’s only by using the Law as a tutor are we able to discover the idols of our heart that keep us from experiencing true joy and peace. It can be difficult to swim against the current of mainstream doctrines who teach that the Law has been done away with. But once we accept the terms of the covenant, our wedding vows, Christ removes the veil that covers our heart when Moses is read (2 Corinthians 3:15-16), a Scripture describing the fading glory on Moses face as a comparison to the written tablets of stone and how after Christ has removed the veil they become even more glorious having been sifted through our new heart (Jeremiah 31:31-33) a heart and spirit of love, which is the heart and spirit of Christ. It’s in this way our righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees (Matthew 5:20) as we sift the written code through the heart and spirit of Christ where His righteousness is imputed to us so we’re able to see the truth that is able to set us free. For this is what it means to walk in the Spirit and Truth (John 4:23). For more detail on this we invite you to watch our teaching entitled: “Gerim or Citizen”. May you be blessed in your pursuit of truth! : kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6qrd3amrtySgpY

[@6969smurfy]

Not sure if you bieve in Torah for love or not, thos scriptures in english can be twisted twists up side down! Praise YAH

[@lansan3430]

Matt: 5:17-19 keep the law of Moses and the prophets even the least of it - Jesus Christ

[@jameshughes2911]

Isn't the Law our teacher? And doesn't Jesus raise the bar to an impossible standard? Seems pastor John has a great explanation for us all to ponder...

[@m.j.grayson649]

Oh yes we are supposed to obey the law....... Matthew 19:17 Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."

[@6969smurfy]

Amen brother

[@Doxologie]

Hi, Jesus was teaching the Rich Man a lesson about how imperfect we are at keeping the law, He wasn't implying that's the way to eternal life otherwise that would contradict His coming. I had a few questions on it as well but the Holy Spirit brought clarity. Got questions website helped me understand it better. Blessings Brother!

[@wserthmar8908]

Absolutely

[@exaucemayunga22]

So is the law meaningless now?

[@messengerisrael3817]

Justified means to be redeemed from your sins ; which requires a sin sacrifice of atonement through faith ; it is transgressing the laws of the Father that put you in sin . The sin sacrifices of atonement comes through the mediators , under a priesthood ( Moses = blood of the animals through works , for the flesh/body , under the Leviticus priesthood ) ( Jesus = blood of Christ through faith , for the heart/spirit , under the priesthood of Melchisedec ) . When you see the word law , please understand what law is being talked about ( law of the Father ; which are all his commandments , including all covenants ; which are instructions to righteousness , then the sin sacrifice law of atonement through the mediqtor Moses , and the sin sacrifice law of atonement through the mediator Jesus Christ . Shalom !

[@angloaust1575]

Which law?

[@GoogleAccount-dc8uc]

Christian law

[@danielafairbanks7989]

Moses

[@Doxologie]

I see a lot of believers using John 14:15 as a means to contend against what Piper is saying. I encourage you to read the context of the verse and not just the verse itself. When Jesus tells the disciples to keep His commands, He is referring to the instructions He gave them in John 13:14-15 “He commanded them to wash each others feet” John 13:34 “He commanded them to love one another after the pattern of His love toward them”, and John 14:1, “He commanded them to put their faith in God the Father and in Jesus Himself”.

[@TheTrenchesYT]

If Jesus is God, are not the commands of God also Christ's commands? And how can one "put their faith in God the Father" without living as though God is worth putting faith in-- that is, obeying Him?

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote--- I encourage you to read the context of the verse and not just the verse itself. When Jesus tells the disciples to keep His commands, He is referring to the instructions He gave them in John 13:14-15 “He commanded them to wash each others feet...unquote Nope the word is Plural----COMMANDMENTS!!! John 14: 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. 12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. 15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. 19 "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. >>>quote--He is referring to the instructions He gave them in John 13:14-15 “He commanded them to wash each others feet” John 13:34 “He commanded them to love one another after the pattern of His love toward them”, and John 14:1, “He commanded them to put their faith in God the Father and in Jesus Himself”. unquote John 13:14-18 KJV If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. One "command" singular--NOT plural!! btw--where is that in the Ten Commandments?? ---John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” That is the last 6 of the Ten Commandments!! ---But, you seem to forget the OTHER Commandments with that one. --quote---and John 14:1, “He commanded them to put their faith in God the Father and in Jesus Himself”. John 14:[1] "Let not your hearts be troubled; believe in God, believe also in me. [2] In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? [3] And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. WHERE is the COMMAND?????????? ----Mark 12:30-31 NIV - Love the Lord your God with all your heart (That is the first 4 Commadments) and with all your soul and with ... ' 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' ... (The last 6 Commandments)

[@6969smurfy]

OMG. I'm sorry for they forsaken your son yeshua. The walking talking torah... for anyone teaching lawlessness is an obomination in your eyes.

[@QuantumG432]

Galatians 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” Romans 13:10 “Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Consider the following. Matthew 37-40 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the LAW and the prophets. Do you see? GODS Love and his Image is perfect in LAW. Adam was created in GODS Image of perfect (AGAPE LOVE). Adam lost the Image (AGAPE LOVE) and Christ came to FULFILL the LAW of perfect (Agape LOVE) to give it back to the fallen man of Adams seed. Jesus is perfect (AGAPE LOVE) as he was called the second Adam. The whole (Gene)sis was about genetic code of GODS IMAGE of LOVE. GODS gene code of LOVE. Christ said "Many are called; (converted: unsaved), but few are chosen; (regeneration: saved). This is the very reason the "Many" in Matthew were rejected. 22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work INIQUITY. See, these people standing in front of Jesus DID NOT have their genetic code regenerated with the original IMAGE of GOD. (LOVE) Again, Iniquity means: Lawlessness or without the LAW or without Agape Love. 1 John 3 Behold, what manner of (Agape) love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

[@wserthmar8908]

No Pauline epistles = the original message about the Law and the commandments

[@humblestudent04]

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming...marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the Graves will hear his voice and come forth those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation....the son of man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears to hear let him hear.....

[@brianhyde5900]

If you want to be true to Christianity you will want your flesh to serve God in the "old way" of the law of ancient Israel. But if you are true to your higher soul self as a Son of God, you will know you are being led by the "new way" of your Spirit. (Romans 7:4-5)

[@twenty-fivethirty-six3946]

But aren't we called to worship in both the Spirit and Truth (John 4:23)? I invite you to watch our teaching entitled, "Walking in the Spirit and Truth" where we cover this in detail. May you be blessed in your pursuit of truth! : kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHaap4dulN-anKc

[@clayh.92]

We do not obey the Law of Moses today.

[@williamcopeland6683]

B"law"..b"law" b"law".. compass not cuffs

[@jessewestbrook9816]

Compass not cuffs nice ✌🏻

[@M3THOD1978]

If we have free will to seek salvation, then be sure we have free will to turn away at anytime, and refuse salvation. To know him is to follow him, to follow is to keep his commandments. Don’t get it wrong, if a teaching ever teaches you that you can sin without needing true repentance, it is a lie straight from the devil Repent (trust in him to give you a way out of sin and change) for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

[@SniffingOutPharisees-DanielP]

So after sinnning we must repent to keep our salvation?

[@M3THOD1978]

@@SniffingOutPharisees-DanielP if you sin while saved, use The gifts of Christ, to capture the thought, and turn away like he commands, or if you sin, immediately stop and turn away, as he make all roads to turn away available. This is repentance, trusting he will provide the path to turn away, and taking it :) And allowing his power to make you hate the sin, and never turn towards it again. It’s not easy alone, but easy with him I simply echo the actual Bible, not the fake Christian religion. Does this answer friend ? If you wish to take the path of sin, never winning over it. Then he has saved you from nothing, and was not with you. He provides the road away from sin, but you must take it. Once you win over your sin, with him and his blood, the real journey of hardship begins! But he cannot use you, when you chose your sin over his will always

[@M3THOD1978]

@@SniffingOutPharisees-DanielP listen friend, I smoked weed everyday for 15 years, clubs, giirls, drinks, video games all the time. You can do it, cold turkey even, or work it out with God, but in the end, you have to give it up brother. Those things are not the answer, the true walk with him is. And after you drop sinning daily, then he will use you to fight the war of good against evil on this earth, and trust me friend, evil is winning. Pick the side of good, put all your chips, and don’t look back. There is a battle out here we are losing to evil, and the world needs good men and women to fight the holy fight. Trust me, when a good man falls away, there is evil there to take his place.

[@SniffingOutPharisees-DanielP]

The fact is, we will always sin in this body, living a “sinless” life style doesn’t grant us heaven, (which is why we’ll get glorified bodies after we die) believing in Jesus alone is what grants someone heaven. He had perfect faith and never sinned. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to live a sinless lifestyle, (which is btw proof of the in dwelling Holy Spirit) it’s only wrong when we start depending on ourselves for salvation we will always fail and will always end up disappointed when we do sin, because we aren’t in our glorified bodies. Idk if this is exactly how you see things but Salvation has nothing to do with us, it is a gift. Found in Jesus alone. I used to believe that I had to be sinless to enter heaven, but Jesus did all that for us. Now all that’s left is for us to believe.

[@SniffingOutPharisees-DanielP]

@Faster never said an unrepentant sinner can believe in Jesus. Living a “sinless” lifestyle and repenting are 2 different things.

[@jailahbryel305]

We all have sinned and fell short of the glory to God. The problem is, that God is holy and doesn’t live with sin. So we all deserve to go to hell, but Jesus paid the price so you don’t have to. All you have to do is confess Jesus as your savior and repent (turn from all sin) and you’ll bs forgiven and on the way to heaven