Are Conspiracy Theories ALWAYS BAD? (ft. Funny Rhetorician)

[@testoftempest]

Thanks for coming on Funny Rhetorician! Link to his research in the description! ⏱Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 3:50 The Grimes Model 8:30 Vaush’s Framing 11:50 Conspiracy Theories Criticism 15:55 Andrew Wakefield & The MMR Vaccine 20:11 How “Conspiracy Theorists” Get Attacked 22:21 Left Wing vs Right Wing Conspiracy Theories 31:00 What Funny Rhetorician Does 39:16 What is a Conspiracy Theory? 42:37 Flat Earth & JQ 46:04 What to do in a Debate! 56:45 An Example 1:01:20 Destigmatizing Conspiracy Theories 1:08:07 Conspiracy Theory Phobia 1:17:17 Surprise Birthday Parties 1:19:30 Wrapping Up

[@user-vu8es8mz8r]

That forgotten comma in the first sentence... chef’s kiss

[@sithisrants4154]

Why is "Alden's Library is Real" not a timestamp?

[@rayleighsilvers4770]

Can I have a link for the holding ideas flat earth video?

[@CultureStress]

This is my favourite kind of Vaush content: bringing on smart people with cool ideas and using his communication skills to make their knowledge accessible to a broader audience

[@vanessa-tk7cw]

Ya this interview was so interesting I heard it live and when I saw it posted I had to watch it again.

[@JeepnHeel]

It was refreshing to hear from someone that wasn't trying to make the case that the nazis had a point. I'm afraid that the remix from this conversation is going to suck, tho

[@ywnrnf6028]

@@JeepnHeel Nazi had a point. -Luna Oi

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

Totally agree. This interview/convo is fuckin awesome. Wish he woulda gone into more depth on his actual article.

[@AnEntropyFan]

It just so happens that the person who brought the "cool idea" has a fundamentally erroneous premise and has inaccurately conveyed his example - Brian Deer at no point of his investigation was a conspiracy theorist; he has consistently followed the trail of the evidence from the get go and at no point has made claims about stuff he hasn't confirmed first. A conspiracy theory isn't when you suspect that there might be a conspiracy, go about investigating and find evidence for it; a conspiracy theory is when you claim there's a conspiracy without evidence for it. For example, Vaush's assertion that Manchin and Sinema are "rotating villains" supported by the wider establishment of the Democratic party is a conspiracy theory (as likely as it may be) because Vaush has no evidence for it beyond "it's a thing that has happened, does happen and will happen". The same as Vaush's claim that the dodgy ballots during the Gore/Bush campaign were a conspiracy, until there's specific evidence for the claim it is a conspiracy theory (an unsubstantiated claim of there being a conspiracy). That said, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the Democratic party is more conservative than they portray themselves nor that the person who designed the "accessibility" ballots was paid by the Bush campaign, however for as long as there is no evidence for it it's a conspiracy theory. It isn't as far-fetched as Roswell aliens or faked Moonlanding, but is still a claim about a conspiracy that is supported by nothing beyond motivated reasoning and extrapolation. Neither Vaush nor the Ph.D understand the basic difference between the phrase "conspiracy theory" and the meaning of the word "conspiracy".

[@EpicCraZeShotZ]

Hey! That's me!

[@rainbowkrampus]

This was a really great topic to bring to the channel. Thanks for doing it.

[@griffinhunter3206]

Hey! That's you!

[@somedarecallitconspiracy]

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing more of you!

[@jamesrostein8643]

Hi!You were awesome!

[@luxborealis]

How did you manage to get published at such a young age? I’m the same age as you and work with a closely related field of research (judeobolshevik conspiracy theories in the media in the leadup to WW2 in Europe), but I’ve never been able to get anything published in anything fancier than a Holocaust research newsletter. Maybe it’s because I went for the double Master instead of PhD (couldn’t get funding for a PhD project) but that seems really unfair on behalf of the journal editorial boards, my research is still thorough and falsifiable, not to mentioned impeccably referenced. Oh well, I’m happy with my current job at a (somewhat famous) WW2 museum, but it is still very annoying being an educated researcher and lecturer with seven years of college, yet only researching a different field and lecturing only tenth graders and pensioners. At least it looks good on my CV, I suppose. Anyway, good job here, I really liked your arguments in this talk with Vaush, even if I disagree with you on some points. Edit: Yes, I am nerd grumbling about not being part of academia any longer, let me have my copium in peace.

[@BL0XB0T]

As someone who enjoys a good absurd conspiracy theory, the fact that people actually believe them is depressing. Flat Earth and Hollow Moon are fun, but the people who buy into them honestly scare me a bit.

[@jeremymr]

Yeah, on the Modern Day Debate channel there is a debate about whether dinosaurs existed or are a hoax by Big Museum (hilarious by the way)

[@BL0XB0T]

@@jeremymr Ooh, I’ll have to check that out. Thanks!

[@glumdrop4672]

Same here. By themselves those theories seem harmless and absurd but at that point they'll believe pretty much anything just because it goes against the common narrative

[@jeremymr]

@@BL0XB0T The same guy Alex Stein the dino denier is in a lot of debates that are hilarious on Modern-Day Debate, like the recent one about "Is Santa Satanic" where he yells about Sinterklaas for like a full half hour lol

[@MackenziiRivers]

I mean plenty of concpiracy theories came true tho so we never really know. :/

[@jamesshepard3]

As a PhD student in rhetoric, writing, and linguistics, this was such a fun conversation to hear.

[@glumdrop4672]

I'm all for these good faith kind of talks. I like Vaush a lot but he gets on that 'lone wolf' jag sometimes so its good to see him building relationships and helping cultivate a new crop of lefties

[@t00bgazer]

Lmao lefties.

[@oldluke7653]

@@t00bgazer 🤢🤮

[@andreymontag]

I like how this is basically a dude coming on stream and complaining about another largely unknown dude being wrong about sociology. That's a huge power move right there

[@Tacklepig]

"another largely unknown dude" who is one of the leading theorists in that specific field. So in other words, the only reason that other dude is unknown to you is that you don't care about the academic analysis of conspiracy theories.

[@andreymontag]

@@Tacklepig to be fair, academic analysis of conspiracy theories is an extremely narrow field. Even if I were more well-rounded, I don't think I'd that that it existed

[@andreymontag]

@@Tacklepig to be fair, academic analysis of conspiracy theories is an extremely narrow field. Even if I were more well-rounded, I don't think I'd that that it existed

[@ASolidSnack]

I agree that the term "conspiracy theory" is misused to dismiss legitimate ideas, but I think the way you can tell the difference is much easier than he says: Good conspiracy theories are logical attempts to explain observable conclusions with using existing sociological evidence; the "revolving villain" theory explains a phenomenon that is objectively observable (there are consistently a small number of politicians responsible for blocking legislation that is harmful to the bourgeois) and supported by sociological patterns we already know about (many Democrats DO materially gain from corporations that would be harmed by proposed legislation) Bad conspiracy theories start with an imagined conclusion (the moon landing was faked) and then work backwards to find evidence to support it. Remember, though, that even conspiracy theories that turn out to be true can STILL be bad theories. The problem, as he said very well, is that the term "conspiracy theory" itself is bad, because it technically describes both of these types of theories, but in practice only is used to imply bad theories. So I wish there was a more common term to describe conspiratorial theories that are made with confirmation bias.

[@somedarecallitconspiracy]

Great breakdown! I tend to say "conspiracy query" for legitimate ones worthy of investigation.. and conspiracy theory for the more grandiose and outlandish stuff!

[@Johnny-fi6hi]

Lmao it's so funny when Vaush hypes up Sociology and Vaush fans try to make everything about sociology when they don't really even know what it is. Like what "sociological evidence" of the revolving villain theory is there? What the fuck does that even mean? Not to mention there are like actual explainations of why some politicians block legislation that is "harmful to the bourgeoisie".

[@neoqwerty]

@@Johnny-fi6hi I'm confused, the fuck is "the bourgeoisie" in English? I'm French and I've never seen people use it accurately, "la bourgeoisie" is "the nobility/the elite" where I'm from.

[@felicityc]

@@neoqwerty It's a reference to the upper class in a capitalistic society. It means more generally 'the elite', but specifically, 'that (minority, by rule) who own and control the distribution of the means of production'. Bourgeoisie is specifically to reference Marx's concept of that elite; of course, there are those within a nobility/elite class who may not realize it; or those who think they are in it but not really members; but if you died today and no companies dissolve as a result, you probably are not. This is not noblesse oblige; it is purely economic. You will see it referenced and used often in regards to socialism or communism in English, because it is a shared term, that the entire left knows and can establish as a common enemy; in contrast to the rest of the economy, the prolétariat, proletariat, la classe ouvrière, etc, the working class. One can be very rich but still be proletariat; but most who are 'rich' are not truly 'rich' since they do not own their own work, still, and most tend to strive towards that goal (as it is an end state of capitalism). I am sure you know this much at least but lol shrug

[@felicityc]

​@@Johnny-fi6hi I think saying 'harmful to the bourgeoisie' was a bit of a stretch, as well as 'objectively observable', since it doesn't really reduce down a rhetorical idea into the lowest common denominator; of course they are going to vote in their own interests and present legislation that either benefits them or advances the potential concept of benefiting their class (in an indirect or populist way). That carries some huge assumptions indeed. In fact, he pretty much just stated how it was bad, since we started from the conclusion (politicians use revolving etc theory and scapegoat in-members as currency for controversy) and then look at who is most commonly involved with controversy and scandal; and you'll see that, more or less, the same few people end up being common. Biden(s), Clinton(s), Cruz, Palin is back, Manchin, now- his choice of words in mentioning the democrats is to avoid the comeback "but the democrats benefit from helping the working class cuz welfare babies country", I guess. Imo, bad conspiracy theories start from a place of genuineness. They start because of a lack of trust in an institution or system, without the ability to properly express criticism for that system (the above is a good example imo), and in bridging the gap between your understanding and the truth, some leaps must be taken to retain internal consistency. I did work with TS//SCI and I understand how that system works, so I understand how people get deepstate stuff wrong even from the first attempt; and why they have so many concerns with how our intelligence and three letter agencies function. That dynamic is invisible to the average citizen, because it has to be, or it wouldn't be the dynamic. When that mistrust is then applied to everything the government says or does, some certain common science checks get lost in the process. ie- the moon landing probably should have been fake. It was such a huge waste of money, people died, all to show up another country and display our exceptionalism to the world; not even planting a flag for mankind, but for the USA. That was 1969. In the next few years the worst of the Vietnam war would happen. In a larger perspective, the moon landing was just one of many government programs happening at the time, many of which were illicit and actively harmful to the perception of American freedom and the spread of democracy, especially the forever-war we seemed to be in no matter where we ended up, and the boomer generation growing to the adult years; those born in 1946-47 and the years after were JUST BARELY 15-25. LITERALLY, the generation right under me. That is the most impressionable, skeptical time in many of our lives, where we aren't really sure what's real; the tapestry of civilized life falls around us, etc. It is so much easier to apply the actual entire mindset of conspiracy towards a state of ignorance not just to your role in the economy, but your role in your culture, your world, and your own life, and make the average joe blow in Indiana watching the moon landing on their boob tube wonder if, well, that was really something happening? They had some cool stuff, sure, but wasn't the end of WW2- this horrible event not long before that their families talked about- supposed to bring peace and democracy? What's up with the USSR, and why do THEY get to do so much cool stuff? Are they really that powerful...? Another senator got accused of being a sympathizer... Why are the politicians getting to draft dodge and why are they getting so rich? What's COINTELPRO? Why don't we give peace a chance? Man, JFK died when they were 15- then, when the civil rights movement was happening, MLK died just a year before the moon landing. Something was weird about that. Wait, Watergate? The President can be that evil? And we can find out about it? Let's not even get started on how many problems began in 1981, right after Reagan got the keys... AIDS, the drug war... wait, Reagan got shot now? The hostage crisis... the start of a short recession... Iran-CONTRA? Revolving villain theory theory is a joke to me. There is so much more going on. What this stuff does doesn't even make me more paranoid or anything; but I know telling people how convenient it all is can have that effect. It actually makes me feel better knowing most general conspiracies will be leaked or they will fuck it up pretty easily. It's too easy to use that as a way to justify how they keep getting away with it. Getting away with what...? I don't know but politicians tend to have easier roads into national representation when they're already a recognizable name. Even the ones that choose not to have free connections for life, ie Hunter. This is not a conspiracy; Hunter was a lobbyist and used his connections and affability to lobby for different groups. Bidens were not a new name- not many of these folks are. Hence, where it comes from. I think the oversaturation of the national identity with information, easily obtainable, that isn't necessarily all useful or even relevant, all of which is likely unrelated or only loosely related, creates a psychological stunlock of pattern recognition that our monkey brains have to interpret, or go insane. So we go insane.

[@beancheesedip8337]

I feel like Vaush's heart skips a beat anytime someone tells him their parents watch him

[@witchflowers6942]

i heard my dad watching vaush and *my* heart skipped a beat

[@JeepnHeel]

Such a bad way to find out that your Dad was on the list -- luckily not the case this time

[@beancheesedip8337]

@Ronald Nygma I think it's near the end, last 5-10 min?

[@rainbowkrampus]

Really good conversation. Completely relevant to a lot of my interests but also relevant to a lot of the stuff covered on this channel. It's not blood sports or petty drama, and it's relegated to the PIt, so it probably won't get even a quarter of the views that it deserves. But for all the people who do watch it, you are awesome and should treat yourself to one minute of haughty smugness towards a person of your choosing.

[@cliffordrobinson3907]

I choose you! Im gonna watch this intellectual discussion better and more attentively than you will! Hehehehehhehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehhehehehe

[@silentfriend369]

@@beowyfe lol!

[@somedarecallitconspiracy]

Same here. Really interested in this stuff. I was consumed by it for 15yrs but got out a few years back!

[@dee-wreck]

Conspiracies aren't always bad, but they ARE a pipeline to radicalism.

[@safs3098]

Conspiracies themselves don't lead to radicalism, it's when they get coopted by certain political side that leads to lots of people from that side joining the discussion on said conspiracy and others getting into it will interact with the people with political agendas. Epstein Island isn't political, it doesn't lead to radicalism, it's when the right claims that Epstein island proves the democrats are all peds that will lead to newcommers getting conditioned

[@siddharthkrishna8463]

Radicalism is not necessarily bad either

[@little_flitter]

@@siddharthkrishna8463 true, its radicalism that ignores facts which is the issue. You can be radical and be correct, it's just much harder to come by.

[@dee-wreck]

@@siddharthkrishna8463 In my IRL experience, of two friends going down the alt-right pipeline because of conspiracies they mentally onboarded, it is bad.

[@Varkhal218]

Radicalism can be very good, if done in the right direction

[@NeiZaMo]

I don't believe in surprise birthday parties, they are inherently irrational.

[@Kameth]

FR: Have you heard of the Grimes model? Vaush: mofo I invented alden's number you can't trick me into saying yes

[@robertjohnson5794]

This is a much needed discussion on the left. I like Hunter Avallone but this is one of the main problems I've had with him and a couple other streamers recently with that CIA arc.

[@elmonchis2]

Abour half way through. This is a really cool conversation!

[@teapotsoup2851]

I love hearing scientists go on a paragraphing spree, it's like they're so excited someone's listening and they have so much knowledge to share. Buckle up and get out your notebooks people, here comes the brain stuff

[@MarkArandjus]

Holy SHIT, new lore in the Aldenverse. Major character unlocked. So first we had General Roderick Alden, now we have Vernon R. Alden!

[@Badartist888]

I find one way to deradicalize people from conspiracy is to engage them as though its true, except ask questions about "in that case why don't they do x or y?" And come up with better ways they could be doing things. Like it wouldn't work with the Wakefield one, because its true and they did logical (if immoral) things but it tends to work with many of the others.

[@cadethumann8605]

Please forgive me for asking an odd, random question but I wonder if you could help put my curiosities and anxieties to rest. There is this popular talk about something known as the "great reset" and how it is not anymore of a conspiracy "theory" but rather a conspiracy "fact". When I tried researching about this term, I struggled to get an overall idea of what it is, but the basic gist seems to be a new economic world order that could destroy middle classes and only leave the rich and poor. What do you make of this?

[@spanky814]

The rotating villian thing pisses me off because I have a political science degree and we discussed it in class as a (fairly common) political strategy, but even with me having formal education in it, local Dems and liberals will say that's a conspiracy theory.

[@hi__im_zack4890]

Actually, the earth is flat. If you really think it's a ball, answer me this. How do the people on the bottom of the earth not fall off?

[@longlivethesheet4561]

You got us, we’re the sticky-footed gecko people

[@JaeshaunDT]

i blame the Illuminaughty

[@EpicCraZeShotZ]

Ask the Australians.

[@cass7448]

@@EpicCraZeShotZ Regrettably we can't answer your questions, as we don't exist. Sorry.

[@MrGksarathy]

Gravity? Had to give the serious answer here.

[@coladict]

I've been missing a lot of streams lately, so I'm glad this got uploaded. I didn't know this convo happened.

[@HLVEYT]

In short. No. But they’re sometimes bad. And sometimes very dangerous.

[@dudds6699]

Best TLDR

[@linusmlgtips2123]

But they usually are bad.

[@HLVEYT]

@@linusmlgtips2123 true.

[@dudds6699]

@@linusmlgtips2123 Can we come up with a formula to include how mundane a conspiracy theory is the more true it likely is to be cause I feel like that should be a law/theory

[@dudds6699]

@@linusmlgtips2123 you are right though in the end

[@TheStraightGod]

Tempest what the fuck man why that thumbnail. I just did mushrooms that thumbnail is trippy af

[@elloingo]

This is great, it runs through a lot of my frustrations with people who just compare conspiracy theories to group projects and how badly they fail

[@koreanbillcosby6745]

You're a beast. You are engaging in an ideological Outlook upon quote unquote "conspiracy theories" that I myself have been talking/engaging in with my friends/fam for years now. This in my opinion is not just the most objective/logical way to go about these conversations, but it is imo the only way I have found to be able to talk somebody off the ledge if they have ventured too far down the rabbit hole with whatever respective conspiracy you can go out there. Good shit mi duuudde#

[@SarahRoseCO10]

This is main channel content right here. Vaush is so good at taking complicated topics and making them accessible to the layman

[@somedarecallitconspiracy]

Brilliant! Always glad to hear discussions on this topic! I'm still very interested to have that chat with you sometime.

[@raining_trees]

This man stated his goals and called this respected formula bullshit, and I was SOLD lol. I love this guy and the nuance he is exuding.

[@THEcamobackpack]

This was awesome, feels just like a lecture i would get from one of my professors with a TA explaining everything to you

[@Bri_1219]

Good video, and I love that conspiracy theory guy. He seems really passionate and knowledgeable

[@MrGreenTabasco]

No guys, non of your pronunciations sound german at all :D Great talk, this was very enjoyable. I like the rough bloodsoorts, but after the recent arc, it is nice to have some chill content.

[@mathieuleader8601]

the theory of President Chester Arthur being ineligible to be president of the USA having been born in Canada is interesting

[@danielsandwhichpants1391]

Amazing stuff. These convos are just as entertaining and interesting as debates usually are.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

So... What was the finnish name he butchered? As a finnish person it'd be cool to laugh at how wrong he pronounced it, but I couldn't even figure out what the actual name was.

[@EpicCraZeShotZ]

Juha Raikka

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

@@EpicCraZeShotZ Thanks. I persume you mean Räikkä?

[@Robiness]

@@mielipuolisiili7240 You say that as if all those weird dots weren't just fancy decoration to confuse foreigners =-=

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

@@Robiness 😂 The pronunciation is very different. A in finnish is consistently pronounced like a in are, whereas ä is like a in and.

[@jizburg]

@@mielipuolisiili7240 äs a swede i do conkör, thär is a diferänce. XD

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I remember this interview but I genuinely thought it was on David Pakman's or Majority Reports stream, you are getting some great serious guests on recently

[@leftreadjed5627]

Not original probably, but a Vaush podcast with episodes like would be addicting

[@g40oz]

Awesome discussion!

[@sneetchyboy1011]

I got in an argument with post leftists who had this anti all conspiracy theory stance there ascribing to liberals. They also were mad at me for saying i wanted to raise class consciousness

[@J4j4yd3r]

Great video; hope you have more discussions like this in the future!

[@VaticanShotglass]

Hot take: Popper, yes the falsification guy, is one of the most misleadingly overrated philosophers of the 20thC. (Good philosopher, useful ideas, often wrong. Too, too often taken as the definitive philosophical take on many issues, especially in philosophy of science. His falsification account of how to demarcate legit science is flawed. It was widely criticized, with varying quality, out of the gates. Even the most basic cartoon history of 20thC philosophy of science, at least in America, UK, and Australia, mentions the importance of Lakatos’ criticisms in continuing the discourse. Yet most any pop scientist and most science departments teach you that the entirety of philosophy of science of relevance is the falsification criterion and can fit on a number sticker. Further, they often get that much wrong.)

[@VaticanShotglass]

I’d also add I’m disappointed in how badly philosophy often represents itself in interdisciplinary projects. It leads to “typically philosophers say [really decontextualized and out of date take].” This video is great. These things need to be said and to a general audience. As a student of epistemology, none of it sounds unfamiliar, however. So it’s disappointed the caller found so many bad takes by philosophers while there’s so much better epistemology out there and on this topic. It’s been a long time, but I’m aware lots of good stuff has come out in the past five years. If I remember I can look some up.

[@cogito919]

True points about Popper. I believed the hype until I actually read Conjectures and Refutations. I gotta read Lakatos and van Fraassen next

[@VaticanShotglass]

@@cogito919 Right. I don't say that to denigrate Popper. It's just that philosophy doesn't really work in bumper sticker maxims, and one can't get a good take on a topic without its criticisms. Falsification remains a remarkably handy concept and tends to be a virtue of a bit of science that features it. It's just that things are a little messier than that. Don't forget Kuhn and Quine after having a look at Lakatos and van Fraassen.

[@urm9.m]

This should be main channel material

[@chuckvincent5691]

In general, particularism is good and generalism is bad.

[@MrZimrak]

I dont think the point they’re talking about at 28 mins is very good. Theres nothing wrong with having a policial ideology that’s just anti-something else. You can apply the same criticism to good movements. Whats blm if theres no white supremacy? What’s the green party without climate change?

[@maxulmer5009]

Learned a whole lot during this. Appreciate it guys

[@CynicalBastard]

"The left can imagine without - the right cannot imagine without" - This is because *sniff* of petit objet a. In Lacanian terms, I think.... *collapses* [...]

[@IamJenJen101]

I saw a chat that said "My friend is unironically into Ben Shapiro what do I do?" and it made me imagine said friend at the same moment while they're both chatting on discord tweeting Ben Shapiro saying "My friend is unironically into Vaush what do I do?"

[@theforcefor]

52:54 Let's ask NonCompete his thoughts on it

[@LizStaples]

Money protects conspiracy and corruption and conspiracy go hand in hand but are not mutually exclusive.

[@SpanishMoonRock]

I too reject the ‘brimes’ model. Knowledge of a conspiracy is power. People hold onto their power. And if someone does go rogue, they can be called liars or crazy.

[@Minunmaani]

Thank you! I listen so good that I forgot to breath.....

[@mrmaniac3]

As a Hogan's Heroes enjoyer, I know how to pronounce Hofstadter

[@jahleel0077]

Love his passion

[@notthis9586]

Ah dang I liked Popper's writing on pseudoscience when I read it back in philosophy 101. Might need to go over his stuff again with a more critical eye... seems like he may have gotten lost in the semantic sauce some places.

[@LunarShift]

Love this conversation. Very fun, thanks for the content.

[@Kerbtree]

Bletchly Park's codebreaking vs Enigma was a literal government conspiracy.

[@comradecam9530]

Rhetorician brings up a great point about conservatives not really believing their own conspiracies. As he mentioned QAnon, I haven't heard or seen anything about it in ages. They quickly dropped that conspiracy and moved onto covid ones, having seemingly completely forgot all about it once something a bit more attention grabbing and relevant came along.

[@HOTDOGDAY89]

Very interesting talk. Looks like I need to update how I talk about conspiracy theories.

[@austyntheman5623]

So ware dose bigfoot (and other cryptids) fall on the left right spectrum? Asking for a friend definitely not me 🤣

[@themightymcb7310]

Cryptids usually aren't political

[@APairOfOldSkoolVans]

Bigfoot is a furry

[@KryptonianChaos1]

Vaush not being smug enough to outright DISMISS conspiracy theories? I thought Christmas was last month? 😯

[@robinsss]

he agreed that some are legit like some from the late 60's like Cointel pro

[@KryptonianChaos1]

@@robinsss I was hoping he'd talk more about Queen Elizabeth being a lizard, or there being Nazi bases on the backside of the moon. That's some hardcore shit I need to see him react to lol

[@justwolfex]

@@KryptonianChaos1 he's probably just laugh about it lol

[@KryptonianChaos1]

@@justwolfex probably yeh lol

[@Keirfey]

Conservatives don't realize how bored they are, essentially. Dissatisfaction and sadness. Turns to disgust... targeted disgust.

[@Keirfey]

Source... context...

[@Keirfey]

A kinder and gentler world... healthy goals, eh?

[@Keirfey]

When we use words like God, Jesus, holy cow, etc, it makes me tragically giggle about the nature of time

[@jugganaut26]

"Time means nothing anymore" "True"

[@burritobob69]

I really feel like more people that have experience going down these rabbit holes (like QAnon. It’s far easier than people think) should speak up. Like literally show their search history and online life to show the transition. I kinda feel like doing it since it is quite easy to get caught up in the sensation of.. whatever it is. Scary feeling.

[@Mizuman6265]

This guy sounds so much like the "Professor" from the Magic the Gathering community on KZbin

[@Ellipsis115]

46:23 Good summary for the whole video

[@CynicalBastard]

This is a really good discussion.

[@Keirfey]

Resentments... people are eager to NOT let others explore the human experience. The richness of it is not something we see fit to actually embrace and appreciate. Scarcity and lack of individual safety and comfort are the basic obstacles to any human re-vamping of itself. Do or die off at this point, probably. I mean, look around. I keep saying, all it takes is a stray fire before it's your life that's upended horribly. Matters of time and a luck you'd be foolish to count on, no matter how strong you think your little group is...

[@poerava]

That last ‘b b b but wait....just one more thing’ for. Four. Minutes. Was kinda painful

[@Keirfey]

I'd love to be able to really sit down with someone and talk about our concepts of "body language."

[@Keirfey]

And time and concepts of reality, but it's definitely a sit conversation with anyone. Slightly un-casual conversations 😝

[@Keirfey]

Just incase it was unclear, I'm FelicityEnnui

[@ccole1255]

On the inverse though... How would you be able to quantify the number of conspiracies that NOBODY ever leaked about?

[@burritobob69]

Put this on the main channel

[@browk2512]

"Funny Rhetorician (he/him) joins Vaush to talk about the debunking conspiracy theories."

[@themusicaljunkie37]

Am I missing something?

[@amyglynn6827]

eh?

[@browk2512]

a bit of a grammatical error

[@DeepFriedOreoOffline]

Is it just me, or has anyone else notice that the new KZbin update removes the red bar over videos you've seen before?

[@NoodleBerry]

I read the paper. I think I understood some of it. I’m starting university in the fall; maybe I’ll cite it for something.

[@drool3641]

More of this pleaaaseee! 🖤

[@gigiratliff5801]

"I don't believe in ANY conspiracy theories." "Then you must be glad to see OJ out of prison, yeah?"

[@CynicalBastard]

Marshall Plan is literally not a conspiracy, but if I make a comparison with that, and something else that I find similar, it's irrational, automatically? No. And also: trivialism is mathematically "proofed", as well. But we don't go around claiming it all the time. Now do we? [...]

[@NoodleBerry]

How can someone talk about conspiracies without factoring in that everything would have to be need-to-know

[@SpanishMoonRock]

The Lacanian object petit put something into words that I have been thinking about lately. Want to know more about Lacan. I am an obsessive neurotic apparently.

[@boltripp]

amazing convo, my brain has expanded

[@natelandherr5202]

Shoutout to my fellow Vaushposter

[@hellofellowkids2817]

33:59 I'm from finland and I have no idea what name he was trying to pronounce. Pretty sure both the first and last name started with an "R" but otherwise it's just gibberish

[@ElasticPuliukko]

Yeah, what the fuck was that?

[@KuroAcedia]

That was very informative. Thank you

[@BadassRaiden]

Considering that there is a difference between conspiracies and conspiracy theories, where the former is based on legitimate skepticism that stems from inconsistency within the evidence and the latter is based on illegitimate skepticism that stems from ones own mind regardless of if there is evidence for or against it - then I would say yes, conspiracies theories are always bad.

[@grouchypseudopod354]

Vaush should get a PhD just to change the channel name to Doctor Vowsh.

[@CynicalBastard]

Generalists: also: are pyramid schemes irrational nonsense that aren't real? food for thought. [...]

[@theforcefor]

1:20:02 Damn, that's the reason he's over powered

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

The resistance to believe credible conspiracies actually happen is the same as the resistance to believe that anyone in history ever hallucinated. E.g. in the bible. People have a tendency to be aware of these things as phenomenon but somehow treat it as never happening outside the documented cases.

[@nfc598]

This was extremely interesting and got me through cleaning my bathroom

[@trashmoneyyt]

His name is pronounced Hoff-Stead-Er btw

[@GaganSingh-nx2yv]

Yea that's idealism though.~ NC probably definitely.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Not all the time

[@rowdyrudy3761]

The Ian Kochinsky Experience

[@dannysdungareedanceoff8481]

Short answer: Yes Long Answer: Mmm basically yeah

[@Keirfey]

Sorry to remind the internet again... if anyone took the time to ask me to sing for them, they would immediately give me a job. The question has long been, who do I choose to trust with that? Sounds haughty, but that very thing is part of what holds me back... who walks with you on any of your journey? How do I even make friends when nobody reaches back when you ask? It just happens to me... no hands and no actual curiosity, just platitudes that I'll be ok. I'm tired... and I don't need to be. It's hard to truly call it living to live alone for too long, all because nobody has time or inclination to reach back. I just want to be ok... it's too much to ask, in reality.

[@Keirfey]

43 years is a long practice in patience

[@Keirfey]

Imagine being "pretty" and nobody embraces you year after year, and keep tacking on the years and months... not something I want anyone to go through, "pretty" or not. It's ugly and needlessly sad.

[@Keirfey]

And then, the people you loved start to die around you... all the actors and musicians and people you admired... family you had... eventually... ?

[@Keirfey]

Grief is still a promise. That's hell... in truth.

[@Keirfey]

I'm a bit oddly unique, and that's an interesting challenge, to say the least 🙄

[@arthurgoonie4596]

Should have talked about operation northwoods and how the state is in no position to look after its cizitens though leftiest means

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

To be fair Charlie Kirk would probably be friends with concentration camp guards too.

[@Wodospad_z_Deszczoskrzydlych]

Nice convo

[@Meningocockhole]

great and interesting conversation

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

The German people at least knew what their soldiers were doing to the Soviet people on the eastern front. The German people moved in the tens of millions westward to escape the encroaching Soviet armies that were flooding into Germany. In a normal war there would’ve been refugees yeah but not in the number that there were on the eastern front in world war 2. The German people flooded west to escape the Soviet onslaught because they knew the crimes their soldiers had been committing. It wasn’t a open secret. It wasn’t even a secret they knew what was happening after the German invasion of the Soviet Union and knew what revenge the Soviet soldiers would reap upon the German people when they finally advanced into Germany proper. The German people even knew the frontier where the western Allies were dividing Germany with the Soviets because that’s where most of the Germans were attempting to escape to. So I’m sure the Germans knew about the crimes against Jewish people if the crimes against the Soviet people were such common knowledge. Some of the concentration camps were located slightly outside cities and towns. The extermination camps were all in occupied Poland but that doesn’t mean the German people had no knowledge of the horrors going on there also. They had sons and fathers in the military and I’m sure those people wrote him with horrible reports on the treatment of Jews and other civilians. The German people knew what their government was doing in their name and just because they knew doesn’t mean it wasn’t a conspiracy theory. A crime being general knowledge doesn’t change the fact it is still a crime.