Did I Go Too Hard? Convo w/ NonCompete Fan

[@testoftempest]

Timestamps! 0:00 Intro He/Him Pronouns 0:50 Thoughts on Hypotheticals 4:00 “Your Hypotheticals Are Strange Sometimes” 7:39 Professor Flowers & Decolonization 13:12 “My Reddit is Doomer Pilled” 14:07 What can Vaush do better? 20:45 NonCompete & Video Essayists 23:44 Lefty Econ Takes 35:13 Money 39:45 Final Thoughts

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Around 28:00 in is why I'm a Vaushite. Man understands that we live in 2022 and not 1922 like the majority of tankies and some leftists seem to believe.

[@vulpixelful]

@@TheAmericanAmerican Same. I don't blame some leftists for not being able to think past life basics, because when you don't have it it's all you can think about. But we don't have to sell ourselves short. And we won't get the support we need because a lot of people, even globally, live in the now and want technology that makes our lives easier (and sometimes more fun). The desire is there even if the means are not.

[@jennanyx4968]

Its almost like these calls DON'T have to devolve into caller acting like a 13yo.

[@Nerobyrne]

Yeah, Vaush is actually really cool if you come in with good points and act civil about it. He'll even admit that you're right, if you actually are ^^

[@KikomochiMendoza]

Vaush can definitely take on rational and decent people, even those he might have slight disagreement. But then again we wont get epic moments like coconut island, aldens number, and mask of tankies.

[@HeloisGevit]

the best calls are always the more deranged folk tho, comedy gold

[@marciamakesmusic]

@@Nerobyrne this is such a weirdly worded comment. If you think Vaush is some kind of truth arbiter, you should stop orbiting

[@Nerobyrne]

@@marciamakesmusic no, your brain just doesn't work properly. All I said is that I like it that he can have civil discussions as well.

[@Distortion0]

This person is really cool and I wish voices like this were more prominent.

[@chriskp]

Totally, how could be a NonCompete fan?

[@catboynestormakhno2694]

@@chriskp tbf NC didnt seem that mental when he started out making video essays, if anyting hes a clear example of video essayist being simple minded when pit against someone who debates for a living. not that video essays have no meaning in the leftshpere, but the puritan video essayist are just cancer

[@beo3828]

People like this are terrified at the concept of gaining attention, and rightfully so.

[@Vunomic]

@@catboynestormakhno2694 I have to disagree my friend, 3 arrows is one of the best video essayists that I think can hang out destroy in a debate with the insane amount of depth he holds his standards on the topic he chose to dissect. but you're opinion is the majority I guess.

[@Nessa-939]

@@Vunomic yeah but that's because he's german

[@elcastro5000]

This dude gives me some hope. He's quite reasonable. I went to noncompetes channel and the comments are mostly deranged tankies.

[@hotdogavenger7144]

I had a friend suggest that noncompete was just bad at debate but I watched some vids and there just as bad

[@elcastro5000]

@@hotdogavenger7144 yeah the dude strikes me as like a really religious person who doesn't understand their bible or whatever. But instead of the bible it's like theory and philosophy. Also his white savior bullshit he doez really pisses me off as a POC. Idk if he just likes to virtue signal or if he does idpol to distract from how bad his ideas are or what. I just know that it's uninformed and insufferable.

[@wohdinhel]

@@elcastro5000 that is literally just all tankies

[@shis1988]

@@elcastro5000 the fact he nonchalantly is ableist undoes it for me.

[@gabagoooby]

@@shis1988 I didn't have the patience to look through the whole non-compete streams, what did he do that was ableist

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

I actually really appreciate convos like this because I feel like a lot of people are in this inbetween position between liking Vaush and other creators even when said creators dislike him Hearing one of those people air out their grievances and have a good conversation about it is very nice.

[@someonerandom8552]

Agreed. It was cathartic in a way. And to be able to watch a civilised conversation is refreshing after so much drama, tbh

[@Beelzeboogie]

Honestly sometimes I wish I could just tell some of my favourite creators that they disagree with Vaush less than they think they do.

[@g40oz]

The key point is that they listen to each other.

[@Axxilles]

I am the Destiny fan version of that, lol. I blame Destiny for their breakup, and the fact that they don't have shared custody of their fan base, lol.

[@SA-mo3hq]

Idealism is when think, and when more think, more idealismer

[@tabryis]

And when you do a REAL bunch of thonk ur a cia agent

[@yoredeerleader]

You mean, like, the opposite of I have no fucking idealism?

[@Koich14]

I'm not entirely sure why, but the "more idealismer" made me shit myself laughing.

[@blargh3428]

That was the worst opening to a debate I've ever seen and really showed how he doesn't know wtf he is talking about. Ben Bergis reviewed that debate and you can literally see a pained expression on his face when NC was talking about idealism

[@SA-mo3hq]

@@Koich14 That's good praxis

[@joshmyer3906]

unironically, this is my favorite Vaush video yet ... the level of discourse going on here was fascinating. I almost want to go back with a pad and paper and take notes.

[@uninstaller2860]

When you have read all theory, you become the theory. Vaush: Look at me, I'm the theory now! But yeah, I've the same feeling, too. But I'm too lazy to write anything down. Maybe the editors could cut together a best of Vasush's takes

[@billhicks8]

I think the guest actually outdid Vaush on this occasion in regards to sounding more topically/socially aware. Not a competition, I know...

[@felicitys3621]

@@uninstaller2860 it would not include his Minecraft or Pizza takes

[@shis1988]

@@felicitys3621 and that's why we're putting him down. In Fortnite.

[@schnoz2372]

@@felicitys3621 wait what are his pizza takes does he eat ranch on it or something?

[@mogscugg2639]

God I wish more people could just grow a pair and say 'I prefer prepared content' rather than engaging in actual libel Good on this guy for talking to vungus

[@blakejohnson9730]

Vaush Vungus?

[@jennanyx4968]

This caller was pretty damn based. Ima nickname him The Wizard.

[@cjsumm1796]

Gonna end up with a pantheon if this keeps happening

[@rulerovall1219]

I’m not sure but….I think that’s KZbinr Xanderhal. Check out his video about the end of Breadtube and tell me that doesn’t sound like him.

[@sionnaich8340]

@@rulerovall1219 Xan and Vaush are friendly, if it was him he would've just said it lol; he also has a bit of a deeper voice.

[@ZHike360]

@@rulerovall1219 Xander is in NO WAY this read up on theory...

[@ironickrempt]

This was a surprisingly civil and constructive conversation

[@billbutton8468]

As someone coming in agreeing with the caller this is good to hear. Cant wait

[@robertarcher4672]

It is a very strange thing about politics that the best thoughts must be reiterated ad Infinitum because new people join the conversation constantly. The right is so facile they do it unintentionally.

[@katethegoat7507]

The right's talking points are everywhere in mainstream society. It's lefty stuff that is basically like "see that? That's bad" An example would be the patriarchy. It doesn't take any effort to adapt to a patriarchal society but it does take some to recognise problematic behaviour and it takes even MORE effort to recognise why they're problematic properly. The left has issues because it's that second step that people don't take, and because of that they just misunderstand what they're fighting for or against.

[@JukeboxTheGhoul]

@@katethegoat7507 AND how to fight those problematic problems

[@katethegoat7507]

@@JukeboxTheGhoul that's the next step

[@ProfDCoy]

When the conversation swivelled to money and economic understanding and the left, a commenter in chat said "Michael Brooks and David Graeber's deaths really hurt the Left" Mannnn, those deaths really did hurt the Left. 2020 was a year full of tragedies, but when those two died it felt like a tragedy of lost promise, of missed opportunities. Those were the two leftist voices who impressed me the most. The voices that best combined leftism, humour, wit, intelligence, learning and compassion. Since those two died I haven't been able to find a voice like that on the left - someone who has a believable vision of the future and a strong understanding of the past and present, someone who's able to communicate those two things in a way that's just fucking electric. I'd love to find voices like that again.

[@mineneuryuu3623]

Left is best... we will always have his Dave Rubin impressions. I don't know who David Graeber was I will look him up. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ProfDCoy]

@@mineneuryuu3623 Happy to suggest him! If you want an entrance into David Graeber I'd pick Bullshit Jobs. The book referenced in this video - Debt: The First 5000 Years - is definitely more on the money - literally: it's more about money - but it's a long read for someone who just wants an intro to Graeber. Bullshit Jobs is a shorter and easier read to make up your mind with.

[@GayTier1Operator]

they died of the same cause... embolism in their throat. they were so important for level headed left unity, i’m starting to think the CIA might be involved lol

[@narikobeilschmidt]

i've been on this since the beginning of the arc, chad move for NC would have been to just say "don't fucking talk about my wife like that" it's clear that NC was insulted by vaush's insults but desperately tried to cover that up with flimsy rhetoric and dialectical materialism, yadda yadda you know the memes. dude sounds like a total pushover now plus i bet NC doesn't even know what a TIFF is

[@TheViktorofgilead]

Yeah, but he probably knows about sewer socialism ;p

[@coldmedicine]

all dude has to do was white flight the fuck out of there.

[@ericktellez7632]

Exactly, i do not understand what was that weird angle NC came from. He should’ve come correct, I am actually on the guys side when it comes to his family as in I dont give a shit about debate and theory if you insult my family like vaush was doing to NC’s wife, then we are going to have an issue. It was obvious he was pissed at the language Vaush was using to critique Luna’s content, he should’ve been honest.

[@hughmac13]

@@coldmedicine But other rich whites moving in don't precipitate white flight…

[@rumncoke76]

It's funny that CTV (Critically Thinking Veteran) of all people has landed in a similar situation not long ago, and he did just that: said fuck you for talking shit on my family you asshole, and that was that. Of course, in NC's case the insults were much milder, but he still handled it like a bitch by trying to critically review his wife's opponent's insults of her

[@detectivekeaton4718]

The coolest thing about this convo is the way guest conducted was the perfect example of what he was initially probing Vaush to do more of: lead with drama to hook and then expand on educational stuff like lefty Econ

[@ericktellez7632]

Vaush made a great point regarding the economy during a revolution in other countries. In my country we had a civil war but our economy was almost entirely based on exporting oil. Despite having around 10 years of a civil war the economy actually kept growing because the oil exports kept stable trough out the duration of the civil war.

[@CervantesVI]

I thought that guy made a really good point about that one time Vaush did a quick little lesson after his talk with Jabson Himble. It's an advantage of the live stream format that I think Vaush should take more advantage of. Plus, if you make it part of the same video later, people don't have to go hunting for other videos or articles to become more informed on the subject.

[@RemixedVoice]

Couldn't agree more

[@kdoe1305]

What a nice conversation. Informative and way better than the drama dwelling and meme farming garbage I see generally. I know it’s dull and boring, but way better in the long run for oppressed people and minorities.

[@SpielkindFR]

How is this dull and boring?

[@Maze86753]

@@SpielkindFR I think they meant it can be. It’s definitely not as bombastic from what I’ve seen so far (2/3 through now) and for some people Debate is mostly blood sport. Some folks don’t actually really care about the true exchange of ideas in a constructive sense.

[@SpielkindFR]

@@Maze86753 Yeah I guess you ain't wrong with that. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy it when things get a little bit more contentious, but this is quite pleasing in its own right.

[@PianoMastR64]

I guess a little of both is ok. The highly entertaining nature of those other debates are partly what kept me here

[@Maze86753]

@@SpielkindFR it’s just not everyone’s cup of tea, that’s perfectly fair. Have your judgement for what that says about someone if they only care about the more contentious discussions but yanno: “don’t yuck other people’s yums" and all that

[@hobosorcerer]

Discourse has been dragged so far back that we're discussing the efficacy of hypotheticals.

[@ashlycaon5249]

People will literally be like you can’t watch vaush and my content, unsubscribe and just like why? I kinda just wanna chill and watch whatever interests me, watching a piece of media doesn’t even mean you’re a fan or agree with it

[@ashlycaon5249]

@Yussop op maybe I should be more specific aha, I didn’t mean literally it just feels really wierd seeing stuff like that, I guess it’s wholly unique to how communication works with the internet now days and my ape brain struggles

[@james_with_a_z]

​@@ashlycaon5249I know this is super late, but you're wrong. I watch vaush, all conservative grifters, and dead domain all because I agree with every single one of their political prescriptions simultaneously

[@james_with_a_z]

When vaush and Charlie kirk debated, they were both right in my eyes

[@conroconro]

This caller was a nice treat. Great feedback, great analysis, and just upbeat :)

[@AndrewLaReal]

“Was going to be Argentine doctor but now I’m central banker to the country” Lol, it’s rare to hear a Che reference

[@lautaroescarlon7501]

Arent those two different countries though?

[@lautaroescarlon7501]

From my understanding he stopped medical school in his home country (argentina) and became central banker in Cuba

[@spaghettimon3851]

¡Viva la Revolución y el Che! ¡Viva el Socialismo! 🇨🇺 ☭

[@AndrewLaReal]

@@lautaroescarlon7501 He did get his degree, but yes he was part of the revolution in Cuba

[@XiahouDun1225]

This man is going to get banned from NonCompete's community, watch.

[@Cruizinelli12]

He’s too good for that community anyway, since he demonstrates critical thinking skills, and doesn’t just regurgitate dogma from text books.

[@KalinTheZola]

@@Cruizinelli12 Hopefully he'll stick around the vaush community a little. We need level headed discourse from reasonable people who can check in when they think something might be off.

[@Holobrine]

Food for the algorithm, I really want these good faith convos to outperform bloodsports debates

[@iloveyourunclebob]

Idk about Vaush, but my ND brain needs hypotheticals a lot of times to understand another human's thought process or like where they're coming from or to explain myself because I have a hard time finding words but can find a simple hypothetical that gets my point across. Like....am I just losing it or is everyone being kind of actually ableist? I'm not asking for the meme....like seriously

[@70sman]

I'm autistic and I use hypotheticals to understand concepts better too... This shit is setting off some alarms to me as well

[@xerxies8947]

As an autistic person I also constantly use hypotheticals, I even use them to solidify my own ethical boundaries via socratic method because that's sort of the point.

[@iloveyourunclebob]

@@70sman its really disheartening. And I mean, Vaush might just like hypotheticals, but I think everyone who is against Vaush needs to be very careful about the way they talk about how his brain may work. Especially since there are plenty of people whose brains do work the way they find so "odd".

[@elcastro5000]

It's funny cause noncompete replied to me in his vaush video calling vaush ableist

[@gigangreg7837]

Ugh... sure, I guess everyone is just ableist. Gimme a break...

[@123sleepygamer]

This was a nice convo, also I like Vaush's facial expressions as he sips that coffee like "Did they use a different creamer? Too little sugar? Am I being poisoned?" I was more interested in what he was drinking just because of his faces lmao.

[@joeydrummer7929]

Really cool guy . Loved this conversation. Wish everyone was like him

[@erichansen2860]

Coconut Island has to be the greatest hypothetical situation.... Well, it used to be hypothetical for me...

[@VagabondTE]

Right now Vaush has a disappointing reluctance to talk to people who "agree with him" or do more informative videos. I'm calling it The Gamer Arc. I think it would help if he would remember his own slogan.. "Politics are dumb but very important"

[@Dash-dd1ro]

Ppl in his community and other ppl like destiny have been criticizing vaush for doing said thing though

[@VagabondTE]

@@Dash-dd1ro Which said thing? Him doing more important videos or avoiding them?

[@jascu4251]

I think the best people to get on are people that partially agree and partially disagree - it makes the disagreement part better because there's enough shared context from the agreement part. He also needs challenging on economics more specifically, so he can improve. The conversation with Econoboi should have been a perfect example of partial agreement and partial disagreement that should have been fruitful, but Vaush was too irritated to make the conversation work (mostly due to the fact Vaush didn't know enough, and knew that he didn't know enough There should be enough disagreement that synthesis can occur, but not so much disagreement that it can't For differing reasons I'd love to see Karen Stenner, Mark Blyth, and "Money & Macro" as guests

[@VagabondTE]

@@jascu4251 totally

[@GoncasCrazy]

This was a really intelligent and informative conversation and I love to see this kind of content on the channels!

[@SA-pi3zm]

this guy needs to start a channel called Better-Compete

[@LimeyLassen]

23:33 Vaush has gotta get some better beverage. It's like every time he takes a sip he cringes at it.

[@LimeyLassen]

32:35 it just gets worse 😭

[@rosebud1659]

This was such a nice, refreshing convo omg lol i think we all needed this positivity 😅 what a cool dude !

[@ricky4993]

My only criticism is that Vaushs coffee looks like the pitcher of poop from Austin Powers

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

Lmao

[@zacharyfoster7878]

"It's a bit nutty"

[@Mr.Septon]

If you in any way have a method to control for people like this, I would love to see more, so much more from people like this guy. It was just a simple, straightforward, informed, and sincere conversation. I probably got more enjoyment out of this than I have from most political stuff for a while now. I think that the Trump years have really burned me out on the hyper-partisan, arguing over basic facts. I think that I am pretty done on that for now. I love talking to people that I disagree with, but people where we acknowledge and work off of the same facts but simply come from different perspectives. So much of the space out there now has been infected with a general disregard for facts, and an actual desire to produce something through the conversation rather than just driving home talking points. I understand that when you go into certain platforms, your hands are tied and you gotta play the game as it exists, not as you want it to, but for here on your platform, it definitely would be more productive and at least personally more interesting, but I am willing to bet more people are down for chill politics these days than we realize.

[@Lanooski]

V's non-debate content is pretty slept on and the brand as a whole would benefit from highlighting that more often.

[@trex789123]

The 1 sensible NonCompete fan

[@incufish23]

Really enjoy the conversation. We're seeing more and more the emergence of lefttube 2.0 where beyond the foundations we go into nuance, how theory would work in the real world and how the viewer can get involved. St. Andrewism jumps to mind as the fore front of this new version of lefttube and I love it. I hope Vaush does the balance of going over basic theory and debunking and dunking on right talking points but also more conversations like this.

[@marcofelix5694]

"I blame destiny" I laughed a bit too hard at that😂😩🤦🏿‍♂️

[@j.afro775]

This is what my countless comments asking you to do better were. What an enlightened chat you both had. Truly some of your better PR

[@zolika1351]

Unexpectedly calm convo

[@Pitts_not_Pitty]

Why does NC have a KZbin channel and this guy doesn't. He's way more informed, thoughtful, and we'll spoken.

[@MDoorpsy]

Humility breeds wisdom, but is bad for business. NC doesn’t have humility, so he just talks out his ass and people believe him.

[@nathandrake5544]

@@MDoorpsy I think the guy who went from being a libertarian and a literal capitalist to an anarcho-communist has more humility than Vaush

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

@@nathandrake5544 clearly not, given how he's moved from that to accusing people of being racist for criticizing nationalists and thinks it's okay to defend Luna's homophobic canards against vaush

[@charleslesther3043]

Neither of those really relate to humility though

[@nathandrake5544]

@@herec0mestheCh33f It's racist to imply that Luna and Vietnamese who support their government are all brainwashed, yes. You don't know what to do about a POC from the global south who doesn't worship your white savior, so you just make up shit about them.

[@seththeawesome3366]

What a nice convo

[@talimn]

very constructive, guy made some good points. Vaush did too, as per usual. Keep it up, V!

[@doovstoover9703]

Vaush: the modern economy is infinitely complex, and any national revolutionary activity in a developed country would therefore have a massively negative effect on themselves and the world around them. Me, a citizen of Brexit Britain: 👀

[@roryokane5907]

Feels when.

[@chucku00]

Wrong Enchilada will say the caller is a paid actor...

[@kevin537]

Conversation like this or the Canadian Landbacker are the best content.

[@Dappis]

This dude could jumpstart a YT channel from this

[@ericktellez7632]

Ngl I came here expecting a shitshow, this turn out better than expected.

[@comradefreedom8275]

Same. Lol. I'm happy this went well.

[@jjdude5531]

A tinge of disappointment. But positivity is always nice

[@thinkublu]

man this was a nice convo

[@samham4461]

7:37 coffee 23:33 cofee

[@runagaterampant]

Agro = agrology Aggro = aggressive Know the difference. It might save your life.

[@harryo82]

24:42 such an important conversation.

[@Onkoe]

That one was really comfy :)

[@diamonddogez4270]

This is very good content.

[@cageybee7221]

this seemed like a relatively reasonable, amicable discussion to me honestly. far better than most interleft discourse these days.

[@fixedstare]

very informative video... wow vaush

[@MikeSpike117]

Refreshing

[@Nerobyrne]

Vaush: "Genocide is bad actually." Anti-vaushites: "Then I support it!"

[@kdawg2468]

This was super chill and interesting

[@SarahRoseCO10]

I do not think vaush was too aggressive, I never much liked the civility politics arc. This was a good convo though.

[@LimeyLassen]

I agree. It feels like the more incompetent someone is the less of a standard people hold them to. While people who are actually educated get run through the grinder.

[@theocho]

well, that was pretty wholesome.

[@tylergodfrey5064]

"leftists kind of scowl and go-" *ad starts*

[@stevena.simmons3203]

This is the best of your vids I've watched!

[@ramonaof12thdimension13]

The lefty econ takes section is soooo good!!!

[@dinosaysrawr]

Re: Video essayists, I feel like video essayists can take time and be deliberate, thoughtful, and strategic in how they present themselves, and most halfway-smart and halfway-functional people tend to have *some* sense of the sorts of comments and behavior that would be seen as embarrassing or shameful, so they conceal or polish over those pricklier or less-desirable parts of themselves. Also, it occurs to me that a person can choose (whether deliberately or instinctively) what to address and what to avoid in a video essay, so the gaps in their thinking or ethics might not be immediately apparent unless/until they are specifically challenged on those things.

[@solus5317]

I'm gonna let you in on a secret, the people I have met in my life who most rigidly hold to thinking rationally about all it is that they do, are also the most likely to believe that any thought they have comes to them rationally. They may indeed find beliefs they hold easy to _rationalize_. And those of us who have already found that weakness in ourselves find it quite obvious when others have not yet learned that lesson.

[@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

I had some similar shit I wanted to say glad this happened

[@cuackercuacks5043]

As an argentinian I apologize on behalf of my country for BadEmpanada

[@xxxxnekrosxxxx]

Don't be, he is an overcompensating white australian.

[@RURK_]

It's alright mate. Neither Aussies nor Argentinians bear any responsibility for any crazy frenzy he does

[@dylps7934]

This guy needs a KZbin channel

[@UncreativeShadi]

The dude is spitting facts, it's hillarious watching these lolcows, but I would love Vaush to read and speak about what he knows of sociology.

[@SuperSuperspoof]

19:34 “The good figures on these issues don’t get signal boosted.” You have it in your power to change this.

[@lydiafayre9806]

Just as a reaction to the title, I honestly think Noncompete and his sphere are just overly sensitive to have their ideas questioned and critically assessed.

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

When something becomes part of your core identity, we're all sensitive to having those ideas questioned. It's hard for most people to be introspective like that.

[@wfefwefwegergerrge209]

Zoe Baker once did a very well researched and articulated video critique to correct the way non-compete was using the concept of “platformism” and NC had a very knee-jerk reaction to it, got mad and started saying that she was just bad faith. I honestly think you are right. NC seems to have both a very poor understanding of many philosophical concepts but also seems very confident in being right about them, reacting poorly to any even mild criticism

[@coimbralaw]

So what? Aggro is life, it’s energy. You can never go hard enough.

[@QuantumTelephone]

I love this guy! He needs to be the tankie/vaush mediation channel

[@rohiogerv22]

What interests me is that, so the guy offhandedly mentions weak U.N. sanctions as a tangent to say that's probably *not* we're talking about, but I think as a realistic policy, that's probably exactly what we're taking about, yeah? Like, would it be an unacceptable infringement of sovereignty to treat a decolonized country the way the U.S. treats Iran, for example? Like, it just seems like a weird, massive jump to me to immediately read "but we would still be able to set up a shadow bureaucracy to keep the decolonized in line, right?" into Vaush's question.

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

This reminds me of the Wolfe fan who went to Destiny after the Socialism debate. It's so annoying that so many personalities have these conflicts then the fans hash it out but it doesn't get connected so there's a feeling of certain chunks of audiences just spiraling off. It's like you can feel the potential left connection vanishing as they become crazy examples crashing upon Vaush's shores of pragmatism.

[@Tacklepig]

That debate was horrid, though. Richard Wolff literally argues for democratic capitalism and calls it socialism.

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

@@Tacklepig socialism is when the workers control the means of productions. The workers control the means of productions under capitalism. Just because there are still markets, doesn't mean it's not real socialism. Markets existed before socialism

[@carlospitol4693]

First time commenting on a vaush video because this was based.

[@anno-fw7xn]

i liked the talk !

[@comradefreedom8275]

That was based.

[@egg9033]

He was really nice

[@GaryParris]

Thar was a good conversation!

[@tylerhackner9731]

NonCompoop

[@craigstephenson7676]

NinCompoop

[@stanmyler9037]

One outstanding problem with Vaush is that he brags and boast of himself too damn much. And that makes me really wonder about his true intentions for getting on the Internet and championing us "Black People". Just don't know about this guy at times.

[@JazzTheBass]

You can’t go too hard on people who want their detractors be put into concentration camps

[@Dash-dd1ro]

Faxx

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

you can't go too hard on people who will lie about your positions

[@nicholasalexanderguerrero7449]

Vaush engaging with actual criticism for his debate and Convo style is based.

[@grayson0916]

ALGORITHM

[@jackskellingtonsora]

Why couldn't people like this have the youtube channels instead of insane people? The world would be a better place. I guess probably because nuanced discussion isn't actually entertaining enough to get views.

[@LimeyLassen]

Positions of community leadership tend to go to people who want it the most. (ie, weirdos)

[@andrewjustice210]

When I saw the title, I thought it was gonna be another Vaush slaughter fest… it was nice seeing him in a DISCUSSION again… debates are good, and “debunk videos” are good, but having two people who might disagree have a conversation and just TALK about things instead of screaming, mocking, or listening to RedSkull refuse to say yes/no for 2.5hrs was nice lol

[@vulpixelful]

I describe myself as a "champagne socialist" sometimes because I want the de-commodification of life essentials like housing and healthcare, but I also know that people will want luxury items to enjoy, especially after automation makes it so people need to do less physically/mentally to keep things running day-to-day. PS10 VR Holopods in your well-maintained, brick brownstone public housing when?

[@unreasonablyagreeable1081]

Yeah, I feel the same. As much as I want everyone to hear Healthcare, housing, livable wages, etc etc... I like driving a BMW. I like owning my own home and other luxury items. If people don't want or like these things, thats fine but you can't deny people things that have already existed because "communism" says it shouldn't exists. Why I can't be a communist, especially a broke ass tankie.

[@vulpixelful]

@@unreasonablyagreeable1081 To be fair, I don't think modern communism is the same as eastern bloc austerity. But a lot of people in online leftist communities are very young and/or been screwed over economically by our current system. People who aren't getting their basic life needs met no matter how much they work don't really want care to talk about luxury goods. But I know most of the broader world will _not_ be on board with de-commodifying life essentials if it means they cannot have a desirable quality of life with some nice things. Plus, things that were considered luxuries have room to become commonplace, like washing machines and toasters. Even though I'm gainfully employed and well-housed now, I remember what it was like when I wasn't and can appreciate how easily I can get back there with the onset of one debilitating health emergency. But now I also appreciate leisure time and I want everyone to have more of it. With technology, it's practically inevitable. I'm definitely not a "work camp" old world leftist Luddite...

[@Tacklepig]

@@vulpixelful I agree somewhat. I also think that luxury goods (and monetary rewards) are important to get certain jobs done in a de-commodified society. You know that right-wing argument about "who will shovel shit in the sewers under socialism?" yeah, this is the answer to that. Give the people who do the unpopular jobs lots of cash, have them get the most luxury out of life because they suffer the most from society. I think a lot of leftists are stuck a bit in the past with their ideas of "seizing the means of production" etc

[@Tacklepig]

@@unreasonablyagreeable1081 tbh I agree except for the BMW part, I feel like private cars should be abolished. For different reasons though, not because of communism, just because objectively not having them is better for the environment, and cities not being built mostly for car use ends up being way better for the health of the inhabitants. Also, btw: your view is not incompatible with even extremely far left positions. Like I'm 100% anticapitalist and think people should have nice things, just that also everyone should be on a base level that allows them to live comfortably even if they don't work for shit.

[@untraceablefgc-9mkii251]

@@Tacklepig yeah private motorized transportation is big nono.

[@ezhanyan]

a great convo

[@hyperx72]

5:23 Destiny got destroyed in this debate.

[@sergioaugusto166]

Burns's Normal Theory proven yet again

[@Colgruv]

Video Title: Did I Go Too Hard? Me, having watched live: Oh fuck did I miss part of the convo?

[@DiThi]

I think the question relates to EJ's debate, not to this fan.

[@Hreodrich]

29:26…” who the fuck could predict?” Ted Kaczinski: 😐

[@nicholasalexanderguerrero7449]

Vaush fights the good fight.

[@papa_bless5920]

He sounds like young Mark Zuckerberg

[@dezmondsunflowerviii8396]

Vaush good

[@RedHedDes]

This guy is better than NonCompete at debating

[@totty2524]

omg, stop with the pepe posting chat

[@AudioElf]

Vaush take a good, good look at what's happening in South Africa, where the oppressed are the majority.

[@nopasaran191]

Yes you definitely went to hard on him. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I love vaush and I love non compete. We need more left unity. While we always need to have these arguments and respectful disagreements we need to be comrades first and foremost.