Are Dragons from the Spirit World? [ Avatar The Last Airbender l Legend of Korra ]

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[@HelloFutureMe]

Hey everyone! *EDIT: I say in the video "we only meet the dragons [Ran, Shaw, and Druk]." My bad - we, of course, meet Fang, Roku's dragon, who is clearly addressed in the video around the ****8:00**** mark.* This was a *really* fun theory to research. There was just so much to it! QotD: which conspiracy theory do you *kind of* believe, even if just a little? Best theory gets ten points and a blessing from supreme leader Mishka. ~ Tim

[@cameoshadowness7757]

Hello Future Me I hate how LoK spat on ATLA's tribute to Eastern culture. The best conspiracy theory is the Illuminati. They control a lot but live in the shadows. People joke about them and don't believe in them and they exploit that.

[@zachryder3150]

The World Trade Center building 7. It wasn't hit by a plane, it was brought down by "fires" caused my ash coming from the Twin Towers across the street. If the official story is to be true, WTC 7 is the only concrete building *EVER!!* to be brought down by fires. So this conspiracy theory is justified due to the US government making an impossible claim...

[@Demisaurus]

A conspiracy theory I really like and kinda believe actually has to do with today's topic: in a lot of cultures, eastern, western, african, latin american and even some myths in oceania, contain dragons. i don't know if this counts as a conspiracy theory, but there are rumours of them actually having existed, or even still exist. I very much like to believe it. there's also the rumour that they are hidden somewhere, and like gods controlling the most important stuff. but I'm not sure about that. haven't found anything online (maybe the dragons remove everything revolving around that conspiracy)

[@fireking4937]

Could you do a video over the earth kindom civil wars ?

[@Lashb1ade]

The conspiracy conspiracy! The US government deliberately creates stupid/crazy conspiracies (i.e. moon landings faked, 9/11 was an inside job...) in order to make people less believing of the genuine conspiracies that go on like, say, that the NSA is spying on everyone.

[@topheye6318]

Also, Iroh probably discovered that if he killed the last remaining dragons, something similar to the northern attack would happen. The sun would probably black out, and that may be the reason he decided to spare them. Or he was simply taught at some point the "ways of the sun" and therefore started to really respect the dragons.

[@Anatomic6]

I like the thinking but how would he know without trying? Maybe he saw a spirit? But he could only see spirits because he was spiritually enlightened, or so I choose to believe. Idk just a lot of interesting questions that come with that outlook

[@Geekus]

“You rise with the moon; I rise with the sun!” -Zuko I also can’t help but notice the symmetry of bending sources: Water, celestial bodyEarth, animalFire, celestial body,Air, animal Winter, spring, summer, and fall. The solstice season elements use their respective celestial objects, the elements of equinoxes use animals. It all fits extraordinarily neatly.

[@munkh-undragabilegsaikhan4637]

I also kept thinking about that line !!! thank God.

[@TheDeathmail]

But I think that it's because while the Moon was the 1st water bender, the source of the bending is the moon spirit...

[@JoahTheThread5ive]

I also can’t help but notice the symmetry of bending sources: Water: celestial body, Earth: animal, Fire: celestial body, Air: animal.

[@tommoore2012]

@@JoahTheThread5ive Yeah I couldn’t read what he said either. Thanks for rewriting it :)

[@saikrithiks2870]

Winter, spring Summer and fall 🎶 🎶 🎶 4 seasons, fou-our love 🎶 🎶 🎶 -Uncle Iroh

[@jetx2599]

They took the form of a existing species. For example, koi fish already existed in that universe and it just happened that the spirits took that form but not every koi is spiritual. So the spirits took the form of those two opposite colored dragons just like the moon spirits took the form of the opposite colored koi fish and then just hid among the rest of the species

[@HelloFutureMe]

This is a really good thought to add! ~ Tim

[@fludduck]

What if one's like the sun and one's like the void. Like how Tui and La are the Moon and Ocean Spirit. If there are two of them they should be two different things, right? And I also thought that those two are the spirits but the rest of the dragons are non spirits directly, but I thought perhaps they were all like semi-spiritual descendents.

[@jetx2599]

fludduck maybe one is the sun and the other is lava ? Idk, I feel like the blue dragon symbolizes something but im not sure what it could be.

[@SecondXChance]

The sky maybe? Possibly too much overlap with air though...

[@BK-ku1zt]

I assume the blue one represents lightning, if fire bending at it's core is about energy then that would make sense. And lightning benders are a type of fire benders.

[@flowergirl4878]

"Our ancestors saw how the moon pushed and pulled the tides and learned to do it themselves" - Princess Yue

[@shaunakkulkarni4679]

Wait I thought lion turtles were the source of all bending.

[@justincapoferri9621]

Lord Ossas the lion turtles were able to bestow the element they embodied to the people that lived on them when they would go into the spirit wild to hunt for food. Once raava and wan became one, the lion turtles stopped giving people elemental use because now it was up to the avatar to protect humanity and no longer the lion turtles. also, the lion turtle bending wasn’t exactly an art form. it wasn’t until the people started learning from the masters ie: the moon, the dragons, the bisons, and the badger moles that this became an art form

[@apocadood2099]

@@justincapoferri9621 👍

[@ethanbeharry9478]

You know, it's kinda weird how I expected that to be dirty

[@ethanbeharry9478]

@@shaunakkulkarni4679 you know what, let's just pretend the second half of LoK never even happened, ok?

[@novaiscool1]

I think that the blue dragon is the spirit of the storm, from witch lightning bending is derived.

[@anisatammie7048]

Good Theory

[@alzhanvoidsansado]

Or the sky. I dont think we ever get a sky spirit. The sun and the moon. The sea and sky.

[@dominickeijzer5844]

@@alzhanvoidsansado I feel like that'd be an airbending spirit, because the sky is air. Edit: I suppose this would also mean it's ground and sky, which is better because sea is somewhat between. (Between solid and gas is liquid, and the sea can have a murky brown colour, be transparent, be blue or green. It's a mix.)

[@uselessvidproduction]

I like to think Ren and Shaw represent not just the sun, but rather the sunrise and sunset. Since the sun turns the sky into a beautiful vibrant color during those moments, just as their fire-breathing did :).

[@silent_cheddar5181]

I believe that maybe one Dragon is the embodiment of the Sun. The other Dragon maybe lesser Sun Spirits. Like how the Earth Spirits guard the Earth but none of them are the Earth itself. Edit: So the Koi fish are the Moon and Ocean so what if Ren is the Sun and Shaw is the Sky? Just a thought.

[@Mitchacho74]

Your edit is what I was thinking, if the fish were the moon and ocean, maybe Ren and Shaw are the sun and fire?

[@maniacram]

Silent_Cheddar why do you HAVE to say lesser?

[@ironwill6148]

maniacram Why do you HAVE to take issue with that?

[@maniacram]

Local Bus Driver Cause 1. He is wrong? And 2. Refer No.1 and also 3. How can one be the “lesser” spirit if they’re both essentially the same “species”. Logic yo

[@ironwill6148]

maniacram The existence of the lesser spirits is not vital to the existence of the sun. Hence why once the dragons were driven to near extinction the sun went essentially unaffected. Mind you this is all just head-cannon meant to justify the op’s speculation, so all-in-all it doesn’t really matter.

[@danielheffernan2038]

reminder: Do ATLA spirits reproduce??

[@Exarch35]

He thanked you!

[@danielheffernan2038]

im confused by your reply

[@fredmeat2825]

He thanks you for the spirit reproduction thing at 6:20.

[@connorgary5453]

mother of faces and the face stealer dude

[@jameskong197]

Yes they do

[@borkenhautgollum8567]

You know maybe the spirits of the sun just are Ran and Shaw because they just seem taller than any other dragons we saw in the show and all other dragons you see breathing fire just have red and normal fire. So all other dragons were/are just simmilar spirits or even just descendants of the two first dragons (I hope it makes sence 😅)

[@ImranAli-gy1kj]

borkenhaut Gollum it does and you’re very very smart good job 👏

[@twilightshadow91]

Not to mention that Iroh knew that you should not trifle with spirits when Zhao wanted to kill the moon spirit. Iroh is also the one that said he killed the last dragon, when he obviously did not. He either killed a dragon that was not the last dragon or he didn't kill the dragon. I think it's the second one. This is why I think Iroh knew what the consequences are of the actions of Zhao and why he tried to stop him. He almost made that mistake himself to kill the sun.

[@dustinjoosen5901]

losing the sun will have bigger problems then the moon...

[@yeahkeen2905]

Dustin well it’s meant to be a spiritual thing not a physical thing so it’d probably have the same consequences.

[@espyroxl1346]

That is true and iroh also is the only one other then the avatar to travel to the spirit world so it is possible he learned the secret behind the dragons in the spirit world

[@nautikient2151]

Why were the fire nation try killing dragons

[@kofi-kun6420]

@@nautikient2151 Because dragons are mighty "fire benders" so if you're strong enough to onw kill it's seen as an legendary archievement. After allegedly killing the last dragon, Iroh was nicknamed "the dragon of the...." .

[@jamesbudd3096]

My cousin is off fighting dragons, and I'm on guard duty

[@colenault3541]

Wtf

[@kevinvu5432]

@@colenault3541 skyrim

[@colenault3541]

Kevin Vu thanks I thought he was stupid

[@ForeverSus]

Damn, it’s because you took that arrow to the knee.

[@jaxleberry6396]

I had a guard say this immediately after he helped me kill a dragon in one of the cities and i????? The skeleton is right there broski

[@mrazza6182]

My favourite Zuko line is when he fights Katara in the Northern Water Tribe, “You rise with the Moon, I rise with the Sun.”

[@mahinhossain7647]

My favourite is when sokka was talking about how his first girlfriend turned into the moon and Zuko just said "That's rough buddy"

[@HashimThaDream]

Hey Tim!!! Love your work! I have a theory: Is the Sun Warriors’ “Sun Stone” treasure actually a Stone...or is it a DRAGON EGG??? In “The Firebending Masters” Zuko states that the Stone feels “almost alive”. What if the Stone was actually the egg from which his Dragon, Druk, eventually hatches from??? @Hello Future Me

[@thatoneguywiththevoice328]

Yes this is true

[@thatoneguywiththevoice328]

Nickelodeon's official avatar account has mentioned "Isn't it cool that Zuko's dragon is a descendent of Ran and Shaw" (This also does mean that dragons are a life long paired species, which is really cute to me. HUGE POWERFUL DRAGONS THAT HAVE A MASTERY OF FIRE! That are actually just a lovely married couple)

[@PandoRem]

I know I'm super late to this, but I also find it interesting that Ran and Shaw and Tui and La have another connection, at least in our world's mythology. There's a myth where by swimming against the current and reaching the top of the Yellow River, a koi fish was turned into a dragon by the gods, recognizing it's perseverance. So in a lot of eastern dragon myth, iconography, and fiction you see koi fish associated with and turning into dragons. Ran and Shaw have the snake like bodies and reverence associated with eastern dragons, but not the water associations, taking fire from their western counterparts. But Tui and La are connected to eastern dragons through their form as well.

[@zachryder3150]

* Sees Hello Future Me uploaded an Avatar video * Me: *WAIT!!!!!!!* * Grabs popcorn and sacrifice for Lord Mishka * Me: okay.... continue...

[@Tomn_n]

0:08 Beter CGI lips than Justice League

[@raptorus7773]

I never actually thought about this, especially with Fang in the Spirit world. And the whole mythology behind different Asian dragons. This is why I thank God for Tim. All Hail Mishka! Kawwwwwwww!

[@HelloFutureMe]

#allhailMishka! So happy you enjoyed it. ~ Tim

[@josephstalin1079]

I thought spirits cant bend

[@SCP.343]

Planet Uranus some can, but you can't element bend while astral projecting.

[@kush2319]

You mean thank Mishka

[@darryljack6612]

Recently found your your channel and i love your respect for the shows you do and the cultures behind them

[@HelloFutureMe]

There's so much outside the show we need to think about, and the lore of Avatar is so well-founded, it's really helpful to reference them. ~ Tim

[@darryljack6612]

Hello Future Me any other shows deep rooted with easten culture that you might dive into

[@k9commander]

9:18-9:37 Counterpoint. I believe badger moles can give visions. They just do it in a way befitting an Earth-bender. An Earth-bender takes things head on. Therefore, I believe that an Earth-bender vision is literal vision. The ability to see. Toph was born blind. Through her Earth-bending, that she learned from the badger moles, she is able to see. I believe the badger moles gave her Earth-bending VISION. Toph doesn't just see with her Earh-bending. She can also use it to tell if people are lying. She is one of the greatest judges of character. Able to sense a person's true character within seconds of being in their presence. Though she is blind, Toph has better vision than all others.

[@aaronsital7078]

k9commander 🤯🤯🤯

[@keiferbowers4039]

I don't think it's a special ability given by other creatures or spirits. It seems to be an ability that is able to be learned. Both of her children know how to do it.

[@Elphaba2416]

Could it be possible Fang was able to go into the Spirit World because his soul was linked to Roku's?

[@fuckoff6639]

Also when katara and Zuke were battling in the North Pole while katara was getting strong thanks to the moon Zuko gets stronger when the sun rises

[@jordanteslapainsake6657]

@12:08 Conspiracy I kinda believe: Aang is Suyin Beifong's Father. Exhibit "A" Opal Beifong. Now before you say that Aang wouldn't do that to Katara, or that she wouldn't allow it... consider this... Blood bending is a thing that Katara knows. If Toph wanted another child and asked Katara, the water bender could have easily just bent Aang's dna into her.(Think on it clinically, don't make it weird) It would make sense that Toph refused to tell them who their parents were believing that it shouldn't matter to THEM if one was the child of the Avatar, but not willing to outright lie to them about it. Aang of course would respect her choice on how to raise them especially given that Suyin wasn't an airbender. We have heard of his failings as a parent in both Korra season 2 and the Legacy's book describing their family history. Naturally, Toph's Earth nature would be more dominant, and thus their child would be an earth bender too, however she would still be able to pass it on. Especially if we look at the theory that all the "New" airbenders were actually just recessive descendants, awakened by the spiritual density of the harmonic convergence. On a side note, it is said that women often choose the same types of men that they see their mothers choose. Lin Beifong got along "Great" with Aang, and even romantically pursued Tenzin. presumably after Suyin was sent to live with her grandmother. As we've seen in flashbacks. Suyin was always difficult to control and refused to follow the rules, choosing FUN over responsibility. (Does this reminder us of any penguin sledders?) We learned that during her childhood and young adult life, Suyin had several different adventures including sailing on a pirate ship, joining a traveling circus, and living in a sandbender commune. Traveling the world just like a nomad. She is shown to be more accepting of pretty much any other culture or way of life, just as the air nomads were described as by Kya in the comics. When we first see Zoufu, we see that she has made metal bending far more versatile than either Lin or their mother. Using it even as a form of dancing. (Anyone remember Aang's day in the fire nation education system?) Then, Suyin's youngest child Opal, is revealed to be an airbender. In Korra, it is said that she is a natural. Korra's tone even implying almost disbelievingly so. What if she had her air bending longer than everyone thought? And her mother only made it public when the other airbenders began popping up? They could have kept the secret in Zoufu the entire time, and it would explain why Opal was never allowed to leave. As well as why no one else seemed too excited about the revelation. Further, this would also explain how and why Toph and Suyin made up. This was only said to have been "Years ago" not how many... But definitely AFTER she settled down and built Zoufu. One day her daughter begins airbending and Suyin finally figures out who her dad is. In doing so realizing WHY neither of them were told. So she goes to Toph for confirmation and they work things out. It also explains why Toph was willing to just drop Lin's dad's name on Bolin so easily, and why Opal didn't seem curious in the slightest about her mom's dad when she did so. Please let me know what you think.

[@derekclinton9438]

Aang and Toph both have lighter skin than Suyin.

[@1LifeOnLine]

do you watch Shadiversity?? by any chance? :)

[@1LifeOnLine]

if so then MACHICOLATIONS!!!! ;)

[@EmethMatthew]

Because SWORDS!

[@boredfangerrude]

Because swords are awesome! Also, you did it wrong, Markys. It's more like this: MACHICOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!

[@HelloFutureMe]

MACHICOLATIONS!!!!!! #whataboutdragons ~ Tim

[@joshgrabinski]

I thought that too 😂

[@meme0taker87]

also note that the dragon that is training Wans with firebending has no wings meaning it flies on it's own making it seem a lot more like a spirit.

[@blazekarma]

Discovered your channel only recently, you make awesome content and I've binge watched a ton - then just realised you're from NZ! As a fellow NZer, greetings from Dunedin :D

[@HelloFutureMe]

Greetings from Christchurch! ~ Tim

[@brunohentschel3023]

Are you sure you're from NZ? Dunedin totally sounds like a place in Middle Earth, although I guess there's a thin line between the two... :D Also, always glad when new people discover this awesome channel. Not that I'm the oldest viewer, but welcome anyway :)

[@zerberus2046]

Hello Future Me Oh thats where your accent comes from! I always wondered :D

[@atidyshirt]

Lol I didn't know this hi from Chch

[@vajeye-nar6172]

Omg hes a kiwi!

[@desmanostrikes5644]

"WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS" #Shadiversity

[@sreckocuvalo8110]

MACHICOLATION!!!

[@jonahterkeurs8568]

SWORDS!!!!!!

[@Soinetwa]

ye i had to think about him as well :)

[@FulanoConPsicosis]

"Finally, i have found it... there you are, my own sun, hahahahhahahahahahaha" "Praise the Sun!!!!!"

[@GaarasBFF0911]

I suddenly have an idea: maybe because Ran and Shaw deemed Zuko worthy they began to being back the dragons into the world. That's why Zuko ends up with his own dragon in the LoK. Or maybe they managed to find more dragons like they did with the sky bison, but I like to think that deeming Zuko, and the avatar, worthy was an important step. There's speculation that Zuko's dragon is the child of Ren and Shaw, but maybe like other dragon eggs in mythos it either takes a lot of time for an egg to batch or the 'right sorta hero' needs to appear for that egg to finally hatch

[@vicenteortegarubilar9418]

Makes sense to me. I take it.

[@cailemkostiuk377]

That could be why Iroh told everyone he killed the last dragon, so no one took out the sun spirit and therefore killed the sun and all life on the planet. It would also mean that Iroh would turn on anyone who tried to kill similar spirits, such as the moon spirit at the end of the first season.

[@thomnasilikeswordfighting5506]

YES! i love that my favorite you tubers watch each other's vids

[@lordlard2833]

"But what about dragons?!" - Shadiversity Love that guy too. Thanks for the awesome video!

[@michaelhenry3234]

So, two things: The dragons are numerous. We assume that there were once hundreds of dragons, before they were hunted. So does this mean they are sun spirits, emphasize it being plural. The moon spirit was apparently unique, contrary to this theory of dragons. Secondly: Does this mean the Fire Nation tamed and subdued spirits? That's pretty hardcore.

[@isabellatheresemateo3961]

I remembee you saying you were goint to make a video about "How Spirits reproduce" And a "Greek Mythology Family Tree" As well. Awesome video as always, keep it up, and all hail Mishka 😸😸👑👑

[@StepBaum]

Awesome video, with lots of love and detail in it :)

[@HelloFutureMe]

Thank you! :) ~ Tim

[@StepBaum]

No need to thank for praise that is deserved!

[@stetsonnecaise3507]

Love your videos man, so much put in to them, thanks a thousand

[@sadekmiah3122]

Wan's story does NOT break continuity - The 5 main points *The Lion turtles didn't give people the ability to bend it was the animals?* - No it wasn't the lion turtles gave Aang the ability to energy bend and similarly can give others the power to bend other elements. However they cannot bend these elements themselves. ("The era before the Avatar we bend not the elements but the energy within ourselves"). Therefore they wern't the original benders but instead the Badger moles, Dragons, Moon Spirit and Air Bisons were. They then taught the humans how to bend. (We even see Wan learn from a dragon how to properly bend). Those prior to this who didn't learn from a dragon can't bend properly they just jab fire out. (When they see Wan bend they even say "the way Wan bends fire its like nothing Ive ever seen before he bends it as if it were an extension of himself"). Then when the lion turtles leave at the end bending occurs naturally from biology and people are taught by the Badger Moles, Dragons, Moon spirit and Air Bisons. If we took it to mean you get the powers from the Badger moles etc.... it wouldn't work in ATLA no one (other then the sun warriors) had seen a dragon in years and could still bend e.g. Zuko. So that idea is completely flawed. *It goes against the story of Oma and Shu?* No it doesn't. Think about it in Wan's story the only benders we see are fire and air benders the two oldest elements. When Wan goes to see the Earth Lion turtle we don't see anyone bending. Oma and Shu must of learnt to bend after the lion trutles already left, they learnt from the Badger moles. Yes Wan may have learnt to bend before but he is the Avatar so wouldn't really be considered. The other factor is that it could just be a fairy tale. *There was never a spirit in the Avatar?* Yes there was Katara even says it in Season 1 episode 3 when Aang goes into the Avatar state Sokka asks whats happening and she responds "it's his Avatar spirit." *There has been 1000's of Avatars but Wan became an Avatar only 10,000 years ago that doesn't add up?* It was never stated that Korra's Harmonic Convergence was the next one after Wan's but the next one where Vaatu was free (Because of Unalaq). Similarly the number 10,000 in chinese culture represents infinity (ATLA is based heavily from chinese culture) using this time makes the Avatar appear ancient and means 10,000 isn't the actual number but a number so large we just call it infinity. This also works well because in ATLA the lion turtles are meant to be seen as ancient and older than time itself. So if they were around before the Avatar (therefore over infinity) then this works. *Wan does immoral things I don't agree with* - How is this even a point? So does Aang and Korra. Wan is human he is obviously going to make mistakes. Having a perfect character from the get go is unrealistic and boring I want to see a character grow. Please list more complaints. There was quite a few but some were trivial and didn't even break lore just small things like "I didn't like Air nomads can float on clouds." I am focusing on points that affect the lore.

[@Frankthegb]

That's one hell of an apologetic comment you've got there.

[@sadekmiah3122]

Cody the Schmuck Thanks

[@shadenox8164]

Second point kind of undermines the first. We know bending can't be learned if you don't have the ability and we've only seen the ability given by lion turtles and harmonic convergence. Personally I would just say what's most likely is the story of Oma and Shu at its most basic is correct however part of it has became more exaggerated as time went on. So they probably weren't the first human earthbenders ever, but by observing the badermoles they managed to do what was beyond other people at the time. As the influence of the lion turtles was forgotten they would begin to associate this story with the origin of earthbending. Happens in cultures all the time.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

Sadek Miah yes it does Wan’s story about the origin of the Avatar is fucking awful and it destroys the entire lore.

[@sadekmiah3122]

Dell12 16 Care to elaborate? Did you even read my comment?

[@SellavinAtoms]

I love this video because I can tell you did a lot of work into the video.

[@222Julchen222]

The intro is so adorable cx

[@Mrviccietor]

So cool that you still research avatar!!

[@mikendoye2078]

Jeeeez man i love your videos so much i love atla so much and everytime i watch ur avatar theories i think about the show and keep theorising watched the show about 9 times. I appreciate the time you put in these videos and i see you like to make these. Just wanted to say that you should never stop making these theories keep up the work much love❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@seereebee]

I love this channel, I wish more people would make videos about Avatar

[@natt07048]

I'd like to think that the red dragon is the spirit of the sun, while the blue dragon is the spirit of the sky. Just to make a parallel with the moon and ocean.

[@wood-lee1832]

I've ever needed his channel forever

[@frejaordell800]

A channel that covers both lord of the rings and the last airbender lore! Subscribed 8-) Only my second video and I already love what you're doing.

[@orioncrawford9618]

I can see the dragon could strong spirtual connection, my be the decendants of the sun spirt after it took physical form. Just one simple to why i cant see them as the sun spirits as i should see only one spirt per aspect. We see two spirits that deal with faces, however one only steal faces while the other can change them

[@sylendraws1249]

But what the crap are Lion Turtles?

[@harshvardhan990]

It's weird how the Origin of Avatar was supposed to clear things up but instead it messes the lore. I guess they shouldn't have explained the magic and allowed us to guess and maybe left hints throughout the comics.

[@DarthSears]

My surmising is that the Lion Turtles are and were the original ones capable of giving and taking away bending from mortals, but when the spirit world and the mortal world were separated, the Lion Turtles' job no longer held meaning, and as such, gave passed on the process of teaching to the "original" benders; the Bison, Moles, Moon, and Sun. And over time, when more and more Avatars were born the fewer and fewer people remembered the Turtles and their power.

[@HelloFutureMe]

I actually made a video about that: Are Lion Turtles Gods? One of my favourite videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWq2lGapiLd6mdE ~ Tim

[@amarisin1228]

Gods

[@willhunt8506]

Awesome

[@personfromdark3469]

You're theory videos give me positive energy. Keep it up :).

[@idkman1195]

You should do a video on Aangs parents.

[@ghostpurr9570]

Hai bai turned into a panda when he wasn't angry anymore So dragons might be regular fire bending animals while some of them can be spirits

[@dobbyqwerty]

Love your stuff mate. Great to see a kiwi making awesome youtube content. Shout out from Dunedin :)

[@endarus6053]

I mean... dragons do breath fire... Unless it’s an IceWing, but that’s a whole other story.

[@pearlrowell.]

Thanks for the vid!

[@andrewriker4369]

I know what you are talking about for that spirit video, do I get a gold star 🌟

[@sirsym2060]

That little “oh” after the pond of primordial koi fish bit killed me.

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Excellent theory on the origins of Dragons in the Avatar world Tim! It is freaky brilliant! :)

[@Ichigo2058]

i love love looove your avatar videos!

[@wayneelixson7684]

Hello Tim thank you for your videos I always look forward to them. I have a question what do you think an earth avatar's animal guide. Thank you.

[@super-weirdo5219]

*sees new Avatar video on Hello Future me* Me: WOOHOO! more avatar theories! This video was super interesting. Tim you still need to remember to do that video on the Greek Gods' family tree from the poll two months ago. ALL HAIL MISHKA!!!!!

[@HelloFutureMe]

It's coming, I promise! ~ Tim

[@HexenkoeniginVonAngmar]

00:06 Shadiversity wants his shirt print back + We also meet Fang, though he is dead of course.

[@julez2106]

I love your videos!!

[@lamarthomas7607]

plz do more video with information on avatar the last airbender.. they r so many question to be andwerd about the series but good job bruh love ur channel 👊

[@gametroncocmc7708]

I love your avatar videos

[@tomasa.5574]

OMG I LOVE YOUR AVATAR VIDS !!!!!!

[@evanvogl4716]

Awesome detail

[@noahmonfrini2393]

Im not lost anymore. Love you tim.

[@tillmartens5770]

also iroh is talking about positiv and negative energy to create lighning so the two dragons could represent the two kind of energies

[@viraajvirk8411]

Amazing video

[@Real_and_young]

0:13 did he forget about Roku and Sozin’s dragon 🐉

[@chenoaholdstock3507]

I GOT THE WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS REFERENCE!!!!!!

[@natetruehart7562]

Great video as always man but I have a question that's been on my mind for awhile. How would you feel about an Avatar RPG similar to the elder scrolls series. Personally as long as it was made right I think I would really enjoy it.

[@radku9155]

You deserve way more subs

[@multiminecraftguy23]

I love the avatar videos so much.

[@martaimitchell9628]

I love your videos!!!!

[@kevinmalley3698]

Awsome vid time traveler. And ALL HAIL MISKA

[@Tepdrew]

You also forgot the Mysyery Class dragons being sorted. Here are some I thought of, along with the Unknown Class. - Armorwing- Stoker, Boulder Boneknapper- Fear Buffalord- Stoker, Ancient (Possible for older, rarer dragons) Cavern Crasher- Stoker, Toxic(Possible class for those with gas or acid) Changewing- Fear, Toxic Death Song- Fear Dramillion- Stoker Flightmare- Fear, Strikes, Toxic Foreverwing- Boulder, Ancient Gobsucker- Toxic Hideous Zippleback- Fear, Toxic Sandbuster- Boulder Slithersong- Fear Slitherwing- Toxic Smothering Smokebreath- Stoker, Fear Snaptrapper- Fear, Toxic Sweet Death- Boulder, Fear, Toxic Sword Stealer- Stoker, Boulder Lycanwing- Strike, Fear, Ancient Shadow Wing- Strike Silkspanner- Fear Small Shadow- Stoker, Strike Stinger-Sharp

[@TheTrycehyman]

I think that this is ultimately a better explanation for how Iroh entered the spirit world when he died. As the one member of the Fire Nation's royal family to recognize what the dragons really were rather than try to kill them, he was given a piece of that essence. The dragons understood that being god-touched would help him on the journey of all of the things Iroh needed to do, and that his success was absolutely necessary to restoring balance to the world.

[@kiwi_dont_fly381]

Holy crap your channels getting big, I remember it at 9k

[@atomosa7664]

In avatar tla, the fortuneteller episode, aunt woo (the fortuneteller) tells Katara that she will have her 3rd grandchild and die quietly but in lok, she has four?!

[@omarkhalifa5092]

Atomshapeshifter And you know that she was wrong about the clouds

[@ErazemofPredjama]

Bumi, Kya and Tenzin ... who exactly is the fourth?

[@LunaBari]

@@ErazemofPredjama Rohan

[@cthulhu9136]

I'm at 3:41 in the vid and he will probably mention it, firebenders need the sun to bend

[@nigahiga6773]

Amazing theory as always

[@cullenmartin60]

I think having the associated with stars makes more sense because then there can be multiple but it's just a minor detail but great theory

[@hanarielgodlike9283]

Omg this reference to shadvserity

[@teaandphysics3846]

I really like the thought because one thing never added up: There are three elements whose original masters are animals (fire, earth and air) and only one whose is a celestial object (the moon) eventhough that imbalance is already weird in itself the conversation between katara and zuko at the seige of the north made it even more weird. As the sun rises and zuko escapes katara he says “you rise with the moon and i with the sun“ (or something in that direction xD) but still. That would mean we have two same working elements (fire and water) but still one of them learned from the moon and the other from dragons? That just didn't make sense. But with your theory everything works out! Thanks i really enjoyed that video!

[@femiisme9679]

THIS IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!

[@jaguanana7573]

You never fail to surprise us, Tim. Iroh, I mean.

[@DakkogiRauru23]

11:12 “As you know, I conducted a raid on the Great Library, which most said didn’t even exist.”

[@galenrichter41]

so, does that mean that the badger moles and air bison are, maybe descendants of the spirits that took mortal form that are the spirits of earth and air? and that there are some ancient air bison and badger moles living in some remote place?

[@creativeburst2442]

In the Avatar Legends ttrpg (which has canon lore) actually does hint at dragons have a connection to the spirit world. Killing a dragon causes an imbalance with the spirit world drawing spirits to that location and cause strange occurrences around the area. The imbalance created even caught the attention of the water tribes who sensed it and even sent envoys to investigate the death sites.

[@lunawolfheart336]

Nice video

[@bom21h]

I can’t remember which comic it was but we see a spirit take on a human form for her love and when she dies he thinks he killed the spirit but we later find out from the spirit herself that she didn’t die but took on a new form. Idk how well that works in the the moon and ocean spirits but just a thought

[@garyr6156]

This is late but I see that the Lion Turtles gave humans bending but as shown with Wan they learned from the “original benders”. I could be wrong but it seems to make sense as to why Wan could firebend much better than the hunters since he practiced with the white dragon.

[@casseroledragon3277]

Another neat point is that the Dragon we see in Beginnings that's training Avatar Wan has no wings, whereas the Dragons in Avatar and in Korra's time do. Maybe they didn't need wings to fly as spiritual creatures, but as physical beings they needed the wings to defy the laws of physics and fly?

[@moon_kuu]

Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know where they are from! The Hidden World! You know, like the light fury!

[@isair1609]

Some other things I think are worth to consider are that much like the Lion Turtle taught Aang (and his spirit later taught Korra) energy bending, both didn't use energy bending to give the ability to bend energy, but also gave them the knowledge on how to do so, meaning that energy bending kinda is a way to transport information much like the dragons gave visions in the show. Another pretty new fact (from the Avatar Legends RPG Core Book) is that the dragon hunts in Sozin's time caused spiritual imbalance in the areas the dragons were killed (which in return led to Sozin creating some sort of spirit huner task force if I remember correctly).

[@thelandofnod2269]

But what about dragons?!!! Find Shadiversity quick

[@onieni9779]

I think what the creators mean by the four animals being the original benders, is that they the humans learn how to use their respective bending ability from those animal's habits and their related abilities. So the Lion Turtles gave the abilities to bend the elements, while the four original benders taught humans the original basics, understandings, and fundamentals of the marital art to use that kind of bending. Then all other styles came after and were based off the original martial art forms. (Long winded, yeah, but I love avatar)

[@prooziplayer3478]

Do a video about what if aang died withour the avatar state and then be brought back so there would be 2 avatars

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

On the importance of the Sun and culture, the Fire Nation takes most it's inspiration from Japan, which also holds a great importance to the Sun and holds the belief that the Japanese people are descendants of Ametarasu, Goddess of the Sun, and they're called "the Land of the Rising Sun".