Are Ebike Prices Going Up? How to avoid high prices.

[@Area13ebikes]

Already have an ebike? Let us know what you have and if it was worth it!

[@dadalonglegs]

Vtuvia SN100, $900 direct buy from the Manufacturer. North American retailers pice it up to $1499-1599 lol

[@kevinmccune682]

Needed a steel frame, so I got a "Peacedove"( sub $600) ( Hey Kyle this could be a "Lysander or Piper Cub) I love your presentation{no 'eees" or "uhhh"s}

[@caciliawhy5195]

Electra Townie Go 7 Love it! and a Loveless that is made in the Czech Republic that I bought in Europe.

[@LetArtsLive]

It is a pretty good bike the ecotric hammer. Getting parts and service is another story. The last year I ordered a battery and it took more than a month to receive it so I can go camping. I got the wrong battery and I went camping anyway because the battery was a quarter of an inch too high to fit in the hole so I've been moving the little rail up and down every time I change a battery. So the rail is getting worn. I want to put new brake pads it is tektro hydraulic brakes do you sell those? I will look. I want to buy two more batteries for the ecotric hammer and I don't believe you have them. So I knew this was going to happen everything in the stores and everything else is made in China and it's going up and how is that helping us with a tariff? And Biden isn't much better because he needs to do something about this issue and no I shouldn't talk about politics religion or other things.

[@LetArtsLive]

@@dadalonglegs and how long did it take to receive one?

[@Bronkoslav27]

Love your channel. So informative. Would love to pick your brain about launching a Ebike. Could I email you?

[@grizzlieschannel2324]

I like CitizenCycle but I trust BoltonBikes first

[@mtnbikejunkie]

Just put together a diy kit on my cruiser. Noticed Luna sold out of the motor soon after I purchased and the Amazonian’s sold out of the battery I got a few days later. Additionally, car manufacturers are experiencing a high demand for lithium. 🤯 thanks for the info and updates!!

[@rays3995]

I learned American companies cost more than china and most bikes are all china made i guess Americans makes there own battery's i guess u have a tesla battery well i have foreign lg Samsung or panasonic battery so your saying my bike is no good i cant afford a 5 ten thousand dollar bike just to much i rather stick to my Chinese panasonic bike

[@noneyabizz8337]

I kinda wish your bikes were more friendly to shorter riders. Short people like power too.

[@Area13ebikes]

New shorter friendly bikes in the works!

[@jimquinn799]

I bought my Swagtron EB 5 pro plus for around 450.00 off of Amazon last year and it's very much a simple nothing state of the art ebike. Looking on Amazon yesterday it was selling for 901.00. Shocked went to Swagtron web page and while less it was still 800.00 bucks.

[@chuck_howard]

Espin moved their production to Taiwan "free China" no tariffs. Maybe an idea for others to follow.

[@chuck_howard]

@@specialist-in-tech Well I wish the others luck in mainland China with the 25% tariffs. Taiwan it not the only player. Vietnam, India, Bangladesh, and many others make bikes and motorcycles. You don't change with the times you may lose big time. I am very happy with my Espin and the extra battery for it is coming in a week. Many other companies you look for a battery and they don't know if or when they can get one to you. Espin also responds to customer service the next day via email or phone. But if you don't like them then choose another brand. It's your money.

[@chuck_howard]

@@specialist-in-tech Well mister bike manufacturing expert. When you get your own ebike up and running send me a PM on here and I may consider buying it. Until then I will let the people who actually know and are doing it make those calls. Still loving my Espin Sport and putting lots of miles on it. Still loving it's made in free China. :) :) :)

[@chuck_howard]

@@specialist-in-tech Somehow every time since the 50s when the demand comes, in a few years the companies seem to ramp up to meet the demand. Sure, not in a week or a month but it eventually catches up. I hear my friends on other social media sights saying electric cars are doomed because there is no infrastructure to charge them, and there is not a lot now, only a few around me but I think if the demand is there the supply will catch up and the nay sayers will somehow not remember what they said in the past. With Ebikes I think like with ordinary bikes, we are hitting a peak demand and in two or three years it will drop sharply. Not to what it used to be, but a lot less than the present demand.

[@chuck_howard]

@@specialist-in-tech I can see that the Espin bike is a basic generic frame and motor with added on parts which I can get at a local bike shop. Another reason I bought it by the way. My first electric bike I built myself from parts. It was a 1980s Murray ten speed. I was quite surprised that it is roughly the same performance as my Espin Sport with some of this due to the fact it is a much lighter frame than the Sport. I may even take an aluminum frame cruiser and build it out to be electric as well. I have literally a box full of lithium cells to build my own battery packs so the next bike will only need the motor and controller. :)

[@chuck_howard]

@@specialist-in-tech That's what I was told by the experts about my Murray from 1985 that I am not only still riding but converted to electric. I love listening to the couch experts like you getting it wrong almost every time. Have a good one M man. :) :D

[@specialist-in-tech]

Bolton is close to being right on a lot of points, but its a lot more complex than he articulates on a number of levels. Ebike pricing has a lot more to do with what the 'market will bear', and you have ebikes literally priced at nearly every $100 increment from $600 (whackjob cheapos on Spamazon) to $15,000 (whackjob over priced stuff) from Specialized or Trek. Raw materials have been hoarded now for years by China, and the entire bike industry and now ebike industry has painted itself into a problematic corner, by dumping all manufacturing in buyer countries, and leaving it all in the hands of one country, and that is CHINA. So China has a total LOCK on the entire supply chain, which from a pricing standpoint, is the WORST possible scenario for any product being manufacturered. This is not limited to bikes or ebikes, and the US has handed over 30 years worth of manufacturing nearly everything, to China. The entire supply chain now being on the Asia continent, means there is no way in heck, that anyone is ever going to produce bikes or ebikes here in the US, or Canada, or Mexico to any material degree, because virtually every single part from the rubber tires to the spokes, to the rims, to the frames, to every other component is produced in China, Taiwan, and to a lesser extent places like Vietnam, or Indonesia. Labor costs having been going up every year in China since the year 2000. the vast majority of their factories are very old, very outdated, and very labor intensive. Not nearly enough real machinery or robotics, and that would be the way for other countries to 'catch' but the problem again is, no one firm can make every single different component, and so it makes no sense to even assemble in the US, as there is very little cost savings to do so. But more importantly, is now SUPPLY CHAIN RISKS, and China has now introduced to the entire planet, substantial risks. From Covid, to shipping logistics nightmares (goes way deeper than Suez debacle), China has set the world up for a ton of supply chain risks, not the least of which is getting the product from their country to other countries. The global sea ways are a mess, and china is responsible for much of that mess. The US military has always bolstered and prevented a lot of BS, but in the past decade China has tried to remove the US from many sea lanes, and that is to the detriment of us receiving goods in a safe and timely manner. So what happens ??? That drives up the costs of insuring these goods, and premiums have skyrocketed for insuring the ships, the containers, the personnel, and the actual goods on the ships. So prices just did not suddenly skyrocket in the past year due to covid, but it has been a latent, if not on-going build up of so many different cost inputs, that make it virtually impossible for most products to continuing to remain so low priced. China is also in deep financial debt, far worse than the US, and more than double our national debt of $28 trillion. Few people know that, except our government officials. The Yuan is rising against the dollar because of this, not just because the dollar by itself is weakening. CHina has artificially suppressed their currency for decades now, against the US dollar, so they could command producing a large chunk of the world's goods. But that has come at a VERY steep cost, which has led to them 'buying down' in effect their currency. Well that ain't going to happen much from here on out, and so we will see some very large price increases coming from their currency going up, and ours going down versus theirs. Just like Bolton mentioned. So expect from here, ebike prices to keep going up year after year, with the usual bozos cutting corners and trying to offer the 'lowest priced ebike' and of course not giving one iota about the lower quality product they are peddling to you the US naive consumer. and geez, stop listening to the Bozos over at the EBR forum commenting on this stuff. they are totally clueless. and will be a massive distraction for you in terms of making a sound decision on an ebike purchase.

[@Area13ebikes]

Long but valuable comment! There is a lot at play, but I think the main thing you've pointed out is worth talking about - we rely on China for ebikes and have no ability to make them here in the US. I DO think it's possible, but will take substantial investment in certain key components.

[@leejohnson9682]

Thanks for the info 👍

[@Area13ebikes]

No problem 👍 Thanks for watching!

[@lillianmacomber2879]

Remember your ABCs. Anyplace But China! Keep looking up! Ken.

[@jefftaylor5816]

As always great information. Thanks for keeping us up to date. Thanks Kyle

[@Area13ebikes]

Any time! Thanks for watching!

[@RickLaBanca]

I think the flaw on some people’s logic for these and other products is moving manufacturing is the fix. It doesn’t have to work that way. What happens is components Noam be shipped instead and assembled here. That gives a more granular choice of getting parts sourced here or other countries instead of one assembled unit from one source.

[@MrTjmk]

Boo Hoo. If you're going to raise prices just do it. Quit making excuses. IF every e-bike manufactures face the same problems then it will all boil down to the quality of your bikes at a price that beats out competitors.

[@Area13ebikes]

No one is making excuses - just putting out the facts.

[@blakeberlin6295]

But every ebike manufacturer IS increasing prices, and that comes with questions about why. Answering the "why" is not making excuses. Making excuses is what happens when there isn't a legitimate answer to the question. You come across as someone looking for an excuse to complain.

[@RichardKagle-lj2bs]

I saw Chinese video,ebikes on street sales bran new. Chinese price with USA price besides it,ebike 1000 watt 10-15 amp hr 100 mile range. Costs 120.00$ USA,they shipped over here becomes 3000- to 8000$ price gouging rippoff

[@hemaccabe4292]

It’s common that as demand for goods increases it can outstrip production and cause temporary price surges. The normal response in a capitalist society is for production to increase to satisfy that new demand. In this situation, where cost of doing business with China is greatly increased is that production should come home to the US. Perhaps someone like Bolton could start producing brakes with a local supplier?

[@dbfcrell8300]

You are leaving out greed. Many business owners who take out a 5% loan use it as an excuse to raise prices 10%. In fact, much like the petroleum industry, every conceivable thing, from things that only partially affect their supply line to things that have nothing to do with their business (but sound like they do) is used as a reason to raise prices. This is how industries find their model, which as you know differs from product to product. Just don't leave out greed, cause everyone wants to get rich.

[@kevinmccune682]

Greed is No.1, I have seen a lot of businesses start out with auturistic ideals downgrade to the need for maximum profits shortly.

[@blakeberlin6295]

@@kevinmccune682 No business was ever started out of altruism. Business can't work without a profit motive, and that isn't the same as greed.

[@jaysonsulser6099]

vtuvia sn100 1599$ and so far its been a great bike. handles utah mountains just fine.

[@kentoews1403]

I would love an ebike. The cost is ridiculous to begin with and now it's going up? I am an avid motorcyclist and cannot justify the cost of an ebike compared to a motorcycle. One can get much more value for their money by staying in the motorcycle market. From a cost and engineering perspective it would be folly to enter the ebike market at this time.

[@WEdway33]

This is good information. Can't we just build our own instead of relying on China ??

[@jimbo4203]

I bought a 21' Specialized turbo vado sl, put 1000 mi. So far and it's been fun with zero problems, and the specialized shop is just 20miles from me

[@robertwilson8789]

I think your whole 'profit margin' paradigm is poor . You don't need to make 100% profit on an item to succeed financially . Expand your shop and hire some competent workers and increase your output . That is true capitalism and entrepreneurial spirit . Yes it is more complicated . Welcome to the real world . I enjoy your videos .

[@andrewhunter5254]

I have a rad rhino the European version of the rad rover. My back tyre only lasts 6 months 15 hundred miles so I'd love for you to replace the rear tyre with a motor bike tyre. It's whether it will stay on going round corners.

[@Talonderiel]

Sounds like the demand and pricing structure is there for a US based manufacture to start making these pieces, components and raw materials too. Save money on the tariffs, exchange rates and shipping while adding jobs to the USA. I'd be willing to pay a 50% - 100% increase in prices for a US produced product.

[@Area13ebikes]

It's a daily discussion!

[@roymason8567]

Was thinking about getting a ebike.Now that I know that their 100% chinese made I will pass.Will keep my old pedal bike and get some exercise.By any chance do they use slave labor to produce bikes.

[@sanesaint8725]

By the e-bike conversion kit and put it on a regular bike they are way too expensive 😉

[@lisabergman3779]

My e-bike has only gone up 100.00 from a year ago. Aventon Sinch.

[@sharonaston3433]

Is the tricycle going up they were for a 1500 so have they went up any at all

[@suzannandelin1952]

I love your intro. music-sound effects-and you!

[@Area13ebikes]

Thanks so much!

[@paulking962]

If you can't even find one what does it even matter what they cost.

[@endymion8672]

I have an Eunorau FAT-HD (called FOXBAT in your shop) and, after 6 months/1000+ miles, I think it is well worth the price I paid for it. It gets me through long range backcountry adventures with ease and I love investing the time to keep it in top shape. In reference to the price discussion: I purchased the extra 48V battery that was offered as an option at that time, just to have peace of mind on long trips. The price for that battery is up 50% by now! Seems there are both, price increases and price JUMPS 😀

[@rays3995]

U have seen nothing yet i already have 20 thousand miles still running strong 48v

[@edwardrogner8707]

Hi, is your warehouse in grass valley open for customer business or is it just an assembly warehouse? If you are open for customers, what are your hours, I’ll be coming though your area next month.

[@Area13ebikes]

Monday-Friday

[@aknar0]

Do you have a e-bike for sale that competes with the Sondors Rockstar?

[@LarryRichelli]

I have noticed that he is very selective on which posts he answers. I am pretty sure they don't have anything like the Rockstar....just boring, old man bikes to me.

[@timmorris245]

Maybe we should make our E bikes in America.

[@chuckduncan9098]

Very well explained. Thank you.

[@sharonaston3433]

Sorry I got that wrong they were $2,000 thank you

[@specialist-in-tech]

What you will also see, which is way worse than price increases, is due the lack of supply the brand bike components (Shimano, Tektro, Suntour, KMC, kenda, Schwalbe, etc), and now 2 to 3 year back logs, will cause some very inferior component substitutions. China is RIPE with those very low tier low quality suppliers you never heard of. And even worse, is the massive counterfeiting of batteries, where the factories selling ebikes to firms like Rad Power, Himiway, Juiced, Ride1up, Bolton, etc will be selling what THEY BELIEVE are Samsung, are in reality grade C counterfeit batteries, with Samsung labels or LG labels slapped on very inferior cells. This has been increasing massively over the past 5 years in the ebike world, to now where we are at a point, that the shortages are forcing the chinese based factories who assemble these ebikes and are the ones buying these individual batteries (and other bike components), to simply turn a blind eye, and they will just nod their head, when Rad Power, Himiway, and the 90% of other on-line only sold brands ask "are these Samsung cells ??" Yes sir, will be the reply, yet there are zero guarantees. Everybody is selling these ebikes, and there is no consumer protections or inspections going on AT ALL, either in China and certainly not here in the US. The e-bikes are boxed in China, and the first time they are opened, is at your doorstep, when you as the consumer get the ebike, as more than 70% of ebikes are now being bought on-line, and NOT at local shops. So just like that bag of Dorito's has stayed the same price, the number of chips in it, has declined. Your ebike will be the same way, except now you will merely have shorter life components, and you wont know any better until your on-line bought, el cheapo ebike (usually priced below $2000 'Great DEAL' you thought you had) falls apart in only 3 to 5 seasons. The big firms like Trek, Yamaha, Giant, Specialized, ALL keep a super close handle on every aspect of buying in their supply chain, but I guarantee you that Rad Power, Ride1up, Himiway, Lectric, who's ebikes are all mostly below $2000, have ZERO watch or handle on any of this component quality, and they will just accept whatever the 3rd party factory they contract with, and don't own, simply sends them. They are all selling ebikes like crazy, and are literally getting fat, dumb, happy and rich off of unwitting US ebike consumers, and will continue to do so, and not give a rats behind about the quality of the product their customers receive as long as this massive sales surge in ebikes continues. These on line brands, were already at massive arms length in every factory contact dealing prior to Covid, and now don't even travel to China to do a once per year 'buying' visit that they used to do. there are over 300 ebike 'brands' (mostly just a logo slapped on imported ebikes that are clones with next to no real engineering, and just copying) and 90% of those are not real brands, and they really only middle men, shipping you mostly low quality stuff with a few 'nice brand' components sprinkled onto the bike frames with a battery and a motor attached. And its been amazing how utterly stupid US consumers have been who keep buying such garbage ebikes from the likes of Rad, or Himiway, or R1up, or Lectric, or Natko, or the hundreds of other also rans. Europe is 10 years (at least) ahead of the US, and they largely NEVER would buy this crap. Thats why so many quality ebike brands (that are indeed priced over $2k) over in the EU sell so well, and its not just bc the Europeans bike more, or use them for daily errands or commuting to work. Its because they KNOW garbage when they see it.

[@rubengillette5069]

been watching your vids for a while niow. im a canadian looking for a ebike but getting the run around cus im a big guy. im looking for a bike that can handle 400lb. im not going to do wheelies or jumps nor am i going to go do the GROUSE GRIND, just to go from a to d and back to a again. please help and ya im looking at prices and so far as i can see radbikes seem to be the ones i keep going back to, help me choose a bike please.....thanks from canada.

[@moofymoo]

IMHO e-bikes are becoming more of a status symbol, fad and cult than viable transport. Modped, very similar to ebike, some even have pedals, if that your thing, have been around for very long time, but I don't see that people (adults!) who own or want e-bike ever considered a moped. Some _adults_ get offended when I suggest getting a moped or small motocycle instead of e-bike. And for status symbol company can charge whatever the customer can pay. See Apple products.

[@doopy2283]

Its called INFLATION

[@HubbHubbs]

0:14 Dont solder there!

[@davidanderson6222]

Having built two gas powered bikes, because it’s cheaper to build, even from scratch. I decided to break down and go electric, and yes the prices scared the crap out of me, BUT. I ordered a mid drive system after weeks of you tube vids! I’m hoping the 500 watt (all I could afford to spend) will be fast enough 🙏🏽 my gas topped out at 38 mph. I hope battery prices go down!

[@colombianomd1]

Hmmm... how about large amount of stimmy checks / helicopter money driving inflation? The CPI index is not representative of real life after Federal Reserve changed the algorithm. Look at the M2 money supply that they publish. Compare and contrast the M2 supply 2006 and 2019 vs. Present day.

[@blakeberlin6295]

That's another future source of general price increases. We'll see if it turns out to be the 800 pound gorilla in the inflation room. I hope not but expect otherwise.

[@boblane5169]

I do believe that the wave of the future will be in kits to turn current bicycles into ebikes. It is really not that hard and we already have thousands of bikes already available in the US. imho

[@specialist-in-tech]

thats the wave of the PAST. kits were being used WAY BEFORE, you people even knew ebikes existed. Too many americans are too mechanically deficient to know how to use basic tools, let alone follow a youtube video on ebike converting. Kit purchases have actually peaked here in the US, while OEM ebike sales continue skyrocketing.

[@Area13ebikes]

I tend to agree. People want the end result - an ebike. They don't necessarily want the extra work to DIY.

[@mando2.049]

@@specialist-in-tech true lol

[@stanleythomas8457]

Lectric says they should see it in 7 to 14 days ... said that a month ago... its in san pedro somewhere on a boat

[@dietmarbartmann4767]

in germany is it in the corona year everbody want a ebike, sometime it's sell out by dealer's

[@rob379lqz]

Is that your hairy chest-hair sticking out the top of your t-shirt?

[@andymartinez1426]

Used bike has gone up too on OfferUp 😭😢😢

[@NelloCambelli]

One of the Deadly Sins is losing focus on the needs of the end consumer. Do not believe that your costs can be automatically recouped as you are deploying risk capital. Can you save $5,000 shipping costs by setting up sourcing of componentsinthe United States.

[@Area13ebikes]

Unfortunately the components don't exist in the US at this time.

[@richmccay-read6389]

I don’t agree with some of the negative comments posted here already however I’ll still pay the increase knowing the enjoyment that I get out of riding my ebike. Lol, hope with some of those increases you can provide a scan code to lead you to a bike manual.😎 Great video Kyle!!

[@gilly66369]

Thanks Donald Trump for raising the tariffs on China that we the consumer pay for,

[@whazzat8015]

Good thoughts. Heavy, unreliable, expensive toys with a narrow zone of utility, that are oversold. Now even more overpriced. Pedal one without power and you know what a mule feels like. Hard to store, hard to maintain, costly to service. Small zone where you wouldn't be just as well off with a regular bike. To some a skateboard is transportation , too. And the biggest selling point is no insurance? Isn't that asking someone else to assume your liability? If you are not riding a regular bike, small chance this dream will be a good one. Soooo DJT. Price will actually come down as they get dumped downstream

[@wendygerrish4964]

Yes toys.

[@leonstephens3558]

I really want your bronco all wheel ebike its going to support me and suit me and now the price ouch hope I'm able to obtain it in time o and thank for another video great content be good Bude

[@Area13ebikes]

We do offer financing at checkout as well. Just something to consider if needed.

[@craigapelbaum1629]

I can see it now. Many electric bikes will be as much as a car or a motorcycle. You watch. It will cost $30,000.00 for an electric bike. But that's just speculation.

[@noet5329]

Which is better? The Blackbird or the Foxbat?

[@Area13ebikes]

Personal preference, both good choices for different reasons.

[@noet5329]

@@Area13ebikes I ordered the Blackbird for this summer. I just didn't know about the 1000w Foxbat. For looks i like the Blackbird. For power the Foxbat.

[@blakeberlin6295]

@@noet5329 I have a Blackbird for Spring delivery. I think both look great, but that's not a big motivator for me. In most uses, I think a mid motor is better or equal to a hub .... advantage Foxbat. I have a strong desire for a torque sensor rather than cadence ... advantage Blackbird. Otherwise, I liked the overall setup on the Blackbird. I think either would work well for me.

[@noet5329]

@@blakeberlin6295 hey thanks allot. That helps me feel better on my decision 👍

[@garrettromer8499]

Just greed is all it comes down too.

[@blakeberlin6295]

Your listening skills appear to match your language abilities.

[@garrettromer8499]

@@blakeberlin6295 good one

[@oceanbreze1977]

How much of the price do middle men usually get?

[@rabfallon4507]

Priority put their e bike up by $800 2 month ago, and you get a cheaper Shimano gear shift

[@ronodell2896]

Trump-2024!

[@rays3995]

How about ebike 2024

[@crunkytrunks]

It's unfortunate that we rely so heavily on the Chinese market, but such is the American way right ?

[@MustyBastard]

sondors just jacked everything on his mew lines by $300 in the last few days