Are fighting games getting WORSE?

[@Reizor_]

Coney you should pick up your daughter in an "I paused my game to be here" shirt

[@Noir-_-Heart]

LMAO YES

[@nathanjessen3127]

This is indeed a fact and not an opinion

[@v175w]

So true Shigure Ui from the しぐれうい channel

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Why do you have 6 badass music playlists

[@upnno]

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[@NeoEiche]

re: hide your power level I once went on a quick groceries run in a Yoshi Valley shirt I bought from Yetee (banger shirt) and when I got to the self-checkout the guy working them noticed and asked "hey nice is that a Yoshi shirt?" to which of course I replied "yeah haha" He then proceeded to make everyone and myself uncomfortable by making Yoshi noises at me until someone asked him for help. I never want to wear that shirt in public again LMFAO

[@boot-4704]

Some people be weird, don’t let that stop you

[@SmiteKhepri]

*Mlemp*

[@NeoEiche]

@@boot-4704 it's more that I'd rather not engage with that level of mario fan again. I'm out in public getting my groceries bro, I just want in and out. Other shirts featuring Metroid or Souls art tend to just get a "hey nice shirt" which is a much nicer approach from a complete stranger. There are just different levels of "nerding out" and I was not ready for aomeone working their job to hit that level lol. It's a level I would hit hanging out with some friends, you feel me?

[@fan.of.nintendo]

Finds one weird guy, stops expressing something you enjoy. Odd choice, but you do you

[@alexdavis665]

The thing about Megan Thee Stallion liking anime is that, yes, she is public about liking it now that it’s cool, but she was the leader of her anime club when it really wasn’t cool.

[@spagetti9271]

she still isn’t and it still is really not cool

[@jak199527]

@@spagetti9271I love ignoring a very popular persons popularity because you don't like them.

[@lancelee338]

My friend showed me her twitter likes and it was full of naruto yaoi and I thought that was very funny

[@TheDeadTexan]

If anime is responsible for her terrible music then anime was a mistake.

[@alexdavis665]

@@TheDeadTexan what do you gain from being bitter? live and let live. people make music and shows you don’t like? simply don’t worry about it. there is so much joy in the world and you choose to be angry and spiteful about things that don’t matter

[@ShadeAnris]

Oh the mods point, I think 90% of people who play games with a lot of mods already love the vanilla game a ton. Like me I probably played 150 hours of risk of rain 2 before modding it to hell and even then I still prefer vanilla half the time. I could be wrong but I don’t think a lot of people mod games they don’t already like aside from basic playability fixes and such

[@chloeligma3883]

Yeah, like honestly mods are just silly and fun and even when it's a quality of life thing, sometimes it's literally as simple as making something that was unclear on the UI easier to understand so that I can focus more of my time and energy on the game that I am enjoying

[@Ttjbois]

I also agree here, I think Coney missed the mark of Mods being a way to continue enjoying a game you love. Because I only mod games I like, games that I don't like I don't bother trying to fix with mods.

[@skippy7552]

Look no further than randomizers popping off on damn near every game now. So much gray area missed by the tweet, awful take. Dota, Counter Strike, Day Z, so many more started as mods and now they're giants.

[@ujingamer]

True I think the tweet was directed at Bethesda games and games similar where people say the game is fantastic with 200+ mods but won't admit that the base game is shit

[@Ttjbois]

I do think games where people say you NEED mods to make the game fun the statement stands true. But it's a terrible take for mods as a whole.

[@edfreak9001]

i think coney is the only youtuber where I can generally enjoy the videos but every single thumbnail makes me think "man why am I still subscribed to this guy" i know that's just playing the algorithm but still

[@Color_Splsh]

He's playing the algorithm in the same way an E. Honda spammer is playing street fighter. He's trying to copy people who *do* know how to play the algorithm, but ultimately not understanding the reasoning for why they do the things that they do.

[@fl4re163]

Nah, Coney's thumbnails are based. I still think about that RIP BOZO Fox one daily.

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

quality streams, quality videos cut from them, *god awful* thumbnails, it's just the coney special

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

Tbh I've been ignoring Coney videos for the last couple of years because of the titles and thumbnails, but I finally clicked on one the other day and enjoyed it. I wish the titles and thumbnails gave a better idea of what to expect from the content and I would've started watching ages ago lol

[@gordo9836]

The mods one is an unreal opinion. People who play modded versions of the games they play I'm willing to bet a large amount of money have played the original multiple times and love the shit out of it. Playing with mods or a modded version is just a different way to play the same game they love.

[@Bone8380]

People who see others like me playing Fallout 3 and Skyrim with 120 mods each (not an exaggerated number) and say "why do you even bother playing those games if you clearly don't like the vanilla experience at all?" because they don't understand that I wouldn't go through the effort to install so many mods if I didn't enjoy the base game to begin with. Modding your games isn't taking a game you don't like and turning into one you do, its enjoying a game and being smart enough to recognize that just because you like it doesn't mean its perfect, and that mods could improve it, thus letting you like it even more than you already do. I think a lot of people with the "why bother with mods" mindset are people who don't really understand what modding actually is or can be, they think its all just replacing parts of the game with different, brand new parts, when it could just be pure additions that don't replace anything at all. They don't understand the full breadth of what a mod can be.

[@nicks9733]

modded version of a game should just be treated as a bonus game that came with the vanilla version for free. enjoying the modded game while hating the vanilla game is completely valid. its like saying you shouldnt enjoy sandwiches if you dont like plain bread. like, yea of course i dont like plain bread, its pretty different from my sandwich with 18 different things inside it

[@CassiusStelar]

​@@Bone8380sometimes some people do play games with mods because they're bad experiences in base game and we're long since past the point we can get a refund for them. I.E. me with sonic Forces. Fuck Forces, hare Forces, but I do love Overclocked and Improvement.

[@friizing]

Im pretty sure his argument was how some people use too many quality of life mods making many aspects of the game easier. Not how some mods add whole new levels of content (this is coming from someone who loves using mods to add new stuff to games like Terraria)

[@AzureTD_]

​@friizing that's a fair point but also if people add quality of life mods to a game they find to hard or time consuming they still would need to play the original and have a certain love for the game to not just move on to the next one. Some people aren't as hardcore or have as much time and want to play the game, but at a more enjoyable pace for themselves

[@Robospy1]

That whole "power level" thing is mostly just common sense. If you wouldn't want to explain what you're wearing to someone, don't wear it. If you don't give a fuck, wear it.

[@acehasgreed]

I would like everyone to know I was swarmed in VC after this

[@boot-4704]

You were based and the world (Coney chatters) weren’t ready for it

[@friizing]

You are not based and I hope the buzzing of coney's chat swarmed you like the hive of odd bees they are

[@ohno5507]

Personally, I've worked at many jobs, and I've never had anyone have a negative reaction to that I play video games. Many coworkers are either gamers, weebs, or older people who just acknowledge that they don't get it. I think because many adults grew up on video games, and many older people had kids who played video games, there's a lot more acceptance of it being a normal hobby. I think people who don't play games aren't aware of how degenerate some gamers are, so they probably don't make that association.

[@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly]

Coney: "Most movie sequels are better than the original" good god some people live in a different world. 75% of all reviews for Empire Strikes Back, Terminator two and Shrek two start off with "usually the sequel is the worst film....but here"

[@daweaselgeek1430]

And those three franchises hit low after low after low with most of their future sequels. I'm a pretty casual gamer at this point in my life so these silly opinions usually just make me chuckle, but that one made me want to eat a pillow.

[@MagicMonkey96]

Planet of the apes as well

[@justtesting2]

coney you should add a third category to fact or opinion: WEAK ASS STATEMENT. A lot of tweets qualify their statements by saying "in some cases" or "sometimes" so that theyre trivially correct, but end up saying nothing at all.

[@dismasthepenitent569]

I mean... The world kind of works in a way where it's hard to make correct categorical statements about most things Also I don't think a statement has to be strong or bold to be valuable

[@bombyman84]

or just don't include those ones anymore

[@admiralalyssa]

I think the best way to show off your gaming fandom is with deep-cut references. One guy I knew had a tattoo of the chain link on his wrist. Only Bioshock fans would recognize the tattoo, and he's met other Bioshock fans from it. Another guy would have custom tees made of companies from video game worlds. So instead of wearing a Vault Boy basic bitch tee, it would be a general atomics tee. People don't spot you as a nerd unless they know the universe you are referencing.

[@jasonkunstmann327]

The mods opinion is technically correct; if you require mods to finish a game, that game is probably not good and/or for you. ...But literally nobody boots up Hollow Knight for the first time and says, "Y'know what would make this game really great? If you randomized every item and enemy, made the final boss impossible, made my character neon green and gave him an AK47." The only thing that tweet told me was that that person has never modded a game before

[@algumnomeaihehe]

the correct take is that if you have a strong opinion about how other people enjoy videogames, you don't have real problems in your life and are looking for bullshit to care about on the internet.

[@CreamFraiche]

If you hate jeans you're just buying shit jeans. Pure denim is uncomfortable cuz it feels like cardboard but you can get jeans with some lycra that are stretchy and very flexible

[@yosha101]

The discussion around the "power level" tweet just reminded me of the horror that it was when I accidentally let slip that I watch anime to a friend's friend and he's like "One piece and Jujutsu Kaisen????" and I knew I fucked up IMMEDIATELY It's, like, an immediate realization, I knew we were so far apart on the spectrum of what kind of anime we liked that we had nothing in common, the conversation quickly died when I brought up what my actual favorite anime was, and we've never spoken to each other since (which I'm certainly grateful for lmao)

[@kyallon1213]

Yeah but it’s also really funny to be on the other end of that. A lot of my friend in college assumed I was a huge anime nerd because i read manga in class, but then they asked me about what I watch and I was like “yeah haven’t watched AOT, started demon slayer and got bored after 5 minutes” and they were hella shocked.

[@bwill1268]

What do you watch? I like this because I’m always interested in what other people enjoy. It gives a cool perspective and I might get a new show

[@yosha101]

@@bwill1268 I'll be honest, I watch a mix of old classics and Seasonal trash just for that rush of sometimes finding a nugget of gold amongst it Just off the top of my head I guess I can say, like, GTO which is definitely one of my all time favorites, Kochikame is a big nostalgia favorite (even if it hasn't aged well), Noucome might be the funniest AND cringiest anime ever (more of a guilty pleasure I guess), Dangers of My Heart is a big fav romcom drama sort of thing, Mairimashita! Iruma-kun has some great vibes, pretty much anything Lupin the Third, Dorohedoro is amazingly bizarre and getting a second season finally, Sakamoto Desu ga for being primo comedy and I genuinely could go on! Edit: And by the way, the anime I ended up telling my friend's friend was Mob Psycho since it IS a big favorite of mine, but it's also just barely on the cusp of being super well known so I did it as a test, and they didn't know it so it kinda immediately murdered all the vibes lmao

[@spagetti9271]

that guy is so much cooler than you

[@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly]

Ok yall are being weird, you can just say nah I do not really watch those. Or just say thats all you watch.

[@aurora3542]

Please, editor, the background music is too loud, the volume is so close to Coney's voice that it becomes annoying, especially since it's such upbeat music, it's constantly popping in, _please_

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

I get that review content can be just as lazy as react, but the point about parroting opinions is kinda frivolous to me. That's just how internet discourse is unfortunately.

[@chronosanaki5174]

Being able to see cool tech being used at a higher level is pretty cool, sure the mysticism of is gone with how fast information travels now but cool tech will always be seen as cool. All in all, social media didn't ruin how fighting games are played, it only sped up the process of how information is spread.

[@Bone8380]

That post also says that part of why the internet "ruined" fighting games is that now people default to the most optimal strategies and combos possible which is dumb because it fails to understand that people are going to do that regardless of whether what they're doing is *actually* the most optimal or merely thought to be so. We know now that Blanka isn't actually all that good in SF2 but back in the day everyone in your local arcade could have rated him as a top tier because nobody figured out yet how to deal with his gimmicks and weirdo bullshit, so Blanka was meta due to lack of information. Nothing changed.

[@3eve0n]

@@Bone8380 TLDR: "meta" doesn't have to be universal, it can apply to only a certain place and/or time.

[@Pleia_Ds]

“I’d only wear jeans for a formal occasion” is the most Coney thing I’ve ever heard

[@xmgaming2444]

On the topic of mods, I think a lot of people who install mods either 1) already like the game or 2) almost like the game, but want to tweak a few things to make it more fun for them. Saying "is this even the same game just because I slightly altered some mechanic" is like saying "is this still the same salad if I add one additional ingredient to the recipe" Like, if you almost enjoy the salad but only need to tweak one thing to have it be your favorite meal, you probably still like the core salad, just not as much. And hey, does it really matter if you call it a new kind of salad? It's like 95% the same stuff. Meanwhile, bug fixes/fps patches are basically like if you bought a pre-packaged salad from a 7-11 or something, but when you get home you realize their ranch packet has gone bad, so you go to the fridge and get your own ranch. Still the same ingredients, but arguably even closer to the intended experience, because obviously the people who made the salad wanted you to have unexpired ranch.

[@blujay1294]

I'm still mad as hell jeans get "the worst and most uncomfortable" WHEN FUCKING CORDUROY EXISTS. That shit is a rugburn speedrun, for the glory of looking like you're trying to cosplay a scarecrow nvm I don't care about your opinion I saw the mod section, this whole movie is a clown court.

[@Disisdabeast]

Coney fucking with Tribe called Quest makes up for every single bad take he's ever had in his streaming career.

[@S.O.SStudio]

Bro I looked at the blooming onion not knowing what that is and now I just want some. That looks good.

[@moresnqp]

11:20 as someone who listens to a lot of music, like as a hobby, this is absolutely true. it definitely varies based on the person, but all of these VGM listeners acting like they couldnt find one country or rap or eurodance song they genuinely enjoy are crazy. i listened to this album, Soundtrack for the Revolution, and its the first y2k metal/nu-metal album ive liked, because it involves electronic, punk, and industrial elements which i already enjoy

[@mz-power9587]

Another thing is like I am not the type of person to casually listen to metal. But I do like the doom soundtrack. I'm not really going to choose to listen to metal cause it doesn't fit my vibe most of the time. But I don't necessarily despise everything in the genre

[@TheRetroLord]

Coney dissing Yakuza music? Mods, spin him around really fast.

[@blissbu]

Coney literally owns an Aesop Rock shirt. I was assuming he was a hip hop guy until right now

[@lancelee338]

I had a moment last week because I was talking to my friend about Magic the Gathering in public and a nurse asked me about it. I explained it, told her it was nerd stuff, and she asked me if I considered myself a nerd. I said yeah, and she was surprised. She said “well, it’s good to be open with yourself about it” which is probably the most patronizing thing ever said to me. I forgot being a nerd is generally considered a bad thing

[@kpxtreame]

6:05 Nintendo doing fair and cheap backwards compatibility on the wii/wiiu, seeing how much money they could make not doing that, then immediately changing it to subscription based for really old games or full price remakes/remasters for newer ones was honestly one of the craziest hustles I ever saw, and i kinda hate them for it. (they sold Prime Trilogy wii for $28 on the wii u eshop for a bit, thats insane to imagine today)

[@AKAProm]

that's honestly why I'm so mixed on remasters/re-releases. Like, back during the age of the Wii and PS3 we could still play our old games. Now we have to beg a company to let us buy it again. Like don't get me wrong, it opens the possibility to improve the game, sure, but as we've seen especially with something like Mario 3D All Stars, not every company views it that way. Sometimes they make the game worse. New Soup U Deluxe makes it to where you can't play as Blue and Yellow toad at the same time. So if you're playing 4-players, someone has to pick one of the easier characters. It's bonkers.

[@orangejuice3235]

Like 90% of the biggest modding communities come from sandboxy type games, where the devs leave a majority of the tools in the hands of the players to craft their own experience. The devs of those games put a very big emphasis on what their community wants out of a game, rather than the game's artistic vision by itself. They can coexist. It's a way more nuanced discussion than a lot of people like to paint it as.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

yeah that tweet and coney's input on that front were way too simple

[@Bone8380]

Coney's main argument against mods is that they go against the intended experience, but it fails to consider games like XCOM 2, Civilization, Minecraft, or any other game like those that straight up has a built-in mod manager, where being able to mod it as much as you want and tweak every bit of the game to your liking IS part of the intended experience. If it wasn't, these games wouldn't have mod support.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@Bone8380 yeah and even then the tweet was specifically calling out qol mods which are the most desirable especially for older titles that have clunky aspects but are great otherwise

[@CapnNapalm]

Weighing in on the music genre bit, I think it's 100% correct. I was one of those "I don't get these rippity rappers" type dudes until I finally heard some I liked. Then I suddenly got it and liked a lot of stuff I didn't originally. It happened with folk music too. Still working on metal, but I'm getting there

[@Xanek]

9:03 Sequels are never "always" better. Example being Mass Effect 3, so many people were upset with the ending of the game and how basically all the choices you've practically done in all the past games kinda just lead up to just jack squat. 7:34 BAM being so lost, came out of nowhere to talk about something that had no relevancy lol

[@ShadowMewto]

“Never always” hurts my soul

[@Reizor_]

3 is not 2 :)

[@UCDitto]

Shrek the Third Compared to Shrek 2

[@gizoid5526]

Coney did say 3 is worse than 2

[@thraxus6661]

Funny that you said ME3 because I was thinking ME1 to ME2. I wouldn't say ME2 is better, just that it's about the same as ME1. 2 had better gameplay but 1 had a way better and more cohesive story I think

[@thomasdavis1340]

I think if you value games as art and don’t want to mod them then buying remakes of a game also goes against that principle. Most remakes are just dev modded versions of original games and I think those aren’t worth buying. I want to respect the original intent the devs put behind any mechanic or even mistake and critique it with all things in tact. Modding stuff in or out removes authorial intent.

[@thongus_]

I LOVE MODS RAHHH. It's like getting to play tiny little indie-games set in my favorite IPs. I have like a 255 mod long new vegas mod list, but not because i hate vanilla, but because the mods are SO FUCKING GOOD. Also I find the idea of "just find another game lol" to be stupid because how the FUCK am I supposed to find a game made by someone else that fits perfectly into what I want out of a game? ALSO also, making mods is very fun, its like testing tiny gameplay concepts in a safe space. Anyways good vid coney you got me to be angry in the comments.

[@aaronjayadriano8363]

Coney outros are by far my favorite of any KZbinr that cut streams to vods. Something about the way it fades to black while he keeps talking just works so well

[@2ndsable]

Coney saying that movie sequel are consistently better is maybe the most braindead thing I have ever heard him say

[@aqua4089]

“I don’t like making games more enjoyable to me” is a bizarre take

[@shanetracy4318]

about the tweet about mods: as coney acknowledged with PM, sometimes playing a game modded creates a game so fundamentally different from the original that it may as well be a different game that can be judged on its own. While I understand Coney's point about mods tampering with the artistic intent of the original video game, I think that some mods/modpacks have an artistic vision all to their own. (right now I'm playing the Stoneblock modpack for Minecraft 1.18.2)

[@LooseCo]

The power level one is very real. I work in a warehouse. Bringing up that I play video games always results in me just getting annoyed at the other person. I've met one other person that had similar game tastes as me, but most of the people that play games in a warehouse play things like Warzone, or Rocket League or a sports game. None of these people have heard of a Celeste or an Ori and the Blind Forest. Most of these people have only passively heard of WoW and certainly have never heard of FF14. If I told someone at work the most recent game I played was Animal Well, they'd look at me like I was an insane person. Answering "what games do you play" always results in the other person never having heard of the game so i just don't want to bring it up at all.

[@bestjoyshorts]

Coney is my favorite youtuber and its not even close

[@jc66594]

paidchatter

[@bestjoyshorts]

@@jc66594 I wish

[@irisstarsterio8960]

Disagree on the Quality of Life mods thing. If you're playing a game and just want to add a sprint button or add a bit more inventory space or whatever, it's not going to affect the combat, story or any other things you like about a game. I can like a Burger but just cuz I want to add cheese or remove pickles, it doesn't mean I don't like burgers I'm just trying to make it a bit more digestible for me.

[@markusa5293]

I don't necessarily disagree, but the more apt analogy would be "Do you actually like that particular burger or have you, through the changes you made, created another burger entirely? Is the burger as it is on the menu actually a good burger?"

[@Lysvsyl]

@@markusa5293 But why does it matter if I like the original burger? It is not what I'm eating. The argument "YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY WITH MODS" is insane.

[@skippy7552]

​@@markusa5293 Sometimes the modified burger is so good you start a whole new restraunt, Counterstrike and Dota. Sometimes the restraunt brings back a burger to their menu but forgets the pickles, no game rerelease is without quirks. The original burger is great if people want to study every ingredient. I say let the people cook, it doesn't harm the chef.

[@markusa5293]

​@@LysvsylWho's making that argument?

[@markusa5293]

@@skippy7552 I'm not disallowing anything. I'm not saying mods or using them is bad. STALKER is among my top 5 favourite game series and mods add a lot to those games. It's more of a Ship of Theseus question. Is a game good if you had to change it in order for it to be enjoyable?

[@S.O.SStudio]

22:09 I agree to an extent. If you play modded games, you might like the game but not to a full extent. I play Elden Ring Convergence mod and that mod is more fun than Elden Ring itself, but I like the bosses and difficulty of Elden Ring. It's a fact truly as I never modded Monster Hunter my favorite game but modding the game means there's something in the game you just don't like to the point you have to change it.

[@reagansido5823]

If you are willing to go out of your way to mod a game, you enjoy it. Even if it's to fix it or make it better, that just further shows how much you like it. You like it so much that you're taking the time and effort to make it better. Just look at Starfield. Game was so boring that no one wanted to make mods for it. nobody's making mods to fix or improve the game because they don't like it.

[@DuncTV]

People who try to do cost/hour analysis for video games have no joy or whimsy in their heart. There's nothing wrong with a video game being short as long as it's good. Also I don't WANT every video game to be a 20 hour time sink. Sometimes I'm tryna knock out a game in an afternoon.

[@3eve0n]

there's also nothing wrong with a game being longer. Why I ultimately agree with the statement, "the argument that games needs to be shorter is dumb". I feel like people completely superimposed a "long game good, short game bad" argument that didn't exist onto that comment.

[@johndinner4418]

You don't really mention any counter to the argument here. No one said there can't be short games, just that short games should not be 60-70 bucks.

[@Mex1canJThunder]

PLEASE HELP! Does anybody remember in the react wars with the rapper that was super evil I can't remember what it was called

[@castform7]

17:22 First of all, love the save there for anyone about to make a horrible decision. Secondly, for me, I'm just afraid of starting a conversation I don't wanna have or being mocked for it. An example of why this is comes from middle school where I was listening to a Kirby final boss medley I found online. Not interacting with anyone, headphones on. Someone was walking around where I was and made this huge deal about it. Laughed at me, told others for them to laugh at me. I know I know. "That was middle school" but like a lot of insecurities it sticks with you. I'm lucky to have friends who take interest in me talking about what I like but I still find myself holding back and being nervous in some circumstances. I'd much rather bounce off of someone rattling off everything they like about something than me do that, at least initially. I'll probably only say I play video games and not much else until I get to know the person and would rather talk about something else.

[@armorparade]

1:00 its also important to note that even though info on what's strong spreads faster, counterplay to stuff that actually isn't strong spreads fast too. remember getting rolled by that one cousin who had a setup that looked messed up but actually wasn't that good once you knew the counterplay? it's harder to jump on netplay and just meme on people with fake stuff these days because the lab goblins have it all on the wiki for you.

[@MrMariosonicman]

I always find modded games as a way to try out a new experiance for an old game you enjoy. Super mario 64 is a very fun game that everyone will still love to play, but then you have people modding the game to replace mario with luigi, or bowsette, or sonic the hedgehog. sometimes its just a skin, othertimes they have custom moves, and other modders make their own levels and stories for the game to play, Its no longer JUST super mario 64, its super mario 64 with an expansion pack. and I'll still love the base mario 64 game dispite those mods.

[@diddydank7447]

coney was so spitting with my submission LOL

[@ninjamage5215]

For the sequels argument, the two titles that came to mind for me were Sly 2 and Assassin’s Creed II

[@LuigiFan1akaStar]

If Coney also enjoys playing normal vanilla Brawl as well, I can't see how he would be hypocritical then.

[@idavid8391]

10:00 He is absolutely spitting in regards to movie, but video games go both ways all the time, so the "almost ALWAYS" doomed that chatter. 11:15 ABSOLUTELY NOT. There are some things that some people have hard-baked to hate, inherently. You can learn to tolerate/withstand it, but that doesn't change that it naturally grates against you.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

You like the Second Mask movie?

[@MaxTheBoii]

no clue what you and coney are on here, 99% of movie sequels are worse than the original. That's why people always have to point out the rare exceptions, T2/Aliens/Empire/ToyStory2

[@SmiteKhepri]

​@MaxTheBoii don't forget Shrek 2 lol

[@DrChillyBones]

Coney has never played the PC release of Dark Souls 1 and it shows

[@Breeze926]

About the power level thing that Coney commonly talks about it{s more about gauging the conversation (a really hard thing to do admittedly). I won't talk about Splatoon to the guy that only plays FIFA or cinematic PlayStation games. Maybe I'll be surface level with someone that likes shooters, and depending on their interest talk more about it or talk about something else. And obviously the Nintendo crowd will be more familiar with it and I may even ask for favorite weapons and stages and such.

[@pmrobin8]

The modded game thing is so real! I think like Pokémon is the craziest thing for this. So many people don’t engage with the actual systems of Pokémon games because they hack in max rare candies to hit the level cap and use emulator speed up effectively turning the game into a boss rush sim rather than an actual rpg with a world to explore.

[@VinceOfAllTrades]

In regards to Nintendo Re-masters/makes/releases, I prefer low-modified bundles over these glowed up full retail singles. If I could get all the 2D Zeldas in 1 package I'd gladly pay full retail for it. Or the first 3 Paper Mario's. Or all of the Metroid Primes. Give me quantity over quality so I actually get more content.

[@Michael.CrazedAlaska]

I think the one about talking about, “if you’re a gamer” really comes down to; 1. What age demographic are you in 2. Are you an extrovert or introvert Because onG I’ll never tell anyone anything personal until I know we going to talk again, but if we do talk personal, and about games, I’ll mention what I play or am playing and such

[@kylespevak6781]

0:52 this has been my issue with competitive games for a while now. There has always been a meta but in the past it wasn't as certain and there was more differentiation even among playing the same characters. These days I see people playing the best character with the most flowchart style right off the bat

[@Bone8380]

Nah, I feel you haven't actually experienced the older games pre-internet if you think that people weren't as certain as to what the meta was back then. Just because the assumed meta would later go on to be proven wrong doesn't mean it wasn't meta at one point in time. Blanka is still top tier if you don't know how to deal with his gimmicks and knowledge checks, Ken taking his place because of other factors doesn't actually change anything.

[@kylespevak6781]

@@Bone8380 I've been playing games since '94 😂 There was certainly a shift once we got access to infinite information and it became mainstream with social media

[@Bone8380]

@@kylespevak6781 I don't believe you.

[@kylespevak6781]

@@Bone8380 🤷 Dunno what to tell you. I'm almost 30, grew up with a Gameboy (not color) and PlayStation, remember Y2K and 9/11, the internet came home as dial up, saw the rise of social media with Myspace, the death of Michael Jackson

[@chopman5152]

@@kylespevak6781 You've been playing fighting games since 94 and you're almost 30?? Brother the math is not mathing

[@antimonyparanoia]

ok but "liking the game" and "liking the modded game" are different things, I dont really like vanilla minecraft but i love modded minecraft, mods sort of become their own thing that is different than the actual game. TBH it sort of is the same as the music question, why wouldnt you just keep looking until you find the thing you like? if i dont like the vanilla experience why wouldnt i fuck up the game i spent money on until i like it?

[@vervese6583]

Even though it's probably not possible for every remastered game (either because of programming, style or engine) i would like to be able to decide if i want to play a game on the new or old graphics (for example halo 2 anniversary or diablo 2 resurrected) cause imo it's a nice gesture to the original creators preserving their old version and for some that grew up with it and want to feel nostalgic

[@ajoconnor64]

1:28 I wonder if Coney knows that this is the PVE mode

[@Captain_Bobvious]

I personally feel like we're in another golden age of fighting games

[@WallaWaller]

My counterpoint to mods is this: to me, modding a game is a statement saying "I liked the base game quite a lot, but I've had my fill and want to change things up a bit." This has been the case with most of the games I've modded. The only game I can think of that bucks this trend is Ninja Gaiden 2 sigma. I mod it to be more like the original version because I don't like the changes made to sigma, and I only play sigma because the original is unavailable.

[@WellToastedBagel]

14:03 anyone know what song this is?

[@doorbox788]

properly crafted and taken woven denim can be incredibly comfortable and soft, its just that you won't get that from a pair of levis. Youre probably gonna have to spend at least 3 figures on something like japanese denim.

[@sangera]

I started playing Minecraft again, and I quickly downloaded the FallingTree mod because I don't have that much time in the day to grind that hard. It hasn't hindered my experience in the slightest and I am having way more fun not having to cut down trees for 20 hours a week.

[@Qiom1]

The thing about "hiding your level" can be applied to a bunch of stuff. I'm really into abstract movies but if someone says they like movies but only really watch action movies, I'm not gonna recommend a bunch of A24 movies to them

[@PneumaAsh]

22:22 I am the exact same way. I refuse to touch a game's modding scene because I want to experience the game in its purest form, as the devs intended. I especially refuse to touch QoL mods for a stronger version of the same reason Once I started replaying some games multiple times a year, however, I came to see the value in content mods. I love playing Lethal Company with friends, and I don't find games repetitive easily, but sessions start feeling boring when you play for multiple hours a day, 4-7 days a week, for a month. I still want to play the game, my friends still want to play the game, but it's hard to find the motivation to after a while. So we turn to the mods, spice things up, keep the game fresh

[@ngcf4238]

I'm right with you Coney when it comes to not modding games. In any of my Fallout games I play I don't use mods outside of the compatibility fixes for New Vegas and Three because they were designed for Windows Vista and XP.

[@ALloydRH]

Yeah the modded one is definitely an opinion. Sometimes games with fun/unique ideas just get forgotten by the original devs, and it's up to the fans to create their own pseudo-remaster. There's also something weirdly fun about browsing sites like game banana to customise your own experience, or just seeing what new stupid outfits people have put your favourite characters in, almost like playable fanart.

[@trickytristan1]

See with the hiding your power level thing, I definitely do it depending on who I'm talking to. Like a while back I went to a smash major and like the people who are around my age at my workplace I was able to tell about that because they'd think its cool and wouldn't question it, but because its video game related I was more vague about it to my older coworkers cause I did not want to have the conversation about "oh I drove a long distance and payed a lot of money to play a video game. No i didn't win" y'know. It helps that I have another hobby that I can talk about that for them is easier to parse so they can just assume it relates to that and has nothing to do with video games.

[@fruitspunchsamuraig4546]

17:30 i think its interesting and a generation gap for sure, something to consider is that video game and anime apparel before like 2014 was incredibly bad and impossible to wear, mfers were roaming the world with fat Mario logos or Attack on Titan insignias on their chest. Hiding your powerlevel wasnt a "you need to be ashamed NOW" thing but kind of a small game, seeing what small references people could get away with, which was still cheesy back then but it was for fun mostly. Its way different now that even nerd fashion has evolved to want to look nice over being a billboard and things like japan streetwear came into style, but in a sense thats still "hiding your power level", what Megan the Stallion does is still a lil obscured from being just an anime cosplay, even if its incredibly obvious to people who know. Theres also not wanting to talk to other fans if you can help it too lmao but that might be resentment part of the opinion.

[@Numbnuts007]

Okay the thing about a gamer Roger Ebert, we already have that his name is video game dunky.

[@Naito9874]

20:16 Yeah lmaoo the first time he talked about the power level thing, I saw it on a vid 2 or 3 years ago iirc

[@BillytheEntertainer]

11:23 I agree with Coney's take, but I still think this is OPINION. For example, I do not country music, but I like some songs (like Johnny Cash for example). However, if someone put on Country Music Radio, I would probably dislike most of the songs that play, so I feel confident in saying "I don't like country music".

[@puffmain3276]

I don't think the fact that you're using mods in a game makes the enjoyment you're having any less legitimate. I never would've played Persona 3 if I couldn't control my party members. It may go against the original design, but I'm not letting one stupid decision stop me from enjoying an otherwise fantastic game

[@chefdunsparce4254]

I think one thing about mods is that mods can increase the level of content drastically through mods, making the game just have more to do, so you can *keep* playing it If you *need* mods to play a game though, I kind of understand that, at that point the game might not be amazing, but when I think mods, I think ways to freshen up a game I've sunk hundreds of hours into already

[@joshuajohnston4825]

I am the president of my college’s Gamer Guild. I don’t hide my “power level” at all. Most people on campus know I am a huge media historian for games, movies, and comics. The people who don’t want to talk to me don’t have to, but every Friday when guild starts I make a new friend for life.

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

I hard disagree on the power level thing. It's a real life filter for people. Honestly, the more out there your interests are, the more you should display it, so you can only find interactions with people that either don't mind or share your interest. Like, if you love anime, and theres a stranger that thinks thats awful, do you really wanna be involved with them anyway? Putting it off until later into knowing someone won't make it better. Of course, this assumes you want to socialize to some degree. If you just wanna buy groceries and go home and not talk to anyone than yeah, maybe just wear a blank t-shirt or something.

[@726Ian]

Anyone know the song playing at 15:32

[@evilded2]

I didn't click on this video for 5 days because of the thumbnail but I realized it was a Coney video.

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Oh my God that denim guy was spitting also the guy talking about grown ups 2 in 16:09 deserves a true

[@galgramax6713]

On the topic of game mods, it's kind of subjective. For some people, playing a game is fun and if they want to modify it, that's thier prerogative. I've always been the kind of person who mods occasionally, but it's typically after I've beaten a game and want more out of it (roguelikes especially, Risk of Rain 2, Slay the Spire, and TBoI were games that I think mods enhanced the experience of long after I 100%'d them). On the flip side, the core aspect of games *is* important, and you can absolutely go too far. However, the point stands that if you don't like the game from the get-go, then mods aren't going to solve the core issue of that.

[@Mobeku]

My input: people who say jeans are uncomfortable haven’t tried the “stretch” jeans many stores offer now. Feels like spft pants on the inside but is stretchy and looks like jeans on the outside. Also jeans are very fashionable and versatile. Onions rings ate overrated, all of the onion comes out after one bite and you’re stuck with batter. But blooming onions are better. Mods on games are ok after you beat the game normally at least once

[@Crystanis]

My thing about mods is I need to be able to play it without mods after using mods and enjoy it to consider it worth continuing to mod. If I can play the base game after using mods and have a good time then I still enjoy the game I’m just sprinkling some spice on it sometimes.

[@wario1226]

I think it's interesting to combine the opinions of re-releases/remasters being good for accessibility and modding being unnecessary. When I was a kid, I'd emulate n64 and GBA games in a heartbeat, and mod my wii to have smash and mario kart characters galore. But now I'm an adult, and I simply wait for emulated games to be re-released officially, and I don't have the patience to mod a Switch. I assume coney and I are in the same boat. With age comes the desire for that stuff to be done for me. I'll take what I can get. I don't have time for all that.

[@thatcomona]

To pull my OPINION out of the pig trough for a moment since I wasn't at the stream to expand on it: The point I was making was not that the commentators and creators are the progenitors of the in-person and brotherly-love vibes of the FGC, but that they uphold and carry that direction in their presentation & style. I think that if it was all polished, professional, and buttoned-up, that unique culture wouldn't carry on at ALL as widely as it does now, especially with so many fighting games playable online without ever having to leave home and go to locals. tl'dr the 'nobody aint shit, we're all just guys hanging out' blanket of the FGC would be in danger of slipping away if the comms/creators didn't carry that banner into their engagement Good movie btw

[@Snack1118]

Coney was spitting with Johnny cash. I hate modern country but love Johnny

[@StarChargerStudios]

on the modded games bit, it really depends on what the mod actually does. if it's a mod that has to fix core issues with a game or patch out something that you didn't like about the original, then i feel like it's a fact, but something like brawl PM or terraria calamity are a different story, because at that point you could have someone that hates brawl but loves PM because it changes/adds so much that it's basically a different game. I played modded terraria with a friend once, under the pretense that we would be playing with the calamity mod, and they added in like 20 "quality of life" mods that do nothing but change the game to make it "better". they included: -adding extra accessory slots (this ruins the game's balance, but my friend argues that wings are basically a requirement and shouldn't take up an accessory slot) -a new storage system that allows you to put everything in one big, searchable, infinitely expanding chest, so we don't have to organize our chests. -instant builders for things like boss arenas or housing because my friend doesn't like building. -extra npcs to purchase potions from so we don't have to do alchemy -infinite consumables as long as you have 30+ of them -lower respawn times and respawning with full health and mana (makes bosses way easier) -faster mining speed ("mining is boring") -a literal "cheat sheet" (allows spawning items, npcs, instant killing things, invincibility, the works) he uses this for things like increasing spawn rates while grinding, setting the time when he doesn't want to wait (both of these have in game solutions that you just have to put in a little work for) spawning items he deems "too grindy", instant killing annoying enemies he doesn't feel like dealing with, and much more. like dude if you hate the game just say that

[@orbitalcannon3534]

12:18 smooth cut there to make him say a tribe called quest and not aesop rock or el p

[@METAS0MA]

I have received the legendary Coney like for my submissions on these threads but never lucked my way through the rng selection

[@benmcgiggles7655]

I actually really enjoy listening to a plot synopsis of a game or show I havent experienced in a while, but people should be more accurate and not label it as a review unless they legitimately critique.

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

The first one reminds me of that video Coney reacted to where the guy couldn't keep a point

[@nyon7209]

22:10 As far as modded games are concerned, I think if you need mods to enjoy a game, then you don't enjoy the game. Ones that improve performance, especially if you have a low end computer, are perfectly valid to "need" though. But this is also not to say that you can't enjoy modding games, especially when the mods provide a unique experience. Games like Kaizo Mario, and Project Melee are distinct enough from the game being modded that they stand on their own, and it's perfectly valid to enjoy Rivals of Aether workshop. But Liking them and liking the base games are 2 different things, and these are mods that have significant effects on gameplay.

[@ominousvonte]

The music is mixed too loud in this video

[@GardenGD]

I agree with the modded games take; but for me, it's more about the fact that I have no respect for Bethesda releasing a game that needs a cocktail of mods just to work smoothly And that's not to say I am against playing modded games. I play modded The Binding of Isaac, but by the point the mod workshop was implemented, I had already played the vanilla version for 1k hours

[@Cosplaybuddygiraffes]

Coney from an outside POV ABSOLUTELY looks like a Bob Dylan guy, so true chatter

[@makogp747]

weird case i can think of for mods lets say sonic adventure dx on steam. Its a pc port of an xbox port of a pc port of a gamecube game, which is a remaster of a dreamcast game each with their own bugs that add up to the pc port being bad that everyone thinks sonic falls through the floor. Is it the developers intention to make the pc port bad? did they want me to play a bad port? ofc i can play the fixed gamecube one anytime without bugs that the pc port doesnt have. bottom line is i think it depends because there are bad ports (sly cooper and sonic only come to mind here sorry) that really do need bugfix mods to make it like the intended original experience the devs wanted you to have

[@Lowqualitysoundtrack]

I whore a jack frost hoodie to school everyday last year I got like 2 comments abt it and 1 was a guy in the hallway I never saw again (idk if he was even a smt or persona guy) and the other person was a pretty mean English sub, like I thought I was in trouble when she said "nice hoodie, is that a jack frost on the back". the first ever day I wear a one piece shirt I got 2 comments one from a "popular kid" who likes one piece (we havent spoken since) then and another guy who we started talking after we found out that that was all of our similar interests So I really don't think it matters if you hide your power level as long as the shirt goes hard and isnt a mario png from target

[@Garaylo]

17:22 gave me a neuron activation moment. Some odd years ago my sister got into anime and my mom being the sweet soul she is trie dto get her a sweatshirt and somehow managed to buy an ahegao hoodie. I don't know how or why thats what she bought but when it came in the mail and she opened it up she was very surprised.

[@WarrenValion]

People who play with mods have almost entirely put in an insane amount of time into that game, unless it's like bug fixes. Dishonored is my favorite game of all time, but I play with NG+ mods because I don't want to have to recollect all the runes for the 400th time. I want to get to the part about the game that I love the most. It's like if you cut off the fat on a steak, just because you don't like eating steak fat doesn't mean that you don't love steak. A game is more than the sum of its parts.

[@SmiteKhepri]

Not at all related to the discussion but I love it when I'm eating with people that don't like the fat cause they cut it off and give it to me🤤