Are Fingertip Grip Mice Stupid? (shocking)

[@boardzy]

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[@WhiteNeve]

will you review the redmagic mouse wireless?

[@Omabatfartsbruh]

do a week with the 131 grip style

[@UpgradeLemonade]

That was some LinusTechTips level sponsored transition 👌

[@Omabatfartsbruh]

no

[@yarly3180]

Where's the a** hair remover? Vertical smile to all reading this ^_^

[@BeckettA-h1b]

@@yarly3180you read my mind bro 😮

[@aeisbaer8042]

Most important question: Can that manscape razor remove the hair out of my Artisan Zero?

[@heatnup]

Yes but it will also remove your artisan zero

[@aeisbaer8042]

@@heatnup :(

[@Spurrrg]

Pure fingertip mice are such a new concept to hit the market. Almost all professionals are used to Claw/Palm or Fingertip on default sized mice from decades of experience, so it makes sense why almost nobody feels comfortable enough to go pure fingertip at least on LAN. The new generation of professionals will definitely have more people go 100% pure fingertip.

[@JohnSmith-sk7cg]

I weirdly enough grew up playing Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 on the original iMacs with their puck mouse intended for fingertip grip. So gaming mice have always been too big and heavy for my tastes with the sensor not sitting where I want it. I really hope this market grows as I'd love to see more evolution here.

[@Dragoloov]

@@JohnSmith-sk7cg same

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

I like those small mice, simply for their purpose. It forces the user to actually use finger tip grip. I use palm grip myself. I think in the mouse space, companies need to start making more specific options for attended use. Instead of these ambidextrous ambiguous mice.

[@dddripz]

Like the deathadder v3?

[@kaeroseon]

I feel like aside from fingertip grip, all other grips are semi ambiguous which is why dedicated shapes has only been made for fingertip. There are the xm1 style mice or g100s/g305 style mice that are designed for claw and g502, g403, deathadder or any oversized ergo shape that are designed for palm grip but because the grip now depends on the user and not how much space is available on the mouse, leading to the ambiguity.

[@DeadMemeMan]

2:20 "e date tap shooter" very good description of valorant

[@MeowTow]

Aggressive fingertipping on the HSK Pro is goated. Anyone who aggressive claw grips could easily transition to it.

[@Hyena_Utopia]

Agreed. This guy just doesn't understand the appeal of fingertip mice. The key advantage of a fingertip mouse is its ability to be gripped aggressively from the front, with your index and middle fingers resting on the tips of the mouse's main buttons (M1 and M2), while your thumb, ring finger, and pinky support the back. This kind of grip isn't possible with the GPX Superlight. With the GPX Superlight, if you place your fingers at the front, the rear hump ends up pressing into your palm because the mouse is too long, forcing you into an awkward claw grip. However, this person is using a fingertip grip (with index and middle fingers on top of the mouse, not in front) like on. GPX for no reason, and therefore finds it too small. He's only utilizing about 60% of the mouse's shape and yet complaining about its size.

[@Log_Pile]

I love my HSK Pro, 21.5 x 10.5cm hands here. Interesting to hear your thoughts, I agree, you can FTIP many larger mice, and the HTX Ace is my currentnmain, with the HSK and Xlite V2 mini in my main 3 rotation.

[@Lord_Marquaad]

how is the ergo shape of the xlite mini feels?

[@Log_Pile]

@Lord Marquaad (Giga) excellent honestly, I don't want to self promote on Boardzys video, but i talk about it in the "7 FTIP Endgame shapes reviewed" video on my channel, since that video I have applied the supergrips to it and its really fun to use

[@tl4581]

What i dont understand with the HSK Pro why didnt they use japanese omrons or even something lighter? Those switches are too heavy for pure fingertip especially that scroll-wheel click is horrible. Wish I could try the M2K.

[@BreadTeleporterAndii]

my friend has a HSK pro and he plays a lot of aimlabs, apparently it helps him significantly with consistency and his hands are 19 x 9.5cm, he has slim hands and i just find that my hands straight up dwarf these types of mice, i cant get a single grip that isn't squeezing my hand in a way i don't like, on note though, I have absurdly large hands, 26 x 14.(something)cm (maybe 0.2 or 0.4 not sure) that's all, they seemed built very well but extremely niche.

[@Log_Pile]

@@BreadTeleporterAndii you have the biggest hands I've come across in the mouse hobby! What nouse do you use?

[@nightmare1443]

The thing that most people don't understand is that fingertip grip that most people I have seen and me use is not how you are holding at 5:08 but more towards the back of the mouse so you have more space between your palm and the back of the mouse. Its very tiring to levitate the palm for the duration of the game I only do it when I track targets what are out of range of my wrist motion. Most common way to hold is clawing it and leaving space at the back.

[@johnulver]

Yes

[@Spoidah]

Not trying to gatekeep fingertip grip, as I guess some people like to hold onto the mouse with their fingertips but not actually aim with their fingers, BUT, just because you can hold the DA V3 with your fingertips, it doesn't mean fingertip grip suits a lot of mice. It's quite the opposite, most mice aren't suited to fingertip grip. With 21 x 13cm hands I can grip plenty of mice and cling onto them with only my fingertips touching, but it's not ideal, that's not a grip most fingertip grippers will use, you have no ability to make large aim adjustments with your fingers holding mice in such a way. Fingertip grippers generally treat every mouse they hold like it's an M2K or HSK. We don't hold mice in a way that allows it to bump into our palms, it lets us use our fingertips for aiming. This means we're forced to hold mice from further back than they are intended to be held from, usually without proper comfort grooves, or in areas where the mouse flares outwards, and we're forced to click the mouse buttons from higher up than normal.

[@Plexez]

Couldn’t have said this better myself.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

This. Thank you.

[@Seas0nedChef]

I had this just happen to me on the Maya 4k. So much so that I am willing to sacrifice forcing a grip to being comfortable and use my Keris Ii Ace

[@lukeburden]

If optimum tech makes a version of his fingertip mouse for sale, will you review it?

[@notTerabyte]

I could model a fingertip mouse in Fusion 360 in under an hour and upload it for free, but I have zero reason to because other people have done that before me

[@sda8jsdj9k121]

@@notTerabyte bUt bRo coNTent Creat0R maKing mouse shells 😂

[@Ar1osssa]

​@@notTerabyteCould you show some models others have done?

[@yosoy1loco]

Oldschool Quaker, here. I think what most people proclaim as a "standart-figertip"-grip, is a hybrid. When you palm or the "roots of your fingers" on the palm, somewhat touch the mouse while pulling it back, it is a hybrid. Fingerip-grip for me is pure fingertip-grip, only using your fingers. I also do not use my pinky on the side, just the ringfinger. So I'm not saying that one grip is better than the other, but that we have to distinguish carefully. For me those small mice like those from Zaunkoenig or G-wolves HSK are optimal.

[@srenhyer3895]

I love my HSK Pro for both work and gaming. I did however have to change my bindings from thumb buttons to scroll up/down as the thumb buttons forced me to readjust my grip. Since I did that however, I can't go back to my old Razer Viper V2 Pro - it's too heavy and I can't have the same level of mousecontrol as I do with the HSK Pro. I use the HSK Pro for aimtrainers, quake and diabotical and it really helped improve my movement, hitscan and tracking after a month of getting used to it. I think if you want to fingertip grip, then you need a mouse that forces you to hold it consistently like that. I don't think a standard mouse can compete with that - at least that is my personal experience. Can recommend the HSK Pro highly if you play with a relatively high sens (mine is 25/360) as you can quickly and precisely move your mouse with just the fingertips. If you use a slower sensitivity it probably doesn't make sense.

[@Impecable..]

I’ve been using the HSK pro 4K for fortnite and the side buttons are honestly super easy to get used too IMO. (19x11cm) I also use 1-3-1 grip on it

[@escapenguin]

I aim really well with the M2K, and I don't have any stability issues. But it does get a little crampy after a few hours. And like you said, I do just as well with my MZ1 and almost as well with my XE. The time you put in with your gear is the real key.

[@wazeFPS]

I always finger tip, and around a year ago got the hsk+ ace which I love but using it every day its starting to get a little old so I was looking for other options, the huge issue is the price, I understand that its a very niche product but 180$ for the HSK pro 4K and still 130 for the non 4K is ridiculous, the M2K we dont even start talking about. also the side buttons do suck if they even have them, I would be okay sacrificing a couple grams just to have some slightly bigger side buttons.

[@VoltaReviews]

SHOCKING! ❤‍🔥 I'm a big fan of fingertip on the HSK Pro 4K along with other mice like the Xtrfy MZ1 but nice to hear your thoughts from a different perspective. I've 18x9 size hands for reference so I do for sure see your point about the side buttons. My thumb barely sits comfortably on the side button on the HSK Pro 4K so I can understand how bigger hands might have an issue. SL12 is also an honourable mention for me

[@ricekk6670]

I think I feel the same as you tbh about solely finger tip only mice. I've always used a finger tip grip style cuz that always came naturally(I didnt realize people used other grips than finger tip until like 4 years ago)and I've tried the zaunkeonig and the other gwolves mini mice and they just dont feel right. I feel like ud need to play more on them than any normal sized mouse to truly master it.

[@yosoy1loco]

Then you probably do not only use your fingertips, the same as RJN or Boardzy. You are either pressing the back of the mouse into the hand when pulling back or touch the roots of your fingers on the top of your mouse or the pinky on the sides. It is totally okay to do that, it is just preference. I just realized that the community make those hybrid fingertip grips the "standart", which just fucks up the nomenclature.

[@fnjj]

I know you keep saying there is not a lot of movement on the market atm and I agree with you to some extend, but there is definitly interesting things for you to check out (specifically chinese mice). So many good affordable 3395 mice (zaopin z1, VGN dragonfly, ...) are hitting the market and there is not a lot of coverage from big creators

[@q_qv]

I enjoyed a sponsored section of a youtube video (shocking)

[@oandgw]

"The G Pro Superlight of razors" I can't be the only one who saw the pun

[@doo0mstar]

hyped up about carbon fiber finalmouse...i need that shit

[@t7274]

I don't use fingertip grip but since I have small hands, it's pretty much impossible to properly fingertip grip any mice except the ones made for the grip.

[@nvmb6451]

I play pure fingertip grip and the only part of my hand touching the mouse is my fingertips so maybe I'll buy myself an m2k or maybe if they make one with side buttons later on I'll buy that

[@zatozatoichi7920]

I wouldn't count on side buttons on a Zaunkoenig mouse, if I were you. It just goes against their basic design philosophy they are sharing on their website at length. Otherwise they are the highest tier products money can buy for fingertip users, but if you have to have side buttons, just get some kind of an HSK.

[@JCC87]

Received my HSK Pro yesterday and after one game of Valorant it's my main FPS mouse. I wouldn't use it for general internet browsing or certain types of games but I love it.

[@Met845]

How was it? Im playing valorant too…

[@mt.sefuri3909]

I'd never think boardzy would have a sponsorship from Manscaped. I mean, I guess that shocking? My guy doing us a favor though.

[@rab3072]

I have large, above average sized hands and honestly have no issues with gripping the HSK Pro comfortably, so I wouldn't be put off if you have larger hands - all about how you grip. It's also undoubtedly my best performing mouse, to the point it is pretty meh to go back to anything else at this point. I highly rate and I have pretty much every top mouse out on the market. No issues with side buttons either. Different strokes for different folks. Won't be for everyone, definitely need to be a true fingertip user.

[@asuraswrathrt]

A claw grip mouse round up video does sound nice

[@januthcs4286]

the sponsor was top notch. ur amazing

[@naikjoy]

I just noticed.. when I'm clicking a lot I'm not resting my whole hand on the mouse.. maybe its a bit small.. I'd need a bigger one probably.

[@potato_trianon6984]

1:21 Hair trimmer-*Mousepad Safe* 😂

[@Defiancy]

Review the Ajazz AJ199. It’s $35 bucks, has a 3395, shaped like a smaller GPX, weighs 60 grams, has Huano transparent blue shell pink dot switches. It’s such a good value.

[@budgetking2591]

i have it and it has a lot pre travel on the clicks, and its 64g, not 60.

[@UT4Clips]

I think the HSK pro is endgame for most of us fingertip grippers out there, but it's definitely not for everyone.

[@jc.u]

great video. i play palm so MK2 won’t be suited for me. what do you think is endgame for palm grip? i wanna just get one mouse and be done with it

[@tevinslawson]

I know you said you’d never make another video about this mouse but with the market being so dry rn you could share your thoughts on the new updated delux m800? Still under 50 with a 3395 and huano switches!

[@shamoo4233]

New Focus “Ambition” mousepad review coming soon or what

[@tl4581]

I pure fingertip naturally so the HSK Pro felt great immediately. But the switches are too heavy they should have used something lighter, the scroll wheel click is horrendous.

[@prestonspringer1317]

Yo Boardzy are you planning on reviewing the Gamesense Radar 2023 soon?

[@rnjy.9277]

E-date tac shooter 😂

[@luckyboi4427]

(valorant)

[@diwin8967]

did you look into the M4 4k, its pretty cool i kinda like it ngl. its smaller than the hsk but its like better feeling i guess. personal preference ofcorce u should review it its like 70 bucks pretty cheap if u ask me.

[@D0WnL0DeR]

Do you enjoy the new Artisan mousepad?

[@pryex8565]

This is so funny because I just bought an Hsk pro lol

[@Plexez]

Thoughts so far?

[@atraix1047]

thank you for this review.

[@harmeetsingh8759]

Boardzy suggest fingertip grip mouse for big or medium hands

[@viperchrisz4]

Any plans to review the Zaopin Z1 Pro?

[@Dangervlr]

im using the mm712 on fingertip and its good, i used an fk tipe pmm mod and a fantech xd3 wich is a S2 shape , and the mm712 feels really good with the grips on fingertip

[@bowrey118]

As a claw gripper I'd love to give these a shot but fuck me if I could never justify spending several hundred on something just to try. After years on the MM710 the 712 was so well priced for what it is. Everything else feels like a joke.

[@bliss-7895]

i had a hsk wireless but it broke so i got a hsk pro, i love it so much bro but you diffidently just have to be the right kind of person for it

[@antiscotti]

The side buttons on the hsk are usable and comfortable at least for me.

[@ConcreteKingzOG]

I got dav3 and use fingertip before that i had the intellimouse 1.1 with fingertip and now a use a viper ultimate cause i enjoy the chargingdock that came with it and i preform better with the ambishape dav3 is an ok mouse but they should change back to the old lighter clicks on the original 1800dpi deathadder and fix the scrollwheel that has the jumpbug from the 90’s

[@agnostic2111]

Xtrfy MZ1 wireless still best fingertip mouse for someone with small (!) hands. I can't fingertip even on Logitech X Superlight. I would like to see companies realising different sizes of same product, like bicycles are produce - S, M, XL etc. becouse of our different hight.

[@daviddave8761]

Can u say anything about the new ULMB 2 update for your AQN monitor?

[@xerocies4210]

boardzy sponsor a w frfr

[@hyakkimaru1057]

Can you do a video about palm grip mice, really good video btw keep it up

[@ZAIBYR]

I'm interested in the HSK, but it just looks uncomfortable. Also was not expecting the Manscaped promo. And for those who are wondering, YES, that stuff is pretty good. Just don't cut your junk.

[@waldokitty3533]

Do any fps pros use fingertip mice?

[@boardzy]

I don’t know a single one. Maybe a few apex players tho

[@loolgam1ng229]

Was checking MaxGaming just now and 2 interesting mice just showed up there. the first LOGA Shinryu Pro Wireless it got switch how swap. And the shape is like pulsar x2/endgame ish. And the second mouse LOGA Garuda Pro+ Wireless got hot swap battery. And a G Pro ish shape. And they are both arround like 90 bucks or so

[@hamishmatthews21]

Could you do a video on your fortnite config?

[@bbyroger87]

That drop tho....😂

[@kafkalul]

Just a reference for people I use the hsk in ow playing dps (tracer/genji) with melee and voice bound the the side buttons (ie pressing both constantly) and have no issues with them. I have 20x10 hands and the hsk has been one of the only mice that hasnt cramped my pinky with my natural grip and lets me pull the mouse in towards my palm with my fingers without it hitting my hand stopping midway

[@trat1227]

I would love to have one but the prices are stupid expensive for a mouse.

[@Vexcenot]

huh tigers are bigger than lions?

[@johnshepard4468]

i agree with you as usual but have you seen Optimum techs custy 20g bare pcb mouse? try to get him to ship it to you for review :)

[@skyltdockan]

What about 1-3-1 finger grip?

[@kalcaps]

honestly g-wolves needs other sized hsk pro's imo to be more reachable to the masses

[@vakyxz]

no way my guy is hopping on the edater cs

[@DenzCasuela]

my hand is 9.5cm x 17cm maybe that hsk pro would be perfect for me

[@Mandydeth]

Outside of people going exclusively for Kovaak's/Aimlab scores, I think they're overrated. There's a lot of bold claims coming from different peripheral companies, yet we're still seeing most of the e-sports stars on GPXs.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

Because it's technologically sound, easily replaceable, has a safe, neutral shape (which is not necessarily a good thing btw; it wants to appeal to all hand sizes and grips, a jack of all trades, but master of none. Precisely because of this, there's a high chance you can find something better suited for YOU, as choosing an input device is a very-very highly subjective issue, almost completely a preference thing, if the hardware itself is at least fairly decent), and maybe they used the GPW before, so the switch to the GPX was the next evolutional step. Also don't forget that there's money on the line, so the pros tend to somewhat/completely avoid exploring new concepts, because there's no reason to fuck up the consistency you have, for the slight chance that a new mouse MIGHT have positive connotations on your comfort or your game. You don't have to agree with this mentality, but the train of thought is understandable from a monetary standpoint, and it's especially true for CS, where there's almost like dogma around it, hence why you see so much A and B series Zowies instead of the C or CW series (or for the EC guys, the Xlite). As and Bs are inferior in every possible sense, but the pros sticking with those clearly inferior options, because they engraved them in their playstyle during the years and years, and became so accustomed to them, that getting a new one almost seem like paying to have a handicap (at least on the short term, which also won't fly if it means you can miss out on thousands of dollars by not givig your A++ game during the transition). Not to mention that Logitech is heavily involved in eSports, and I'm sure the pros who use their gear don't have to pay a dime for them, or if they are sponsored and actually like the product, they can stack up. Do you think those Logitech mousepads are that good? They are pretty meh for their price, and the problem is not even the underside rubber or the surface itself, but the durability. Now that's dogshit for sure (and their mice are notorious for their cheap switches and shitty PTFE, the GPX included). The question is: does this really matter to you, if you have literally a dozen of them laying around at home, so you can open up a new one in the same minute you start to notice the degradation of your current one? I think we can agree on that it probably doesn't. Same with the Zowie G-SR for example; it's not cheap, it's a slow, really controlled pad, that is affected by humidity. Everything is cool and rainbows, if you are into that. Until it lasts, which is not a long time, and then it becomes an absolute mud pad. If pros would truly use the best of the best, you would see a LOT of Artisan or other polyurethane-based high-end cloth/hybrid pads (or glass pads, for that matter) out there competing. Or Zaunkoenig mice / different iteration of the G-Wolves HSK, if we are talking about pure fingertip players. But you don't, at least not in the mainstream or in a meaningful way. tl;dr: It's rather the GPX which is overrated. And the gears of pros in general, because many people spending their time with these lists are not just curious, but want "advice"/affirmation for their next/last purchase or delusional in the sense, that if XY could dominate with a certain model, they will too, while forgetting the basic truth, that getting peripherals is individualism condensed into objects. Meaning if something works like a total charm for you and even your grandchildren will hear about it someday, it might be Hell on Earth to somebody else - and vica versa. Also, people can get used to almost everything, and not just to good, but bad stuff as well, and finding the right choice for yourself is more complicated than many would think, so are the reasons behind the choices of pros.

[@kenhistory9396]

I DIY viper mini made it into finger tip mouse by cutting the backside XD

[@aiժeո]

bro made a shorts video says "mousepads are useless" and still uses a mousepad 💀

[@ambasing69]

almost all his shorts are sarcastic

[@armorgiraffe]

I think fingertip grip and mice works better for people with quite small hands, like me

[@nul__]

"e-date tac shooter" 💀

[@Quixidion]

Next video show me the underside of your palm. Wth is that red bruise? From using your mouse that much?

[@Exyile]

the url of this video is unfortunate i just noticed

[@elijah-jajah]

Boardzy get the gwolves skoll mini and the other delux varients

[@blur228]

I love how a company that makes shaving stuff is sponsoring a guy that probably has more kids watching him more than men lmao.

[@daemonkisure2952]

Is fingertip better than claw grip?

[@zatozatoichi7920]

It's preference.

[@lastriver]

I used to fingertip g502

[@mickykhoury85]

Who's here for the ball shaver?

[@Blippi21]

ftip mice are heaven for wrist aimers

[@xiki1506]

Artrosis y tunel carpiano? 🤔

[@zay6612]

Test Nyfter mousepad Sakura Edition

[@whoeverthisguyis]

if im buying a fingertip mouse it gotta have at least 2 side buttons like cmon noones using fingertip grip for casual reasons

[@ACE112ACE112]

dropping products just like Linus

[@VrashabhSontakke]

yeah you are a controller enjoyer

[@Hk7762Tube]

Lol, Manscaped and gaming mice? What a time boyz.

[@user-wo8uh3sr1f]

The answer is yes!

[@coza10]

Little people are gamers too

[@yeysbaws]

You should start exposing Gwolves after sales support. It's really getting out of hand.

[@on_a_thursday_afternoon]

pulsfire haste 2 wired review?

[@CodeVenomSnakes]

He should review it.

[@WalterBlacc]

Literally budget model O

[@IMMEMORIAL1NIGHT]

i disagree.

[@WheeledHamster]

$600 for half a mouse?

[@zatozatoichi7920]

That's scalpel price, the original was 300 EUR. Which is steep, but understandable, if you actually care to look up what exactly it is, what's inside and why, and who does it with what manufacturing process and production numbers. It's an actual engineering work of art by two german guys, assembled with hands and rigorously tested before shipping. And it's not 'half' a mouse. It's a complete pack of win for fingertippers.

[@fireemblemaddict128]

Answer: Yes

[@saptarshimohanty459]

"edate tac shooter" 😂

[@athiz27]

new HTR 8K seems better for ur hands

[@boardzy]

Praying it is

[@sxnthwave]

orochi v2 best fingertip mouse

[@Jeffreyhitthat]

i love my HSK pro

[@voyage7697]

Fingertip mouses are pretty good

[@mikekonkola1231]

I think the mz1 is best fingertip mouse. You can fingertip but you can also use the higher back for some palm contact

[@Masoch1st]

which is it lmao. you either fingertip or you dont bro. its not better than the hsk for fingertip, that is a fact.

[@mikekonkola1231]

@@Masoch1st dude u can finger tip and pull it in for claw for steady shots, usually one taps.Your grip doesn't have to be the same the entire time. Anyone that uses hsk is not very good

[@Masoch1st]

@@mikekonkola1231 lol i'll dumpster you on the hsk, and you are completely contradicting yourself. you said the mz1 is the BEST FINGERTIP MOUSE, yet you describe its ability to claw. That doesn't make sense. If you want to say "its the best mouse to do both," then sure - why not (i would also disagree with that too, but at least that's personal preference). But it is not a better fingertip mouse than a fingertip mouse lmao. That's just a obnoxiously silly argument. the hsk weighs just 26g, and is perfect for fine micro adjustments with the finger. there is no planet in which a full sized mouse is better for this. The M2k is also better for fingertip.

[@mikekonkola1231]

@@Masoch1st lol you play destiny lmao and I hope u play on controller cuz your aim is god awful.

[@nayanpitlam5621]

Claw grip gang on top🗿🤙