Are Islamic Divorce Rules Unfair to Women? | Dr. Shabir Ally

[@NormaKhan]

His story about divorce is exactly the same one as my sister's. She was constantly threatened divorce. Her ex husband and his parents would beat her WHILE she was pregnant. After FINALLY getting divorced, she's restarting her career as a dentist and has all the love and support of my parents, alhamdulilah. Sometimes people don't see they're in abusive relationships till they're out of it

[@meekhinglim4829]

if relationship turned sour,why should one endure it and tolerate it. Walking away is the only choice. Human being shouldn't be humiliated nor does animals

[@ShajahanE4]

If a woman fears indifference or neglect from her husband, there is no blame on either of them if they seek ˹fair˺ settlement, which is best. Humans are ever inclined to selfishness.1 But if you are gracious and mindful ˹of Allah˺, surely Allah is All-Aware of what you do.

[@ovaiszohan3766]

No imam nullifies any marriage if women asks them to do..... Coz most of the imams are mysogynistic... And they ask women to tolerate and have patience

[@alyzak.8997]

Very true. It is nearly impossible for women to divorce men through Imams.

[@iamnobodywhoami8416]

I KNOW! they try to hide ways women can divorce and say ‘be a better wife’. There is a story. A woman was being mistreated by her husband. And the prophecy pbuh told her to return the dowry and the marriage is nullified

[@razamughal4582]

@@iamnobodywhoami8416 thats wrong. the PROPHET DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ANNUL ANYONES MARRIAGE EXCEPT HIS OWN. end of. what he DID was advise the man, and left the man to make a decision.

[@Think_pls]

This is insanity, People don't even see it Totally unfair Yet Islam is considered perfect

[@raimoh5856]

How is it insanity? Please explain your reasoning behind the label. Thank you

[@paulbrown609]

@@raimoh5856why so much control over another human being?

[@onesimosaenz2286]

First time I see shabir without his little head covering

[@spontaneoushope9892]

Were you satisfied with the answer?

[@xtreme6018]

@@spontaneoushope9892 yes

[@lighttheoryllc4337]

Our Hats are Called Kufi

[@lighttheoryllc4337]

And you need a hair cut, to cut off those womanly hair bangs brother

[@mohammadsalahradi2293]

Touching these sensitive issues is good but I recommend taking it one by one and elaborating more details and provide more proofs, otherwise it will be a cause of confusing people like me rather than clarifying it.

[@strongwoman5129]

I just read a hadiths (Bukhari, Book of Divorce, hadith 5273-5277) where this woman jamilla was like to the prophet " My husband is very good in character and he is very religious but i just dont like living with him and she was granted divorce lol by the prophet himself who was in charge of affairs ! all she had to do was return the land that was given to her which is fair because she literlly divorved her husband for no real reason! If a woman who got to divorce her husband because she just didnt like him anymore then why are sharia courts today preventing women from divorce ???????????????????????????????

[@kidiiiblilotral2394]

Ikr!!

[@marshalllee624]

Lol. As if you know all the human stories in the world. Do you even have a child? What would you think what will your children feel if you'll just divorce your husband? Divorce still happens til this day. Nobody preventing it. But you need to know that children are the one suffering.

[@Bigbustarhymes]

Who are these courts u are talking about?

[@the_star_that_naps]

@@marshalllee624 The husband can divorce his wife whenever he wants so why can't we apply that logic there then?

[@the_star_that_naps]

@Mo Money with that pfp i'm sure you're going there too

[@wanfarahwanzainuddin467]

Thank you for talking about this. The main problem is that muslim women in current society are no longer being protected by the law described in the Koran. If the purpose of the thrice-divorced law is indeed to protect the woman, then shouldn't it be adaptable to the problems faced by women now?

[@ithinkiknowme6450]

Yes exactly

[@AliKhan-hs4ci]

Being protected comes after, first is to know the law. Unfortunately neither Muslim men or women know the law and subsequently the rights they have, which causes alot of unwanted distress. InshaAllah khair.

[@factinfoonhand]

Lol wow

[@hayatullahrahmatzai9839]

Very informative. I wish you had more time to discuss the below issues: 1. Faskh فسخ which is the right of both Women and men. 2. Khala خلع which is the rights of woman 3.Talaq طلاق you briefly discussed. This is the right of a man but can be transferred to a woman in specific circumstances. 4. Tafreeq تفریق which is the right of women and has four types. Request Has to be made by a woman to the relevant court for a decision.

[@Justme-vq8rx]

The 1st and 4th what are they about?

[@jihaddin11]

Women in general usually have a problem with not having the same right as men as long as it benefits them. For example they don't have a problem with the Man spending his wealth for there maintenance while they spend little or nothing at all.

[@falakgilani6448]

@BattleCatSRT Indeed. And Allah only increases His Fadl for whomever He Has Given it to and does not Command or Support abuse or violence. Also, many women today work and are many times the sole contributors to the household, especially seen in poor households (maid servants, etc) which means they would be the heads of their families as well. However, it's never about being the head, it's about being equal partners in Islam. Islam believes in justice and fairness and even fadl and ehsaan (favoring the other a bit more) which is what ibn Abbas and many scholars say is what the ayah "and men have a degree above them" means. The Quran also says don't forget goodness and fadl between yourselves while discussing whether half or the full mahr should be given/forgiven by the man or woman respectively if divorce occurs before the consummation of a marriage. Indeed the Prophet Sm said treat your children equally and don't favor one over the other and if anyone should be favored (exception) then it can be your daughters.

[@moon-vs4ig]

The man can divorce his wife simply by word of mouth, and does not even have to provide REASONS, or prove her worthiness. On the other hand, the woman has to go through courts and hearings and PROVIDE REASONS THAT MUST BE FROM A VERY SPECIFIC LIST OF FAULTS. Like adultery or absence for four years!!! And she has to PROVE THOSE REASONS TO VALIDATE THEM IN COURT. And then if she wins the case, the court will GRANT her her FREEDOM. What part of this seems FAIR to anyone under the heavens?????????? Ps. Also keep in mind that the husband is allowed to have four wives at the same time!!! So hurrrrraaay for men!!! If you have come here to seek GENDER EQUALITY, you won't find a single drop of it here. I am not speaking as an outsider, I happen to be a Muslim woman.

[@MrSbhussain]

woman wants rich husband woman wants free dawri payment woman wants free maintenance woman wants free resources woman wants free bills being paid woman wants everything for free what sort of security does husband get that she won't fail the marriage ? if there are hard times, she meets a richer guy, guess what, woman wants divorce when woman wants divorce she will forget shariah law after happily consuming the benefits, next woman wants to steal assets woman wants lifetime spouse maintenance woman wants to steal children woman wants child maintenance woman wants to alienate father woman wants everything for free and right to divorce, no wonder why women are crying nowadays being unmarried

[@iamnobodywhoami8416]

Men can’t divorce by mouth the Quran nor the prophet had permitted it. Only south Asians do that. It was invented by misogynistic men.

[@aircrafts6tge222]

The women has the right in the marriage contract to have that the husband cannot marry another wife. Meaning she be the only one. It is permitted for the wife to include the conditional or unconditional right to divorce as a stipulation within her marriage contract. During the time of the Messenger PBUH a women asked for divorce because the man she was married to didn’t satisfy her. She was granted divorce. Another women asked and

[@paulbrown609]

@@MrSbhussainbut men don’t carry babies , some you guys are pigs may I dear say it

[@sanamajaidea1315]

@@MrSbhussain Husband has certain rights over his wife. Wife has certain rights over her husband. Husband has martial obligations to fulfill. Wife has martial obligations to fulfill. Therefore, choose your partner carefully because it will dictate how you live your life moving forward. Not all women are gold-diggers and not all men are scumbags.

[@AishaRosalie]

This series has been a huge help to me!

[@aiva729]

I think having a third party is actually good and protects women. Because If she wants to divorce her husband there's a possibility of him being ill-tempered or abusive.

[@the_star_that_naps]

the only thing the third party caused is making it hard for women to divorce, whilst the man can immediately divorce his wife whenever he wants to.

[@brucewayne7875]

5:45 The interviewer is asking a very good question here and Dr Shabir failed to answer it adequately. He mentions other solutions for women to obtain a divorce but doesn't explain why women don't have the right to divorce their husbands the same way husbands do, so he didn't answer the question but seemed to be answering a different question which is more along the lines of " what can women do if they want a divorce then? ".

[@afsharfarhan7922]

Women can divorce as men can divorce in Islam. Hadith حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ الْمُبَارَكِ الْمُخَرِّمِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا قُرَادٌ أَبُو نُوحٍ، حَدَّثَنَا جَرِيرُ بْنُ حَازِمٍ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، رضى الله عنهما قَالَ جَاءَتِ امْرَأَةُ ثَابِتِ بْنِ قَيْسِ بْنِ شَمَّاسٍ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا أَنْقِمُ عَلَى ثَابِتٍ فِي دِينٍ وَلاَ خُلُقٍ، إِلاَّ أَنِّي أَخَافُ الْكُفْرَ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ فَتَرُدِّينَ عَلَيْهِ حَدِيقَتَهُ ‏" ‏‏‏ فَقَالَتْ نَعَمْ‏‏ فَرَدَّتْ عَلَيْهِ، وَأَمَرَهُ فَفَارَقَهَا‏‏ Narrated Ibn `Abbas: The wife of Thabit bin Qais bin Shammas came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not blame Thabit for any defects in his character or his religion, but I am afraid that I (being a Muslim) may become unthankful for Allah's Blessings." On that, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said (to her), 'Will you return his garden to him?" She said, "Yes." So she returned his garden to him and the Prophet (ﷺ) told him to divorce her. Sahih al-Bukhari 5276 In-book : Book 68, Hadith 25 USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 63, Hadith 199 (deprecated)

[@brucewayne7875]

@@afsharfarhan7922 "Women can divorce as men can divorce in Islam. " Clearly that's just not true. You just demonstrated that with the hadith you referenced. The woman had to go to the prophet and request a divorce, and then the prophet had to tell the husband to divorce her since only the husband can do it. I'm wondering though, did the husband have any choice in the matter? Or does the prophet telling him equate to an order, in which case it would seem that the prophet is unjustly interfering with a married couple's affairs.

[@spontaneoushope9892]

Wow, wise prophet. What a good reason to break a marriage. Great advice slave of Allah.

[@Justme-vq8rx]

@@brucewayne7875 She don't do it as the man because she is not a man, simple as that. As long as she can divorce what's wrong?

[@brucewayne7875]

@@Justme-vq8rx What's wrong? The fact that the man can divorce and she can't. She has to ask her husband for divorce or get someone to convince him to divorce, or get a judge to rule a divorce if he was abusive or something. It doesn't take much effort to see that what a woman has to do to get a divorce is more difficult and NOT guaranteed to work, whereas the man can do it whenever he wants just by saying a word to her. It makes so much more sense today in the western world where you have BOTH the husband and wife having to sign for the divorce to be valid. Islam giving the husband all this power to divorce is absurd.

[@queaaron7814]

The problem occurs, when men use hadith a lot for their benefit, and the scholars try to turn a blind eye to matters related to their manhood.although the hadith clearly carries more disadvantages than benefits of forming a real system of human behavior.What is clearer, we see this is how to control women's behavior, liok so wrong right.but no want like to take action.The hadith was written by a man, and the man was a close friend of the Prophet, and they only used to give their opinion more for their benefit, because there was no man women in chat area to talk about politic, ekonomi, and a lot of thing ....so solution in this stuation, beleive on Allah, and that is written in the Qur'an.islam is easy, butbpeople likebti make thing hard.! give respect but in limitation .. insyaallah..islam the most perfect religious,not religious creating by man but by Allah .

[@citisamsjw5513]

All of you are smart enough to read the Quran for your self...😃you are your best scholar..

[@xtreme6018]

True

[@lighttheoryllc4337]

Some of these brothers and sis are not as smart as you give to them haha They are too literal minded, and spoon fed by media

Almost every class you have been in, from kindergarten to university, has had a teacher and a book. How can the most important book not have a teacher?!

[@lighttheoryllc4337]

@ ALLAH reveals each holy book as a mercy and wisdom and forewarning to his descendants of Adam Eve. What are you talking about?

[@the_star_that_naps]

only sheikhs have the right to interpret the quran

[@brucewayne7875]

So some scholars view men divorcing their wives three times in one setting as to only count as one, whereas other scholars would say it means she is permanently divorced. Which view is correct, and why wouldn't Allah make this super clear for Muslims so that they wouldn't have to suffer with this? What if the husband's family viewed the triple divorce thing to be a permanent divorce but the wife's family didn't? What resolves this difference in interpretation?

[@kayc.8283]

There is an islamic council with different scholars on the board. They consult with eachother before they make their decision. Its alot easier for women to get their divorce these days than it was in earlier generations.

[@brucewayne7875]

@@kayc.8283 And who appointed this council as an authority? And why would Muslims follow what this council agrees on?

[@wouldyounot7971]

In all honesty, this is troublesome. But I believe it is a test and trial for women. The consequences of every rule created by Allah does not go unseen. I don’t believe Allah would make it easier on men because they are “superior”. Its a test for women and men. Men who take advantage of their gifts will be punished. Women can bare patience and do their best to help themselves and be rewarded for what they faced in this life. And Allah knows best

[@brucewayne7875]

@@wouldyounot7971 But the question remains which is what resolves the difference in interpretation? Saying it's a test doesn't really explain how it gets resolved.

[@wouldyounot7971]

Bruce Wayne oop sorry. Usually we’d go to the hadith and sunnah but when it comes to controversial topics that there is no evidence for, you have to do your best to pick an option to the best of ur ability. So probably look at the diff opinions of scholars and their reasoning and pick one that makes the most sense (not the one that suits ur desires) and inshaAllah itll be ok. U r not accountable for something u genuinely didnt knoe

[@Assassin977]

Wow. Let's be careful. My take away from this is he is saying that we can follow the Quran when it's convenient and not to follow it if it's not, according to how we feel at the time. I think there was no strong answer given here and only added confusion for many people. As a Muslim, you must follow the Quran and Sunnah as it is applicable for all times. Are there moments when a fatwa (ruling amongst the scholars) can be given for certain circumstances that would require such a ruling? Yes. Like consuming intoxicating substances. Normally you would not be allowed to take it. However, if you are going into surgery, then it is understood that you are allowed to take it to relieve you of pain and even Prevent death, etc. What should also have been discussed and was really not mentioned here, is that a woman is indeed allowed to seek divorce given that there is legitimate reasons. And those reasons can be as simple as she is not attracted to her husband - from my understanding. If she seeks divorce on a whim or seeks it due to her husband following Islamic teachings, then that is not a legitimate case for seeking divorce. For example, if a woman seeks divorce from her husband because he is telling her to keep covered properly, or to be home at a certain time, then that is not legitimate. And yes these examples I have personally observed. It is the man's responsibility and right over the woman that Your creator has given him. As he has given the woman different rights and responsibilities. If you don't see the wisdom in what your lord has decreed, that's your issue, not his mistake. What will we question next? Why God has made women cover up more than men, Is it fair? Why did God make me a man, should I have the right to have a sex change? Point is that it becomes endless. If you think that you know better than God, then you are no longer a Muslim. Just making this comment, but not accusing anyone that they fall under this. But we must be very careful. The Prophet Mohammad, Please be upon him, said, If you follow 2 things, you will never go Astray. The Quran and his Sunnah. So why are we even debating whether to follow the rulings in the Quran or not? Unless certain rulings have been abbrograted, they were meant to be followed in all times. And Allah, subhanallah hu wat'ala, knows best.

[@amatulgafoor3096]

Assalamalikum i wanted to ask if a woman want to divorce due to ill behaviour of his husband can she get the dowry which she took with her to her in law's house .

[@bibz8003]

@@hussainismail2080 why? If she is being abused why should she be at a financial disadvantage in order to gain her freedom?

[@hussainismail2080]

@@bibz8003 When did I even say that?. I just said that yes she can take the dowry with her back but would probably have to give up the mahr if she demanded divorce!

[@bibz8003]

@@hussainismail2080 yes, so why should she have to give it back if the reason for having to divorce is because staying is harmful to her and the husband isn't willing to change? My point is, her needing to divorce isn't out of choice so why should she have to return the Mehr?

[@hussainismail2080]

@@bibz8003 Mahr is actually a compensation for women for her sexual exploitation by her husband.. So, If a women ends a marriage then she is required to return the mahr... See, I am not a scholar but all my above statements are right, I have read them in Quran and it's in our religion so I don't think we should debate on why and how^..Accept the fact, if you are muslim

[@bibz8003]

@@hussainismail2080 I believe ijtihad is required for this because what you are referring to is the interpretation of a hadith relating to one Sahabiya who wanted to divorce her husband for no other reason that because she didn't find him attractive, there was no fault on the husband's part and therefore the Prophet PBUH advised her to return the Mehr which she was happy to do and was fair under the circumstances. The same scenario can't be used when the husband clearly is at fault surely. And if anything this could easily be taken advantage of by an abusive husband - he refuses to give the divorce knowing that if the woman is forced to, she will have to give back what is rightfully hers. I'm not a scholar either but that doesn't make sense and doesn't seem just at all.

[@TheMrpalid]

If you are getting married in the west, you should strongly consider a prenup unless you want kufr laws over the Shariah

[@Mister.Psychology]

If you can't even read specific laws in the Quran then how can you say that one must always or one must never do a certain thing? That's where I'm confused about this. Because in Muslim countries there are often very specific laws about behaviour.

[@SaimaZuberi]

When the rumor regarding the Prophet's divorce spread, Hazrat Omar went to Hazrat Hafsa and asked if that was true. She was crying and said, "I DON'T KNOW!" How's that possible? The only explanation is that she did not know if the divorce was actually filed officially or not. I believe there was a process in place for REGISTRATION of both the marriage and divorce, and that meant a compulsory mediation of authorities in case either party wants a divorce. A sect of Muslims have been carrying out this practice even today. It ensures equality and removes any misuse of "right" to divorce.

[@ambreenshahada8690]

If husband says three times at one time you divorced you divorced you divorced so is divorced happen? Or it’s considered first divorce? Please reply me I’m so confused need your help😢

[@razamughal4582]

its three

[@pardesidost-kd5sc]

Please help. If a woman is divorced and does not have any child. For how long husband is responsible for her maintenance?? If it is only for 3 months like duration of Iddat, It does not see fair. As the woman does not job skills and hard for her to find job in market.

[@razamughal9095]

It IS fair. The man is NOT responsible to feed you for life.

[@hamidamorson9192]

Question please, if you are divorce by your husband, are you supposed to stay in the house for three months ?

[@money_1239]

It depends on the situation there are clear Quran verses that speaks on this matter , ALLAH IS THE GREATEST !

[@pathayeramkodi253]

He says divorce is good for women this gives them freedom from husband abuse, what beautiful way of telling that divorce is good for women.Plus she has to wait 3 months,in between 3 month if the husband wants her, he can take Her back

[@ericbrazau6533]

But what if abusing women is popular or accepted. The way Imam Ally talks about wife abuse it seems like it is common. That means wherever she goes men abuse women.

[@mohammedali7803]

Masha'Allah looking great sheikh 👍👍👍

[@lisal440]

Can someone please guide me as how to get a divorce from a man I cannot speak to due to a restraining order?

[@tbhat10]

Hi Lisa- has your marriage been legally registered with the courts?

[@akbarkamarudin9854]

Islamic law is the first legal system recognising the right of the wife to seek dissolution of marriage. There are many types of dissolution that the wife could seek. First, khuluk which the wife proposes to the husband to pronounce talaq with monetary consideration provided by her. Second, talaq ta'lik where the husband breaches conditions attached to the ta'lik. As an example, if the condition states that talaq will occur if the husband fails to pay maintenance, then talaq will occur. Third, fasakh where the wife could ask for dissolution if for instance, there are abuses commited by the husband. In essence, both Islamic and Civil legal system make it difficult for divorce to occur because in principle, both do not encourage divorce.

[@tiptoe8564]

What? This is not nice rules for women.

[@iamnobodywhoami8416]

As a Muslim, I know that this is unfair bc it’s not entirely true. Misogynistic men hide the truth to oppress women. Islam is peaceful but culture ruins it

[@xtreme6018]

Its said in hadith n quran : if its mentioned in contract then women can divorce men.. Thts why saudi gets persmission to women 2020

[@bullseye9723]

what?? have heard of khula ?? it is written in quran

[@azirbesim8844]

If you legally separated but not divorced yet its haram to go with another woman or woman with another man?

[@waymilky442]

The waiting period is 3 months.

[@imanaibai8641]

I actually think there's a reason for a woman to go firstly to a religious authority. Because she decided to divorce for a reason, almost no one would like to divorce a good and kind person, so the man could initiate a scandal or even a domestic violence.

[@hishamatcha9965]

How does Islam not work anymore. Islam is exactly the same. It is we who keep changing nd wanting and having big needs and expectations.

[@e.k874]

times have changed .. day and night difference

[@KlusterFux]

You said first that the Quaran says nothing about divorce, then later you said the Quaran says three strikes you're out. Which is it. Or are the rules simply a whim of people who wrote books? Thanx

[@kevinmzi6586]

So you take the advice of your lord or the scholars? Dr Ally is put in a corner with this topic and he is struggling to justify nonsense rules. Yet again he talks about the historical context of the Quran. You really need to make up your mind. It's a historical book for the archives or a revelation for all time but it can't be both.

[@khanimania]

Also saying 3 talaq at one time is still considered 1.

[@razamughal4582]

No it is NOT. Learn mathematics.

[@clermontgagnon8684]

Why not like man, woman do not get the one strike your out.

[@account_nameonline6420]

Clermont Gagnon because women are treated like children in Islam

[@Justme-vq8rx]

Why would she have to do like the man?

[@grigotts]

@Ganga Din she is considered half witness as you put it only in a financial situation. Otherwise gender does not matter when it comes to acting witness in other aspects. And financial is because Islam makes it compulsory for a man to earn for his wife and kids. Woman don't have the duty to earn it is the man's duty to feed, cloth and provide for her. So considering that men are more involved in financial matters compared to woman , hence , 2 woman witness in financial matters. Hope the answer helps .

[@Justme-vq8rx]

@Ayan D A this isn't true

[@saidosmunos880]

Let's be frank here and hit another topic. Most women are not better than any man when it comes to divorce. Even in our western countrys man. As soon as they have a right to things as alimony and unending payments many of them make use of it unconditionally. I am not talking about maintenance for children. Just talking about abusing power. Many of my friends, Muslims and non-Muslims were literally shaven bald 😂 by their women when it came to divorce. And the women had full divorce rights etc. So pls don't think that just men are the 'bad guys' when it comes to divorce.

[@ShajahanE4]

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The wife of Thabit bin Qais came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I do not blame Thabit for defects in his character or his religion, but I, being a Muslim, dislike to behave in un-Islamic manner if I remain with him." On that Allah's Apostle said to her, "Will you give back the garden which your husband has given you as Mahr?" She said, "Yes." Then the Prophet ordered to Thabit, "O Thabit! Accept your garden, and divorce her once."[4]

[@razamughal4582]

He did NOT order. He HAD NO RIGHT TO ORDER. He acted as a mediator. He then left the decision to the husband to make. And the husband out of respect for the Prophet, agreed.

[@asmabegum4947]

If husband marriage another woman, does wife can divorce him?please give me answer.

[@xalimox3525]

If you didn't put this in the nikah contract, then you can ask for khula but you'll have to return the dowry

[@asmabegum4947]

What is khula?I don't know.

[@SideControl]

@@asmabegum4947 A khula is a divorce for a woman. You can go the judge and get a Khula and separate with your husband as long as you can return the dowry

[@brucewayne7875]

@@SideControl And if you spent the dowry you're screwed?

[@SideControl]

@@brucewayne7875 You don't need to give it back if the husband is in the wrong, and you don't need to give it back instantly.

[@stefanhenneken5415]

If the wife has a valid reason to ask divorce (husband is sterile) does she still have to give her gold jewellery back? The husband took all the gold jewelry by force from the daughter of a friend of mine and he does not want to give her divorce even though she has legit reason to have one and now she has to try to get it via court and those would be great help to pay a lawyer. I am not sure if the Surah 2 verse 229 is also "talking" about this or not and I think that I have read somewhere that the wife should have compensation for the time they have been married. 🤔

[@razamughal9095]

No. If she has a valid reason, then simply ask him to give a talaq. Any decent man would give it, then she would keep her gold. And that gold would only be one that was part of her mahr in the time of the nikah or any thing that was given to her as a gift. When it comes to a khula, she forfeits her mahr in return for a swift divorce.

[@factinfoonhand]

So let me get this straight a man can divorce a woman 3 times then someone else Marries her then he divorce her and then she can marry the first guy she divorces 3 times. Wow that's deep and disturbing.

[@mksaadi1837]

if she wants, whats the problem? no one can force her to do it.

[@themed7434]

@@mksaadi1837 i think he means the idea of getting married is disturbing, probably from Murica

[@waymilky442]

Why disturbing?

[@waymilky442]

He can only take her back if she accepts!

[@factinfoonhand]

@@waymilky442 oh wow so that's makes better. Is that a human being or a car. Wow and you got the nerve to say this. Women got value and as smart as men except in Islam. My Muslim friend started his 4 years old daughter learning Islam in matter of a fact she got a teacher that comes and teaches her Islam. Wow what a life!

[@kmilanista5508]

Honestly the islamic rule makes so much sense like even though all it takes to divorce your wife according to the islamic law is to tell her that she’s divorced, the divorce rates in islamic countries are the lowest in the world.

[@the_star_that_naps]

because....the women can't divorce whenever they feel like it...Let's not also forget that culture is a big deal, in most muslim countries divorce is seen as something bad and divorced women are looked down upon, now which woman would like to go through that? Let's also take into account that the countries where there is the lowest divorce rate - women are statistically more afraid of speaking up against domestic abuse AND because it is *hard* to get a divorce in those countries.

[@Seekingilm24_7]

its funny someone will like has assumed that something that has been mentioned on more than one page something highlighted in quran also discussed in many hadith and has been discussed in many books is nothing but a recommendation

[@daniyalis]

Dr. Shabit Ally's answers created more questions than he tried to answer the question; in my view. Not happy with his explanation. His answers will play directly into the hands of Munafiq and Mushrik. He should have done a better job here or reserved his answers for some detailed explanation than asking to do Ijthihad on such a serious matter. I was expecting more from him but got disappointed.

[@agownemona3991]

In Qur'an there is a explanation how men can divorce his wives but no explanation for wife to divorce her husband.why?

[@razamughal4582]

its not an explanation for men that verse is infornative to both men and women

[@shahidiqbal-lq8yg]

Every single divorce has idda.... Do you think 3 divorce in one sitting are 3 or one.... What I understand is one sitting u can divorce 1 time then there is idda period.. If man n women revoke in idda period they r husband wife... If idda pass then they can arrange new nikah if they want to live as husband n wife...but this divorce stay as no 1...next time divorce will be no 2...Please explain in detail

[@razamughal4582]

three are THREE

[@bethesda5739]

There is a Surah dedicated to divorce

[@iamnobodywhoami8416]

Which one?

[@bethesda5739]

@@iamnobodywhoami8416 Sura 65 Al-Talaq The Qur’an is such an evil book. 1.-Has a entire chapter dedicated to the divorce, 2.- speaks about how to clean your privates before praying. 3.-Who, where and how to divorce. 4.- call the divorce “holy” or “Devine” = “Al” 5.- It’s easy for a man divorce his wife but difficult for a woman to divorce her husband 6. Speaks more about the divorce than prophet “ Eisa”, making divorce more important than the prophets. 7.- how to hit a wife but never mentioned how to hit a husband All that to show you how evil is that religion and its book. The Qur’an and Islam are not a religion of peace

[@maheraahmed4210]

Is he seriously saying women aren't allowed to divorce in Islam? That's just not true. The prophet let a women divorce her husband because she said "I can't stand to see his face". It's easier in Islam for a women to get divorced than a man because they don't have to give a reason.

[@RobenArjen]

He’s talking about men who want to divorce

[@ShajahanE4]

Khulʿ (Arabic: خلع [xʊlʕ], "deposition"/"luxation"), also called khula, is a procedure through which a woman can divorce herself from her husband in Islam, by returning the dower (mahr) and everything she received from him during their life together, or without returning anything, as agreed by the spouses or judge's ...

[@danielsarker4643]

Mr Shabeer Ally is a real gentle, with no temper(in general we do not see in debate as muslim), learned, above all a respectable man. Yes-- he knows a lot. I like him. But does he confirm himself to stand before The All Mighty as forgiven (sinless) & that joy can Mr ally express from his deep down heart now. When he is alone ----. If not,let him KNOW the truth, let him kneel down and cry out. Mr Ally is very humble man what I saw him all the time of his speeches.

[@RumanaRahman-jo6pb]

My husband give me 3 time talak talak talak Infront of people. So divorce happened or not

[@RumanaRahman-jo6pb]

Please answer me

[@razamughal4582]

​@@RumanaRahman-jo6pbyes

[@كاريكاري-ق1غ]

Asalamu aleykum, i know this is off topic but i like ur dress sister. 😊

[@bethesda5739]

Why Muslim women never read the Qur'an before marriage? We should talk openly about divorce in Islam coulture This way will not marry a Muslim man for no reason at all

[@lilyblack1979]

@@bethesda5739 You can't generalise Muslims. Muslims live in different countries. Every country has their own law about divorce. In my country it's easy for woman/man to apply for divorce, they will go through several rounds of mediation, then everything will be settled in the court.

[@Dai_rui]

Divorce is not allowed in islam for women if they have not suffered physical or emothional abuse. Most imams will not agree to divorce without these types of conditions for women, whereas men dont need any excuses. So situations like mentioned here about not being in Love with her husband, under islam law, you dont have the right to divorce. I have heard so many imams talk about this, and everytime it comes to this. But i believe men and women, doesnt matter what religion or culture, arent fully educated on marriage. Although it seems islamic stay away from sin for sisters, please think about yourself and the double standards you might face if you end up in a divorce. If anyone has more info about this please share. So we can talk about these very serious issue that surround women in islam. There is more discussion on youtube about what to do on wedding night then these issues, and we need to change that together.

[@waymilky442]

No! she can give back mahr.

[@xtreme6018]

Its culture of tht time.... so allah restricted into 3.... I have question "why allah nt ban this".. Can i say its sexiest??

[@ethioramble]

There are several couples who changed their mind after 1 divorce it would have been very difficult if they had only one chance. There are times you think things over when you have space and I personally know couples who reunited and get married again. No, I don't think it is sexist because the woman also has the right to say "no". Btw, I advice you to see Dr Omar Suleiman's video about women the channel is Bayinnah institute and the playlist is Out of context. May Allah make it easy for us.

[@abdulsiddiqui7016]

It’s unfair to men if anything

[@azfarsyed7082]

Islam is a full package of life, here & hereafter.Muslims have to know Ref..Quran Majeed & Adees -e- Nabvi PBUH.When ever any part of the marriage life become hell,even try& give each other chances?Then Divorce & Khulla( man give or women ask) We pray Majority of Muslims Marriages remain strong.If divorce rate is 5% or 10% in Muslims Community its ok.Its Halal.We need Halal credit unions also. Thanks to sharing.

[@ahmedabdulhameed9194]

I think, Dr. Shabir Ali after spending almost 12 minutes, could not scratched the surface of the issue. I recommend him to go through the book "Talaq Do Us Part" By Zia us Salam.

[@waseemhameed3569]

Ahmed abdul hameed its a godly rule. If our understanding is poor we should discard it just because of that. God knows better than us.

[@rinoshrai4046]

can women become the head of Islam majit?

[@razamughal4582]

no

[@abdulahmadi4512]

Salam Dr. Shabir Ally! One my Danish coworker asked me. If a man be come shahid he will get 72 women in Janat. What about women!? It is serious question that he trying to find the answer.

[@khadijakhadija4579]

Abdul Ahmadi I have seen videos stating that men in general would desire to have the 72 virgins whereas what women want is much more complex and varies from one woman to another. The important thing is that if we reach jannah, we can have anything we want

[@Justme-vq8rx]

Listen, women will get what they want in jannah. Allah (swt) says we will (all) have what no ears has ever heard, what no eye has ever seen, and what the soul desire. Do you think Allah swt) can lie? You'll be satisfied, don't worry. And that's funny cause a few days ago I saw a video of Omar Suleyman where he said that the prophet Musa (as) when he heard what the last man to enter paradise would get, he said something like :"if he has that, what I, as a Prophet will have? " then Allah told him not to ask. Wich doesn't mean he will have less, on the contrary.

[@هدي-ه8ظ]

It’s a lie

[@awimosbizzle]

That’s a weak Hadith they don’t get that much. And also the same is for women, but they get men in Jannah. The Hadiths only say 2 spouses. And it’s optional not u HAVE TO. Adam was sign eve. And there is no jealousy. So he won’t care about her husbands. Vise versa

[@ahsangraphy]

I think this conversation somewhat portrays Islam in a negative and defensive light. Almost as if, Islam should apologies for its stance on some of the key fundamentals of society, such as marriage and divorce. Lest we forget, it was the same rulings that produced one of the most vibrant and successful societies in human civilisation. We should be proud of our history, not be apologetic. The problems in today's society isn't Islam, rather absent of it. Allah knows best.

[@xadam1964]

The problem is the system called " Islam"

[@matthewpeterson1914]

Yes it is unfair be real men and woman should go threw the same process as each other and men should not get the children in a divorce did they go threw the pain can they breast feed men had the fun part woman has to deal with it everyday the weight gain would GOD give the child to the men or woman ask yourself that he maid woman nurturing

[@waymilky442]

Women get the children in Islam!

[@bkbk4726]

He says the divorce laws as as per the norms of that time and current day scholars refuse to think that way and still refer to old ways. Agreed. Then how Muslims keep saying Quran is eternal? Whether you like it or not Quran is nothing but the does and don'ts of that days Arabian socienty and sugar coated with the bigest single point of failure that IT IS FROM GOD.

[@razamughal9095]

There is only ONE way to divorce, there is no past times and current times. The way outlined by Allah is ONE, and that is when a man says talaq three times in one go, it is THREE. it may not be the prescribed method, but it takes effect. Just like when a man did not intend to kill someone but that person died, he will be tried for manslaughter.

[@marshalllee624]

Most of the comments are just spreading hatred. Theyve never experienced a real Divorce so they know nothing.. They are not Judge/lawyer. They are just Keyboard warriors lol.. Dr. Shabir is just talking like an open book.. So you need to study it more depends on your situation.

[@atharqureshi1963]

Can a Man remarry his wife after divorcing her first time after first three mensurational cycles of month by giving new Martial money

[@waymilky442]

No that doesn't apply after the 3 months wait!

[@razamughal4582]

yes. if he did not issue three talaqs

[@mdsabbirrahman1245]

Why a women is taking this interview face to face?

[@omarsalim9562]

Why not

[@pathayeramkodi253]

This is Arabic culture which is followed this is not from God.how can God be that bad

[@Justme-vq8rx]

I believe you don't have the right vision of Islam, and the right opinion of Allah. The fact is that islam is perfect and if someone has been wronged it's not islam fault, it's only about what men (both men and women) do.

[@justinw2232]

All religions are derived from the cultures where they were created

[@waymilky442]

What's bad?

[@zahidasekkeh1323]

What if the wife is being mentally harresed

[@Oshianis]

Any form of abuse or harassment is grounds for divorce. And the women needs to have that right.

[@IbrahimAhsanFarooqui]

even if it's a recommendation that's still literal. that depends on how the the command is given. all of these are from Usul Fiqh. these aren't problems and aren't examples and doesn't answer the question with all due respect

[@oc6583]

Dear Br. Islam is very clear and well established about Divorce. You make divorce sound like having a breakfeast, so lightly and normal. Muslims are marrying and having families from the start of Time of Adem AS. You should just state the facts and educate the muslims about these truths, not according to our own and our societies whimps. I hear many of you 'sheiks" talking about this hadith related to the lady of "Sabit". You "imams" have to clearly communicate the specific situation of their marriage and asking Rasulallah SAV for divorce. Do you not know the full story or you are hiding it on purpose. Q. When did she found Sabit not attractive, starting from what time, before the marriage or after the marriage. Do not you know that most divorces are filed by women. They do not need your encouragment to go and file for a divorce. Fear Allah. Do not miss guide the believers under the cover of beard and being an Imam or a Shaikh.

[@ejikeeze9148]

This man has never go straight to the point the question is, have islam fairly in issues of divorce as Islam claim advocate for women's rights

[@هدي-ه8ظ]

It does.

[@dannytheman2217]

Women just don’t get married, stay single and independent and lonely

[@mashrurmollick]

I am so lonely broken angel..

[@dannytheman2217]

@@mashrurmollick im so ronry

[@ejuram03]

Women and Islam is like Black n Slavery.....

[@e.k874]

times have changed .. like way day and night difference

[@Justme-vq8rx]

Time have changed but religion is not "changeable", I mean Allah is asking for a good comportement with people in general so how someone can think he can mistreat someone he has a contract with. This is utter non-sense!

[@sarahlewandowicz7696]

Mauritiana divorce parties are the way. Check it out :D

[@iansaliheen110]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@sumersen738]

on many occasions Ally comes across as being very progressive and critical, but somehow sticks to traditional rulings; without examining them. Does the quran not speak about women initiating the divorce?! See baqarah 229... Even in the hadeeth it is mentioned, thabit bin qas' wife habiba divorced him. Do read this article islamandquran org/fatwas/the-women%E2%80%99s-right-to-divorce-iftida.html

[@erdemakpinar]

In fact the way proposed to women is more compatible with modern western civil law. Women a court rulling to divorce. The judge has to be convinced that she is right to demand divorce. The real incompabilty rise regarding the right of man who has a dicretionary right to divorce without explaining why unilateraly.

[@umarbashir7877]

The man pays in a marriage. The dowry is a must that a man must pay If divorce right was given to women then they would take the money and run away

[@malimusic3204]

How much is dowry now days? Please! And we will run and leave our children huh?

[@sabiak4506]

@@malimusic3204 dowry is almost 2 to 3 crores in Islamic countries where men should pay it to women before marriage and remaining when he divorce. But in india , pak , Bangladesh , afganistan men give whatever they like or they don't even give or take from then and this is a sin.

[@iamnobodywhoami8416]

Women aren’t dumb. Realistically who would do that😂. The brides side pay for the wedding only for her to run with the dowry and her parents broke from paying for the wedding

[@bethesda5739]

@@sabiak4506 nobody is speaking about other religions

[@duwanemanish9540]

Islam doesn’t force a woman to stay in bad marriages. If she isn’t happy, she can ask for a divorce or go to Imam to nullify the divorce.Allah is Most Wise.If a woman is given upper hand in divorce matters, everyday would be a divorce day due to nature of women being very emotional in the heat of the moment and think with their hearts instead of their heads. No offense. Correct me. Wabillahi Tawfiq

[@brucewayne7875]

Men are also very emotional and divorce their wives in the heat of the moment unintentionally. Plus there is no scientific evidence that i'm aware of that women are inherently more emotional then men and that this contributes to more divorces initiated by women than men.

[@clermontgagnon8684]

Reasonably my eye, a complete lie.

[@surakatopeyemi8097]

Insanity

[@soyabghanchi2056]

i am very disappoint hearing your views on this....it doesn't matter what conservative or little liberal scholar thinks you have to follow the Qur'an in essence. divorce is last resort in Islam..there are various ways to settle dispute between husband and wife. we have educate Males of society what is the correct way of divorce. and not to change the command of Allah (swt) there's enough provision for wife to ask for divorce where's the Injustice in this??

[@abdiazizmohamed4135]

This man is clearly going against the quran and sunaha may allah guide him to the path

[@roquiamahmoodi965]

I am sorry but will you please tell me: Are you a scholar? Have you spent your entire life studying quran and fiq? If yes then I have nothing to say, but if you are not then please re-evaluate your opinion. He did not say anything against Quran he presented things as fact.

[@roquiamahmoodi965]

people go astray when ordinary people think they know more than a person who evaluates every letter of Quran and spend their entire life studying the subject.

[@Justme-vq8rx]

Why?

[@waymilky442]

You are against!

[@AtharAfzal]

I think there is an even an balanced approach in Islam and their are different pros and cons for a husband or a wife ending a marriage. I don't believe a divorce rules are 'unfair' to women - I think they're just difficult to invoke whether you are a husband or a wife. Example - a husband can only divorce his wife after living with her for 3 complete menstrual cycles - that's tough - supporting someone while you have made the decision to divorce. Similarly if an Islamic Judge grants a woman a divorce - it happens instantaneously. I think the title of this youtube video is a bit misleading.

[@kayc.8283]

Except if the man was not to support her for those 3 menstrual cycles the ex husband could come back and accuse her of adultery if she were to become pregnant during those 3 months. So it makes sense to protect women from that. Also... in cases of khula women have to complete 1 menstrual cycle before they can physically leave. Also... the process of khula is not instantaneous... on average it takes about 6 months to get a khula... and I've heard some women have waited longer than 10 years and are still waiting. The only instantaneous divorce is talak. Men don't need intervention from the courts to make a personal decision about their own lives and have to rehash over and over again the reasons they want out in front of an Islamic council. If you really think its fair... i don't know what to say

[@theingenious8197]

What a joke 😂 Islam and Qur'an are funny and at the same time complicated 😂

[@rahulgupta-zt9nw]

You are too damn cute😊😁

[@lilyblack1979]

Yeah, Dr Shabir looks kinda cute without his hat 😂😂😂

[@f.g.1641]

Jesus said let no one get divorce. What God joined no one has the power to divorce

[@MrWatchmen759]

Yeah that doesn’t even sound logical

[@kayc.8283]

... if only he was just and understanding... 😒

[@agriff2427]

Ayan D A yes he did So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, man must not separate."

[@Oshianis]

Again. Jesus said "except for fornication" and I say also if there is "abuse" then divorce should be permitted...

[@homopolemicus3449]

I disagree with Dr Ally’s narrative about divorce laws or any other laws for that matter need to be re-interpreted for the modern era. It assumes the modern is somehow a “good” development for society. Stats show women initiate divorce in 70% of cases i.e. given the opportunity women would single handed account for the majority of family break-ups. This is clearly not desirable. Hence the wisdom in allowing the right to divorce to men alone who are very unlikely to actually use the right. It allows for far more stable family structures in society. Dr Ally again appears to fall foul of the post modernist narrative about what the real nature of the human species is. There surely is an absolute truth and current society is surely far removed from it.

[@kayc.8283]

Except you didn't take into account why 70% of the women would leave in the first place. Lol Edit: Most women WANT relationships to work. They're naturally programmed for commitment. Women leave when they've absolutely had enough and Men are unwilling to put in any work until they feel that something is broken. A women can be shouting that something needs to be fixed from the rooftops but they only realize that something is wrong when divorce is on the table. This is something I've sadly witnesses more times than I can count.

[@MohamedHassan-dm9df]

Kay C. No they’re naturally programmed to be hypergamous. To believe women are programmed for commitment is being naive

[@kayc.8283]

@@MohamedHassan-dm9df why one or the other? It makes sense to want to marry up in the social "caste" system for women. They need to make sure their children get the best possible financial outcome. Men dont care as much about a womens status because they dont need to. They can leave the relationship whenever they want and not have it affect them financially because they wont get stuck with chils raising. How many single moms we know in the world? Plenty.. Men dont always hold up their end of the deal. How many successful women we know are single? Plenty because Men are not interested in a women that is more accomplishes than them, and honestly they think they don't need to be.

[@MohamedHassan-dm9df]

Kay C. You have an assumption that women are programmed to hold up their end of the bargain than men. Except they initiate divorce 70% of the time. And if you look at adultery statistics they commit adultery at a similar rate as their male counterparts. So much for your claim that women hold their end of the bargain more when in fact they cheat as much. All I’m saying is there’s a lot of men and women that are foolish. That don’t know how to communicate etc. my problem with your claim is it that there’s an assumption that when a women divorces it’s always cause the man did something wrong but when a man divorces a women the man is in the wrong for divorcing her.

[@commonsenseisntsocommon]

So you'd rather women stay in marriages where they're miserable? Many women are leaving because of abuse/mistreatment, or lack of support from their partner. The question should be why are men treating their wives so badly that so many of them want to leave. In the past and in other societies the divorce rate is lower bc women arw financially dependent and she unable to leave unless someone can take them in which is often not the case.

[@Sam-xm8vg]

Be serious about eternity. Islam and Christianity cannot both be right. God has given you an intelligent mind. Used it and carry out a deep analysis of the Quran and Mohammed’s life and ask God to guide you. You will come to the conclusion that Mohamad could not have been a prophet of God and the Quran could not have been from God. Don’t let anyone deceive you. Heaven is real and hell is real. Eternity is a mighty long time. Choose where to spend it my friends. Don’t move with the crowd to hell. Pause, think and do your own research. Don’t trust anyone to do it for you. For 1400 years your sheikhs have been lying to you. Now with internet you can verify what you have been told. Make use of Google and search the internet. Start with: is Mohamed a true prophet of God Almighty/ life history of Mohamed.and Contradictions in the Quran. Life history of Jesus. Also Google the Teachings of Mohamed compared with the teachings of Jesus. You will be more informed. I have personally done this and the conclusion was that Mohamed could not have been a prophet of The Most High and Holy God and The Quran is full of contradictions and mistakes that it is clear that it could not have been from The Almighty God that knows everything and cannot make mistakes.

[@wochdit616]

Name just one contradiction

[@Sam-xm8vg]

You can see that the Quran cannot be from Almighty God. There is confusion and inconsistency in the narrative of the Quran. The Almighty God is not the author of confusion. Leave Islam now before it is too late.

[@wochdit616]

@@Sam-xm8vg so you can't name one?

[@razamughal4582]

there is NOT A SINGLE contradiction.

[@TheMuslimCowboy]

بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم The way they speak about the Quran is kufr. we definitely can NOT take any advice from then any more. The matter of divorce is not unclear and to say it needs rethinking is to say Allaah, Lord of mercy, failed and his book is outdated. وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ ۗ وَمَنْ يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا مُبِينًا (Sahih International) It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error. -Sura Al-Ahzab, Ayah 36

[@ShovikMdAnjum]

Hay fool.it doesn't say about divorce.

[@saifhasaan8475]

Salaam I will no longer listen to this brother as many of his answers are either apologetic or un-Islamic. Women have the right to divorce in Islam as he said but he made it sound like its unfair as if Allah is unjust. Allah knows us better than ourselves and he knows the best for us. We should listen to legitimate Islamic scholars and not this brother.

[@bimbobello8067]

Saif Hasaan he says it as it is ! Islam has made women a play thing to abuse for Muslim men ! A Muslim man can beat his wife , divorce her at his whim - how can it be right to make a human so disposable ? Islam says discount a woman’s pain and jealousy and make her share the man with other women , you can abstain from her bed but the woman was given no such right - it’s such a shame !

[@roquiamahmoodi965]

Allah is not unjust, but some scholars and men are definitely unjust by exaggerating and turning things in their own benefit.

[@angelicanuss1353]

In the wake of the Birmingham Quran manuscript news story of 2015, Gabriel Said Reynolds, professor of Islamic Studies and Theology, published a commentary clarifying the unique differences between extant ancient Qur'an copies. He defines the lower text of the Sana'a palimpsest as ”a rare Qur’anic palimpsest - a manuscript preserving an original Qur’an text that had been erased and written over with a new Qur’an text.” Reynolds explains that the lower script of the Sana'a palimpsest ”has so many variants that one might imagine it is a vestige of an ancient version that somehow survived Uthman’s burning of all versions of the Qur’an except his own.” He concludes this finding is problematic because the Sana'a variants ”do not match the variants reported in medieval literature for those codices kept by companions” of Muhammad. Furthermore, Reynolds affirms the ”Sanaa manuscript... is almost certainly the most ancient Qur’an manuscript [and] contains a surprising number of variants, including completely different words.” Reynolds concludes that the Sana'a manuscript is ”our most ancient manuscript of the Qur’an [and] does not agree with the standard text read around the world today.”[27] However with the radiocarbon-dating of the Birmingham Quran manuscript to before the year 645 with a 95.4% accuracy, the latter is believed to be older then the Sana'a manuscript, and is seen as the oldest Quran manuscript.[28] Moreso, the discovery of a Quran manuscript by the University of Tübingen in 2014 also proved to date from the early second half of the 7th century.[29] A more recent study of one of the most ancient Quran manuscripts by François Déroche was the Codex Parisino-petropolitanus, containing 46% of the text of the Quran,[30] dated to the early second half of the 7th century,[31] from around the same as the Sana'a manuscript.