Does the Quran Support Domestic Abuse? Verse

In our series, controversial issues related to women, we’ll explore this topic further. Does the Quran support domestic abuse? Do we need to rethink this issue from an Islamic lens? We sit down and talk to Dr. Shabir Ally to learn more.
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[@AKHISOUFYANBEATS]

But again in the Quran it says: "And live with them (the woman) in kindness" (4:19).

[@Vixen743]

AKHI SOUFYAN BEATS dude no just no~ If your preacher can’t explain the religion and just a couple words like the Jewish and Christian religion can then it’s not only flawed but it’s fraud

[@Vixen743]

A Soul I Rely on books and the stuff that I read and the Muslim culture is an absolute no just no

[@ibby7382]

***VIXEN *** Christians can’t even explain the doctrine of the trinity 😂

[@Lifelearne]

@@Vixen743 you say Jewish and Christian religion. Obviously they both can't be true as the true religion 😑

[@corilou5273]

But since it came after 4:19, doesn't 4:34 abrogate 4:19?

[@nodaplforever3177]

The Quran is often misunderstood and misinterpreted by some Muslims and Non-Muslim and many verses are misquoted. No matter what was done against you, if you forgive and leave those affairs to Allah (SWT), it is better for you and Allah (SWT) will reward you, don't worry! It is easy to hurt someone, but it is far better to love and follow the guidance of Allah (SWT) and all his Prophets (PBUT), and his last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). In the Quran, Allah (SWT) teaches love and not hate. The same goes for Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) teachings. Thank you Dr. Shabir Ally for your explanation filled with wisdom.

[@davidtheophillus9832]

@nodapl forever: your comment fits more with the teachings of Jesus Christ than with the teachings of Allah or Mohammed.Mohammed practised stonning of adulterous women; Jesus Christ in the Gospels showed it was "far better to forgive and to show love", to such a person caught up in this sin.

[@medzo8193]

David Theophillus I guess you are living in your own world then

[@AttRandyReynolds]

I'm not sure how Allah is supposed to guide me when his book can be interpreted in so many ways. What I need is Allah to tell me verse-by-verse which translations, if any, I should follow.

[@medzo8193]

Chicago Shawn It's not the interpretation, its the language. If you want the understand the quran correctly, you'd need to learn arabic.

[@AttRandyReynolds]

+Medzo So if I were to learn Arabic, then there is only one interpretation? How come there are a number of different interpretations of the translated version if it becomes crystal clear when read in Arabic.

[@thesuperfreedman]

God I really hate the comment sections on these videos, they’re never informant and usually just negative and make u disgusted by people’s ignorance.

[@quintuslentulus6183]

@budaba khaka Why translators choose to translate it as "beat them" if that's not what the verse says in context? Are you saying your own Muslim translators are wrong about this verse but you are right? I can show you dozens more verses that subjegate women from hadith and Quran, are they all falsely translated?

[@quintuslentulus6183]

@@hybmnzz2658 Please demonstrate how you should beat your wife lightly. I'm curious to see how that looks like?

[@MobaCry]

Yes, I am disgusted by your ignorance and how blindly you believe this man.

[@quintuslentulus6183]

@A N In this verse Jesus pronounces judgment on a woman identified as Jezebel, and her followers. Despite being offered opportunity to repent (Revelation 2:21), this woman was still tempting Christians towards sexual sins and idolatry (Revelation 2:20). Despite this mercy, Jesus will not let her wicked activity go unchecked. He will put a stop to the depraved influence she held over the church. What is the issue here??? According to Christianity Jesus is God who will Judge the world; 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad Acts 17:31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

[@quintuslentulus6183]

@A N Issues like this and many others should not be presented as binding towards Christians , since we are not bind by the Old testament, but with the New Covenant with Jesus. You can raise this issue with Jews, since they still follow Torah. If you can find something like this coming from Jesus in the New testament then I can discuss that. But you won't find any form of violence from Jesus, yet same cannot be said for Muhammad.

[@SoundManStudio]

Context is a good thing to observe.. that was enlightening Dr. Ally thank you.

[@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk]

When propaganda is enlightening

[@abdulrahmanalenezi6068]

LAteen irony

[@nikhilg1927]

Where is there one reference?? Where women can beat then untrusted husband?? One reference?? 🙌🤦🤦 He's just doing the strawman argument ! Going round n round the topic

[@touchofchristministries811]

Put strike in context

[@waymilky442]

A woman can directly divorce a man who doesn't provide for her or is unfaithful.

[@babeena_gt_3645]

If my husband even so much attempt to raise a hand at me I will change , he will not wake from his sleep

[@Vixen743]

Mariam Khan HAHAHAHAHA WOW 😮 LETS CALL THAT AN HONOR KILLING SHALL WE? Women get that all the time! If the Quran doesn’t promote spousal abuse than he is technically DISHONORING HIS FAMILY! Punishable by death by honor killing- right??

[@lancelotrozario5749]

Verse 4:34 is crystal clear in what is says. DO we need explanations to lessen it's severity?

[@jonjeskie5234]

"They" need to (Muslims)

[@rawan3249]

because you’re reading it in english. in arabic it’s like a metaphor.

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@rawan3249 this is false. You need to read the whole verse. If you start claiming the Quran is "metaphoric" then you have to start questioning the legitimacy of all other verses as well. The word used translates to "strike" or "beat".

[@rawan3249]

@@jonjeskie5234 you clearly don’t know arabic. translations are translated literally.

[@rawan3249]

in the Quran, making them inaccurate

[@miserablecuss3744]

I really appreciate the conversational style of these videos and the quality of questions asked by the Sister. Thank you all for your time and effort.

[@PowerKhan95]

why do so many translations still use the word husbands then? wives are also used. Maybe it's time for a better translation?

[@mohamednoor8585]

PowerKhan95 It's because they can't interprate the Qur'an properly and love to innovate things which the Qur'an doesn't specify of . That's what's wrong with translations people can change the interpretation but luckily we Muslims have the original Qur'an in Arabic thus we have to read the Qur'an in Arabic to get the original meaning !!!!!

[@hamzayounis4085]

this isnt going to change the major views right now, we can hope it will, there are alot of problems right now and we need to answer as a united ummah

[@zachwebster7048]

Maybe it's time for a better translation? You are going to re-write the word of Allah? That's a dangerous proposition. At what point do we just acknowledge that this is fake?

[@Tightness8]

@@mohamednoor8585 all traditional/classical tafseer and madhabs have been in agreement that this verse gives men the right to physically discipline their wives.

[@mr.kaplan7840]

Mohamed Noor exactly it’s better if you learn Arabic, arabic is such a complexed language

[@Mryungc88]

i dont understand why the Quran would need specificity on it saying “Husbands” & “wives” even when you take out husband & wife isn’t it speaking “in general” ?? like regardless of if it says husband or doesnt, it says women.

[@mitigamespro8757]

I mean when homosexuality exists they can’t really think well.

[@cryinglightning2363]

But prostitutes don't become prostitutes because they like it, they become prostitutes because they need to. Why would we punish them with house arrest or corporal punishment, instead of helping them meaningfully? The clients are those who should be punished for taking advantage of poor vulnerable women.

[@cryinglightning2363]

@@myNameIsNot- what do you mean?

[@nunyabusiness8498]

It’s fallacious to say a woman, becoming a prostitute on her own accord does that because they can do nothing else

[@3702251a]

Look into Mutah marriage

[@lastenemy5862]

i saw a person writing a comment below a book of the seerah of our prohet muhammad saw and he had no knowlegde about this verse like me so i checked the sura and verse 34 and was very disappointed at the beginning too so i started researching and found your video - thank you very much for the explanation and may Allah swa be with you

[@wanfarahwanzainuddin467]

Learned something new today

[@jack3400]

It "if you fear dissencion between the two send an arbitrator". This clearly shows that the only time you send an arbitrator is in times when there is a wrong judgement. (Example; when a man beats an "innocent" wife)

[@dollop6213]

I feel so sorry for Muslim women

[@humzanafees9348]

Muslim women are doing far better than western women. They are provided for, protected for, and are well taken care of ❤

[@user731akdj]

So why are they trying to migrate to the Western countries? we should send all the muslim women in the Western countries back to the islamic countries if they're sooo happy.

[@nasreensaher]

'Beat their wives'....!????? Honestly....!? Justify this in modern day and age!

[@nasreensaher]

@ja ka R u a wife beater!...In this day and age only an illiterate Man shall beat his Wife...The Courts r open...!

[@yellowmellow9265]

@@nasreensaher what you mean by modern what is your morality ?

[@user-mo6rw4pd6w]

@@xilikepiex It is not a decision made by few people or singular norms but the people who actually outreach these verses and extracts from Quran and justify their actions through believing in a particular religion.

[@SM-sc5ku]

@@nasreensaher That means our morals are better than the ones in the quran, I absolutely agree!

[@touchofchristministries811]

Right he’s trying to defend satan telling people that it was normal to beat women it IS NEVER NORMAL TO BEAT YOUR wife. The Bible says husbands Love your wife as Christ Loves the church and gave himself for it Ephesians 5:25

[@metropolishunter7078]

Wow! You explained it very well Dr. Shabir Ally. Thanks for the hard work and thorough explanation. This verse really haunted me for so many years and I was always afraid of being asked a question on this part, especially by haters of Islam, but now you've explained it very beautifully. Really, really appreciate you. Thank you very much!

[@user-wj4et6gh5n]

No he didn't. Even the interviewee didn't get an answer. He danced around the topic 🤣

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

@@user-wj4et6gh5n he did give an answer, he just gave it with nuance. it’s a long answer which requires patience but, by this virtue, is strong

[@PeaceToAll-sl1db]

allah said man can beat his wife - that is enough - allah made women the property of the man - stop questioning allah

[@nikhilg1927]

Where is there one reference?? Where women can beat then untrusted husband?? One reference?? 🙌🤦🤦 He's just doing the strawman argument ! Going round n round the topic

[@PeaceToAll-sl1db]

@@nikhilg1927 allah said women are property of the man. they can never hit a man. allah knows best

[@mohamednoor8585]

May Allah grant Dr Shabbir Ali the greatest paradise and grant him long life he is the most humble of the Muslim scholars and can interprate the Qur'an and the verses logically unlike these extremist scholars with Thier ignorant claims !!

[@criminozs]

Dr. Shabbir didn't make sense at all.

[@magdalenamcclarty3150]

I've watched about 10 videos on this very topic and every single video has different interpretation regarding this verse.

[@alyzak.8997]

@Aman Jha And what is there true opinion? Do tell.

[@seher7280]

@Aman Jha you're a jahil because you're associating taqiyah with sunnis while it's actually a shia thing.

[@alialmasheni7987]

I want to ask shabir ally about the ayah which says that Allah throne was on the water?

[@hasanshirazi9535]

There was “Water” before the Creation of Universe: Allah says in the Quran: “And He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water, that He might try you, which of you is the best in deeds” [Hood 11:7]. Some of the people of Yemen asked the Prophet (saws) this and said: We have come to you to ask you about this matter. He said: “There was Allah, and there was nothing else besides Him, and His Throne was over the water. He wrote all things in the Book and He created the heavens and the earth.” Al-Bukhaari (2953) Hence, before creation of the universe we know that Allah had created the Throne (which is his biggest creation) and there was “الماء” which has been translated as “water”. “الماء” has several meaning i.e. water, liquid, fluid, juice (see Hans Wehr dictionary). Hence, what can be interpreted from this ayah is that there was some sort of “Primordial Fluid” prior to the creation of the universe. This might refer to the “Quark-Gluon soup” which is also a liquid like water with very low viscosity and is made up of the fundamental particles. This “soup” is thought to have been the source from which all energy and matter of the universe originated. You can read my detailed answer regarding creation of the Universe here: www.quora.com/How-long-did-it-take-Allah-to-create-the-Universe-and-the-Earth/answer/Syed-Hasan-Shirazi

[@ontariostreets4470]

@@hasanshirazi9535 what's your take on dr shabir answer to the question ?satisfactory enough ??

[@alialmasheni7987]

@david mitchell the water is a above the seven heavens not on earth, there is great water over the seven heavens which is unimaginable large and the throne of Allah is on it, and the throne of Allah is the largest creation that Allah created

[@alialmasheni7987]

@david mitchell this is a hadith, so it could be fabricated

[@Zaidkhan-fo7cc]

throne of ALLAH is above al 7 sky which are in spherical shape so all Galaxy milky way is under 1sky and 1 sky is under 2nd one like one ball in garden so according to this all the things earth sun watar moon earth rotation all are under the throne of ALLAH . Include rise of sun and set of sun which means rotation of earth in today simple words, are under the THRONE OF ALLAH

[@Sunsrise7]

how did he go from wife to sex out of marriage to prostitution yet just sails over the transgression of the husband and not giving any specific verse...and why "especially" talking about the wives "transgression" when in the lived experience its men/husbands who are transgressing more. 2 wrongs don't make a right so he uses the stoning in another religion to soften the shocking unacceptable verse. listen up men do you have daughters? why have wives been signed out?!

[@Donny.Strength]

this surah also mentions the transgression of men

[@marjoleinvangeffen-kamp8951]

This is a refreshing view on the standard explanation, djazakAllahu khairan

[@Frank-cb2zo]

I might have respected you as a scholar but this explanation is the most deceptive way of twisting the topic. Awesome mental gymnastics. I think Muslim scholars don’t want to let the truth be exposed. Sir shameful act.

[@babeena_gt_3645]

Oh shut up! There is more domestic abuse in the bible and Torah then in the Quran. Why dont you do the research . Basically times change and although Allas words do not change humans do as we were given free will. Generations have improved over time and women are rising up and killing husbands who attempt to beat them now .

[@thehonesttruth415]

@@babeena_gt_3645 so basically, youre saying as long as there is bad in another religion that justifies yours. such a silly answer. also you said allahs words do not change, but we have improved. so basically we left allah behind in the old century. we should have left the quran also with mohamad and the jewish woman that gave him a delicious meal.

[@thehonesttruth415]

@@humeyra8889 "allahs word" entails you can beat your wife. hat is what this video is about. not how people live their life or LGBT . stick to the topic.

[@livetochange974]

@@humeyra8889 typical brainwashed muslim

[@specialagentorange4329]

Babeena, who says the poster was a Christian? By the way, the topic is about Islam not Christianity

[@DropYoutube]

What was that at 2:27 and did what he say right before it have anything to do with it?

[@generaldash1076]

@budaba khaka yes absolutely correct brother

[@darrenjamesburnside]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[@christislord7003]

So according to shabir you can still beat the woman providing the judge condemns him. Then you still beat the woman not the man.

[@dayibabdi781]

Did he say that 😔😔😔

[@suzy4503]

If the woman is wrong then will you beat man? Use your common sense. And if both are wrong (fornication wiz haram) then both are equally punished.

[@rostamferdowsi2853]

I like the reform attempt and hope it continues but it's kind of sophomoric to think that for 1400 years all Muslim scholars and communities got the understanding of this verse wrong but this one man in Canada (who would ridicule such teachings) got it right. It's better to admit what the Quran is teaching (to physically discipline wives if need be) and say that we are better than that teaching so we'll reinterpret this verse. All and all I'm happy that Islam is starting to reform. It's about time.

[@seconic1639]

With all due respect, why do you think or want to think that this constitute reform? Scholarly exchange has been norm within Islamic tradition for centeries, this is noting new, actaully, it's following the tradition.

[@rostamferdowsi2853]

There is a difference between exchange of theological beliefs and reforming theological beliefs. Ally is not exchanging but reforming. An exchange is you beat your wife, yes but you don't hit her in the face and another saying no you can hit her in the fact as long as you don't leave a mark. A reform is to say you don't hit her at all even if for 1400 years hitting her has been the norm understanding.

[@teetee6366]

Rostam Ferdowsi I think your definition of an exchange here is borne out of the fact that you're stuck on the 1400 years old interpretation of that verse. You seem to think that the interpretation must be correct for the simple reason that it's been around for over 1400 years, and as such an exchange should necessarily involve couching such interpretation with stipulations and cautions. The reality is that the number of years that an idea or an understanding has been around for really doesn't make it true or close to truth at all. We've had instances where ideas held as truth even for over 1500 years turned out to be completely wrong. So, I think it is actually "anti-exchange" to dismiss a fresh perspective just for the simple reason that a contrary perspective has been around for a thousand and more years. There are chances that both the 1400 years old interpretation and Dr. Ally's modern interpretation are all wrong, but we must still allow for that chance in modern time. I think what we should focus on (instead of counting the number of years an idea has survived as justification for its truth) is to allow for diverse interpretations and then adopt the most consistent one by considering their explanatory scope and power, that way we will really be allowing for exchange or reform (it doesn't matter which name we call it).

[@hamzayounis4085]

@@teetee6366 i dont think he likes this

[@Topofthetopapex]

Why would u reform something fckd up which is not the word of god for your own peace of mind ? I mean are u ok??

[@myboguslife311]

Guys...my brothers and sisters...this video needs to be shared...I have encountered a non muslim guy..who mis understood this verse...he is a type of guy who never reads quran..only sees some posts and talks..kind of a little learning guy...we need to share this as much as possible so that this issue can never be heard again...

[@ex-trinitarian5196]

Beating means beating, no excuses.

[@Loveontop333]

But still this question is still haunting me! Why even put to touch her in any kind of way. And that would be for all generations not only the old… this the one thing I can’t swallow and makes me question…. Because I don’t feel like God belittles the woman to the point that if she doesn’t listen to him, he can beat her as the last solution…. I just don’t feel it comes from God Almighty!

[@Yah4L]

It’s from hubal the pagan moon god of islam

[@Diogenes95737]

@@Yah4L what are the words of a pagan moon god doing in the Quran?

[@Yah4L]

@@Diogenes95737 Al= Aramic word which mean god, Lah, word in Arabic which mean “moon”

[@mrdon691]

I never understand what Dr Shabir Ally says

[@arundabholkar4922]

Is there anything debatable in the Quran, Dr. Shabir Ally?

[@ahmadhussain0002]

There are so many interpretation and most of the verse of the quran is left so opaque so that Islamic scholar of different ages can reinterpret it and match with morality of their time...

[@robd8457]

Well said and completely true

[@kingcold9892]

Also (even though this doesnt really apply to Islam) since when is morally right gonna tell you what is the true religion It's not like a "morally right" religion means it's also correct aswell as of a "morally wrong" religion doesnt mean its incorrect

[@ashley_brown6106]

It's not even morally wrong tbh. It just dissagrees with our modern morals. Morality is set by God, not humans.

[@kingcold9892]

@@ashley_brown6106 yh definitely

[@thehourglassfan3515]

May Allah reward and bless Shabbir Ally, the best scholar ever!

[@infinightsky]

I’m an atheist but I can’t deny his intellect and clarity; he’s great to listen to!

[@shizzle218]

This is a perfect example of confirmation bias. Why does it need such a huge song and dance interpretation and putting our own meaning so it doesn’t sound as bad. If there are clear instructions in the Quran why does it need a million interpretations like my English lit teacher 😂

[@user-nk8hg9hi4j]

cuz not everybody understand arabic

[@shizzle218]

@@user-nk8hg9hi4j so why are there so many translations- surely there should only be one straight from Arabic to English

[@Laittth]

@@shizzle218 no there isn't. that's impossible with natural languages.

[@shizzle218]

@@Laittth so you admit that the meaning can change if interpreted?

[@dollop6213]

A warning, house arrest and then corporal punishment if the problem persists. Notice how he glossed over the women being the man's property. This is the definition of domestic abuse.

[@user-ls6jo6wm3i]

Why is there so much domestic violence in Islamic countries

[@haryadidris9511]

they are doing against what the quran says, because they are following false hadiths

[@aasthamehta1149]

But why has a woman listen to her husband? Where do they talk about what should the woman do when the husband doesn't listen to her?

[@j86485]

It talks about divorce too for women if the man doesn't do his role as a man. The man is the head of the family so the final decision is his when it comes to relationship and family matters. But he can still listen to her and take her advice which doesn't take away from his leadership. This also aligns with biology and psychology of how the average woman wants to be submissive to her man and want him to lead the relationship, and the average man wants to be dominant over his woman. That is what masculinity and femininity is

[@latinman9791]

When a man has to use more then 10 words to explain a religious flaw this,races a red flag

[@Vixen743]

Couldn’t agree more huge 🚩 red flag!!

[@Mayochup191]

You can explain religious laws in less than 10 words? This man is a scholar going into depth to explain a verse. You’re illiterate mind can’t comprehend more than 10 words can it lol

[@zain6008]

Only very simple(usually useless things) can be explained in less than 10 words.

[@latinman9791]

Jesus said that if any be without sin cast the first stone, he was a man of few words he had his message was loud and clear so I rest my case LOL

[@zain6008]

@@latinman9791 hmm, barbaric stoning can be explained in less than 10 wars? My surprise

[@danny_rh]

Love to see secular morals force religions to reinterpret their holy books for the better.

[@rohanrajkankipati6475]

very useful to me

[@pa21thebeast]

This is rubbish. How can a police force, like he’s implying, refuse to share a bed. It’s illogical. The verse is very straightforward in its translation.

[@theguyver4934]

But is it true in the arabic it says to hit their wives

[@selima4955]

The right translation of اضربوهن is NOT "beat" them. The verb (feel free to check Arabic dictionaries) actually means to stay away (outside of the marital home). So the actions are recommended in a gradual order.

[@shobhitgupta56]

So the people who are not translating it correctly are changing the words of God. Will they rot in hell for eternity 🤔

[@houseplant7441]

So the translators of the Quran mistranslated it? Doesn’t that mean everybody who is Muslim yet doesn’t read/speak Arabic is not a true Muslim because they are misinformed

[@nikhilg1927]

@@houseplant7441 they all will interpret language according to their profit 😂😂😂 cunning foxes

[@houseplant7441]

@@nikhilg1927 exactly, they are just invalidating all Muslims who don’t speak Arabic . And they are saying that God is exclusive to Arabic speakers only. And that their own people mistranslated the Quran which means it’s not a trusted and reliable source.

[@touchofchristministries811]

God doesn’t just only speak Arabic

[@nailanoorein2086]

This verse has been misunderstood....but what now about all those women for 1400 years who suffered because of misinterpretation?

[@xxXsoundtrackerXxx]

Great video. I have a question: What does the Quran and hadith say about music? There are lots of mixed opinions about this. According to Dr. Shabir is music allowed in Islam? If yes then where should we draw the line between good verses bad music?

[@maxmudxareed1345]

ALTHOUGH shabir ally is a good scholar i warn you against accepting some of his views on hadith music is haram and try your best to came out of it if your in it as i did ,just try don't hate or blame yourself inshaallah you will win

[@alinasir1834]

Thatguy23 spiritual music with duff is not haram

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@TheSavagedoll uP

[@TheAdoonAlle]

Look at the all women abusers at the comment section getting so furious when Dr. Shabir explained and speak about the real intention of those ayah That address the issues.

[@emrahkarakus6065]

"Men shall carefully protect and maintain women because Allah has granted each (party) some superior characteristics over the other (party), and because they (men) spend out of their possessions (to maintain their families). Thus righteous women are obedient (to Allah) and guard themselves in the absence of witnesses in return for Allah’s protection. As for women whose nushooz/leaving you fear, give them advice/say kind words to them, and leave them alone in the bed, and darb them/let them dwell (there). Then if they willingly obey/listen to you, do not seek another way against them. Allah is Exalted, Great.” (an-Nisā 4:34)” “(O believers!) If you fear a split between the spouses, send an arbitrator from his family and an arbitrator from her family. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Allah is all-knowing and He is all-aware about the true nature of everything.” (An-Nisā 4:35)

[@norvinwest7459]

SubhanAllah, which translation is this?

[@cynically_insane]

@@norvinwest7459still waiting

[@timjansen7694]

So, apparently we have a new wildly different English interpretation. It isn't about husbands anymore. And the thing about "forsake them in bed", I guess that has to be thrown out altogether because in this new interpretation that phrase would not make any sense. That was to apply to a husband-and-wife relationship. It can't be about men in general because that would mean that men are allowed to beat women. So the only way to get out of this mess with any dignity is to proclaim that it is about the government authorities striking tainted women. There has been a whole lot of Muslim women in general, and Muslim wives in particular who needed this interpretation to begin 1300 years ago.

[@elmahdisidate7139]

exactly ! pathetic is how they try to justifie the "innocence" of the quran

[@brendantannam499]

This troubled me from the beginning of the interview. I wanted the professor to be correct but his interpretation of 'refuse to share their beds' made no sense in the context of the surah. I realise there are nuances in Arabic but how could 'refuse to share their beds' convert into 'restrict them to their homes'? I think it would have been beteer to emphasise the lightness of the hit to the woman in light (excuse the pun) of the word used and also the example given in Surah 38:44. This would have been a great improvement in the lives of 7th century Arabic women. But enlightened laws that are out-dated need to be changed and I was glad to see the professor saw it that way.

[@AsifMehedi]

Also, why does the all-powerful god fail so miserably at communicating what he "really" means? I'm not asking for a lot. Just imagine if he had the communication skills of an average human. So much misinterpretation and so much suffering would not have occurred.

[@timjansen7694]

+A M There are countless perfectly logical, completely rational reasons to question whether Muhammad was a real prophet, and if the Quran is the real word of God, and Islam is the one true religion. That is why there has always been the belief that if you do question such things, it might well be said by religious people that your mind has been taken by Satan. And of course that is also the reason why apostasy is seen as a sin almost as bad as murder. There is a video by Muslim spiritual adviser Nouman Ali Khan where he gives strict instructions not to think about the irrational aspects of Islam and the Quran. Ironically, I have been told by more than one Muslim that one of the tenets of Islam is to think freely. No such tenets actually exists, quite the contrary.

[@AsifMehedi]

Tim Jansen, Indeed. Interestingly, the same Nouman says Islam encourages critical thinking (LOL) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp6sqqqMrryaoqc

[@mohammedkadir7223]

Good clarification, may Allah bless you two

[@AKeyearea8]

Dr. Shabir Ali was spot on this one. I agree

[@mohamednoor8585]

Michael .Stott He's better than these dumb extremist scholars that misenterprate the Qur'an differently and change the true meanings of the verses . to back up Thier extremist views !!!!!

[@troy5010]

How does the "forsake them in bed" part of the translation make sense with Shabir's interpretation?

[@criminozs]

@@mohamednoor8585 Lmao

[@derekosgood3230]

@david mitchell let me guess you're Christian?

[@derekosgood3230]

@david mitchell lol right

[@RumbleFish69]

These two can say whatever they like. Seems pretty clear to me, and most people! Verse: 4:34 “Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”

[@ashley_brown6106]

Yes exactly and I see nothing wrong with that as long as the man doesn't cause any physical harm to his wife. No one will be traumatized from a slap come on people🤣🤣🤣

[@cosmo588]

@@ashley_brown6106 troll

[@nyashamahleko7007]

​@@ashley_brown6106 some slap do kill

[@teekumari9547]

That word 'nushuus' Dr. Shabir Ally mentions (6.12s) before he conveniently distracts the young lady from it by pointing out it sounds like "new shoes" (because thats so on topic right?) means rebellion. The section of text being referenced here starts with "Good wives obey their husbands because God has put one above the other"....Another translation for this word 'nushuus' is arrogance. The Quran, in my perspective, is clearly communicating to men that their wives are to submit to the wills of their husbands and do as instructed...and that the justification for this is because God says it. Furthermore, it is also saying that when a wife is not being good aka rebellious aka not obedient then a man should use physical force to discipline her. What this man has said in reference to the physical abuse part is that because the times were different it was okay back then. Really? An act of assault coming from either man or woman would be wrong today or wrong if I read about it in a history book from 300,000 years ago. That takes no qualification or accolade to understand. I would not try to convince someone that once upon a time God somehow gave these instructions for any reason. Are we saying God's opinions have also changed with the times too? If so, this mans idea of God is very different from mine. The fact remains that anyone who believes that God intended for a verse instructing men to physically discipline women to be written into the one and only book (the Hadiths are what people claim the Prophet said...they aren't concrete at all and should not be used to support an argument) he gave to all of mankind for all time should ask themselves what their idea of God is. God to me is the Most High - meaning the greatest in all things: the most compassionate, the most knowledgeable et cetera. Now I do not claim to be anywhere near that level of righteousness however, if someone showed me this verse before it was released to the public it would be very clear to me the disastrous and ugly implications that would stem from releasing it. Are you implying God would not have been able to do the same sample analysis? You cannot convince me God has the nature of man which is imperfect and changeable. We change because as humans we don't know everything. God does, that is why the instructions shouldn't need to change or somehow be counted as invalid because a certain amount of time has passed. A lie told today will be a lie tomorrow and in 20 years. Wrong was wrong then and is wrong now, even if everyone alive didn't know any better - God would have. If you think this came from God I must accept you think of God as a tyrannical patriarchal dictator.

[@SM-sc5ku]

You make so much more sense than Shabir Ally.

[@saliadar]

Same verse mentions do not share their beds so its clearly addressing the husbands not the "arbtitrators"

[@sudheerkaneti203]

i just came here to read the comments😅😅

[@fidousshamim2707]

Arabic is a very sensitive language. Even a minor change in a word which is totally ignorable by a non Arabic , make so much difference in meaning . Not all the translators have same intelligence. Hence the translations vary from one person's to another. This should not be called to be wrong totally, but a better or much better approach.

[@crestfire8008]

A very inefficient language to reveal the truth of God

[@fidousshamim2707]

@@crestfire8008 it's the most efficient language..... Best language to reveal what Allah has said

[@crestfire8008]

@@fidousshamim2707 can you objectively prove it's the "most efficient" language? Your emotional claim doesn't make it the most efficient language. In truth it's the most messy and convoluted language right after mandarin language. It's not effective and ambiguous. More efficient language is English

[@nikhilg1927]

Okay how do you explain it then !! If all interpretation is different who decides which is correct

[@fidousshamim2707]

@@crestfire8008 Well for me my belief is enough but Islam is a religion where belief and proofs go side by side . So I can obviously " objectively prove " this. But doing it by typing so much is quite difficult. There are many videos already you can get a proof but let's have an example. There can be more but I know two words for heart in Arabic it's "qalb" and " fawad". Qalb is used when when heart is in normal form but fawad is used when heart is overwhelmed by some emotions. So with lesser words more topics can be covered in Arabic. There are many many such examples which proves that this is the best language for quran.but it's difficult to type that much. There must be a modification in your statement. and if will think deeply about it you will definitely agree with me Arabic is not difficult, messy or convoluted . It's most detailed and transparent language. May be because of it's details it seems difficult. But I don't think there can exist any language more transparent than Arabic, so far I know and I have heard and researed.

[@HarshManOfficial]

I like your point of viewing your book(holy) in a positive way. (Though it is not)

[@kumaisobele]

I think the answer was in the first 50 seconds

[@DropYoutube]

I was waiting for him to say "oh screw it" and start hitting her.

[@kleezer1]

Damn you were right lmao

[@Anna-cx4tg]

@@DropKZbin 😂😂😂

[@BlondsPablo]

first 53 seconds

[@gilbertotejeda7836]

Arab women are heroic. They really deserve heaven.

[@125discipline2]

everyone believe what they 'want' to believe.

[@Bdpjev]

What about the hadith where in relationship to this verse the Rasool said that if you must hit them the strike must be equal to that of a baby? Meaning it must be extremely light. The mans claim that this verse does not denote husbands would be false. Clearly the correct meaning must be sought after. If a women get me upset to the point I want to hit her I'd rather get a divorce lifes too short for the drama

[@johnnyenglish1264]

I don't even understand this. The verse doesn't say anything about prostitution.

[@SillyTubereal]

Listen my fellow muslims, even if it does say hit/beat, why are we Muslims embarrassed by it? If Allah allowed to strike your rebellious, cheating wife as a last resort, why are we ashamed of it? Are we choosing to follow people over Allah? We are hiding the word of Allah to please people? What happened to the idea of this life being a "test"? Let people say whatever they want, truth is always ridiculed, the followers of truth have always had a hard time, just have patience.

[@brn3k812]

do you beat your wife?

[@SillyTubereal]

@@brn3k812 No, and I never will. Infact I don't even have a wife as I'm only 20 yet.

[@brn3k812]

@@SillyTubereal i beat my wife as this is allah's will. allah knows best

[@ADeeSHUPA]

uP

[@ericmanget4280]

This right here is why we'll never be anything more than slightly evolved apes -_-

[@ZelElz]

The truth is clear, when you are not biased. Thank You Dr. Ally, again.

[@criminozs]

Dr. Shabbir thank you for changing the meaning of the Quran

[@emperordavid2044]

I didn't understand what you answer doc

[@emperordavid2044]

@lol right OK, but any man that beats his wife regardless of the religion and circumstance is a terrible man , this is how I was raised.

[@emperordavid2044]

@lol I understand bro, but you know God created us to be holy and peaceful like him and not to be quick to anger or striking your beloved.

[@emperordavid2044]

@lol no I am Christian brother

[@ainaltair3217]

Don't understand why scholars assume that the woman in this verse relating to husband and wife relationship is assumed to be of a bad character. I understand if pre-Islamic arabs had free lifestyle, then in that case did all the husband's became pious while women were left behind in piety? That doesn't make sense. Where ever there are verses adressing men and women for dress code and piety, those verses are one after the other. In Some translations women are supposed to protect their husband's finances and if she disobeys then the actions follow. This is absurd as well. Men and women (husband and wife) are awliya for one another. One of the scholars pointed out that the word 'Qinatatun' means water container and of course root word daraba has many other meanings, such as, walk away, cover etc. and in many other verses it means set forth, go forth, they travelled.

[@ralphcravey4904]

If Quran 4:34 is talking about a man "striking" his wife, it would have to be done in love and mercy. In other words, a gentle tap. Domestic abuse is evil. And of His signs is this: He created for you helpmeets from yourselves that ye might find rest in them, and He ordained between you love and mercy. Lo! herein indeed are portents for folk who reflect. (Quran 30:21, Pickthall) A lot of people cherry-pick verses from the Quran without looking at everything else the Quran says and without looking at those cherry-picked verses in the context of the passage. Quran 4:34 is a frequently cherry-picked verse by those who are critics of your religion.

[@ViswaVirinchi]

Unless 30:21 says “Lol Jk” it doesn’t hold

[@mikewalters3048]

+Ralph Cravey Domestic abuse comes in many forms, including physical abuse verbal abuse, and some thing in between. What 4:34 is about is a man dominating a woman physically for purposes of humiliation. In the modern world, that is domestic abuse.

[@elisalopezdelacruz3563]

My question is how do you hit/ beat/ strike with love? Specially in middle of argument or disagreement “now, you not listening and I left the bedroom I am tired of the couch so come here I will beat you with love” any one put some sense in that

[@mikewalters3048]

+Elisa Lopez De la Cruz People hit loved ones all the time. It comes from a person who has lived a life of hitting and physical violence. To most people, hitting is totally off-limits to their nature. Then there is spousal abuse when there is no longer any love.

[@elisalopezdelacruz3563]

Mike Walters may be for you hit is great way to show love. But study shown that is really not. Like observations science. So no, violence can give you two things from a wife 1) she might stay but her heart will become as black as night with no star. 2) wife might hate Islam (if the ayatollah is use to hit her) look at those people who left Islam. Women left because they suffer abuse for years and thought (look for behavior therapy conditioning) that Islam is the blame for it. So divorce is not the only problem... is better not to hit her. And guys you never know the monster she can become (better let her be) Assalam!

[@alya.nasser]

You all in the comments will just never understand. “It is all equal for them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.” Qur’ān 36:10

[@exaviorhunt1532]

The Old Testament is the original Hebrew Bible, the sacred scriptures of the Jewish faith, written at different times between about 1200 and 165 BC. The Quran was written 609 AD.

[@talha8310]

Funny. All Islamic scholars and commentators so far have translated the word as hit. Suddenly after 1300 years of Islamic history people appear who say: No, the verse has been mistranslated the whole time, it says "leave them". Funny🤔

[@RealAryanGupta]

Right😂👍

[@Jaineye]

The prophet never beat his wives. Quranic translations are no substitute for Allah’s word period.

[@ViswaVirinchi]

Why follow the book if noone can translate it properly

[@CathyKitson]

Fanta Beretey Mohammad hit Aisha in the chest.

[@fizzabatool2490]

@@CathyKitson false

[@CathyKitson]

@@fizzabatool2490 It says so in the Hadith.

[@gamingwitheli5328]

So you're admitting that the quran was changed?

[@showme1493]

dr ally ...thank you for such an excellent example about the power of denial.

[@abdulrahmanalenezi6068]

Ironic considering scholars are experts and they study it their whole lives Where as you take things out of context for whatever you want and have never even touch the work and have never even touched

[@abdulrahmanalenezi6068]

The book

[@ericmanget4280]

@@abdulrahmanalenezi6068 Except that has been the agreed upon translation for 1400 years and only now when it's not considered moral does the translation change. You can see how ridiculous that is I hope.

[@abdulrahmanalenezi6068]

Eric Manget that is simply not true, Muhammed (‏صلى الله عليه وسلم) never hit his wives or used his hand to hurt anyone

[@ericmanget4280]

@@abdulrahmanalenezi6068 Even if it wasn't true that he was recorded to have struck/hit/pushed Aisha to the point of soreness in the Hadith, that doesn't change how that surah verse has been interpreted for 1400 years.

[@Dittp]

Correct me if i am wrong: what he is basically saying is that any idea which is unpalatable to modern sentiment is uncceptable and must be reinterpreted? If so he is simply a pragmatist. A muslim submits to Allah and his commandments and do not as a practice reinterpret laws to make people happy. I think Dr Shabir is taking a wrong turn!

[@coolfaaltu]

Isn’t Quran a Holy Book? How is it a law as the person is mentioning?

[@abdulrahman-uc8ll]

holy books are literally full of laws, since they come from a creator they are holy.

[@Samer.a.lebron]

Excuses and more excuses

[@mrabeeh]

Thanks a lot for this and putting everything into perspective... i have now realized that senseless interpretations of archaic doctrines can be created by the minute to suit one's agenda.. now i wonder how do we apologize to all the wives that were tortured by muslim men in the past 1400 years because the all perfect Quran verses were 'scattered' and were to be picked up individually and read in perspective 🤮

[@planitdesigns6192]

Its not only muslim men that abused their wives and children. If you look at the history of men who abuse their families .......or even woman who abused their children and husbands, you will realize that its not confined to muslims only.

[@fyali1632]

You have knowledge about this subject so please spread it

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@planitdesigns6192 but islam is supposed to be a moral compass. And the Quran is supposed to be the perfect word of God. So why would it suggest this?

[@planitdesigns6192]

@@jonjeskie5234 Quran and Islam is perfect. Muslims are not perfect. Infact no man is perfect. It's how well one uses the "moral compass"

[@Alwah16]

@@planitdesigns6192 so why does the perfect book tell the believers to strike their wives, stone sinners, Christians, Jews, homosexuals, adulterers and other non Muslims?

[@mindlessyoutubeuser6435]

7:01 He doesn't even know the verse he is talking about. Its 4 ; 34

[@vahidindonlic7012]

next verse .... omg

[@Samer.a.lebron]

So people, he talked about putting women on house arrest. So know I know that men are judges and law enforcement officers and can make orders for house arrest . @12:44

[@AmonsRealm]

He is taking about the context of state authority

[@thechallenge293]

This is the best explanation I think. Quran is usually translated literally and people can't just make a rule out of one verse. It is important to understand the context.

[@Alwah16]

Don't lie, he never answered the question but danced around it. He said there is no verse that says it is okay to strike your wife but then says the government has sanctions what what. Also, could you put it in Context where it is acceptable or okay to strike your wife as a man?

[@asifchowdhury8005]

Perhaps Dr. Shabbir should explain the verse linguistically as well. There are other interpretations for the word beat that are grammatically and definitionally correct such as 'have consensual intercourse with them', 'turn away from them', 'go along with them'. In addition, the hadith tells us that prophet Muhammad pbuh denounced physical and mental abuse when women came to him complaining about their abusive husbands.

[@MrEVAQ]

The verb ضرب used in Surah 4:34 means "to hit", and still to this day means "to hit" in various Arabic dialects.

[@MrEVAQ]

@@myNameIsNot- what?

[@MrEVAQ]

@@myNameIsNot- But "to hit" is the definition in dictionaries of fusHa, it's correct. I only added the fact about dialects as a sidenote to enforce the idea that it's correct.

[@Sadiq1282]

He speaks rationally and logically, but the question is should the Quraan be understood literally?? Going by Universal logic solves many problems. And rationale thinking is what all Religions prescribe.

[@konglee1518]

You are genius Dr. Shabir Ally. Thank you so much for clarifying this verse.

[@touchofchristministries811]

Strike means hit

[@commonsenseisntsocommon]

​@TouchOfChrist ministries Anyone with common sense knows the meaning of words changes based on context. Daraba has like 8 different meanings based on how it's used in the Quran alone. Even in English strike means a lot of different things (labour strike, strike (discover) oil, strike (cross out) a name from a list, etc...)

[@footballartistn7463]

Surah verse 4:34 does start off by asserting the dominance of a man over a women, then address men directly telling them how to assert their dominance by advising their women, forsaking them in bed, then beating if it persists. The next verse just says if someone from the outside observes something going on between them, then they could intervene in the way Dr. Shabir Ally tries to explain later on. Overall, Dr. did not do justice to this verse, it is very clear here that men are granted dominance over women which should not be the case. They both should have the same rights over each other. Not to mention that this contradicts certain aspects of the Qur'an which say men and women are equal.

[@1eV]

Do you even know Arabic? How did you come to this conclusion that Quran spoke about dominance? The word used in that verse "qawamuna" translates to "protectors", "guardians" who guard them from any kind of harm.

[@footballartistn7463]

@@1eV No sir I do not know arabic. You are also completely right in that it uses the word qawammuna (protector/guardian). Any man should defend their wife from harm as much as possible of course because they are mostly likely physically stronger. I use dominance here because it shows that the husband/wife relationship has a hierarchy, and the husband has been given the right to admonish his wife. This clearly means the man has a dominant role. You can protect someone and not harm them yourself. Especially here since these are husband/wife who should be able to talk to each other on equal footing. Hope that clarifies it.

[@1eV]

@@footballartistn7463 Men have been given apparently the "upper hand" in some cases and then there are places where the women get the upper hand. Because the relationship of men and women is based on equity not equality. Men and women are very different from the physical and psychological perspective. So equity is more appropriate than equality. In this particular case, men have to warn, advise the women if he has the fear of her uprising. Meaning, she disobeys Allah openly, does adultery etc, which are grave crimes in Islam. These verses address the most extreme of situations. It's not a general green light for men to beat up their wives. Neither did the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) do this or teach the companions to beat up their wives. It's the opposite actually. He said never to hit on the face, or leave any mark on the skin, not to injure her badly and so on if there is no other way. You have to look at his life. He never beat his wives in his entire life even if they were being mean to him.

[@footballartistn7463]

@@1eV Yeah I understand your equity over equality argument, but humans are more than just their biological makeups. Our ability to think and reason with one another is what sets us apart from the typical animal. The equity over equality argument would work here if we couldn't understand one another and were solely acting on instincts/emotions like most animals. Beating being granted here is unecessary due to the circumstances of the relationship in that they're partners. It just seems as thougg because the husband is likely more powerful, he has the right to enforce the law. If women were biologically stronger than men it would've been reverse. I'm not sure where it mentions specific cases because anyone can justify hitting for whatever reason they see fit. Therefore this verse is very problematic. In regards to the prophet not hitting his wives, it's true there are no reports but he still instructs his followers of how to practice it. In fact there's a hadith that says something along the lines of if you hit your wife like you hit your slave then don't sleep with them that night. I can't quote it right now as I don't have it in front of me but I'm sure you can find it. This hadith implies a man can still hit his wife like he hits his slaves but just not sleep with her that night. I'm not sure how a person is supposed to hit his slave but judging by this hadith it doesn't sound very nice.

[@safin3389]

@@footballartistn7463 but the woman has the right to immediately divorce instead of going through all of this and enduring it- they can leave way easier. Tafriq/Faskh is when the husband doesnt have a say in the divorce, because the wife has been abused or cheated on. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aojFdqiiaNybhck this video helps a lot.

[@abrarabushaikh]

Aisha ur awesome

[@abrarabushaikh]

TheMaster100 thats true

[@rohangangar6210]

halal way of flirting?

[@karlhans4116]

@@rohangangar6210 😂

[@noor1991hb]

Love you guys!

[@sghazi]

Hard to resolve that "وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ" is for state not for the husband 🙂. Most well known and accepted meaning of وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ is "leave them in their beds". It's very clear that these suggestions are not for the state, rather it's for the husband. Also, nushūzahunna is not necessarily for sexual misconduct, rather it could be for any rebellion that challenges the authority of men who has given the responsibility to protect and provide for the family. Allah knows best

[@4hm3dhm]

Regardless that the part on foresaking bed sharing and arbitration from their families being meaningless in your interpretation, do you really think that granting state authorities the exclusive right to beat women is better than their own husbands having that right exclusively? I would contend that of their husbands would definitely be more compassionate and patient than the government!

[@SaymaAmin]

It is not about what is better according to us or you, it is about what was actually said by Allah.

[@4hm3dhm]

@@SaymaAmin As you see scripture is extremely ambiguous and accepts numerous interpretations

[@waqaruddinansari8757]

Do not speak about past. Tell us clearly in black and white that Quran permits us or not.

[@edreyes9874]

In order for you to understand the present, u have to understand its past. Or itll lead to more misinterpretations

[@mhashim5643]

Life is not black and white to expect black and white answers. Life is complex

[@touchofchristministries811]

Amen bro

[@touchofchristministries811]

You cannot justify domestic violence.

[@johnnicol64]

Yes it does .

[@diyahgurlspeaktruth7420]

Subhan'Allah

[@paulaannstewartTHANKFUL2024]

Are you scared yet?

[@karate2252]

This guy is tailoring these verses to not turn people away from islam. most of islamic scholars would not agree with him. If if we agree this man . So it means that islam was practised and translated wrongly for hundered of years ????

[@theprince8079]

Karanbir dhaliwal truth is not democratic

[@karate2252]

@@theprince8079 what do you mean

[@mehmetyilmaz2493]

Islam has various sects regarding such laws okay wahabis salafis deobandis are more radical others not so much ismailis porbably the most libera among christanity each church has its won interpretation varying from cathlic to othrodox so why targeting islam

[@mehmetyilmaz2493]

The Bible says kill men, women, children and babies in 1 Samuel 15:3. Jesus has also promised to kill children of adultress women when he returns in Revelation 2:22-23

[@liveandserve568]

Mehmet Yilmaz Ur so deceived bro. The verse that u used were in TIME OF WAR. The Bible uses theses strong sentences to demonstrate Victory. Second, this was for the children of Israel and NOT meant to be APPLIED by CHRISTIANS. Everything in the Old Testament don’t even applie to Christians, THe Old Testament was for JEWS, JEWISH LAW. Ur so Brainwashed by Islam that u take these verses out of context that shows killing during WAR. Smh

[@akhil__dev]

I wonder how the creator wasn't able to spread the quran throughout the world and why he chose Arabic out of all languages.

[@ashley_brown6106]

He explains why He chose arabic INSIDE the quran. Maybe read it first and then you'll understand❤

[@ashley_brown6106]

He did spread it throughout the world lmfao😂 How did you come to the conclusion thay He didn't? I live in Greece and I'm reading the quran as we speak

[@akhil__dev]

@@ashley_brown6106 How though? I came to the conclusion because there are so many who people don't know about even the existence of Quran. Do you actually think every single person in this world knows about Quran? The so called powerful God could've given the same language for all the people. The powerful god could've given direct information without letting a single guy know about it.

[@not-a-daiyouth]

@@akhil__dev There is 7.7B People and There is 2.2 B Muslims why do you think There are some people Who don't know about Islam ?

[@akhil__dev]

@@not-a-daiyouth There are communities which live without even knowing there are other people on earth. They don't even know about our existence. How would they know about Islam?

[@sufiahmed100]

As Salaam Alaakum. Brother made sense, thank him for his explanation.

[@theguerrerofamily9699]

Wait, so imams or the leaders can “ignore them in bed” as well? How does that work?

[@safin3389]

just leaving their wife in intimacy for some time to cool the whole relation down, basically if you have a strong conviction that the wife is being unfaithful, only then you can stop refusing her in bed

[@roleplayinggamer795]

david mitchell In Islam the accuser must have “four witnesses considered to be perfect Muslims”. Many Muslims agree that that prerequisite makes it impossible to carry out the prescribed punishments. Therefore all the punishments in the Quran can be seen as deterrents from committing sin.

[@quicktingz2097]

Sean Connery explains this verse best.

[@mdshakhawathossain8014]

It is commonly mistaken. He is really misunderstanding us. He didn't say the wright. Husband has the authority to beat wives. In cases what quran has mentioned.

[@moab0226]

You didn’t even mention the context of verse 4:34 - The Hadith which talks about a woman who was slapped by her husband went to rasulallah and he said go back and hit him the same way- then the prophet called her back because this verse was revealed which went AGAINST what the prophet wanted.

[@criminozs]

I respect Dr. Shabbir Ally when it comes to debates in between Muslims and non Muslims but in this particular case he didn't even had the guts to read the whole ayah let alone explain it's meaning. It really comes down not having complete faith in Islam, and trying to tailor Islam in ways this time wants it to be. Islam is timeless not how Dr. Shabbir Ally wants or anybody else wants it to be.

[@badrodinmangindra7566]

criminozs deep

[@criminozs]

@david mitchell ancient or not the morals are there unlike what's happening around the world.

[@criminozs]

@david mitchell most people today don't even clean themselves properly after pooping, don't tell me that they have better morals than described in Islam. This conversation can go back and forth like this forever, if you aren't arguing just for the sake of arguing then I suggest you give a proper read to the Qur'an and try to understand it with an open mind. But if you just want to argue just for the sake of arguing then you have your opinions which are merely opinions and they aren't fact based at all. I'd suggest you keep your biased opinions to yourself, you are just spreading hatred nothing else and it's only gonna do you bad.

[@SM-sc5ku]

@@criminozs Did your prophet not used just 3 stones to clean himself after pooping? They did not even have clean water or soap, they were not very clean in those days. We are much better at cleaning ourselves nowadays, with shampoos and shower gels.

[@SM-sc5ku]

@@criminozs Your prophet says in a hadith that he had done wudu in water where there were dead animals and blood from womens menses, he said water is never dirty.

[@yasminea7149]

Why are there always so many non-Muslim people watching Muslim videos and making negative comments? Don't you people have something better to do? Why are you so concerned about Islam? Practice your own religion or lack thereof if you are convinced it's the right path for you.

[@myfamily2242]

Only if islam forgets about converting other people and dont push thier nose in other people. And also if islam extremism which is causing alot of mess. People are trying to understand what is going on with Islam. And how can Islam work better towards peace rather than trying to put its supremacy on others.

[@myfamily2242]

And to clarify my prospective I have my reservations against any religion which is Abrahamic. All these religion need to dilute their belief abit.

[@zitpopper9296]

We mastered religion centuries ago...you guys are still in the dark ages. But you still wanna lie here and build a modern life...

[@A.S0123]

Asalamualaikum, I was looking this verse up and came across this video. Really dont understand how it's referring to the state authority. I hope Dr Shabbir is sincere in breaking this down and isn't doing this intentionally but this makes no sense whotosever! A husband can separate his bed from his wife, how is the state authority a part of this?!Really disappointing, I pray you redeem yourself Dr Shabir. Ameen

[@andrewhenry9516]

Wa alaykum salam, I agree, I think Muslims need to stop going around in circles with this verse to please the kuffar and just accept what it says, they may not like it, but the system outlined in that verse kept civilization going for thousands of years. Another thing that’s funny is that scholars like these will take the apparent meaning of any verse/Hadith about mercy, love, tolerance, forgiveness, etc but they heavily reinterpret any verses that would be deemed as controversial

[@ainaltair3217]

It appears that most of the present day scholars/Imams speak I n accordance with the interpretations set by the four major school s of thought about 1200 years back. They go and search for interpretation from these references (1200 year old tool box) and present it to the people. I think they are not allowed to preach or say anything radically different from that eventhough the Quran is very explicit that in case of conflict use a better interpretation. Tough job being an scholar or imam. Common person can explore possible explanations and speak/discuss about it as most of us have access to continual learning.