Are Protestants The TRUE Catholics?! (Responding To Ruslan KD)

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Voice of Reason

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3 ай бұрын

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@sbblando8533
@sbblando8533 3 ай бұрын
What does "enjoying" being Protestant mean? Do you think the early Christians had a blast when they were being persecuted?
@ilonkastille2993
@ilonkastille2993 3 ай бұрын
It is a typical Protestant , idea that we should enjoy life. They have never heard of the importance of accepting suffering when it comes your way. To join your suffering to the suffering of Christ.
@liljade53
@liljade53 3 ай бұрын
@@ilonkastille2993 look up Joni Eareckson Tada, an evangelical Christian who has spent the last 50 years as a quadriplegic and who has founded an organization that serves the disabled community, and tell her she has never heard of the importance of accepting suffering when it comes your way.
@Sevenspent
@Sevenspent 3 ай бұрын
@@ilonkastille2993 To be honest this is a hard concept to get even for Catholics to understand. But the saints and even a couple modern stories support said suffering.
@ilonkastille2993
@ilonkastille2993 3 ай бұрын
@@Sevenspent yes it is difficult to understand even for Catholics but the MESSAGE of Christianity through Jesus is to accept suffering when suffering comes your way , is to join it to the suffering of Jesus . Accepting suffering is to accept HIS WILL and not yours. The saints were martyrs and suffered without complaining. They united their suffering through christ. That is why they are called saints. Of course it is easy to say this when we are not in a state of suffering at this moment but when the time comes we have to remember it.
@esewey1289
@esewey1289 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@claybody
@claybody 3 ай бұрын
Protestantism.= I am my own pope.= Millions of denominations. I am a former Protestant. Talking with many of my Protestant friends, they go to churches where "they feel" like God told them to go to that particular church.
@claybody
@claybody 3 ай бұрын
Many in the Protestant churches don't even know what their particular church actually teaches. I don't think the Catholic Church Has the ability to Catechize every person with all of its knowledge as well. But we should try.
@clementejr
@clementejr 3 ай бұрын
What do you mean my bro?
@tx_7134
@tx_7134 3 ай бұрын
@@clementejr Here’s an example:Protestant A believes the Holy Spirit sent them to the Baptist church, while Protestant B clames it sent them to the Lutheran church and so on and so forth.
@erenjaeger1738
@erenjaeger1738 3 ай бұрын
Moses would break any statues that are worshiped in the catholic church XD
@maksim3417
@maksim3417 3 ай бұрын
@@erenjaeger1738 So none? No one worships statues and icons
@SuperAlm11
@SuperAlm11 3 ай бұрын
Protestantism has not 1 universal teaching , to say they are catholic is outrageous
@roninsavage6614
@roninsavage6614 3 ай бұрын
Protestants are Christians
@jamessheffield4173
@jamessheffield4173 3 ай бұрын
THE CREEDS OF FOUR COUNCILS RECEIVED. And, to say many things with a few words, with a sincere heart we believe, and freely confess with open mouth, whatever things are defined from the Holy Scriptures concerning the mystery of the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ, and are summed up in the Creeds and decrees of the first four most excellent synods convened at Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus and Chalcedon -- together with the Creed of blessed Athanasius [The so-called Athanasian Creed was not written by Athanasius but dates from the ninth century. It is also called the "Quicunque" from the opening word of the Latin text.], and all similar symbols; and we condemn everything contrary to these. THE SECTS. And in this way we retain the Christian, orthodox and catholic faith whole and unimpaired; knowing that nothing is contained in the aforesaid symbols which is not agreeable to the Word of God, and does not altogether make for a sincere exposition of the faith. THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION
@erenjaeger1738
@erenjaeger1738 3 ай бұрын
They do. They agreed they're not orthodox or catholic for sure
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 3 ай бұрын
💯
@jamessheffield4173
@jamessheffield4173 3 ай бұрын
@@erenjaeger1738 Notice: we retain the Christian, orthodox and catholic faith whole and unimpaired;
@S7ARK_
@S7ARK_ 3 ай бұрын
Lately, I've been asking Protestants which Church Father they would choose to preach in their "churches". Then, I follow up by asking how their "church" would accept the writings of that Church Father on topics like the Eucharist, saints, or Mary. It cuts through their lies.
@helligusvart2384
@helligusvart2384 3 ай бұрын
And that's why we belive in sola scriptura and sola fide, once you open your theology you can make scripture say whatever you like
@fabio4arruda
@fabio4arruda 3 ай бұрын
I would choose Paul to preach in the Church I attend.
@nerisaac
@nerisaac 3 ай бұрын
@@helligusvart2384nothing in the Bible promotes sola scriptura
@helligusvart2384
@helligusvart2384 3 ай бұрын
@@nerisaac nothing in scripture? Show me a verse that say that
@sbblando8533
@sbblando8533 3 ай бұрын
@@helligusvart2384 Talk about circular arguments.
@horntail51
@horntail51 3 ай бұрын
If he knew the truth of Martin Luther he would definitely not be protestant anymore.
@dankmatter3068
@dankmatter3068 3 ай бұрын
Padre Pio says he saw him in hell.
@JMeve
@JMeve 3 ай бұрын
@@dankmatter3068He did?!!
@dankmatter3068
@dankmatter3068 3 ай бұрын
@@JMeve Yeah, the demon in hell keeps hammering the 95 theses into his face, the one he hammered to the church.
@erenjaeger1738
@erenjaeger1738 3 ай бұрын
Like what?
@allwillberevealed777
@allwillberevealed777 3 ай бұрын
​@@dankmatter3068 Both are liars.
@EricN571
@EricN571 3 ай бұрын
“To go deep in History and in into the Bible is to cease to be Protestant “ Plain and simple.
@johnyang1420
@johnyang1420 3 ай бұрын
Amen!!!!
@Sevenspent
@Sevenspent 3 ай бұрын
I remember a story of a recent convert who went to the holy land and she said the protestants were disappointed it was all catholic to the point of not being amazed when they walked into the Church of Holy Sepulchre where its believed where Jesus was crucified and buried.
@johnowens5342
@johnowens5342 3 ай бұрын
To go deep into the Bible is to cease to be Catholic Plan and simple
@EricN571
@EricN571 3 ай бұрын
@@johnowens5342 eeh no , The Catholic Church was first then the Bible they complied it . All their teachings are biblical.
@MeanBeanComedy
@MeanBeanComedy 3 ай бұрын
​@@SevenspentI just can't believe that. Not possible.
@pyotr94
@pyotr94 3 ай бұрын
As a Catholc, it wouldve been way easier to be a protestant. In saying that, I just couldnt deny Church History. Its clear that Catholic teaching is the closest we can get to Apostolic Christianity.
@jesusdelapaz1541
@jesusdelapaz1541 3 ай бұрын
it is the only one that is apostolic Christianity and nothing else
@levrai944
@levrai944 2 ай бұрын
Catholicism and Apostolic Christianity are one and the same.
@MiraclesFSC
@MiraclesFSC 2 ай бұрын
Wrong. Read the new testament with genuine honesty and come back and tell me Catholic tradition is the closest you can get.. It's FAR from it. Practically a new doctrine.
@tony1685
@tony1685 2 ай бұрын
@@levrai944 can you show me where the apostles prayed to Mary (who is dead) or any other human? can you show me where they pretended the 1st day was sanctified, blessed, made Holy -- the Lord's day? can you tell me Scriptures which show us where another sinner gives 3rd party sin forgiveness? there is much, much more -- but this is well for now.
@levrai944
@levrai944 2 ай бұрын
@@tony1685 Google can answer every single question that you just asked me, and probably far better than I can. Go and do objective (non anti Catholic biased) research and you’ll find your answers. Good luck 🙏🏾
@HypnoChode74
@HypnoChode74 3 ай бұрын
When i became a Christian again…. My time studying church history is what actually lead me to wanting to become Orthodox. Bless the Holy Spirit for help my guide me along the way.
@Porphyrios02
@Porphyrios02 3 ай бұрын
Glory to God! God bless you and may you have a strong and fruitful rest of your fast ☦️
@evanmbiter
@evanmbiter 3 ай бұрын
God is love. We all fall short and sin. Love is just and merciful. Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged. Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and for us to be regenerated. If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin. The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die. We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan). Commandments aren't have to's, they are what we do because we actually want God's direction and It's what fulfills us. You can't be born again without the desire to honor God. (Works based salvation "Christians" and "lawless Christians" are both wrong.) We love because God first loved us. Jesus is God, the Son, "the first and the last", God along with God the Father "the Lord God", this title is mentioned with being tied to God in Isaiah 44:6-8, and that same is sent along with the Lord God's Spirit in Isaiah 48:11-16. Jesus further claims this title also in Revelation 1:8-17. Leave catholicism/orthodox/protestant churches that preach strife, or inform them.
@Gio-ce8ob
@Gio-ce8ob 3 ай бұрын
I believe they are closer to the Truth than Protestants but personally I believe they missed the mark when they split during the Great Schism, in my opinion, all due respect to their faith.
@evanmbiter
@evanmbiter 3 ай бұрын
@@Gio-ce8ob God is love. We all fall short and sin. Love is just and merciful. Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged. Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and for us to be regenerated. If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin. The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die. We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan). Commandments aren't have to's, they are what we do because we actually want God's direction and It's what fulfills us. You can't be born again without the desire to honor God. (Works based salvation "Christians" and "lawless Christians" are both wrong.) We love because God first loved us. Jesus is God, the Son, "the first and the last", God along with God the Father "the Lord God", this title is mentioned with being tied to God in Isaiah 44:6-8, and that same is sent along with the Lord God's Spirit in Isaiah 48:11-16. Jesus further claims this title also in Revelation 1:8-17. Leave catholicism/orthodox/protestant churches that preach strife, or inform them.
@alexanderchriste9995
@alexanderchriste9995 17 сағат бұрын
Catholic is the one true church
@BYZANTINEFINEST
@BYZANTINEFINEST 3 ай бұрын
He knows church history, just as well as Jack Chick knows church history 🤣🤣🤣...
@Kingofkings07133
@Kingofkings07133 3 ай бұрын
😂😂
@StringofPearls55
@StringofPearls55 3 ай бұрын
I'm not trying to be nasty, but they seem to separate particular sentences from context and expound on them. They do the same with scripture.
@MeanBeanComedy
@MeanBeanComedy 3 ай бұрын
​@@StringofPearls55That's how low-church Prots argue. 🤷🏼‍♂️ They'll just throw out a few words, divorced from context in the sentence, paragraph, chapter, and book they come from. "Only one mediator!" "Call no man father!" "By faith!" Never really citing full sources, usually.
@not_milk
@not_milk 21 күн бұрын
@@MeanBeanComedy Everyone does this. Sound bites are the easiest way for lay people to argue. "God is not the God of the dead but the living!" "man is justified by works, and not by faith only!"
@mauricesandoval1135
@mauricesandoval1135 3 ай бұрын
Mom! Voice of reason posted another banger! 🔥🔥
@MerliiinWyllt
@MerliiinWyllt 3 ай бұрын
Baby wake up Alex from Voice of Reason is defending the Church ✝️💪🏻🙏🏻
@Police_k9
@Police_k9 3 ай бұрын
Thats right💯
@anaclararodas4833
@anaclararodas4833 3 ай бұрын
I don't understand why lie and say he knows about history. It's to convince other people who doesn't know history as well? Yet, I'm sure he knows he's lying. That doesn't make him a very good example to have such a big following.
@heva2337
@heva2337 3 ай бұрын
I once had to correct him on the church councils that he stated incorrectly.
@andrevaca6700
@andrevaca6700 3 ай бұрын
I had the same issues when I was Protestant. It came from a prejudice that Catholics must be wrong, so this history is the one that makes sense. At face value, without deeper study it will make sense to many Protestants.
@MathAdam
@MathAdam 3 ай бұрын
Not to mention the subtraction error required to arrive a the number 250
@michele-33
@michele-33 3 ай бұрын
I think prideful ego leads him to pretend he's more knowledgeable than he is.. ...and he seems to have a preoccupation with celebrity...
@ThruTheUnknown
@ThruTheUnknown 3 ай бұрын
I know church history, so here is Gavin to explain church history...🙄
@RawSan98
@RawSan98 3 ай бұрын
Protestants tend to argue that their denominations are built upon the Bible itself, but notice how each different denominations have different beliefs that they pick and chose from the bible to benefit their lives. To be a true Christian is to follow God's word and God's law, not only the stuff that you "feel like" following. The one true church will always be CATHOLIC. If you wanna pick and chose what applies to you from our Holy scripture, you are not a true believer.
@evanmbiter
@evanmbiter 3 ай бұрын
God is love. We all fall short and sin. Love is just and merciful. Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged. Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and for us to be regenerated. If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin. The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die. We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan). Commandments aren't have to's, they are what we do because we actually want God's direction and It's what fulfills us. You can't be born again without the desire to honor God. (Works based salvation "Christians" and "lawless Christians" are both wrong.) We love because God first loved us. Jesus is God, the Son, "the first and the last", God along with God the Father "the Lord God", this title is mentioned with being tied to God in Isaiah 44:6-8, and that same is sent along with the Lord God's Spirit in Isaiah 48:11-16. Jesus further claims this title also in Revelation 1:8-17. Leave catholicism/orthodox/protestant churches that preach strife, or inform them.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 St. Peter proclaims Jesus as the cornerstone, without which there could be no Church (Acts 4:11, 1 Pet. 2:6-7). The reference to Jesus as the cornerstone comes from Old Testament passages like Psalm 118:22 and Isaiah 8:4, and refers to the sanctuary or Temple of God where the Israelite people worshipped. In other words, Jesus is the new Temple of a New Covenant form of worship (John 2:18-22), who was sadly rejected by many. Without Jesus, there could be no fulfillment of Israel, including a new form of worship centered on Jesus and his Sacrifice of Calvary and its sacramental re-presentation in the celebration of the Mass (Luke 22:19-20), vs. the Old Covenant sacrifices offered at the Temple in Jerusalem that could not provide eternal salvation. And so there could be no Church, which is the fulfillment of Israel, without Jesus as the cornerstone of the New Covenant and its salvific worship. And yet Jesus chooses Peter as the rock (Aramaic: kepha) upon which to build his Church (Matt. 16:18-19). Properly understood, then, it’s a both/and, with Jesus as the cornerstone of the New Covenant fulfillment of Israel, and Peter as the rock upon which he builds his Church.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@rexlion4510 In addition Jesus would not have spoken his discourse to Peter in Greek. most of the common Jewish folk to whom Jesus spoke would not have been fluent in it. Aramaic was their spoken language. Moreover, we have biblical evidence-John 1:42-that also points to Jesus using Aramaic in the naming of Peter: “[Andrew] brought [Peter] to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas,’” (which means Peter). The name Cephas is an anglicized form of the Aramaic Kepha, which means simply “rock.” There would have been no “small rock” to be found in Jesus’ original statement to Peter. Even well respected Protestant scholars will agree on this point. Baptist scholar D.A. Carson, writes, in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, The underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (“you are kepha” and “on this kepha”), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock.” The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with a dialect of Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. It follows that when Matthew was translating, he would have used petra for “rock.” However, in so doing, he would have encountered a problem. Petra is a feminine noun. It would have been improper to call Peter Petra. This would be equivalent to calling a male “Valerie” or “Priscilla” in English. Hence, petros was used instead of petra for Peter’s name.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@dentryn4365 The Aramaic _kepha_ is essentially a feminine noun, and it only is understood in the masculine tense when it is applied as a name or nickname to someone. This is accurately reflected in the Greek, which uses the masculine _petros_ for Simon ("You are _Petros"_ ) but inserts the feminine _petra_ for "upon this rock." It is absurd to assume that Jesus would refer to Simon as feminine! (Unlike in today's society!) If you are saying that the Greek manuscripts contain a serious error, well, that's problematic.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 The name Cephas is an anglicized form of the Aramaic Kepha, which means simply “rock.” There would have been no “small rock” to be found in Jesus’ original statement to Peter. Even well respected Protestant scholars will agree on this point. Baptist scholar D.A. Carson, writes, in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, The underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (“you are kepha” and “on this kepha”), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock.” The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with a dialect of Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. In Koine Greek (the dialect of Greek used by the authors of the New Testament), petros and petra are masculine and feminine forms of words with the same root and the same definition: rock. There is no “small rock” to be found in the Greek text, either. So why did Matthew use these two words in the same verse? Petra was a common word used for “rock” in Greek. It’s used fifteen times to mean “rock,” “rocks,” or “rocky” in the New Testament. Petros is an ancient Greek term that was not commonly used in Koine Greek at all. In fact, it was never used in the New Testament, except for Peter’s name after Jesus changed it from Simon to Peter.
@darrellperez1029
@darrellperez1029 3 ай бұрын
Haven't seen the video yet but St. Ignatius indeed cemented the word we go by today. KATOLIKOS.
@delvingeorge2807
@delvingeorge2807 3 ай бұрын
Yes, He was also the Bishop of Antioch very place Christians were named Christians. He is known by the name of St. Theophorus of Antioch too.
@delvingeorge2807
@delvingeorge2807 3 ай бұрын
Protestants are most afraid of St Ignatius of Antioch and his writings.
@darrellperez1029
@darrellperez1029 3 ай бұрын
@@delvingeorge2807 Ohhhh I believe that.
@chuckjones8459
@chuckjones8459 3 ай бұрын
Actually his predecessor Bishop ( disciple of Christ ) of Antioch Evodius coined the term Christian circa 30 years after the crucifixion& ressurection.
@darrellperez1029
@darrellperez1029 3 ай бұрын
@@chuckjones8459 I specified Katolikos for the reason that everything referenced to Christ is Catholic.
@Sergatx
@Sergatx 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff man. I’m just starting to get back to my Catholic faith. Your videos are helping me learn so much. I got a lot of work to do to get back to grace with God.
@Tank_That
@Tank_That 3 ай бұрын
Best advice go to confession and come on home! Prayers
@lastsupperapologetics5710
@lastsupperapologetics5710 3 ай бұрын
You don’t have a lot of work to do for Gods grace. Only be hard on yourself in confession and receive the free perplexing grace of our good God
@robertotapia8086
@robertotapia8086 3 ай бұрын
Welcome back I also fell away myself and now I hunger for the LORD and all he left us. I'm grateful that GOD has blessed us with great teachers like @Alex @Voice of reason 🙏🏼
@declancain2988
@declancain2988 3 ай бұрын
Don't beat yourself up though(not saying you are) that is exactly what the devil wants. May God keep your soul in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti, Amen.
@liljade53
@liljade53 3 ай бұрын
Grace is unmerited favor.
@isaacfletcher3067
@isaacfletcher3067 3 ай бұрын
As a protestant - and a seeker thanks for this and would love that follow up video
@89eddiejames
@89eddiejames 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your video. I been a practicing Catholic for a little over a year now. Please pray for me my brothers and sisters that I can be brave like this man in defending our faith.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
Just don't worship the wafers. That is idolatry.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 I don't believe you were ever Catholic. That's often used to lure vulnerable Catholics from the One true Church and May God forbid.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 You are one of them that walked away rexlion. Jesus said “Do you take offense at this?” (v. 61). Thus, there was no misunderstanding on the part of the disciples. They got it! And they left Jesus for it. If Jesus wanted to ease the difficulty that the disciples were having with his command to “eat his flesh” and “drink his blood” and clarify their realistic understanding, then he could have, and would have, done so by retreating to the “come to me” and “believe in me” language. After we’re told that the disciples “drew back and no longer walked with [Jesus]” (v. 66), Jesus asks the apostles, “Will you also go away?” (v. 67). Jesus’ question to the apostles is further evidence that he intended a realistic understanding of his words as opposed to a metaphorical or figurative one. Worshipping Christ in the Holy Eucharist is not idolatry btw rexlion4510.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@dentryn4365 You wrote: "You are one of them that walked away" No, I never walked away from Jesus. I walked away from the false religion called Roman Catholicism. You are conflating those who withdrew from Jesus and those who withdraw from the RCC's bad Bible interpretation. In case you haven't noticed, Clement of Alexandria (late 2nd-early 3rd Century) did not believe that Jesus' words (about eating His flesh and drinking His blood) were literal, either. By what right does the RCC ignore their own Tradition? And are you prepared to say that St. Clement "walked away from Jesus" because he, Clement, had the same understanding of John 6 as I have? 🙃 Clement wrote: "...we may regard the proclamation of the Gospel, which is universally diffused, as milk; and as meat, faith, which from instruction is compacted into a foundation, which, being more substantial than hearing, is likened to meat, and assimilates to the soul itself nourishment of this kind. Elsewhere _the Lord, in the Gospel according to John, brought this out _*_by symbols,_*_ when He said: “Eat ye my flesh, and drink my blood;” (Joh___6:54__) describing distinctly _*_by metaphor_*_ the drinkable properties _*_of faith_*_ and the promise,_ by means of which the Church, like a human being consisting of many members, is refreshed and grows, is welded together and compacted of both, - of faith, which is the body, and of hope, which is the soul; as also the Lord of flesh and blood." ( _The Instructor,_ Book 1, Ch. 6, paragraph 6) Clement distinctly states that Jesus' words of John 6:53 _were symbolic and metaphoric_ of *faith* (belief in Him as Messiah/Savior). Exactly what I've been saying, Clement said. Later in that same Chapter he wrote, "Thus in many ways the Word is _figuratively described, as meat, and flesh, and food, and bread, and blood, and milk._ The Lord is all these, to give enjoyment to _us who have _*_believed_*_ on Him."_ St. Augustine as a young, newly ordained priest may have thought John 6's 'eating/drinking' language was literal. But by the time he'd matured in his faith and ministry, and got around to writing specific things on the subject, he believed that Jesus was speaking figuratively: “It is a more horrible thing to eat man’s flesh, than to kill it: and to drink man’s blood, than it is to shed it.” “In sacraments we must consider, not what they be,” (in substance and nature,) “but what they signify.” “If it be a speech that commandeth, either by forbidding an horrible wickedness, or requiring that which is profitable, it is not figurative: but if it seem to require horrible wickedness, and to forbid what is good and profitable, it is spoken figuratively. Except ye eat (saith Christ) the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. He seemeth to require the doing of that which is horrible, or most wicked: *it is a figure, therefore,* commanding us to communicate with the passion of Christ, and comfortably and profitably to lay up in our remembrance, that his flesh was crucified and wounded for us.” “Believe in Christ, and thou hast eaten Christ. For, _believing in Christ is the eating_ of the bread of life.” I think you owe me an apology for saying I walked away from Jesus just because I don't believe I have to eat Him to have Him in me, and I in Him. My doctrinal belief about John 6 is consistent with learned early churchmen.... churchmen whom your RCC apparently pays mere lip service to, because their true teachings are not honored! The RCC is strongly motivated to retain its members because they provide the money that pays for the clergy's food, housing, fancy robes, and everything. So they cooked up this doctrine of Transubstantiation so they could say that the RCC has this unique ability to confect the Sacrament which no others have. They hold the laity captive through deception. This is cult-like behavior, and you have drunk their Kool-Aid. So did I, but God freed me from bondage to the RCC. All glory to God! I pray that he delivers you, too.
@YaksoHD
@YaksoHD 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video brother! Thank you for responding to this video, comments don't really do much, hopefully Ruslan responds or there can be an actual conversation. You're completely right to say Ruslan doesn't know Church history because if he did he would not hold to the claims he does. God bless you brother and keep up the great work!
@anaclararodas4833
@anaclararodas4833 3 ай бұрын
I don't think he would answer or accept talking. Ruslan seems to me the kind of protestan who just believes all the "history" that Protestantism teaches and doesn't look into it himself (it's something we all fall into, so no shade throwing here). It's what I call intentional ignorance, essentially denial 😂 Because I can't believe that what was said in by Voice of Reason is the first or only person who's presented this to protestants.
@robertotapia8086
@robertotapia8086 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree 👍🏼 🙏🏼
@enrique7205
@enrique7205 3 ай бұрын
Love the channel Alex. Just wanted to say that Gavin Ortland is definitely not the best that Protestantism has to offer on KZbin, which is why he is Baptist. Baptist were not part of the original reformation. The best that Protestantism has to offer on KZbin is Sean Luke from Anglican Aesthetics, which Michael Lofton has had on his channel and said he is way ahead of the majority of Protestants. Ruslan is a good dude, but he has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to church history. I am Catholic by the way and love listening to you and Michael Lofton.
@fnkrodigaz1841
@fnkrodigaz1841 23 күн бұрын
I herd Matt Frad say Gavin is going to be on his show soon. Maybe Holy Spirit is working on something.❤✝️🙏🥖🍷
@travisgray8376
@travisgray8376 3 ай бұрын
Im sick of protesents telling me im not really christian cuz im Catholic n i pray to statues we dont do that n we are christians. Sick of this.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 3 ай бұрын
Agreed, Protestantism doesn’t seem to be able to mount any intellectual arguments against Catholicism so reverting to to low level superficial & false claims, when surely they are capable of better?
@katerinejonhson4416
@katerinejonhson4416 3 ай бұрын
As a person who came from latin American I will invite you to do some research in regards of idolatry in South America special in Mexico. To say that God is please with this is a complete ignorance of biblical teachings. I won’t debate. I will recommend you to research how deep this culture of bowing, kissing, praying to statues have infiltrated the Catholic Church in South America. At the point where Everything is acceptable. Including cult to shaman and African rituals. Mary can be black or yellow and Jesus teaching are nowhere to be found. People think they can win GOd’s favor by doing works such as climbing a mountain on their knees and carrying heavy statues of Mary in the shoulders while people look forward to touch it to gain some type of miracle or favor with God. The sexual abuses inside the Catholic Church who have being covered by the Vatican. I’m from Dominican Republic years ago one of the highest cardinal in Santo Domingo was accused of raping numerous children including children from the streets. What happened to him nothing. He was taken under the wings of the Vatican and then mysteriously die in Rome. The father of my son is from Cuba. He follows an African religion by the name Orisha/ Yoruba which basically promotes African rituals and deities. Around 5 yrs ago when I became a Christian he showed me a video of different religious leaders in the Vatican along with the Pope. where the BABALOa ( their priest, pastor) was giving an speech about how the world will have to accept the fact that their religion also brings people closer to god. All of This in front of the Pope. Recently your Pope welcome homosexuals into the church stating that they can start participating in church rituals. Very sad that people are deciding to stay in a system that openly contradicts the God they profess to serve. Just like the Pharisees From Jesus time who were so blinded that they missed the messiah. We will be judged by what it’s wrote in scriptures
@raymondvasquez6967
@raymondvasquez6967 3 ай бұрын
@@katerinejonhson4416 There will always be people who divert from teaching either by ignorance, greed or pride. Yet the Church that Jesus founded remains despite many attempts to destroy it through bad teaching, false prophets and political powers, externally and from within. For all the bad in Latin America, the Church overall has done a remarkable job through the creation of many institutions of higher learning, hospitals, social support and charitable institutions, not to mention to producing holy and religious men and women through the sacraments Jesus instituted and gave to the Church.
@cdeep4548
@cdeep4548 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@katerinejonhson4416Sex scandals. There are Many sex scandals in the so called “Christian” churches as well. Protestant churches are not immune to sexual depravity. Latin America culturally has a high regard for mothers and it is natural that they carry that same vigor towards our mother Mary. Veneration of saints and the mother of God is not idolatry, it is a devotion towards those whom we love. God is one, he desired for us to be one and above all he desired for us to love one another as he loved us. Therefore we love Mary and the Saints that came before us. This doesn’t mean we love God less or that we don’t esteem God or that we make anyone or anything equal to God. It is because we love God that we cannot help but to love each other, for God is love and we are born of God.
@tylerkessler4021
@tylerkessler4021 3 ай бұрын
This guy is a clear Goofball. Praise God for He revealed to me his true Catholic Church 3 months ago and I’m still feeling the Joy of the Holy Spirit. Catechumen right now and my love for Jesus has never been stronger. Every day, every RCIA clacks, and every Holy mass I attend I absolutely feel this truth . 🕊️❤️ Hosanna in the Highest. Finally Home
@pemcortes9467
@pemcortes9467 3 ай бұрын
Welcome Home
@swoosh1mil
@swoosh1mil 3 ай бұрын
Ruslan says he knows church history. Yes, he knows Protestant church history; not One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church history - True Church history.
@Gio-ce8ob
@Gio-ce8ob 3 ай бұрын
Perfectly put
@tony1685
@tony1685 2 ай бұрын
sorry friend, Bible shows catholicism isn't Christianity.
@swoosh1mil
@swoosh1mil 2 ай бұрын
@@tony1685 Double sorry bro; your asserting amounts to nothing. History proves you wrong. EDIT: And Bible does prove Catholicism is Christianity.
@tony1685
@tony1685 2 ай бұрын
@@swoosh1mil on the Bible -- do you believe 1 Tim 3:15 -- His church still upholds Truth -- or do they not? do you believe John 14:15 -- that His people still show Him love by keeping His Commandments -- or do they not?
@swoosh1mil
@swoosh1mil 2 ай бұрын
@@tony1685 I believe both are still held by the Church.
@izzymarz6788
@izzymarz6788 3 ай бұрын
Catholic means universal but the meaning is deeper. It also means indivisible. The church cannot break apart, that's why if some do, they are not part of the church that can never be divided
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 3 ай бұрын
Hmmm i like that "It also means indivisible".
@francescoaccomando7781
@francescoaccomando7781 3 ай бұрын
Jesus: let them be one as we are one. Protestants: hold on my denomination
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@francescoaccomando7781 It's actually the Catholics who say, hold on to my denomination. As a Protestant I am free in Christ to worship in just about any decent church, be it Baptist or Methodist or whatever. It's the Catholic Church that for centuries insisted, "My way or the highway! Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation!" Are Catholics religious bigots, or what?
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 No but Christ created one Church and not Churches. Break offs have man made churches which separated and broke with apostolic succession.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@dentryn4365 You will make no headway with me on that "one Church" argument, because I acknowledge that there is today only one true Church (on Body of Christ on earth), and the Roman Catholic Church isn't it! The Roman Catholic denomination is an earthly organization staffed by fallible human beings. The visible institution is not the true Church. The true Church is *all born-again Christians* no matter where they may happen to worship. Membership in this group or that group won't save anybody. Only faith in Jesus Christ is honored by God with the gifts of grace and righteousness. Faith in the RCC won't cut it on judgment day.
@Spider-yq1ez
@Spider-yq1ez 3 ай бұрын
Protestants and logic really doesen't mix well. Why do they also always leave out the fact that the Catholic church put togeather the bible?
@pemcortes9467
@pemcortes9467 3 ай бұрын
Why would they admit to that when they are based on sola scriptura? Its like pulling the carpet from under their feet.
@Matt-ty9qm
@Matt-ty9qm 3 ай бұрын
Protestant = protest Catholic = universal Bottom line Matthew 16:16-19 Jesus proclaims his Church and gives it to Peter the first Pope and the rest is history
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 3 ай бұрын
So are you part of church?
@chonk6683
@chonk6683 3 ай бұрын
Nope. That is not the case. Saying "upon this rock I will build my church" was in reference to what Peter had said a couple sentences prior that Jesus was the Christ (revealed to him by God the Father) and the reason his name is used is because his name means 'a small rock' and Peter was essentially a mouthpiece for a boulder like truth (confession of Christ), hence when Jesus says "upon this rock" it is speaking of bedrock or a massive boulder. Please, tell me any problems you have with this understanding.
@Matt-ty9qm
@Matt-ty9qm 3 ай бұрын
Nope you are a heretic and have a man made church with lines erased from the Bible not taught by the apostles
@Matt-ty9qm
@Matt-ty9qm 3 ай бұрын
Yep you don’t understand….I heard there is this church called the Later Day Saints perhaps you should join their cult
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 3 ай бұрын
So you believe eternal security.
@mildadventures4427
@mildadventures4427 3 ай бұрын
Why doesn't he just tell us why he is protestant? Instead he uses a Video of someone else speaking, kind of confusing since he was going to tell us himself. Its just him reacting and agreeing to Gavin
@BryanVidal-qj4xd
@BryanVidal-qj4xd 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, its Rouslan's own choice not Gavin's
@JoshYng
@JoshYng 3 ай бұрын
Ruslan has a tendency to just use everyone else’s thoughts with his own side comments thrown in. That’s why he’s a reaction channel lol. He rarely makes his own arguments unfortunately
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
I don't know about Ruslan, but I can tell you why I am no longer Roman Catholic (but I am catholic with a small "c"): I prayed to God and asked Him to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit began to lead me out of the RCC and into a Protestant church which taught me more Bible and more about my faith than the RCC ever did.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 That makes you an apostate to return and attack the Church. Nothing new though.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@dentryn4365 I know that I have eternal life and will be with my Lord Jesus forever. How about you? Do you know where you will spend eternity? I hope you do! 1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; _that ye may _*_know that ye have_*_ eternal life,_ and that ye may *believe* on the name of the Son of God. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now _no condemnation_ to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, _He that believeth on me hath everlasting life._ Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine! Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine! Heir of salvation, purchase of God, Born of His Spirit, washed in His blood. 😊
@wingchun1963
@wingchun1963 3 ай бұрын
Luther: "Whoever teaches differently from what I have taught herein, or condemns me for it, he condemns God, and must be a child of Hell" It's not sola scriptura, its sola luther and his interpretation of scripture.
@user-qh7tz1hu2q
@user-qh7tz1hu2q 22 күн бұрын
He said that?
@wingchun1963
@wingchun1963 15 күн бұрын
@@user-qh7tz1hu2q what's in quotations , yes.
@healhands5760
@healhands5760 3 ай бұрын
Protestant starting year 1,500 so the answer is a big NO.
@CatholicGunGuy
@CatholicGunGuy 3 ай бұрын
I feel like ruslan is literally just a grifter who does this for views instead of information
@arceneaux66
@arceneaux66 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely. He’s in it for the money. Definitely a grifter. Just look at his platform.
@Hafstrom1845
@Hafstrom1845 Ай бұрын
I think that’s an uncharitable take, don’t assume ill intent when it might just be ignorance. I mean, Ruslan has defended the catholic church against many popular misconceptions about catholic teachings.
@MrsYasha1984
@MrsYasha1984 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the response! I love listening to your arguments in that amazing voice of yours!😊
@aadschram5877
@aadschram5877 3 ай бұрын
At speed 1.25.
@dcipawn
@dcipawn 3 ай бұрын
I always said it's like a large family gathering for Thanksgiving dinner. The adults...the Catholics...sit at the big table and have an entire feast. Protestants are the little kids who sit at the fold out card table, and have limited choices and cut up small pieces of turkey. They are loved, but they are not fully developed.
@pemcortes9467
@pemcortes9467 3 ай бұрын
Love your analogy,still at the feast but not quite partaking of it.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
Strangely, I see it the exact other way around. As a former cradle Catholic, I see most Catholics living as if they have a dead faith; they seem to think the main thing in life is to be Roman Catholic (a "card-carrying" member of the church) and to "eat Jesus" every Sunday, instead of to have a living relationship with God through the indwelling Holy Spirit. I'm sure most of the Catholics who post on these videos are not like that, but it seems like you folks are the exception. When the Holy Spirit led me into a Protestant denomination, they taught me tons of great stuff from the Bible and I grew by leaps and bounds as a Christian. In the RCC I was stagnating spiritually.
@dcipawn
@dcipawn 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 Curious to see what makes your denomination different or "more right" than the 30,000 other denominations?
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@dcipawn 30,000 is a junk statistic. The originator counted the same denomination in 180 differerent countries as 180 denominations, for example. As for your question, my loyalty lies not with a denomination (not even the one I currently attend) but with Jesus Christ. The fact that a Catholic's loyalty or an Orthodox's loyalty reside so heavily with their denomination, and that spiritually speaking they _primarily identify_ with their denomination, stands in stark contrast to a typical Protestant's identification with and loyalty to Jesus Christ. Ask me about my faith, and I'll say I'm a Christian. Ask a Catholic about his faith, and he'll say he is a Catholic... as if the Catholic Church were his Savior or something! Similarly telling is the fact that a Catholic (or Orthodox) feels bound to his church. He can't fathom switching to any other church, because he has a _strong sense of dependency_ on his church to provide him with salvation (or the only viable shot at salvation, practically speaking). But a Protestant, since he identifies with Christ, sees the hand of God in most Protestant churches; the Protestant knows he is at liberty to fellowship and worship with like-minded Christians in any church that teaches the Trinitarian God and salvation by grace through faith apart from works (with works being a post-salvation result and consequence of the new birth). So even though I currently am in an Anglican parish where the Holy Spirit has led me for now, I would have no problem with being in a Baptist church, or a Methodist church, or any of a number of denominations (or even a non-denom church). I am equally welcome at the communion table of any of them, with the exception of some Baptist churches which practice "closed communion" (for established local members only, because they worry about someone they don't know receiving unworthily). I will ask you something in return: Do you know that you have eternal life? Do you have a sense of inner peace and assurance that, if you died tonight, you would be with our Lord Jesus in glory for eternity? I do. 1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; If the Holy Spirit does not yet testify to your human spirit that you are a child of God, blessed with all spiritual blessings, and possessor of forgiveness and redemption through faith in the blood Jesus shed on the cross, I pray that you will someday soon come to know His deep, abiding peace and blessed assurance.
@dcipawn
@dcipawn 2 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 I asked about the denominations because every "branch" teaches something different. Otherwise why is there not one protestant church? why the variety? Jesus gave us One Church and He wanted us to be one just as He and the Father (and the Spirit) are one. The Anglican church is just the American offshoot of the church of England, founded by King Henry the 8th because the Catholic Church wouldn't give him a divorce. That is not a church I'd want to follow. So yes, protestants are misguided, however if they hold true to at least Jesus then they can be saved. They'll just be at the kids' table in Heaven, but they'll still be there at least. The Catholic Church is not defined by a pope but by a true belief in the Holy Eucharist. John Chapter 6 was not a joke or figurative. He meant it. When the 70 walked away over that teaching He didn't chase after then and say He was only being figurative. You either accept it or you don't. Believing in Jesus and asking for His forgiveness and acknowledging that you are a sinner and need Him will get you to Heaven....eventually.....but your degree of glory in Heaven will be less. And Yes, if I die, and I trust in Jesus. I'll get there....eventually.
@MasterKeyMagic
@MasterKeyMagic 3 ай бұрын
protestantism is relativism. BK have it your way
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 3 ай бұрын
Where are my fries!!!
@lilnallie05
@lilnallie05 3 ай бұрын
I want to believe Ruslan is authentic but I don’t know, I feel like he is more interested in pleasing his audience than truth. I used to watch him but I get that impression soo I stopped.
@petifogger2340
@petifogger2340 3 ай бұрын
He misrepresents Catholic doctrine so easily. I used to watch him daily but he’s said too many false things for me to let them go
@lilnallie05
@lilnallie05 3 ай бұрын
@@petifogger2340 yes and he had Trent Horn on where they went through everything but then he continues to misrepresent Catholic teachings,
@josh39684
@josh39684 3 ай бұрын
I encourage everyone to read Against Heresies by St Irenaeus. It might have been written in the 2nd century but it shows the beliefs and teachings of the early church and it was clearly Catholic. It happens that their tradition (gnostics) respecting redemption is invisible and incomprehensible, as being the mother of things which are incomprehensible and invisible; and on this account, since it is fluctuating, it is impossible simply and all at once to make known its nature, for every one of them hands it down just as his inclination prompts. Thus there are as many schemes of redemption as there are teachers of these mystical opinions. And when we come to refute them, we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith. - St Irenaeus of Lyons
@danielvulaj1463
@danielvulaj1463 3 ай бұрын
This sounds amazing, thanks for the suggestion I think I'll add this to my list for the future
@josh39684
@josh39684 3 ай бұрын
​@@danielvulaj1463no problem. It's a fascinating read
@sbblando8533
@sbblando8533 3 ай бұрын
Great recommendation! St. Irenaeus was recently declared Doctor of the Church. Praised be Jesus Christ!
@josh39684
@josh39684 3 ай бұрын
​@sbblando8533 I honestly can't believe that he wasn't a doctor of the church sooner. His contribution to Christianity can not be understated. He's the first person in history to say that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the gospels. He also said: "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. It is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority."
@josh39684
@josh39684 3 ай бұрын
He also said: "But our opinion is in accordance with the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn establishes our opinion. For we offer to Him His own, announcing consistently the fellowship and union of the flesh and Spirit." "He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies." "For as the bread, which is produced from the earth, when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity."
@michaelkaufuti7864
@michaelkaufuti7864 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Alex. Excellent rebuttal because I watch Ruslan from time to time and I don’t think anybody has responded to that particular video. Keep up the great work and God bless your ministry 🙏🏼
@manny75586
@manny75586 3 ай бұрын
I audibly groaned at the "we are more Catholic" line. Like yeah Catholic means universal...but when that term was used there was one Church...the Roman Catholic Church. My God they'll do everything but admit they are a Christianity: REMIXED man-made tradition.
@maksim3417
@maksim3417 3 ай бұрын
I'm definitely taking Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism over Protestantism
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@manny75586 The term “Catholic” is in the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds, and many Protestants, claiming the term for themselves, give it a meaning that is unsupported historically, ignoring the term’s use at the time the creeds were written. Early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes: “As regards ‘Catholic,’ its original meaning was ‘universal’ or ‘general.’ . . . in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations (cf., e.g., Muratorian Canon). . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church” (Early Christian Doctrines, 190-1). Thus people who recite the creeds mentally inserting another meaning for “Catholic” are reinterpreting them according to a modern preference, much as a liberal biblical scholar does with Scripture texts offensive to contemporary sensibilities.
@BCATO
@BCATO 3 ай бұрын
Awesome to see this channel growing
@robertotapia8086
@robertotapia8086 3 ай бұрын
@Voice of reason thanks for responding to @Ruslan video ive been watching him for a while and was praying that he would have asked @Trent Horn a couple more deep questions. Prayerfully i hope he also reaches out to you so y'all can dialog.
@projectiledreamz
@projectiledreamz 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video, with clear addressing of what Ruslan raised. I wonder if it were possible to have a conversation with Ruslan on the points you raised, curious as to how he would reconcile what you said with what he believes about it all.
@GringoXavier
@GringoXavier 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. Solid work brother. Blessed be God forever.
@ezra.mttpty
@ezra.mttpty 3 ай бұрын
As much as i love seeing more christian youtubers defend and talk about christian faith, i also think that we have much bigger issue to talk about, rather tham our differences within the christian community (Not that this isn't important). People keep mocking christianity, christian minority in many countries are being persecuted, muslims want to take our land infront of our eyes. These are the things we should focus on, and unite us as a believer of Christ. We all believe that the truth is in Christ after all
@MarshaSortino
@MarshaSortino 3 ай бұрын
😊Thanks!
@user-pp6jn6iw3j
@user-pp6jn6iw3j 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for educating the people appreciate the videos!
@jpanduezadlf
@jpanduezadlf 3 ай бұрын
So, Papal infallibility is at most 250 years old, but Luther opposed it...
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
Luther made himself Pope.
@jpanduezadlf
@jpanduezadlf 3 ай бұрын
@@dentryn4365 the protestant guy said both that Luther opposed the papacy and that it is a new thing that was created 250 years ago.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@jpanduezadlf Actually in June of 1520, Luther changed his tune. Rather than recognizing the voice of the Pope, Luther instead denounced the pope as the Antichrist, publishing Against the Execrable Bull of the Antichrist in November of that year. Before taking this step, Luther shrewdly drummed up political support. In the summer of 1520, he wrote an “Address to the Nobility of the German Nation,” playing on German nationalism, and urging the secular authorities to take greater control of the Catholic Church. However, Luther executed a remarkable 180-degree reversal. He pledged fealty to the pope “come what may” when he thought that would benefit his cause, and when it didn’t, he denounced the pope as the Antichrist and pledged support to the worldly authorities instead.
@jpanduezadlf
@jpanduezadlf 3 ай бұрын
@@dentryn4365 look man, I'm just repeating what Ruslan KD said in this video. He said both that the Pope is an invention of the last 250 years and that Luther denounced the Pope as a false teaching. Either the Pope was invented 250 years ago or Luther spoke about it, since Luther lived 600 years ago.
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@@jpanduezadlf I'm not a man. The guy is obviously in error and doesn't know history.
@fuerzaamericanbulldogs3096
@fuerzaamericanbulldogs3096 3 ай бұрын
Thank you please never stop making videos.
@adnaldorodriguez3645
@adnaldorodriguez3645 3 ай бұрын
This was a Great video, love all the detail you gave.... awesome...on point. God Bless
@OceanPlantsLove
@OceanPlantsLove 3 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this video. God answered my prayers with this video. this is exactly what i was struggling with.
@powerzsoldier1
@powerzsoldier1 3 ай бұрын
Alex my friend please do a follow up on where we find those objections in the early church! Thanks for being an instrument of the Lord to share the truths of Christ and his Church.
@jaykim2491
@jaykim2491 3 ай бұрын
I am a 15 year old Presbyterian, and my dad’s a Presbyterian pastor and is opposed to the Catholic Church. I watch both you and Redeemed Zoomer, so I at least know the basics of both sides, but definitely a lot more about the reformed faith. I’m in a place where Redeemed Zoomer is convincing me to stay Presbyterian, while you’re convincing me of the history and the beliefs of the Catholic Church and to go to a mass and see what it’s like. My question is, should I obey my parents and keep going to my church until I’m able to go places on my own?
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 3 ай бұрын
Yes, you should obey your parents. You are under their authority for now, this is not an issue so great as to cause you to not be saved (thankfully). But, that being said, you should let them know at some point about your heart regarding this matter. Pray for peace, and patience.
@actnatural9261
@actnatural9261 3 ай бұрын
You should definitely obey your parents if you’re not old enough to make your own decisions. But also definitely go and check out a Catholic or Orthodox mass when you have the opportunity. If you feel convicted to either stay or change, there is no shame in doing so. God will meet you where you’re at.
@johnyang1420
@johnyang1420 3 ай бұрын
Take RCIA
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
Friend, the grass always _looks_ greener on the other side of the fence. Stay where you are, eat the good grass, and spit out the sticks when necessary. You're way young and inexperienced to make a huge change IMO (although everyone matures at a different rate). Personally, I was raised Roman Catholic. I was well catechized (never missed class unless I was sick, and I paid attention!). When I was 18, I prayed and asked God to fill me with His Spirit and "keep me safe." I didn't expect to feel anything, but WHAM, I suddenly KNEW that God was living inside of me and I felt _clean_ on the inside like never before. I went around with a big grin for about 2 weeks, I was so filled with joy! But here's the rub: the RCC never prepared me for an encounter with the living God. They never told me that this could happen or that one might expect it. For 2-3 years I was afraid to tell anyone, because I thought I was some sort of freak. I thought, why would Almighty God stoop to talk to a lowly sinner like me? As A RC, I was taught that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church... that if I left the "Mother Church" and didn't return before death, I was automatically damned to hell. That is what they taught us in catechism back in the 1960s. (They've toned it down since then, but that was the historic teaching for centuries.) So imagine my shock and reluctance when the Spirit began to urge me to explore Protestant churches! I resisted God for 8 years, but finally (married by this time) my wife, kids and I went started attending an Assemblies of God church. It helped save our marriage, because I was still a very selfish guy and I was spiritually stagnating again (attending the RCC wasn't helping me to grow spiritually at all.) We also started watching Christian tv. We grew in our love for God and our walk with Him by leaps and bounds. After 5 years there, God led us to a non-denom congregation. Eventually, after a couple decades, He led to an ACNA Anglican parish, and I've been there for about 5 years now. The thing is, as a Christian I am free in Christ. I am not bound by denominationalism; I am bound by love for God and the desire to follow Him. He knows what each of us needs, and He will lead us. (I would like to recommend that you get a copy of "How You Can Be Led by the Spirit of God" by K. Hagin; even though I caution against Word of Faith overall because of some of their extremes, this book is Biblically sound and very helpful.) Maybe that is why so many denominations exist: different people have different needs. At this point in my life, I treasure the traditional hymns, the solemn liturgy, and weekly communion. As for the RCC, here are the reasons why I will never return to that church. 1. They worship the host as God in the flesh. I have ample reason to believe that the consecrated bread remains bread, and that worshiping a bread wafer is idolatry akin to the Israelites' declaration of a gold calf as God and subsequent worship of it. 2. They teach that one can never have inward assurance that he would go to heaven at death. (The Holy Spirit assures the believer that he is a child of God and has eternal life, see Eph. 1:3-14 and 1 John 5:13.) In fact, RC doctrine says if you claim you know you're heaven-bound were you to die right then, you are "anathema." 3. They teach that one is almost certainly impure at death and that one's impurities must be burned out after death via the fires of Purgatory for innumerable years. Where is the full efficacy of Christ's propitiation? Where is the accounting of God's own perfect righteousness to us who believe, apart from works (Romans 3 & 4)? 4. They render hyperdulia (an exalted form of reverence) to Mary and they pray to her & love on her as if she were capable of assuring a person's salvation. (The apparition that calls itself "Mary" actually claimed on one occasion to hold this power of guaranteeing salvation; this is documented in _The Secret of the Rosary,_ a RCC-approved book by St. Lous de Montfort. 5. They sometimes kneel and pray before statues. They especially like having statues of Mary at their homes. We don't have to be iconoclasts, but we shouldn't get as carried away with statues and icons as RCs sometimes do. Those are my 'top 5 reasons.' There are others. I wish you well in your walk with our Lord; may you always place your complete trust in our Savior, and may you never divide your trust for salvation between Him and any other thing (like your church, or Sacraments, or good deeds). Peace.
@1906eliz
@1906eliz 3 ай бұрын
Hi. I would suggest you keep doing your research, while still honouring your parents and the faith you grew up in. I would not suggest you tell your parents yet that you are doing 'research'....only you can know how they will feel about that. I would suggest you listen to protestants (especially pastors) who have become Catholic. They often have a better knowledge of Catholic church history and understanding! I, as a Catholic have learnt from them, and reaffirm why l am Catholic. Bless you young man. Let God lead you where He wants you. 🙏
@robertotapia8086
@robertotapia8086 3 ай бұрын
@Voice of reason this video was much needed very deep very detailed thanks i took notes 📝 .
@Publix045wound
@Publix045wound Ай бұрын
I have a question just out of curiosity, When you do the holy Communion, are you drinking wine? Or are you drinking something that is not alcohol just really curious??
@beyond0077
@beyond0077 3 ай бұрын
I also highly recommend watching The Catechumen.
@mauricesandoval1135
@mauricesandoval1135 3 ай бұрын
30:21 Please do a video like that. Would love to watch it and use it to combat the objections my Protestant friends have.
@knoxBW
@knoxBW 3 ай бұрын
As someone who just recently started taking my faith seriously (got baptized just a little over a month ago) and who is a Protestant (Baptist) I’m looking for a true apostolic church and rethinking Protestantism can I have some help/advice??
@troynishimoto7875
@troynishimoto7875 3 ай бұрын
If I can get some help here, I’m having some trouble understanding a couple points in the video. When Alex mentions that many Protestants cut off the early church fathers around 430 AD and not until the 8th century because after 430, you begin to see a lot of catholic/orthodox structure being showed. In my perspective, wouldn’t it be more reliable to just look at the letters people wrote from Christ’s death to maybe a couple generations afterwards rather than going all the way to the 8th century to find the most sincere and truthful structure? I’m sure I’m missing something here but I just feel like if we have a few centuries without concrete catholic/orthodox Christian teachings until around 430 AD, then how can we know for sure that the RC, EO, or OO were really the original churches? My second question is if someone could direct me to the passages in the Bible where it teaches to hold onto tradition & the church. I do know it is referred multiple times that we need to be united as a church, but I am having a hard time defining what specific things Jesus declares to be withheld as one church. Because when Jesus tells Peter he gave him the keys to the kingdom and on this rock he will build this church, I understand that Christ is talking about one “church” but what does that look like? I’m trying to be sincere but when I read verses like that, I have to be honest say I am not convinced Jesus meant Peter was the Pope and that the RC church was established through that. It is just hard for me to wrap my brain around things like that. If someone clarify these confusions, I’d appreciate it a lot. Thank you!
@apostolicapologetics4829
@apostolicapologetics4829 3 ай бұрын
It is only the catholic church that is One in belief, worship, and governance. It is the Pope who is the visible sign of unity. Therefore, the orthodox with their bishops should return home.
@Kingofkings07133
@Kingofkings07133 3 ай бұрын
Ruslan’s video is absolutely ludicrous. First off he starts out by saying he’s a Protestant and he knows church history. If that’s the case then why not prove your position speaking about church history? Instead of defending his position, he just brings up a Gavin Ortland video 😂. Second we see him speak about how the Protestant church is more “Catholic” and doesn’t provide evidence for this claim at all. This is an insane claim as worldwide there’s more Catholics than there are Protestants. And not to mention how Protestants can’t even agree with each other on what are essential doctrines, while the Catholic Church is united under the vicar of Christ and have held the same doctrines from the beginning. Thirdly, we see his lie and outrageous statement that the Catholic Church no longer professes that “they are the only true church”. Well, the church has always professed this and will always continue to profess that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. Then we see Ruslan agreeing with ortland on how Protestantism must be true because Protestants said that “there is God” in the Catholic Church so they must also recognize us. This is outrageous as this is an argument for “how you feel” and that since we’re being nice you must be as well 😂😂 In the end, this video just shows that Ruslan is ignorant and has no idea about what he’s speaking about. Further it shows that he has lied about knowing history and what Catholics believe about salvation in their own church
@Viiola24
@Viiola24 2 ай бұрын
I am in the process of studying the history of the Church. Can anyone recommend stuff to read etc?
@Mohamed-pl5jk
@Mohamed-pl5jk 3 ай бұрын
You [voice of reason] said quran is combination of all gospels right so what gospels is right for you .either new or old one .but you guys follow both new testament and old testament. Could you pls suggest us what gospels does our beloved Jesus got from god or what's the exact gospel Jesus preached to the people of Israel
@WilliamNoelle
@WilliamNoelle 3 ай бұрын
Calvin amd Luther's statements on the Church's authority or claim as the one true church hold as much weight as a helium balloon. These men had no authority to start any church or formulate any systematic belief. They fell away from the one true Apostolic Church.
@evanmbiter
@evanmbiter 3 ай бұрын
God is love. We all fall short and sin. Love is just and merciful. Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged. Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and for us to be regenerated. If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin. The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die. We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan). Commandments aren't have to's, they are what we do because we actually want God's direction and It's what fulfills us. You can't be born again without the desire to honor God. (Works based salvation "Christians" and "lawless Christians" are both wrong.) We love because God first loved us. Jesus is God, the Son, "the first and the last", God along with God the Father "the Lord God", this title is mentioned with being tied to God in Isaiah 44:6-8, and that same is sent along with the Lord God's Spirit in Isaiah 48:11-16. Jesus further claims this title also in Revelation 1:8-17. Leave catholicism/orthodox/protestant churches that preach strife, or inform them.
@evanmbiter
@evanmbiter 3 ай бұрын
Calvin (as far as I know) and Luther were both just catholics who heard about the right path in scripture, and failed to give up their catholic ways. Inventing rules like "must take communion four times a year minimum (Luther's small catechism)". What they personally believe or what they actually held to, I don't know. I can only comment on the things most people claim they held to. And as far as I can tell they held to religion and not the pure and undefiled kind.
@sbblando8533
@sbblando8533 3 ай бұрын
@@evanmbiter You're wrong. You're misinformed.
@evanmbiter
@evanmbiter 3 ай бұрын
@@sbblando8533 Call me what you want but misinformed is something I'm not. If you think you can sin your way out of salvation, you don't understand salvation and aren't born again.
@sbblando8533
@sbblando8533 3 ай бұрын
@@evanmbiter Well, what you're saying is unbiblical. Just shows you favor your own interpretation over truth.
@TheRedWolf43
@TheRedWolf43 3 ай бұрын
Can you explain to me because something isn’t translating, when you are saying you are save because of the Catholic Church even though you are not a formal member of the church, I’m really confused. Are you saying the church decides if you are saved or not, like the church puts in a good word for you to Jesus or something. I don’t think that’s what you’re saying but for some reason my brain isn’t computing
@Kingofkings07133
@Kingofkings07133 3 ай бұрын
Ok so there’s a few important points here. First off there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church like VOR said. Now when he said that if you die and end up in heaven then you were a part of the church what he means is that a person was mystically joined to the church in a way known only to God. While we are saved through the Catholic Church because it is the true church of Jesus Christ and we are given the sacraments, God is also not bound to the sacraments.
@TheRedWolf43
@TheRedWolf43 3 ай бұрын
@@Kingofkings07133 so now I’m setting here thinking if God can mystically say a person is a part of the church and is therefore saved, what is the point of there being a church in the first place? Why won’t God just save everyone regardless of their beliefs? By this logic, in my mind right now, no one should ever go to hell barring they commit some kind of great act of evil like premeditated murder. I’m not trying to be a jerk here but it’s not making sense to me. I get that God works in ways beyond our comprehension, but I’m not getting this reasoning.
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 3 ай бұрын
@@TheRedWolf43People go to hell. Jesus mentions hell more than heaven. People by their own free choice choose hell instead of heaven. Also God began a Church it is physical meaning houses of worship, church governance, education of the faith and invisible made up of the body of believers.
@Kingofkings07133
@Kingofkings07133 3 ай бұрын
@@TheRedWolf43 because salvation is through the church of Christ. You really rather gamble your salvation by straying away from his church? That just sounds pure stupid. God won’t save everyone regardless if their beliefs because first off we see the importance of correct doctrine in scripture and second because God doesn’t owe salvation to anyone, it’s a gift. Since there are people who willing bash and hate his church he doesn’t have to save them just like he doesn’t need to save anyone. Also, these people choose to not believe in what he has divinely revealed through his church. It seems that your not getting the reasoning because you don’t understand Catholic doctrine
@TheRedWolf43
@TheRedWolf43 3 ай бұрын
@@Kingofkings07133 and I get that, salvation is through Jesus Christ, but to say your only saved if you are catholic but then turn around and say a person who is not a member of the church can be a part of the church because God says doesn’t make sense. Either only members of the Catholic Church are saved, or all Christian who believe that Jesus died for our sins are saved through Him, including orthodox and Protestant. But it can’t be you have to be a member of the church, then not be a member of the church, die, go to heaven and find out you are a part of the church even though you’re not
@travisgray8376
@travisgray8376 3 ай бұрын
Hey im Catholic ive done the communion and the other one. So im Catholic and baptise so im saved right? As long as i keep confessing my sins in confession n keep taking the Erucrist I should be saved right?
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
Oh, every real Roman Catholic knows that he can never have any inward assurance of his salvation! "Blessed assurance" is just for those Protestant Christians! LOL.
@leeveronie7850
@leeveronie7850 3 күн бұрын
Congrats Alex, You now have a New Follower of Your Works .... Thank You, Thank You, Thank You !!!! and God Bless You !!!
@Gio-ce8ob
@Gio-ce8ob 3 ай бұрын
I’d like to throw this out. Of the Ten Commandments the second commandment was intended specifically for worshipping false gods not images of Christ or YHWH. So how would Protestants have a problem with something that worships the True God?
@sbblando8533
@sbblando8533 3 ай бұрын
Correct. They have a false understanding of idolatry. It means worshipping something that is not God. They also fail to understand the context of this commandment. The Israelites just came out of Egypt where they were slaves. Their gods were portrayed to be part-animal. You can search up Ancient Egyptian gods. That's why God - the true God - commanded this. Because He knows they still carry that type of Egyptian worship with them.
@katerinejonhson4416
@katerinejonhson4416 3 ай бұрын
Psalm 115:2 2 Why do the nations say, “Where is their God?” 3 Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him. 4 But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands. 5 They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. 6 They have ears, but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell. 7 They have hands, but cannot feel, feet, but cannot walk, nor can they utter a sound with their throats. 8 Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.
@johnsix.51-69
@johnsix.51-69 3 ай бұрын
Imagine leaving the Armenian church for protestantism. I'd be proud of my nation being the first Christian nation in the world from 300AD. I say this as a catholic. As for Gavin's video he refutes himself in literally 5 seconds. "Protestantism traces its origins back to the 16th century." Imagine stopping at the 1500s and not going all the way back to Christ. This was his reply @TruthUnites 1 day ago "this claim simply misunderstands. Protestantism does not claim to be the church, or a church. Rather, it claims to be a renewal movement within the church. So it is totally fine to have origins in the 16th century. We are not claiming the church began then." It's also funny that protestants were persecuting each other during the reformation. They definitely wouldn't agree with Gavin's "we are all one" belief. At 34:00 Speaking of God breathed... John 20: 21Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
@CaptainKzer
@CaptainKzer 3 ай бұрын
I wish you gave more examples in your rejection of some points - because while for you it may be easy to say "veneration of icons is common in the patristic age" to someone who isn't sure where to go for proof of the claim it just becomes a "he-said she--said" game instead of an actual argument. For example, even pointing out something simple like saying "Mary's title as 'mother of God' was defined at the council of Ephesus in the 400's, 1000 years before Protestantism began" could be really useful to a protestant who doesn't have the framework to understand what councils are or why they're important
@dbzdragon7155
@dbzdragon7155 3 ай бұрын
If you think protestants are ill-informed on church history; what would be a good book to read to survey early church history to start gaining a level of understanding? What are your thoughts on the historical understanding of the average Christian regardless of denomination? I am personally nondenominational and have been attending an Anglican church in Southeast Asia. It is a conflict like this that causes me to learn more and walk into finding an answer. I have reservations about the Catholic Church and there are certain doctrinal things I disagree with, many of them I think are secondary to the withholding of communion from those outside of the Catholic Church. The Eucharist is vitally important to the Faith and I think conservation and understanding on that topic is more important then the secondary topics many of us get bogged down by in disagreement.
@StringofPearls55
@StringofPearls55 3 ай бұрын
Off the top of my head... The Father's Know Best, Jimmy Akin and The Early Church was the Catholic Church, Joe Heschmeyer. Both of those authors are Catholic. You can also go straight to the actual early writtings of Ignatius of Antioch, a diciple of the John the Apostle, Confessions by Saint Augustine, Against Heresies by St. Irenaeus. The last three mentioned predate the canon. The Didache is one of the earliest, if not the earliest, church writtings we have. There's many, many more. God bless you in your journey.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
Just don't start worshiping the wafers. Catholics do that, you know.
@aussierob7177
@aussierob7177 3 ай бұрын
Why does a Protestant ignore the Scriptures concerning certain "works" we are commanded to do for salvation.? They always say you are saved by the blood of Christ on the cross and not by any works. And when i tell them there are works we are commanded to do. They come back with the same retort. Is something wrong with them ? Once they see the word 'works" their brain must shut down and refuse to believe there are works that we must do. The Catholic Church is ONE. She acknowledges one Lord, confesses one faith, is born of one Baptism, forms only one Body, is given life by the one Spirit, for the sake of one hope. The Protestant Church is MANY. It does not acknowledge one Lord. It does not confess one faith. It is not born of one Baptism. It does not form only one Body. It is not given life by the one Spirit. The Catholic Church is HOLY. The most Holy God is her author.,Christ , her bridegroom. The Spirit of holiness gives her life. Her holiness shines in the saints. In Mary, she is already all holy. The Protestant Church is NOT holy. Martin Luther is its author. No Spirit of holiness to give it life. The saints do not shine in this Church Mary has nothing to do with this Church.
@pemcortes9467
@pemcortes9467 3 ай бұрын
Yup, pride makes their brain shut down on rebuttals. Spirit of rebellion of Lucifer emanation.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
As a former cradle Catholic, here's why Protestants object to your statement that we are commanded to do works for salvation. According to the Bible, God calls the believer to cooperate with the indwelling Holy Spirit, who both _leads us in what good works to do_ and _enables us_ to do those good works. When we do the works, we should be acting in love (for God & neighbor) and simple obedience, with no selfish motive. These are the works that will not be burned up at the judgment, and we may actually get a reward in addition to our salvation because we _allowed God to work in and through us to accomplish the works._ The works are not our own. We do not merit anything by our works. If we do get any extra reward in the afterlife, that is by grace also! (Grace means: unmerited, undeserved favor.) So let's return to what you stated: "certain "works" we are commanded to do _for salvation."_ Do you see the problem yet? You're saying that salvation is contingent upon the doing of works. Works-based salvation is wrong, and any priest worth his salt will tell you that salvation is _a gift_ from God. Eternal life is given to us _by God's grace_ in response to faith (and not works, see Eph. 2 and Gal. 3). In response to our faith, God accounts us righteous (just) _apart from works_ (Romans 3:28-4:10,22-25).' That is why it is inaccurate to say what you've been saying. If you want to be Biblically accurate, say instead that the redeemed Christian _should_ do works _subsequent to and in keeping with_ salvation. But realize that none of us cooperate _perfectly_ with the Holy Spirit, and we all fall short. James 2:10 says if a person breaks one commandment, he is as guilty as if he'd broken all of them; this is why we rely by faith upon the propitiation Jesus made for our sins and we believe we are forgiven, because God is no longer judging us by our performance. He's seeing us through the cleansing power of the blood of Jesus Christ and the righteousness of Christ, who took our penalty for us! Now you might be thinking, what about James' statements about dead faith without works? Here's how to understand that. Paul explained in Romans 4 that we are justified in the eyes of God through faith. But James explained in his letter that we are justified in the eyes _of men_ by our deeds; faith is invisible and cannot be seen, but true living faith always should (and usually does) result in good works that can be seen. Our works therefore are evidence to human observers of whether our faith is living or "dead" (fake). Yet we must reconcile this with Paul's writings by concluding that God, who knows the heart, doesn't need to see works to know whether we have living faith. He simply knows!! And if God knows that our faith is genuine, He accounts (imputes) His righteousness to us, _gratis,_ even before we lift a finger to do a single good work! 😊 Glory to God!
@aussierob7177
@aussierob7177 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 I understand any works we do are not for our own benefit. But you can lose your salvation by not doing what God tells us to do.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
@@aussierob7177 You wrote: "But you can lose your salvation by not doing what God tells us to do." I want you to think a little deeper about that. Where does God draw the line? The first commandment is to love God with all our heart, soul and mind. Do you succeed in doing that, to perfection, 24/7? I know I don't. I fall short every day. So we all are sinners saved by grace, and were this not so we would probably lose our salvationour very first day of being a Christian! Do you see now? If God judges you by whether you do *everything* He told you to do, you're sunk! So when you say, "you can lose your salvation by not doing what God tells us to do," you are confessing that you cannot be saved, because you will fail to do many things that God tells you to do. We all screw up and fail to recognize what the Spirit is telling us at times. There are many sins of omission, in addition to sins of commission. But if Jesus Christ paid our debt of sin on the cross, we will not be condemned for those failures. Even if we mess up a hundred times per day. Does that mean we cannot lose our salvation? No, we can lose our salvation. If we fail to continue in faith and we fall away from Christ, we can lose our salvation. Not persevering in our trust in Christ's propitiation, deciding to reject the gift of grace, becoming an atheist.... those are great ways to lose salvation. But not about works, it's about faith in God. It's about trusting Christ or not trusting in Christ, rather than God measuring our performance. It has to be that way, because if God uses a measure of our performance, then _none of us_ will be saved. We all are complete failures at being good, as God (in His perfection) measures goodness. Peace.
@aussierob7177
@aussierob7177 3 ай бұрын
@@rexlion4510 Our Lord warns us we will be separated from him forever unless we meet the needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren. Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.. Baptism is necessary for salvation. It is by what they have done for the poor, that Jesus Christ will recognise his chosen ones. Shall i continue ?
@dankmatter3068
@dankmatter3068 3 ай бұрын
Protestants when they find out Catholics wrote the bible: 😶 Edit: Should have said made the bible, too many purists in comments who can't take a joke with a sprinkle of truth.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet
@ASMRyouVEGANyet 3 ай бұрын
Lmao. So, all the prophets were Catholic? 😂 Catholics didn't WRITE the Bible, they compiled it.
@erenjaeger1738
@erenjaeger1738 3 ай бұрын
The bible wasn't made by Catholics XD it was written by Hebrews and greeks XD. Way before catholicsXD
@dankmatter3068
@dankmatter3068 3 ай бұрын
@@erenjaeger1738 We put the bible as we know it today together. It was translated by St. Jerome, a Catholic Saint for starters. From greek to Latin.
@erenjaeger1738
@erenjaeger1738 3 ай бұрын
@dankmatter3068 Buddy XD this post said wrote. Sure translations. But never written by a Catholic. That's my point
@dankmatter3068
@dankmatter3068 3 ай бұрын
@@chonk6683 You call yourself a christian, treating others like this?
@Ahope4444
@Ahope4444 Ай бұрын
Perfectly said brother. Keep it up!! 🙏🙌🕊
@marcocortes9968
@marcocortes9968 3 ай бұрын
As a protestant, who follows Sola Scriptura I want Catholics and Orthodox to know that they are straw manning our position a lot. We believe The Chruch Fathers have authority, The Magisterium has authority, but the only Infallible authority is the Scripture. I defintely believe Jesus gave a special authority to his apotles that no one else has. However, they were not infallible people, and even with their authority, would also make mistakes because they are still human. Example: Peter at one point was straying away from the gospel and Paul had to correct him (Galatians 2:14). I believe the Scripture is infallible and that is why whenever a christian is to distinguish between a false teaching and a true one, you always go to scripture. As a protestant, I can definitely accept the interpretation of the catholic church and its authority when it comes to the Trinity and the selection of the New Testament cannon, however there are other doctrines they hold that aren’t biblically sound and that’s why I reject it. One Ex: Mary being sinless, maintaining her virginity after Jesus, her having an immaculate conception and ascending into heaven.
@robertrazon8009
@robertrazon8009 3 ай бұрын
New subscriber here I too need to study history.
@clementejr
@clementejr 3 ай бұрын
You should ask Ruslan to appear on his channel, which previously featured Catholic apologist Trent Horn! He's a great guy! For those who are misinterpreting him in the comments, he is actually cool dude to have conversations with! ❤
@user-gm4yc1mg8b
@user-gm4yc1mg8b 3 ай бұрын
Where do you get all those books behind you ?
@susluke
@susluke 3 ай бұрын
Well then why would he read The Bible which was compiled by The Early Church Father's who were clearly Catholic and had compiled a book called the Didache explaining the True presence of Jesus Christ in The Holy Eucharist. Godbless 🙏🙏🙏
@EasternChristian333
@EasternChristian333 3 ай бұрын
I mean...isn't it kinda obvious guys? St John the BAPTIST!!! Not St John the "catholic"... (Yes this is sarcasm but I have legitimately had protestants make this claim to me online)
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 3 ай бұрын
🤦
@iu9142
@iu9142 3 ай бұрын
Lol😂
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 3 ай бұрын
LOL
@travisgray8376
@travisgray8376 3 ай бұрын
I thought U were serious til I read the bottom lol can't believe someone would make that claim. That's like saying Alexander the great is great cuz it's in his name lol
@EasternChristian333
@EasternChristian333 3 ай бұрын
@@travisgray8376 Hey man it takes a village when it comes to protestantism.
@pop6997
@pop6997 3 ай бұрын
Ha, I follow Ruslan & Co. I find his takes interesting. Not always very knowledgable of actual history...but interesting. Love him a lot, but I've literally witnessed him read news out loud and over the really 'good' takes that agree with his sentimentality, but not his 'protesting' skip with a, 'eh.yeah errr, yeah.....lets move on'... ...'Next' - 'Too Catholic' Still love him. He has a cool channel & very good presentation, but he even ties himself up in knots. Ha ha. He knows....he just has decided it might be better to rule here than serve there. Age old, and we're all fighting that. Thanks ❤
@apostolicapologetics4829
@apostolicapologetics4829 3 ай бұрын
@32:10 How does Ruslan know if he has the correct canon of scripture without the councils?
@fivevs1
@fivevs1 3 ай бұрын
I’ve never met a protestant that firmly and thoroughly knew church history and remained protestant. in fact, most of the protestants I personally know I’ve been told or advised not to read that material. I find that rather telling. you made a point at about the 30 minute mark about the patristic age and when it was, and you’re completely correct about that by the way. However, it is possible to stick to about 200 years and limit your sources to apostles, people directly taught by an apostle, or people who were taught by someone who is directly taught by an apostle and still refute everything in protestantism. Joel Herschmayer has a wonderful book about this, but be warned if you pick it up because it’s a thick read.
@quantumcryptographer3998
@quantumcryptographer3998 3 ай бұрын
Haha protestants youtubers.😂😂😂
@the1allahprays2
@the1allahprays2 3 ай бұрын
Ruslan saying he knows church history literally hurts me. The cringe levels are off the charts. The amount of mistakes he makes anytime he tries to talk church history is astounding. He enjoys being a protestsnt is because its lazy Christian lite.
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 3 ай бұрын
Who has "debunked" whom is very much a matter of opinion and perspective. It is no better to say that Ortlund has been debunked than for anyone to say that you have been debunked.
@freebased_boomer709
@freebased_boomer709 3 ай бұрын
Fascinating. This gets right to the heart of the matter
@gda86pl
@gda86pl 3 ай бұрын
I don't expect him to respond to this. It is more comfortable to live as protestant.
@glorytahj
@glorytahj 3 ай бұрын
No way Protestants saying this now
@derekhenretta33
@derekhenretta33 2 ай бұрын
keep your videos coming brother you are fire!!!
@manuelcuenca77
@manuelcuenca77 3 ай бұрын
Friends let's be charitable, and pray for one another to all be united and grounded in truth.
@jakubwawrzyczek886
@jakubwawrzyczek886 3 ай бұрын
Trent - Protestants are condemn 2 Vatican - actually they are our disconnected brothers 😂
@kevinj7520
@kevinj7520 3 ай бұрын
Ruslan tell me you don’t know church history without telling me you don’t know church history. 😂
@sololoquy3783
@sololoquy3783 3 ай бұрын
Whether they want it or not, we all look up to the magisterium for matter of faith. Many protestant churches, still look up to the catholic magisterium to settle ethical dilemma/political issues. The papal authority is granted not through force, but simply truth.
@gwendolynnorton6329
@gwendolynnorton6329 3 ай бұрын
That’s the thing, he say’s Catholic means global. It does not Catholic means universal. Big difference. We are talking about the Church militant ( the Church on earth) and the Church triumphant ( the Church in heaven) the communion of saints
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@gwendolynnorton6329 True but is he trying to say that Catholic means inclusive of all religions? which is absolute ignorance. The term “Catholic” is in the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds, and many Protestants, claiming the term for themselves, give it a meaning that is unsupported historically, ignoring the term’s use at the time the creeds were written. Early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes: “As regards ‘Catholic,’ its original meaning was ‘universal’ or ‘general.’ . . . in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations (cf., e.g., Muratorian Canon). . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church” (Early Christian Doctrines, 190-1). Thus people who recite the creeds mentally inserting another meaning for “Catholic” are reinterpreting them according to a modern preference, much as a liberal biblical scholar does with Scripture texts offensive to contemporary sensibilities.
@marknovetske4738
@marknovetske4738 Күн бұрын
Thanks for the depth of your scholarship
@MrsYasha1984
@MrsYasha1984 3 ай бұрын
Small correction: You said the protestant beliefs started in the middle ages. But I'd say that would be more renaissance than middle ages. Even if you count the renaissance toward the late middle age, the MA ends 1500, because of the reformation. Which technically would mean that the ideas were born IN the middle ages, but startet the early new age. since the marker of the middle ages is 'catholic europe', 500-1500AD, it is not really fitting in my opinion and could give people wrong mental image.
@benclark1482
@benclark1482 3 ай бұрын
Ruslan overstates his compotents a lot. I watched him while I was protestant and I had to stop because I saw this a lot. He usually just gets all his knowledge from KZbin and Wikipedia like the rest of us but he acts like he's wiser.
@tunefevertv735
@tunefevertv735 2 ай бұрын
I am a Protestant. It is certainly the case that lots of Protestant churches teach a false gospel. I also believe that Roman Catholicism teaches a false gospel. Christians (including Jesus) have always believed and taught that those who believe the true gospel are saved by the grace of God. We are NOT saved by or through any church. Anyone who believes the true gospel is saved, and thereby members of the true church.
@therese6447
@therese6447 3 ай бұрын
Alex do that rebuttal video! You are spot on!
@CenterPorchNP
@CenterPorchNP 2 ай бұрын
I did a history study. Veneration of Mary and the saints started before the church was the Catholic Church. While Christians were still being martyred. Before the edict of Milan.
@SevereFamine
@SevereFamine 3 ай бұрын
Excellent quote about the definition of “Catholic” as seen by St. Augustine, whom many Protestants claim in their ignorance: “For in the Catholic Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a few spiritual men attain in this life, so as to know it, in the scantiest measure, indeed, because they are but men, still without any uncertainty (since the rest of the multitude derive their entire security not from acuteness of intellect, but from simplicity of faith,)- not to speak of this wisdom, which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should, though from the slowness of our understanding, or the small attainment of our life, the truth may not yet fully disclose itself. But with you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me, the promise of truth is the only thing that comes into play. Now if the truth is so clearly proved as to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things that keep me in the Catholic Church; but if there is only a promise without any fulfillment, no one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion.”
@dentryn4365
@dentryn4365 3 ай бұрын
@SevereFamine Another excellent definition regarding the term "Catholic" The term “Catholic” is in the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds, and many Protestants, claiming the term for themselves, give it a meaning that is unsupported historically, ignoring the term’s use at the time the creeds were written. Early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes: “As regards ‘Catholic,’ its original meaning was ‘universal’ or ‘general.’ . . . in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations (cf., e.g., Muratorian Canon). . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church” (Early Christian Doctrines, 190-1). Thus people who recite the creeds mentally inserting another meaning for “Catholic” are reinterpreting them according to a modern preference, much as a liberal biblical scholar does with Scripture texts offensive to contemporary sensibilities.
@riki101
@riki101 3 ай бұрын
Even the crucifixion and resurrection that all Christians believe was preached by the Catholic church by the apostles. this is why even though you may not be catholic you can be saved, because you have believed in a teaching that the catholic church preached since the early days of Christianity so what you said about there is no salvation outside the catholic church makes sense when questioning if protestants can be saved, they can, because whether they realize it or not some of their beliefs are from the catholic church
@jjpom9538
@jjpom9538 3 ай бұрын
Super inspiring! This guy knows a ton!
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