Debunking Orthodox Kyle and Eastern Orthodoxy

[@rsissel1]

EO here. I love your videos, particularly this one clarifying Catholic and Orthodox teachings and practices. As a former anti-Catholic Protestant, I'm particularly sensitive to straw-man arguments against any Christian tradition. I find that your videos to be helpful in clarifying some of these.

[@CatholicCanadianConservative]

I love your honesty brother !

[@JamesRoe-w8v]

Mussolini refunded the Vatican Catholic church. He also was Hitler's main spiritual teacher.and attacked the Ethiopian Christian Church. And why is there pagan statues all over the Vatican? Because Mussolini had demons and he decorated the place.

[@ChronicAndIronic]

Same here, i grew up anti catholic and now im looking to be Cath or Ortho

[@glorytahj]

This is how we should be even if we aren’t unified, I’m catholic but I still watch some orthodox creators and stuff cuz we were once one and we share the same history

[@ci6516]

@@glorytahjhey brother RC here, what I found , is that Catholics tend to love and appreciate EO, but EO looks down on us. They throw accusations and act very prideful as if we weren’t together for 1000 years. I told a friend who is EO about the council of Florence in 1400, in which all but one EO agreed to recommunion with Rome . He said the reason they backed out was because when the bishops went home they were murdered by vigilante civilians. He went on to say those peolle saved the church . This is what we’re dealing with . It’s very sad . Why do people want to be right so bad ?? He’s the same person who will say how important it is to have a bishop in your life to guide you , but then also says it was the right thing to rebel with violence when all bishops through intercession of the Holy Spirit said reunion was best . But no, He says “we don’t want to be RC” Even though they wouldn’t , nothing would change by rejoining . They’d still be the eastern rite

[@nickybats5736]

AS EASTERN ORTHODOX I LOVE MY CATHOLIC BROTHERS AND SISTERS

[@Nordicpitbull]

Right back at you! 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@EdwardBray-i1w]

Bless you brother!!!

[@chemisalas5348]

As a Catholic i love my orthodox brothers!

[@otisdreading]

We love you guys too.

[@MikeDamtew]

I love u my Catholic brothers and sister Stay united... Pls stay united.... For the sake of all the true grandfathers of our church who were defending and killed... All over the world particularly.... Europe( italy, Greek, Russia. Easter Europe...) Middle east. Egypt Alexandria.... Ethiopia..... Do not forget all middle east used to be Orthodox and Catholic.. Since 500AD they killed our fathers and mothers brothers sisters.... We are the children of the Almighty god... The father the son and the holy spirit.. Amen..... We never were religious... We are the followers of our father.... King of kings.... Jesus christ our savior and virgin mary is our church..... We adore the kingdom of our father..... We are saved under his wings....❤❤❤❤❤.... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 pls i want to cry pls pls brother don't argue just lets teach and guide each one of us..... Our enemy is stronger than ever before...... I am Ethiopian Orthodox ..god bless my brothers and sis ..... I love you

[@insanity1604]

I’ve been waiting for Voice of Reason to respond to kyle, he has so many videos criticizing Catholicism with hardly anyone responding. Keep up the good work 🇻🇦✝️

[@SuperOverlord999]

Because his arguments are good.

[@vingitamsjr]

@@SuperOverlord999 Of course not, his arguments are as weak as RadTrads and sedevacantists.

[@insanity1604]

@@SuperOverlord999 did you see his response? he doesn’t really address what voice of reason said he just restates what he said in his original video and doesn’t really add to anything

[@Phoenix-zf1mu]

So many disagreements between both, one thing I thank to the Catholics and orthodox is that they got me out of the non denominational

[@IveSeenSupernatural]

tbh this guy VoR seems to have bias takes, im more than sure Kyle or Jay Dyer will make a video debunking some of his bias takes here....anybody who argues for cath so much , is just arguing for the label.,. the RCC has 100% been hijacked by wolves, hes just afraid to admit it

[@tobiasgriffin]

I'm like you, but my family are non denominations, but are christian, will they still go to hevan?

[@Cklert]

@@tobiasgriffin We don't know. We're not God. That's between them and Him. All we can do is try to get them as close to Him as possible.

[@Phoenix-zf1mu]

@@tobiasgriffin I personally think if they truly love god, they follow every commandments that Jesus left us, they would be save. Sola scripture has been debunked multiple times and one thing I know so far is that Catholics and orthodox don’t do that, reformation came in the 1500s which is silly so for us thinking that we know more than the church fathers, men that they were in the pinnacle of Christianity. It is very hard to choose between Catholics and orthodox, I personally choose orthodox because i feel like the spirit led me there and so far i can’t complain about the church but if i had to choose between catholic or non denominational, i would choose catholic 1 billion times and my family is non denominational as well 🙃

[@stickmastergib3665]

⁠@@tobiasgriffin I would point you to what VOR referred to as “invincible ignorance.” Salvation is surely possible for your non-denominational family, but don’t let that stop you from praying for them!

[@peterhenryzepeda3484]

His videos on Catholicism are all the same “Catholics are modernists, because….” Then he shows the same photos of John Paul II kissing the “Quran”.

[@IveSeenSupernatural]

and how are they NOT? woud paul or peter kiss the q?

[@UnknownsoldieroftheLORD]

​@IveSeenSupernatural Voice of reason explained what happened, did you not watch the video

[@IveSeenSupernatural]

@@UnknownsoldieroftheLORD can you time stamp it for me? im sure he has an 'explanation' and i know why the pope tries to converse with 1$lam..but can you answer? would paul or peter etc, ever kiss the Q? we both know the answer is NO, so "explained" to you is "excuse" to rest of us....

[@UnknownsoldieroftheLORD]

@IveSeenSupernatural The explanation is that in the group, there were also muslims, which handed over the Quran. And since all the copies of the Gospel he kissed were in arabic, he did not notice the difference between the Quran (nor between people).... none of the Apostles would kiss the quran, and neither the Pope would willingly do that. That was just a mistake due to his lack of knowledge of the books in that language, he thought it was another Gosple handed over to him, not the quran. You are really thinking he knew what the quran was, how it looked like, and that he could distinguish it with another book in arabic, which he could not understand? Do you really think he did that willingly, and therefore, you think "Islam is the truth." Man, if you do, you are really delusional. The explanation is just saying what really happened and what the situation really was. Do you really think that saying what the real situation was is an excuse🥴? You guys are grabbing at straws for the delusiom 🥴

[@IveSeenSupernatural]

@@UnknownsoldieroftheLORD do think he did it willingly? YES, do i think you got fed a lie to make you not question it? yes do i know how easy it is to lie to the public? yes..(9/11) you think im gullible just as much as i think you re i guess oh well🤷‍ satan at work in your church IMO and creating an alliance with MoMOs behind doors, while telling you "it was an accident" is right up his alley of plans isnt V2 trying to amend relations with 1$lam? would peter do that? or condemn it to H?

[@AlejandroDiaz-xz9to]

After almost a year of attempting to discern between orthodoxy and Catholicism, I was scheduled to start catechism classes next week at an Orthodox Church. Today I was really at a crossroads questioning whether or not I had made the right decision. I prayed that God would guide me unto the truth. Soon after, I stumbled across this video. After watching it in its entirety, the questions and doubts I had about Catholicism have been alleviated. I am utterly convinced that the Catholic Church is the true church established by Christ. I will be starting OCIA later this month. Glory be to God ✝️

[@humbirdms2784]

All praise to our Lord Jesus Christ. Welcome home to the Holy Catholix Church. It'll be the best choice you could of ever made

[@otisdreading]

Welcome!

[@ci6516]

They’re both good churches and honestly it doesn’t matter . This argument is for bishops . Just learn to be a Christian and help the world

[@Fac35437]

You left your entire salvation on the luck of finding a KZbin video, and then changed your mind because of one guy who calls himself an eastern orthodox in communion with rome?

[@The_WatchList]

May I suggest another video my brother?

[@elpatron6537]

Finally someone with reason debunking Kyle. His disrespect towards Catholicism is ridiculous.

[@humbirdms2784]

Beyond that. His heart might be in the right place for christ but he acts like a spoiled brat taking unnecessary jabs at the holy church baised off of bad teaching from the likes of Mr Marshall. Mr Marshall should be ashamed and embarrassed on his bad teachings

[@whoputyouontheplanet3345]

You might even say he's....the voice of reason.

[@Onlyafool172]

​​@@humbirdms2784i wonder if both of them will be condemmed for it, their slander is ridiculous

[@GogglesOstrich]

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 11:6 ESV But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. Romans 6:23 ESV For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. ❤✝️

[@eddardgreybeard]

@@GogglesOstrich "free gift" is a redundant term, since nobody pays for a gift. However, because it is a gift doesn't mean there aren't terms for accepting it. You need to tell me how those passages from Ephesians and Romans jive with 1 cor 6:9-10. I'm curious if there was a gospel for Rome and Ephesus and a separate one for Corinth, or maybe you just misunderstood what Paul was saying in those other two books because he certainly said you couldn't live a certain way and still get into Heaven.

[@SUDMONEYBAGS]

As a Orthobro I love my Catho-Bros

[@Landoor]

based

[@planteruines5619]

may we be united under the name of Christ , and that humility heal the schism

[@crushtheserpent]

The feeling is mutual :)

[@GranMaese]

And most of us Catholics also love our Orthobros. May we be united as one single church again.

[@jakajakos]

Same brother ✝️❤☦

[@kevinninja787]

LOL you're going to stir up a hornets nest with this one my Brother in Christ!

[@kevinninja787]

@BrotherinChr1st Wait I'm confused. VOR isn't calling out the Catholic Church here, so why would anyone refute him?

[@humbirdms2784]

More like a bunch of fruit flies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@roeseldelgado]

sedevecantist?

[@bikesrcool_1958]

Brother in Christ pls learn that not everything is a red herring, or to be taken as an actual debate statement.

[@littlerock5256]

@@roeseldelgado Sede impedita.

[@adrienlyon8139]

I used to watch Kyle as a Protestant and I thank God for him that I came to Orthodoxy, and through the eastern orthodox I finally came to the Catholic Church.

[@romanromanchuk7718]

What convinced you to believe in Vatican 2?

[@t.d6379]

Great, what a ride! God has truly blessed your St Paul like journey! Now it's your duty to help others come home.

[@romanromanchuk7718]

@@t.d6379 come home to the Vatican 2 church?

[@nohandle-n9l]

I was a Roman Catholic who had a bit of a Protestant phase and I am glad Kyle helped me get into the EO but I am also glad that I don't follow him anymore

[@catholicismwow5406]

​@romanromanchuk7718 the one, true Church

[@jesuscortez3107]

I pray for the unification of the Catholic and Orthodox Church

[@EmmaHurst-j7f]

Thank you so much for sharing this! I am a convert to Catholicism and was so dismayed to come accross Taylor Marshall’s content in the midst of all the great Catholic content out there. I’m really surprised that more Catholic YTers don’t speak out about what he says but there we go. Thanks for this. In a new subscriber!

[@humbirdms2784]

Mr Marshall should of been called out a long time ago. He should be ashamed of himself epically spreading lies about the pope and other dangerous mis info

[@bigbangcesar]

“Kyle, you tell’em baby! Kyle’s my man, I love Kyle!🤣 Homie went from debunking to straight up brotherly adornment in the span of an hour LoL

[@MJO294]

Wake up!!! Voice of reason just dropped 🗣️ it feels like years since I was waiting for this video.. so excited to watch.

[@Philip__325]

His first name is “Confused” and his last name is Kyle.

[@LionOf.Christ]

I'm Coptic Orthodox from Egypt and love everyone in Christ ♥️☦️✝️

[@RicardoRazoo]

I'm Coptic Orthodox from Mexico God bless you brother 🙏🏻

[@fidelcashflo8129]

Be careful brother. The ortho fans on that side of the internet tend to be overly hostile and chronically online.

[@Patel-Chirag-Gupta]

​@@legomego123 try regular Christianity. no need for labels...just the belief in God.

[@Sanfu69]

@@Patel-Chirag-Guptathat chill cross-less regular Christianity that takes no hard stances on crucial doctrines taught by Christ himself regarding ordinances and the spiritual life but still calls itself “Christianity” for religious affirmation.

[@Patel-Chirag-Gupta]

@@Sanfu69 you have the idea that regular Christianity is cross-less but i respectfully disagree. i genuinely hope that you realize the error in that idea and i hope that God helps you with it. if God wills, i do my best to clear your idea on regular Christianity up. lets imagine i broke the law by going too fast in a nice mclaren 720s. im on the expressway doing 220mph. but then, in the middle of speeding, i go past a speed check and the cops start to come after me. but because im in such a fast car, i have a good feeling about the whole situation and then run from the police and try to get away. and i do get away.. until the fast car runs out of fuel, and i stop on the side of the road. i ran out of gas because i was already going fast, and then wasted EVEN MORE gas running from the police. so now im stopped on the side of the road, and the police that chased after me catches up. they see my car stopped on the side of the road, gets me out of the car, and sends me to go to the judge. now im infront of the judge and im told that because i was speeding so fast, i have to pay a big expensive fine. but i cant afford to pay that expensive fine.. i only had enough for the fast car and nice house but that was pretty much it.. i dont have enough money to pay the big expensive fine. and i tell the judge that, and the judge looks at me and says, "well as much as i would love to let you go, i have to uphold the law because it is my job." but then as the judge speaks, a man.. a man in red clothes with an unshaven beard, unshaven hair, and holes in His hands walks up to the judge and pays the expenisve fine for me. and now i dont have to pay anything. now i am free from having to pay that expensive fine. and the judge lets me go free. "oh happy days‼️" (when Jesus washed all my sins away) thats what Jesus Christ did for us. thats the beliefs of the regular Christians. sin is the speeding. sin = breaking the speed limit. breaking the speed limit = breaking the law. i get caught and brought to the judge and have to pay a big expensive fine... i have to pay for my sins with the punishment of death.. because if you sin, you get punished. but i cant pay for my sins. because id have to die in order to do that.. but Jesus did. Jesus died and took on our punishment of sin so we dont have to take that punishment ourselves.... then rose 3 days later with all power in His hands. as you may know back in the Moses/Aaron times, *T H E G E N U I N E F I R S T C H U R C H E S T A B L I S H E D B Y G O D* in order to clean themselves from sin, members of the congregation would take an animal and offer it up for sacrafice to God. in order to be clean from sin, they would have to make a blood sacrafice to God. they would have to use a goat or a lamb or a cow.. but keep in mind the animal itself had to be spotless. without blemish. thats Jesus. and this if fact. He cleans us from our sin. His blood was spilled for us to be clean.. and He was spotless. sinless. no blemish. The Lamb Of God. The King Of Kings. due to His actions, we regular Christians are no longer held back by death. it has no sting anymore. it cant hurt us.. all because Jesus rose from the dead, and defeated death. when we people, as Christians believe in God, we are covered by what Jesus did, and it then applies to us. we are delivered from evil. we regular Christians arent perfect, but Jesus is, and we believe in Him. we sin alot, but Jesus never sinned... and we believe in Him. we call out evil for what it is aswell. and that is one thing that Jesus did too. and we Love. just like Jesus does. our emotions come from Him. and its only better that He is inside us and we are inside Him. it is written "...for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." this is what we regular Christians believe in. Jesus Christ. God. Trust in God. not in anyone else. God, and God alone. Him exclusively. and get to know Him. so you dont go calling His children and servants, "cross-less" when you read His books with His words in them, dont go looking for yourself... look for Him.🤍🤍🤍

[@Patel-Chirag-Gupta]

@@Sanfu69 also notice how you combatted Christianity.. rather than give the person up above a good reason to go with what YOU believe in... notice the little things.

[@Sanfu69]

@@Patel-Chirag-Gupta seems it hit a nail with you and you felt a need to have to defend your own presuppositions. The truth is one is not a follower of Christ because one announces himself to be so neither because he chooses one of the modern day appropriations of Christianity where men get up and in their own authority teach their congregations mutually exclusive beliefs about the things Christ taught. And no Jesus is not fire insurance, it’s not just about you, and what will happen after you die. It’s about reconciliation to God and that takes place by actually pursuing God in the life Jesus taught his apostles to live, the same way passed down in the church. The devils know Jesus died and rose again. Jesus indeed finished his work, but you don’t partake of it by saying you acknowledge it but then take no serious consideration in the actual prescriptions and way of life Jesus taught. Because that would be like saying you believe in the doctor, you even called the doctor, you talk about how you’re a patient but then you act like his prescriptions are not a big deal to take seriously to follow. This is why Jesus the Son of God in the flesh said “few will be saved” when someone asked him in the gospels. There’s the narrow way the way Jesus taught his apostles to abide in to be saved and participate in the kingdom of God on this earth and then there’s the very me-centered perspective on the gospel that is all too common.

[@St.MosestheBlack]

Im EO and I will say Kyle is not a representative of Orthodoxy. Just a KZbinr. Id reference the Alexandrian and Chieti documents to inquire about how the Early Church functioned. God bless.

[@humbirdms2784]

Idk I'm pretty sure Mr Kyle thinks he's 100% Orthodox whether he truly represents the faith or not. I'll say for sure he's definitely a youtuber about it, even tho he lacks a lot of basic knowledge to speak on the matter. We have to pray for him because he's heart in the right place tho😊

[@otisdreading]

All good, we know he doesn’t represent you guys authentically. It is always the denomination hoppers that make us both look bad. EO and CC belong in communion and I will say that until the Lord brings me home. Apostolic Bros forever.

[@juarbemike77]

Im agree he needs our prayers

[@enslavedbytruth]

Have you actually read these documents?

[@TheotokosMinistries]

You actually have no idea how much I wanted this video 😂

[@MsKHONA]

I love my orthodox brothers and sisters but their obsession on condemning other apostolic church’s is just arguments that I believe stems from pride “your wrong and we are right”. I commend the Catholic Church for coming together with Assyrian church of the east and opening communion to understand years of misunderstanding and being misunderstood by calling us nestorians just because we don’t use mother God and refer to the Holy mother as mother Of Jesus Christ. Knowingly knowing that our church has never objected to Jesus being God. Instead of having open conversation to try and understand the terminology and the way it’s been used they want to condemn a church. It’s sad knowing the history of our martyred church in Iraq, Syria and the across the Middle East the many have sacrificing their lives for Christ at the hands of the evil then just to be condemned by our own brothers in Christ. I pray for the communion, respect and understanding of all our apostolic church’s.

[@momus2424]

The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.

[@martiecejohnson]

I've waited so long for you to address Kyle. Thank you. This helps me choose with more assurance between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Currently a Orthodox Catechumen, I am leaving to join Catholicism after much consideration

[@humbirdms2784]

The holy catholic church has 2000 years of history behind her. Any other church will just be product of man made religious. I'll always go with the church that was there from the start and has the history/proof to back it up

[@bdaycake2847]

@@andrewg37As a Catholic, what made you pick Catholicism over Orthodoxy?

[@dianekamer8341]

Welcome home! God bless your journey!

[@christvault4038]

that is not an easy decision, absolute respect. God bless your faith brother ❤️🇻🇦

[@EdwardBray-i1w]

I will not attack my ortho bros, but always hope we reunite and walk away from those ideas that divide us.

[@zerocool3466]

The practice of distributing the Eucharist to the laity with a spoon became the norm because of the practical issue of the laity accidentally dropping particles of the Eucharist when communing. Furthermore laity receiving communion in the hand would make vessels of their own sometimes would use these vessels to take the communion home with them, which is forbidden. #Orthodoxy ☦️☦️☦️

[@youngalek4434]

Also taking the Eucharist away from children until confirmation… Big no no

[@ci6516]

Point is we have reasons we make simple changes , why do we behave like Pharisees worried so much about washing our hands the proper way ?

[@aaronaukema1284]

Catholics stopped receiving on the hand to eliminate sacrilege against the Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and increase belief in the Real Presence. Same with reception of the Chalice. Fr. Adrian Fortescue has that change in the West before the 800s, at least in practice. The Church has always progressed Her Liturgy to develop and reinforce the Divine Faith. It's not the practice, per se, that is the problem, but the intention behind it. As doctrines concerning the Real Presence were explored and the realities of the Doctrine expounded, the practice of reception on the hand was discarded as potentially dangerous (not inherently dangerous). It was reintroduced, first by heretics who rejected the belief in the Real Presence (Luther, Calvin, Cranmer) and then by individuals who were more concerned with appeasing Protestants (the vice of human respect) than preserving the Faith (that would be the Modernist clerics of the 1960s).

[@lollyluek]

@@TheCoachsCoach933 The bread is put in the same chalice as the wine, so if there are crumbs they wont fall on the ground, and will stay in the wine.

[@EremiasRanwolf-d6z]

It wasn't a no no. We've done it for hundreds of years and every Pope has been ok with it. The legitimate practice of the church can be found in what the actual Church actually legitimizes and does. Cheers.​@@youngalek4434

[@seanneal9406]

The statement of the catechism: "Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church." It is actually stating "Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church". The faith Peter confessed is the reason why Christ founded His Church on Peter. And then there is the reality. For the Church is founded on men, not intellectual assent. "Founded on the apostles and prophets" and especially Peter.

[@seanneal9406]

To be clear. Otherwise, I love voice of reason and his wonderful apologetics

[@aleksandarstavric2226]

Rubish ! that's just one of the Vatican "political" proclamation

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

This is NONSENSE. The Holy Fathers are very clear: CHRIST IS THE ROCK

[@jordysavage3363]

As a convert into Catholicism this Easter (all Glory to God) I’m here for this. And I like Kyle debunking Mormonism (the religion I was raised in) But I say let the real debate begin 🔥🔥

[@Firestriker098]

Hi voice of reason, I was wondering if you could pray for me to discern Catholicism vs Protestantism.

[@G.Valen72]

Praying for you brother. God bless 🫶🏼

[@GranMaese]

We all be praying for your discernment, brother. Just ask yourself, which one was the Church our Lord Jesuschrist founded?

[@TimMmm-l8n]

I pray that you sign up for RCIA class. You’ll learn a lot and you don’t have to guess what Catholics believe and listen to wrong KZbinrs. You don’t have to be a Catholic afterwards.

[@riversdunn2543]

Be assured of prayers🙏🙏🙏

[@carlosojeda7257]

May the Spirit guide you!! Praying for you my friend

[@dr.mofongo9001]

I’ve been a revert going on two months, and I too started down the Rad Trad path upon returning, mostly because of certain issues with how “lukewarm” many were towards the faith. I took the faith much more seriously at this stage in my life, and seeing this got to me more than it had before. That said, after much thinking and feedback from others, I learned to check my pride and focus on myself and what I’m doing, as doing otherwise could’ve led me down a path I did not ultimately want to go. On a side note, I always like hearing you dive into the topic of Eastern Orthodoxy, as that was also something I wrestled with coming back. Always a subject I look forward to listening to. Keep up the fantastic work Alex!

[@littlerock5256]

What is ?

[@dr.mofongo9001]

@@Chris-no8ybhello brother. Unfortunately I don’t use Discord.

[@TeslaUsimaVesla7625]

I can already see the title:Voice of Reason vs Orthodox Kyle Papacy debate

[@JB12JB]

Orthodox Kyle won't ever do a debate after that "discussion" with NeedGod Net.

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

​@@JB12JB I just wanted to say that. Kyle can't debate. I was rooting for him in that "discussion" and he did so poorly. So yeah, we won't see the debate with VOR. But I am pretty sure he won't miss on an opportunity for an response video. Which Alex of course will destroy in a second and Kyle won't agree to debate. I pray Kyle will go back in comunion with Rome. Btw, did he get rebaptized or just confirmed?

[@JB12JB]

@@AndreLeBlonde1 I was also rooting for him because I have a lot of respect for the orthodoxy. It was just unwatchable. I don't know whether he actually got re-baptized. Maybe he has mentioned it in one of the videos that I watched but I've only seen the videos that he tries to debunk Catholicism

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

​@@AndreLeBlonde1ROME IS A LIBERAL PROTESTANT SECT

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

YOU CATHOLICS ARE RIDICULOUS.

[@CatholicCanadianConservative]

I like to think the Pope was actually smelling the Quran, thinking too himself, “smells like bullshit” 😂😂

[@littlerock5256]

Except that he actually kissed it.

[@austinpissey8789]

If that's the cope you need, I guess keep huffing it.

[@IndianaJonesTDH]

It's a just fellas come on now

[@Giorginho]

cope

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

Ahahaha I love that thought, and actually now that the Holy Father is in Heaven he is definitely looking at the Quran like : "Yeah, uh so God what circle of hell is this guy in ? Because he is cooking himself every page of this bs."

[@CatholicCanadianConservative]

Finallllly. I’ve been asking Catholic KZbinrs to do this for a while. I’m so thankful you’re doing this because that kids convinced a fair amount of Catholics by now

[@goldie862]

Friends, I pray the Rosary daily. Usually I dedicate to all the souls in purgatory but if anyone here has a serious situation going on and you would like, I will gladly dedicate an upcoming Rosary to your cause. If it's very personal, there's no need to go in to great detail. Just give me a vague overview and God will obviously know what it's about. Please let me serve you. 📿📿📿📿

[@AnimaJano]

I'm struggling with alcoholism. I would deeply appreciate you pray for me. God bless, brother.

[@crushtheserpent]

I'm sure far more people have left the church than have come into it because of Taylor Marshall

[@humbirdms2784]

That's the goal for Mr Marshall. There's no good reason to bash the catholic church in almost every video then to try and dis credit the true holy church. He should be ashamed of himself

[@Thjperry97]

As an orthodox catechumen I’ve always been wary of Kyle. I’m sure he means well, but he’s not qualified to officially defend the faith, that should be reserved for the clergy.

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

Apologetics is not necessarily reserved for clergy, but you should at least have a blessing from them to do so.

[@nohandle-n9l]

I am also an orthodox catechumen, if you want a really good Eastern Orthodox channel I would recommend Bible Illustrated as he doesn't show any animosity towards anyone besides a small joke here and there that's always in good faith

[@Eliyahu_777]

I’m also an orthodox catechuman lol

[@Eliyahu_777]

⁠@@nohandle-n9lI love Bible illustrated!!!

[@nohandle-n9l]

@@Eliyahu_777 I honestly love how his videos are structured for those that are orthodox and for those who aren't

[@AlexTheCatholic]

Orthodox Apologists won’t be happy with this one😂😂 bless you brother 🥰

[@EasternOrthodoxChristianity]

We are very happy because nothing new was brought up from the Catholic side

[@q-petebassin2557]

@@EasternOrthodoxChristianitythis statement is an oxymoron

[@Divinecter]

Voice of reasons entire response was “nuh uh”

[@coup-de-grace]

Jay was right. Trent was the last worthy opponent from the Catholic side. This isn't even worth responding to.

[@q-petebassin2557]

@@coup-de-grace oh how convenient. Why don’t you show us why it’s not worthy? Hmmmm

[@anthonylopez1077]

I think you should debate Jay dyer he is also an Orthodox Christian. I think he'll be a worthy opponent.

[@danielxsimmons]

Jay dyer would absolutely demolish him

[@waterenthusiast4721]

There should be a good moderator too. Jay is great but often interrupts the opponent

[@kiddarius]

Catholic or Orthodox, I think we can all agree Jay would torch him in debate. Regardless of who’s right.

[@graff6909]

@@waterenthusiast4721 Yeah, I think Sam should be the Moderator, because Jay respects Sam

[@Timo0469]

@@waterenthusiast4721 true, although Jay is a more knowledgable debater overall

[@allistersmith1967]

Great video! Im looking into Catholicism and Orthodoxy and leaning toward the Catholic church. Christus Rex!✝

[@Triniforchrist]

Watch Dwong on the filioque

[@ci6516]

@@Triniforchristwhy are you guys so obsessed with this !?!?

[@nicholasamadosindona8524]

Two very well thought and articulate men who helped me lead to the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ. I hope you two have a debate soon.❤

[@donrobertoni]

Communion in the hand for the first 800 years in the Catholic Church ? SEE BELOW 😂 (I’m Catholic but that’s a wild claim and should be corrected) St. Sixtus 1 (circa 115): "The Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others than those consecrated to the Lord." St. Basil the Great, Doctor of the Church (330-379): "The right to receive Holy Communion in the hand is permitted only in times of persecution." St. Basil the Great considered Communion in the hand so irregular that he did not hesitate to consider it a grave fault. The Council of Saragossa (380): Excommunicated anyone who dared continue receiving Holy Communion by hand. This was confirmed by the Synod of Toledo. The Synod of Rouen (650): Condemned Communion in the hand to halt widespread abuses that occurred from this practice, and as a safeguard against sacrilege. 6th Ecumenical Council, at Constantinople (680-681): Forbade the faithful to take the Sacred Host in their hand, threatening transgressors with excommunication. St. Thomas Aquinas (1225- 1274): "Out of reverence towards this sacrament [the Holy Eucharist), nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal. and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest's hands, for touching this sacrament." (Summa Theologica, Part III, Q. 82, Art. 3, Rep. Obj. 8.) The Council of Trent (1545- 1565): "The fact that only the priest gives Holy Communion with his consecrated hands is an Apostolic Tradition." Pope Paul VI (1963-1978): "This method (on the tongue] must be retained." (Memoriale Domini) Pope John Paul II: "To touch the sacred species and to distribute them with their own hands is a privilege of the or-dained." (Dominica: Cene, 11)

[@lawrencecastle2777]

As a Protestant, I love learning from this channel about Catholicism and Orthodoxy

[@Triniforchrist]

Dwong channel is a good one to watch also

[@MrAwak3]

Did the Pope really just say all religions are a pathway to God? No spin. I don’t want the spin of “oh well he meant we’re all searching for God etc.” when it comes to my soul and the souls of my family and friends. Did he really say that because that’s what it reads to me…

[@adonisss1152]

Yes

[@caseycardenas1668]

The idea of not depicting the Father as incarnate man in Art indeed has historical precedence, but you will find many Orthodox in contemporary times treating it as absolute dogma which it is not. A lot of this hinges on the discussion of who is the Ancient of Days in the book of Daniel. Orthodox Ethos, run by Father Peter Heers, put a video out about 4 months ago titled, "Who is the Ancient of Days?". In this video, Heers claims that the overwhelming patristic consensus is that the Ancient of Days depicted in the book of Daniel is actually Christ as the pre-incarnate Logos and that the Son of Man is a proto depiction of the Human Nature of Christ. Many people are not aware that this is a very common understanding of the vision Daniel has. Firstly, Heers is wrong. While some fathers and patristic writers did view it this way, it would be abhorrently incorrect to say that it was the majority view. It was anything but that, and the further you go back you see that the most common view held was that the Son of Man is solely Christ and that the Ancient of Days is the Father. Keep in mind, it is extremely important to remember that even though this is the case, the title and image of the Ancient of Days can be applied to any of the three persons of the Trinity. We see this done in revelation where the physical manifestation of the Ancient of Days is applied specifically to Christ himself. Father John Whiteford, a well known Orthodox Priest and Scholar actually has a write up that shows the errors in the view that the Ancient of Days in Daniel is pre-incarnate Christ. He's even been on Orthodox Ethos as a guest and many other well known channels, he's reliable and well respected. Many will point to the Moscow Synod of 1667 as dogmatically prohibiting the practice of depicting the Father. A few issues here, one being that Great Moscow Synod was not a Pan-Orthodox Council that received widespread reception, nor has it fared historically well in its decrees. Its prohibition on depicting the Father and Holy Spirit can be viewed as a temporal and local prohibition. Secondly, the council is one of the most overridden councils in the history of the Church. To circle around, the modeen contempt for depiction of Father and Holy Spirit has been overblown and can be seen as a small "t" tradition. Alas, with all that said, Orthodox Kyle is far from being the epitome of an Orthodox Spokesperson. While he has some good content and loves God with great zeal, much of his content shows a huge lack in actual knowledge and understanding of the Orthodox Church or her history. He definitely carried over many Traditionalist Latin positions that he has yet to realize are not reconcilable with the Orthodox view. Last I checked, he still holds the view that it is irreverent to receive on the hand all the while being completely unaware that this was the norm of the early Church and that the Council of Trullo for the Orthodox decreed that it is preferable to receive in one's own hand when permissible, over the use of recepticals. God bless, He is Risen! ☦️✝️

[@siervodedios5952]

I didn't know all of that. I knew some but not everything you mentioned. I knew it was a good thing I didn't listen to Father Peter Heers and took his words as proverbial gospel - no offense meant towards him of course.

[@cooperjones7206]

As Catholics and Orthodox we must do our best to unite through humility. Kyle and Taylor hurt this agenda with their rhetoric.

[@steaminmeats]

I’m orthodox not a fan of Kyle cause he sounds like a little kid that just found orthodoxy. It’s annoying, attacking everything is not the orthodox way

[@nancylinxavier]

Finally found a ortho who doesn’t have narrow mind

[@steaminmeats]

@@nancylinxavier found alot of my orthodox brethren have narrow views, its not orthodoxy itself, i get confused why there are theses divides in thoughts

[@diego1590]

Its hilarious that a couple of days after Voice of Reason made this video the Pope came out and said basically heresy, making the catholic possition pretty much imposible.

[@gunshotlagoon922]

The Pope actually didn't say anything heretical. The religions he mentioned in that speech (Sikhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam) their purpose and intention is to get people on a path to reach one God, which isn't false. This doesn't change the fact that the Catholic Church contains the fullness of truth of God whereas the other religions don't. Even the Catechism states: "The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

​@@gunshotlagoon922YOU ARE HERETICS

[@33legion]

​@@alexpanagiotis4706 Making a statement in capital letters doesn't make it effective.

[@fns1707]

I’m an oriental orthodox, but ever since I saw the film Fatima I have had such a soft spot for Catholics, even around other Protestants I defend the Catholics as if it’s my church, however one thing I cannot seem to agree with is the pope, does anyone have any good resources so I can have a better idea of this? Thank you and God bless you all

[@Sixpenny2480]

I'm Oriental Orthodox as well. I have also gained a soft spot for Catholics as well. I almost converted. I personally don't agree with Papal supremacy. But we left the church before this became a major problem. I do know Rome held certain precedence over the other churches but being superior to the others on all matters seems problematic. I think it is good for us to learn. Maybe one day we can have reunification. Anyway God bless you brother.

[@fns1707]

@@Sixpenny2480 God bless you thank you

[@joseortanez8674]

My brother in Christ, how are you not a Catholic Priest? 🤣🤣 I’m learning so much about my faith from you and your knowledge of the faith goes deeper and deeper with each video i watch from you! Praying for you my friend! Please don’t ever stop what you’re doing because by defending the beauty of our Catholic faith, it brings hope to the world! Pray for me and my girlfriend as well 🙏🏽 We’re trying to defend and love our faith in our own authentic way.

[@IconoMatt]

1:09:03 yeah this is the point. You proved our point for us. The church changed the creed before Ephesus before it was no longer allowed to be changed. The Filioque was added after Ephesus. That’s our point.

[@IconoMatt]

And I would like to add, many Catholic priests agree that the Filioque should be removed from the western version of the creed.

[@IndianaJonesTDH]

​@@IconoMattcan you back that up

[@XayGin]

Good catch.

[@IconoMatt]

@@IndianaJonesTDH sure. Which claim?

[@domen6398]

​@@IconoMatt If the filioque was such a big deal, the schism would've happened 400 years before it did

[@TESHUVAAIRSOFT]

Respond to Kyle but completely ignore Jay Dyer?

[@Strider1Wilco]

Unwatchable

[@austinpissey8789]

VoR was walked by a (then) inquirer in a debate, why would he take on someone like Dyer? 😂

[@harrisonphillips8365]

@@austinpissey8789the inquirer had beeen debating that topic for a while when he was an Protestant

[@TESHUVAAIRSOFT]

@@austinpissey8789 Exactly VoR coming after Kyle is the same behaviors Muslims do when they attack layman christians

[@austinpissey8789]

@@harrisonphillips8365 whatever helps you explain it, friend.

[@snoopy3587]

One and a half hours feel like 15min. hearing Voice of reason, thank you Alex!!

[@778FraxK]

Questions roman Catholics can't answer: How can Vatican 1 be true if the council of Ephesus declares the autocephaly of Cyprus, and Rome now does not recognize the first council of Lateran as ecumenical, even if it was called by the pope? How come Cantate Dominum states non Catholics go to hell even if they shed blood for Christ and nowadays non Catholics can be saints? how do you worship the Trinity and Christ if Lumen Gentium states you worship the same god as muslims, who deny the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus? Praying for you all

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

They are stupid

[@Sm64wii]

Me when I get all my info from Reddit:

[@778FraxK]

@@Sm64wii would you like to answer any of these? You are just proving my point.

[@erikmartinez8735]

1. Vatican I and the Council of Ephesus: The Council of Ephesus (431 AD) focused on issues like the autocephaly of Cyprus, which is a matter of local church governance. Vatican I (1870 AD), on the other hand, defines the Pope’s infallibility on matters of faith and morals, which is a completely different issue. The recognition of autocephaly doesn’t contradict the universal spiritual authority the Pope holds, as defined in Vatican I. 2. Cantate Domino and Non-Catholics: Cantate Domino (from the Council of Florence) needs to be understood in its historical context, which emphasized the necessity of unity with the Church for salvation. However, the Church has since clarified, especially in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, that while the Church is the ordinary means of salvation, God’s grace can operate outside the visible boundaries of the Church. This is why we now acknowledge the possibility of salvation for non-Catholics and even recognize non-Catholic saints who lived lives of heroic virtue. 3. Worship of the Trinity vs. Muslims in Lumen Gentium: Lumen Gentium states that Muslims acknowledge the same Creator, but it doesn’t claim that their understanding of God is identical to that of Christians. Catholics believe in the Trinity, which Muslims explicitly deny, and that’s a key theological difference. While the Church respects their belief in one God, this doesn’t mean we worship in the same way or believe in the same understanding of God, especially when it comes to the divinity of Christ. I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion. These are nuanced issues, but Catholic teaching has developed a coherent response over the centuries. Peace to you!

[@778FraxK]

@@erikmartinez8735 1. you didn't explain how it doesn't contradict. In the Vatican 1 system no church can have autocephaly. Do any Catholic church has autocephaly today, for example? 2.in other words, a contradiction. Cantate Dominum says no one can be saved outside your church 3.the issue isn't about the understanding of god, the issue is that Lumen gentium states you adore THE SAME god. The issue here is that muslims reject the Trinity and deny Jesus is Christ, they say god can't have a son, etc

[@Nordicpitbull]

Yes!!! Been waiting for this episode! Deus vult🙏 God bless brother!

[@hoid8069]

Thank you for clarifying what was actually going on when JP2 kissed the Qu'ran. That incident has always troubled me.

[@chiefpine]

How about praying toward Mecca? A pagan monolith cube

[@Hiromi__4]

Never clicked a video so fast,God Bless 🇻🇦✝️!

[@EuropeanApple755]

Can’t wait to watch this! I haven’t really learned much about Eastern Orthodoxy yet compared to Protestantism, this will be very helpful

[@XD_..]

an Orthodox priest and Eastern Fathers are the best sources for Orthodoxy

[@DjNC7]

You are right I was also getting infected with rad trad fanatism. They dont call the pope Francis but just Bergoglio and that bother me a lot. They spend a lot of time criticizing the pope like pharesees rather than being humble and evangelizing.

[@wararmiegg3660]

As a Eastern Orthodox Christian, we so do deeply apologize for Kyle and his hate. He can be very aggressive so I stopped watching a lot of videos although I understand and like a lot of his talking points. I feel his just overall very aggressive towards anyone who isn’t Orthodox. I love your videos, you stay calm and respectful the whole time, and you go through each argument slowly making sure we get the point. And well I still disagree with you, I also think there’s a lot to learn in what you preach. Keep of the good work brother, from your not so eastern neighbors ☦️

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

You do realise it is so obvious you are fake. Lol

[@John_Six]

Kyle was a victim of Taylor Marshall and Peter Dimond.

[@humbirdms2784]

Mr Peter and Mr Marshall should be ashamed of themselves for the harm they have done to innocent souls. The Lord will hold them accountable unless they repent for thier misleading error unfortunately

[@AppalachianPaisano]

Unfortunately many are led astray by them and go down the Kyle path

[@littlerock5256]

Francis: We should never proselytize the Orthodox! They are our brothers and sisters, disciples of Jesus Christ.

[@Victóriadosantosandrade70]

​@@littlerock5256 unfortunately they don't see us in the same way

[@littlerock5256]

@@Victóriadosantosandrade70 They are Eastern Schismatics which makes them outside the Church. We should attempt to bring them into the True Church, but Francis says not to.

[@Ben-k4v]

4 ortho priests I talked to couldn't even tell me if my anglican baptism was valid. It's not one church. Women are being ordained as deacons in Africa too. Very sad. Pray for the schismatics, that they come back into communion with Rome.

[@GremlinsAndGnomes]

The synodal document declared that conversation about the female diaconate remains open, and the Holy Father declared that document to be ordinary magisterium. Do Catholics not believe in the female diaconate because our magisterium says to discuss it rather than giving a firm yes or no.

[@stuntman083]

how can you debunk Orthodoxy if the Pope said Orthodox sacraments are valid?

[@Fac35437]

If the catholic church is true then the orthodox church is true, but if the orthodox church is true then the catholic church is false

[@aaronaukema1284]

Validity is different than licity. The Church has ALWAYS held that heretics and schismatics can validly confect the sacraments...but those sacraments are not licit.

[@stuntman083]

@aaronaukema1284 no that's not true, Pope Leo and Pope Martin did not believe this when refuting monophysites. Excommunicated clergy don't have valid sacraments

[@fnfn9199]

​@aaronaukema1284 really? Why did your pope say that catholics and commune in orthodoxy churches?

[@Cklert]

@@fnfn9199 Because to Catholics, the schism is purely Ecclesiastical. The theological differences are quite frankly minor to us.

[@RLG6728]

1:21:44 That is so NOT true. I’ve been to an Assyrian church of the east and east Syriac liturgies many times, they’re absolutely NOT similar in any way to the novus ordo. They vail the altar with a curtain, face the east, present both bread and wine, the whole liturgy goes for about 3h. I don’t know where you got that the novus ordo is similar to that of the first 400 years. I know you don’t wanna admit it, but many Catholic apologists dislike and novus ordo alot but don’t wanna say it, that’s why they attend eastern catholic liturgies because they know deep down how empty and modern is the novus ordo. Another thing, the way the eastern clerics of the Chaldean church is absolutely DISTINGUISHABLE from that of a muslim cleric. They literally wear crosses, and anyone, even a non Christian can tell them apart. Pope John should’ve known that very well before kissing the quran. In fact, in the image you’ve shown, there was a man standing with an arabian dress that can easily be identified as a muslim, as Christians from that region do NOT dress like that, I know that because I lived with them. So, again, I don’t know where are you getting these false information from. I mean, you could just say pope John was wrong for kissing the quran.

[@spiderdxn2263]

Try actually studying the liturgical reform before ranting.

[@RLG6728]

@@spiderdxn2263 enlighten me then ! I only spoke on the claim that the novus ordo is similar to the liturgy of the Assyrian church of the east or the Syriac Catholic. I’m Assyrian Chaldean catholic and I’ve been to these liturgies many times, they completely differ from the novus ordo or should i call it, (the semi Protestant liturgy). This isn’t to attack Catholicism but I just hate it when people lie, even if by lying they defend the Catholic church. We do have many inconsistencies and contradictions within Catholicism whether in the papacy or other things, that need to be pointed out and not hidden or lied about.

[@Landoor]

Get ready for the surge of Orthobros in the comment section. Great vid

[@aleksandarstavric2226]

Get ready for the surge of Catholibans in the comment section

[@No-ch6fp]

@@aleksandarstavric2226 “no u” in 2024

[@quiqueglass6738]

@@No-ch6fpwhat does u have to do with your name no?

[@rogue8507]

You know how long I've been waiting for this.

[@l-p0zu566]

kyle responded 💀

[@Leavemealonenowplz]

The coolest thing about being an Eastern Catholic is that I can be both Catholic and Orthodox.

[@AppalachianPaisano]

In liturgical expressions sure, but assenting to the papal dogmas, Filioque dogma, council of Florence, ect kind of make you the opposite of theologically "Orthodox".

[@Landoor]

@@AppalachianPaisanowas about to say this same thing

[@Timo0469]

ok

[@domen6398]

Cathodox or Orthoholic?

[@XD_..]

you are not Orthodox.

[@CNAwarrior]

I have heard that the reason the church started kneeling and receiving communion on the tongue was due to a reaction to the Protestant movement. The church doubled down on reverence to the Eucharist to counter the Protestant de-emphasizing that the Eucharist is the body of Christ.

[@Anthabolic]

When I learned Thomist predestination wasn't dogmatic I became a Molinist

[@ՆոլանՊետրոսյան]

“I pray the Jesus prayer 60 times a day” is the strangest flex I’ve ever heard in my life

[@SquattRakk]

Sounds like something a Pharisee would brag about

[@ՆոլանՊետրոսյան]

@@SquattRakk its just wierd he thinks its a flex as first of all thats not the point of the Jesus prayer. Second of all i thought it was funny that he thought 60 was like a huge number or something.

[@TheKielbasaKid]

I'm a ByzCath-bro. God bless all of my Cath-bros and Ortho-bros. ☦✝

[@Strider1Wilco]

Stop calling yourself a bro, act like a man

[@Abcdefg_h62dzz]

Another thing I want to say: an inappropriate novus ordo mass is a VERY, VERY rare phenomenon. Way rarer than what these orthobros believe.

[@nathanielwhite4724]

I spent two years with NET Ministries traveling around to a different Catholic Parish/School almost every day to do a retreat. We did 148 retreats in a year. To say the least, we saw a LOT of parishes and masses in our time. And yah, inappropriate masses were SUPER rare. I mean sure, I participated in masses that didn't fit my personal tastes' for the liturgy, but who cares. My taste means nothing, in terms of actual liturgical abuses I can't remember witnessing any.

[@ci6516]

It literally doesn’t happen . We’re speaking about 1 or 2 poor events out of hundreds of thousands of masses

[@Abcdefg_h62dzz]

@@ci6516 yet the orthobros make it seem like a bigger problem than what it actually is

[@GremlinsAndGnomes]

​@@nathanielwhite4724 I chalk up a poor liturgy to poor liturgy but my friends who have actually read the GIRM see plenty of abuses that go over everyone else's heads.

[@Kaatiiiii]

I’m most excited, when you post videos about orthodoxy :)))

[@Observer-g6m]

I just jumped in at min 33 and heard something that I believe is not true. The speaker is saying that “a huge problem in Orthodoxy is that Orthodoxy likes to define itself by what it isn’t, it likes to go against whatever the Catholic Church does, if the Catholic does something the Orthodox Church will try to do the exact opposite.” That’s a pretty silly claim, regardless of who says it.

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

Orthodoxy can not be debunked!

[@nancylinxavier]

Until they left from catholics and started their own christianity 😂

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

@@nancylinxavier Catholics are liberal protestants. They are a sect.

[@SuperOverlord999]

​@@nancylinxavierWe are the original Christians.

[@nancylinxavier]

@@SuperOverlord999 keep barking

[@SuperOverlord999]

@@nancylinxavier Francis said the death penalty is against the gospel. Another contradiction.

[@mihajloo.19]

EO here thinking about converting to catholicism.🙋‍♂️

[@glennoconnor1130]

Same brother. My head is a mess right now 😩

[@mihajloo.19]

@glennoconnor1130 Tbh i am scared what my whole familiy would think about this because they dont really have a good opinion on catholicism😬

[@glennoconnor1130]

@@mihajloo.19ahhh see I don’t have that problem. My family is secular. I also come from an Irish background so I think it would be preferred! Good luck brother ✝️☦️🫂

[@mihajloo.19]

@@glennoconnor1130 Thank you brother, i also wish you the best for the future!🙏🤝

[@VictorGreinvolfe48]

As a former Protestant currently going through RCIA, I would highly recommend it! May Christ always be with you.

[@profetik777]

As an inquiring Orthodox (and now Catholicism) I just don't get why folks go so hard on "oh, don't you don't receive the Eucharist in the hand? WRONG! Therefore, you all are wrong about everything from your side..."

[@ci6516]

Read scripture , listen to daily gospels, the past month had been focused on this issue . We cannot be like the Pharisees focused on the letter of the law Catholics want to be United with EO. But EO don’t want it , just because . Both are good , but it’s sad , why do they dislike us so much ?

[@bikesrcool_1958]

They don’t like us because our wish washy current leadership in the Vatican. I understand that but our relations should be bad due to a goofy bump in western church history, I hope it gets better for our leadership to be true to our church

[@nohandle-n9l]

@@ci6516the thing about reunion is serious doctrinal issues as well as how canonical jurisdictions would work. The problem with the Catholic proposal is that they are telling us to basically leave behind our traditions Personally I don't think that we will ever be in communion with each other again

[@Cklert]

@@nohandle-n9l Curious, which traditions would that be?

[@nohandle-n9l]

@@Cklert well the Filioque for one, also leavened bread vs unleavened bread for the Eucharist, Papal infallibility, Canonical Jurisdictions, different canon of scripture, the role of the Pope, purgatory, accepting any Catholic ecumenical councils post schism, common Easter Date, Gregorian vs Revised Julian Calendar, Priests being able to marry, and many more

[@nicolegraham1238]

I have strongly been led to go yo the Greek Orthodox Church ☦ as it was the original and the Greek scripture written and kept. The Orthodox has stubbornly kept exactly everything the same. They have never charged. ❤

[@IndoHelleneBall]

Catholics🤝Orthodox>>>>>protestants

[@Oatmeal_Mann]

As a Hindu with an intellectual interest in Christianity and apologetics from different religions, I admire the Eastern orthodox church. However, a lot of the online orthodox community seems to be somewhat fanatical and even somewhat prejudiced against Catholics and Protestants. I don't mean that all of them are that way, but it's a tendency I've noticed. Catholics tend to be much more charitable in my opinion, although I'm sure one or two are probably also fanatical. It's just that I don't see that very often. I like Kyle and I think he means well, but I think he needs to grow out of what seems to be quite fanatical tendencies. It was very interesting hearing a Catholic response to his critiques.

[@quiqueglass6738]

The churches architecture traditional look and chants is what attracts foreigners it’s all empty and prideful on the inside

[@Oatmeal_Mann]

@@quiqueglass6738 I do think it's attractive from the outside at least.

[@jonathanchapman7216]

I pray that Kyle returns back to our Holy Mother Church. Christ is Lord

[@jamesbrophy3399]

I was an ortho bro because it confirmed my biases... I'm a traditionalist but had to get over my disagreements with the Novus Ordo. I don't have an Latin Mass near me. Idk how Kyle could leave that, I will pray for him as well. I'm worried he is leading people astray just as I did when I was Protestant.

[@Patel-Chirag-Gupta]

​​@@jamesbrophy3399do you know what protestant means? it means to protest. protest agaisnt what exactly? the beleif in God? no.. not at all. but the belief in roman catholicism.. yep. thats what it means to be a protestant. if you protest the roman catholic religion. (intended understanding is important) i sencerely believe that catholicism only exists because someone or some people purposely misinterpreted scripture, and then put themself/themselves on a pedistal..which you can see in the examples shown by the history the of Rome's existence. The popes have regularly claimed to be divine. and the belief in such blasphemies has so assimilated into society that its believed by many beyond Catholic circles. this is one truth claim and if God wills, ill show evidence for it. even though the action of that alone should show that its not of God. seeing as none of the apostles before hand did or said what catholicism teaches.. and none of the apostles misled people in such a way that they had those people go on to think that they were divine... but catholicism does. it does that exactly. and i have some evidence for this truth claim aswell. two truth claims. one focuses on the people being misled, and me showing evidence of that. and the other one focuses on the leaders of catholicism DOING the misleading, and me showing evidence for that. why i do i believe that this is wrong? because its anti-Christ. certain men are not to take the words that Christ spoke, and play around with them. misinterpreting them in a way which the interpretation, leads to actions that are anti-Christ.

[@humbirdms2784]

​@@Patel-Chirag-Guptayou are wrong in almost all youre opinions I'm if being honest. Please do better, I'll pray for you but don't share false info on the holy church

[@Patel-Chirag-Gupta]

@@humbirdms2784 if you think what i say is qorthy of needing prayer you should look at this dirt i have on catholicism. still pray for me though my guy. please, do the luke 11 one for me. Any who value even the name of Christ ought to have nothing whatsoever to do with Roman Catholicism, and its many blasphemies, not in the least of which is the equation of the Pope with God. After all such a one, as the Popes are, is, according to the words of St. Gregory the Great, the “imitator of Lucifer” and the “forerunner of Antichrist”, and what relationship of prayer or anything else can a Christian have with one whose blasphemies are not even surpassed by the devil himself? The Bible does not support the belief of papal infallibility. It declares that "all of sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Roman 3:23). This includes the Pope. These boasts of the Papal State fulfill the Bible's prediction of what the Antichrist power would do: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws...(Daniel 7:25). And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (Revelation 13:5-6). in short, it just doesnt align with God’s will and if anything is against it… Throughout the centuries of Rome's existence, the popes have regularly claimed to be divine. As the supposed successor of Peter, the Pope claims infallibility, the position of God on Earth, and ability to judge and excommunicate angels. The Catholic Council of Trent in 1545 declared this: We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold primacy over the whole world.i In the same century, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine stated this: All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.ii The belief in such blasphemies has so assimilated into society that its believed by many beyond Catholic circles, and ill show evidence for that truth claim. blasphemy: The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this: To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical. (emphasis added) blasphemy: In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontif. blasphemy: Pope Pius V said this The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth. ” All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” On the authority of the Councils,book 2,chapter 17 (and this is what catholicism did to put itself on the pedistal in the first place. it applied the name “rock” onto a man other than God…when all throughout the holy bible “rock” is noted to be a title for God Himself. this is clearly heretical. clearly blasphemous. clearly anti-Christ..) blasphemy: “We hold upon this earth the place of Almighty God” Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20,1894 evidence for people being misled: The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, He is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.” Catholic National July 1895 Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, November 18, 1302 “The pope, as the Vicar of Christ on earth, possesses the same full power of jurisdicton that Christ Himself possessed during His human life.” evidence for people being misled: In the Catholic point of view, "we hold upon this Earth the place of God" makes perfect sense, as Catholics believe that the Pope is the Vicar (i.e. Representative) of Christ…” which again, is heretical. blasphemy: The Catholic Church, mother and immaculate virgin, although destined to fill the whole world with her members, has nevertheless but one head, which must be venerated by all. Whoever dishonours that head claims in vain to be one of her members. That head is the Church of Rome, whose power the great Constantine recognizes in his Donation. Now, as Bishop of Rome, the Pope is the Vicar of God charged with the care of the churches.” Pope ‘St.’ Leo IX, ibid. blasphemy: Pope Clement VI., Acta Clementis, c. 1350; cited in the Roman Catholic publication: Granfield, Patrick, The Limits of the Papacy, NY: Crossroad, 1987; p.36. “The pope can do all things God can do.” blasphemy: “Though unworthy, We take the place of God on earth” Pope Benedict XIV, Ubi Primum, Dec. 3, 1740. blasphemy “The Pope is Christ in office, Christ in jurisdiction and power...We bow down before thy voice, O Holy Father, as we would before Christ Himself.” blasphemy “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” “...it came to pass in the secret design of God’s providence that We were chosen to fill this Chair of St. Peter and to take the place of the Person of Christ Himself in the Church...” Pope Leo XIII, “Reunion of Chrisendom”, June 20, 1894; Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII: Benziger Brothers, p. 304); On the Rosary [September 8, 1892].] evidence of people beijg misled: “He who will be disobedient to Christ on earth, who stands in the stead of Christ in heaven, will not share in the fruit of the blood of the Son of God.’ ‘Even if he [the Pope] were an incarnate devil we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom.’” John Bosco [1815-1888], considered a great modern saint and doctor by the Papacy, Meditazioni, Vol. 1: 2nd ed., pp. 89-90. evidencr of people being misled: The Pope is “God on earth”“Jesus has placed the pope higher than the prophets, than John the Baptist, and than all the angels”“Jesus has put the Pope on the same level as God Himself!” -John Bosco [1815-1888] blasphemy: “Witnesses of Tradition? There is only one; that’s me. *I* am Tradition.” evidence for people being misled: The Pope is “God on earth”“Jesus has placed the pope higher than the prophets, than John the Baptist, and than all the angels”“Jesus has put the Pope on the same level as God Himself!” evidence for people being misled: “We ought ever to hold as a fixed principle that what is white that I see I will believe to be black if the superior authorities in Rome define it so” evidence for people being misled: “We recognize and accept the authority of the Church as we do that of Christ himself. Our Holy Father the Pope is our dear sweet Christ on earth, as St. Catherine called him, even when she was pointing out with the liberty of a saint, how wrong he was at the time, in his conduct of temporal affairs. Dorothy Day, writer for The Catholic Worker, December 1949, Source: “The Case of Father Duffy”, By Dorothy Day, The Catholic Worker, December 1949, I, 4. evidence for people being misled: “You are the sweet Christ on earth who walks in our midst, and we love you and follow you. Twenty years ago you stole our heart and today we offer it to you.” I greeted the Pope with these words just before Mass.... Father Gerard McCarthy, greeted the Pope with these words at a Mass in a local Irish parish. Source: With the Pope in the Magliana neighborhood, (Nov. 8, 1998). oh and i have *S O* much more. even some stuff on eastern orthodoxy. its just straight blapshemy. im glad to expose it or be a part to expose it. thw more who know about it, less people get fooled by it.

[@channeljan8529]

​@@Patel-Chirag-Gupta Okay you clearly made all of that up. Stick to video games.

[@Rajukumar-en2nv]

"All religions are paths to God" ~Pope Francis

[@Sm64wii]

Me when I take things out of context. If he was teaching heresy the last thing he’d do around Hindus is also claim there’s only one God in the same sentence 😂😂😂

[@Bruh-cg2fk]

lol

[@EmberBright2077]

"why do you call me good, only God is good" ~ Jesus

[@Gabagoober]

Kyle is like cocomelon for teen orthobros

[@enslavedbytruth]

😂

[@Breakdowns04]

What is cocomelon?

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

DON'T USE ORTHODOX ICONS

[@DaveMiller741]

​@@alexpanagiotis4706catholics uses orthadox icons too

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

@@DaveMiller741 Not like Icons. Catholics do not understand what Icons are. They are not religious images but Holy Mysteries of the Church. Painted dogmas, Windows to heaven, cult objects not some decorative puctures

[@quantumcryptographer3998]

Makes me dislike Taylor Marshall even more now. I'll pray for Kyle even more now.

[@goberserker5090]

Here Orthodox,Love you Caths, ☦️✝️

[@Fac35437]

After watxhing the first 48mins of this, whilst first frantically replying out of anger, i was quite overcome by sadness for how low youve stupped in your spiritual journey VoR. I humbly pray for god to enlighten you on your journey to him. Have mercy on me if i have come across as attacking, it wasnt my intention. Pray for me

[@huginn1879]

So bevor I watch this I wanna say. I really like Kyle and I am not orthodox but catholic. I hope this is fruitful and not brutal.

[@ivanayy5432]

I didnt know all those things about the death penalty as a Catholic tbh. At first, my thoughts were that the death penalty was immoral because we are taking somebody’s life. Now that you explain why it is moral and the very great reasons why it shouldn’t be used makes a whole lot of sense and I’m glad that you went into detail about it so I can learn so much more. Thanks Alex for teaching me more about my faith🙏🏻

[@Abcdefg_h62dzz]

Let me share my experience: a little bit more than one year ago, on the lent of 2023 (if I am not wrong), I came in contact with the "orthobro" (in contrast with actual eastern orthodox) online world. After dwelling into the rabbit hole of orthobroxy, I joined some orthobro discord servers whose moderators were the "elite" of orthodox online apologetics, mainly Jay Dyer, David Erhan and Kyle. I was 14 back then, so no wonder if I did a ton of cringe stuff back when I was unable to use discord in a serious way. At some point, I even planned to contact a parish. But at the end, after doing a little bit more research, I realized that these people were quite suspicious: Jay Dyer is infamous for calling people who annoyed him "gay" (just like a clash royale player, bruh), David Erhan made a mysoginistic video claiming that, according to the Church Fathers, women are lesser beings (he might as well be quote-mining, I hope) and this Kyle guy was basically the third member of this triad of discord leaders. Obviously there is the "big boss" of the situation, Peter Heers, a rather suspicious priest. Finally I have escaped that "orthobro" world, maybe God allowed me to be cringe in order to learn a lesson.

[@druuew]

Go to the Orthodox Liturgy and meet the Orthodox in person

[@dreams_rl7465]

I’ve been commenting for so long on catholic apologists to debunk him. Finally I see this.

[@daradevlin4093]

BABE WAKE UP, A NEW VOICE OF REASON VIDEO JUST DROPPED🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@justintaylor3044]

My friend where or how did you study? It’s awesome to see someone so catechised

[@SimiSanctaInVia]

Excited to Watch! ❤

[@SUDMONEYBAGS]

Seeeemonaa 😮😮

[@SimiSanctaInVia]

@@SUDMONEYBAGS this is locked territory time for you to skedaddle

[@LaurenceNaseb-si7nl]

😂I'm so glad that you refuted kyle .Othorbros must take notes .God bless you Alex

[@arteotomiMexico]

18:00 That is such a good news! Where can I find this quote from Pope Francis? To convert Jews and Muslims to Catholicism (Abrahamic Center)

[@littlerock5256]

Cricket chirping here. I'd like to know as well.

[@PopeDefenders]

He was evangelised into orthodoxy by Taylor Marshall

[@0311catholic]

90 percent of "ortho bros" are chronically online losers

[@EzeBall1710]

17:14 i dont hold to "rad-trads" views but this sounds like a bunch of pope-splaining because its pretty clear to see he is participating in their worship

[@jakubkosz1009]

I love our Orthodox brothers and sisters in faith (especially since we don't have such huge differences), but I am very bothered by Kyle's (And in general, a large part of the Orthodox) lack of respect for us (maybe I'm reading this wrong). I hope the church will unite someday

[@abominable.7800]

there's this cocky jock like attitude in online orthodoxy and it's so obnoxious, you'd rarely ever see it in real life. why is the online community so weird?

[@Timo0469]

@@abominable.7800 I do think that their values are very good and their theology is interesting, but i especially see this overconfident and arrogant especially in Jay Dyer

[@jakubkosz1009]

@@Timo0469, not to me, but I will answer. I see more sympathy from Catholics towards Orthodox than the other way around. I do not understand a certain self-love and contempt towards Catholics on their part (fortunately there are also good people) :)

[@TokenWhiteGuyAGR]

@@abominable.7800 It's anti-Catholic prot converts who love larping on YT & X.

[@ci6516]

@@jakubkosz1009I notice is laypeople who have this , EO bishops are great and kind to us

[@JustaRandomCatholic]

Sad to see our orthodox brothers and sisters are fighting to see who is the true church 😔😔😔

[@ProphetGoogle]

By far my favorite Catholic apologist in the world

[@Swordbringer]

This has been a long time coming brother 🙏🏽

[@Starwarp02]

bro is about to be attacked by swarms of orthobros

[@mythologicalmyth]

What about EO who agree with most of Rome but take issue with V2 and its failed apologetic to modernism?

[@johndorilag4129]

Catholics outnumber Orthodox by almost 5 to 1. There are many Catholics that would defend and counterattack.

[@IveSeenSupernatural]

@@mythologicalmyth yea that was the deal sealer for me, nobody in the faith like peter would allow kissing the Q, RCC just coping IMO

[@milltig9676]

@@IveSeenSupernaturalputin as a orthodox christian just Kussed the Kuran

[@mythologicalmyth]

@@IveSeenSupernatural it goes way beyond that too. Restrictions on trad mass without viable holy explanation. I think it may be all to prevent unity.

[@Triniforchrist]

Alex is one of the best catholic church Apologictics out there, he doing a great job in debunking Orthodox and Protestant.