Why I Converted to Eastern Orthodoxy (Jonathan Pageau)

[@SuperSaiyanScandinavian]

I didn't know Jonathan Pageau was Canadian. Even tho I'm a Catholic, it still makes me proud. Nice to see such a charitable and devout Christian from Canada getting recognition. I often feel like I live in such a Godless country, so this is nice to hear.

[@carllucas89]

@@SuperSaiyanScandinavian 🤜🤛✝️☦️

[@Crafty.Veteran.Survival]

He's cool. Another Christian Canadian apologist that's going to be getting a ton attention soon is Wesley Huff, who was recently on the Joe Rogan show (his episode hasn't dropped yet, but soon)

[@wilder11]

I'm an Orthodox catechumen, and I was one of those people who basically said "Yep, that's the stuff" after attending Liturgy once. I had been leaning hard in that direction for a while (in no small part due to Pageau's and Peterson's teachings, which led to actual priests of the faith). I was raised an atheist, but found that nearly all of my hangups that had been instilled in me only applied to Roman Catholicism and the Protestant sects. Very few of them applied to the way Orthodoxy approached the faith. That, and it was a church that was not bending the knee to secular ethics and sexual immorality en masse. It was both flexible and yet rigid. Soft and firm at the same time. Welcoming and yet still careful about initiation of new believers. And its worship is reverent. Unflinchingly and unabashedly so. I felt like this was worship befitting the God was I beginning to believe. Its history and arguments continue to be persuasive, and its focus on asceticism for even laity has been a great boon to my life, even as I begin with training wheels. I know the road ahead is only going to get more difficult, and yet I find comfort in that, somehow, where before I would recoil in anxiety and fear.

[@TheEdzy25]

Eastern "orthodoxy" has bend the knee to sexual immorality, to communist regimes, to pseuedo theology, and to islam.

[@GrGal]

I appreciate what you say, but as a protestant brother here, I pray you will find that firm yet embracing strength you speak about, directly in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ 🙏🏻❤️ The church is important but it can’t replace that, and I don’t by an inch of that to persuade you away from Orthodoxy, keep on in your path with Him brother, Christ-centered life is true for any church.

[@michaelsjourney777]

"And its worship is reverent. Unflinchingly and unabashedly so. I felt like this was worship befitting the God was I beginning to believe." - THIS.

[@michaelsjourney777]

@@GrGal If you seek Christ, you will seek the Church He established of which He is ultimately the head of. The Church is Christ's body here on earth. both physically and spiritually. Is Christ divided?

[@mattwatson6259]

One is flexible yet rigid implying the other isn't? Tell me you haven't learned our saints without telling me you haven't learned of our saints. And after that, learn of other saints who can only be read as rigid and remind yourself of the Passion, that they also knew, as often as you can but taking care to when you are ever disturbed.

[@OrthodoxStudy-xr2wr]

Former traditional Latin Catholic. It was the early chirch and early church Father's that brought me to Orthodoxy. Bring baptized with my wife and kids this Saturday.

[@royalbirb275]

Glory to God!!! Welcome home, brother, to you and your family. ☦

[@sonofboar13]

I grew up Catholic, fell away from the faith, came back, and am now a catechumen in the Orthodox Church. I have to say that Pints with Aquinas was such a blessing in bringing me back to traditional Christianity. Thank you Matt Fradd and the whole PWA team, you are all a blessing

[@CedanyTheAlaskan]

Praying for you, though I hope you stay in the One Apostolic Catholic Church

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola

[@HenryBonesJr]

There is an excellent article up by Benjamin John on Substack entitled, "What Eastern Orthodox Apologists Miss About the Papacy: A Catholic perspective on popes, patriarchs, primacy, and Eucharistic ecclesiology." It's lengthy, but very detailed and thorough.

[@joeoleary9010]

@@CedanyTheAlaskan Why? What bad thing is going to happen to him if he leaves Catholicism for the Orthodox church?

[@lorenzocardenas5071]

@@joeoleary9010Orthodoxy is in schism. The Catholic Church has the eastern Byzantine rite so there’s no need to convert to “orthodoxy”

[@knightrider585]

When I first started looking into Christianity as an ex-atheist my first instinct was to investigate the Anglican church as it was the religion of my two Christian grandparents. I had the similar problems as those described by Pageau with Roman Catholicism in Quebec. Anglicans seem to have almost all the denominations inside the church that exist outside the church. So if I started inquiring as an Anglican, I would still need to pick a denomination inside the church. And similarly I didn't want to try to join a church as a new Christian where I disagreed with the hierarchy. That seemed to me to be a dishonest approach to religion. So instead I picked a church I felt I could honestly submit to and convert to, Eastern Orthodoxy.

[@danielcorrea7798]

Sounds a bit lazy to me. Why try to reform a church that has brought so much good to the world, when I can just jump ship?

[@knightrider585]

@danielcorrea7798 I was never an Anglican. I was not in any ship. I was choosing a ship to board. The Anglicans are the ones who left a church and made a new one anyway.

[@knightrider585]

@@danielcorrea7798 I was never an Anglican so I didn't "jump ship". Or did you mean I should have stayed an atheist and reformed that, haha?

[@danielcorrea7798]

@@knightrider585 you said you have Anglican Grandparents, I inferred from that that you probably live in a place heavily influencers by the Anglican Church. The Anglican Church has lost its way over the last 20 years, we need good man like you to help reform it. I’m just disappointed, you took the easier options. That’s all mate.

[@knightrider585]

@@danielcorrea7798 How exactly would I go about reforming a church when I need to learn to be a Christian? Unbaptised ex-atheists have no place telling professional clergy how to do their jobs, no matter how badly I think they are doing. I just used my limited understanding to find the best church from the options available in my town. I pray God blesses your efforts to fix your church.

[@ChristRisenLord]

My prayer is for the unification of the church. How amazing would something like that be! The world is divided and how incredible would it be to stand as one in Christ in this dark age. I know it's a longshot but all we can do is pray and work to bring eachother together. Catholic here by the way, much love for our EO brothers and sisters as well as Protestants.

[@LumaPuma-b2v]

Please no. Not right now, I wan't to keep the Orthodox Church safe..

[@bradleyperry1735]

This is impossible unless there is fundamental change from the Latins. This is so unlikely it borders on impossible.

[@racheldsouza8895]

​@@LumaPuma-b2v How can YOU "keep a church safe"?. The church is established by Christ It doesn't need "safety" from humans. Imagine not wanting to be United.

[@eimaiakominzontanos]

As an outsider this is my deepest prayer. If the east and west could reunite, which would take humility on both sides, there's no way I could stay out of that church. May Christ's church be one again before his return!

[@verovero8952]

The world isn't divided. Rome went away from the Church. The Church of Christ Is eternal and never Will be divided. It Is written.

[@AbrahamFramirez-hr5zu]

Orthodoxy is the Ancient Faith ☦️ Greetings from Corinth , Greece 🇬🇷 ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ

[@carllucas89]

Kyrilie Eleison brother 🇷🇸☦️🇬🇷

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@AbrahamFramirez-hr5zu Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@scygnius]

Pageau is such a genuine, engaging man. I resonate with the description he laid out of his conversion process. I only "felt Orthodox" for maybe a year or so, but I think he gets at this sentiment which draws many people to Orthodoxy, namely repulsion. The other options around you seem to be doing away with what made them so special, these other options almost *push* you into an Orthodox corner.

[@Cklert]

I agree with him, I think a lot of recent converts were looking for something with a strong traditional presence. Something that has lasted the centuries. That's something that we as Catholics have failed and are currently failing to do. However, I think these new-converts are mostly reactionary. I think it's commendable that they are longing for something more stable and functional. However I don't think most of them have delved underneath the hood and realize the ever growing internal divisions that's riddling their Church. With seemingly no solutions.

[@josiahalexander5697]

@@Cklert I mean, we could say the same of Catholic converts who overlook the problems of Pope Francis’s public confessions, the rise of sedevacantists and traditional Catholics, the contradictions of Vatican II with previous encyclicals, continuing liturgical abuses, etc. With seemingly no solution. In my experience, it comes down to a case by case situation. There’s always going to be reactionary converts. There’s also always going to be internal conflict. That is as prevalent in Catholicism as it is in Orthodoxy.

[@confectionarysound]

I wouldn't say "repulsion" is quite it. You don't fall in love because the other choices in partner aren't good enough. You fall in love because of your beloved. Once you "taste and see" it's hard to go back to anything else.

[@matheusmotta1750]

​@@CklertYou're mistakeb, a lot of us are fully aware of the current problems within the Orthodox Church. Despite all of this, we still have unity of Faith, which is true unity. You Roman Catholics have legal jurisdicional unity under the Pope, but have differences of faith and practice: Novus Ordo, Latin mass, charismatics, liberation theology, the so-called eastern catholics. That's the true mess.

[@matheusmotta1750]

Repulsion to changing of the Faith, for sure.

[@theoneoutofnazareth]

My family converted back in 2021 to Eastern Orthodoxy - ironically, much inspired by Pageau whom we discovered through Jordan Peterson. He's become quite the pipeline for converts it seems! I came out of the Pentecostal / Charismatic world so Orthodoxy was a complete 180. And Vladimir Lossky's writing completely captivated me as it did Pageau.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@theoneoutofnazareth Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@ProtestantismLeftBehind]

I left behind Protestantism for Orthodoxy. It’s life changing. Come and see.

[@JO-ji4bb]

Yep. I’m currently in the process of converting to the RCC from non-denominational evangelicalism and it’s been life changing. Worship is so much deeper

[@jperello001]

Although I’m Catholic and know that the Catholic Church is true, I really understand why he decided to be Orthodoxy. The US Catholic Church also needs to revive our liturgy.

[@xravenx24fe]

You guys really just don't get it at all. Your Church does the classic two steps forward one step back approach ever since the Novus Ordo came to be in order to push it exclusively. There is no revival to be had, from what I can only see and predict, they want the Novus Ordo exclusively

[@122222770]

Jump over to the Orthodox side. We have the same history but don't have to spend every other month defending the liberal pope.

[@tayikolla6205]

@@jperello001 And the Catholic Church should condemn the crimes committed by Ukrainian Catholics against the Russian Orthodox Church.

[@ServantofGodIgnatius]

This has nothing to do with liturgy this is a war between Satanic Roman and Christian East ☦️

[@lorenzocardenas5071]

We got the Byzantine right as well as the TLM. You’re not missing anything in the Catholic Church bro

[@EricCastleman]

I think Jonathan did a good job at describing the mindset of why people convert to Orthodoxy. I had the same sort of experience 16 years ago. I am no longer Orthodox, but I'll leave it at that. I appreciate Jonathan's relaxed explanation, as well as his ability to point out the extremes in Orthodoxy as well as in Rome. Not an easy decision for a lot of people today.

[@Punkgiver]

So, what made you switch to Catholicism (I presume)?

[@EricCastleman]

@@Punkgiver The things that Rome has that Orthodoxy doesn't didn't seem like a big deal when I converted to Orthodoxy from the reformed tradition. I couldn't validate my reception into the church because Orthodoxy cannot agree on if chrismation or baptism was how to receive already baptized converts. Likewise, due to overlapping jurisdictions, priests and deacons can dodge discipline by hopping from the Greeks to ROCOR. I thought this was a novel view of my own, but recently read where St Henry Newman criticizes the idea of converting to Eastern Orthodoxy for this exact reason. Any Orthodox "convert" literally cannot verify that they actually are in communion with the Orthodox tradition, and for me, I gave up relying on faith alone when I left the reformed tradition. One has to just trust their heart that they are validly received. It became obvious that Rome's position was absolutely necessary when relying on the scripture and tradition, unless we're merely adding the amount of resources we need to clarify our faith. There needs to be a final judge in order to have formal decisions.

[@fujikokun]

It was easy for me.

[@bradleyperry1735]

@@EricCastlemanYes they can. If you are received into the Church, you are received into the Church. Not one jurisdiction refuses to commune someone from another based on how they were received. This is blatantly false. It is a slanderous lie.

[@NathanielJ.Franco]

​@@Punkgiverthe story is far stranger than that.

[@pjla-lbl]

If I was not RC the only possibility for me is EO.

[@CatholicsForTrump]

There’s also Eastern Catholicism.

[@matheusmotta1750]

​@@CatholicsForTrumpwhich is former Orthodox who joined Rome.

[@mattwatson6259]

​@@matheusmotta1750erm akshually...

[@Commentapologetics]

For me if RC wasn’t the truth I’d be athiest

[@MaximusAugustusOrthodox]

Brother Come to Christs true church - the Orthodox Church ☦️

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[@theeliteelite1873]

Honestly, I completely agree and knew exactly what Pageau meant when he was talking "why would I jump ship from Protestantism to a Catholicism that is heading in the direction I'm trying to leave." When I was exploring Catholicism I was going to a TLM parish and I really loved the beauty of the Latin Mass service, but it was a sedavacantist parish and the whole time i knew that if I was ultimately convinced of Catholicism that that would be a problem. So I eventually got myself to bite the bullet and visit a nearby Novus Ordo parish. It wasn't any of the really awful abuses you see online like a clown or salsa Mass thankfully, but it really felt like a Calvary Chapel service, just with some Catholic flavoring sprinkled in. Exactly the kind of goofiness that was one of the many things that I ultimately found dissatisfying with Protestantism. It felt like a breath of fresh air once I started exploring Orthodoxy. Reverent services that are uniform across parishes, so I don't have to hunt down a good church to find a service that isn't goofy. A lot of the theology and how the authority structure works answered the problems I found with Protestantism and the things I found problematic with Catholicism.

[@joeoleary9010]

I concur. I've tried hard to love the NO Mass but can only stomach it during weekdays. Sunday with the music department's excesses is too much for me to bear anymore. TLM is better, but though technically kosher, Pageau is correct that it's still considered a rebel Mass by the pope. I have high regard for EO services, except for the icons.

[@mattwatson6259]

Well it's good that mass isn't about our satisfaction then

[@theeliteelite1873]

@@mattwatson6259 don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "I would've become Catholic, but because I didn't like the Novus Ordo I decided 'no thanks.'" That would be a petty and self centered way to make such an important decision. Just like if I had been convinced Sola Scriptura was true I would've stuck with the Protestantism I was raised in and sucked it up to try and find a halfway decent Prot church, if I had ultimately found the Catholic arguments more convincing than the Orthodox ones, I would've sucked it up and tried to find a halfway decent Catholic church in my area to start attending.

[@MightyFineMedia]

I'm looking forward to the full interview ❤

[@timothyfreeman97]

Proud to be Catholic, brah. Ain't no coping here, champ 💪🏻🇻🇦😘

[@TaraAmrit]

Clark Carlton basically summarises the key reasons I chose Eastern Orthodoxy in his book 'The Faith': "The claim of the Orthodox Church to be the one and only true Church is based upon four factors: 1. The Orthodox Church has maintained an unbroken historical continuity with the original Church founded by Jesus in Jerusalem. 2. The Orthodox Church has faithfully maintained the apostolic faith once delivered to the Saints (Jude 3), neither adding to nor subtracting from it. 3. The Orthodox Church faithfully worships God the Father in Spirit and in Truth, providing mankind with personal access to the life and grace of the All-holy Trinity. 4. The Orthodox Church has produced untold numbers of Saints throughout the centuries - persons who bear within themselves the uncreated grace of God."

[@reviewandreflection]

I find it hard to maintain the claim contained in #1 & #2 when you look at the way that Eastern Orthodoxy has not just allowed but enshrined practices like icon veneration (for which we find almost no evidence in the first few centuries of the life of the church) and teachings like the bodily assumption of Mary (which is likewise a relatively late introduction). And praise God, #3 & #4 is true of not only the Eastern Orthodox church, but is also true of the various branches of the Western church as well. I'm happy to accept many Eastern Orthodox as brothers and sisters in Christ, but I cannot back the claim that Eastern Orthodoxy is "the one and only true Church."

[@vendeehomme]

It was delightful to hear him talk of Orthodocy in such a way. I am Catholic but have the greatest respest for the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches.

[@TheBruce-l1i]

Thank you for explaining your faith journey Jonathan. This really resonates with my personnal story. I must admit that, as a fellow Québécois who grew up catholic in the 90's (and still is), from a very normal post Vatican 2 parrish, I now understand your conversion to orthodoxy, which was bugging me a bit considering our great catholic ancestry (chauvinisme?). I so relate to the hostility you felt toward modern Quebec culture (post quiet revolution) and being some kind of christian ''rebel'', this did fuel me for a long time and probably helped me keep to the faith (with conspiracy theories about freemansonry, Illuminati and such). My brothers and I were altar boys and were pretty much the only young people who attended regularly mass from all the young people from ALL the (public) schools we attended to. Felt odd, took years to understand and stop being ''embarassed'' about it (or about modern mass/sermons/songs maybe). But learning more about our french canadian history and more about catholicism has put me more at peace from an identity point of view. Post V2 parrishes in Québec do not offer much in term of education about our rich tradition(s), so I became sedevacantist around the age of 20 (on the internet...) to the beginning of my 30's, but thanks to some secular friends who converterted to tradition (FSSPX) and especially thanks to your channel Matt, I finally came back to that normal local parrish after having abdonned it. God bless you all! Merci Jonathan et Matt bonne année 2025, vœux de santé et de bonheur!

[@ConvincedofChristianity]

Great video, Brother Matt! Happy 2025 and keep up the great work!

[@LivingDust92]

I love J. Pageau. Enough to even forgive the fact that he speaks French. 😂

[@sdrc92126]

I've always thought exactly the same thing❤Jonathan🚫🇫🇷🤣

[@irodjetson]

It's all great, but I just go for what it's true, if the papacy is true, then sure, I might suffer a lot while being in the church, yet, if papacy is right then I have to figure out a way in God to fight for the principles I believe are part of the Church from within, and get the true outsiders that are within the church out. This is my house and I don't want enemies within it so I join to fight those out of the Church, even if people within the Church fight me, I am fighting for Christ.

[@victoiredeleusomme4257]

Made this journey too had similar thoughts was found by the Greek Melkite's 40 years ago and am so happy. I didn't leave Roman's they left me. God grant you many years.

[@AndwB]

The only reason people have turned to orthodoxy is because the strange changes we had in the Mas since the 1960s and now the typical parish is an absolute joke with the popular music and innovations

[@cultofmodernism8477]

That's a big, very legitimate reason friend. You guys absolutely destroyed your liturgy and have fallen very deep into modernist heresy. That's no small thing.

[@WWCC35]

"The only reason people aren't becoming Catholic is because we've embraced modernism and completley changed since Vatican 2" I mean, yea, I agree.

[@bradleyperry1735]

And this is because it isn’t the Church. It started in the 800s.

[@joshxt]

@@bradleyperry1735what do you mean?

[@bradleyperry1735]

@@joshxt Roman Catholicism has these issues because it isn’t the Church. Rome started to innovate and move ever so slightly away from the Faith they were given starting in the 800s.

[@mzmPACman]

I appreciate his honesty. I like that Jonathon always speaks in plain conversational language. He doesnt take 3 hours to get to the point. The main reason people convert to EO is the liturgy and their resistance to liberalism; but I think with so many westerners converting to orthodoxy that will start to change.

[@forthosewithearstohear6219]

The only reason anyone becomes snared into the Godless abominations of orthodoxy or catholicism is because they are completely Biblically illiterate, and totally willingly ignorant.

[@kevinhertzler7662]

Happy New Year's! The adventure begins again!

[@kevinninja787]

I'm a Byzantine Catholic and I totally understand where Jonathan is coming from. It's not the disagreements between Catholicism and Orthodoxy that bugs me (I tend to side with the Catholics) but it's the Roman leadership's rejection of tradition for the last 5 decades that drives me nuts. I have great tradition in the BCC but we're small and sometimes I want to go to a Roman Church as we're in communion with each other or if I'm traveling. While there are traditional parishes I just wonder why I'm bothering being frustrated with all the modern RC churches (in decor and liturgy) I visit? Why am I expending energy fighting against a leadership that does everything they can to go against their tradition (I spoke with a RC priest recently who told me a bishop denied a local church permission to reinstall a communion rail). I don't necessarily want to be Orthodox and then exclude Catholicism but it also seems like an oasis where tradition is respected

[@charles-hebertlahaye8747]

There needs to be a revival in my province as I am also mad at my own folk who became godless materialists. I want "my people" to rediscover their ancestral faith: Roman Catholicism.

[@WiltSmo-em1ho]

For me either converting to Catholic or Eastern Orthodox ...

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola

[@liasmv8545]

Eastern Catholicism is also an option. Look into the 23 eastern Catholic Churches

[@mattwatson6259]

For me: 1. Filioque 2. Baptism 3. Marital ethics All of these are difficult, but one side is much less difficult after a hermeneutic of continuity, especially given that one side acknowledges the problem and exigetes an answer

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@mattwatson6259 “*Obedience* is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937

[@Commentapologetics]

@@mattwatson6259If you dive into the history of the councils, they give reason to the RC more than the EO

[@iphang-ishordavid2954]

Jonathan pageau with a Cigar!!!!😁 This would be Good!!!

[@bradleymarshall5489]

The Bible is the ultimate revelation of the structure of being. It is the great light of the triune God, revealing reality as it truly is

[@shelleyscloud3651]

Trying to find my congregation but so far nothing resonates, i'm very drawn to orthodoxy but there's just no options in my area.

[@MrMustang13]

Orthodoxy is mainly just ethnic clubs. The Catholic Church is the only true universal church.

[@seanthompson5077]

What area?

[@anng.4542]

Shelley, why not try one of the Eastern rite Catholic churches?

[@ryrocks9487]

Hi, if you can get in email contact with a nearby priest and chat with him he may be able to help, do distance catechesis etc... May your journey go well!

[@andys3035]

It’s one area us Orthodox need to work on. We need a lot more churches especially since the church is growing. I pray your journey goes well.

[@Heathrlea]

I was baptized Lutheran at 16 but had attended Catholic Church when i was young with my Grandmother. The Catholic liturgy had a great effect on me even when I didnt understand it all. I loved the pews, the incense, holy water fount, stain glass windows, candles, contemplative prayer, communion (tho i could not partake cus I wasnt Catholic). After church-hopping for many years to non-denominational and mennonite churches, i found an Anglican church i really liked. It had all the similar things that Catholic Church did. And i could have communion! Then they got rid of the incense, replaced the pastor with a lesbian and sermons became woke and about social justice. So I left and didn't go to church for the longest time. I felt nothing going to non-denominational churches, they were like Ted Talks with a little Jesus mixed in. They rarely did Communion. I felt it didn't have the sacredness of Christianity and holiness of the Church.

[@AJKPenguin]

Eastern Catholicism has 23 Churches. And we're growing!

[@elKarlo]

Hopefully the eastern and TLM will grow dataset than the NO shrinks. Also there is only NO in many countries. I’m in Japan and there literally is NO and nothing else

[@rollout1984]

One of the most beautiful masses I ever attended was a Chaldean mass.

[@rx0102]

@@elKarloSSPX has TLMs in Tokyo and I believe Osaka, find a map. God bless you and may Our Lady keep you ❤

[@Youtuber-ly6tx]

​@@rx0102sspx isn't in full communion with the church. but...after living a year in Tokyo...there's a SEVERE need for a proper mass. I can't find any General Instruction of the Roman Missal implementation for Japanese. I think it's wrong that the bishop removed all the kneelers from the churches. I think there's an issue with the stance and influence of Jesuits here too. Why...are they so liberal and contesting things? It feels disobedient. This goes for the masses I can find in English. Tokyo needs a strong, American priest to lead the English speaking communities. There are too many local traditions and practices which I don't think align with church teaching.

[@elKarlo]

@ Osaka maybe. Tokyo the priest retired years ago. Still Tokyo is hours away by car. Like 6-8 hours. It isn’t reasonable. While my EO church is a 30 min drive

[@vijgenboom2843]

Love watching your video. You're doing a good job, shining light in this dark world. Thank you! Shalom.

[@Mark3ABE]

The Theology behind the Eastern Orthodox Churches is that every Christian nation can have its own national Church, with its own Patriarch, or in union with one of the existing Patriarchs, with all of these national Churches united because they are committed to a united belief in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic faith. However, this model of the Church developed only in the Eastern Roman Empire. In the Western Roman Empire, the Church developed in a different way, where there was not the same concept of a “national” Church, with the Church being centred on Dioceses, with the Diocesan Bishop being in communion with the Bishop of Rome. Which model is correct? There is nothing in the way in which Our Lord commissioned the Apostles to offer any useful assistance. Clearly, they were the first Bishops and they were in union with each other and with St. Peter. The Bishops in the Eastern and Western Churches all claim Apostolic Succession, so, since it is universally accepted that “where the Bishop is, there the Church is” both the Eastern and Western Churches are valid models of Church government. Setting up a national Church in a country which already professes to have a national Church, for example, in England, is problematic. Originally, Parliament legislated to ensure that no possible competing Episcopate could exist, however, with the restoration of the Roman hierarchy, a parallel system then developed. Any attempt to create an English Orthodox Church along the model of the Eastern Orthodox Churches would result in great complications. There are, of course, communities of Christians from nations having their own national Church settled in England. However, it would be a cultural challenge for an Englishman to turn up to a Russian Orthodox Church, for example, as ask to join, since one of the characteristics of that Church is that it is a national Church, attached to the nation of Russia. Therefore, it is not possible for a Catholic, or member of the Church of England, to simply say that he is leaving to join “the” Orthodox Church, since he would first need to choose on of the national communities settled in England and decide to attach himself to that national community. If that national community worshipped in its national language, that would introduce an immediate problem.

[@joeoleary9010]

Funny to me though that every Catholic parish in America has a large Stars and Stripes flag inside the church.

[@Mark3ABE]

@ Interesting. I have never seen a Union Jack in any Catholic Church in England. In most Parish Churches (Church of England) there will be several flags, the English flag, the Union Jack, and other national symbols.

[@jeanlanz2344]

Thank you for sharing , Jonathan. Your artistic and religious insights, inspirations, and skills are very moving. I loved your discussion with Bishop Barron at 53 minutes about Orthodoxy, lack of unity vs over-centralized and at times abusive power in the Catholic Church. I pray for union between the Orthodox and Catholics. What a blessing for the Catholic Church if you and your family were to come in, bringing treasures from Orthodoxy.

[@TheFeralcatz]

The people in the comments sperging out about the cigar are cracking me up. He looks super cool with it, don't even try to deny it you ninnies.

[@johnconnelly3776]

Johnathan is a great bridge...St John Paul ll said there are two lungs...Eastern and Western Christianity. Orthodoxy is apostolic. It is legitimate. We can learn a lot from this ancient faith...like the Jesus prayer...Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us sinners!

[@okj9060]

Orthodoxy does not necessarily equal eastern Christianity. You can find the beauty of eastern Christianity within Catholicism. You don’t need to go to orthodoxy

[@joeoleary9010]

The Jesus prayer is great. I find it more appealing than the Divine Mercy devotion.

[@matheusmotta1750]

That's ecumenist heresy. There's only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Body of Christ is not divided. The only Church which has preserved the Faith unblemished is the Orthodox Catholic Church ☦️

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@johnconnelly3776 Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@powerhouse8310]

The Eastern lung is the Eastern Catholic Church.

[@eamonnmcmanus4785]

Good video

[@jamessilcock7158]

A lot of his points are actually why I'm a traditionalist Anglo-Catholic

[@mattwatson6259]

Mary Glasspool?

[@jayv3264]

Why are Christians using the word “convert” when they move from one denomination to another? I’m a Christian who has converted from Christianity to Christianity. Baptists and Catholics, for example, are of the same faith. What’s the movement of “conversion” from believing Jesus, God the Son, died for our sins to believing…Jesus, God the Son, died for our sins?

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

Because there's a lot more to what defines Christianity than that simple fact. We aren't only called to believe in Christ, but to love him, and as he said "Those who love me will keep my commandments". Therefore, most arguments are about how to do just that.

[@jayv3264]

@ yes, there’s more to it, but from the basic principle comes forth many others, like the existence of God. So can you nail down for me why “conversion” is not only an apt term to use but also an excellent one? Is “procedures” really all that’s required?

[@miriba8608]

Wish people would stay and restore the Church from within instead of divorcing it. I think I understand why Jesus hated divorce. Even the people who want to destroy it stay and destroy it from within.

[@MrMustang13]

@@miriba8608 exactly. It really is the unfortunate route many go. It’s that mentality that bred the Protestant madness.

[@matheusmotta1750]

Rome just isn't the Church, my friend, simple as that. The Rock is the Faith Peter confessed. The Orthodox Catholic Church preserves that faith unblemished. ☦️

[@miriba8608]

@matheusmotta1750 did you just decide this for yourself or what authority declared this for you? With which apologetics? Sorry friend, whether you admit it or not, ironically an authority of some sort (protestant theologians) decided for you that no pope is needed. They decided for you that the apostolically succeeded church is "not" the true church. Even though it makes perfect sense that Jesus would set up His Church in this way since hierarchy is the way humans organize pretty much everything. Not sure what catholic church teaching you just don't like, but for most people that just ignore all the proof for the Catholic church being the church Jesus founded, they are usually justification for not wanting to live out hard truths. Most of the time it comes down to the teachings of divorce and remarriage or sexual teachings, Friend.

[@matheusmotta1750]

@miriba8608 The Orthodox Catholic Church is also hierarchical, just not Papal. We don't base our view on Protestant theologians, but on what the Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils say about these issues. Search about what they said about the Rock of Matthew 16:18. Most of them said the Rock upon which the Church is built is the Confession of Faith through Peter, and not only Saint Peter himself. Thus, nor Saint Peter nor his successors are the infallible governors of the Church.

[@darrelli901]

Is the full episode out now?

[@MaximusAugustusOrthodox]

Glory to Christ and his Holy Orthodox Church 🤍☦️

[@ryanpat3797]

I honoured my Catholic ancestors by becoming Orthodox and returning to the spiritual roots of our forefathers. Don't let anyone guilt you into staying in a sinking ship.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

bro, emperors and kingdoms have been trying to destroy the Catholic church for 2 thousand years. It won't happen

[@Green13Gaming]

my problem with the latin catholic is that while many of the influencers who speak for them are well spoken, the followers are giga cringe and use phrases as if they were political slogans, they don't actually convince me because I desire depth not half assesd slogans more people need to stop with one liners and gotchas, and put all their thoughts, right entire essays or really dive into what you mean fully explained, whichever side does that best is the side that usually can convince me the most

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

Hello from Ireland. My ancestors suffered centuries of horrific persecution for their refusal to leave the Catholic Church. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola

[@joeoleary9010]

It's true there are a lot of cranks in the TLM crowd. I find it noteworthy that few of them get along with each other.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@Green13Gaming Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@kalex888]

Orthodoxy doesn't look favorably on smoking, Mr Pageau

[@bingjayjemi2819]

I noticed, a protestant is more likely to become Orthodox than catholic

[@HulkRampage]

May he return to (R)Home.

[@john-paulgies4313]

R Home

[@noahjohnson2611]

When Rome returns home to Orthodoxy

[@chervon5773]

He doesn't need to

[@HulkRampage]

@@noahjohnson2611 Rome is christian Orthodoxy itself

[@HulkRampage]

@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419 You mean sedevacantism, Protestantism, the schism of the 11th century, and others? I don't know either.

[@monicapopovici4660]

It's not about you! I had struggles after coming back to Christianity with finding the "right" church. I submitted to God's will and lots of prayers. I was after His truth, not mine. I believe this is the right way to find your church.

[@matthiaskufner2283]

I’d love to speak to someone who knows trinitarian theology of the Orthodox Church. I’m leaning towards Catholicism atm due to my own understanding of the trinity aligning with the philioque.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@matthiaskufner2283 Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@diegobarragan4904]

What would you like to know?

[@matthiaskufner2283]

@@diegobarragan4904How is love, which is a relational attribute, eternally defined within the Godhead if the Holy Spirit does not proceed from a relation-as in the Filioque?

[@diegobarragan4904]

@@matthiaskufner2283 the whole foundation of your question is faulty. Are you saying the way we distinguish the Divine Persons is through the relationship of love?

[@matthiaskufner2283]

@@diegobarragan4904​​⁠What I am saying is “God is Love”. Hence, God cannot be contingent on creation to himself eternally self-actualise “Love”. Hence, how can you have a relational goodness defined eternally without an eternal relational procession of the holy spirit? For clarity here is a quick rundown of where I’m coming from such that the terms are clear: Relational Trinitarianism; a unique formulation of the triune Godhead. Goodness-the invisible ineffable moral principle-is defined in the character of the person of the Father The Father knows all there is to know, which includes Himself. Knowledge of the moral principle begets its affirmation, as knowing the Good makes that which is not Good known and to be judged-which is to be found in perfect Justice, which is defined in the eternally begotten character of the Word; the Son; the Judge. The Father and Son are eternally in communion which defines the perfect relationship. The perfect relationship between the moral principle and its rational application-Goodness and Justice-proceeds Love; The Holy Spirit. Reason being is that the application of righteous discernment-separating the bad from the Good-when applied aiming at the highest Goodness is Love. You don’t love your son by letting him take heroin. You love your son by applying justice in the pursuit of the good for them. All 3 persons define the fundamental 3 personality attributes of the divine: Goodness, Justice and Love. That said, since all 3 persons of the Godhead are in relation eternally all 3 persons possess all 3 of the personality attributes; which defines the essence of God.

[@MichaelBarakat-mp3yw]

It is so funny and sad that he is speaking about the Orthodox faith with a cigar in his hand without any shame. What kind of Orthodoxy is this? The American version? Or the secular version that is only talking and talking. Orthodoxy has become a trend nowadays like everything else in this world. So sad

[@AlexeiMikhailBoleslav]

“Orthodox uniate presanctified liturgy” does that mean that he went to a Byzantine Catholic Church and decided to become orthodox after? Or is he somebody who considers himself “orthodox in communion with Rome,” and not Catholic? Kind of confusing

[@umbralobserver]

By the title of this, Pageau ought to have given a substantive rationale for becoming EO, but he did not. This is frankly the case with almost all Westerners who do this. Just drawn in by the smells and bells and the good feelings, and the mantra "people in Catholic Church do bad thing". I see nothing at all to respect about such motivations. Let me further remind all other Catholics that the Eastern Schismatics as a whole do not see us as brothers. Otherwise they would not make their catechumens be baptized again. Ecumenism with them is a complete waste of time.

[@aureum7479]

Lol, that’s the exact reason why you subscribe to TLM, you appeal to the traditional card, when rome isn’t traditional You have also strawmanned Pageau’s position

[@TheFeralcatz]

He answered the question, which was; "What made you want to become Orthodox." It's a sad display of solipsism to suggest that everyone needs to have the same sort of purely rationalistic view of faith that you do. This mentality is partly why Roman Catholicism is in such a sorry state.

[@Grandlett]

Their rebaptism is a huge red flag. People just seem to be interested in feeling good, not truth

[@Christineonthetube]

I was baptized in a Catholic Church and did not have to be baptized again to be Orthodox.

[@liammccann8763]

Unless I am incorrect, the Orthodox Church does not canonise Saints?

[@billcynic1815]

I do not know if you are asking if we have any canonized saints, or if we continue canonizing saints. If the former, yes, we do. Visiting any Orthodox parish, or looking at the names of 3/4 of them, would confirm that. If the latter, yes, we do. Just recently in 2023, St Olga (Arrsamquq) of Alaska was canonized by the Orthodox Church in America, along with other martyrs and ascetics, and many others are in consideration for canonization.

[@liammccann8763]

@@billcynic1815 Interesting - thank you for your response. I am a practising Catholic and know little of the Eastern approach to canonisation post 1054AD. I believe there is much fertile soil for us - even more so given that I grew up in the north of Ireland, in the 70s and 80s, and seen the destruction rent by the so called protestant reformation. The Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox have not been adversaries in such a manner. I also worked in Moscow between 2000 and 2004 witnessing first hand the beauty of your liturgy and architecture. In hoc signo vinces +

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

Pageau seems to have been looking for a faith that pleased his senses rather than for a faith that was the one true faith.

[@brianbachinger6357]

Because he doesn’t share your beliefs? Be careful caricaturing and straw manning a person because they don’t agree with you.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

​@@brianbachinger6357 From a Catholic perspective, faith is not merely a subjective personal preference but has an objective foundation. The Catholic Church teaches that there is indeed one true faith, rooted in divine revelation and preserved by the Church's Magisterium. The Catholic understanding of faith encompasses both objective and subjective elements. Objectively, faith refers to the deposit of revealed truths handed down through Scripture and Tradition. Subjectively, it involves a personal encounter with God and assent to these truths. However, this subjective aspect does not negate the objective reality of Catholic doctrine. The Church affirms its identity as the "one true Church" founded by Jesus Christ, entrusted with the fullness of revealed truth and the means of salvation. This claim is not based on personal preference or sensory appeal but on the Church's understanding of its divine institution and mission. While respecting the sincerity of other beliefs, Catholicism maintains that objective truth in matters of faith exists and that the Catholic Church is its authoritative guardian and interpreter. This perspective sees faith not as a subjective choice among equally valid options, but as an encounter with and acceptance of objective reality.

[@joeoleary9010]

Yes, he should attend Novus Ordo Masses and suffer along with the rest of us. "On Eagles Wingsss . . . "

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

@@brianbachinger6357 I’m sorry! I thought this was a Catholic site. The purpose of faith is not simply to provide comfort or for everyone to come to a consensus; rather, it is to guide you on the path toward salvation and ultimately lead you to Heaven. True faith challenges and strengthens you, helping you grow spiritually and align your life with divine will. Selecting a faith isn't about finding a comfortable spiritual blanket that makes you feel good or provides a warm, fuzzy connection to the divine. True faith is about discovering which path God has laid out for you, seizing it with unwavering determination, and holding on with all your might through life's storms and challenges. From a Catholic perspective, faith is not merely a subjective personal preference but has an objective foundation. The Catholic Church teaches that there is indeed only one true faith, rooted in divine revelation and preserved by the Church's Magisterium. The Catholic understanding of faith encompasses both objective and subjective elements. Objectively, faith refers to the deposit of revealed truths handed down through Scripture and Tradition. Subjectively, it involves a personal encounter with God and assent to these truths. However, this subjective aspect does not negate the objective reality of Catholic doctrine. The Church affirms its identity as the "one true Church" founded by Jesus Christ, entrusted with the fullness of revealed truth and the means of salvation. This claim is not based on personal preference or sensory appeal but on the Church's understanding of its divine institution and mission. While respecting the sincerity of other beliefs, Catholicism maintains that objective truth in matters of faith exists and that the Catholic Church is its authoritative guardian and interpreter. This perspective sees faith not as a subjective choice among equally valid options, but as an encounter with and acceptance of objective reality.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@brianbachinger6357 Truth matters. Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@matheusmotta1750]

Orthodox Catholic Church ☦️

[@QBlessed93]

Eastern Orthodox is not Catholic. Catholic means universal. The Catholic liturgy is universal. Eastern Orthodox liturgies change depending on your ethnicity.

[@matheusmotta1750]

@QBlessed93 No, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Catholic universal and complete. The Roman Church has many rites with the eastern catholics. And historically there was always many rites.

[@aureum7479]

⁠@@QBlessed93Rome has added so many innovations

[@diegobarragan4904]

@@QBlessed93 that’s not what Catholic nor universal means lol. You really think it means to be stripped of any cultural ties? That sounds more like globalism than Christianity.

[@damnedmadman]

So you chose the easier path...

[@matheusmotta1750]

He chose a path that's not rotten.

[@damnedmadman]

@matheusmotta1750 Rather, a path with much less traps set up by Satan, because he's already very much pleased with the "orthodox" rebellion... He wants to make humility and obedience look as dumb (and evil) as possible, because these virtues he hates the most. He wants to make everything more appealing than the Catholic Faith. Once he's done with us (which will never happen), the rest of Christendom will be his dessert. Divide et impera!

[@shobudski6776]

He chose the narrow path.

[@jessicabrown868]

Reasons im eastern orthodox and not catholic: 1, i believe we should not put faith in man or the pope, but in god only. 2, the orthodox church hasnt changed since it was founded by jesus. 3, i believe tradition should be kept from being lost, and base of orthodoxy is tradition, and the foundation of it is the bible. Im not hating on catholics, im just expressing

[@koppite9600]

Is it ok for you to insinuate Catholics have 1. Put faith in man 2. Not found by Jesus 3. Has changed in bad faith through the ages

[@condelevante4]

It’s not so simple as one side submitting to the other and the other being heretical. Catholicism means - universal Orthodox means - right worship I think that it will be in our generation and the next that God expects us to have to solve the puzzle that unites these two.

[@bradleyperry1735]

It will almost certainly not be in our generation or the next. Roman Catholic parishes will have to independently convert to Orthodoxy and give up all their innovations. The Orthodox Church cannot reunite with the Roman Catholics so long as the liturgical practices of the Latins are so alien to the Church as to be completely unrecognizable.

[@chasmirsky7973]

This man has no idea how much more he can have if only he'd submit to Pope Francis. "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff". Unam Sanctam, Boniface VIII.

[@koppite9600]

They apply Mathew 16 17 19 where we are bound by the Keeper of the Keys of Heaven

[@user-ed2go3zv8x]

Happy new year.Sorry but talking about our Lord while smoking....

[@CosmicMystery7]

"When tradition comes to a crashing halt, how do you pick it up again?" You don't, Matt.

[@johnlane6379]

*has actual schismatic on for long form 1 on 1, still hasn't had the same "ecumenical" approach to the SSPX since Dr Salza's poor arguement*

[@deanmcdiarmid7068]

I want to enter the Orthodox church. But my job keeps me from Sunday attendance, so no priest will allow me to be a catechumen. My job supports me, rent, insurance, etc. No job alternative for me, so unless I become homeless, I'm kept out. I'm not up to being the pilgrim in The Way of the Pilgrim. But funny enough, orthodox priests go and convert convicts in prisons. Funny how the suburbs work.

[@TheFeralcatz]

That's unfortunate circumstances, I'm sorry to hear that. We live in a culture that increasingly makes it difficult to follow even the most rudimentary parts of our faith. Obviously, I'm sure you've considered this, but maybe change jobs? Easy suggestion for me to make of course but it could be a test for your faith, to see what you are actually willing to do to pursue Christ. Death awaits and you don't want to keep your salvation on the back burner for too long. God bless you and wish you the best.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@deanmcdiarmid7068 Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@grant1989]

Orthodoxy is silly larping, and I have yet to meet an orthodox that actually understands Catholicism and not the lies they’ve been fed about the papacy and such. Orthodoxy is an ethnic faith, especially if you are Western European stop larping

[@mattwatson6259]

1000% this

[@aureum7479]

“Orthodoxy is an ethnic faith” and all of your popes are primary Italian Hypocrite Also Vatican 2 speaks for itself, there are no lies

[@shobudski6776]

Your ignorance of Eastern Orthodoxy is astounding. Congratulations.

[@JérômeLaborde]

I can understand that progressive Quebec catholic church make you leave. I have the chance, that in France, this progressive momentum in the Church is now over, and that you can find normal, conservatives catholics in mainstream parishes. But Quebec is a very strange place. French speakin, totally americanised, but progressive and feminists in a very hard way. There is something "broken" in the spirit of the French Canadians. It's like they are naturally comitted to submit to the spirit of the time. Maybe a consequence of being humiliated and submitted by Britain during such a long time.

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

Whoa, like uh, an Orthobro meets a Fraddbro...

[@stevenharder308]

Summary: "It agreed with me."

[@renaud_gagne]

Go to a Catholic church in Quebec. I tried many times to get back, every time I had to leave because the priests are straight up heretics. I would endanger the soul of my kids if I were to stay there.

[@j897xce]

I wanted to be Orthodox so bad for the same reasons. Went from atheist, non denom, reformed fundamentalist or whatever, Anglican, then had to choose between Orthodox or Catholic. There has to be a line in the sand. Particularly around baptism. That did it for me. Getting confirmed this Paschal Tide!!

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

It's far better to just be Jewish & join a good open liberal Synagogue.

[@confectionarysound]

Such a cynical take 🤦‍♂️ maybe he encountered Jesus Christ in an undeniable way.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@confectionarysound And who is this Jesus Christ fellow ? No other than Jehovah in Human form. So be Jewish. You're already praying to YHVH.

[@Bxtcxt1865]

Not in Quebec 🤣🤣

[@leegrant7333]

i prefer the more humble Jonathan..being famous has gone beyond in his head......

[@heruvim95]

How?

[@geniopao579]

I follow him from the beginning and havent noticed changes. Its probably just the cigar Matt gave him that gives the different vibe.

[@pipeandaprayer938]

Just converted to Orthodoxy this past Lazarus Saturday. Raised son of Anglican priest, went to Rome at 17, and found the True Faith in my 50s. So blessed. Finally home. The Divine Liturgy is Heaven on earth connected to the eternal. Minus the Roman renovations that brought heretical doctrinal developments.

[@jackthayer1289]

St. Gregory of Nyssa believed the filioque.

[@pipeandaprayer938]

@ taken from another response; “What's left for Romans to explain is if Saint Gregory of Nyssa believed that the Son caused the Spirit's existence, then why did he sign the Nicene Creed and recited it, where that belief is not there, but it is said that the Spirit proceed from the Father(and that's it, no role of the Son is postulated). Did you know that the final form of the Creed was primarily formulated by Saint Gregory of Nyssa? So, either Saint Gregory is teaching the Filioque in this quote, which he later changed his mind on; or he's teaching something else here, so he never changed his mind and that's why he formulated the Creed to say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. And why are there teachings in Saint Gregory of Nyssa, where he says the Father's "characteristic(hypostatic property)" cannot be transferred? Because the Filioque implies and presupposes that the Father's characteristic CAN be transferred and it IS transferred through the Son to cause the Spirit. How can the Father's fatherness be transferred through the Son without making the Son a type of father to the Spirit as well, thus end up with two Fathers, as Saint Photious the Great argued against the Latin Church? This is why we don't infer the beliefs and teachings of our Fathers by isolated quotations and citations, like Protestants read and interpret the Scriptures, but take into account their holistic teachings and what they did in their life. We can fully understand what Saint Gregory teaches about the Trinity by all he has said about it; not by five sentences quoted. The same way we understand who Christ is in the Scriptures by all that's said about Him, and not by three verses isolated from everything else. So, in your opinion, when Saint Gregory formulated the Creed, if he believed the Filioque, then why did he omit it in the Creed?”

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola

[@Catholic_Rock]

Heretical? Do you know your eastern church history? All of it shines light on heresy from within the church. The deformation of Christianity started in the east.

[@jackthayer1289]

@pipeandaprayer938 there are beliefs the church holds that aren't in the creed. This goes for Catholics and orthodox, what you just made was an arguement from silence. This is the same thing protestants do. Try again.

[@rx0102]

giving Orthodox conversion stories but NEVER has a tradcath like Marshall or Kwasniewski or an SSPX priest on 🤡

[@pejv7903]

I thought this guy was Catholic?

[@xpictos777]

Rome is just one Bishop. The Patriarch of the West (even though Pope Benedict secretly tried to remove that title). He doesn’t need to go “home”’to Rome. He already is home in the rest of the Pentarchy.

[@stevenharder308]

👨‍❤‍👨

[@Cklert]

The "Pentarchy" is a Justinian pipedream. It has no formal foundation in doctrine. That aside, Rome has 3 valid Patriarchs of Antioch because the Eastern Orthodox keep replacing the ones who disagree with them.

[@samucancld]

🇻🇦

[@carllucas89]

☦️

[@Mariaken234]

I came to the Lord asking for his blessings as a single mom because raising my son (Joel) was an act of courage despite all the challenges. And the Lord answered my prayers with a benefiting. income of $41,000 every month. To God be the glory. Joel is in school and life's been fair lately.

[@CharlesAlfie]

Congratulations!! The scriptures clearly states there's going to be a transfer of the riches of the heathen to the righteous, God keep blessings you

[@CharlesAlfie]

But how do you earn so much in a month? By sharing your thoughts?

[@Mariaken234]

I thank Evelyn Susanne Scarlett who has always been there to help me with detailed analysis and recommendations that I would not have had access to otherwise.

[@PanisIngrassia]

Really feel your pain, when I was even almost down my God sent to me Evelyn Susanne Scarlett, her services cryp to me and changed the game automatically

[@Richard-oscar]

I've always wanted to be involved for a long time but the volatility in the price has been very confusing to me. Although I have watched a lot of KZbin videos about it, I still find it hard to understand.

[@Mary-supremacist]

Pray that he comes to the real church founded by Our Lord

[@AncientCornelius]

If you are united with Christ through baptism and sacraments can’t someone be in a real church ?

[@ItsThatGuy1989]

You guys see our sacraments as valid. He's doing just fine I'd say

[@HulkRampage]

Amen! Cause we love orthobros, we want them in the Original Church

[@Mary-supremacist]

@@AncientCornelius no, because submission to the Pope is required for salvation

[@Mary-supremacist]

@ItsThatGuy1989 someone who rejects the Roman Catholic Church can not be saved

[@tradertrader8838]

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[@heruvim95]

He found the One True Faith ☦️

[@ChristRisenLord]

I pray for unification of the church. Catholic here but love my EO brothers and sisters.

[@LoseBellyFatNow0]

The fake anti west faith.

[@Philip__325]

lol the one you guys left?

[@heruvim95]

@@ChristRisenLord Thank you. I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@wynlararinue6866]

Them's fighting words

[@nielgregory108]

Why I don't care. It's none of my business and I really don't care.

[@Holesdontexist]

So do not watch?

[@yuppiecake9097]

Why bother leaving such a comment then? Did you click on the video by accident?

[@Biniam_Hailu]

May God deliver you from smoking.

[@MichelGmusic]

What betrayal of their own history?

[@Geezerelli]

Ditch the cigar to prevent gum infection issues.😅

[@Grandlett]

K

[@alisterrebelo9013]

Jonathan going the way of the man bun is not on my 2025 bingo card.

[@bgrind1976]

Praise the Lord! I was thinking the same thing.

[@josiahalexander5697]

Where ya been? Bros been hanging with that for years now.

[@theproperty541]

The Catholics teach that you must go through a man to get to God. That kind of thinking is exactly what Jesus came to dismantle. I feel sad for Catholics because they know not what they do.

[@Grandlett]

Stupidest comment of 2025

[@forthosewithearstohear6219]

@@Grandlett ,...Repent of your ungodliness, and of your false, manmade, Godless religion!

[@auroravirgen6525]

Better Othodox than liberal Catholic.. but also we could be traditional Catholic, which is also Orthodox Western Rite... but never Liberal Novus Ordo...

[@renaud_gagne]

@@auroravirgen6525 that doesn't exist in Quebec. It's 95% deadwood apart from a few bright lights.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola

[@Austin_Schulz]

No, Catholic Eastern Rite.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@auroravirgen6525 Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@xpictos777]

Pentarchy and valid sacraments. Orthodox and Catholic should just relax.

[@emjay5577]

It deeply saddens me when people are turned away from the True Church becasue of the apostsy and nonsense that have taken hold of the Church in the last 60 years.

[@Tee-lady]

Why are you guys smoking cigars ? I feel like you have a standard to uphold and the danger is that your followers will think it's okay. You will answer for this example you're setting on judgement day.

[@elglowingjar]

Cigars are relaxing, so relax.

[@Tee-lady]

@elglowingjar christians are called to have a sober mind and be set apart from the world that's what the bible says.

[@PrzybyszzMatplanety]

​@@Tee-ladyLook how fast you settled yourself as a judge. Such juicy pride.

[@Tee-lady]

@@PrzybyszzMatplanety you don't read your Bible that's why when people correct the church, they are told that they are being judgemental. Those are the lukewarm christians of today...they refuse correction from the Holy Spirit and label it as judgment. Jesus said everyone will give an account of every word they uttered from their mouth.

[@TheFeralcatz]

Don't feed the trolls lmao

[@RitaGatton]

If you live in America, you could join the Catholic Church in America. We do not have the Quebec Catholic hierarchy. And, we are the true church established by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18-19.

[@masonite6450]

Weird to have actual schismatics on the channel, but not SSPX...

[@geniopao579]

Its understandable, the sspx is a current issue, a divisive group within, so you shouldnt encourage it. Prots and Orthos are fully sepparated, dont cause any internal hostility.

[@user-dbdbehcbn]

@@masonite6450 Hello from Ireland. “Where Peter is, there is the Church.” - St. Ambrose of Milan, c. 4th century AD “For he (Peter) himself hath care of all the churches, and above all of that which the Lord’s own city has sanctified by the shedding of His glorious blood, so that the see of Saint Peter does not desert its rightful position.” - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter to the Bishops of Vienne, c. 445 AD “There are many things which keep me in the bosom of the Catholic Church … The succession of priests keeps me, from the very see of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord after His Resurrection committed His sheep to be fed, down to the present episcopate.” - St. Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, c. 397 AD “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882 “The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the ‘rock’ of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 881 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, ‘supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.’” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 937 “Obedience is the chief of the virtues pertaining to the moral virtues, as charity is the chief among the theological virtues.” -St. Thomas Aquinas “We must always be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgment of our own, the true spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.” -St. Ignatius of Loyola Jesus prayed for Christian unity, saying, “That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” (John 17:21). St. Paul exhorted, “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). He also wrote, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Furthermore, “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:12). Finally, Scripture warns against division: “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24). Unity is central to Christ’s will, as it reflects the divine communion of the Trinity and serves as a witness to the world of the truth of the Gospel. The Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant revolt of the 16th century tragically fractured this unity, separating many Christians from the governance of the successor of Peter, whom Christ established as the rock upon which He would build His Church (Matthew 16:18-19). These divisions stand in opposition to Christ’s explicit desire for a Church that is one in faith, governance, and sacramental life. True unity can only be restored under the authority of the Pope, the visible sign of unity for the universal Church. 🙏

[@Grandlett]

No one cares though

[@Hank-e2d]

Sorry Matt, but it looks like youre almost promoting Eastern Orthodoxy? Not a single second of this video promoted the Catholic faith, but Pageau infact said things to deter people from it. Not sure why you posted this video honestly.

[@Grandlett]

What is a clip video?

[@ananasmorcov9482]

It's not nice to see Jonathan with a cigar ... Double that with the fact that it's a talk about christianity

[@TheMOV13]

At least it's not a tin of soda

[@valwhelan3533]

@@TheMOV13 LOL yeah cd be worse....

[@tandaraco]

You traded one cult for another. Does that change the book, or is it the same 1 book?

[@renaud_gagne]

@@tandaraco it's not about which book.

[@cassie3333]

who is needing attention then. the religions are basically aal the same nonesense. nobody cares why you do anythng. its just your ego mate

[@rosemaryruiz1878]

Yeah but sadly being Catholic is not going to save our eternal souls- Jesus Christ never said his Catholic or being Catholic will save our eternal souls- and no offense to anybody but Jesus Christ never said it’s okay to worship Mary or ask her to intercede for us- why? Because she’s not God hence she’s not to be worshipped much less the apostles- there all in heaven now asleep like Jesus Christ says

[@Grandlett]

Bro you're so far behind please don't comment

[@rosemaryruiz1878]

@ yes and what I said is what God said- because as I’ve already said before- Jesus Christ never said anything about catechism and much less by doing that will save your soul- because of none of that is true- just like worshipping Mary and asking her to intercede for us Jesus Christ never said that either- so I’m sorry bro but that’s just facts- all that comes from the Roman Catholic Church not from Yahweh, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit- and they should know because there God our lord, savior and creator- only Yahweh, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit save bro

[@1775adam]

Go Eastern Catholic!! You get the best of both, full communion but still have Orthodox look/feel!!

[@forthosewithearstohear6219]

The ONLY thing you get by being a catholic or an orthodox is eternity in the lake of fire.