Are The Distractions Of Modern Life Stealing Your Purpose? - Mike Thurston

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than KZbin by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:30 How Mike Created a Platform Without the Clickbait 06:20 Would Mike Get Tested by Derek? 12:50 Why Jesse James Will Burn Out 19:20 Advice for KZbin Beginners 23:14 Why Are Men Feeling Lost? 33:56 Essence of True Masculinity 38:00 Spending Time with Andrew Tate 44:17 The Lack of Female Role Models 51:41 Mike’s Relationship with Alcohol 1:01:35 Developing New Skills 1:07:14 Why Logan & Jake Seem Indestructible 1:13:41 What Mike is Doing Next 1:19:01 Where to Find Mike

[@JamesHatfield49]

Loving your content Chris! You're the real beauty! 😁

[@chefboiardeeznutz9881]

Beauties? Ayo, pause 🤨

[@mollconn5998]

Excellent Podcast!!!

[@Jesuswalks7475]

Both you two are Chad's, you both have completely different experiences of the world compared to normies and subfive.

[@KM-pq7sr]

We need to make being honourable cool again.

[@Denmosocial]

Mike Thurston one of the few OG influencers who has always remained a great dude

[@tawsif1999]

just like you bro

[@asparrow9876]

@@tawsif1999 lol?

[@24tommy109]

Imagine thinking an Influencer is someone to look up to. fuckin el

[@tawsif1999]

@@asparrow9876 your mom

[@davidc4408]

He is a scammer

[@FalcaoXTZ]

Admit it, you're brothers

[@flashback1123]

Lovers

[@BrownieJPEG]

Aw damn it I can’t unsee it now 😂

[@BananaClipz]

Racist

[@773superprguy]

No kidding 🤣 I was thinking the same thing

[@mayyamihaylova1123]

It’s crazy ahahaha

[@joshuawilliams13]

Loved the conversation about alcohol. As a 20 year old in college, I can definitely say it’s REALLY hard to find people that don’t drink/ aren’t into the whole clubbing scene. This goes for people to date or that I’m just trying to be friends with.

[@agustinpulizzizondatricolo3926]

I´m with you Joshua, happens the same to me.

[@theroamingsavage8813]

If u like, i would encourage u to go out and "sow ur oats" as they say. Experience it and don't deny yourself too much of all this. Don't be the guy in his 40s regretting not partying in his 20s and then trying to act like a teenager at 45 with a toupee and a Camaro trying to pick up 19 yr olds

[@brianlong2334]

Depends were you live also, but same same in your 20s and 30s heads up.

[@garljr]

But you can, overseas lol.

[@balancer182]

Interesting, they say that in the US, Gen Z are no longer drinking as much. So it's still more or less the same in the UK?

[@leekellygaming]

The biggest difference in the past 5/10 years is that information is immediately available as to what is possible and for some it is mentally crushing.

[@Incandescence555]

Bingo

[@lundi44]

Also misinformation and disinformation - and there are people who don’t have the ability to discern these from what is factual.

[@oriondye3212]

More like it takes so much time and effort to sift through what is and is not factual, most don’t bother and just listen to whatever personality they trust.

[@juniorcapilla9672]

Analysis paralysis.

[@ricardodelacrvz1400]

@@lundi44 facts are not absolute truth sometimes. I see so much people claiming halft truths or even lies as "facts" whatever that means and the moment you do your own research you can dismiss the bs super fast.

[@kristofh9974]

Hey guys, YOU are the role models young men need : fit, masculine but also reflective and considerate. What a great conversation, I subscribed !

[@castellum40]

Underrated comment

[@mehditate]

Life hit me pretty hard. I used to live in Miami being around street violence, guns, death, and I even used to eat $3 a day, 25 cents noodles, expired toast and canned campbell tomato soup. I survived the Boston Marathon Bombing which was a few feet away and I saw all the blood the people screaming and I was alone at 18. I also used to live in a room with no kitchen, trash bag as a window and bugs crawling on me at night. I ended up moving states (from LA to Miami) and ended up working a job where I had to literally hope I don't get shot or robbed while working overnight near one of the most dangerous areas. So I ended up takin boxing to protect myself and learned how to defend against bigger threats. Now I live in a cabin in the north of Sweden where I run an online business, I go down to a lake to breathe and heal my past and I post on KZbin to help others who need it the most 💜

[@jackhubert]

That’s amazing. I hope Norway is treating you well.

[@maacckknumero2316]

Are you hiring because that sounds perfect brother 😂 Congratulations thou, give credit where credit is due

[@mehditate]

@@jackhubert Sweden is treating me really well brother. Much needed lifestyle change

[@mehditate]

@@maacckknumero2316 I just finished hiring actually haha. I appreciate it man!

[@markumoeder]

Nice bro.

[@josephbrown9685]

24:12 “I don’t think there was a sense of being lost despite the fact that there was less information out there.” This is the most profound part for me. I’m in my early 40s, and I think social media has been one of the worst things to ever happen to modern society. It makes people think the should act and feel a certain way and should have achieved certain things by certain ages just because a small percentage of random strangers have done it. It’s absurd. First of all, social media is largely fake. Virtually nothing you see online is the full reality. It’s made to look slick and presentable in the best way possible. Everyone has their own personal problems no matter how glamours it might look to viewers. I think not being able to see the whole picture has made a lot of people feel like failures. The main thing is to find what makes you happy regardless of how it looks to others. I don’t make a lot of money and live a relatively modest lifestyle, but I’m mostly content with it, and some of the most fulfilling aspects of my life are essentially free or very cheap. (Running, reading, etc.). It’s not stuff that would impress anyone, but I don’t care.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

reminds me of the old saying "ignorance is bliss"

[@saint_ofc]

Delete all Social Media from your life. You will learn 2 things. a. There is no problem on a personal level (which matters most) and you move on with your life b. you come back to it. Then you need to ask yourself why.

[@benfisher1376]

There's TOO much communication

[@TheZGALa]

lol At age 52, listening to you two talk about getting older causes me to smirk foundly, then find my reading glasses to leave you a comment. 😂

[@edenbreckhouse]

Feeling lost? I suspect it's more about feeling ignored at best and despised at worst.

[@imdabanana1]

I’m 19 and they hit the nail on the head during the why are men feeling lost section

[@michaellamont2605]

I found women so Destructive, they're just not worth my time. Thank God I found HEX. Crypto can really change the game.

Yeah right. From their apartment in Dubaï

[@Fitopoli]

It wasn't any different when I was 19. We'd had recession after recession and it felt like there were no jobs. Rich kids I knew had everything, I was poor so I had nothing. It's part of growing up. I've met super successful men who knew what they were doing at 12, I didn't. I hated school. Wasn't interested in education until years later, when it was what I was interested in. Left at 16 went to 6th form college, then left to be a studio junior in a design agency, while doing unlicensed fighting at weekends because it paid more than my salary. That eventually morphed into being a personal trainer, yet I also have two design degrees. I don't think young men are lost, they just don't have anyone to guide them in the right way. I was lucky I had multiple mentors along the way. I taught design at St Martins. They wanted to get rid of one student because he kept drawing pornographic images, and I was asked to talk to him. The conversation went like this: What's the story with the pictures? I like sex. So do I. So why are you here if you like sex so much? I just like sex. Ok I want you to become the best designer of sex toys, outfits, whatever floats your boat. Go down to soho, buy some toys, try them out with your other half and find out if they feel good/bad/terrible. Find out manufacturing processes, become an expert in what you love, be the best you can be at sex, become an expert. For both men and women. Aren't you going to kick me out? Nope. I want you to become a brilliant designer. There's nothing stopping you designing for sex, someone does it, and I think you could do it better. He went from 45% in my classes to high 90s. I just pointed him in the direction he was interested in.

[@vitorfriedrich3086]

What are you going to do about it?

[@erickinzel2645]

Chris has an intellect unlike many other podcaster asks great questions

[@MijoShrek]

Oh yeah forsure. I've been here since he first started. It's that classic sharp intellect Brit with wit and able to articulate themselves very well without sounding too highbrow. The sense of curiosity.

[@michaelstein7510]

@@MijoShrek Yeah, Chris is a classic example of why you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover. At first glance, many people might assume he’s just a dumb gym-bro playboy, but he’s a really funny, intelligent, and articulate person. He gets so many great guests on this podcast and asks insightful questions. So happy I stumbled into it over the past year.

[@MijoShrek]

@@michaelstein7510 Definitely, all it takes is to just listen to how someone engages in a conversation for an episode and I was with it. That s why I love podcast. Exposes you to people like Chris, who always just open to learning and gaining new knowledge and perspectives. This past year seeing it blow up was cool to see how he hedged his bets and sought out to position himself at the right time for his podcast and give himself access to a much more massive network of people and guest by moving to Austin, Texas.

[@dna8269]

I don’t get how this channel doesn’t have AT LEAST 1 mil subs yet

[@thenomad9853]

I do feel for the young guys out there - it's a difficult time to be a man right now. Hell I'm 49 and *I* feel lost right now, god knows what it's like for the guys just getting into their 20s in the mad world we live in today. Good luck out there guys.

[@kylepacioni]

I just graduated university last year. The female dominated env is definitely prevalent, but I’d say the hardest thing about it was the notion that simply by existing as a man, all of your accomplishments essentially don’t count. I was fed the notion that the world was wildly bent in my favor and that was the only reason for my success and that if I couldn’t recognize that, it was only evidence of my stupidity, further proving that I didn’t deserve success. For context I went to uni in CA, TX, the Uk (Westminster) and Nevada. 4 different schools in 2 countries. Same narrative everywhere

[@Bboydu78000]

It's the same bullshit everywhere mate, I got kicked out of a group (not a huge loss) that invited me to join them at a bar after they sat at our table. Why ? because I told a blue haired girl from that group "men suffer too" when she was rambling about her feminism and inequalities between men and women... Don't let them brainwash you, if anything it's harder to be a guy in a lot of aspects of life

[@jayc342009]

Currently a lot of men are walking away from society, myself included. I refuse to contribute to a society that hates men.

[@elbruhmomentonumerodos9227]

Why did you go to so many different unis?

[@vitorfriedrich3086]

What are you going to do about it?

[@markt2398]

I also believe the great bug of 2020 threw another wrench in the dating scene. Things were already confusing and weird and then people lost their minds over the bug on many levels. It set us back even more in regards to relating to each other in the real world.

[@justinthematrix]

@@l337z0r I’m sure they’re becoming best friends nice and close in the myocarditis treatment center

[@mondavou9408]

Chris is a natural. Great lead questions, good follow questions, good pace, good analogies to get your point communicated. Just a pleasure to absorb.

[@Blorp_]

Natural is a good word to use in contrast to Mike

[@mondavou9408]

@@Blorp_ ha ha are you inferring something about his arms?

[@SamuelJamesSmith]

@@Blorp_ 😂

[@thiccactus]

Mans been doing this podcast for 5 years, he better be good at it lol.

[@lukaotovic-nesic952]

the section on uni drinking culture was like breath of fresh air. I resonate with every statement, and it feles alienating

[@cristydonaldson7627]

Chris is a triple threat: very handsome, intelligent, and introspective. He might be the best person for young men to learn from, relate to. Keep up the good work dude.

[@tuinov6286]

Very handsome. Thats where you lost 80% of men. According to women of course. He is not a good rolemodel.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@tuinov6286 seems good to me.

[@James_36]

he's not in a committed relationship, he doesn't have kids... I am not seeing much success... who cares about the shallow materialistic stuff? I have got this so called materialism and frankly it really is not meaningful. These people are more grifters trying to grow cults so they can make money off naïve young men tbh. Without his looks would he even have an audience? without going on love island would he even have a podcast? opportunistic people if you ask me

[@edenbreckhouse]

I'm pretty sure that if I had an IQ of 95, male pattern baldness and was 5 feet 4 inches I'd relate to Chris. He won the genetic lottery. Many do not.

[@sohammshah1725]

@@tuinov6286 why not a good role model?

[@mangle7587]

I recently hit 30 and still feel completely f*cking lost in life. I don´t even have a job at the moment, which i thought would ruin me but i actually feel better now since i hated the last one. What i think help the most during times like these is to try focus on the present, and not so much on the future even though it is good to have plans and goals to work towards. I found that to avoid being to pessimistic and negative it helps (ALOT) to regularly work out, take long walks, listen to podcasts like these, read and watch documentaries. I hope all of you guys out there will have a great life. Take care!

[@Fitopoli]

30 does that to you. 40 was ok, 50 felt a little like I'm getting old. Now 55 and I'm loving life. I was a personal trainer for 35+ years and loved every day of it. I chose my clients, the times I worked, and how much I charged. But even with that there were politics from the management company that ran the gym. Choose something you enjoy and make it your living. Ignore people who say it doesn't work, it does. They usually chose something they hated and it isn't working out.

[@mangle7587]

​@@Fitopoli Thank you for the advice!

[@AdamBechtol]

Mmm

[@seanguzy9601]

Life hit me pretty hard since birth. I just had this convo the other day with a FORMER best friend. " thats what men have to deal with as well, growing up with best friends, and all of a sudden you move, and WAME they allow their enviornment to change back into chameleon personality. " He actually had the balls to tell me I dont know what sufferring is. Than I laid it on him, all the stuff I thought he knew lol ( he does, hes just an alcoholic ) since he also was a victim of women destroying his heart. Now hes a former shell of him self. Cracking on his former best friend. When a kid is grown up in poverty, and he notices even BUMS get to wash them selves better than me, or EAT better than me, and I live in a home that has a roof that is collapsing, watching my dad cry every day, our water heater breaking, our plumbing not working, cant shit, shower, shave, rats, bugs, cockroaches, fleas on the dogs, no vacuum cleaner, mold everywhere. Racoons living in your walls. Having to get a job at 15, having to drop out of high school to go to military school. lol I can go on.... ps I lived 4 miles away from Camden NJ.

[@mkb2420]

Convert to Islam like Tate did bro

[@MagnusStormfist]

I 100% believe that the comparison element is why we feel lost, as a 25 year old, you almost feel ashamed to be working a job that pays 30k when you see so many people online making that in a month. It makes you feel worthless somehow even though 30k is a decent starting salary for a graduate!

[@snakegriffin4928]

Bingo

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

and then take into account those of us who at 25 had just finished a worthless degree and are yet to even start working. (I studied Political Sciences lol, now I'm getting into carpentry...)

[@manoftomorrow5987]

Comparison is the thief of joy. One thing I've learned over my life is that you have to go at your own pace. Also..your situation isnt everyone else's.

[@stuboy13]

I have always thought, personally, that the only thing that should be used to compare is average salary for your age and sex in your area. Even then - we are all on our own path with our own lives and there's many factors holding us back or propelling us forward. The average male salary outside of mega city CBD is really low for under 30's compared with the warped perspective we hear and see about online. Keep at it man. You're working. Hard. Doing honest work. More than half the battle is done.

[@MagnusStormfist]

@@manoftomorrow5987 I know, one issue is that I have always been competitive even from a young age so naturally I do compare myself to people as a reference point!

[@Samsaraindo]

As an older guy (39), I can agree on a lot here: 1. Haha, you do feel way better and energized in your early 20s. Even by staying in great shape and eating clean, it's never the same after like 33. 2. I'm so glad I got to be in my 20s in the 2000s. I feel bad for younger guys now. The 2000s were so fun, no phones and little social media. And yes, the music was better 😂 3. The best part about now though is your ability to do what chris and Mike have done. Build your own brand, have your own voice.

[@scholaroftheworldalternatehist]

Hm perhaps you were biased since you were in yours 20s in the 2000s. I find that one's own physical and financial status has more impact on their perception of life than the actual macroenvironment.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

I feel stronger and more energetic in my 30s to be honest. It's a really nice surprise, especially considering how society is hell bent on demoralising and destroying me because I'm a straight white male.

[@arkmangato870]

They are really that very small age range (30-38ish) where they did get the best of both worlds, pre internet and post. They got to have a childhood-post college life without the pressures of social media, but it arrived just in time for them to utilize it in the prime of their lives. As a 20-something left to the wayside, I have to admit I am a bit jealous

[@Joshukend]

I used to be really good at pick-up and had dozens of interactions that led to more. Fast forward 6 years, post a 5 year relationship, I literally can't get a first date... I'm fitter, better dressed, more cultured, more experienced in all ways and can't get a single date. This is after over 50 approaches. Interactions almost always go amazingly right until I ask to hangout/coffee/dinner, then poof. It feels insane. The best part is everyone else (friends, family, older strangers) shower me with compliments and then I sit here with a whole lotta nothing on the dating front now. I'm about to launch a business and am worried that if I suddenly am successful and girls suddenly start clicking, I won't be able to take any of them seriously. "Where were you when I wasn't EVERYTHING?"

[@jordan6489]

As a guy that’s your contemporary, 34 yrs old in June, I am really impressed with the podcast and a lot of the same values that we have in common. Former American rugby player in college to my mid 20s drinking was part of the culture, and it was fun. Plain and simple. Getting girls was also just simpler too. Shoot your shot and if you fail, live to fight another day..Also with the drinking it’s something I feel like a lot of people our age age out of it as well. Happily married with two wonderful children, the time to drink is minimal. A whisky here and there with friends and family is cool, but even after one or two fingers I feel it the next morning, not terribly but you still feel it. Keep up the wonderful work brother and continue to be a positive influence for this younger generation.

[@parris145]

The main difference today for young men is the expectation that young women now have for men. When I was twenty, girls didn't talk about expensive bags, designer dresses or expensive vacations. All a guy had to do to get a hot girl was wash, use mouth wash and be in reasonable shape. Well, personality went a long way as well. Let's be honest here guys like Mike Thurston don't make it easy on young men. Before it was you were jacked and a knucklehead or you were a bit nerdy but had a financial future. Now Instagram is showing you both on 10!!! Jacked and with cash, that is not the real world.

[@ConservativeSatanist666]

"Comparison is the thief of joy" Very true

[@aleidius192]

I think men will feel better if they start trying to form IRL communities about things that they value. This will require a conscious effort on the part of each individual to think about what's important to them and then to actually pursue those values in the world.

[@edenbreckhouse]

We had IRl communities and then they got invaded by women who hated the idea of men having their own spaces.

[@kordontheimpaler22]

Give men a reason to go into the IRL communities then maybe you’ll see a change. As of now there is no reason for us to care.

[@aleidius192]

@@kordontheimpaler22 You are rationalizing indolence.

[@kordontheimpaler22]

@@aleidius192 I pay taxes for others Indolence created by a society not giving us what is needed to be happy and succeed. They just take man, men are disposable in this society. Why fight for a nation who sees me as a monster?

[@3hristopher]

You right

[@faboolean7039]

On the topic of 50%of men perusing dating this generation I want to just share my thoughts. I’m one of these men at 20 years old, I regularly exercise practice BJJ, don’t drink and sleep well consistently - my testosterone levels are healthy. I do want to find myself in a long term relationship with a good woman but I have no idea how to find good women with good values at this age. I refuse to use online dating because that seems like a pathetic mess to me and I don’t go out to clubs and bars a lot so I guess I’m purposefully handicapping myself on some easy opportunities because I value the goals I want to achieve regarding my health, fitness and career over drinking culture. I’m at the point where I’ve accepted that I’m going to prioritise building my dream career and building an elite physical condition for myself over spending all this time and mental energy on the dating scene. If the right woman wanders into my life I won’t ignore her but, the goals I already have outside dating are already so large and ambitious that I have to be careful with what I get my mind obsessing over. I also worry about getting myself into a relationship that isn’t actually beneficial at all for me and only ever sets me backwards when it comes to my life ambitions.

[@Ace-xt8lv]

Smart man

[@-glitch-8195]

I appreciate that you thought that far. To be honest, most men are just trying to attract a woman and have no idea how she fits into what he's trying to achieve. That seems to be a serious point of contention in most relationships so its best to acknowledge it before hand and act on it. And at 20 years old, I wish you the very best!

[@ThatsnotwhereIparkedmycar]

Chris and Mike, you are wise beyond your years. You are thoughtful, articulate and speak truth. Young people can learn so much from you both - Please keep spreading the wisdom

[@emperorsean1]

I'm not making a killing at 34 when I graduated I was unemployed for 3 years as there was no work in Ireland.

[@etho86]

I think its dangerous for all these young men to aspire to become multimillionaire "influencers". The amount of people who make it big is extraordinarily small. Congrats to the ones who make it, but the vast majority do not.

[@Steepedteatime]

How the perceived bro science youtubers are actual competent intellects sharing personal thoughts and life experiences, for the better of man.

[@arkdude8484]

yup

[@chad9971]

My youngest brother is 10 years younger than me (I'm 27 he's 17), but the high school lives we've lived are completely different. I remember how cool it was just to have the internet on my first iPhone outside of wifi. My younger brother's attire and IG posts are leagues above mine from high school. There's a whole internet pressure that he's striving to compete with, and it's taken a toll on him (he's had to start seeing a counselor for mental health). I was mostly carefree in high school (besides typical HS drama) cuz I never had to compare myself with how other teenagers dressed across the country, what they drive, how many followers they had, etc. Your teenage years are too impressionable for them to have this level of access to the internet.

[@donjohnson2428]

I’m one year older than you and I agree. Back when were in high school, instagram was all about posting cool pictures of random things and making them look cooler with filters. Now it’s a non-stop pissing contest where everyone tries to make their lives look as glamorous as possible. I think our age group group got lucky in that social media was mostly harmless in our middle school-high school years. It’s a totally different beast now.

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

In Australia, if people are doing better than before (less unemployment, rising wages) the Federal Government imports 250,000 people a year just to make sure wages start going down, housing prices go up and there is higher unemployment (= no jobs goes without a worker, even the lowest paid that you can't live off). The Government has a theory that every business deserves a cheap worker, rather than every worker deserving a living wage. On top of that, every property owner needs enough people coming in to keep the value of their property as high as it can go, rather than everyone without a house needs a cap on how many people are brought into the country so they can buy in a less high-demand market.

[@smugprout5698]

True

[@RobbieeeG]

From what I’ve seen the wages in Australia are really high.

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

@@RobbieeeG For those jobs where they can't import surplus workers for it, yes. But not for the jobs where they can.

[@nicholasgannas5018]

​@@RobbieeeG So are the expenses and property

[@RobbieeeG]

@@nicholasgannas5018 yeah i guess, but i'm from the UK and the wages compared to expeneses are a joke.

[@ChrimsonChin]

The fact that you don't mention yourself as a good role model is part of why you are one. I think you are doing a great job chris.

[@FreshFitMiami]

Ayyyy shoutout to the homies!

[@yaseenkhaliq]

It's awesome the way you put these questions forward so perfectly worded !!!

[@DarkManBeatzUrFace]

Chris is so intelligent and articulate he's a great interviewer and thanks for the advice and knowledge

[@F4ttym4n]

The reason young men are using J.P. or Huberman as a role model is because most of us realize we'll never be a world class PHD. Anyone can wrap their heads around, make money, go to the gym, work even when you don't feel like it. Those are simple concepts that are accessible to all men, reading thousands of hours of scientific papers in order to manufacture you're perspective is just not realistic for most of us.

[@cccc7006]

Holy moly, didn't realize how Chris and Mike look alike. Also, it looks like Chris and Mike are the supporting casts here. Their forearms are the main characters. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tedratliff2154]

I think the rapid exchange of information has put unrealistic expectations on many. Don't worry about what others think, work on yourself so you can take care of yourself.

[@ChrimsonChin]

You know, in this crazy wold in these current times its people like you and your content that evens the odds for people in the sea of insanity

[@timgoodpointblank9073]

The part on reputation at 1:07:00 is such a huge part of why Chris is so successful. I really admire the way you're able to fuck em and be yourself, along with upholding high morals, and not falling short to the temptation of greed that surrounds us all.

[@ricasso777]

Chris interviewing himself 😅

[@darmy713]

Truth about The Dark Knight Rises story. I don’t think men have as much incentive to do that due to devaluing masculinity. I think that sacrificial instinct also carries over to serving in the military, of which men and recruitment are generally down significantly for much the same reasons.

[@danwilkinson9001]

Putting it out there Chris, I still have my orange Voodoo riverside hoodie from ten years ago, smashing it mate

[@VeslemoyH]

@Chris Williams - To answer your question at 45:30 - About why women dont want to raise their voice. Your thoughts around that women don't want to be on camera because of how they look and that this is the main concern, its a bit one-dimensional, its a bit removed from reality for me. Reducing women to that its only about looks. To be fair a lot of society & media perpetuate that too, yet I think it is a lot more complex. In my experience, it has more to do with incentives. What do you gain from raising your voice and sharing your opinions as a woman? What do you have to gain? As someone who has continuously voiced my opinions and had a lot of leadership roles throughout my life, I have made the experience of continuously being told as a woman that it's too much, I am to much, and it makes me undesirable / unwanted in large parts of work environment or society. You take up a space that is seen as not for you, a space you should not take up, and sometimes the backlash for that is quite violent. Rape threats - aggressive messages from men, sexualized pushback that is intended to humiliate you that feels to me like an act of trying to establish dominance - essentially saying "You can be smarter than me, more successful than me, know more about this than me, yet I can still take you down with this - Calling you a whore, describing how to rape you, or other comments about what is your place in the world, that you belong in the kitchen, cleaning, etc. along those lines. And there are several research studies that show that comments & harassment women get when being vocal are more sexualized and degrading by nature. When I was 28, the comments from men on an article about me & my DJ career with my collective were that women only have temper no tempo, that we should be sent to auschwitz, that I am a women in my late 20's desperately trying to stay relevant because my age essentially renders me irrelevant. When is a man ever rendered irrelevant because he has passed 30? Sometimes these things are just exhausting to deal with and the little positive you might gain from it, I think for many doesnt feel worth it / doesnt outweigh the negatives. Additionally, when I primarily dated men earlier in my life I was always told that being vocal or having a lot of opinions / talking about difficult or political topics, would make me less attractive and would make it more difficult to find a partner. And I felt that as well. When men gain high profile and leadership roles it makes them more desirable, I always had the experience that it eventually would make me less desirable. And the men who were attracted to me, I was constantly told by others that they were special and that I should be greatful for someone putting up with me. I bypassed this a bit when I started dating women, and suddenly these traits where more high status and making me seen as more desirable in our LGBTQI-environments and communities. I think there's more to it then what I have mentioned here, just wanted to point out a few things and that its a complex topic.

[@jz372]

Men don't understand the harassment we are under just for being someone with a voice. They don't even know the third of this kind of vitriol we get. The fact that these guys think it's about our look just prove how much men have no idea about what's it like to be a woman. Women are constantly told to shut up and just be pretty. If we are too smart or too powerful, we will pay the price for it. I guess men just don't care and don't want to understand. They are too busy thinking that masculinity is being attacked just because women want to stop being attacked as the weaker sex and reduced to a sex object all the time, and that it used to be better in the old days when women were slaves to men. .

[@juicybleu5438]

there’s really a whole lot of young men from 20-30 that have completely checked out and have settled into niche fringe communities that are looked down on by society

[@Ryan-Horgan]

There isn't much depth to Mike is there. I see potential, but I actually think he hasn't got the guts to formulate his own opinions and express them. It left a podcast with Chris carrying it the whole way

[@ismailh-dw4dh]

I agree, I’ve noticed this about Mike - it’s always the other person carrying the podcast or discussion, even when it’s his own podcast.

[@shannonhooper7945]

I mean, I’ve never known an emotionally healthy girl/woman who hero worships anyone. That’s more of a guy thing. We tend to look up to our mothers & grandmothers. If you’re looking for female role models, you should probs look closer to home. My mom put herself through college on a ROTC scholarship at a time when only about 7% of US women obtained college degrees. She worked full time while in school getting her nursing degree as a head nurse of a ward in a local hospital (you didn’t need a college degree to be an RN back in the day). Her army unit was given an award for heroism when they were told to evacuate an area due to enemy fire & chose as a unit to stay & treated the soldiers coming off the battlefield while taking fire themselves. But also, Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama, Sheila Johnson, Melody Hobson, Sonya Sotomayor, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Mackenzie Scott, Melissa French (Gates), Diane Von Furstenberg, Jacinda Ardern, Angela Merkel, Sara Blakely, Zendaya, Rihanna, Patricia Bright - there are so many female role models there’s no way to even name them all

[@sarahbenmusic]

I agree with the lack of support between women. Some will only support you if it makes them look good. It's very passive-aggressive.

[@GregoryM1]

Chris says, "There is an ever dwindling pool of guys that are eligable for you." It's worth noting that this is absolutely by choice from the women. They are doing this to themselves, because of feminism. A lot of girls AND GUYS think they are way better than they actually are, and reach for partners that are in a completely different ballpark.

[@MargaretBelle]

no it's not because of feminism it's because now we don't depend on men to live our lives we want more than the substandard bottom of the barrel shit. we don't need men to survive. and as for men the bar is on the floor for men where women are held to such higher standars. so now we have the power to choose people who are good people and treat us well not just give us financial stability when we can do that ourselves. stop blaming feminism and admit guys need to get it together and over themselves

[@anthonyramirez7272]

I actually know why I don’t like any of the male role models posited: I feel like my father and mine’s relationship has been rocky, there still is a lot of hurt that hasn’t been acknowledged, I don’t feel like he and I were close, and there have been so many transgressions that I promised myself at some point in time that I would be nothing like my dad. I wish there was a male role model I could actually click with; but I’m stuck

[@shadowfax333]

Hypothesis: Low Stakes male social activities that are *not* just partying or gaming have decreased. Every action nowadays has a perceived negative consequence, even posting a few words on social media. You can barely even experiment anymore. This is extremely harmful to men because men are not built to operate in social battles. Men need in person, physical team building activities that are not contrived icebreakers.

[@wehatethecold]

It's not good to hear kids most wanted job is an influencer. The real win is making the same/more money without ever getting fame. Total freedom.

[@AliMalik-yt5ex]

You can tell Mike is very careful about what he says. He wants to be involved in literally no controversy. Also, I'm confused, is this Chris interviewing Mike or Mike interviewing Chris? Because Chris is talking a lot more than Mike.

[@ChristophWalks]

Chris, if you read this, I really look up to you, brother. I think we are about the same age, we are both CW initials, and you are living a simple but successful life. You seem to have it dialed in, and your wisdom and way with words amazes me. I am the same way about barely drinking anymore. Non-alcoholic beer for me now. Way better for the long-term progress and mindset. I am dialing in my fitness as well. Your results inspire me to be great. One day would love to have my own successful business as well. So what I am trying to say is you are a person I look up to who inspires me. 💪 Love your content. I live in Houston. Hopefully one day we’ll cross paths ✌️.

[@jackgs247]

This is one of my favourite modern wisdom episodes. Extremely relatable to the part on dating, feeling lost and then business as I have just set up my own. Thanks fellas

[@JoseLozano1694]

The part that you guys were talking about alcoholism I realized that my generation in uni we were not consuming alcohol that much but other drugs. Alcohol is not sexy any more for the young party people. They are doing molly, cocaine, acid and weed which I don’t know if it’s better or worst. Also as someone who lives in Las Vegas, people are not consuming alcohol for fun anymore, it has evolve to other drugs that actually are cheaper and give you a “better” feeling. Nice episode 🤙🏼

[@Ricardo-ur5os]

I agree 100%, the amount of casual drug taking there is nowadays is insane. I’m guilty of it, but just because people don’t drink as much defintely doesn’t mean the party atmosphere is lesser😅

[@jt.8144]

Start with the Internet. Everyone nowadays is pretty much "copy and pasting" everything that they see on line. They look up to all these "personalities" hoping to become that person. When that doesn't work or happen .. that puts them in a lost state of mind. Throw along the 'fear of judgement' from people that they will never meet in the real world. ..That's just the 'fundamentals.'.

[@The1ByTheSea]

I think you have a point there. At a time going to college and getting an IV league degree was important,Now people do not care.Why spend all that money and then go nowhere. So not even the rich are sending their kids to IV League schools anymore.Even Wall Street ,you do not need brokers anymore, one can do it online; one does not have to live in NYC .Wall Street is done, and without Wall Street,NYC is doomed .

[@mrbritisher9748]

I've got no issue with people not drinking it is ultimately the wiser choice at the same time can't stand when people preach about being sober 24/7 looking down at others that do indulge, it's the equivalent of the people that enjoy drinking asking someone why they don't annoying on both ends.

[@folarinpearse]

First podcast where I've seen someone interview "themselves" 😁😁 Honestly you guys are so similar! Good podcast!!

[@paulbrowitt7625]

I enjoyed seeing you both asking questions to each other.

[@mitchell9824]

One of the best podcasts👊🏻

[@EvanAnderson8]

Mike said he ignores what Andrew Tate says about woman, He’s only saying that because he doesn’t want to get cancelled

[@WillApplebyUK]

Great episode, been waiting for this one for ages!

[@KaiserBP]

Just two Chads giving Chad advice to normies😊

[@svenmuller5332]

Mike is a manlet

[@KaiserBP]

​@@svenmuller5332 5"10 is a Chadlet?lol

[@chingchingbling2145]

@@svenmuller5332 Wth? How tall is he? Isn't he 6 feet? He seemed to have been brutally rejected in some Tinder Chad fish experiments, despite being a gymmaxed Chad. Over for anything below Mega MEGA TERA Chads that are 6'5" and have started to evolve into growing wings n shiet.

[@pvc25]

Ha! That comment made me imagine being in a bar with these two chaps. Conversation would be awesome, but not a hope in hell I'm not completely invisible to the world. I mean, I *could* break out the Fedora and Boa, but let's be honest - it's a reach! 😅

[@michaellamont2605]

Smart, good looking, creative I'm mad, I can't read and right for toffee. I'm just hoping my HEX will be going up

[@austiebosty9727]

Another great podcast! Keep it up friend.

[@optoutist]

On the lack of female role models part>> I am a 35yo (recently single, 'involuntary childless' as Chris would say) female, have listened to Rogan since 2013 or so (he is basically my dad in my head), and currently a huge fan of Chris for the past 2+ years, and I must say - I can very well integrate the advice of Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Andrew Huberman, and such, into my values and ethics and lifestyle, without feeling conflicted about being different genders. I am aware - of course, I just get the beautiful/sensual/ strong/single female perspective off of say a fun comedian duo/businesswomen podcast such as Girls Gotta Eat, I guess, and take the morals and wisdom from other older and wiser people I respect. Actually, I have, until Chris and Mike mentioned it, NEVER even considered I don't have a female role model in the internet/podsphere, but I can think of examples of very inspiring women and just now realized - most of them are not "successful" in the "Girl Boss"/ economic/ capitalistic sense of the word (nothing wrong with that, just saying). But, yeah, I am a 35yo "opt-out-ist", so I guess I don't seek that. Hope this perspective helps, though. Appreciate you both very much! xx Lin

[@svenmuller5332]

Damn girl you Better hurry up and get yourself pregnant😊

[@itzbebop]

Chris Williamson interviews his reflection

[@CerebralFriction]

Everytime either Matt or Mike talk about being natural, they get all nervous like they're sweatin

[@theydontmakeemliketheyused9995]

I always feel so conflicted about Mike. Seems like a chill dude with interesting perspectives. Then I remember he owes a great deal of his success to being a fake natural, and he’s up there with Mike o Hearn when it comes to the denial and lies. And being able to lie that much for basically a decade and on camera is quite narcissistic and sinister.

[@Rose_19911]

oh give over, if he admits to steroid use it just goes against all his sponsors & endorsements, the man still clearly had worked hard for that physique

[@AdamBechtol]

His narcissism showed through a bit here as well when he spoke like kingmaker for female role models.

[@VolatilityTradingStrategies]

That meetup part in Dubai at the end was important. I'm new in dubai, I've got a successful company, former pro golfer, but I don't know anyone in Dubai. It's an amazing place but Mike is right, if you're new it's actually pretty difficult to break into the right networks. Might have to look into your mastermind. Thanks guys, great podcast!

[@JeffreyGillespie]

The thing is, as a man, all you really need to do these days is look out for yourself. You don’t have to set arbitrary benchmarks. You don’t have to compare yourself to others. Just do you. I know the programming is to hold yourself up to some standard represented by others. I’m 50 and I promise you that is death. There will always be summer one richer, better, looking, taller, etc. Just do you.

[@nyrick999]

44:47 The reason why smart successful females don't want to speak up as role models is because they know they can get cancelled if they tell the truth. They are successful and smart which is a rarity in women, so it is not realistic to expect most women to achieve that level of success and independence. It is rare to see a woman that thinks like a man and has the skills most women don't have. They are better off keeping it a secret or else they will be hated for telling the world that most women have being lied to into trying to be like men.

[@Sevendaver]

Be sensitive and listen to what people are telling you. There will be no need to sell.

[@robertbarga3694]

Damn. The conversation that begins around the 34:08 mark is REALLY powerful stuff.

[@dipro001]

For the first time in history, Chris is the less muscular one!

[@NebulaComments]

Been waiting the whole day for this one Chris! Very excited to listen :) Thank you for putting out such quality content, so often ❤

[@CodHumors]

These kids are getting rich by providing valueless services. - Streaming - Merch - Energy drinks, etc They provide zero societal value other than very mild forms of entertainment. Forgettable entertainment. It's valueless entertainment. I would encourage young men to strive to contribute something positive to society; not to be completely self-serving by peddling useless goods and services.

[@SilverLumberjack]

Nice to have your brother on the show Chris.

[@carbon1479]

32:28 - I can easily understand when dealing with the opposite sex is like smashing yourself in the face with a brick all day - sex drive, no matter how strong, just doesn't hold up and ends up being something liminal / mystical that you explore in private.

[@gazc8872]

For us older guys we had a purpose and a path - the role of the provider / protector...we could enjoy our youth with full knowledge of the next phase of our lives...everything was mapped out - there was a blueprint. That's not the case anymore - or seemingly so. The concept of not knowing what's next is scary...and young guys are panicking and looking for guidance...

[@hufficag]

Yeah there is nothing next. Graduated during the financial crisis, engineering jobs not hiring. Now 37, still living the young bachelor life. Once I start a professional job I might get married and buy a house, but it's also possible I'll turn 50 or 60 still as a young bachelor.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

Can you help us? Pointing out doom and gloom isn't helping us right now.

[@aroosa_fitness]

I was just listening to this full podcast on Spotify I have never listened to a complete podcast of yours other than the one you did with David goggins but most of it was just him talking but I never realised till today how much knowledge you do actually possess after listening to this one

[@NewNoise02]

Chairs are too short for the table height

[@slaptheaskshow130]

Really should post the alcohol sequence as a clip. Very honest and informative.

[@vladimirobreja8360]

Only shortly understood Mike and Chris are not the same person

[@GJones247]

Men are not just retreating; women also are not rewarding men. Men do the things that are considered masculine not just for themselves but also for valor. Being a man, use to make women drool. But be honest with yourselves, when you walk outside, how many women do you use with actual men. We will soon reach a point where the few men that there are will have to not only protect the women and children, but also the guys that they are with.

[@tuinov6286]

Dont protect women. They will just disrespect you. Especially black women. Leave them alone, they will never love you.

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

@@tuinov6286 white women too

[@thomascoxe7545]

Title is why young guys feel lost 15 minutes in and you two keep talking about youtube fitness. Now i feel lost too.

[@angelcandelaria6728]

That fact that so many people watch other people watch things will never compute.

[@DarkManBeatzUrFace]

I think people need to stop using social media start focusing on their own life instead of others I never cared for social media

[@sad.studios]

I think the reason that the Paul brothers are able to withstand so much scrutiny is that their brands were initially built on sensationalism as a pose to Chris and Mike’s brands which are centred around more educational, philosophical and lifestyle content. In a lot of ways it’s the same reason people follow the Kardashians, it’s just entertainment. I think it is possible to dislike them and still have enough curiosity to keep engaged with their content, obviously there is a core group that supports them but I think that’s part of it at least. I have found I am constantly up to date on their lives but don’t particularly care for either of them lol

[@bigbenexploration]

Great to see the progress from both since the last podcast they did together …. I’ve been around long enough to see that :)

[@laaaliiiluuu]

The world is not getting harder. People are getting weaker thanks to fast food, porn, no exercise, no meaningful occupations, lack of social life etc. In fact, life has never been as easy for most people as it is now, relatively speaking. But easy does not necessarily mean good. The system won't change for you because it doesn't give a crap about you. Become strong enough and find allies so you can together create your own system.

[@tonya3144]

This was a very, very good interview. Thank you for all you are doing for your fellow man.

[@Sevendaver]

I have lunch every 2nd Tuesday of each month with ~ 20 other guys at a local restaurant for no other reason than to get out and talk about whatever. Our group is called Romeo and we are all north of 60.

[@jingsish]

Thank God you both have a more healthy view of Tates content! 1st rule of posting something online is that it will always remain there! He is bombastic and does chat “shit”! For obvious self centred reasons! The references you pull up on models of masculinity are far more bonafide. Congrats to u both for cutting through the nonsense and weeding out the truth. Authenticity (for its sake alone) is one of the most valuable commodities today! Abrazos

[@alelectric2767]

As an introvert I’ve been in monk mode for over 30 years lol