Are you sure you need 1 ton axles?

1 TONS... DANA 60, DANA 70, DANA 80, 14 BOLT, STERLING 10.5. Do you need one ton axles? Are you sure? Your Dana 44, or Toyota axles might not be enough for your project. In today's video we will explore when it's time to bite the bullet and get those axles your buddies have been saying you need. Not everyone needs to upgrade but in certain builds, one ton axles are the only way you can meet the demands of your 4x4.
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[@metaldog7128]

Never apologise for teaching something to people, everyone has to start somewhere 👍

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

100% agreement. Rod Hall and Ivan Stewart did not pop out of the womb knowing how to offroad race...

[@FirstGendodgegarage]

When people don’t listen and then ask for help later is a kick in the nuts

[@cliffziglar]

finally somebody tells the truth about needing axles and weight

[@immelting9834]

Still looking for a axle set for my WJ and 37's

[@CFairNH]

" Going through ring and pinions like nobody's business." Best wine in the whole video. Always enjoy the content, Keep it coming.!! You really inspired me to do a lot of my own fabrication over the last few months, I love it. And I've noticed recently. That you're editing. Camera work, etc. Has all gotten better. Keep up the good work.!!

[@DirtLifestyle]

Thanks buddy, I appreciate it 👍

[@gen1c8rs88]

@@DirtLifestyle A 1991 K5 Blazer with a 285 SAE HP 350 that weighs 6000 lbs with 30 spline 10 bolts and 37×12.50's, would I need a full float 14 bolt, just get the c-clip elimination kit, or leave the axles stock ?

[@D3thM3tal]

@@gen1c8rs88 Driving style plays a large role in how things survive as well. The 14B FF rear axle will be fine, the 10 bolt front may hold up if you leave it open and don't get on the throttle when turned it should be fine.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@gen1c8rs88 if you want to wheel hard on rocks, one tons are the way to go. Going slow on slick rock, then your axles will be fine... I put one tons under my 89 K5 as I climb rocks hard here in CO.

[@xmo552]

@@DirtLifestyle I'm off today doing alot of nothing, rest, and rebuild (myself). So I'm on KZbin looking at kustoms, Holdener's channel, Mustangs, Jeep stuff, etc. So I want to ask the question nobody has asked. How do you feel about the super 35 kits? The application is a 2004 WJ, stock everything except it's on 33s maybe 35s one day but probably not. Light weekend wheeling with the fam., very minimal weight added. My main rear axle I was looking at was an iron Dana 44.

[@HomeWrenchin]

You ALWAYS need tons. The only thing that would make my wife’s Mazda 6 better is tons and 40s 😂

[@bugsnstuff5643]

😂

[@immelting9834]

I'm looking at putting 44's under my BMW X5

[@MikeMac90]

Man it was like you were talking to me personally. I have an xj on 33s looking to go 37s. Great video!

[@difflockengage9228]

Same but samurai

[@aarons2613]

I have an xj on Dana 44s front and rear with 35 x 12.5 and I wouldn’t go 37s without doing a bigger t case

[@foihdzas]

Ill never come close to needing Tons, but im really looking forward to watching your fabrication and build of this LC

[@hazyhuckleberry7642]

I have been a disco owner for 12 years now, and I have dreamt about doing this same thing for the last 10 of them but lack the Know-how. Thank you for your hard work, research, and disco love!

[@hawkie333]

Wise words, and as always..great content! You’re so right about the weight....it sneaks up on you with all the crazy bumpers and gear on the market. The unsprung weight itself is actually insane when you add a D60, D80, and big tires, calipers, etc. My truck is a completely different vehicle when unloaded and no rack. I was at 8700 lbs empty and I realized I was already legally at full GCVW....I had to start lightening things up and it makes a big difference.

[@mikehancho5286]

2016 JKUR 4" Mopar lift, Yuon 4:88's, Gusseted "C's" , RCV 32 spline Front shafts, Ten factor 32 spline rear shafts, 37's Milestar Patagonia's. Shaved stock rear bumper, Poison Spyerfront bumper. I dont carry a ton of gear since I dont wheel alone. Wheelign style is easy on the $$$$ pedal,and I hit Easy to moderate trails in Washington/Snow wheeling. I consider my build mild, and capable with decent reliability. Just as long as you know when to let off, and pull cable. Everything breaks...............EVERYTHING. It is all on how you treat it. Ya got to...... "If you're gonna play the game, boy You gotta learn to play it right You've got to know when to hold 'em Know when to fold 'em Know when to walk away And know when to run"

[@cencoast_7.340]

Thanks for the parts list of your vehicle

[@sseibonnevilleman]

Been running my 99-04 60 for 2 years with original shafts and joints from the JY. Finally after 2 years I broke a lockout.... that’s with a welded carrier, 5.38s, 41.5 Rockers.

[@MrJohnnyboythefirst]

This is exactly what i wanted to see, Never too much information. cant wait to do this myself

[@cincybrian5177]

Thank you for all the great intel; appreciate you taking the time to do these in-depth vids before the build. Great stuff!

[@ericmillier6652]

No need for an apology. I watch for the information you provide and the great entertainment. Keep building my KZbin friend and don’t stop doing what you do!

[@glenncourtney4876]

I had a 78 Jeep Cherokee Chief for a while, had a T18 4 speed, Dana 20 transfercase with center output and an offset Dana 44 rear axle. The offset rear axle was what most Cherokees had because the quadratrac transfercase had the offset to the right with a rear output. Drove that thing quite a bit and never had any issues with joints or driveline. One tons are so cute and girly. I have a set of Axletech 4000s that are going to find their way under one of my M715s soon.

[@johnduff6436]

Thinking of jumping into some fab work on my old XJ now that I'm officially retired. Your stuff is informative and pleasant to see.

[@praterbrothers4wd907]

I’ve broken 30 spline stubs and lockouts. My brother running the same axle has as well. Spiced solid joints have held up pretty well. I finally upgraded to 35 spline stubs and flanges.

[@LvdMade]

Yes!! In so gonna love this one. I also was thinking to do something with the suspension setup, but keeping the stock axles.

[@duneattack]

Excellent Vid, Nate! The thing I most like about your videos is the information and technical considerations you present. You are always on point. Please, never, ever dumb it down for us. I come here to learn, not just to "See what everyone else is doing". I need the nuts and bolts of WHY people do what they do. I finally learned exactly why (in this vid) you are able get away with running built 44's on your JK , and all the considerations to take into account when deciding which axle to use! BIG THANKS to you, Brother. Keep your vid's tech and rationale heavy. I for one, eat that kind of stuff up... and while I'm at it, put this in your pocket: We are more knowledgeable Jeepers because of the time and effort you put into your presentations! Keep em coming! Ay Corona! :)

[@DirtLifestyle]

Thanks buddy! I appreciate the support 👊

[@fredflintstone1547]

my brother and I did the rubicon last week in his old 4runner on 38.5's with a 1 ton rear and smaller solid axle front that my brother swapped in with a wimpy 3.0L v6 geared super low. It was my first time wheeling and I'm hooked. my bro did most of the fabrication work himself and it turned out well. by the time we made it to observation point both of the rear shock mounts had failed, but the leaf springs got us home. I am now beginning my search for my own rig. I am leaning towards a 1st generation tundra with a 4.7L v8 as my canvas. thanks for the videos. Your presentation is very straight forward and clear. you obviously know your stuff.

[@richardbetzenderfer8577]

Watching this build with intense interest. I just picked up a 1967 Land Rover Series IIA and want to do much the same to it. The rear axle is already a one ton, but I hope to change the suspension to what it looks like you are about to do. Also glad to see you have better filters on that mask.

[@JoeGarofaloII]

$600 for the set of 1 tons?!?! Nice! Can't wait to see you work on em!

[@MikeMac90]

That's what I'm saying near me you wont find these for less the $1000.

[@bradywilliams2666]

@@MikeMac90 Pair of 1 tons here are $800-1200.

[@coolHandLuke5150]

SD stuff is cheap and common. Do need a SD60? No but it cheaper to find and build thenna HP44.

[@HywayHauler]

SD 60, dime a dozen due to small diameter stubs and ball joint knuckles. HP king pin 60, those are the expensive ones.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

Kingpin 60 are only expensive because they're a little easier to convert over. SD60 are stronger than any old school KP axle.

[@pedevildog]

This video was perfect timing. I'm looking up 1 tons on a 4runner and needed something to watch while looking, and you happened to release a video about actually needing them or not. Now I'm even more confused on what I want. lol

[@kdigiacomo]

Great video as always. Appreciate all the extra info even if it doesn't apply to what I'm personally building. If the video was twice as long I'd still watch it all.

[@davidross43]

Hey, I just wanted to tell you as an owner of 3 jeeps, but not very mechanically inclined, I really enjoy your videos. I don't do alot of work on my own rigs so I have to pay to have the majority of the stuff done but the reason I love your videos is at least I can understand what exactly is being done and the reason behind it. VERY information, thank you!

[@DirtLifestyle]

No problem! Thank you for watching 👍

[@FishGoesWub]

Glad you uploaded this video, I have a FSJ Cherokee Chief on 40's , Custom 3 link in the front and a shackle flip in the rear ( I fabbed up everything ) I got it weighed (With a front and rear set of wilwood Big Brake calipers and rotors, as well as a bunch of other junk that shouldn't have been in there when I got it weighed. ) It came in right at 5k Lbs, People give me a lot of weird looks being on 40's and Dana 44's, And a lot of oh you're going to destroy your axles and this that and the other, But the truth is, its a 40 year old truck with a body in amazing shape, I'm not going to be wheeling the snot out of it and destroying the body, Some back road's and camping with capability to do some harder trails if need-be. The front axle Has RCV's in it and very nice ring and pinion, The back is the same but with stock axles (Yikes) . I'll continue to drive it this way unless I Break things, But then I have the 4wp warranty for 5 years so I'll just get replacement parts for free.

[@brianwills4398]

Absolutely 100% correct with everything you said. 36" tires on my xj with d44 up front and stock 8.25 in back. Weight is key, I don't carry a spare cause it's heavy.

[@VictorVectorJKU]

Good detail Nate! Definitely more for me to consider with the direction on my axle swap I need to do! I’m running my Dana 30 Dana 44 package with 3.73 on my JKU with 37’s and working to decide how to go. Excited to check out the fab video!

[@jimgavin1799]

Awesome video, I’m really looking forward to this build and your knowledge that goes with it. Thank you

[@marshallbailey95]

I love these videos because of the variety of trucks, and no prejudice of manufactures.

[@moabwheeling]

This is going to be an awesome build series Nate . Looking forward to see what your vision ends up being . Until next time take care my friend .

[@cracker_jacked_jlu]

And this video is why you are always my go to for anything build wise. Thank you for all the education and inspiration.

[@DirtLifestyle]

Thanks man 👊

[@SkyBlueOffRoad]

My 8.8 is 2.5 off center in my TJ and 5 years no issues being off center to passenger that i have found

[@7t2z28]

Same with my YJ.

[@MakinEndsMeet69]

Love your descriptions that you use, pretty honest about everything that you talk about that's for sure. Definitely a trustworthy wheeler, I like that for sure, it's like the description I use for urban Cowboys.You know the guys in the pickup trucks that are lifted like monster trucks but all they do is drive on the highway or go to the mall .LOL, Hey brother stay safe please you and your family God bless

[@05glisedan]

Thanks for the code... Came in handy on our last purchase.... Looking forward to this build.

[@lanceleavitt7472]

Great information, and I love that you're not reading from a script.

[@ivanperkes6006]

Good stuff. Excited to see the end product. Also made my first welding project because of your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@Bread996]

Hell to the yes. I kept the radius arms when I swapped in tons. Can’t wait to see how you link yours! When this damn quarantine is over I def wanna come check out your garage.

[@cincybrian5177]

Excellent, as always. 👍 Now you’ve got me planning out 1 tons, coils (and bags) on my Sport Trac 🧐 Thanks, Nate!

[@hisnameisiam808]

Based on your recommendation(and what I can afford) I've gone with the high pinion d30 from a Cherokee, trussed and an ox. Ford 8.8 rear. I understand I will be pushing it but I'm going to run 37s. I will get chromoly or cv eventually. For now I'm gonna do some light wheeling with the guys. I've wanted 37s ever since I purchased this jeep when I was 15 and it had 33s at the time. I'm 27 now and have never broken anything while offroad with the d35 and d30 that came with the jeep. I hope the 8.8 and hp30 are as good to me as these axels have been. Thank you and keep up the hard work!

[@slam8219]

super helpful I'm always trying to find info especially on newer axles, currently building a pair of 9" hybrid axles a 9" center 44 outer front and a 9" w/ 14 bolt hub 35 spline ARB rear.

[@stcfabworx1687]

Good video bro. So very true! Weight means more power needed. I went 1 tons because I daily drive my Jeep. And spent many times coming from browns camp with a broken stub shaft clicking all the way home to work on the Jeep so I can get to work the next day. So now I can wheel it drive home. Go to work hahaha. Just makes it a bit more bullet proof. Now I want to build a 14 bolt front. For my 69 Chevy service truck!

[@davethewelder1]

Great video. You talk specific issues, no messing around. Not looking to do your type of rock crawling, just some overland and beach drives. I'm thinking 8.8 rear axle and maybe Dana 35. Your info helps my decision-making. Thanks again.

[@austinsauer1373]

Looking to do 1 tons in the future. Informational videos are much appreciated!

[@africandude13]

Definitely don't apologize!! Looking forward to the next vid 🤟

[@landyandy9617]

Hey Nate, if not already done so might want to check the motor for slipped liner issues. The 4.6’s are notorious for it. Only fix is a full rebuild using a block that has ‘top hat’ liners installed... or an LS swap. Great content, keep it coming 👍

[@jake-coombs]

Good video as always. In the UK we fit Nissan y61 Axel's onto discovery 2 running gear. The rear axle has the diff in the centre with a wide angle prop shafts there is no problems. They are also running 40s.

[@DrHavok1]

YES!!! Super excited to see a new build this is going to be so much fun

[@Rover_it]

I am going through the exact same build right now, 2003 discovery, same color also,lol Cant wait to see what you have coming.

[@bendall2006]

That is good to know on the Dana 60. I have a 05 plus sitting in my garage. I just need to find something to put it under. Nice video.

[@jried9378]

Awesome, I’m on my 2nd Jeep with tons. Built the first one myself and had a shop do the 2nd

[@hobbyjumpers]

Loved this video. Even watched the ads all the way through to help support the channel! Looking forward to the driver to passenger side swap...

[@DirtLifestyle]

Thank you very much! I appreciate the support man

[@jodycorbitt8671]

Man, i had no idea the Disco's rear axle was that far off center. Definitely interested to see how the Sterling lines up (or doesn't) with a good driveshaft setup. Tuned in for the overland build for the Disco! Keep the solid content coming....loving it. And really liking the additional video editing.

[@jakelannetti3128]

It’s very cool how Nate seems to be daunted by no project, he will fabricate anything. This is gonna be a great project

[@ianboyd5436]

This looks like a great build super excited to see it come together.

[@TheGersh13]

Love all the info! Don't apologize for it!

[@kevinbates5760]

Great Vid!! It's great you are taking the Disco to the Rubicon. I am planning on taking my 5th gen 4runner. Getting it ready.

[@boostdtalon]

I’m glad I circled back and watched this episode. Lots of good information put out.

[@tomhubbard353]

Barnes Ford 8.8 truss/bracket to TJ kit is bad ass, I used it in my 99 and could not be happier!

[@TASCOM44]

Super pumped for this series of videos, I can't wait to see how the land rover turns out

[@Intergalactic_monkey]

Ive been looking at these discovery series 2. I have an extra set of Chevy 1 tons. I’m glad to see the rover is already a passenger drop

[@rockapeoverlandingandadven8935]

I learn each time I watch,new to channel but will continue to watch every video from here on out

[@scottmason2094]

I got 1 tons on my YJ, love them , can’t wait for more videos

[@BluePrintLab101]

Super informative! Awesome content, keep up the amazing work!

[@phillippearce9680]

Great info! Looking forward to the fab work!👍

[@honoratoherrera1048]

Just the title alone is golden, making videos about things I don't know I am curious about man

[@defender90keswick.nigelsla59]

I am sooo looking forward to this developing. I am currently fitting HD diff pans to my Land Rover axles and am considering custom truss fabrication. Keep these great videos coming!!

[@landyandy9617]

Defender90 Keswick. Nigel's Land Rover channel. You should check out my 609 axle development on Defender source, is a real mixed bag of parts 😉

[@TreAdidas]

This video helped me make up my mind. Very helpful. Thx!!

[@proflores4258]

Like I’ve said before great video brotha! One of my favorite shows was Xtreme 4x4 and I’d say you’re subs would agree you are the new version of that show. Love your stuff man! Keep doing what you’re doin!!!!!!

[@DirtLifestyle]

That is very high praise! Ian Johnson is a mentor of mine and definitely one of the best in business. Thanks for the compliment 👍

[@kyhillbillys10]

Something I've always believed in was over axle under power. Small motor with beefy axles. I'm running a typical yota setup with 38s and it done good. Now I had a s10 blazer with ton axles and 37s that drug axle everywhere. Very good video

[@AttwoodsGarage]

Good fun. I redid the JKR44 front in mine. Bought it in pieces, tubes had broke. Retubed with 3/8" wall DOM, has Barnes and Ballistic pieces, 4.88 and e locker. Have fun pressing the tubes out of the pig. Hope you have access to a lathe! :)

[@michael-michaelmotorcycle]

Deals are out there. I got 60’s for free. I was given a beat to shit 32k original mile Dodge truck that was a snowplow in a mountain subdivision it’s entire life. It ran & drove perfectly, it had just bounced off every tree in the county at least 3 times. I parted it out for the engine and axles. Axles for sure will be going in my scrambler soon.

[@lakeschoolrestorationchann1567]

I run 1 ton axles that came with my 2010 f250. Running 6in lift on 40s. I wheel hard. I am the only guy out of my crew that a) hasn’t blown their axle up, b) haven’t had wheel bearing failure, and c) haven’t had excessive brake wear or caliper failures. Not to mention I haven’t been replacing wearables either (such as ball joints). I hate having broken parts and having to work on something just to make it work (working on something to make it better is a different story). The only thing a Dana 60 gives up is weight and ground clearance, but you gain time between rebuilds, less parts breakage, ability to run bigger tires and more in the end more time wheeling less time fixing broken stuff.

[@Achisachis73]

Great info , this is what I keep telling people that want some big stuff for no reason other than brag about it

[@EverythingOutdoors]

Being a Design Engineer, Jeep guy and camping person, you are doing it correctly. You sure don't need my opinion, but I will say I agree with you.

[@gdazey1]

Dude thank you for keeping your channel running.

[@jad6126]

Wow that was a lot of really good info. I see why your putting 1tons in the land rover. I cant wait to see how you do the front axle, that looks like its going to be a real challenge.

[@95Z28A4]

I like how you did this. Detailed information upfront, then follow-up with the fab videos. I would also appreciate it if you state when you deviate from your original plan and why. A written compilation of parts used and part numbers/OEM application with the last fabrication video would be awesome. When I build/modify a vehicle, I build a spreadsheet with this information sorted by part type. (similar to online rockauto catalog) The spreadsheet makes finding replacement parts easy. The spreadsheet can be printed, laminated and stored in the vehicle glove box for road trips.

[@justintyme1449]

Awesome, glad to hear these 1 tons are reasonably priced.....i am planning an epic build..... Scratch built overlanding rig with everything you listed and more, so yes, it will have multiple 1 ton axles, Dana 80's with a rear mounted 8.3 Cummings an Allison 1,000 with overdrive. I know it will jack the price way up, but i believe it will be way more efficient to have automatic lockers instead of manual locking hubs

[@nathan.brazil780]

I am currently building a 1977 K5 Blazer and I have swapped in 1-ton axles already. Curb weight on this thing is about 4600 lbs with a SBC 350 engine. I will be going with a BBC 454, 4L80E transmission and NP205 T-Case. Those along with the steel winch bumper on front and steel swing tire bumper on back adds a lot of weight. Add on the 37's I plan to run and that adds a lot of stress to the axles. Luckily for me the axles I picked up (14B FF in rear and Kingpin D60 in front) bolt right in with very little modifications.

[@the4x4pig]

You are doing an awesome job Nate. Love the videos.

[@ZKTJ]

Hey Nate, keep up the good content, I love it! The only bone I had to pick was the 10.5 has 1.5" 35 spline shafts and the 14 bolt also has 1.5" shafts but the spline pitch is larger resulting in 30 splines for the same diameter. Again, killer content and I can't wait to see the passenger drop conversion!

[@masedogg3]

The 14 bolt also only has a 10.5" ring gear, but it has a pinion support bearing that eliminates pinion flex making it a bomb proof axle.

[@ZKTJ]

@@masedogg3 I've been super happy with mine so far!

[@street_legal_go_kart7356]

Love that vid. Seems like everyone is always crying out need one tons 44 are not a up grade. A lot of variables. 2 door JK 35s rockjock 44 Detroit Locker carbon chromoly shafts seems like a decent upgrade to me. 4,500lb Torson lsd rear d44 also carbon chromoly shafts .

[@Wooskii1]

Can't wait to see you get started!

[@ironhorseoverland7353]

Hey I love your channel, it is amazing to see the things you do with fabrication....

[@garysteele9141]

I am not into off roading, but love the content and fabrication info! Great channel!

[@DirtLifestyle]

Thank you! I'm happy to have you aboard!

[@wesbarcus3761]

Have a 93 YJ. 10 years ago I put 1 tons under it with 37s. Everybody asked why. Now, 10 years later I'm heavily armored, atlas 4 speed, nv4500, 9. 5 Warn winch, and EVERYTHING is still original on the 1 tons , nothing has broken yet, and I go wherever I want.

[@kevinwatt5629]

The offset for the rear axle is nothing to worry about. Ford 8.8 in a wrangler is a bit offset to paasenger side. U joint angles offset each other

[@mesanders1113]

Well said sir! Weight is the most important overlooked factor.

[@nonope9191]

I got the 3 link 4 link kit from them years ago for my 97 tj kingd60 14b. Awesome parts prices and people. I drag a 20' shipping container with 2 big 1000# safes in it. Like 7000# just dragging it around. Big oaks on my property in tn. I love my TJ on tons little tractor with coilovers

[@17quarters48]

Great video, thanks, I have a variety of land rovers fro a 1968 to a 02 Disc, the reason land rover put the pumpkins both on the right is so you go over a rock on the left and miss hitting them

[@tonesguitars]

yes, thank you for this video!

[@menash23]

Looking forward to follow this build.

[@tiredofinsanity]

Welded little caps on mine got tired of them breaking. They held up pretty good after that. If the joint goes bad I'd have had to grind it back off but lasted me 2 years before I sold it!

[@05glisedan]

We could never have too much information... Keep'em coming...

[@jayr1757]

The information was awesome in this video!

[@jamesdean5888]

Good job bro i love watching you stuff thanks for all the tips am tricks

[@jonaathansimons7938]

Low buck option for the front axle u-joint ears issue- weld a plate on the outside ala Iron Rock Offroad's "Almost Alloy" caps for the D30. Reinforces the weakness of the ears' thin wall and reduces 'warping' under heavy load. Not as cool as RCVs, but buys time to save the scratch while usin' yer rig...

[@dmelberg]

Love all the info. Thank you!!

[@RunDub]

The nice thing about the Rover layout being offset to the right and all in line, is that it makes clearing obstacles easier, knowing that if the front diff clears, the t-case and rear diff will as well. Far more streamlined than having everything scattered.

[@RunDub]

(Edited for typo)

[@patriotbiker2594]

I don’t mind informational vids at all. I actually enjoy them.