Arezu gets Around! 🚀🪐 Pokémon Legends Arceus Family Tree | Gnoggin

[@Zactoshi]

Ngl, when Arezu first got revealed my immediate thought was that she's an ancestor of Silver before Mars.

[@CoolMintMC]

Same.

[@MisterMuffinut]

Congratulations on getting married man

[@reginlief1]

I think that says more about you than her design.

[@syniimon-stix4022]

@@reginlief1 I think it's probably more to do with the fact that Arezu and Silver have more common design elements than Arezu and Mars do.

[@koheirichan]

same

[@PedroHenrique-mk5zi]

We could deduced Agatha and Bertha were related way before Legends Arceus. Not only they have similar designs and english names that both end with "tha", their japanese names are, respectively, Kikuko and Kikuno

[@waverider6302]

That’s cool but I don’t think it confirms anything

[@majesticgothitelle1802]

I believe Agatha is Gary/blue grandmother. Since in the Pokemon world trainers normally leave their family behind in the pursuit of their dreams. Oak is the one who gives up on being a master and went of a nurturing and a professor past. It would make oak a single father the opposite of a single mother in the Pokemon world.

[@FWU100]

Also in english both their name have six letters one begins with A the other with B

[@majesticgothitelle1802]

@@FWU100 all I know that oak and Agatha know either other and once a couple even married. That would make Agatha having a greater evidence to be related. Plus in the backstory Agatha is the one who left while oak change to be more calmer, nurturing and to be a professor. At that point of oak to change personality, desire and while making Agatha to leave something has to happen and keep the desires to remain as a trainer that lead to being an elite four. I guess the birth of oak and Agatha child what cost the separation. By that case oak and Agatha would mostly likely had one child somewhere down the line something happen to the mother and father leaving oak as a soul caretaker for the granddaughter and grandson.

[@erinbeaud4556]

Fun fact: Kikuko and Kikuno can mean “child that asks” and “one that asks” in Japanese, respectively. Is that relevant? Nope. Is it even intentional? Probably not.

[@castform7]

"Arezu gets around" I can definitely see it. Have you seen her official art. Those are the bedroomiest bedroom eyes I've ever seen.

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

And the description emphasizes her silhouette as "pear shaped body"

[@Klonoahedgehog]

@@DanielPereira-ey9nt So under that baggy outfit she thicc, nice.

[@castform7]

@@DanielPereira-ey9nt I swear to Arceus Pokemon knows what they're doing sometimes.

[@7swordquanta459]

Not gonna lie. Arezu is cute.

[@rosesnviolets7444]

That wasn't my exact first though when I first saw her in the trailer, but it was one of them. And I don't think that's a good thing

[@commandermercury6654]

I wholeheartedly support this theory. My personal headcanon is that Mars is Silver’s older sister and that she moved to Sinnoh to get away from all the Team Rocket family drama sometime before HGSS. She naturally gravitated to Team Galactic since a life of crime was all she’d known growing up.

[@HauntedMushroom96]

Naturally GRAVITATED to team galactic But yeah this does add a cool and intersting backstory to her.

[@commandermercury6654]

@@HauntedMushroom96 Would you believe me if I said that choice of words was a total accident? 😅

[@HauntedMushroom96]

@@commandermercury6654 yup. I wasnt expecting it to be intentional

[@reginlief1]

…why would she move away from an organised crime group, where she had power as the daughter of the leader and an admin, to then go join another crime group in another country(?) where we can assume she had to at least earn her position? Very odd.

[@aedaniammx7559]

To me, it seems more like it would be Mars is Ariana’s younger sister, and they just moved to different regions from each other for whatever reason, likely Ariana moved from Sinnoh since Arezu was there.

[@myriadofcolours9861]

I feel like people are forgetting we can have multiple ancestors and descendants And also that people can have multiple children

[@mjangelvortex]

Yeah, Legends Arceus discussions sometimes get so annoying because of that.

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

a lot of us stop at one kid as they are nightmares lol

[@JCasR3]

Look at Ghangis Khan…

[@gamechanger8908]

My grandma has like 7 children over the course of her life, which spawned multiple generations of relatives, and she was monogamous devoted to my grandpa till death. Also seeing as Hisui was in the past when life was more harsher than modern Sinnoh hard times make people bare more children like how China boomed a lot of kids since the great leap forward.

[@dataexpunged4784]

@@JCasR3 TFW your pull out game is so weak that you end up becoming the common ancestor to about 1% of the world's population

[@sadib100]

While Arezu has a very Japanese sounding name, her Japanese name is Hinatsu. Archer's Japanese name is Apollo. I find it fascinating that the Team Galactic executives are named after Roman Gods, while the Team Rocket executives are named after Greek Gods.

[@mjangelvortex]

Kinda fits given they were also named after planets and rockets/missiles.

[@sadib100]

Athena and Mars are both gods of war.

[@qwirkt]

Hinatsuboshi is an archaism for Mars in Japanese, fits very well

[@draghettis6524]

The Ariane line of spaceships was named after Ariadne ( named "Ariane" in French, who participated a lot to the Ariane program, as they were those who proposed the project and they already had a few rockets before ( all named either after gems, or after women's names, so Ariane was fitting ) )

[@apm69]

I think Slivers mom is the sister of mars and mars is the other girl I forgot her name

[@akilcharles3473]

@@apm69 Hang on by chance that wouldn't be Jesse would it!? I mean it's a stretch but Jesse's mother was a member of Team Rocket, could it be possible that Jesse's mother is Ariane? It's a wild guess but I need to know.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

Silver's red eyes might be a mistake, because of his mother. Like, an artist gave him red because got told in the board meeting, "oh yeah this is Silver's mother" and they went back to work and colored them red to match, while forgetting he had been given grey eyes in all other depictions.

[@spindash64]

I like to imagine he wears nonprescription contacts

[@barniiwoop]

Nah he just forgot to take his allergy meds

[@lilydi7302]

It makes sense that his eyes would be Grey because of his name (why name him Silver otherwise?) But this makes sense.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

​@Lily Di He doesn't even wear grey sadly.

[@caiusdrakegaming8087]

@@spindash64 That would make sense to hide his heritage.

[@zkarzalgo5849]

There is something I did notice when I was looking up characters to do ancestors for a working project. When I was going through the characters, I noticed Roark's hair looked extremely similar to Silver's and Ariana's hair, especially the parts at the back of their hair. The fringe I am not so sure as Roark wears a hard hat, but the back is extremely close to Silver's and Ariana's. I know Byron's hair does not represent Silver's hair in anyway, but I thought that I'd mention Roark in some regard as his hair is so close that I feel like that they could be a part of their family tree. Or I'm overthinking it.

[@LycanMOON]

I actually learned this from jello apocalypse.in the ranking every Pokémon character video they state this when they get to Roark It’s really interesting,maybe Roark and mars are cousins while Ariana and silver are distant relatives who moved to jhoto in the past?

[@aaronolson6736]

Roark should have 2 parents, could be that his mother is a descendant of Arezu and then Byron doesn't have to fit into this.

[@cryanide87]

Also Roark and Arezu share poses in their official art!

[@fluxgoodra9034]

@@LycanMOON I personally have the theory that Ariana was originally the wife of Byron in Canalave City, had Roark and maybe Mars with him but then left him and got with Giovanni.

[@wackjallace]

@@fluxgoodra9034 I feel like the idea of Mars and Roark being direct siblings works well because Sinnoh Region but also there's literally nothing to go off of other than hair similarities, and I feel like if your sister helped to attempt universal destruction that would be mentioned in some form. It's a very fun headcanon tho :p

[@nataliecoronado4206]

they actually revealed that Silver is Giovanni's son back in Gen 3 with the post-game of Fire Red and Leaf Green. One of the Rocket members in the Warehouse on the Sevii Islands asks if you the player are Giovanni's kid, before remembering that his actual kid has red hair.

[@daphenomenalz4100]

wow

[@shadithakis]

Technically not confirmed then But also at that point who else would have red hair

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

More of a suggestion than a reveal at that point.

[@gustavju4686]

Different canon, but Pokemon special established that in the GSC arc of the manga.

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

@@gustavju4686 Correct.

[@axolofa]

Given the fact he sumo throws you when you first meet him, and the theory that he's from Johto, I think Commander Kamado could (in addition to Rowan) be an ancestor of Chuck, the Fighting-type gym leader from Johto They look somewhat similar.

[@dakaramotto.]

Chuck and Rowan do seem similar… 🤔

[@shifting3306]

With that logic we might aswell throw in wolfrick from Kalos because they both wear their coats the same way

[@AnonymousButNott]

@@shifting3306 Wulfric's ancestor is implied to be Gaeric

[@Klonoahedgehog]

Maybe not a direct ancestry but they look similar enough to be related.

[@SaiyanJoestar]

🤔🤔🤔

[@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094]

Something interesting I saw a while ago is that, while both Volo and Cogita could be both the ancestors to Cynthia there is a chance Volo alone could also be an ancestor to Lusamine, and by extension Gladio and Lillie to. This theory suggests that not only Volo looks the same to both Cynthia and Lusamine but his real appearence; with golden, white and green colors, seems to be really similar to Lusamine's design. Other points of this theory is that Lusamine also has a similar posee to both Volo and Cynthia, as well as she covers one of her eyes with her hair like both Cynthia and Volo do.

[@Bropoke]

With all these characters related it really gives me this "bloodlines blessed by arceus" vibe. So like everyone who moved to the hisui region became blessed by acreus and from then onward their blood lines are destined to save/impact the world as a whole. and we get to see/play/be the ones who are "forced" or "called" into action. It would also kind of explain why in G/S/C the unown was never seen by anyone untill the PC goes down into the ruins of alph. the unown, the many hand of arceus, are awoken by a blessed bloodline. i think there is a lot to this theroy, and it could paint the whole multiverse into a really nice framed picture. I expect a video with in 3 months

[@Iskaid]

Ariane and Mars could be cousins. GSC and DPPt take place at roughly the same time, so it's possible that Arezu had multiple kids and one of them moved to Kanto, where Ariane was born; while another stayed in Sinnoh, where Mars was born. Another way it could work is they are siblings but there's an age gap. Ariane seems to be in her late 20s or early 30s while Mars still seems to be late teens or early 20s. Ariane could have moved to Kanto and started working for Team Rocket when she was 18 or 19, and ended up having Giovanni's son.

[@Iskaid]

It would be interesting if Mars actually joined Team Galactic to follow in Arezu's footsteps (joining the Galaxy team) and to be like her older sister who joined a powerful organisation

[@spindash64]

I think it’s more likely Mars is a niece, as it’s implied that she’s not even 20 yet, while Ariana is very much NOT under 20 (at least I hope not)

[@Iskaid]

@@spindash64 my guess was that Mars is somewhere between 18-22 and Ariana is 28-32. You're right though, Mars could be Ariana's niece; I have a nieces who are a few years younger than me lol

[@Luxcalibur]

An ancestor connection I'm surprised no one has made yet is Beni. Obviously, he's Wally's ancestor, but I also think he's probably related to N, and by extension Ghetsis, as well. Besides the "green hair" thing, Beni plays a similar role to N, story wise, being one of the first characters to show up, but eventually be revealed as an antagonist who serves as the penultimate trainer battle of the game.

[@kitkatboard]

N is adopted, so either he's biologically related to only N/Ghetsis or Ghetsis accidentally adopted a secret relative. That's a pretty fun idea.

[@Luxcalibur]

@@kitkatboard There's no evidence that they're not related. Ghetsis just abandoned him in the wild so he could serve his role when the time was right.

[@marleykeymer8929]

@@Luxcalibur That's exactly the dickhead sort of thing Ghetsis would do

[@ZombieBarioth]

@@Luxcalibur Except that we're shown pictures of N living with wild Pokemon at a very young age, and Ghetsis specifically berates N for being ungrateful to him saying he should have left just left him in the forest. It wouldn't make sense anyway. With his resources Ghetsis could have raised his own child as a prince sheltered from the outside world, no need for an orphan without memories of his real parents.

[@kitkatboard]

@@Luxcalibur That's a cool theory but it's not canon :/

[@ScottE-2]

I think judging by age, Silver and Mars are likely cousins.

[@voltrainer]

Or half siblings

[@mfsalatino]

@@voltrainer or siulblings

[@WarmLillie]

It always surprising how branches go out but when you see how back seeing how the limb connect all together. I wasn’t red-y for this massive revolution now!!!!

[@DarkPsychoMessiah]

I know Roark fits in there somehow, most likely from the mother side of things

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

Interestingly, all four of the HGSS Rocket admins' names (in both English and Japanese) in are _all_ types of rockets or missiles Ariana from the Ariane series, used by the European Space agency (her Japanese name, Athena, was a type of rocket designed by Lockheed Martin) Proton, a type of rocket used by the Russians (called Lance in Japan, a type of missile used by the US army) Petrel, a type of rocket formerly used by the British (called Lambda in Japanese, a type of rocket used by their space agency) Archer was a NATO codename for the Soviet R-73 missile (called Apollo in Japan - as used by NASA)

[@Pkmcandy]

clever!!!

[@spindash64]

I like the big cheese one being named Apollo a lot, especially since you don’t meet him until it’s clear this isn’t just about selling gourmet Slug Butts or making fish get big anymore.

[@Tharja-iBW]

I thought it was confirmed that Mars and Silver were Cousin's. that's why one has red eyes and the other doesn't because the one physical trait SIlver gets from his dad are his eyes and his eyes being the window to the soul makes sense because Silver's soul is just like his fathers at first.

[@blueblade6174]

Where was that confirmed?

[@Distortion23]

Nowhere, they just both have red hair.

[@mray4784]

Source: Trust me bro.

[@iBenjamin1000]

Where would you ever get that idea? They’re in different regions and have almost no connection except that they’re both kind of mean and have red hair

[@mjangelvortex]

Never confirmed, just mostly fan speculation.

[@kattymaster]

Arezu Wears leggings that fade from red to silver (well grey)... I'm shocked that didn't pop up. She also has one hand down like Silver and Ariana/Athena and one hand up and bent like Mars (though not a 1 for 1 on the bend). The trim on her boots resembles the trim on Silver's jacket and shoes. Honestly I think she look way more like Silver and Athena than Mars, If it weren't for the fact that Mars and Aries are Roman/Greek counterparts, I'd have argued they have no connection.

[@solidskullz5736]

I definitely think the Ariana being Silvers mom theory is possible but I’m not so sure about Mars being related to them. Sure they look similar but there aren’t really any hints like with silver

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

OMG. I found my twin. High-lander rules. I'll see you at dawn.

[@limeyell0w945]

im guessing the family tree sort of splits off somewhere, because shes definitely related to mars at least.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@youtubestudiosucks978 who are you claiming twinsies with?

[@voltrainer]

The games run on anime logic. Looking similar enough really is all it takes

[@solidskullz5736]

Maybe I’m just putting too much thought into it

[@hhjan594]

Although the name Arezu is derived from Ares, her Japanese name had nothing to do with this. She's called "Hinatsu" in Japanese, derived from "Hinatsu Boshi" which is the ancient Japanese name for the planet Mars. Obviously Arezu is more connected to Mars in multiple ways. But yeah, Silver and Ariana do look similar enough to be Arezu's descendants. I wonder who did Arezu marry with?

[@smugneru2113]

I think it would be interesting to talk about volo and cogita and all the theories surrounding them

[@mudkipqueen920]

another point is that in the manga, sird (a manga exclusive character i think?) is a double agent in team rocket from team galactic, which proves a definite connection between the teams

[@LycanMOON]

You mean the one with weird hair like fantinas? Her name starts with an s.pretty sure she has purple hair though (But I’ll have to check-)

[@Tharja-iBW]

While that's cool the manga isn't canon to the games so they really have no bearing on the story of the games.

[@LycanMOON]

Just found her,names sird.most likely just fantinas cousin or something,but still interesting ties to both teams

[@bidoof367]

dont remember that name in the games so prolly manga exclusive

[@gamerscout7452]

Personally I think Volo may also have Lusamine as a descendent, in addition to Cynthia. His final look shares her color scheme, they both have a black gem with a green highlight, both act overly kind before reveling their true nature, both give the "eyes of madness" when discussing their obsession, both dress (or additionally in Lusamine's case dress others) as the pokemon of their obsesion, and both obsess about deities/creatures beyond their control or understanding. Anyone else or am I just as insane as these two?

[@Rammni]

But wasn’t all the madness with Lusamine caused by the UB poisoning her mind? Unless it gets revealed that some eldritch entity caused Volo to go mad and he could return to normal when it get separated from him, I don’t think the craziness was hereditary. Not to say the thematic similarities could have not been on purpose.

[@AuracleOfBacon]

@@Rammni Have you gotten to the Volo fight in the Legends Arceus postgame? After you beat his main team there’s some dialogue before the Giratina portions of the fight; one could argue that this renegade was as much of an influence on Volo as the UBs were on Lusamine

[@gamerscout7452]

@@Rammni True but I'm just noting similarities.

[@Klonoahedgehog]

I could totally believe that to be honest.

[@gamerscout7452]

@@AuracleOfBacon Agreed both may have been sane once, but their quest for knowledge, and desire to be along side beings beyond human comprehension is what ultimately led them to insanity.

[@_._.AZ._._]

Does Roark have any possible connection? He's from Diamond and Pearl as well, I could see him and his father (or maybe his unknown mother) being another branch in the family line... Edit: A lot of others beat me to the question it seems! I didn't read the comment section before posting :p

[@beatsbycossack]

I remember even years ago there's been a theory that Mars, Ariana, and Silver are related in some way. Roark and Byron are sometimes included as well.

[@Bysthedragon]

I saw a bit of Fanart of the Giovanni family together and they had Mars as Silver's Sister. No clue if it is in any way accurate but I have adopted it as headcanon

[@Stejers]

If we are talking about characters related to each other we cant forget about how nurse joy is related to nurse joy wich then makes nurse joy related to nurse joy. in another hand we have officer jenny who is related to officer jenny wich means that office jenny is related to office jenny and officer jenny, you know because they are related

[@charizardfan1017]

This makes me want a comic where Silver also gets Isekai'd to Hisui, meets Arezu, and she just starts comforting him over all the stuff he went through

[@Jarrlid97]

Alright, this is incredibly pedantic so apologies upfront, BUT The Romans didn't just "give" the Greeks gods new names. Mars, Minerva, and most of the rest were pre-existing Latin gods. The practice of syncretism, basically saying that two gods are the same but just called different names by different peoples, was common in the ancient world. The Romans certainly did it more than others, but there's a reason to that. The Romans practiced a policy of multiculturalism, adapting local and Roman traditions together to foster peace in lands they conquered (this included adapting local stories of these gods to fit their Roman equivalents). But even then, when a god didn't have a similar Latin equivalent, they wouldn't make up a name they'd just adopt it wholesale, name included. Examples include the Greek Apollo, the Egyptian Isis, the Anatolian Cybele, the Gallic Epona, and countless others. I'm sorry for dumping this whole spiel here I know its really annoying and nitpicky, but it's just one of those things that is common belief that isn't true and really frustrates me as someone interested in ancient Rome.

[@wankawanka3053]

But for apollo they didn't even bother 😅

[@AbsolXGuardian]

This video might be outdated by the end of the month if DENA confirms the Arianna is Silver's mom theory. They've confirmed (Caitlin of the Unova elite 4 is the same Caitlin from the gen 4 Battle Frontier) and disproven (Valerie as a Kimono girl) fan theories, as a major appeal of the game is characters getting more devlopment. Silver will be a major protagonist in the upcoming Johto villian arc, which will also feature Giovanni and the HGSS Rocket Executives. Oh and fun fact about Silver and theories. Him being Giovanni's kid was theorized when FRLG came out, as a team rocket Scientist in the Sevii Islands mentions Giovanni's kid with red hair. Hidenori Kasuka, the author of the Pokemon Adventures manga, ran with this, making it the basis for the FRLG story arc, making Silver as Giovanni's kid one of the many weird things the manga had prior to the Celebi event. Hidenori often makes story decisions without consulting game freak, like treating Rotom like a legendary pokemon in the Platinum chapter because of the in game evidence. All this is to say, if DENA finally confirms Arianna is Silver's mom, it would be very fitting.

[@nickdentoom1173]

You do realize Pokemon Masters isn't canon right?

[@reikageyama7240]

In the Pokémon Adventures manga (or Pokéspe for short), Ariana isn't Silver's mother, she's his aunt (unfortunately it's implied). As for Silver's mother . . . She's not alive. It's implied that she died in childbirth, leaving Ariana to most likely take care of him alongside Giovanni. Although Silver wouldn't remember any of this, due to the fact that he was kidnapped by the Man of Ice as a toddler. As for the whole Mars/Roark & Byron relativity, it's more implication. It's implied that Mars is possibly Silver's relative (due to her age, she's probably his cousin/Ariana's niece/Ariana's abandoned daughter???), with Roark we do not know (maybe he doesn't know of Silver or even Mars? Why would we even know, it's not like the player character asks questions. Alas, even in the Pokéspe manga, we don't know since MASA goes with his own canon. Although the manga does end up being the idea for Let's Go! Pikachu & Eevee, so despite just being a popular doujinshii (more or less fanfiction manga), its canon still stands somewhere. So if Nintendo does release a Johto sequel to it in the future, we then might get some answers. Until then, we overall only have ideas and theories to speculate upon the holes in the plot.

[@clarehidalgo]

Caitlin being Caitlin was never in question, wth

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

Valerie not being a kimono girl is bs, she wear's a kimono, has an eeveelution ace, and speaks in Kansai dialect (a typical trait of johto characters outside johto games)

[@AbsolXGuardian]

@@DanielPereira-ey9nt yeah it's stupid. She even provides Silver and Ethan with information about Ho-oh. Apparently she's just from Johto and is personally interested in the Kimono Girls. It would have made way more sense and been cooler to confirm the theory, with Valerie saying something like she preferred the kimonos to the religous role and so left to pursue fashion

[@commaZzz]

I think that Lian is related to both Clay and Roark (technically Byron also), my reasoning is for one Roark not having any other option, I also think there are similarities between their designs and hair colours as well as their interest in Rocks. Also could explain why Lian isn’t a 1 to 1 rehash of Clay as they chose to change up the design. His Ace is a Steel Type which is Byron's specialty and his Noble is a rock type which is Roark's speciality.

[@uorimoon]

I know its a weak stance...when you placed Silver, Arezu, Mars and Ariana at that moment it seemed kinda obv the 4 may be related. Color schemes, hairstyles, ect all match up. (Eriana and Mars' outfits and Arezu/Silver outfits) Even in some of the minor details the colors match on outfits.

[@IgnatiusBlaze4]

I'd love you to go into more familial relations, even in the modern day games, like we know Clair and Lance cousins pretty simple... but does Karen have some relation especially after an obvious shared ancestor within Legends Arceus... I forgot her name. Also for the LONGEST time I was under the impression Karen and Agatha were related, I don't recall where I saw or heard it, or if I just did it myself piecing things together, but I thought Agatha was her grandmother. Similar attitude, hair style, similar methods when battling using types that take advantage of gimmicks, Agatha with her poison types and spooky ghost types, Karen and her sketchy dark types taking advantage also of status with Pokemon like Vileplume (a poison type, the only non dark type on her team), burns with houndoom, over all sneaky tactics with moves like foul play or flinching, and seemingly taking her place in the elite with a tyle ghost is weak against. Could all be coincident, but maybe there is more meaning.

[@OmegaQuinn]

Keep in mind Roark may also be part of that line as he also looks VERY similar as having a similar hairstyle and color to silver too but the hard hat hiding it. The eyes also match a bit but that’s about as far as I know.

[@johnmobley9369]

I love it when they give characters attribute for both parents and make them a mishmash or make them lean on one side more than the other or just completely combine both of the parents attributes. Like if the dad has pink hair in the mom blue hair and giving the child purple hair.

[@SangoProductions213]

"Since Heart Gold and Soul Silver. Over 10 years ago" OK. I'm just going to go lie in my coffin now.

[@IgnatiusBlaze4]

This just makes me want more Johto stuff, be it a Legends Johto, another sequel to Kanto and Johto finally, or another Johto remake... hopefully not as lazy as BDSP or PE, if they need to make it Let's Go Johto seriously gamefreak go all out and don't cut stuff like PE did the sevii isles, the expanded stories for team rocket leading into Johto games, and Johto Pokemon.

[@squirtleslowpoke2402]

Ares and Athena are both gods of something relating to war/battling as well; Ares is literally the god of war and Athena is the god of battle strategy, directly relating to Ariana being partially involved in the tactics of Team Rocket.

[@beeniecat9411]

I did a similar thought process with Paulina since she looks like May from Hoenn and with her name I did word association I think she might be related to Palmer and Barry from Sinnoh which would make them and May distant cousins.

[@Xojah4]

Mars is god of war from Roman mitology, and his equivalent in Greek is called Ares - Arezu

[@xdragoonzero0]

Tbh when I saw Arezu, I thought she was supposed to Silver's ancestor because I completely forgot about Mars. Then I noticed that all 3 had basically the exact same hair and thought that there was no way that was a coincidence.

[@ACE-es7zi]

My theory is that Arezu's barbershop developed into a chain of barbershops, where Silver, Ariana and Mars all went to get their haircuts.

[@shyeazykoopa414]

I always felt like she was connected to silver and Giovanni but nobody else posted a video about it until now I’m so glad thank you 🙏

[@yaboipktendo]

With Thighs Like Arezu it makes Sense that many offsprings later on would exist ...what? I didnt say anything

[@Heavy_Orbital]

What thighs?

[@MM80536]

Father God, the men you put on this earth to hunt and gather are obsessing over the thighs of of a fictional character. Help us

[@commandermercury6654]

….If Arceus smites us, I’m hereby blaming you…

[@donut-vy3ub]

she's not real bruh calm down

[@justyourfriendlyneighborho903]

I love that the "R" in "Secrets" in the thumbnail is red because of the connection to Team Rocket

[@giboit.]

I still think that Calaba is probably Hapu´s ancestor. They´re both ground type users with pokemon that you can use as some sort of ride pokemon. Calaba is also very devoted to traditions similar to Hapu and they both seem to be farmers or at least like cultivating crops. And the similar eye color, skin tone and the type for Ursaluna (normal/ground type) makes me think that she also has connections to Ilima, the normal type trial captain from the sun and moon games ("Luna" means Moon). And Ilima is also known for being quite knowledgeable. Maybe you can find more connections and I´m pretty sure there might be more.

[@meadowshrub846]

For some reason I always thoughts the main male character in Legends was related to Drasna. 1 because they are both from Kalos, 2 almost have same hair color and eyes I think. Also cause Drasna grew up in Sinnoh when she was younger

[@s3studios597]

Funny how in anime, you can look exactly like your one specific ancestor even if s/he's thousands of years old. Like what? Are their genes really that damn strong that every single descendant no matter how distant looks just like them?

[@motherurck7542]

Like he said, it's shorthand. It's an easy way to show they are related without straight up telling you they are.

[@s3studios597]

@@motherurck7542 I'm aware of that. Still funny to actually think about.

[@Daniel_Coffman]

Due to this, I just now thought of that Silver could be named Honos, after the Roman god of war, chivalry, honor, and military justice. It may sound absolutely ironic that someone who actually abuses his Pokemon would be named after such a deity, but he does grow to become more kind. I think of it as the same kind of character development that Persona likes to do; where the characters start out resembling the reversed readings of their arcanas, but then grow into their arcanas' upright meanings.

[@trulyagoose]

Nobody has realized that Laventon is Professor Birch’s ancestor either!

[@birdboy1092]

Arezu is probably my favorite character in legends arceus. I just love her design.

[@SrRocoto]

Helios is the god of sun, not apolo, but its so forgetable that everyone relate the sun with apolo. Funny enough in spanish, "Helio" its the name of team galaxy leader.

[@TornaitSuperBird]

Apollo is usually conflated with the sun because he's the brother of Athena, who also represents the moon. Sometimes, Helios and Apollo get so mixed up that at one point the Greeks worshipped them both somewhat as a singular entity, known as "Apollo Helios".

[@fruit3193]

Shoutout to Prof Ramnus for being a mad lad with the research and writing here.

[@nolek2969]

Lockstin: "normal people don't just say who's related to who! that would get annoying!" Ancient Greeks: "Hold my beer"

[@EpiclyEpicGamer]

"hey big bro can you help me out of the dryer" is the best line I've heard all day

[@the_clawing_chaos]

For the longest time, before the soul silver remakes, I always thought that Mars was silvers mother. Like cross villainy love...

[@quinnduclos]

The thing about Silver's eyes in interesting. Even in MastersEX they are grayish

[@afmf8700]

They're actually more purple-ish in Masters (I think even Bulbapedia says his eyes are purple), but they'll always be gray eyes for me

[@Sp3ctralI]

Arezu getting around is one of the funniest headcanons, that also makes a lot of sense

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

“How much references can we make to Mars?“ Game Freak: “Yes“

[@ilikethis3203]

I don't remember if you said this in your other Arceus video about ancestors, but I always thought Sabi could be an ancestor to not only Cheryl, but also Hapu from Sun and Moon. Both are short, have similar hair styles and also main a ground type Pokémon.

[@afmf8700]

Yes! That's the first thing I thought when I saw Sabi, she looks so much like Hapu, especially the doll-like eyes

[@KingScorpius34]

It's interesting how this is the first time I hear "Silver, Ariana and Mars are related" theory without trying to force Roark and Byron into the mix. Like seriously, every time I saw this theory it had Roark and Byron in it. I don't even know why would that be the case.

[@gabriellockwood2780]

Lockstin: "It all comes together." John/FuhNaff: "Need more proof?" Arby's: "We have the meats"

[@DylanTheWagWagner]

man, the moment you led with "We'll need a refresher for this character since the last time we've seen him was in Pokémon Heartgold and Soulsilver, over 10 years ago." I kinda took a blow. Damn, it hurts to think it's that old.

[@ChickenNugget7]

Just looking at her I can see why she would have many descendants

[@Flizz0]

What a weird comment

[@madnessarcade7447]

Could zisu be an ancestor to flannery as well I mean flint and flannery both use fire type and their names start with fl so it’s possible but that’s just speculation

[@nataliecoronado4206]

Zisu would also have to be Kabu's ancestor as well, if that were the case. There is a fan theory that Kabu is Flannery's grandfather, since his trainer card states he's originally from Hoenn

[@Kivamusicchannel]

So every redhead is related? 🙄

[@benjaminacuna8013]

@@Kivamusicchannel I mean they are, it’s such a unique mutation to a degree red heads all share a common ancestor. Same goes for green eyes

[@Kivamusicchannel]

@@benjaminacuna8013 Yes, over hundreds or even thousands of generations. Not 10 or 5.

[@JulianimeIsAmazing]

@@nataliecoronado4206 Why is there a theory Kabu is Flannery's grandfather? Didn't we already meet Flannery's retired grandfather in the anime? He has a Typhlosion or something and he's just a default who cares old guy.

[@Alice_Haukea]

I support this 100%. I'm not sure if its because my love for Arezu is sparking extreme positive bias, but I think it does make sense at least. Arezu best girl. heh

[@omniultimate]

I think the games have just expanded the regional forms concepts to include both Pokémon and humans

[@erinkarp]

Also Silver's jacket is ALSO dark blue with red accents, like Arezu's

[@bananaforscale1283]

Why didn't you mention Roark who's ancestor is missing in PLA and belongs to this group of similar hair?

[@seanmurphy4270]

Because PLA possibly already gave us their ancestor. There is a quest in the town about a "Raging Alpha Onix rampaging in Oreburg cave" and, by the end of it,the guy ends up befriending the Big rock Pokemon and decides to race it in a digging contest. This is similar to the profession that Roark's family continues to have to the current games,Mining four [X resource] like coal or Iron,and the Partner Pokemon of the Onix line in the descendants.

[@voltrainer]

@@seanmurphy4270 that's not what the cave is called tho

[@seanmurphy4270]

@@voltrainer It's Oreburrow tunnel and Obsidian Feildlands...why "Obsidian" feildlands is unclear to me but, still. haven't played it in like,two months so I mixed a couple names up. But,still,that's where Roark's ancestor is from,more likely than not. That mission is likely not particularly popular since most people either "Autopilot" through it or just not do it since its a sidequest.

[@voltrainer]

@@seanmurphy4270 ok but oreburrow tunnel might not even be oreburgh gate as we have in modern sinnoh. Only a few locations from there are actually seen in modern sinnoh

[@seanmurphy4270]

@@voltraineri am not really talking about the place,rather, the person and using the location to put a link to the relation between characters since they have similarities to each other,including the location. I'm not really neccicarilly saying definitively that these are related characters but rather,likely are with certain details,one of which was also the partner pokemon being one that later generations use as well as profession.people can move to different locations as time goes on, people move to more opportune locations in hopes of a better life all the time,including most of the team galactic corp. So,you're point of "but the location doesn't exist yet." Doesn't neccicarilly hold so much merit in this as,yes the location may or may not be Oreburg tunnel but that could change in the length of time it would take for families and workers to basically carve out a town out of the rock with Monsters capable of smashing and moving large amounts of stone with relative ease,like machop/machoke/machamp,which are present in the modern times for that strength and willingness to work together with others and train their bodies while doing so.

[@Cure-Skywalker]

The theory that Silver and Mars were related existed before Arezu. Arezu just gives them both great great grandma.

[@dovewingseyesaregreen5664]

Me, casually: She's also an ancestor of Roark and Byron. Roark and Silver look so much alike, like I dare you to tell me that Roark doesn't look like Silver with glasses and a hardhat.

[@DarkPsychoMessiah]

Maybe not Byron, we don't know how Roark's mother looks like

[@locomokuu2471]

@@DarkPsychoMessiah Byron is Roark's dad, that's where that connection comes from

[@voltrainer]

The differing colors of hair leads to the idea of them being half brothers with different fathers too.

[@dovewingseyesaregreen5664]

@@DarkPsychoMessiah True but why make a character referencing one but not the other? Seems like a waste in a game packed full of references to characters of the future.

[@Kivamusicchannel]

Do you imagine how unrealistic it would be for every redhead with long hair to be related? PLA is already unrealistic enough as it is.

[@collinfortner8402]

We’re just glossing over the “big bro help me out of the dryer” 😂

[@wrathofthesage]

Don't forget about the connections between volo and(the legends woman who also looks like them) and their connection to both Cynthia and lusamine, not only in looks, but personality, the woman is closer personality wise to Cynthia, and volo acting calm but goes crazy for their goal, like lusamine

[@noahberlitz5553]

Correction, Pasiphaë was the daughter of Helios (the actual Greek sun god, as he was the personification), not Apollo (although fun fact, Archer’s Japanese name is Apollo). Cyrus having a solar related name is only in the localizations but in French and Spanish, his name is Helio, but this just fits your point more in connection to Ariana. However, I think any kind of name connections between everyone is kind of weak as the team rocket executives are all supposed to be named after rockets and team galactic executives are named after planets, and since most things in space are named after Greek/Roman mythological figures, basically everything regarding that is more coincidental since everyone is closely related in Greek mythology. Ariana is totally Silver’s mom though.

[@malachimorey5260]

BTW we are still waiting on that last Kaskade video introducing the last few lockemon you came up with. Also, you really didn’t get into their typings and base stats. Maybe you could make a video about that too.

[@yellowoctoling5452]

I would love a Pokémon Legends: Kyrum or Pokémon Legends: Zygarde

[@gavingrawrock9589]

Lockstin, remember that Types for every Bugsnak video? The DLC for Bugsnax came out with 11 new Bugsnax. Pls do those

[@DaMaster012]

I always thought it was a bit sad that Arezu would go on to have someone like Commander Mars in her lineage, given that Arezu herself is such a sweetheart.

[@Quarataia]

Due to the time frame between the Gold/Silver and Diamond/Pearl games being just a few weeks apart, you can see the Red Gyarados in the D/P TV pretty early, it is probable that Mars is Ariana's niece, heck in Pedro Araujo's continuity that he posts here on KZbinm he made some pretty convincing arguments towards Mars and Silver being siblings.

[@mattwo7]

Archer's Japanese name is Apollo (Apollo being a god of _archery_ (he _IS_ Artemis's twin brother) in addition to the Sun and other things), could he also have ties to Team Galatic? Maybe Cyllene and Cyrus? 7:13 case in point

[@summertimealice4947]

On TVTropes its called "Identical Grandson" (of course there is some variation in exactly how 'identical' they need to be)

[@jellyboy1006]

BugSnaxs got a DLC now you gotta update your BugSnaxs as Pokémon

[@evillecaston]

Was I the only one expecting an alchemy reference after that "it all comes together"?

[@andyhodgson7882]

I have my own Pokémon region called the Gantur region. It draws heavy inspiration from stuff like Brazil, Argentina and Aztec myths from Central America. And these are the starters: Capuchinut, the Fake Football Pokémon. A Grass-type. It has a coconut on its tail that is disguised as a football. It loves to play a game of football with its nut and use its long arms, legs and tail to hit its coconut at enemies full force and knock them out. Flargentinosaurus, the Long Neck Pokémon. A Fire and Rock type. It was revived from fossils found deep in the south. After restoration, the people of the Gantur region hit a moral dilemma. It's a Fossil Pokémon and could very well eat them out of house and home, but it was just so innocent, friendly and cute that they made it a starter anyway. It is very playful and will help anyone or anything. It sets its neck ablaze and use it like a fiery whip to attack enemies and send them flying. And finally, Condubble, the Scavenger Pokémon. A Water, Dark and Flying type. P.S: This generation features some Pokémon that naturally have a third type, such as Condubble. Condubble finds random food and uses the bubbles ringing its wings to store them in. It then uses Ice Beam to freeze it and keep it fresh. P.S. 2: There is a ginormous rivalry between Dinosear, the fully evolved form of Flargentinosaurus, and Condocean, the fully evolved form of Condubble. But Condubble and Flargentinosaurus don't know that and are actually really good friends. When a Condubble crosses paths with a Flargentinosaurus, it asks it to thaw out its food, and the Flargentinosaurus gladly does it, being so friendly and helpful. There's a whole lot more I need to cover about the Gantur region, but this comment has gone on long enough. So I'll add another comment explaining more a bit later on. Kay, see you in the next one! P.S 3: I forgot to mention that the nut on Capuchinut's tail provides the nutrients it needs to survive and can act as food in a dire situation. It then finds a new one in short order.

[@runningoncylinders3829]

Arezu is the one people like in this game. Besides Gardevoir ofc.

[@sumsumplays]

Maybe Mars is Slivers older sister? Because well wouldn’t Giovanni name his kid after a planet, i mean team rocket after all

[@TheDeathmail]

She gets around... several hundred years later, she has 3 whole descendants...

[@aidanconnor2274]

I'd say that Ariana and Silver are related to an unknown sibling of Arezu, hence Athena.

[@narwhalwrath9574]

Ariadne is pronounced "Air-ee-ad-nee", Minos like "Mine-os", and Pasiphae like "Pass-i-fae", but you get points for trying

[@ItsZorroDood]

Her Japanese name Hinatsu also connects back to Hinatsuboshi (Mars).

[@torazely]

What if Silver just wears grey (or silver) contact lenses in order to distant himself from his mother more.

[@RayeTrickster]

Love this theory, though I do have a small correction. While it is true Athena was the Greek goddess of warfare, she is more prominently known as the goddess of wisdom, but like many Greek gods, she was goddess over several things. I would have pointed this out to avoid confusion.

[@hannahblom5746]

Hey lockstin! Love your videos!

[@mattwo7]

8:21 Doesn't help that some cultures like the Japanese often tend to use _lots_ of familial terms such as "bro", "sis", "uncle" (as an endearing term to middle-aged men) "granny" and "gramps" casually regardless of familial relationships which can be confusing from an outside perspective. In the west we mostly just use "granny" and "grandpa" regardless of familial relationships and less commonly "uncle" for friends of the family while "bro" gets occasionally used in place of "dude" at times _specifically_ by far less formal people and the common informal use of "sister" was a period thing that's now outdated.

[@EL1TE10]

i knew it. Also if you view the houses in the Diamond Clan theres pictures of both Alder and Maxie's ancestors, while Alder's kind of a stretch, Maxies ALSO looks alot like he was related to Arezu, the literal only ginger in the entire clan All Gingers in pokemon are related confirmed

[@MidnightDrearyMD]

You should do a video about the alchemy influences on Elden Ring! Some real interesting stuff being noticed recently and really reminded me of "The End Of Pokemon" saga.

[@BP.l0ne]

Dude be rocking that Jimmy Neutron hairdo