Argonians are DAEDRIC?! - An Elder Scrolls Lore Theory about the Dubious Origins of the Hist

[@mythicmars4848]

Me: starts playing argonian playthrough Fudgemuppet next day: Argonians daedric?

[@spikymarshmallow7611]

I not long started an Argonian Slave mixed with Berserker elements, and Fudgemuppet uploads about Argonians. Coincidence? I think not!

[@phexsten]

As Mehrunes Dagon learned the hard way. When you invade the Argonians, they invade back.

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

In Soviet Tamriel, Argonians invade you!

[@Never_heart]

Dagon: Hey that's not fair that's my trick The Hist: hehe Argonians go brrrr

[@timyuusis3372]

Unless you're just nabbing a few slaves!

[@noonenowhere877]

Dunmer also learned this the hard way.

[@BigOrangeLizard]

@@etinarcadiaego7424 lol, that is funny and true as well.

[@Exile_Sky]

The fact that the Daedra fled from Blackmarsh and closed their side of the portal says a lot about the Argonians.

[@charmolettafranquestafiestayam]

Well man can you imagine the pure horror of cracked out lizardmen swarming you and tearing your friends limb from limb some crawling like creepy creatures some hulking raging beasts. Also unless I'm remembering wrong, it was the argonians who closed the portal. From the daedra side. *gulp* *gets chased through portal by the beasts who then slam the door shut behind us* OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo-

[@willsword8100]

Given that neither the Daedra nor Tiber Septim could properly conquer blackmarsh.

[@Exile_Sky]

@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam I thought it was the Daedra that did it themselves, but I could be misremembering. *It's been a long time*. Also, lmao.

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

Somehow Scott missed that, when he placed them last among the best lore races.

[@kennethhuffman3754]

@@Exile_Sky yes Dagon closed the portals in blackmarsh AFTER the argonians started to invade his realm of oblivion In a very successful attempt to close his portal. Basically the argonian counter attack was so effective that Dagon didn't think blackmarsh was worth the trouble.

[@LcHR21212]

FudgeMuppet: Argonians are daedric Bethesda: good idea, i'll be taking that

[@katiefincher2433]

I know that a lot of people think this sort of thing about Bethesda, but the fact is their Elder Scrolls lore is more or less "finished" internally at this point, with only a few true enigmas left. Argonian lore is "finished"... and they are not daedric-- nor are they aedric-- any more than sithis (sith-hist/sithis-ishist) omg) itself is aedric or daedric. It's neither, predating both.

[@forgetaboutit1354]

@@katiefincher2433 yeah...right...it's not like they regularly changed their lore throughout the years...right ? lmao

[@Аллаявбар-ы8ч]

@@katiefincher2433 a dragon break wants to know your location... oh nvm, you didnt actually exist in the first place

[@katiefincher2433]

@@forgetaboutit1354 I mean, I used to work there so..... I would know. I'm not saying the lore was always pretty much done, I'm saying that for the first four ages plus the pre-eras, and most certainly the cosmology itself, it is more or less finished. Fifth era, I have no idea, I haven't been an employee of Bethesda (or Zenimax) for five years.

[@katiefincher2433]

@@Аллаявбар-ы8ч Hi russian person who wouldn't know.

[@GTGizra]

So basically Dagon's forces were fucked from the second they stepped into Black Marsh. They were trying to invade another Daedric Lord's territory at that point.

[@tanrata8658]

More like the devil bumbled into Cthulu's lair.

[@Ian-nl9yd]

i mean, we see deadra invade other deadric realms in the elder scrolls: battlespire. and i think it happens in eso too?, though i havent played eso

[@tanrata8658]

@@Ian-nl9yd Aedra and Daedra are common among man and mer and even the cat folk. Argonians and the Hist on the other hand depending on your sources are particularly alien compared to the rest of the continent.

[@BigPanda096]

The Hist would probably dunk a Daedric Prince tbh. Lorewise they are pretty damn op, especially when the Argonians are near them, they are basically unbeatable. An army that knows everything the other forces are doing simultaneously while being empowered beyond normal mortal means. That's hard to beat even with godly power.

[@23Raind]

@@BigPanda096 hard for an army of lesser daedra...sure. Hard for a deadric lord? Not remotely. What are the hist gonna do against an immaterial cosmic entity that can just chuck at moon a them (aka sheogorath)? How are the argonians going to save them from that?

[@WASDLeftClick]

>Be Imperial Legionary >Get deployed to fight in Black Marsh >Tisn’t Me starts playing and the Hist trees start speaking Jel

[@alexanderstilianov]

>Thank Stendarr you're not a Dark Elf and shout "PELINAL DID NOTHING WRONG!" >Hear slow clapping from the nearby bushes

[@archades115]

Daedra invade Argonia. Argonians: *I'm not locked in here with you, YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!*

[@DiogenesDworkinson]

Invasion request received, invitation accepted, mobilizing troops... One cannot resist the Hist!

[@achmadtitofauzan3809]

Lusty argonian maid lowkey is a lesser daedric prince

[@rifflerunderhill7006]

Definitely worshiped more than people let on, despite all the jokes.

[@bigbrohybrid]

Naughty boys get pegged by the demon futa waifu scalie oWo coming to crunchyroll this frostfall 4E 2021

[@lordwintertown8284]

@@bigbrohybrid Damn that's been a long era 2021 thousand years lol for the fourth era.

[@Batman_the_bad_man]

Argonians have quite a fascinating HISTory

[@dinkledankle]

Yes, very fascinating histree.

[@RealOngoGablogian]

Get out of here 😂

[@kalebb1226]

Take my like and. GO TO YOUR ROOM!

[@DragonsREpic]

...humans suck

[@fatmanyevo6235]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAGAHAHAHAHA

[@JustDaZack]

The hist talk a bit too much for my taste, but dang, they are just so charismatic and convincing!

[@charmolettafranquestafiestayam]

All these years to find out the hist (besides a taste on oblivion) is just a couple annoying forced character tryhards. :(

[@docop8926]

@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam what do u mean by character tryhards?

[@Zen-751]

@@docop8926 he doesn't actually know, he just said it to say it

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

I believe the Hist are Daedric, in that they came before Nirn making them "Original Spirits", but they did not lend to its creation, hence they are "Not Ancestors". But the Argonians are just mortals that have been augmented by them. Similar to how Hercine makes Werewolves, but Werewolves are not Daedra. Or how Molag Bal made Vampires, but Vampires are not inherently Daedric in nature.

[@sancturillore]

Holy shit. That's a very good point. Werewolves and Vampires are indeed both not Daedric even though they come from Daedras. Thank you for bringing that up.

[@draconian_dragons6588]

The souls of argonians are recycled similarly to deadra or things like dark seducers and golden saints

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

@@draconian_dragons6588 Yup. And the sould of all mortals go through the same(or at least an eerily similar) process in the Dream Sleeve.

[@angkhoanguyen6114]

Fun fact: The original homeland of the Hists which located in Oblivion was destroyed in the Ehlnofey War between Man and Mer.

[@stuartjohnson5686]

According to ESO Molag Ball's intent was just to hurt Arkay but it led to creation of vampires who hate both Molab Bal and Arkay.

[@pingpong5877]

Everyone's laughing until the trees start speaking Argonianese.

[@arempy5836]

*Jel

[@Finn14029]

?

[@kirkcannon8079]

@@arempy5836 *joke

[@Emily-jy4wv]

“Take that n’wah’s septims”

[@waluigi3515]

@@Emily-jy4wv that's the dunmer

[@noonenowhere877]

The Hist Trees: Stop trying to compromise our national security Imperial Researchers: Aaah so scary! The Hist Trees: Stop stealing our subjects! Dunmer: Aaah why are we being attacked? The Hist Trees: No invading! counter invasion activate! Mehrunes Dagon: Aaaah! This is illegal.

[@spikymarshmallow7611]

The Hist's secret weapon is an Uno Reverse Card

[@Outcrow]

Argonian: *Licks Hist sap* “We require more minerals.” “We require more minerals.” “Spawn more Shadowscales.” “The Hist Cluster is under attack!” “We require more minerals.”

[@lambrioza]

Hist gives Argonian super soldier serum to invade Oblivion: EVOLUTION COMPLETE!

[@jetnebula7915]

Is this some sort of ESOnline joke that I'm too Single-Player to understand?

[@Oaglor]

@@jetnebula7915 It's a Starcraft joke.

[@sleepysartorialist]

NICE

[@rifflerunderhill7006]

Construct additional ziggurats.

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

Hist: "Kill all the dunmer." Argonian: "But it's not our way!" Hist: "DEW IT!" Argonian: "Oh, okay!"

[@deondreglenn6524]

Starwars Palpatine to ankin in ROTS

[@jaeger3905]

It was more like this High elves:"Hey do you want to help us with our invasion?" Argonians: "Nah we're good." The Hist: "Ah good, they chose to be peacef-" An-Xi'leel: *INITIATE EXTERMINATUS*

[@jetnebula7915]

" b e c a u s e w e a r e t i g h t e r t h a n b a r k o n a h i s t t r e e"

[@lordbalthosadinferni4384]

DEW IT DEW THE DEW

[@jaeger3905]

@@jetnebula7915 was that in the latest issue of the lusty argonian maid?

[@nightterror6727]

Mehrunes Dagon: Tries to invade all of Tamriel Argonians: *_Uno reverse card_*

[@ShadeMeadows]

Hist: "We got Dibs on the Realm already"

[@argacc9434]

The last major elder scrolls game came out almost ten years ago and you can still pump quality content out like this. Yesterday I was watching your Arizona/Utah fallout video and was amazed at the thought you guys put into it. I just love this channel

[@fabricatorgeneralchadius1114]

They are my favourite KZbinrs I love these guys

[@dave1317]

Eso is a major game? They infact use tons of pictures and lore directly from eso....

[@Corrinelester74]

Almost 8* eso is a major game

[@dave1317]

Yea and if you are a xbox player most lile 6 years

[@TheBlakamon15]

@Nero Beerus Disagree. I understand you do not like the game but you cannot disregard the game like it does not exist. Eso is a very successful game. Seven year game that is still getting new content. It has so much lore that it eclipses the lore that is in the main elder scrolls games and it builds upon the lore from all of them. Not just Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind but Daggerfall and Arena. Also Redguard. To call Eso not an elder scrolls game is just pure ignorance.What makes a game a elder scrolls games is the lore and world not gameplay since all the actual main games all played differently.

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

There might be a connection between the early Daedric Chimer civilization and the tribal Argonians, since they both lived in Southern Morrowind where there is swamp areas like black marsh.

[@tomix7712]

The Argonians used obsidian in the old weapons. With Red Mountain being the only volcano they would have access to it seems that the Argonians had presence all the way through Morrowind before the Chimer were even there. Which is why they have also connection with the dwemer (their shields and maces have a design similar to that of dwemer architecture). When thw Chimwr first came they most likely fought the Argonians back down into Black Marsh where the Hist are.

[@morrigankasa570]

Argonions are my favorite race tied with Orcs and Bosmer. Favorite human race is Breton.

[@TheCheese1988]

I like the Nords the most, especially the lore-accurate ones. Skyrim did them a bit dirty, in my mind. The further north you go, the more the Nords were supposed to be part of the wind, wearing less clothing, not being cold, and being fast and agile.

[@Draazen]

Kek the only reason bretons are you favorite human race is because their only half human!

[@morrigankasa570]

@@Draazen perhaps but it is mainly due to game mechanics/abilities. Nords the Warcry thing is pointless who wants their enemies to run away makes it more difficult to kill them. Imperial Voice of the Emperor is similarly pointless why try to calm enemies unless you are a Vampire needing to feed then you have Vampiric Seduction that you get at the necessary time, otherwise just slaughter them all. Redguards Adrenaline Rush is also pointless regenerating stamina. While Bretons their Dragonskin absorbs magic so is helpful to reduce damage. Also beyond abilities natural other things then Nord and Redguard have reasonable use with Cold Resistance and Poison Resistance but Magic Resistance beats Cold Resistance cause beyond just resisting cold attacks it also applies to other elemental attacks. Imperial doesn't even have a resistance of some kind. Also Bosmer beats Redguard cause not only does it have the Poison Resistance they also have Disease Resistance so that beats out Redguard though admittedly the Bosmer ability is also fairly pointless but the duel resistances makes them valid.

[@electricc437]

Imagine facing an argonian with a machiavellian personality holding a macedonian sword working in an italian garrison for a draconian purpose.

[@Lcgx]

i love watching these lore videos, they’re so relaxing and enjoyable

[@zackdelarosa14]

Literally taking a nap listening to this. 👌

[@Lcgx]

@@zackdelarosa14 there too interesting for me to miss out on but i do get that same sleepy feeling 😂

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

"Elsweyr and elswhere" is such a good line. I left a like just for that

[@the_teymur_]

I remember watching you guys during the Oblivion Let’s Play with Robyn Pierre. Long story short, I just rediscovered this channel thanks to your podcasts, and now I’m hooked. Your videos are an excellent listening material to work out to, keep up the sensational work 👍

[@FudgeMuppet]

Thank you so much!

[@Thomw72]

I've heard of the stoned ape theory but the stoned lizard theory is a new one... Lol. Excellent one.

[@mrself5824]

Something has shifted in Argonia, egg brother.

[@ZonarohGaming]

I knew I loved the Argonians for a reason! Who knew the Daedra were a playable race after all? Also new theory; the Hist roots are slowly covering all of Tamriel and are one day gonna change all of Tamriel into swamp for the Argonians to rule for them.

[@ChronicNewb]

So like Florida?

[@alphacraig2001]

@@ChronicNewb Magic Florida

[@tineshboopathy9819]

If Argonians are Daedric, then perhaps that would explain why the Dunmer go: "Hippity hoppity, Argonians are property." After all binding Daedric creations are something commonly done.

[@Wired_User]

Nah, they’re just really racist (or at least used to be). The Dunmer think anything that isn’t an elf is just a talking animal, subhuman for lack of a better term. Other elves are below them too, but they’re at least considered people. Beast races get it the worst. Orcs of course are dumped in with the beast races, because they love to pretend Orcs aren’t elves even though the Dunmer LITERALLY came from the same conflict that created Orcs. Source: Morrowind dialogue on the Dunmer’s view of necromancy. I think from the Orc necromancer in the Balmora Mages Guild. To them, playing with animal souls isn’t necromancy, which includes all the other races because ThEy’Re NoT pEoPlE.

[@gamermoment656]

@@Wired_User The Ordinators would like to know your location

[@Wired_User]

@@gamermoment656 Ah never you mind sera, I’m a member of the Temple!

[@Seth-uo4zn]

@@Wired_User I mean, they aren't people. Dunmer literally are the master race

[@Wired_User]

@@Seth-uo4zn Nah, that’s the Altmer.

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

Last time I was this early, Indoril Nerevar was alive

[@whiterunguard5749]

I trust the day's found you well, thane.

[@marcanthony3167]

have you found my sweet roll yet???

[@whiterunguard5749]

@@marcanthony3167 yes nazeem has eaten it, so he is now spending life in the Whiterun dungeons, your welcome.

[@marcanthony3167]

justice is served!

[@koru1362]

"The roots hold us all together." Have you guys learned at all about mycelium networks? This is a Real Thing! I love the notion that the Hist is Tamriel's version of mycelium. Check it out!

[@Random_Chiroptera]

This lore should be used to make a Skyrim mod giving similar effects to Argonians when consuming Sleeping Tree Sap. Enai Saion's Wintersun Faiths of Skyrim Mod identifies the Sleeping Tree as a Hist tree.

[@BaalFridge]

The Hist are better rulers than most emperors. All hail our argonian overlords.

[@georgemurdock7670]

Only argonian thing that rules is the taste of an argonian egg omelette

[@echos5823]

THE EMPEROR IS AN ARGONIAN IN A SKIN SUIT!!!! -Alexius Jonius. Probably.

[@BigOrangeLizard]

@@georgemurdock7670 I confirm.

[@arempy5836]

@@echos5823 I'M TIRED OF THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FREAKING LIZARDS SMART!

[@ReformedSauron]

"Merry, the tree is talking!" "Don't talk to it Pip! Don't encourage it!"

[@xanderdaniels8284]

If you guys have never driven home from work while listening to these lore videos, do yourself a favor and try it. Best commute in a while

[@Aethuviel]

""Both in Elsweyr, and elsewhere on the continent" Oh, clever boy.

[@brigittehuber9745]

Man, I've been watching this chanel for far too long now. Just saw the title and thought: "Ah, Drew uploaded a new video." I love how you always come up with theories that make much more sense (or are at least much more original) as the confirmed lore. Please keep up the good work (all three of you)!

[@XelionGraves]

Now Mehrunes Dagon is trying to invade again. Rise up my Argonian brethren, it's time to teach the big guy another lesson.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Simple test. Find a Hist's name, kill it, summon it. If it works, it's a daedra.

[@angrybanana5476]

Simplicity is truly a scientist's best friend

[@GeraltORivia]

If it doesn’t, you just murdered a magic tree

[@davidleroth8644]

@@GeraltORivia murdered a magic tree for SCIENCE

[@arthurjohnson7473]

You'll have to learn how to speak Tree first, though. Good luck getting the Vietnamese to teach you.

[@BigOrangeLizard]

@@arthurjohnson7473 lmao

[@adammenhennett]

Brilliant. Great research and as usual a sublime video. Thanks for all the legendary work.

[@SilverFang2789]

We need an An-Xileel Warrior build soon

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

Argonians also have powerful nightblades and spellswords, nords, orsimers and redguards only have martial talents, so a magic combat hybrid build is out of the question.

[@DensApri]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 not true, ancient nords had mages

[@ikeaman7247]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 although it’s uncommon any of those people from those races could do magic if they wanted to. It’s not like there is anything stopping them

[@charmolettafranquestafiestayam]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 Every single race can do magic. What the fuck is Sword Singing for redguards? I would argue it's a form of magic. There are orsimer prophets/sages/healers/etc. Same with Nords. Idk what the fuck you're on about no magic lmao

[@PR0J3CTMKU]

@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam facts magic literally is just divine life energy pretty much in elder scrolls

[@tysonkestner03]

I love how TES lore is in depth to the point where the tes universe’s origin story isn’t just unknown but is contested between multiple myths based on race, religion, and culture. I have myself convinced either this one or the nirn being a daedric realm one are the truth theu make the most sense

[@ladsinc527]

I for one welcome our argonian overlords of tamriel with the hist at their side

[@chrishouterman4772]

Jaara: “Finally, I’ll hear the Hist”. Hist: “Shiiiiiiii, what up cuh?!

[@Eldincy]

My green Argonian is choping wood while I listen to Drew

[@qahnaarinsedov1268]

What if the hist trees are just an extension of Lorkhan, meaning that the Argonians are just daedric beings made by Sithis, which is why they can be so powerful.

[@marcusmcclain3251]

I don't think anyone in-universe realizes just what kind of threat the HIST are to Nirn as we know it. Talos guard us from these alien bonzai.

[@noonenowhere877]

To be honest they only seem to lash out when they are wronged. Maybe Nirn just needs to learn to leave well enough alone.

[@MrsTavington]

Hardly, you have that backwards. The Hist were here long before anything else, so the "alien" are the races not native to Tamriel... including Nords, who are a threat themselves.

[@muslimcrusader5987]

@@MrsTavington True Nords came from Atmora

[@douglaspurcell9199]

Yeah, I've been saying for a while that the Argonians are gonna be making big moves soon. They've been isolated and nearly non consequential for way too long in the lore. Can you imagine how terrifying they would be on a next gen console with realistic graphics? I would shit myself if I just saw a squad of them rising out of the water in front of me lol

[@thescholarlychronicler1805]

Marcus McClain -- They're only a threat in response, so long as you leave them alone, they won't have any dreams or desires of conquest. Every time they've attacked, it has been in response to something that threatened them.

[@mrfivegold]

Its explained in books in Daggerfall that the Atlmer when they controlled the continent created creatures that share humanoid and beastly characteristics, that's why we have centaurs, minotaurs, and the like. That would also explain Khajiit and Argonians.

[@lordslashingtonsmoments6125]

So are the altmer the guys behind the moons with khajiit and the hist trees with argonians?

[@charmolettafranquestafiestayam]

@@lordslashingtonsmoments6125 The moons is something else imo but I could see the altmer creating argonians (so long ago its mostly forgotten) and then the argonians eventually finding the Hist. Remember the hist is it's own entity. If I recall correctly they weren't always in a symbiotic relationship

[@papadoug4681]

I wouldn't be surprised if A. That stuff is retconned given that it wasn't bethesda that wrote those (but that's boring). So lets have fun with it and say that B. it's Altemer Propaganda to make them out to be superior. I wouldn't put it past them. After all they are no strangers to re writing history to suite their own ends ;)

[@mrfivegold]

@@papadoug4681 Well the Atlmer did create goblins, and have been said in Morrowind to have been responsible for the creation of the Dreugh. And it has been implied that the moon cycle and hist were gifts from the gods, other than the 8, but that was retconned along with other deities created in Daggerfall and Arena.

[@papadoug4681]

@@mrfivegold I'm sure just about all the cool stuff from the first 2 games that contradict the current lore (or vice versa) can be waved away as being retconned. But that gets boring honestly. I think it can be more fun to try and find reasonable lore explanations for things not entirely being true from back then lol Though i hadn't touched all the old lore myself. Pretty cool fact about the goblins and Dreugh though. Didn't know that myself.

[@ZeroSeriesMMX]

Last time I was late, I was trapped in one of those "transportation networks" of Black Marsh.

[@Joe_Potts]

(Squishy knocking sound) "Can somebody cut me out of here?"

[@xfirexrainx6668]

I'd love if they made an elder scrolls that ends with the kalpa cycle resetting, it would be interesting

[@Nova-jw6ju]

Blackmarsh is just the southern coast of Louisiana. Dont say im wrong, you know im right. I wouldnt be surprised to see a lizard man walking around in New Orleans.

[@alexanderstilianov]

My new Oblivion character is a Hand-to-hand Argonian fighter named Throws-Many-Punches. While he was still in the Imperial prison he received a vision of the upcoming Oblivion crisis but he was still locked up. The vision, which was, of course, sent to all Argonians by the Hist, showed him that the majority of his marsh-brothers and marsh-sisters were returning to the homeland and becoming empowered by the sap in order to prepare for the Daedric invasion. By the time Throws-Many-Punches got out of jail, he figured he might as well stay in Cyrodiil, train with the Fighters Guild and protect the locals who had no idea what was about to befall them since he was shown that Black Marsh would emerge victorious anyway.

[@buckrichards3965]

Is it just me or does the really big tree with the orange glowing things hanging from it kinda looks like the eldergleem tree

[@true4976]

Thats the hist tree, the purple looking one in skyrim is different cuz its like a subspecies of hist that grew on a floating city made by a character called umbra.

[@justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233]

Just a character is an understatement. Sentient Sword, Host of the current Wielder, Bane of Clavicus Vile. It holds many titles. Too bad we didn’t get to encounter it in Skyrim.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

@@justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233 THe Legacy of the Dragonborn mod adds Umbra back into the game. Its being carried by an Orc somewhere outside of Markarth. Its also a great way to pick up a full set of Ebony Armor early game.

[@true4976]

@@justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233 haha yeah but I didnt wanna overwhelm them with all the details! Just enough so they could find out more if they liked :-)

[@pisscvre69]

@TRUEthatguy thats not the Eldergleam thats the sleeping tree from the sleeping tree camp, the eldergleam has been there since before time tho so it may be similar or maybe something like that is inherent to creation daedric hist or aedric

[@TheSkaara]

This video was well made. Keep up the greate work!

[@supercalifragic1551]

The comment on how the swamp changes made me imagine a TES game with random generation, randomizing the Black Marsh or areas of the black marsh per playthrough, or per load. This tool would also be able to give us endless Daedric realms or otherwise dungeons we could explore. How interesting could it be for a full RNG RPG, that continuously generates worlds as you travel as you wish, minecraft style (Not graphics, the near endless terrain generation). Obviously far more advanced than a game that came out what 15 years ago? Not a TES game unless there were some story reason for the world collapsing and reality being unmade or something and the player is like an anchor re-binding reality giving it new form and shape. A good complicated generator that doesn't just handle terrain and dynamic cities and buildings (As well as a host of pre-made assets to just place like story locations or important cities (The outskirts of which could still be generated for more expansive cities), but also generate NPCs, factions, reputation systems (Generated faction x hates generated faction y, and is allied with generated faction z, and the generator determines Conflict Points by mapping the terrain between the two factions and plotting paths of travel, and placing forts and checkpoints, and patrols). No voiced NPCs, only generic sounds, all text. Text that can be generated in addition to premade "Personalities" for important characters, and premade NPCs in general that have a ton more detail such as a collection of premade story characters, romance options, and companions, while there would also still be possible generated companions. A system for the generation of armor, clothes, and weapons would also be incredible, when generating a faction or region it'd generate a Style for that faction and base object designs around that style, pulling from a suite of assets for Materials, textures, and and shapes. And of course, you could make your own clothes or armor by pulling from the same assets in a crafting menu via Tailoring and Blacksmithing skills. If the terrain can be generated, it should be possible to likewise allow deformation, destruction, and creation. Mining, tunneling, sieging buildings. Burn down a town, a dragon attack melting stone walls and leaving ash-shadows of people that were too close. Permanent scars of conflict, player and NPC made. But also a system for fixing these things. NPCs will passively do repairs on their own except when some threshhold is met for being too damaged, and a threshhold shared by the town at large if enough structures and people were destroyed or killed, then the village, town, or city would be abandoned into a ghost town and you could find the survivors as refuges traveling elsewhere and slowly adapting to a new location, and you might even recognize an NPC from a ruined village as a body on the road or in a dungeon as they were picked off by bandits or monsters or betrayed, ect. I feel like this should be entirely possible. Skyrim is almost a decade old. As is Minecraft, though pretty sure it was out for years before that release date google gives.

[@sancturillore]

So, like Daggerfall, but with more stuff?

[@realzachfluke1]

Damn, I’ll never be able to unsee this theory. I really do have to admit, it’s an *extremely* compelling case. Just as extreme as the marshes and swamps deep in the heart of Argonia 😉🦎👾

[@TheJedaiHero9000]

They are my 2nd favorite race in The Elder Scrolls series. Enjoyed watching and listening to this one right here!

[@CB-vx1fu]

this channel has slowly become my favorite. Skyrim lore is so cool.

[@paladinofthelostdays7392]

I love this idea of a Bethesda writer staff meeting where they get together, hammer out some of this complicated, multifaceted, shape shifting lore that can be taken in so many ways, all the while knowing that some random KZbin channel will painstakingly break down every detail and completely unravel the mystery of the Elder Scrolls

[@missspider3572]

Love the video. For years I played nothing but highelves. Last year switched to bretons. After this video I am switching to argonian.

[@Muddeth63]

Just wanted some input from the experts, I’m replaying Skyrim SE with the Alternate Start mod, and I’m playing as a High Elf Thalmor, and I want to role play in the direction that she has just recently joined the Thalmor and got transferred to Skyrim, but then she slowly starts to realize how fucked up the Empire and the Thalmor are and I would like her to experience some in game experiences of this so she’ll change and eventually take up arms with the Stormcloaks. I’ve helped the Grey-Manes in Whiterun save their son, and I’ve joined the College of Winterhold because High Elf mages. But any in game examples anyone can give me would be appreciated! Also using most of Enai Siaions mods like Ordinator, Apocalypse, and Wintersun and she is worshipping Syrabane.

[@darkdragoking2186]

You do know that the thalmor are for the rebellion

[@michaelpettersson4919]

@@darkdragoking2186 Only as long as it is ungoing. Should they, or the imperials win and finish the war however...

[@athanasshia]

If the Duskfall never happened and their stone masks didn't crumble, those Argonians would proceed to become the ultimate lifeform by tapping into the power of a red stone. They would become invincible! Immortal! Unkillable! Unmatched!

[@funkboy14]

Lol, with Closed Captions it says “Argonians worship Syphilis.”

[@eusoumaniaco]

Just a small nitpick: argonians don’t serve Sithis by going only to the DB, as even Veezara at the sanctuary states he was bred to serve an argonian order of assassins that died out, then and only then he went to the brotherhood.

[@NamelessKing1597]

In my head canon the Hist most likely figured out how to stay on Nirn while maintaining their omnipotence and omniscience by destroying their sense of self and becoming identical unidentifiable trees that rely on other creatures to exert their will. essentially Chim in reverse.

[@BigPanda096]

So that's why Mehruns was like "wait they invaded us back? Fuck close the portal!"

[@nat040496]

This is probably a shot for the moon, but i would love to see an ES game where if you start as an Argonian and pick the Shadown sign as your birth sign, you start in the Dark Brotherhood or have a unique starting point that leads you to it.

[@jpf7942]

*Argonians walking into the Deadlands juiced out of their mind on hist "Nice place nigga"

[@emmittodd2373]

Mankar Camoran: TAMRIEL AI DAEDROTH Me: wow that guy is crazy Fudgemuppet: ARGONIANS ARE DAEDRIC Me: of course, how did I not see this earlier?

[@Alphatreeyyyy]

you also missed the fact that the argonians believe that their souls are given to them by the hist which would suggest the Argonian body is just a vestige of its own as well. When they die their souls return to the Hist to be born again

[@haphazardlark1502]

I hadn’t even thought of this!

[@Mephilis78]

I always thought the Argonian Behemoths were just a nod to Super Mutant Behemoths tbh

[@trafo60]

The best thing about ESO is that ES lore youtubers now have footage for all the other provinces

[@duncan4726]

Argonians: Counter invades Oblivion The Deadra: “Close shut the jaws, of Argonia!”

[@Curious_Traveler]

The lore just doesn’t back this theory. The idea about The Hist being Daedric I can get behind, but not the Argonians. Chaotic Creatia in the form of Amber Plasm may have been responsible for uplifting the Helstrom Ancestor Lizard to be the Argonians, but that lizard already had a soul no different than any other creature or mortal. The Hist did not create the Argonians, they only changed them like Azura did with the Chimer/Dunmer and Khajiit. Part of that change must have been increasing the size of the soul in some way. Not worshipping the Aedra/Daedra only makes sense, they are not descended from them. They are just mere creations, and their fear or reverence towards Sithis could be attributed to the Amber Plasm. The Argonians probably know on an instinctual level that they owe their existence to Sithis, while knowing that their existence may be wrong on Nirn.

[@loneronin6813]

I didn't need anymore reasons to click on this video other than the fact that it's about Argonians. They are my favorite race to play as in The Elder Scrolls Series since I first played Morrowind as a kid. I especially loved playing as them in Oblivion, usually emphasizing the hand-to-hand, athletics, and acrobatics skills.

[@flpnj1419]

You’d think that ads would be personalized to the video subject, but I got a Trojan ad. That is literally the opposite of this.

[@mysticranger6894]

Is the lusty argonian maid a Daedric Prince? The potentials make me smile.

[@igncom1]

Imagine marching your army into the swamp, camp for the night, only to wake up surrounded by a mountain range made out of roots, with your only escape being the way you came in.

[@Mr.Xarxes]

Todd: write that down, write that down!

[@JW-zx5dr]

Very intriguing once again FM

[@RamblingMan.]

Far into the future I see an elder scrolls game not probably buy the same moniker anymore but an elder scrolls game nonetheless and in this game it finally stretches on kirkbride's theories and we come back to Nirn after we left it for some time and it looks old and different and decrepit could be like some star fields type stuff you know kind of like how SG 1 and Stargate finds out they're actually alterans instead of humans

[@kenzauter6626]

You are a master content creator and this was a wonderful and exciting video. Perhaps Arogonians defy definition. Neither Daedra nor “organically” Tamrielic. Perhaps they’re some kind of hybrid or evolutionary step? All I know is I love them and they look soooo good in Dragonscale armor!

[@galty1987]

This was so ASMRish to me... Muchas gracias

[@arandomzoomer4837]

They're certainly involved with Oblivion, at least, we kinda see that in the infernal city/lord of souls books

[@lemonlefleur6236]

I’ve recently realized that Khajiit and Bosmer are likely variations of Argonians. Khajiit love Moon Sugar which I believe may be Hist Sap altered by Azura that when consumed maintains the Khajiit connections to the lunar cycles. Bosmer, or Wood Elves / Tree Sap Elves, are likely the Sappy offspring of the Bosmer deity who’s name I can’t spell but I know has been depicted as a massive tree. I believe the Wild Hunt is based around consuming Hist Sap which has been seen to cause alterations in Argonians. Given what the Wild Hunt does to Bosmer, it makes sense that their parent deity would prohibit the consumption of plants in the hopes of avoiding sap eating.

[@timecoldslow2950]

i thought the argonians were related to the dragons at first since their like mini dragon people

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

I think Lyg was one of the 12 worlds, and now all thats left of it is at the bottom of Nirn's oceans.

[@OgieSifter]

I like the implication the two part novel made, where there's like an issue of communication between hist and argonian. Like if they were 100% egg made by the hist it would be like a 1/1 mind link to the evermind

[@natebadger927]

Great Video Fudge

[@FivoreJD]

Before the hist, nothing existed... except FudgeMuppet.

[@taleril5815]

The only video in my suggestions that I wanted to click on today.

[@saltydunmer]

Fudgemuppet: Honourable and beautiful people. Me, an intellectual: ARGONIANS ARE PROPERTY!

[@cy3125]

A sect of the Vigilants of Stendarr hunting argonians with this mindset would be a great side plot

[@Broken_valley]

I like to see a race war between the dark elf’s and the lizard boys it would make a interesting dynamic to have the two races truly hate each other

[@abyssstrider2547]

You didn't play Morrowind, did you?

[@Kartuvelis]

Argonian and Khajiit where slaves for Dunmers(dark elves) but then not. I never played morrowind but it's lores i heard so that's why they don't really like eachother

[@artifex2.080]

An-Xileel Time

[@hyperboreanarchives7299]

Like any sensible Dunmer will tell you; 𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚'𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒏𝒍𝒚 𝒈𝒐𝒐𝒅 𝒂𝒔 𝒇𝒂𝒓𝒎 𝒆𝒒𝒖𝒊𝒑𝒎𝒆𝒏𝒕 𝒐𝒓 𝒔𝒏𝒂𝒌𝒆-𝒔𝒌𝒊𝒏 𝒃𝒐𝒐𝒕𝒔. *𝕿𝖊𝖑𝖛𝖆𝖓𝖓𝖎 𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖗𝖊𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖙*

[@KryyssTV]

Argonian creation mythology seems like the true origins of the Et'Ada and the Realms. Of all accounts it describes two opposing beings entering the void of Oblivion to find a newly formed Nirn. This sounds very much like the two most powerful survivors of the last Kalpa passing into the next andcbeing venerated as gods. The shattering of the original Nirn explains the many planes of Oblivion and why they bear similarities to Nirn itself. This may become the events of the next TES game where you, the hero, fail to prevent the end of the current Kalpa but manage to stop the villian from destroying the newly formed Nirn.

[@Vandelberger]

Hmm, wonder what Hist mead taste like?

[@kck-kck879]

Judging by what it did to you in Oblivion, you'd probably end up thinking your mug was a honeybadger

[@joshuamourning6650]

@@kck-kck879 and that the dog in the corner is a daedric gourd of doom

[@LeDardeursPalace]

Sounds like a slogan taken straight from a Tamriel's War on Drugs ad.

[@vivalafiaga]

well....that would explain why when blackmarsh was subject to a daedric incursion, their response was to not just repel it but to go invade oblivion i guess

[@40KWill]

Infernal City implird they were from the realm of Clavicus Vile.

[@adrianaslund8605]

So it makes sense to me that the Hist trees are sentient daedric plants that took up housing in Nirn. Maybe they floated in like mold on the aether or something. And then they uplifted the local wildlife to create a loyal ecosystem to protect them. They're not really malicious though. They're fine with just hanging out with their Argonian peeps.