Arguing With A Pro-Choice Muslim

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[@JanefleesTexas]

Oh that’s rich, “we ended slavery, our Christian worldview”… Don’t mention the fact that the Confederacy and Christians used the Bible as justification FOR slavery!

[@JanefleesTexas]

You’re denying the KKK was a Christian organization???

[@skiu4ea434]

If the mother is not going to fight to protect the life of that little one in the womb, then someone else must.

[@JanefleesTexas]

@@skiu4ea434 Ah yes, tough white man making yourself the white knight of your story once again!! “In the womb”… you mean “in her body”?? I suggest a book called Tiny You, how the (mainly) white, anti-abortion groups made the private public have co-opted the language of civil rights without actually believing in any civil rights for anyone except the nebulous “fetus”. Everything is on a hierarchy to you people with the White Fetus On top, Whhhhiiite men below, white women below them and minorities at the bottom, basically. People disagree on the moral status of an early pregnancy - obviously. So what are you going to do about my wanting to control my own body, let’s say? How are you going to force me to remain pregnant against my will??? How are you going to FIGHT a woman to protect something that she hasn’t gestated to have a brain yet??? “Then someone must”… Ooooh, it must be hard fighting that Great Culture War, brother!! 🙄 Maybe read on how abortion bans are affecting domestic violence and abuse? Your comment reminded me of that, too,

[@stephenm8233]

Jeff, you are such a gentle giant (of the faith). Thank you for what you do.

[@Sugar_Vibes_]

May God soften her heart and bring her closer to him❤

[@diggincrates1]

Amen!

[@barbarajames2650]

Praying she comes to repentance and her heart be opened to the Gospel ✝️

[@connerosterholt7554]

Amen

[@JanefleesTexas]

She already believes in God.

[@Shawn-on6wm]

I can’t believe I used to be pro choice. That position is truly evil and indefensible.

[@narutofan360]

Your not alone.....I cant believe I was so foolish

[@JanefleesTexas]

It’s defensible and healthcare that has saved many women from unsafe abortion procedures, from miscarriages that could have become septic, from mothers being forced to carry their pregnancies to term they knew would not live. Already infant and maternal mortality has increased dramatically in states with bans. These women are walking “hospice care centers” and suffering the costly and mentally devastating effects of pregnancy and childbirth only to watch their babies die when they actually can comprehend pain.

[@JanefleesTexas]

It’s defensible and healthcare that has saved many women from unsafe abortion procedures, from miscarriages that could have become septic, from mothers being forced to carry their pregnancies to term they knew would not live. Already infant and maternal mortality has increased dramatically in states with bans. These women are walking “hospice care centers” and suffering the costly and mentally devastating effects of pregnancy and childbirth only to watch their babies die when they actually can comprehend pain.

[@Shawn-on6wm]

@@JanefleesTexas congratulations You’re arguing for the 2% of abortions. I’m talking about the other 98%. The ones who decided to murder their child because they were irresponsible

[@KillDevilTheory]

God bless you, Jeff. Our oldest daughters was born premature at 12 ounces- smallest on record in our state. We lived in the NICU for 9 months...it was hell but ultimately led to me and my wife turning to God. Prayer saved her multiple times. They told us to abort her for months because she would "never survive." we did not. She is 15 and is an awesome, godly young woman who has a bright future. Many of the doctors at the hospital she was born in were caught selling aborted baby parts years later and were prosecuted. there are truly demons out there.

[@Tinnituss]

That black dude in the wig with the “I love being a (wo)man” shirt was making me crack up the whole time

[@DE-pd5em]

Lmaok yah that’s Kanel Joseph he’s funny af

[@motherhoodempowerment7012]

It’s kanel!! So cool to see him in a Jeff video

[@triplea6174]

I knew it! Looked familiar that’s cool

[@danielguitron]

I hope she finds this video so she can hear herself... She is all over the place.

[@annieharrison851]

Pray that God works in this young woman's life and change her heart.

[@melissaculpepper7663]

It will require her to humble herself…she isn’t teachable…yet. May the Holy Spirit convict her before it’s too late. Jesus is coming soon!

[@JanefleesTexas]

@@melissaculpepper7663Whipped slaves & the Holocaust - white Christians were responsible for both atrocities and used the Bible to justify their views.

[@wallisherbert7608]

I’m so happy you are posting these difficult discussions again.

[@bboylebron]

Great job, Pastor Jeff of presenting the Gospel to such a confused young lady...

[@melissaculpepper7663]

Willfully ignorant. She hears the truth but rejects it.

[@sn4rl277]

Sad part here, is that there are millions of young ladies that accept the Pro-Choice argument on the surface and push the cause forward. All along not really asking these deep questions about the morality of murdering a baby in the womb. It's easy at that age to say "it's a clump of cells" and just go on about their lives.

[@mitchell.simmons]

These videos are inspiring, they give me a fire to dig more into my Bible. Thank you apologia studios and all of their donors. I have faith you guys are making a difference.

[@joshuajonas6946]

Let him cook! 🙌🏽👏🏽

[@eveighty0]

😁 For real For real 💪🏾

[@DarkToLight88_]

The Holy Spirit inside of him is cooking.

[@Mara_Natha_]

She claims she doesn’t want to keep going in circles but she doesn’t realize it’s her own theories going in circles which hold no substance or make any sense. I hope she listens to this video and considers whether she represented her opinions in a flattering light.

[@emomc9557]

Jeff, always a pleasure to listen to you bring the truth to these lost souls ❤ praying for her to turn from this wickedness and find Jesus, her savior

[@josephwhitey]

Something is wrong with the woman in red's brain. She seems almost unable to think in a coherent and or congruent linear train of thought

[@HappierNowe]

That’s where relativism brings you. Unable to make or defend a point cogently. She’s the product of relativism and it’s sad.

[@AskRemy]

yes - there is something wrong with her brain - it evolved to a vestigial organ

[@kap849]

I think that she doesn't really know what it means to be islam 😢.

[@julissavaca6814]

Unfortunately I don't think it's her vain I think it's the horrible education system we have today that doesn't let the next generation think and come up with their own answers and is more focused on filling it with useless knowledge and like hoe to fill a word count

[@melissaculpepper7663]

Evil is illogical…Satan is the author of confusion and she belongs to satan. May the Holy Spirit convict her.

[@marshallman7550]

She said a lot to make zero points. Constantly stumbling to find a way to justify her sin.

[@clintmorrison5863]

At the end of the day, this girl has no logical argument.

[@LOJO5000]

Why when a murderer kills a pregnant woman it’s considered double homicide?

[@BDCsSanctuary]

This debate reminds me of the title of the book Greg Koukl wrote a while back - Relativism... feet firmly planted in mid-air. She's all over the place, trying to bob and weave the objections, by leaning on relativism, yet at the same time she's giving up truth, even though she presupposes that truth is of authority and should be adhered to every single time she asserts something.

[@melissaculpepper7663]

Evil is illogical.

[@J_H72]

How can you debate the sanctity of life with an atheist?

[@Quint-ib4nf]

Im a atheist. Ask me anything.

[@piterpraker3399]

​@@Quint-ib4nfAnything?

[@J_H72]

@@Quint-ib4nf Ok. Do you have a sense of morality? If you do, where does it come from?

[@sherryhaines4818]

It's called planting seed

[@Quint-ib4nf]

@@J_H72 Yes and it comes from my human understanding and empathy I have.

[@julissavaca6814]

Bless you Jeff and the level of patience you have to listen to people running in circles trying to get the upper hand or change the subject over and over again.

[@bghvid]

Jeff... While I appreciate and admire your patience, this was a "shake the dust of your feet" encounter.

[@cmdr1hander442]

Whats the point of following a religion if you just ignore the moral framework that the religion gives you.

[@hernancantor7308]

May the divine favor of God continue to shine upon Pastor Jeff and his dedicated team as they earnestly disseminate truth and positively impact lives. My heartfelt prayers are extended to your ministry, may the Lord consistently open doors that remain impervious to human intervention. Amen. q

[@diggincrates1]

Her ingorance is extremely frustrating.

[@kap849]

At least she's respectful 😢.

[@carlitos198822]

Jeff that was impressive👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 praise the Lord keep praying for these people that says bad is good and good is bad

[@nathandavey6161]

This is not an unintelligent lady. She heard the truth through Jeff and she knew it. But sadly, her pride is standing in the way. We shouldn't judge her but pray that her heart steps in and pushes the pride away.

[@danielallen8944]

Judging in itself is not a sin, it's an evaluation.....judging in a condemning way is.....we should absolutely judge what she is saying and weigh it with the Word of God. But you are right she is suppressing the truth and it is easy to hear.

[@nathandavey6161]

​​@@danielallen8944 forgive me I should have went into more detail, but yes i absolutely agree with you brother.

[@danielallen8944]

@@nathandavey6161 no worries brother you have a wonderful day and God bless!

[@nathandavey6161]

@@danielallen8944 Same to you!

[@heyitsme881]

Eh, she seems kinda dumb to me

[@scarlett4534]

She believes nothing, stands for nothing, cannot define anything. 🤷 But she'll defend something wrong all day long

[@AmandaRS91]

I would love to see pushback on the “you should be using your time to fix the foster care system/adoption system/homelessness instead of ending abortion” tactic with “Ending abortion is my mission because abortion is wrong. If you are so concerned about those issues, what are YOU doing to fix them?” I’d like to know what their response would be.

[@jaywickman337]

Bless you for all you do. Would it be prudent to do these in a manner of audible distance apart from each other so we could hear this brilliant discourse? It's practically waisted on background noise from so many conversations. ❤✌️

[@leenieledejo6849]

Yeah, they need to be conscious of the viewer's experience. They should move apart. It's hard to listen to.

[@sammyking9407]

Top notch stuff as usually but the competing conversations so close to the main mic are an awful distraction.

[@DeaconBean]

He speaks so well and clear and calm.

[@fontwellestate3544]

Beautifully handled, as always Jeff.

[@rhyfelwrtherwyn1070]

Jeff - I feel smarter and wiser every time I watch your videos. I wish there were churches in the north Dallas area that are doing your type of work. I can no longer sit passively in a pew and be told how to live. Thanks for all you do.

[@tuchesuavae]

She has no answerss. When she gets refuted she runs and says " i don't wantbto go back a forth with you"

[@aronmoralez9415]

Whats up guys!! Praise god!

[@esneditz]

Bro they added my boy kanel is in the video. That’s awesome ❤

[@dannyrivera3423]

Praise God for Jeff and this ministry

[@skyeart273]

Beautiful girl wherever you are, thank you for engaging in this conversation. Thanks Jeff for your respectful conversations!

[@apolloair4017]

Seeing Kanel Joseph in costume at the beginning of this video threw me off so much lol

[@rappinfiddler]

Absolutely love pastor Jeff!!!… I hope to one day thank him and shake his hand.

[@josiahblan9400]

I don’t think she completed a sentence this whole video.

[@nickhancock5584]

Yet even with all the words she said, she came nowhere near approaching a logical coherent or valid argument to kill the unborn.

[@cneilemit1269]

Because she can't

[@JanefleesTexas]

Because he constantly interrupts her.

[@zryanryon3213]

She couldn't commit to answering 1 question

[@zryanryon3213]

The "Like" is strong

[@Kylecombes4]

God bless you guys

[@eileenjared]

Pastor Jeff is drawing a line in between a life human from fertilization until death is a human been point blank!!! That is the only way we most protect a human from the moment God created them until He takes them away from this world.

[@justenadams5798]

She can’t even finish a thought because the truth shines light on her inconsistency.

[@JanefleesTexas]

LOL… because he constantly interrupts her 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@dh3854]

This was beautiful. It was all over the place, but very helpful because of that

[@user-ld3si9iy6s]

She spoke a lot but didn't actually say anything.. that was weird

[@piterpraker3399]

They're taught to do that. Worm your way around subjective truth and self-definitions. If you can define anything as anything else...because you want to or "feel" to...then where does that leave truth? Well, truth is redefined as a lie and lies are redefined as true. That's biblical.

[@HappierNowe]

That’s what relativism is.

[@user-ld3si9iy6s]

Good point.@@piterpraker3399

[@MLC.43]

I really enjoy listening to Jeff lovingly and patiently correct people on this topic, but this one is just so hard to listen to with the microphone picking up other conversations.

[@jrojastko]

She seems like a lovely young lady and I appreciate Jeff treating her with so much respect proving to her that the foundation that she's standing on is frail. I hope she goes home and starts do dwell on it and hopefully comes to Jesus as lord and savior

[@mattshannon7623]

Listen to what she says from 21:33 to 21:36 "what makes you think that the kids are more important than the one who is holding them."

[@Rinebo]

Great points against such spiritual darkness!

[@travismarshall3004]

I love Jeff and thank God for his work, but I can’t watch any more of these videos. I admit I despair.

[@moises556.]

Bro what the hell is kanel joseph doing there😂

[@Moepsalms]

I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@angelajacobs5040]

I'll be glad when people realize saying "at the end of the day..." isn't an answer to every question.

[@chievemoe6590]

Crazy that on one side im proud to see where we are as a people as far as where we have come but on the other side the heart problem is getting worse is people more rapidly than before. Living in this age is both a joy and a disappointment. Nonetheless we were born for a time such as this - Great work you keep on doing Jeff!

[@paulartyomenko7001]

Man, that’s so sad. She literally just can’t see what she’s saying. How can she say anything is better than anything else if she doesn’t have any basis for any kind of truth.

[@DanielM-il4rz]

She has no Biblical or Worldview to stand on..all I saw and heard was “deflection”! Nothing, but making excuses, rather than standing and believing in Truth!!! She has no valid argument!! So sad!! 😢❤️🙏

[@Thinking-Biblically]

It's so difficult to listen to what is going on because there's a bunch of other conversations in the background

[@Bretde1]

You did a great job planting seeds. Pray for this young woman. At the very least, she is willing to have a conversation

[@MBbienvenu]

Pastor Durbin handled this masterfully, but i will not that I've never seen a person with so little understanding have so much patience. This woman is impressive in the way that she doesn't allow her own ignorance grow into anger that boils over into screaming. I can't believe she didn't raise her voice or cuss. Seems like the light of her conscience is still flickering.

[@TruthIsTheNewHate84]

She says "we're just giving people the right to vote for it". So what if somebody drew up a bill to legalize Slavrey. Would she still think they're just giving people the right to vote for it? I'm also very sick of the dehumanizing argument. It's like people don't know history. Every time throughout history the ending of a certain group of people was justified by the same dehumanizing arguments. Every human no matter their age, race, religion, health, or size has the right to life. Saying they aren't human beings doesn't make it true and it certainly doesn't justify ending them.

[@ShaneOverby]

I get that this woman is involved in a regular conversation that she came to without intentional preparation and she may be nervous being on camera, but it's evident that she has not deeply thought about her position on abortion or, and worse, her understanding of God and what His existence means, practically, for her life. It's sad to watch and I will pray that she seriously reflects on this conversation and by the grace of God her eyes are opened.

[@joynecehernandez287]

It’s interesting that I come into the Apologia Studios’ page and see that they’re constantly posting content yet I rarely see them on my timeline (I’m subscribed and see them probably once every 3 months). This page is most likely shadow banned

[@abdiasnieves]

She is a prime example of what’s wrong with this generation. Her foundation wasn’t falling apart, because it was never there to begin with. She couldn’t even stand up for her own religion. When asked on how she would confront another “muslim denouncing the Quran, she couldn’t even give a definitive answer on that. If a muslim cannot hold to the Quran being the words of Allah why bother calling yourself a muslim. Either she was being disingenuous with her responses or she’s truly lost (even within her own religion.) Great job Jeff engaging with her, I was getting frustrated for you

[@kimhanson9175]

So irritating to have multiple conversations picked up by the mic 😫

[@alexwarner5905]

The beginning of this video is hard to hear her due to the other conversation in the background

[@user-ld3si9iy6s]

Im on the right side OF TRUTH. PREACH!!! That made me say amen out loud in a room alone lol.

[@nathandavey6161]

I think I heard you lol

[@Naomi_OB]

So did I!

[@user-ld3si9iy6s]

He couldn't have phrased it any better or more clear. TRUTH!!!@@Naomi_OB

[@user-ld3si9iy6s]

You may have.. I said it LOUD@@nathandavey6161

[@diggincrates1]

She seems to "think" alot. But knows nothing

[@piterpraker3399]

Using neutral or couched language is a great way to demean any actual points and retreat back into definitions and redefining things out of existence. It's a marxist play, and it's what they're implicitly taught. Imagine what her professors sound like.

[@HappierNowe]

That’s the product of an education based on relativism.

[@rainerweishaupl1103]

I can't listen to two people at the same time in audio. It's better to move these conversations a few feet apart so we can hear.

[@GavinBeenReconciled]

Much patience was exercised in this clip

[@staceyallen7480]

I love our brother, Jeff!!! And God created us all different for a reason!!!! So I'm not poo-pooing Jeff here; But personally, I would have approached this conversation much differently. About halfway through, I would have pushed the debate aside and given her the Truth regarding her current state. I would have talked about both the love and severity of God. Eternal life vs eternal damnation. And I don't say this as a "keyboard warrior" only. 😂 I've been going out in the streets fighting against the murder of innocent children for 3 years now. And I will say, the saying is true; "When they won't listen to Grace, give them hell." Gently, or course. And with so much love. I can personally testify that the response is almost always better than if I had just continued in debate. Lots of tears and upset, but also many handshakes and even stillness. Either way, I appreciate the men and women at Apologia Church more than words can possibly describe. Love these guys!!!! Seriously!!!!

[@OG_SayMoreHomie]

You see it over and over again in this converstaion. They are simply incapable of taking their thoughts about abortion out of theory realm and into real life. She tries so hard to tell Jeff that he doesn't understand what he is talking about while he is getting into the actual language of the law and giving examples of what it would allow people to do. Its so impressive how hard the propaganda hits.

[@arctain1]

Nicely spoken, Jeff

[@Naomi_OB]

Amen Pastor Jeff!

[@Heathernd]

God bless you. Some real men making a real difference for God.

[@KarinaHaraburda]

Wow when he said "Don't you believe that Allah is the creator of life? And she answered yes, and what Allah created is according to his image? She answered yes, so basically why are you trying to kill the image of Allah? 🤔 wow what an amazing argument. Great job brother!!! Also in the Bible says "Do not kill"

[@dustinshears5467]

"At the end of the day"... "At the end of the day"... She cannot justify whatever it is her beliefs are.

[@aeleceashley8458]

May I ask what specific scripture says life is after fertilization. I have read it as “the breath of life”. I love the pastor whom sets up a table with his congregation saying “can we help?! Do you need support, emotional, physical, spiritual, financial. We are here to help.” In my opinion it’s the most Christian way to support anti abortion. What would Jesus do in this situation.

[@benwolk2028]

Every time she can't answer a question -- which is almost every time -- she retreats into "I don't want to go back and forth with you."

[@aguaAZUEL1980]

We can easily see when one does not have a firm foundation in the truth!

[@SundayVibesmusic]

Pray God touches her heart and open her eyes…it was heartbreaking seeing her struggle to give a reason for why she believes what she does. No one wants to feel bad or feel like they’ve done something wrong especially when you’re trying to in fact do the opposite. I pray she comes to the true knowledge of what Good and Evil are❤️🙏🏽

[@FindingFaithDocuseries]

Jeff, I am trying to get in touch with you for my Documentary, I am praying we can connect brother.

[@Crossoni]

This has to be one of the most painful discussions I have ever seen. You did great Jeff, but the woman did not seem to understand any single point you made... I felt like facepalming every minute

[@bethroberts674]

Excellent testimony for Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior and only He is the way to salvation. Thank you for sharing. My right choice will be 47 in June. It was the hardest thing I ever did getting him raised alone with God’s help but I thank God everyday for him.

[@amazinggrace8136]

She don’t care for truth. She’ll rather accept a lie than believe what’s true. Great job Jeff.

[@matthewmanucci]

One thing about her. Even though she is not incredibly articulate and organized in her thoughts, she was incredibly patient and respectful, not once losing her cool and yelling over Jeff to make up for it. I hope God changes her heart.

[@amberkern2609]

Oh boy. This precious girl is on sinking sand; not a single thought came to any logical conclusion. This was me 20 years ago, so I certainly understand where she’s coming from. Only Scripture can take all that blindness and shine gospel light. Transform this woman, Lord God. Thanks, Jeff, for being so patient to go on about 75 bunny trails with her.

[@jonathananaya]

I smirk when these women confront Jeff and question his dedication and resources.

[@monicawright042371]

Lord, please give her eyes to see and ears to hear.

[@shade1kid]

Great work Jeff

[@lonigraham2647]

Whew, listening to her stumble all over everything she says is giving me a headache. Even if she had managed to articulate one full thought, which she was seriously struggling to do, Jeff still would have schooled her, with respect. God bless her, I pray she sees the flaws in her viewpoint.

[@alexandralemoineatuesta9224]

She can't even articulate her thoughts, because the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom

[@Lakovos01]

It's kinda hard to hear the debate between Jeff she the woman with the two people next to them talking

[@branzfactor81]

Leviticus 19:28 [28] You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD. OR TATTOO YOURSELVES I’m not judging I myself have tattoos, but I wonder why he didn’t throw that part in ?

[@stevenwells7719]

@12:30 Gotcha... nicely done Pastor Jeff.

[@bixbyhomesKW]

I couldn’t hear properly with the fella speaking beside you. I’m sure it was a good debate.

[@98grad]

This poor young woman struggles to communicate. Painful to hear.

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

2:02 yes, you can appeal to logic. One persons view can prevail if logic is applied. Unless the person is illogical, then they won’t regard a point…. And they argue all day

[@dcstuwilson]

It's a SPIRITUAL BATTLE Jeff. This was soooo sad to see how possessed these people are out there. You gave her so much truth and she was just like yeah but I believe this lie sooooo! WILD TO ME HOW BLIMD PEOPLE ARE IN THIS EVIL WORLD. . Makes complete semce though. And they think they're doing GOOD!The devil has the worldlies today jacked up 😔 Wow! Great work Jeff!🙏