ARGUING WITH AN EXERCISE SCIENTIST |Fouad Abiad, Mike Israetel, Iain Valliere & Mike Van Wyck |

[@jamesbailey7589]

Holy shit Mike BELONGS on this podcast. He had the boys cackling for over 2 hrs straight. I also dont think i myself have laughed this hard at a bro chat in a long time

[@bernie3075]

I agree. This was my first time watching this podcast and this episode was awesome.

[@victorcano8762]

I fucking died laughing bro "I'm high all I know is dumb shit!"

[@masonburmeister7670]

3 people tell fouad he’s wrong and he’s like nope sorry don’t believe it 😂😂😂

[@robbiewalker8403]

Massive fan of Fouad's - "Listening but internally disagreeing" head tilt 🤣 came out in full force today! Lol

[@JohanPredator]

Fouad really got roasted today 😂

[@stevonkoch8002]

it ok to not agree but taking all that time to try to prove that the other guys are wrong and you are right gets old. he does that with so many things.

[@kenzo-12345]

Mike being totally f**ked just makes this episode exceptional

[@calebtapp7790]

Fouad getting schooled by Dr. Mike while he’s high af is awesome because he’s slowly getting more and more defensive for some reason 😂😂😂

[@DC-zq3jf]

Part of it is that Fouad is right and Dr. Mike is just better at arguing. Fouad had a good point that Dr. Mike is "the full ROM" guy, and has recently had to acknowledge the benefits of lengthened partial training based on the literature. Before, Dr. Mike was poo-pooing the idea of partials of any kind. The issue is that Fouad overplayed his rhetorical hand by saying that because bro-science guys got lengthened partials right, they were right about other things, which allowed Mike to retort that just because the bro-scientists got this right, doesn't mean they were right about anything else. That's why Fouad kept on fumbling trying to bring it back to Dr. MIke being wrong; but the issue is that Dr. Mike is a scientist, and is relatively cool acknowledging the benefits of lengthened partials given the current literature.

[@emmang2010]

I loved the podcast in every single way but did like anyone find any Fouad points convincing? For the most part it was the, "largest guys train a different way than you're saying... explain".

[@TyCorr]

@@richardgarland6817his job is to play devils advocate. If he agreed to evetything the podcast would be crickets. I dont think they map this out but everyone has a role.

[@watsonkushmaster3067]

​@@DC-zq3jfwhy isnt there more comments nuanced and thoughtful like this? Can you please clone yourself so people can have better discussions?

[@Supafresh6]

@@flabio7074I would like to see the type of individuals used for the lengthen partials studies. Like the protein intake studies. Were they “regular” people or bodybuilders? I would have to guess bodybuilders bc when doing lengthen partials myself as an intermediate bodybuilder I find they still take a lil too much mental bandwidth than simply completing the full ROM

[@rand9362]

Dr mike and big mike is an UNBELIEVABLE combo. Love the special guests fouad keep em coming

[@8CIC8]

I did not know the two Mikes could exist in the same space without canceling each other out.

[@oliverposniak1254]

Yeah but were living now in the age of the multi-verse...😮😂😂😂😎✌💪

[@rodolfoibarra8756]

Vanwyck is not a hater nor a dxckhead. Only haters can’t stand to be in the same space as another smart individual

[@GBG585]

And bald ones at that

[@jamesspriggs7418]

You need a big fucking space bro

[@meyers.makes.]

❤❤​@@oliverposniak1254

[@NoBody-rj5yi]

The best part is when Iain shoved his phone to justify his forms 😂😂

[@thegretareset5080]

Mike Israetel is THAT guy that every single comedian has a story that goes approximately like "the funniest guy I ever met wasn't a stand up comedian, he was just a guy I worked who had a new joke every 5 minutes."

[@michaelhaslett267]

100%! Reminds me of the earlier JRE days when Rogan said the funniest guy he ever knew was an attorney that he drove around for a while when he was younger because he got a DUI lol

[@xHaste]

This is the greatest episode LOL .. need Dr. Mike as a regular guest!

[@ninocraft1]

yes please 🙏🥺

[@skaBABBLZ]

Dr. Mike should become a regular special guest. Man is Hilarious 🤣

[@Madchris8828]

Dr Mike is one of my favorite people for information, but his humor is top notch

[@tydupont8084]

He’s the best. Sooo knowledgeable

[@JustinHSV17]

​@@Madchris8828do U think periodization is superior like He says?

[@jagfoddesijapan]

Agreed!

[@emmang2010]

agree

[@Tenthirty5]

Ah, Fouad. John was right. He said there are times for full range of motion and times for partials. John didn’t marry himself to one thing, and that’s why John remains so relevant. The stuff he was doing in MountainDog 1.0 is just now becoming mainstream. He was ahead of his time.

[@inactiveio]

Facts, rip John

[@cozzzyy8058]

00:01 Promotion for Manscaped 02:28 Discussion about using drugs in bodybuilding 06:13 Origins of the 30 gram protein consumption recommendation 08:06 Protein needs don't scale with body size 11:39 Importance of recovery for muscle growth 13:15 Bodybuilders need more protein than recommended 16:38 One gram of protein per pound of body weight per day is a good guideline for bodybuilders. 18:08 Effects of PD use on hormone growth and muscle development discussed, anecdotal evidence acknowledged butcontextualized by scientists. 20:55 Bodybuilders' protein intake in offseason 22:24 Experiment with protein intake based on personal preferences 25:23 Timing of post-workout meal is not super meaningful. 26:44 Timing can matter for promotion of anticatabolism and anabolic mechanisms 29:43 Breakfast impact on training is individual 31:09 Different approaches to meal timing and composition for muscle growth 34:22 Partial reps in a lengthened muscle may promote growth 36:05 Partial reps can be an effective growth strategy 38:56 Focus on utilizing full range of motion during workouts. 40:30 Proper foot positioning on leg press 43:25 Bodybuilders are open to learning and improving. 44:57 Form over weight for muscle training 48:04 Good technique is important for minimizing wear and tear on muscles and joints 49:42 Debate on the value of partial reps in training. 52:52 Training in extreme stretch positions 54:33 Partial ranges of motion can be effective for training. 57:52 Training depth for bigger quads and potential trade-off 59:22 Resistance training and genetics are key, not right or wrong 1:02:22 Balancing form and weight for muscle growth 1:04:05 Form over depth debate 1:07:30 Adapting range of motion for different experience levels 1:08:54 Importance of proper form before lifting heavy weights 1:12:14 Discussion about favorite fast food choices and health considerations 1:13:58 Discussion on personal preferences in adult content 1:17:08 Discussion of spouses' habits related to porn and self-pleasure 1:18:41 Discussion on sexual slurs and sexual behavior 1:22:01 Discussion on whether repetitive gay acts make someone gay 1:23:44 Discussion on limits of straight men participating in gay activities 1:27:02 Discussion about the legitimacy of Chris Bumstead's 22 million followers. 1:28:45 Chris turns down lucrative offers to build his own brand. 1:31:57 Misconceptions around industry success 1:33:26 Discrediting someone without knowledge 1:36:43 Professional athletes compete to make money and support their livelihood. 1:38:18 Athletes should be rewarded for dedication and success. 1:41:11 Why do people have an issue with Samson buying a new car? 1:42:32 Different perspectives on materialistic things 1:45:37 Importance of taking vacations for relaxation and rejuvenation. 1:47:06 Certified sports medicine doctor with diverse expertise. 1:50:12 Working with spouse as a teammate and coworker 1:51:44 Discussing favorite TV shows 1:55:07 Discussion about Christmas music and traditions 1:56:33 Discussion on the impact of a particular dietary item on digestion. 2:00:00 Concerns about Sam making weight for NPC classic competition 2:01:42 Discussion on gag reflex and aversion to certain types of porn 2:05:02 Discussion on modern dating and relationships. 2:06:36 Preference for bodybuilding over competitive bodybuilding 2:10:02 Discussion about upcoming athlete at Hostile 2:11:59 Frustrations with spouse's habits 2:15:06 Discussion about pet peeves 2:16:37 Discussion on the career and potential of bodybuilders Seth or Luke 2:19:49 Debate on special invites to Olympia 2:21:18 Criteria for special invites to bodybuilding shows

[@MrWhiteTank]

45:38 nobody’s training is perfect. What I liked about bodybuilding from 90’s. No one really gave a crap how a guy moves the weight. Go in there and get your pump! Now days everyone is a freaking wannabe professional critic.

[@MultiAwesomered]

This is a schizo timestamp log

[@tparkerino]

Best timestamp comment ever you're a king

[@SomeBodyIUsedToKnow8]

@@MultiAwesomeredAI generated

[@Wozzy343]

Dude Dr.Mike “I’m unbelievably high on edibles”🤣🤣🤣

[@the-68quadfather45]

Fouad having his pants pulling down by a Scientist 😂

[@dougmilton3276]

I’m unemployed this is perfect for a Thursday afternoon thanks fouad

[@kevbeaudry276]

You sir, are in charge of creating the time stamps from now on. 😂

[@justinmontgomery1255]

Lmao just got yourself a job my friend

[@WillThomas-hs3oj]

​@@justinmontgomery1255fck that job become a become a bodybuilder and work for yourself, we got machines and robots for that sht

[@user-xs4rm1ti8f]

Timestamps. Where are they

[@DethrowDestruction]

can we get those timestamps

[@CurlyCurly52]

Fouad was so mad when everyone agreed there’s some bodybuilders working out incorrectly lmao

[@qpghostqp9551]

Bruh he had to try to justify it by saying well I could find something wrong with anyone's training trying to skate around what they all said that average body builder has bad form

[@lukasz.rytkowski]

Isy is floating... I can see sounds... Great talk guys! Please more Dr. Mike on the podcast - thats official petition for Fouad.

[@aloeblack8853]

My favourite thing about izy is his analogies. I don’t know if he pulls these out of air on the fly or if he has them pre prepared but they are awesome 😂

[@tyvekhomewrap9164]

100% on the fly. Dude has the craziest off-the-dome skills I've ever seen.

[@johnelgandy]

Dr Mike the best fitness influencer and Big Mike Van Wyck the anti-influencer influencer on the same podcast this is a great one!

[@NicHasegawa]

I never thought this day would come 🥲 Thank you Papa Fouad for making it my best Christmas this year!

[@NicHasegawa]

It’s only gay if you’re gay 👌

[@RemingSt33l]

Only 51% it's okay

[@nb9797]

Thanks for bringing the two Mikes together. They've helped me more than anyone else.

[@joshm684]

Fouad is so bothered lol

[@thejuiciestofallthehams8130]

Man I love this podcast! You guys are amazing, all of you. Happy holidays everyone!

[@trenbolognasandwich3215]

My two favorite KZbin channels put together! I never thought the day would come, bro Chat + Dr Mike

[@Gargarks]

I've always enjoyed Mike van wyck, but holy shit, newfound respect for the man and his ability to articulate and work through critical points and get his point across well. Amazing listen.

[@Jeremy0320]

What Mike is saying at 11:40 is absolutely true by my own experience. When I started I was aware that training to failure as a beginner was much less intense than training to failure where I am now, 5 years in. I thought I was going insane in the gym during the first 2 years doing tons of sets to “failure”. Now that I’ve been training longer I can barely do 1-2 real sets of failure during each movement without completely exhausting myself. I slowly changed my intensity and amount of sets to failure I do over the past 5 years, but I haven’t seen a decrease in progress at all, if anything I’ve only seen my progress get better as I am able to reach failure faster and train quicker then recover for more time between workouts.

[@bigpagla]

Yes! Back in the day when I was arrogant, young, and full of testosterone, I wouldn't dare lower weight. I'd actually get mad if I failed with less reps than 4 days ago, thinking that I didnt make progress. Not that I'm some guru but through decades, I've learned range of motion, stretch, less weight, form, and even work-arounds. When I listen to dr mike, it all comes together.

[@jeromepierce6423]

OMG Dr. Mike is a comedic genius… that was the hardest I’ve laughed in a while.

[@marcusdelmonaco9759]

Dr Mike has been blowing up lately a good video with someone who has a lot of knowledge

[@vstrvcvrtv]

Epic day! The comedy, dirty talk and scientific debates this channel usually has is peaking each and every day, that said, having Dr.Mike here is just a gift to us, as he strives tirelessly to max out all 3 of those stats. Thanks so much Fouad. Merry Christmas!

[@HypetroFitHub]

3 plates on a squat full ROM instead of 6 plate partials will for sure make you crazy gains and more importantly allow you to keep your spine and an ability to walk 😂

[@richiwiwichi8657]

The thing with the squat and other lifts is that no matter the weight they’re not inherently dangerous, what’s dangerous is not performing them correctly.

[@kimdecker8901]

I've been a big Dr. Mike fan for a while now, and it was actually his appearance on Fouad's show earlier this year that introduced me to Fouad. Now I'm a big fan of Fouad, the bros and the whole Hosstile crew, too--which just proves that there's a lot to love in this community. Ya laugh, ya learn. It's a great place to be. Thanks to all!

[@willbourque2810]

What a squad! Thrilled to see Dr Mike back absolutely brilliant addition bless you guys

[@dexterlines1735]

Amazing amazing amazing.really enjoyed the training day with sam and ben please keep that style coming so good to see the diffrent styles and ages and personality all under one hostile banner

[@judgejustified9827]

Dr. Mike is such a great addition to the pod. I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Thanks boys

[@AugustusGray]

The crossover we were all waiting for! Thank you Fouad and Merry Christmas bros

[@Madchris8828]

Oohh man this should be a good one. Mike V Mike 😂. Mike Israetel is probably going to make big Mike die of laughter

[@seanfurlong5775]

I love the fact that Big Mike, basically sat back and listened. That’s why I love his thoughts, cause I know it comes from being an amazing student,

[@onesent548]

Poor Harry Potter getting roasted on this one 😂😂

[@jrgomez8133]

Izzy’s analogies are like Gordon Ramsay’s analogies when he’s ripping someone’s ass apart 😂

[@InvestorFit]

I don’t think I’ve ever laughed as hard while learning anything ever.

[@jimwenzel4401]

My favorite episode of Bro Chat so far. So entertaining!

[@stevendardengo8058]

Mike needs to be a repeat guest, this might be my favorite episode ever

[@mikesawicki64]

mike izzy showing up high af is hilarious

[@zinaidd33]

One of best episodes so far 😂😂😂 DR.Mike 👏🏻👏🏻 hilarious!!

[@SBLifts]

I love how Mike snaps from astronaut to lecturer🤣

[@mattnardo]

Dr Mike getting the recognition he deserves

[@WillThomas-hs3oj]

Whats crazy is youll have ppl like jesse james west etc who literally offer no knowledge to bbing at all, getting way more views and attention, than an actual scientist who is also trying to promote his channel

[@WillThomas-hs3oj]

I truly believe many if not most of the ppl that follow some of these influencers, dont even lift or workout, bc if they did, they would see how pointless most of the content is

[@JohnMobley-vs2pk]

I've have learned so much from both Mike's and the late great John Meadows, and I'm an old dog. Love your podcasts Fouad 🤘

[@PolakMadaFaka]

27min in, and I'm dying. I love Mike Israetel, just up my alley of humour. But maybe he's too much for the podcast xD. I love it.

[@eringarrison3134]

We need high Izzy on the podcast more this one was perfect for the drive home!

[@ianmontgomery9356]

love van wick sitting back smiling to himself for so much of the back and forth

[@joshm684]

Easily the funniest Dr Mike podcast of all time

[@notacrew69]

holy shit merry Christmas to me! This is gonna be fun . Thanks for the great podcast excited to watch it

[@beefyandbald]

This has been the funniest bro chat. Genuinely not laughed this much at an ep ever 🤣

[@zVRTX]

Great episode, Dr Mike is a great guest, as are the regular guys (as usual)

[@dylansinger5905]

When I heard my question asked it literally made my whole day I couldn't stop smiling thank you guys for everything you do

[@glenoh88]

Damn, is this bro chat always this funny. I guess it popped up on my recommended because of the two Mikes. Ian and Fouad argue like brothers…hilarious! I will watch more of these.

[@tarikca427]

You will not regret it

[@Bubs58]

You’re welcome

[@craighoughton3176]

Dr. Mike should be a regular, this is the best bro chat in ages

[@giuseppemarquez1689]

I been laughing the entire time 😂 I been watching since it started and this one is a great episode

[@thomaspalmer1938]

20 mins in and what a way to start! Never seen dr Mike in this light and he makes such an awesome addition to bro chat. Looking forward to the rest of this one. Well done Fouad for asking all the right questions

[@Esajas11]

Never knew this was something that existed lol, feels weird seeing it now after the shit

[@Henry-lz4qw]

Iain’s New TShirt - Have you seen my Squat? 😂

[@MrKoop22]

I haven’t laughed this hard in forever Mike fits so good in with the boys this was great. Much love guys happy holidays appreciate you as always

[@OFO2D]

This is one of the funniest episodes ever 😂😂😂

[@vaughane.560]

Holy shit. It’s the bodybuilding equivalent of DC vs Marvel!

[@blakedinunzio2840]

"...just as gay as I was...arguably less" has me in stiches 😂😂😂

[@spencersivco8503]

Yo! I just got done watching a Dr.Mike video when this came out. When I saw the title come up with him in this, I said out loud, "Oh shit!". This is awesome! My favorite fitness people all in one place

[@Melvg23]

Dr Mike is the GOAT podcast guest. Glad to see him outside of the typical science sphere

[@p-anilsson6306]

This is One of the best episodes ever guys😂😂💪💪

[@savagelentegas5615]

Thank you Fouad for all the consistently and hard work! We appreciate it🫡

[@jamesspriggs7418]

Omg i say this alot but best podcast ever i woke my wife up twice laughing like a girl 😂 thank you so much guys ❤🙏🙏🙏

[@michaelt6840]

Fucking hilarious one boys. Gotta have Izzy in the house more often.

[@gymcandy156]

The best thing to watch was Big Mike all tattooed up drinking out of a bright pink cup haha

[@evan191919]

Mike is so high he keeps grabbing his head with both hands to make sure his brain doesn’t fall out while talking a million miles an hour about the nuances of protein intake for 300lb bodybuilders and harry potter

[@smallfeet1345]

“You have to have a drug problem if you’re gonna be on this show” 😂😂😂

[@emaltroy4098]

High Dr Mike the perfect addition we never knew existed.. you better find a way to bring him on board

[@TayPig]

Dr Mike is the best. Love him so much, please keep continuing to bring him on

[@jamesfrater7813]

The more Mike Isratel I see the more I like him hahah he’s awesome

[@bloodthirstyworks]

54:42 Fouad finds video of Ronnie barbel squatting above 90 degrees and then quickly skips to hacksquats lol

[@dakotasonney2142]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG! THANK YOU FOUDADDY🙏 DR MIKE IS🐐

[@gdt19871]

I've always wondered what Big Mike and Doc Mike thought about each other! This is gold for me!

[@cubencis]

Nothing gets guys more heated than talking about squat depth

[@nyworth1588]

When Fouad says “I’m not saying”, that’s exactly what he’s saying lol

[@JohanPredator]

When I saw the group I leterally went "Yeah buddy!!!"

[@canceresbunny]

I really appreciate the amount of "oh, fuck you" thrown around. 😂

[@ambriati08]

The form debate reminded me of the episode with Guy and Fouad vs Justin and Iain about the optimal training argument lol. I think there's too many variables to consider in the real world amongst real life people.

[@WillThomas-hs3oj]

There might be other variables, but i def think theres an optimal way for most ppl to lift and get results, theres always a more optimal way of doing something,and if ur goal is to get stronger and build muscle, there are def some key principles that ppl should follow

[@WillThomas-hs3oj]

Learn how to do the movements correctly, focus on getting stronger on all lifts, eat enough good food, give yourself enough rest, basic principles is all im saying, not specifics

[@WillThomas-hs3oj]

One of the biggest things many ppl dont consjder is genetics and test levels, those 2 things right there are gonna have a big impact on how your going to look and ur reslults same with food, youd be amazed the amount of ppl that eat like sht, and then wonder why they dont look good

[@SCW_Fitness]

@@WillThomas-hs3ojI agree there is an optimal way but what is optimal at one point isn’t always optimal. Analogy - you are digging for gold and have 3 dig sites. Dig site a has the most gold so you put most of your dig team there. Over time you accrue a lot of the gold and will actually benefit from going to dig site b or c. I see something similar with training. Perfect form is better and represents dig site a. However, results may slow down over time and you might be better off with a period of training where you go heavier and get a little sloppier. The physiological reason for this is that mechanical tension/force is the driver of muscle growth. Perfect full ROM will place more tension across an entire rep. However, a sloppier rep may lead to reduced tension across an entire rep but elicit a much greater peak force at a particular point within the rep. I think Ronnie Coleman’s rows were a lot like the latter example and it’s why his sloppy reps allowed him to stimulate his back so well. He also didn’t train like that all year!

[@RRC6490]

Dude invited the boys over for some steak and beers and ambushed em with arguments 😂

[@BMXkidzevan1]

Dr Mike is fucking legit, smart as hell and HILARIOUS

[@DW-ho1eu]

lol @ Dr Mike constantly making sure his helmet is on straight 😂

[@anth2290]

Yesss this is the crew I been wanting to see especially big Mike and dr Mike

[@GigaMaximus]

I fcking loved the part where Fouad said not to be so serious in the podcast cuz Mike Israetel is high (around 1:09:34) from there it was so much more fun to watch.

[@wesoakes]

When someone as intelligent as Mike is that funny, it makes it way easier to listen to them for extended periods of time without going to sleep. Love that dude.

[@FouadAbiad]

This is 100% true

[@andresilva-tp4wy]

Dr mike's love for Blade makes absolute sense , tax evaders like each other 😂😂

[@johnmadden6065]

Happy Christmas fouad Ian Mike Mike and all other guys on bro chat best podcast out there I listen to them all I even get my girlfriend to listen 😅 we're getting married on 29th so we'll be a married couple next time we listen😅. Just wanna thank u fouad u don't realise how much these podcast means to people

[@FouadAbiad]

Thanks for watching! Congrats on your marriage!

[@Cesarthinksclear]

1:11:33 I also have the same experience with Chipotle😂 it tastes so good but also messes up my stool😅

[@baboigae1029]

12 seconds in i already know this is goimg to be amazing

[@ChrisAli]

I never laughed so hard hahah Izzy is so unhinged it’s GREAT! Hahahah

[@Fit.Dad.Lifestyle]

3 min in, and you know it's gonna be a good one

[@rishavmanhas369]

Four bald men talking for about two and a half hours : great movie

[@kath59]

ian was definitely deeper than ronnie there