Where are the Missing Guns?

[@griff6985]

I heard about a bar in New Mexico where they display a very rare revolver. It is the only revolver in New Mexico that did NOT belong to Billy the Kid.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAHAHA!

[@LoremasterYnTaris]

Okay, that's clever. I like that one.

[@ieatpeopleand]

🤣🤣 That's pretty good right there!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@ieatpeopleand Thank you!

[@michaeldaltonsr8954]

🤣🤣🤣!!

[@tomjustis7237]

I read that Bat Masterson provided himself a "retirement" income buying quantities of Colt revolvers from the factory and then selling them at highly inflated prices as "Bat Masterson's gun". He wasn't really lying, since he did own them, but they weren't the one he carried and used, a fact he never mentioned. Makes me wonder how many different collections contain Bat's gun.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I can see why he would do that.

[@rebelrat3594]

Still to sit and jawl with bat Masterson and buy a revolver he owned even if he never carried it that alone is a story to tell your grandkids about especially if you had a photo to prove it

[@musicologo1able]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Easy...To make a few extra bucks.....

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@musicologo1able Yep. A few of the Old West celebrity family members did this practice. Not just Masterson.

[@maxmccullough8548]

@@rebelrat3594 Bat would've carried it at least once, when he was making the sale! 🤣

[@TJ_Beam]

A number of years ago here in Australia they found a famous bushranger’s revolver near his death site after some excavation work. So cool to see it ended up in a museum on display… great video mate 🤙

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That is great it got to a museum and not somebody's shadow box.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Taken to a farm and shot without cleaning and redered useless Primers were corrosive. I remember my cap guns falling apart. Melted down in WW1 & WW2 metal drives.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Wow.

[@phillstricklin79]

Jim Paul, the former owner of Rawhide had a Wyatt Earp gun in the museum out there. And John Bianchi of Bianchi Leather had a Earp gun in his collection (both cut to 5 inches). Also I have seen other "famous guns" in the museum at Knott's Berry Farm. Good episode !

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I've heard of Bianchis. Not about knotts!!

[@BradSprinkle]

Ever trip into a used gun or pawnshop could be a brush with history. Cool episode sir. Keep them coming 🤠 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

True!

[@justdustino1371]

Awesome video, Santee. Yeah, I have found revolvers and parts of them that were burned up in house fires. I have also found guns in the river relic hunting, and I've seen kids destroy antique guns. I caught my brother, years ago, shooting high pressure.32 ACP rounds in an 1880s pocket revolver that was meant for low pressure, black powder .32 Smith and Wesson short loads. An old man gave it to him and told him it shot .32 Auto! 😞 I have also seen a Civil War era cap and ball .36 caliber revolver that had cylinder walls split and blown open, kids loaded it with smokeless powder. I know an old man who lost a hand as a kid, he loaded an antique 12 ga. double barrel shotgun with modern smokeless shells and fired both barrels at once..... Alot of those old guns ended up as what I call Motor Oil Guns in junk boxes at a gun smith shop....I found piles of those when our old gun smith died and I helped clean up his shop for the widow.👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That is pretty cool. I had a similar experience with a bunch of old NYPD S & W revolvers...and kick myself for not buying one.

[@justdustino1371]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I saw two WW2 US Property S&W Victory model .38 Spl. revolvers that a hobbyist "gunsmith" had gotten a hold of .... He polished em and nickel plated them, took the lanyard rings out, put faux ivory grips on, they looked worse than hammered dog sh*t when he got through with them! I found a broken Savage 1907 .32 Auto in the junk box at the gun smith shop I cleaned out. I gave it to my brother. I forget who, but a famous wild west figure was hired to advertise for Savage and the Model 1907 auto. It held 12 shots in a double stack mag, that was unprecedented in the early 1900s, and 1910s! My Colt 1903 pocket auto is a .32 made in 1911 per the serial number, I intend to start carrying it. Man I wish I had a real Colt Navy and a Colt SAA in .45 Colt!

[@georgewood9482]

@@justdustino1371 I have an ivory gripped 1851 Navy that was made in 1863

[@justdustino1371]

@@georgewood9482 Oh nice! Is it shootable?

[@edbecka233]

@@justdustino1371 There was a pawn shop I used to haunt - a very good friend was one of the counter guys and I got some great deals. He had a 5" Victory model with a horrid reblue job and plastic stag grips. Its barrel was stamped .38 S&W (not special). A guy came in drooling over it, and I asked my friend for a .357 magnum round. I apologized to him and his potential customer as I opened the cylinder. They were puzzled as to why I was apologizing. The .357 magnum dropped right into the .38 S&W chambers which some "gunsmith" had hogged out. THE IDIOT STILL BOUGHT THAT JUNK! My friend and I just laughed and laughed.

[@ricoramirez4678]

Interesting… how weapons disappeared even back then… Good episode Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@michaelkekoa45]

That makes sense that they'd go missing, because back then, they were traded from a living man to another, but then sometime, they were being past from a living man to a dead man. The Earp's took Ike Clantons guns, even when he got them back, the vendetta was over, but his past wasn't. He got killed by a deputy and it's possible that deputy done something with his gun. It's been hard since the town Tombstone was burned down and some proof that could've proved today what happened then, even if the newspapers survived that was supporting one side or the other.

[@seymourwrasse3321]

this has always drive me crazy watching western movies, they just leave the guns after the battle or shoot out. Like you said , guns always have been expensive. No one , in real life would have left them just laying there

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I agree

[@steveburton2410]

ANY serviceable items that could have been carried off WOULD have been carried off! Guns and ammo especially, but boots, hats and whatever else. But, robbing the dead tends to offend people's sensibilities these days, so the filmmakers generally leave that part out...but not always.

[@Rags2Itches]

It always seems like they always took the horses of the dead in a lot of those movies before other items of the dead. In reality, horses and their tack were worth more than the guns many times over. In the 1860's a pair of men's boots cost almost six dollars, colt army pistol was twenty five dollars and a Henry rifle was fifty dollars. You'd have to be out of your mind not to pinch those. Plus checking to see what money your victim may of had. During and after the Civil War horses cost even more since over half a million horses died during the war. Some estimates are as high as 800,000 dead horses in all.

[@jjano2320]

They also left dead bodies everywhere.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@steveburton2410On the trail the pioneers would need that person's guns. So yes, they would.

[@charlesehmke8403]

Coffeyville has Grat Dalton's rifle in their museum, you know, the laying across the bodies of the dead outlaws.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I heard about that one. Glad someone took care of it!

[@franksantucci3038]

Ah Grat Dalton, used to pal around with Stanley Ketchel, the great Middleweight Boxing Champion, and the outlaw. They were both shot dead. Fact all the Dalton boys were. Emmitt used to hang with Ketchel as well. But getting back to Museums with famous firearms, I've been to a few, in many different countries. But the one I like best is right here in the town I live in, San Jose CA. We have the famous Winchester Mystery House, which has been proven to be one of the most haunted houses in America. They also have a Museum there that has every model of Winchester rifle made until 1922. Some real beauties the likes of which will never be duplicated, some of the finest rifles I've ever seen, and I've been around rifles all my life, was shooting competitively in the Burbank branch of the NRA here in California when I was 5 years old. Back at the Museum they have in their collection Oliver and William Winchester's personal rifles, quite something to see... Winchester Repeating Firearms Co. Not only the gun that won the West, but also the gun that won the Civil War...

[@ronstoner1823]

I've recently seen several auctions on KZbin where some the most famous/infamous shootists guns were sold for eye opening amounts. Including, Bill Cody, Hickock, and Teddy Roosevelt. I know Roosevelt wasn't a gun slinger per se, but he was the original Rough Rider.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, those guns have been in circulation for some time. I hope some new ones surface in the future.

[@craigthescott5074]

My great grandfather found a 1865 Springfield trapdoor 50-70 rifle hidden up in the rafters of Fort Lowell in Tucson in the early 1900’s. It’s been passed down to me and I will pass it down to my son. I went to the Fort’s museum and they stated that they have a bunch of period correct firearms but none that were known to come from Fort.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's pretty cool. I know the AZ Historical Society has a bunch from the Cavalry that are in the basement. Maybe that's where they are!

[@craigthescott5074]

@@ArizonaGhostriders yea it was missing the cleaning rod and bayonet so I found the correct ones and it hangs on the wall of my great room with a Ames wrist breaker calvary sword.

[@joecuppko40uh29]

About 1976 moved into an apartment above a junk shop, while cleaning the apt, found a Spanish clone of a S&W .38 with Spanish Army markings on the top shelf of a closet. I asked the owner if they were missing any inventory they said no, so I cleaned her up and held on to her for a while, then a fella made me an offer that I couldn't pass up, back then those old Spanish copies weren't worth much, but they aren't bad little revolvers.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Didn't even know about those!

[@Dsdcain]

Fantastic topic this week. Seriously as a firearms (of very modest means) collector myself, I found this very interesting, and very entertaining video. Be safe out there man, and have a great 4th.😎

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@fordenginebuildersv8power184]

I can say that may handguns have been found metal detecting here in Arizona! Fort Whipple and surrounding area has turned up a few metal detecting! Southwest Tucson Cochise county, bloody basin, just to name a few areas! Great video as usual!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I heard about Bloody Basin...hmmm....

[@fordenginebuildersv8power184]

@@ArizonaGhostriders trails leading in and out of old military posts are great areas!

[@doraran2138]

An old gun without legitimate documentation, is just an old gun with a good story. Sometimes overlooked areas to establish provenance, as available, are police/coroner reports. Even in 1880's most well made guns and even some cheap ones had serial numbers that would show up in a report, maybe not so much as evidence necessarily, but as an inventory of property of individual. Many old records lost or destroyed, but many survived, especially wills and probate matter that still may have some relevance today and these are also good source. There may be surviving ledgers from old mail order houses and large sporting good stores that are sitting in some storage setting, that occasionally are found. Tediously going through them may be interesting. (A book reviewed I think on Forgotten Weapons found and published something similar a few years ago.) There are lots of old firearms out there, that have a connection to something historic, some with truthful family threads, but again without legitimate documentation are 'just an old gun with a story'. Some things to consider: 1) Actual verbal documentation by the original user of specific provenance, in old age, with poor memory interferring. There supposedly was case of Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger that got Bonnie & Clyde touting a Remington semi-auto rifle as one he used, that turned out was made long after the event. Hamer did use a Remington Semi-auto rifle but specif one was an earlier model. This obviously was unintentional. 2) Written documentation by family member that this was carried by person. Jessie James' mother was notorious for going to second hand shops, buying junky pistols, some made long after Jessie was killed and selling them to guillible tourists going to Kearny, Mo. This was intention. 3) Fake documentation, with the very sophisticated high quality printers available now, documents that look legitimate are easily made, aged, and passed off as real. If you have some 'documentation' and high costs are involved, a check by a document expert is strongly recommended. A few things to consider, ball point pens are a mid 20th century invention, with fountain pens (still being made btw) and would be incorrect. Modern paper made by different processes and can be distinguished from old paper, so some forgers will take blank sheets from old books so be aware. All old forms were printed with a printing press and easily distinguished from something printed with either an ink jet or laser printer. A letter written will not have printing exactly centered due to the typewriter's limitations (even the advanced for time IBMs with capstans rather than keys). A computer generated document, say in courier font, will have appropriate areas exactly centered. And there's more suggest you do a search for more information on this topic, even if you just collect the lower priced stuff. A guy in our club purchased a Colt 1902 semi auto pistol, cal .38 ACP that had been in the family of a Kansas lawman from that era. As pistol is considered modern, and he was in a different state, an FFL transfer was needed, and he'd requested seller, on bill of sale, put some family information, and ofncourse he had receipt from FFL that the particular firearm was received and transfered. Good provenance, but don't forget the Hamer's confusion story also. Not meaning to be long winded, but I was fascinated by topic when a lecturer covered this at a collector's meeting. Hope other also find it interesting.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you, and that is important info for up and coming collecters!

[@billb89]

Sometimes the documentation isn’t legit either, the world of high dollar collectible items can be a shady place.

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

Very interesting video! I'm still lookin' fer Bill's Remington....an his whiskey too!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, his whiskey is mine....he just takes mine. Sigh...

[@jasonattenborough4026]

Another excellent video Santee!!! Souvenir hunters is an excellent topic to explore, my ancestor history tells how men used take, the boots, hats, guns, belt, waist scarf, vest and if the dead man was a fancy dresser, he would be strip down to his unionsuit. Mostly, post civil war dead union soldiers/federal uniform were popular to pinch for reasons. The boy grandfather once stated the vultures and wolves aren't the only ones waiting for a dead man. If the man died in a street and look decent enough, the body would be stripped and lefted there until someone pick up the body (which is a whole different experience altogether).

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Interesting!

[@phillfoote]

teeth were valuable salvage as well - for gold fillings and false teeth

[@nilo70]

Thank you Santee for making this interesting episode , and Keeping The Old West Alive !

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@indigowolf556]

Hey Santee I like this video. The reason I liked it is because there's still some mystery as to where all of these firearms could be. Thank you for sharing a little bit of history and keeping the mystery about the history. Thanks again 🤠🍺🌵 feel better soon.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@squint04]

Great episode, I hope you are feeling better!! Looking forward to next weeks visit!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I am!

[@keithwoznek4087]

Very well done Santee. I enjoy hearing about the history of the old west. Keep up the great work.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Awesome video Santee, I've been to that Gunfighter Hall Of Fame, it was worth the $$. However, like you I didn't have some doubts about some of their claims. I wondered how some of those priceless firearms made it into a tiny little museum in Tombstone instead of one of the bigger museums? ( Like the Cody Firearms Museum in Cody, WY. )

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

The owner told me he as a lot of investors who purchased these from private collections. I'm not sure I buy that.

[@TimKoehn44]

Great episode Santee. Always informative! I have seen a few in collections. Thanks!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Very welcome

[@RedProg]

Cup of coffee and Arizona GhostRiders. Nothing better......errr where's the bacon?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah....where is the bacon??

[@wadejustanamerican1201]

Went to the museum, like you had some doubts on the provenance of a few of the guns. Thanks again for another great episode.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@skipwilliams7288]

I have also wondered where some of those weapons of famous and not so famous people are to this day. I always enjoy your stories very mucho.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@davidmussack4529]

I’ve been to Doc Holidays grave marker in Glennwood Springs. Very cool.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Nice!

[@ponydiehl8775]

saw it and it is cool 🤠🤠

[@robshirewood5060]

One of Billy the Kid's revolvers was in the Sanders or Sanders collection in Arkansas along with a knife given to a Tunstall by James Bowie or Rezin Bowie, along with a revolver by Pawnee Bill

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hmmm.....seems a lot of museums have a gun by Billy the Kid. Either he had a lot of guns, or someone is lyin'!

[@joemortimer1763]

Something I have always wondered about. Learn something new every time you you post an episode. And don't call me Shirley.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAHA! Thank you!

[@michaelashcraft8569]

As long as I have been a Subscriber I have NEVER seen a full video on this channel, and, the History behind the Story is always interesting ...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Never seen a full video, yet so many want them to be longer. Crazy.

[@skiphinson8620]

Ya never know what mysteries could be solved if old guns could talk! I have this old H&R top break .32 with a police quick draw hammer (factory bobbed) that is exceptionally smooth in it's double action trigger pull. Even though it shows lots of use, it’s still tight and accurate. I get mysterious vibes from this gun. It was made in 1888 according to the serial number. I like to think it was owned by a peace officer but it could as easily been owned by an outlaw. This one definitely lived an adventurous life and was not a sock drawer sleeper.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you did the research on it. Treat it well!

[@DigitalNomad765]

There all in The Lost Dutchman's mine now 😊😊

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Ahhhh!

[@msmorgan45]

The Dalton museum in Coffeyville Kansas has the Daltons saddles, guns you name it, a really nice musem, the whole down town is a museum of sorts, items are still donated from time to time as local families who's decendents picked up items that day as souvineers donated them back to the museum, the best place for them is on exhibit not in a closet. One of the banks still stands the Condon Bank the First National burnt back when, and on the south end of town in Oak cemetery you can visit the gangs burial site.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I wanna check it out one day. Thank you!

[@keithmiller6277]

The owner of the "Gift Shop" pawn shop on historic "2 bit" street in Ogden v, Utah has a Remington Derringer owned by Doc Holliday.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, maybe!

[@singleshot2218]

Thanks for sharing Santee! Have a happy, safe and fun 4th my friend!🙏🎚🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you too

[@waynedaly1718]

Interesting story. Would be nice to see some of those old pistols and rifles. The stories behind them would be fascinating. Thanks for another great segment Santee.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@Chris_the_Dingo]

Interesting, thanks for posting! I'm recently retired from the museum field. Unfortunately, many items are simply not considered historically significant - at the time - and no particular care or attention is given to their fate. Conversely, people will assign a great deal of importance to very ordinary items, simply out of nostalgia or sentimental value.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I imaginge most museums have a basement with fascinating items like you mention that only some of us give a damn about!

[@Chris_the_Dingo]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Oh yes, for sure!

[@joealbert7773]

I read somewhere that Bat Masterson sold Wyatt Earp's revolver numerous times when he needed money.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Maybe.

[@chrism3872]

There are a heckuva lot of historic firearms in the buffalo bill museum in Cody wyoming…

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

There are. The Gene Autry museum as well.

[@k.j.lindsey3048]

The display at the Boot Hill museum in Dodge City also has a lot of firearms owned by famous westerners. I can’t guarantee their provenance either, but it was an excellent display and well worth seeing.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'd like to check it out.

[@chelseadanico877]

Very interesting and informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it. I definitely learned a lot more about the old west and firearms of the old west . I also got a mega ton of inspiration for my old West inspired analog horror series I’m writing.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🤠

[@chelseadanico877]

@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks👍🏼🌟😎

[@robaldridge6505]

OK.. I'll break your heart my friend .. WW1 AND WW2 my grandpa worked on 'scrap drives' in N.M. (NEW MEXICO) and saw literally TONS of 'old guns' go into his scrap wagon ..... I loved and HATED those stories as a kid... who knows what historical pieces had to be recycled to fight Hitler.....

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

NOOOO!!!!!!

[@marcosaraiva9205]

You are absolutely right " if only could talk " that's history right there amigo 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Absolutely

[@sam2cents]

Your voice came across grand - I have Covid and my voice is so hoarse I should be in movies, or singing Barry White songs. It's great to have your videos to watch while quarantining, especially as we're having a wet summer, so far, in Ireland. While watching this video I couldn't help but think of the Bachman guitar story which is in the news right now. If they're like stolen guitars then those guns could be in Russia or Japan or even England (or Ireland) right now. In fact, I remember a few years ago a collector had an arsenal of 19th century firearms seized as there was something dodgy about the provenance, and I don't think he had a firearms licence, which you must have in Ireland. I am also ashamed to admit I never heard tell of Jeff Kidders until now. Great work! Thanks!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I really appreciate that!

[@rdr2v1nce7]

Great video santee. Good start for the holidays

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks! You too!

[@UnlicensedOkie]

The Colt Single action army revolver used by Oklahoma lawyer turned train robber turned actor is currently in the Woodward Pioneer Museum here in Woodward, Oklahoma Alongside the revolver used by Temple Houston, another well known lawyer and politician, also the son of Sam Houston. Unknown if it is the gun Temple Houston used in his gunfight with the Jennings brothers in 1895, which resulted with Houston killing Ed Jennings. Al Jennings left Woodward after Temple Houston was acquitted with the killing deemed “self defense”

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's a good it's in a museum for all to see.

[@warrenwelsh9890]

It always got me how on movies after shooting someone that they just left all the guns . Guns and ammo were vary expensive and would have bin picked up and kept or sold at the next place they could get money for them .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah! The argument could be that they can get heavy, and it you're on horseback that's added weight.

[@michaelpage4199]

I really got a bang on this one. You really capped off a bit of history and I had a ball watching it

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad it triggered those feelings in you.

[@joep4235]

great vid Cheese ! Certainly sums up why owning vintage weapons is intriguing !

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks, Joe. Happy 7/4

[@jamessell4490]

Here in Laramie the local pawnshop has probably close to a hundred old west rifles hanging from the ceiling. None of which are for sale at any price. Would love to know the stories those guns could tell.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Me too!

[@Rumbo.]

Hey Santee, I’ve been enjoying your videos and I would like to say I’m very glad I subscribed. Dumb question, what is that background music at 0:44?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Ross Bugdon's "The Wild West", if I remember

[@Rumbo.]

Okay, thank you

[@colbyg.8261]

Cody Wyoming has the Dug Up Gun museum. Its guns that people have found through the years. It was really neat when I went to it a few years ago.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'm glad to know of it!

[@jjsadventures]

This was very interesting. Love looking at old firearms!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@ewmhop]

GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS SIR,YOU AND YOUR HAVE A GREAT FOURTH. GOD BLESS

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you kindly

[@ElPatron42069]

I love your content, truly addicting!!! 🙏

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I appreciate that!

[@DALEf4u]

In Griffith Park across the parking lot from the LA Zoo is the “Gene Autry Museum Of The American West”, if you are ever in SoCal it’s worth a stop. I’ve been there a couple times and remember seeing William Bonneys rifle and on the anniversary of Little Big Horn they had a George A. Custer exhibit. Feel better soon Santee!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks! Gotta get there.

[@HootOwl513]

@@ArizonaGhostriders And you can tell it was Billy Bonney's because the loading gate is on the left side.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@HootOwl513 LOL!

[@robertbuckey6517]

Such a cool episode Santee! Loved it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@BJBlaskovichGaming]

I hope you feel better soon, Santee! Bill Brazleton had a rolling block? That’s a nice rifle for sure. The loss of Johnny Ringo and Billy the Kid’s guns that you mentioned is sad, but all these old guns are awesome.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

They are, and thanks!

[@BJBlaskovichGaming]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Thank YOU for bringing us these videos to learn from and discuss with you!

[@victorwaddell6530]

Thanks again Santee & Co.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Any time!

[@georgebrown6540]

Brilliant video and content, thanks for sharing.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Our pleasure!

[@jordanasberry]

If what I was told is true then my uncle in Roswell NM have a revolver owned by Bill the kid, his friend found it somewhere in the desert.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hope that is true. Even if it isn't finding a historic gun in the desert is a serious find!

[@paulgraham5909]

Great video!! Very interesting and something I have thought about before.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome, thank you!

[@greylocke100]

Santee, any chance you could do an episode on alternate carry firearms? Such as pepper box, single shot boot guns, derringers and such? I know my Great Aunt Harriet in Tempe had and carried her grandfather's twist barrel .32 rimfire. She still had about 80 rounds of original ammo which was loaded in 1901 according to the label on the box. She also has a brace of cap lock pistols that she said were boot guns. They looked to be about .38, so maybe they were .36's. When she passed away all of her belongings were donated to the Salvation Army. I don't know what happened to the pistols. I do know the .38-40 Winchester was given to a museum, but I don't know which.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I've done one on many of those. Will always do more, though!

[@eliotreader8220]

I imagine that Bill's guns are probably in a museum or collection somewhere.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I hope so....

[@glennevitt5250]

Thank you Santee for this information 😎

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@tinman8518]

Excellent episode!! Love the old West stories and lore.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@manuelaschneiderexcitingtr5726]

excellent as always

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@dennisatkins9837]

Great episode there Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@jbmbryant]

Hope you feel better soon, Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks.

[@ghalberts]

Great episode. It was great to see you again at Harker's Creek! I have a question. Recently on a movie set I was told that 1880's gunfighters did NOT "fan" their single action revolvers? Any thoughts?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Nice to see you, too. I have some videos which cover that. Wyatt Earp said he had no respect for the "gun fanner." I have fanned a gun several times, and it's pretty inaccurate. Maybe up close you can hit something with every shot, but 15 feet away...I dunno. It's also very bad for the springs in the gun and could break them. So. Was it done? Maybe, if you believe ol' Wyatt.

[@Zig_Waffen]

Billy the kids missing revolver is in pike county IL. I held it Nov 2015

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Maybe it is. Don't want to bust your bubble, but 3 other places in America claim to have that gun, too.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

My original reply didn't make it, sorry (it just flagged). Billy the Kid's "missing gun" is all over the West in shops and collections. I haven't seen any real proof. Perhaps you did see real documented provenance. Even if you didn't, you handled a firearm from the era and that's exciting.

[@Captain_Bad_Bill]

There the two lever action rifles, one found hidden in a tree & the other found just leaning up against a tree, both being left in those locations dozens, if not over 100 years.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Interesting. They dated the one, but not sure about the other.

[@Danny2310C]

Great video and thanks for showing all the guns about the great old western days 👍 🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@Saint-eg7yg]

I enjoy all your videos but this one was especially good! Any chance of doing a more in-depth look at these rare pieces of western history?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's the plan!

[@davy1458]

I'd like to know what happened to some of our war heros guns....like audie Murphys m1 garand.....or Eugene sledges m1 carbine......etc etc. It's too bad nobody kept track of these guns...I get to feeling broken hearted about all the things from ww2 that were scraped but should have been saved....like the USS enterprise aircraft carrier, Chuck Yeager glamorous Glenn p51...or Bill Andersons old crow p51.....or gilbert wymonds "hun hunter" p47.......to many wonderful and historic things have been lost to time and the scrap heap.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hopefully some of those are in private collections.

[@rhondaz356]

Once again, Santee and friends, you hold our interest, and inform and entertain us, as well. BRILLIANT 🤠👏👏👏 Mary Poppins 😅

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you kindly

[@Sourdo1]

Who does the editing and image insertions on this site? It is great.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I do. Thank you very much.

[@chandlerchie6462]

Hey Partner, you mind doing a video on the Colt Walker 1847?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I would be happy to.

[@tdk4660]

Another great episode. Thanks! 🙏

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@stevejorgensen5523]

I have a Colt 1860 Richard's conversion with notches. The story I got with it is it was carried by a sheriff in West Texas. Colt can not produce letters on conversion as the records were lost in a fire. Everything Colt could tell me fit my revolver and Colt said mist were shipped to the Tex/Mex border. Wish I knew more.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's a lot! Good acquire.

[@anthonycalbillo9376]

Eagle Armory here in Springfield, MO is a great place for 2nd hand ones!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Cool!

[@anthonycalbillo9376]

@@ArizonaGhostriders They even recently had a real pepper box for sale. Way expensive though.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@anthonycalbillo9376 Most of them are, now.

[@charlielaudico3523]

In those days guns were available to almost everyone !

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yup

[@johnsamu]

Maybe after some times people forgot OR didn't believe the history of those guns? It's not that Billy the kid signed an owner's authenticity certificate for each gun he ever owned. The new owners might not be believed by other people, something like "Granddaddy is blabbering about the old revolver he took from a person who's name he forgot". Remember nowadays many young people even don't know or don't care about who the enemy was in WW2, Korea or the Vietnam war. After some time it'll become an old neglected gun in a shoebox hidden on the attic. A new houseowner will clean up the house and sell the gun to a Pawn shop and then the traces will be lost.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's all very probable. Look at the tv show Pawn Stars. You have customers selling their family heirlooms so they can play poker at the casino.

[@HARMARSCH2]

Santee Too bad these guns weren’t preserved more fore the general public to see. You just gave me someplace to visit on my bucket list

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@RobertGlazier]

Nice video. Very interesting history. Thanks.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Our pleasure!

[@crawlspaceboy5575]

Thank you for the video!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You are welcome!

[@tedebear108]

Good morning Arizona Ghost Riders. It's your friend Ted from Texas. I love hearing the history of old firearms. I have a collection of History pieces myself. My dream one day is to own a Revolutionary War weapon. Either a handgun or a rifle. But they are few and far between and outrageously overpriced. Preserving firearm history in America is equally as important as owning a firearm of today's history. Be careful my friend and I hope to meet you one day.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I hope one day you get that Rev War collectible!

[@Remoniq]

Your ghost have a great taste when it comes to bourbon, I love Buffalo Trace.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He does!

[@edbecka233]

My favorite after 1835.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@edbecka233 I prefer Elijah Craig 12-year, but I like to try them all.

[@dixiegeorge9665]

They're not missing, they're in someone's collection somewhere 🤣

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Some...but not all.

[@77Sunsetstrip]

Probably!!!

[@dixiegeorge9665]

@@ArizonaGhostriders hey, thanks for my heart 🤣😂🤣😂

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@dixiegeorge9665 You're welcome. Laughter is good medicine, right?

[@dixiegeorge9665]

@@ArizonaGhostriders absolutely 🤣🤣 happy fourth of July 🇺🇸

[@thenorseguy2495]

I hope you get better from your cold. I love your videos 🤧🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!!

[@notdeaded1416]

Hey Santee, congrats, you actually got to say your tagline this week!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hey, thanks!

[@martinriggs1914]

Thanks for the great videos

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Our pleasure!

[@curtishawkins4123]

The town drunk or undertaker usually called dibs

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Not a bad idea. I'm sure in some cases that may have been true.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Just happened to stumble on the channel and the subject. Speaking of missing guns, any idea what happened to Malcolm X's .30 carbine? 🤔

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

No idea!

[@joelhurley2678]

Remember santee, don't call him Shirley. Thanks for another informative video and I hope they do find where some of these guns are.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@nagjrcjasonbower]

Another epic episode... Keep it going!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

We will!

[@ralphperez4862]

I always wondered the same thing. It never made sense to me either to watch these westerns and that they just walked away from the corpse! Oh to get my hands on some of them oldies. Thanks Santee. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh-Chooooooooooooooo

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@HootOwl513]

I saw a Sixgun, purported to have been confiscated from Wyatt Earp during the Klondike Rush, mounted on a plaque on the wall at a bar in Ketchikan AK in 1988. It was a S&W Schofield type break-over, but ''pocket pistol'' sized. [.32, .38 Cal.?] Wyatt probably checked it in at the door, got preoccupied at the poker table, and suddenly later, he and Josie had to rush to the dock to catch their boat -- forgetting or forsakng his pistol.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It might have been his. To my knowledge, the man had a few guns.

[@HootOwl513]

@@ArizonaGhostriders We may never know. I wonder if it's still there? Old West memorabilia is unusual in Alaska.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@HootOwl513 Maybe

[@Paladin1873]

I've got "Guns and the Gunfighters" in my book collection. It's a great read.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

yes!

[@Paladin1873]

@@ArizonaGhostriders A word to the wise, if you own a copy, don't ever lend it out. It took me over a year to get mine back from a "friend".

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Paladin1873 Well, this is on loan, too! Thanks.