Artemis Unveiled: Exploring the Wild Goddess of Ancient Greece

[@paulw242]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’ve just discovered your channel and will place my comment here, though it applies to ALL your uploads. Here in the UK we are compelled to pay the BBC £160 per household per year for the privilege of watching TV - even if you don’t watch their output (I never do, fewer and fewer people actually do). This content is EXACTLY what I expect the BBC to produce: thought-provoking, educational and entertaining. And I come to KZbin to see it. I’m slowly working my way through all your other videos. As well as the knowledgable narrative across wide-ranging subjects, can I add your production values are top notch. I mean first-rate professional and far, far better than anything available on British mainstream media. Thanks a million.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you so much for this comment. It's through these words that we keep on doing what we are doing. And yes, I have lived in the UK for 10 years and know very well what you mean about the BBC. Without revealing too much about my financial contributions to British Media, suffice to say that I was strongly for the opinion that something that is impossible to enforce is not really a law ;-) * having said that of course, someone from the government DID knock on our door once. But only once ;-)

[@helenAha]

im so glad to have your gratefulness.... and your comment graces my page so THANKYOU so much !

[@karlsapp7134]

@@AncientGreeceRevisited And now you must hope that this transgression of the boundaries set by the gods will not lead to justice🤣 For everyone out there that reads this the Patreon is the price of a cup of coffee so go support the channel.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

@@karlsapp7134 And thank you for putting your money where your mouth is, as the expression goes ;-)

[@RaineHoltz]

What a wonderful conversation.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you!

[@TinyEpics]

Love the in-depth videos you provide. They always go so much deeper than the average Greek god/goddess video out there.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Yes, that is what we try to do here indeed.

[@emilygildea]

Artemis has been my favorite of the Greek pantheon since I was introduced to the mythology. I got to learn more about her studying classics in college, but she is certainly neglected. Wonderful conversation. I’m so glad you focused on her.

[@alessandrazacco1806]

Professor Rangos has the great gift of rendering clear and simple very difficult issues. I appreciate.

[@alessandrazacco1806]

Maybe I am a bit late, but I have a question: does Artemis play any role during Dionysiac rituals on mountains?

[@noonesomeone669]

As a pagan and occultist, it is refreshing to a voice who does not dismiss the gods or mystical experiences but rather elevates them. Your work here and in other videos is deserves far more popularity. If there is ever an opportunity to a have similar interview about Hekate I and many others would be highly appreciative of it.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you. Your comments are much appreciated. Yes, there are far too many videos on ancient mysteries that take a secular and altogether modern approach that remains unable to express the life-world of ancients. Now, about Hekate, we have done some videos on Minoan Crete and the implications of their worship. bit.ly/3DrCCSI Have a look also at our Jason videos that features the goddess a lot, especially parts 3 and 4. bit.ly/3ot76Qe

[@UltraMojo13]

Πιστεύω ότι το κανάλι αυτό και η θεματολογία του, είναι κρίσιμο για ένα καλύτερο μέλλον. Πραγματικά ευχαριστώ πολύ. Έχετε δημιουργήσει αυτό που ψάχνω καιρό και θα ήμουν παραπάνω από χαρούμενος, εφόσον η παρούσα κατάσταση υποχωρήσει, να δω να κάνετε και κάτι πιο διαδραστικό! Ξανά ευχαριστώ!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Κι εμείς, γιατί τέτοια είναι τα σχόλια που μας κρατάνε ζωντανούς! Ευχαριστούμε και πάλι...

[@Oblomovrising]

Your conversations and guests are of the highest quality. Sas efkharisto !

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you as well :)

[@Thisisalumpyoyster]

Stellar as always

[@samylairini3620]

I loved everybit of that discussion, beauty and meaning has to come back into the mind of our people. What about a discussion about her brother Apollo? Thank you !

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

It's in the works ;-)

[@shelmersr]

Loved this conversation. Found you through your interview with Tom from Survive the Jive - and so glad I did! Thank you for creating such a wonderful channel with so much thought provoking, absorbing & visually beautiful content. I am surviving lockdown by deep diving into many areas of ancient history - partly to distract myself from a very lacerating modern world gone insane; and partly to try and really understand who we are, how we used to think/live and how we have come to where we are now. And occasionally to ponder how we might get to a much better situation if we can assimilate and build on all this ancient knowledge.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Like I said in our first episode of "On Tyranny" = "the world appears to have gone... slightly mad"

[@rachelcs9933]

“Slightly”??!! Honey, from where I’m looking it’s gone full on bonkers-a-go-go!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

@@rachelcs9933 Yes, ok... just keeping the tone low ;-)

[@Okaydokie001]

Myths help hide a wonderful truth,I feel that they existed somewhere in history,that’s why we find inspiration in their stories.

[@IIVVBlues]

Absorbing and intriguing. I paused and replayed several segments to consider what was said. I have a much broader understanding of, not only Artemis, but the whole of the Pantheon. The thought that the ancients switched devotion from one deity to another with their transitions in life opened a whole new level of understanding for me. Modern man may know more about the mechanics of the world, but our nature is still the same. Your question near the end of the interview regarding religion, reminded me of what Joseph Campbell said about myth and how religion too often gets stuck in the metaphor and misses the broader meaning.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Ancient Greek polytheism is misunderstood for the reason that I suggested in this video: it is confounded with mysticism. As for Campbell, we have devoted a small series on him and his great work. You can find it here: kzbin.info/aero/PLpKJ4OweBXmvTwXVrXAqwZTEtVwkNNKbi

[@kirschakos]

Very interesting conversation! Always enjoying such interviews, keep making them! :) Well done!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Much appreciated :)

[@dionysiapanagou6035]

Each of your videos is a little diamond! I feel reacher every time I watch them.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

And thank you for watching. I'm sure you meant "richer", but "reacher" makes sense also... you can now "reach" further in your thinking ;-)

[@colloidal_gold]

Thank you Professor Rangos. This conversation helped me get a deeper understanding of the idea of the Greek mythology. Artemis has a temple in Jerash Jordan too. You should come visit sometime.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

I remember reaching a temple of Diana (Artemis) driving back from Faro in Portugal and into Spain. It was Roman in origin, and really well preserved.

[@andrijaz4509]

Beautiful! Thank you!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

You’re welcome and thank you too!

[@DionysosThanateros11]

Wonderful talk 🌈 I think indeed we are experiencing an ‘archaic revival’ and perhaps a collective ‘wild awakening’

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Hopefully ...

[@leelopez4544]

Please do a video on Hecate and Aphrodite. I’ve been worshipping Hecate since 2006, she is so special to many people

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Well, before doing a dedicated episode on these great goddesses, you can watch: Aphrodite (+Ares): kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2fPo5dopcSoi9E Hecate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKLFc2qwqK2ca68 (the goddess is mainly featured on part 3, but of course, you can watch it from part 1). We also go in depth into the Indo-European/pre-Indo-European aspects of ancient Greece. And by the way, who are your people?

[@TheGerbita]

This channel is a treasure. So happy I found you! I would love to hear some reading recommendations.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you very much. The book from which I quoted in the beginning is W. F. Otto's The Homeric Gods. It's been the best I have read in terms of approaching ancient Greek faith.

[@joeroubidoux2783]

Excellent! Thank you for this conversation

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

You’re welcome ☺️

[@oscartango6280]

Fantastic channel, discovered this channel through interview with Survive the Jive and got to say your material is brilliant! Particularly this interview, both so intelligent and passionate on the topic, love it!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Yes, I felt this interview has faired like Artemis herself, almost neglected. So thank you for appreciating it.

[@oscartango6280]

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Plato and other ancient greats all recognised that excellence is a minority pursuit. So although the viewership may be low, the quality of the viewers is high! Honestly, it is one of the most intriguing and enlightening videos on Ancient Greece I have ever watched. These videos are making a big difference in the minds of those that really value deep thought, and they are ultimately the people that change the world.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

@@oscartango6280 Words like these are what is truly keeping us going!

[@HighPlainsCracker]

Great video! Thank you for doing this.

[@AndYourLittleDog]

What a wonderful video!! I’ve always felt closest to Artemis when I’m in the woods with my dog.

[@annadimitriadou2889]

Beautiful! Thank you so much.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

❤️

[@johnchatzis3998]

Μπράβο Μιχάλη! Συγχαριτήρια για άλλη μια φορά! Πολύ όμορφο θέμα.

[@nutin321]

These gents are erudite gems. Fantastic content.

[@ifinoexanthacos]

A very interesting episode.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you 🙏

[@countvanbruno182]

I really enjoyed this. I believe we can still have the old Gods even in this new age of Technology. Perhaps they will have to change to fit with the times, but their essence will still be the same. In this age of pollution and climate change Artemis has never been more important!!!

[@redmotherfive]

Wonderful channel and a brilliant conversation!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you!

[@ThomiX0.0]

good conversation. 'Attention' as it's never forced, never concentrated like a 'prison without a view', made Artemis clearly present..the natural sense of grace.. Thanks Michael for the post! :-)

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Well said...

[@g89ty41]

"No modern recognition of her (artemis)" Yo that hunger games girl katnis everdeen is a flipping artemis. The opening scene of that movie is literally her hunting a deer with a bow and arrows

[@hedgiecc]

Very interesting and enlightening discussion!

[@jsmcguireIII]

Your point about getting older and moving from a fascination with nothingness to one of being is important. Some cosmologists suggest we exist to provide the universe self-awareness. Sometimes I think the bright light of Homeric tradition is a blind spot. Being is the real mystery and it is a gift of such incalculable value that it is beyond our ability to fully process without literally breaking down. Perhaps asceticism is a sustained state of this overwhelming awareness. Thanks so much for sharing your unpretentious dialogue.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Homeric verse presents Being in the “unwualified” sense. It’s pure being, naked being if you will. So it’s not a blind spot per se. Whatever blindness comes in the way one gets blinded by a cats spotlights. With “too much light” which can blind as “too little” can.

[@owenintheagon]

Best channel on KZbin.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you very much! Hopefully we will be able to reach more people.🙏

[@iammaxhammer]

My two cents: The Eleusinean Mysteries in ancient Greece were in honor of Demeter. Interestingly enough, those mysteries were characterized by the consumption of an entheogenic beverage. There's your answer! I will make a video on this soon! Great channel, by the way!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

We have a video, in fact our first ever, on this very topic. Please check it out!

[@christinevandenberg8]

Thank you. 🌛🌕🌜🪷🦋

[@aristosbywater9605]

Fantastic video. I would love to see more videos with experts focusing of each of the Olympians and the minor deities!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

It's the plan. But first ... some Aristotle!

[@KataDaemonaEaftou]

Πολύ ενδιαφέρουσα συνέντευξη για μια θεά που ήταν και παραμένει ανεξήγητα αγαπημένη μου από την πρώτη εφηβεία μου. Ο καθηγητής εξαιρετικός και πολύ πράος. Και οι ερωτήσεις του παρουσιαστή, ειδικά προς το τέλος, πολυ ιδιαίτερες. Συγχαρητἠρια σε όλους!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Ευχαριστούμε. Ναι, η Άρτεμις είναι κάπως παραμελημένη, όπως άλλωστε είπε και ο ίδιος ο καθηγητής.

[@michellem7290]

Fantastic chat and thoughts on Artemis. You both speak so poetically, and really make learning this material more thought provoking and enriching. I just love the discussion of symbolism and the gods as aspects of living and being, and of natural and universal forces. I connected his statement at the beginning that in ancient Greece there was no "THE god or goddess" to when you bring up Orphic revivalism, and what I agree is the tendency of modern pagans to lean toward literalism and a very Christian-like divine hierarchy and focus on the afterlife... (though I will say I have sympathy with their motivation; for while yes in many ways repressive attitudes are not as harsh as in centuries past, here in the States at least there is a prominent subculture of proselytizing Bible literalists, and depending on the denomination, the moral policing can be fairly heavy handed and have pretty stark effects on the psyche, both individually and on community group-think)

[@doughinz4260]

Artemis was originally the Mother Goddess. She was known as virgin because she produces the world out of herself without need of sex. Name comes from P.I.E. Xartus, same as Norse Nerthus and Hindu Rta and Prthvi, among many others.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

What we tried to convey however is that there is a difference in character between those Mother Goddess and Artemis. As you might have realized from other of our videos, we are against the "perenialism" that is so prevalent today, and wants all Goddess of a certain type to be the same Goddess. Gods were spoken by poets, and we have to honor them by being subtle. Having said that, Artemis is a Virgin because she represents this aspect of feminity, this purity under a masculine gaze, together with the "remoteness" that we speak about. Gods are aspects of reality, and it does them a disservice to bundle them together like that. The danger is that we will bundle all reality under the same aspect and live in a grayed out world of sameness.

[@alcmaeon9]

Υπέροχη συζήτηση

[@artsolomon202]

Otto wrote a great book about Dionysos. And back in the days they loved the mastix ;)

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

We have an episode on that!

[@artsolomon202]

@@AncientGreeceRevisited thnx, I certainly gonna watch that one.

[@sinamgennis114singh4]

Why does the interviewer kerp on interrupting the guest when he is about to finish a sentence?

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Unconsciously I guess. But that you for noticing.

[@johannesioannistsirigotis7142]

Congratulations my brother, an amazing in light only spiritual and pro-human channel I recommend to everybody

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you. And yes, we are pro-human in an age where this statement is not an absolute...

[@leonardogehring6339]

Thank U

[@jsmcguireIII]

@19:00 I think the Greek's use of human forms as god-forms also extends the idea that gods themselves in a way envy humans and their ephemerality - what the Japanese call "mono no aware". The ideal human body form honored in their athletes and as depicted in their artistic motifs confirms the materialistic aspect to the divine aspects of the "perfect" human form.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

There actually is no evidence that Gods might have "envied" human mortality anywhere in Greek poetry. In fact, mortals are always named "miserable", "poor", "fleeting", "ephemeral","unlucky" ... while gods as "blissful", "happy" etc. As a deeper view of that same mythology however, one might consider a kinship between the two. One by way of "complement," where mortals and immortals form two sides of being. There is a fragment from Heraclitus that is dear to my heart, and that remains - for some strange reason - relatively unknown (especially when compared to "no man can walk the same river twice ..." which is even features in Joe Rogan). It's fragment 62, and it reads: "gods are mortal, and mortals are gods, one lives the other's dying, the other dies in that one's life"

[@jsmcguireIII]

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Yuval Harari talks about the "inevitable" desire for each person to become a god, and how the current technologies that tailor "facts" to reinforce each individual "reality" seems like a powerful tool to that end. He states (provocatively) that history began when humans made gods, and will end when humans become gods. I think the duality of the mortal man and immortal gods is why the demi-gods and similar literary versions are so compelling. Wouldn't immortality be a sure path to insanity, or at least, an indifference to the ephemeral but constant repetition of human suffering? Is that why the Homeric gods often seemed so capricious, petty and arbitrary? I can't help but think of the Watchers in the Book of Enoch and the terrible things these "angels" chose to do. Sorry to ramble! Thanks for your kind response.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

@@jsmcguireIII I will reply by running the risk of sounding anti-Semitic. I believe there is a deep-seated Hebraic desire to BECOME God. Now, I understand that in the Torah and Old Testament, God is presented as uniquely "other," as totally transcendent, which is in contrast to the Greek gods. Yet, I always believed there is a secret desire to become God the Father as there is in no other religion. Yuval Harrari may project this to humanity as a whole, but I think there is something uniquely Jewish in this. Because in Greek mythology, the gods were like "super-humans," and wanting to become them was essentially wanting immortality and happiness. God, Yahveh, is radically "other," he is ontologically alien to human life, and yet, there is a secret anthropomorphism running throughout the Bible at the same time. Man is created "in the image AND likeness" of God, leaving room for a hypothesis that God actually LOOKS like us. And finally, the amazing passage in Genesis, right after the first-born have transgressed the commandments of God and eaten of the forbidden fruit, where God (speaking in the first plural) says: "Behold, Man has now eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he now eats from the tree of immortal life ... he will be LIKE US!" So... God according to the Torah equals 1. Knowledge + 2. Immortality. Think of what Yuval Harrari promotes so eagerly 1. AGI (ultimate knowledge) 2. Transhumanism (Immortality) I think the Hebrews ultimately perfected the art of appearing humble while harboring the greatest, most hybristic desires known to Man.

[@2009LuckyStar]

I have to agree with the idea that once the religion dies its not possible to resurrect, only reimagined however I do think there is continuation of the old gods to the present day, some never stop worshiping them. For me it’s all make belief whether it’s past or present religions, yet it’s fascinating like a well written story.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

That is probably true. But new epiphanies happen spontaneously at the right moments.

[@freyjaharrison-wood8888]

The virginity of Artemis might reflect the nature of the wilderness as being untamed by man

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

That's exactly it! In fact, that's what I have alluded to in our introduction.

[@cyan1616]

Just wow. I think the 12 gods represent the 12 different signs of the zodiac and the personality types associated with them. We each kind of take after that particular god. I see Artemis as the embodiment of the female saggitarius. Maybe I say that because I am one, and am also obsessed with Artemis. I have one of her names, Cynthia, am tall, I have walked through herds of wild deer and hand fed them, practiced archery as a teenager, prefer the woods, fell in love with one man, lost him and never loved another... etc. I am fiercely protective of children and if you touch an animal I would lose control on you and hurt you badly (I'm taller than the majority of men). I was still carded in pubs till I was over 30, some people say I don't age. Maybe the Greeks saw parts of themselves in each of the gods (we humans tend to love ourselves). I bet you can guess who I would be devoted to. But as far as spiritually, a return to the gods, or anything positive in the future of mankind in the world, I am feeling very pessimistic. I think we are all spinning out of control and will destroy ourselves. Something truly evil has crept into the world, something even the gods fear. Each of us has a piece of a god inside of us, and if stories tell of the death of the gods then we all die with them, like Ragnarok. My inner Artemis is scared.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Artemis was also a Goddess of adolescent. In this very video, our guest reminds us of a tragedy where a character (which I can’t remember by heart) is “stuck” on this adolescent phase, refusing to grow up, while he is “still” devoted to Artemis in his mature years.

[@gnomikon7836]

I have to confess that I became a little depressed mid-interview, maybe I expected a little more, I don't know. I had read Spyridon's essay on Artemis before, and I can say that, to an extent, he knows what Artemis is. The sexual potential that Artemis's virginity represents does not mean deficiency in comparison to the creative acts of mingling natures, divine and material, and forming something new. Artemis is always above this change and decay of natures. Does that represent a deficiency? Is the sun deficient because it doesn't shrink land change like the moon? Or is it instead unmovable by its own power, and by extension confers that characteristic of selfhood to other things? These are all questions that should be taken care of when speaking of Artemis. She is not the mother, she is not Hera, or Demeter, but even mothers have a virgin stage before mingling and creating something other than themselves, and that is their core, which is the beginning, the cause, and also the end, being that the cause is not dependent on nothing other than itself, and that all that comes from it ultimately reverts back to it.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

I am sorry we made you feel depressed, that was not the intention ;-) Professor Rangos does in fact use the word "deficiency", but I don't think he meant it quite the way you interpreted it. To me it seems that he was just struggling for words there, and this one just came to his lips first. More to your point, however. mothers DO have a "virgin state" as you said, but Artemis was a perpetual virgin, and that must be different to other mother-goddesses. We must notice this detail and not try and "iron it out" in some kind of new-age perennialism where all goddesses must be one goddesses, THE Goddess. That is missing so much of the beauty that comes in differences.

[@gnomikon7836]

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Of course, no one said otherwise. That is why there was a plurality of cults, of Artemises, of theologies and understandings.

[@ommanipadmehung3014]

Thank you so much for this conversation and this channel. You are helping a lot of Greeks whose parents moved abroad reconnect with their routes in a meaningful way. I hope one day the spiritual essence of the genuine greek religion returns to centre stage, instead of the Churchianity that currently dominates Greek life. Jesus is real and powerful and exists in a different plane to the Greek gods as far as I can feel but Churchianity (as opposed to genuine Christianity) destroyed our culture.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

I really love what you said there: Jesus exists in a different plane than the Greek gods! Somehow you sparked an interest there. Care to elaborate?

[@MasterSophiaChrist]

1:01:00 the gods come from a technological past that is also our future. The existence goes up and down like a sound wave. Progress and remembering if who we are, followed by regress and forgetting of who we are - the one creator. We r one consciousness in infinite bodies. Time does not exist. Many of us come from Taygeta, Pleiades.

[@MasterSophiaChrist]

58:00 the path to meet the gods again.. we are the gods. It is the voltage in your body. Naturally, we are immortals. Marina Jacobi detox protocol on youtube to resurrect your body. Plus 2 hours exercise daily. St Padre Pio

[@MasterSophiaChrist]

17:00 the humans are the gods. Always have been. The are the Karistus race of Jupiter. Winged men. A galactic race. Currently living under reptilian oppression which is why they live only 100 years instead of being immortal.

[@divineawareness1534]

The interviewer is swaying the audience with the word: 'Always'. Personally, I find this disturbingly deceptive.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Please explain ...