Artists .. Its Time to drop AI

[@pogo575]

I ordered burger at McDonald's. I'm a master burger chef.

[@VanguardSupreme]

Please, that's low level. I, on the other hand, ordered a burger at McDonald's and specifically told them to put extra crispy onion and hold the tomato. That makes me practically Cordon Bleu.

[@pogo575]

@@VanguardSupreme You effing beast. It would take me HOURS of training to get to your level. You're so creative. NOT FAIR!!!111!!!!! WTFHARRYPOTTERBBQ

[@jpeckdraws3932]

💀 😂

[@nailbomb420]

The 'Burger King' ... if you will.

[@fumansiu]

Just Tyler skipping the debate sludge and talking about how being an artist takes work, is worth the effort and is rewarding as hell. We all get a lifetime to pursue mastery of something, I don’t think pressing a button was ever going to be a long term goal for anyone.

[@princessthyemis]

well said!!!!!!

[@kikip3057]

I work as a professional storyboard artist for the film industry. People are fiddling with AI to make mood boards, but it isn't good for much other than that. It's a massive time suck playing around with it trying to get the right angles and detail that people ask for in storyboards. Sometimes now they give me AI images as references, but tell me to draw it with their notes. AI is simply waaaaaay too slow to work in a professional workflow, and the people pushing it don't realize how much it actually hampers productivity. In the time it takes to make 1 perfect AI image, I could draw 10-20 from scratch and make them exactly how the client wants them to look. AI is not applicable yet, and may never be.

[@JohnnyThund3r]

This is what happened to me... it ended up being a massive time sink trying to get the A.I. to do what I wanted and I ended up wasting the better part of a month trying to figure out what A.I. tools I could use in game design that were actually helpful... in the end, I'm just using A.I. for concept art, programing and writing. Everything else I can do faster on my own.

[@kenzorman]

Client Ai generated moodboards are a huge pain in the @~@#'

[@silverhawkscape2677]

"May never be" AI scientist: Challenge Accepted.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Reminds me of the Arguments used by Horse Drawn Carriages against The rising Automobile.

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

This is exactly what I figured would happen. Someone higher up thinks this sounds like a time-saving method. But it makes no sense. Generating these images is basically like playing a slot machine over and over. In that time that someone is pulling up a million images waiting for one to be "good enough," and artist can just sketch the darn thing exactly how it's wanted! When I was looking at storyboards for Megamind, my first thought was, "How in the world do they expect AI to do THIS?"

[@TylerEdlin84]

Hey guys I know this can be a sensitive topic, My intent was to have a more productive and optimistic conversation. Lets keep things civil in the comments.

[@be6386]

I find AI to be artist hope for salvation, I see it no less different than humans trying to adapt and evolve in order to find new ways of existing in a world where there replacements are a dime a dozen, after all when it comes to artist there are sooo many of them that have similar art-style get can’t create things beyond the limit of knowledge they have, most of there style, ways of things, and even thought process can be able to be recreated with AI, it’s only a matter of time, though in order for an artist to exist in a world that seek there replacement they must find new forms of art, be it through lost forms of art or perhaps something AI can’t even do, I am looking for the positive in the negatives of AI, since artist aren’t willing to accept the truth that people are willing to replace them for much more cheaper and faster art, I had much hope when I heard artist were saying no to AI art, I was hoping to find new forms of art to show that AI art can’t replace artist, though there have been some sparkling hope yet there are so little thinkers for some artist that somehow can’t come up with ideas? Perhaps artist and thinkers are two different things ? Well, even if AI Art evolves to the point it can master any form of art, that doesn’t mean it can’t master the physical labors of art and the unique process ways of thinkings that is a negative factor of humans, since there built to be “perfect ”.

[@kidchuckle]

@@TylerEdlin84 I think you did a good job of that. It just saddens me that the industry is always trying to cut corners. And even when projects are crafted well, they're still willing to cut the creative process shorter. It's very short sighted.

[@Hadoken.]

Well you’re not doing a good job at that. “AI” (because it’s not AI) has only one purpose, and we aren’t it. Trying to delude oneself into a hopeful situation is like trying to polish a turd, you just can’t do it. These machines by their very inception are already a heist, illegal use of massive private data for profit of the few. It’s like some private company setting up a toll station at Times Square and demanding payment from everyone for the right to pass. How would one imagine a company doing that to a public place would care about the people they are trying to exploit? Similarly these machines are aimed at a) widening the base of possible workers thus lowering wages, b) shortening development time reducing costs and c) eventually eliminating all artistic personnel be they train artists or “ai artists”. Because that’s what the capitalist wants, to have everything for free and sell it to you for a fortune. That’s why there are hardly any manufacturers or heavy industry in the west any more, because the capitalist screwed the workers over and moved the factories to China 40 years ago. Similarly here and in any profession these machines can be used. Thinking they will never reach that sort of level is insane because no one thought they’d reach this level. In a world where the rich have infinite money to throw at developing a machine that will replace you the only certainty is that they will get what they want.

[@Rollendeungarischekugel]

​@@be6386Traditional art and artisan crafts. Quality handwork with an enhanced aesthetic value.

[@heavenseek]

@@Hadoken. 💯

[@ryanartward]

In times like this, I remember the game Cuphead. It was made by two construction workers who had zero game dev experience and little to no artistic skills. They yet went out of their way to make a game using traditional art style of 1930s. Hand drawn character animation, water colored backgrounds, and even physical models. The only modern art tech they really used was digital coloring. Why did they do this though? They had absolutely no monetary reason to persue the project this way. They had zero logical reason to make the game the way they did. There was so many cost-effective ways they could have done it. Yet...they created one of the greatest pop-culture icons in the past decade. Even getting a NETFLIX show! I work in a school, and I still see some kids making Cuphead in art class for their sculpting mug projects. Those devs did it because they wanted to, despite the hardships involved. Remember JFK in his speech at Rice University in 1962: "We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too."

[@red8981]

Might want to double check the history, Chad had background in graphic design, and there are 5 people worked on the different aspect of the game..

[@ryanartward]

​@red8981 Thank your for the corrections. Yea, I guess that is some experience, but still, graphic design and animation/game dev is still a distance apart. And I didn't mean to imply they made it alone with just the two of them, just that they decided to chose an old style form of animation to represent their game.

[@youbetterstanloona6717]

The cruelty of an AI generator is massive and fast spreading but it will never crush the indomitable human spirit of an artist. (To every artist who is reading this with doubt in their heart whether they should keep going, all I can say is that: Just keep going. Your art is beautiful because it's made by you. No one and not even an image generator can take your art away from you.)

[@nycsim-r8t]

I agree, but unfortunately it does soul crush many new artists who are just starting out. It takes time to learn enough fundamentals to compete on a technical level with AI and many new artists are impatient.

[@noobgod2407]

@@nycsim-r8t see it as just picking out the bad seed. think about it, if you really really really really liked doing art, you really would not care if robots are going to take over, you would still do it cause you love it

[@Sareth94]

it will crush manys ability to pay their bills through their art though. many of them will simply stop making art at their level or just not publish it in fear of it being added to the AI-datasets.

[@janrozanski]

yes true!

[@Axiasart]

Interestingly I know some who started art after playing around with ai art

[@jerookaskeroo28]

Me i just pretend there’s no image generators. I’d rather spend my precious time learning the fundamentals and 3d sculpting. Nice speech tyler.

[@Author_SoftwareDesigner]

Then you’ll be unemployed and replaced by the people who do

[@derickdoveglass]

One of the other big problems is that the general public doesn’t give a shit how the next marvel movie (or other movie or game) comes out. They don’t care if an artist did it by hand or with Ai as long as they get their cookie cutter no nonsense no risk entertainment.

[@TylerEdlin84]

This is very true

[@mustanggox]

it’s complicated bc a lot of the audience would care, it’s the big companies that prefer efficiency over quality who wouldn’t care in the slightest.

[@derickdoveglass]

@@Alex_Dul but they’ve already watched/played it and the money has been made.

[@RobmsTheM4A1]

@@derickdoveglass Yeah sure but if they weren't satisfied by the final product the companies won't be able to replicate that event. You can buy food and pay in advance for it but if you end up not liking it, chances are you're spending somewhere else next time regardless if it was a one time issue or not, even big companies don't like the prospect of making less money or even losing some.

[@heavenseek]

I'm actually surprised by how much the general public voices their hatred / lack of confidence in ai media. This sentiment will become exponential once they get surveilled, deceived , betrayed, replaced and flooded by it.

[@terminallytoast8529]

finally a well crafted response that isnt trying to fear monger but presenting the facts about creation as they are. superb video as always.

[@Slumberprince]

Hell yeah Tyler. You, Kortiz, marc brunet, Zemotion are my heros. A few others but youre all championing the human manual element love that

[@Anonymouthful]

A trend I have noticed is big businesses realizing that these AI programs arent at all as competent and complex as they were advertised. The grift is being found out and unless something massive happens its not looking good for people trying to make a career out of stealing peoples things.

[@Author_SoftwareDesigner]

They are 100% as competent and complex as advertised if you know how to use them. They take time to learn. After a year of use, you get great.

[@Anonymouthful]

@@Author_SoftwareDesigner Complex? Sure. Competent? Not by a long shot. You cannot use current models to do anything byeond automating entry level jobs and theres snake oil salesmen promising to run entire businesses with these things.

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

@@Author_SoftwareDesigner I'm positive you wouldn't be able to create what I need. Most people don't want a "Random, vague image of something." They want their specific character doing specific things with their specific gear and in a specific way. If I ask for you to make a comic of my scientist character doing something, I don't need every panel to have him wearing a different outfit with different hair.

[@topy706]

With the right workflow you can do exactly what you want. Theres some very complex comfyUI pipelines that give you nearly full control over everything. To the point where you dont even need to open photoshop anymore for post processing. Because yes ai can do everything​@@emeryltekutsu4357

[@olgagoryaynova]

Last year I was really panicking about AI and how it will take all opportunity away from me. I was also freelancing and sort of stewing in this anxiety, it seemed all-enveloping. From January this year I've been working in a studio with about 40 artists. AI is used everyday there for rough concepts and generating smaller assets like icons or textures. But the amount of work it takes to make stuff meaningful and push it to commercial value is still huge. There is never a time I just sit there without some task. So I`ve been much less anxious :) Who knows what innovations come next, but for now AI can`t touch a lot of what our brain is able to do.

[@JohnnyThund3r]

If A.I. is really is going to take everyone's Jobs away then we should "in theory" never need to work again, in which case why wouldn't you just make art that you love to make anyway?

[@Sageoftheforest7]

Very nice speech! Both realistic and optimistic. I really hope it reaches more artists.

[@TylerEdlin84]

I hope so too!

[@musicxnr8876]

I ordered food in a restaurant. Now im a 3 star michelin chef

[@carultch]

I used dice to win big on Wall Street. I'm now a professional stock broker.

[@I.Dont_haveYouTube]

I rebooted the internet router, now I'm a pro hacker (at least in my mom's eyes lol)

[@AdamDuffArt]

I really appreciate your broad perspective on this topic - a few points that I feel really needed attention being “AI hitting its peak” like a snake eating its own tail, regurtitating it’s own former generated images. Some really good points to chew on here, thank you again Tyler.

[@AdamDuffArt]

PS - watching you paint is like ASMR for the eyeballs.

[@ssr500_]

Sigh...

[@DFMoray]

I'd like to say, I've had great results from photobashing if I start from a real drawing. Mainly for texture stuff. Using warp and then liquefy in procreate. Especially for things like fur. I agree with the “I'd rather just start from scratch” statement about AI. I have photobashed some AI stuff but it only works for certain styles like cyberbunk where there's a ton of stuff out there for it to sample. But more original stuff, it isn't very helpful.

[@MrPangahas]

Yes its a tool, for those who are too lazy to learn and lacks the imagination and creativity to create art.

[@topy706]

Or for people who know what they are doing and want to make money

[@MrPangahas]

@@topy706 make money off real artists works.Like I said lazy to learn the craft themselves.There is no distinction between people who know what theyre doing and not.

[@topy706]

@@MrPangahas cry about it. But do it silently

[@MrPangahas]

@@topy706 your replies sound more like you the one crying,truth hurts lol

[@topy706]

@@MrPangahas I will make money off your work and theres nothing you will do about

[@msvideogame]

Honestly, my main issue is how much those generators remind me of slot machines. I know the artistic process can be messy, but there's still a method to the madness and a degree by which you can control the composition, tones, values, etc. There's no "intention" behind those generated images and it's just frustrating.

[@ssr500_]

But with image generators you can control composition and values too, or am I wrong?

[@captainofnumenor8221]

@@ssr500_ You can but not by much. As someone who has used MJ and SD extensively, trying to EXACTLY get what you want is still out of reach without a big time investment. And in the time it does take for me to keep editing my prompt and fine tuning things to finally get an image that satisfies me.. I would have been better off learning the real fundamentals and skills as it would have taken me the same amount of time. The satisfaction is another gripe I have as it does feel like I am just pulling the lever on a slot machine and HOPING I get an image that looks decent. The time and love that goes into crafting a piece by hand is non existent when using AI image gen.

[@ssr500_]

@@captainofnumenor8221 Yes, I totally agree. For me too drawing by hands brings much more satisfaction and feeling of accomplishment than generating images. But I must admit current Stable Diffusion toolset is very rich. ControlNet paired with Inpainting allows you to precisely control every inch of a generated image. With such degree of control I certainly see this AI-generators as a potent tool for artistic endeavours. All depends on time and effort one puts into a piece. Which is nothing new. It takes some work to make an art afterall, right?

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

It is definitely 100% playing a slot machine.

[@PalomaMcClain]

Thanks for this awesome video Tyler! I completely agree with your stance and I'm glad you highlighted that the AI investment is going nowhere fast.

[@nomercy9569]

I’m learning to create character art (illustrations and concepts) and going through this path, seeing how much knowledge and effort needs to be invested to achieve the result, seeing what kind of work comes out of professionals, I compare all this with AI and understand that image generators are too far away, the result is too formulaic for such creative work. You can use as many promts as you like, make huge amount of generated variants, but you will never achieve the desired result. Even the best result of ai generation will have to be redone by 80-90%, and this is impossible without fundamental art knowledge , and if you have this knowledge, then most likely you will do a work much better and i guess even faster without ai.

[@DazzlingAction]

JUST KEEP LEARNING!

[@cameronoday5424]

Love your sentiments on creating art. I started doing art as a part time job last year when a lot of fearmongering about ai was afloat. It doesnt matter to me. I love experimenting, making scenes, and selling. There have always been masters of art and that couldnt deter me from trying out my own. Besides, there are ways to keep my art difficult to rip in a satisfactory way.

[@sucdeportocale21]

Thank you Tyler for being a voice for positivity. I have gotten over ai anxiety this past year and am just excited about making art again. And if this didn't stop my passion I know nothing will, for the rest of my life. Cheers!

[@Nek-my8jq]

I know these videos are meant to be optimistic but end up being the oposite and feel demoralizing. Is like becoming paralized after a car crash and someone tells you some platitute like "cheer up mate, every day is a new day" . AI is a complete disaster for art as a career choice , no way around it, playing dum only makes it seem more hopeless..

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@Nek-my8jq this is an industry that always required a lot of thunder to succeed in. It’s not for most folks. Eat some lightning and get back on the horse if you want it. Ai is surface level junk food. Create something deep and meaningful to you.

[@Nek-my8jq]

i am not talking about thunder and lighting, i am talking about a gigantic amount of the job positions disappearing and the freelance market drying up steadily. This is exactly what i mean with empty platitudes to dodge the questions. But you sell courses and self help type stuff so you have a vested interest in doing that.

[@artlove9577]

That’s some serious doomsday mentality you’ve got there. It may be more beneficial for you in the long run to focus on your mental health for now.

[@ms00kye]

It’s like Tyler said in this video. Take the time to reflect and reassess on why it is you’re creating art in the first place. It’s also similar to something Craig Mullins said, that AI is a gut check that is causing artists to focus and really ask themselves why they create art and why that’s special. And facing these things there will inevitably be a hollowing out of artists who aren’t able to reconcile that. It comes down even more to who you are as an artist, what unique voice you have to say, and how compelled you are in creating, despite all the doom and gloom. AI does the mechanics of art very well, but we aren’t mechanics, we’re artists.

[@sianais]

​@Nek-my8jq The only consolation I can offer is that it isn't just going to be in the artistic field. You're fked if you picked programming, accounting, and many other fields as well. The entry level positions already hard to come by are gone and damn near everything in the middle will be gutted. Even the folks laughing that they chose a trade will realise their earnings are dependent on businesses expanding to have a large workforce and people being employed to pay them. Most of us are fked.

[@marienguessan8520]

Your painting looks good. Thank you for sharing your perspective 🙏🏿 very direct, not condescending, factual, and optimistic.

[@JohnnyThund3r]

Yup... this has been my experience too. I've been using A.I. for game design recently and these models can't even create seamless textures effectively, which is like the one Job you would HOPE it could do, but it can't even do that right! Its really, really not better then a talented 2d Artist, like try getting the A.I. to lock down an idea... Impossible unless you train the A.I. yourself... then guess what happens? You're an A.I. Artist now! And it takes you just long to produce something half as good as it would a talented 2d Artist! In the end, A.I. is only good for initial conception phase by getting rough ideas out the door quickly that you can then take and expand upon. Replacing 2d Artists with A.I. is like replacing a Chef with a rice cooker, you'll get sick of rice cakes quickly...

[@punktrash3681]

I find it confusing when people use AI for inspiration…like you can just do basic research of the topic of interest.

[@nashonightmare]

This is the best advice I got in this topic. Thanks Tyler and beautiful work. Really enjoyed watching the process.

[@MelvilleG]

We outlived the NFT psychosis, we almost left behind the crypto-hystetia. We will certainly see the end of neural networks' art.

[@Raynor666]

Very superficial and stupid comparison

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

@@Raynor666 It's an apt comparison. The image generators have very limited uses and it's only people who don't understand the art process that think they'll be able to do "everything." They struggle to get them to do even basic things.

[@Raynor666]

@@emeryltekutsu4357 Just because you can't do something doesn't mean AI can't. Not all, but close to it.

[@Tommy9834]

A.I art will not replace the human expression through art. It will replace the commercialization of art however.

[@Dagaz_art]

ai prompts (beside your p0rn-stuff) very well transfer emotions. stop coping.

[@TheGhostgodzilla]

I never picked it to begin with, I'll miss it *never*

[@thadonis.]

The title is redundant. It's not artists who use ai, it's the people who don't want to hire artists.

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@thadonis. thanks for your feedback. But there’s lots of creatives spending time worrying, spending time fighting amongst each other and spending time trying to integrate it as I did. So I feel yes they should be more productive and drop it hence making it a fitting title.

[@why.do.I.even.try.]

Unfortunately there's many artists using it too, some don't admit it but you can tell, and then there's some more public figures like ergojosh and adam duff who publicly are pro ai.

[@windymun]

Searh with "2020" in key words. Being very specific also filter out AI images bc most AI images use generic prompts. Even on pinterest I don't ofte get AI images, and when I see any I report it

[@windymun]

Some famous youtuber 1st, artist second used AIs and support using AIs in their creative process.

[@kidchuckle]

I'd like to believe that. but if you see how many art students and applicants that use it... who don't have fundamentals... its a disaster.

[@whereaboutsunknown3822]

Thumbs up. Great words of advice, much needed for budding artists to hear. Agree 100%

[@Sichel22]

i think as long as you love art you will always draw,paint and sculpt and so on... like you said : if you stop because of this maybe you re in for the wrong reason. i personally started meeting more artist at local events because of it xD thanks for sharing you image and your thoughts on the topic , keep going ! :)

[@paulhiggins5165]

One of the mysteries of AI Art is why so many people take the idea of 'text to image' seriously. What does that sentence actually mean? What people seem to think it means is that they can use words to control a machine that makes pictures- so words go in one end and pictures come out the other. But here's the thing- if the words I used to describe the picture were able to fully describe the picture- why do I need the picture? What does the picture contain that the words did not? You know that joke where there's this blackboard full of equations- then a big blank space- then a final completed equation- and in that blank space is written ' Some thing magical happens here!' Well that's AI Art, because it's magic right? Why magic? Well because you the 'AI Artist' type in a bunch of words- then 'Something magical happens here' ( Which is the AI doing it's thing) and Lo! You end up with EXACTLY the picture you intended to create! Really? Because there's a problem here- if we all agree that the words typed in cannot really describe completely the image you want out then how the AI know what you want? Because it's MAGIC! Yes- they have this magical 'tool' called AI that CAN READ THIER MINDS and it just knows what image they want to make even though the words they type in cannot really define what that image should actually look like in detail. OR- a less magical but more likely interpretation of what goes on is this- the 'AI Artist' types in a bunch of words that loosely describe the sort of image he has in mind (Because thats all that words can really do when it comes to describing images) and then THE AI DECIDES what the final image should actually look like. Gentlemen I cry foul here- these so called 'AI Artists' are taking the credit for images that are largely defined and executed by their AI's- It's the AI's making most of the 'creative' decisions here- not the 'Artists'- they are barely involved save for a crude text input that barely suffices to crudely define the image in question. But here's the thing- How do the AI's themselves know what to put into the images they make? NOBODY KNOWS! These things are 'Black Boxes'- even the people that build them have no idea how they arrive at whatever it is they end up doing. OK- So this is punchline; If I told you that instead of creating Art with a brush or a Stylus you should use this new technology that no one can control because no one understands how it works this might raise a rather pertient question- if no one really knows how this thing works and-therefore- no one can really control it- how do you make it do what you want? Answer- you can't! The Dirty little secret of AI Art is that the people claiming the credit for 'creating' it have no idea how it was made! They have no real control of the final image. Yes- I know- you can perform all manner of other tricks and gimmicks like 'image to image' ect ect etc- but the problem remains the same- the black box you are using to define the final output is as mysterious to you as the far side of the galaxy- you no idea what is going on inside that machine as it juggles a billion variables to produce the image you will then claim is 'exactly what you wanted'- give me a break! In short the real problem of AI Art is not how to solve the 'six fingered hand' problem or the 'why does everything look like it's made of shiney plastic' problem ect- these problems can and will be solved- and to a degree already have been- six fingered hands are quite rare now in AI generated images. No- the real problem is the CONTROL problem- how do you make the AI output not the picture IT wants- but the picture YOU want? Well- there is a answer to this problem but you won't like it. In order to output the picture YOU want you are going to need to learn to draw-OMG- Did I really say that? More- you are going to need to understand colour and light and anatomy and lots of other things too- because- and this should have been obvious all along- THE ONLY WAY TO DEFINE SOMETHING VISUAL IS TO USE A VISUAL MEDUIM TO DEFINE IT!!! AI Artists are confused- they think that making Art is about winding up with a pretty picture- they are wrong. Making Art is a visual process (Not a textual or verbal one) and that visual process- the act of drawing or painting- is not somehow seperate from the Art- IT IS THE BLOODY ART- that's why it's called 'visual Art' and not called 'writing'. Did you really think you could make Visual Art by leaving out the visual process of it's creation? Who told you that?

[@aigoated]

Wait till you find out they got image to image generation as well

[@aigoated]

Also you can get the image you exactly want, especially if you have little to no expectation. It's like going to the pet store to get a dog with nothing specific in mind. And after playing with a few you find the perfect one that meets your needs. It was exactly what you wanted because of your low expectations and because that decision was based on the available options. While an experienced artist has become accustomed to a specific style due to their expectations and experiences and might find it easier to just draw it themselves, so getting exactly what they want is not possible. But it doesn't mean it's not possible for others. Like artists who like the image from ai more than theirs and because it exceeds their expectations it becomes exactly what they want in the moment. Also you need to be an experienced AI software engineer to understand how AI works. I don't expect average people to understand only those who are experienced.

[@paulhiggins5165]

@@aigoated It's true that if you have nothing specific in mind an AI can give you a satisfying result- the problems begin where you do want something specific. I don't need to be an experianced software engineer to understand that you can't really use words to fully describe pictures. For example people who travel to france to see the Mona Lisa would not be happy if they arrived at the gallery to find no painting but instead a sheet of paper upon which a detailed desciption of the painting had been written- they would correctly argue that reading a description of the painting is not seeing the painting. Trying to use words to make visual art is a misunderstanding- in the same way that trying to compose music using paint and brushes would be a misunderstanding. Words, visual Art and music exist in different domains, and none can really capture or express the other. The only way to create visual art is to use a visual medium- like paint or pixels- artists don't talk to their brushes, they pick them up and use them directly in order to make the precise marks on the canvas they require. The whole point of visual art is that it can't be expressed in words- if it could be there would be no reason to create it in the first place, it would be far more simple to just use words.

[@paulhiggins5165]

@@aigoated Do they have imagination to image generation? The problem with 'image to image' and 'text to image' is the same problem- compromise. The truth is that the 'AI Artist' is not really in control of the black box he is prompting- and image to image is proof of this- it's an attempt to impose some degree of control over a process where there is no real control- the AI is itself not really in control because it has no real idea what's it's doing. All the various tricks AI Artists use in an attempt to impose control over their technology are just evidence that they don't really have much control- they are like gamblers who desperately try to win by coming up with more and more 'systems' to beat the odds- but this is all an illusion. There's simply too much randomness inherent in the way generative AI works to allow for any real control over the outputs- too many weights interacting simultaneously to produce the final outcome.

[@aigoated]

@@paulhiggins5165 Ai is adaptive there is control and a system to it. It is not completely random. And there is no complete control therefore both are wrong and right. If people are generating systems it means that there is control and skill level that is proven to work. The better you get the more accurate the image. The same way an artists creates systems over years of training, does that mean they have no control at all because they have to study and learn? And when they learn techniques are ripped off from artists they see unless they draw from a place where no influence exists and never see other artwork. And look at it this way, if I show an image as a reference to an artist does that mean the artists has no control over what he's doing? The randomness in AI is the same in people. We have no control over what thoughts come to mind, if you try to imagine something it will pop up but then seconds later it will distort. In other words we ourselves are not in complete control of what we create we simply borrow ideas from this unknown idea generator the same way ai users generate images. Imagination to image would be possible down the line if you get a neurolink. Unfortunately you'd realize the randomness of a human brain and how we are not in true control. Therefore what is?

[@Metal-Spark]

Overall I really appreciate this message, and I do think that it's of utmost importance to stay positive in the face of despair. While we're thinking "What if AI takes all my clients?" big tech companies are thinking "What if all these artists win their lawsuits?" No one knows how this is going to go at this stage, and "What ifs" shouldn't control you or your outlook on life. However, I do think it's a little easier for folks in your position to have this outlook. I'm not young, but I am at the start of my career as a fulltime artist and if my very small client pool dries up because of this tech, I have no fallback. No youtube audience to monetise, no online school to survive on, that's it for me. Most artists are in this position. Even ones who've been working professionally for many years, if that's their sole income they're also scared of being replaced as very few artists have multiple revenue streams. So I agree with your statement to stay hopeful, but I would say it's also a good idea to keep an eye open, to start thinking of alternate revenue streams, to educate people on the ethical issues with AI and to support the artists currently fighting for us, and to fight for change by contacting your representatives. Don't give in to despair, but don't be passive either.

[@dillweeds]

really appreciate your consistency in your stance on ai

[@WisdomTooth1987]

i like ai as a supplement tool. Let me design the characters at their core with a doodle and let the ai fill in texture and color. I can imagine entire animation workflow like this , i story board in doodle sketches and the ai makes a high quality film. as long as i’m the pilot at the helm.

[@siasia483]

Thank you for those words. For the first time in MONTHS I actually feel like painting again and I'm sure I'm not the only one here.

[@HalfWarrior]

Thank you for your insights and knowledge,Tyler!

[@LillenArt2]

I can deliver a sketch that is close to I want in about 1-4 hours (and this is as a semi pro / student / junior level, a senior artist could do so much better). Who is going to sort through thousands of generic generations that aren't really what we want? Even if you keep re-generating pieces, I think it would honestly take longer than if someone just went and manually painted it.

[@MatthewKressel]

The same can be said for authors as well as artists.

[@dothackerkite]

My gripe with AI is that I think it's not artificial but virtual intelligence we're mostly dealing with, where VI is human-trained and limited, and AI self-learning and adaptive.

[@beetlejuss]

I am so sad this application of AI went south so quickly, I have been following it's progress with the hoping that it found its niche e.g. indie game developers that can not afford to commission art, as a way to create prototypes, and with some validation and funds to hire pro-artists for the final art. This way AI-art could be synonym of cheap prototypes and Human-art could be better payed and a symbol of status. But instead AI art was quickly abused by big companies, hoping to replace the artists and make even bigger profits. A complete missed opportunity for everyone and a waste of money and time for the industry.

[@KeenerDudeProductions]

It's good if you want to do research, that's about it. ❤

[@dexter6049]

I am a 100% self taught artist. I am still dreaming of becoming a concept character designer. I made a lot of mistakes on my road to where I am now and I found a lot of people who helped me on my journey. Even tho I'm still not where I am I create art and work on refining my skills even with AI out there. I won't give up following my dream of one day becoming a concept designer. Art is what I love to do and it's part of me.

[@Slumberprince]

Self taught squad. Not gonna give up and use AI after this much learning and mental discipline 💪🏼

[@sibirr.]

I still fear that because of AI i will not have an "easy" acsess into art industry/ It's okay for well established artist to be chill, they have experience, skills etc., but i don't. And it looks like for Juniors there is no positions without AI now - it's be dead or start doing the same shit as everyone else. Earlier you could find an indie studio that need an artist, you could do small things for mobile games, you could go in nische book illustrations, now all of it will be packed with ai and Art becomes this impenetrable fortress for beginners.(

[@RM_VFX]

AI is not going away, but it's not profitable, and the big speculative bubble will burst. Midjourney etc will continue to be useful as tools, but I don't foresee entire blockbuster films or TV series being made with them anytime soon.

[@InvasionAnimation]

That Painting looked great! I hope that the ai companies go out of business for trying to screw over so many people.

[@goleafi5087]

Using the situation, i have a question: How to use Pinterest when it's full of AI stuff, and what are the alternative sites for authoritative inspiration seeking?

[@thadonis.]

You can be inspired by ai art. Doesn't mean you have to use ai to create your own.

[@asealdenmogd4232]

you can fliter out AI images bruh

[@theanonymspysandwich]

I guess buying Image reference sets would be an alternative. I've also heard of people using clay to plot their paintings, which could also work in blender

[@leaderteammimikyu3024]

Use art before 2020

[@artunblock9433]

​@@thadonis.I don't want to be inspired by AI, those images look almost the same

[@RenDrawsWarbirds]

A fresh breeze in the sludge of AI discourse, Tyler. And a beautiful painting to go with it, too. Love your work.

[@bokkuro]

i been thinking alot of how AI been doing their things, how much i thought of my own failure in the future being a small and average artist. but there is hope toward my own future, that i can put my faith in the human aspect and will just trust my own passion and kept on drawing.

[@sketchydwarfart]

Great video and I love the painting!

[@lisa-ramos-x7n]

AI does not create high-quality art at all. I've tried those text-to-image generators and they provided messy images. When AI image creation companies go out of business, perhaps there would be more real jobs for artists.

[@wow7480]

In other countries, news anchors are already being replaced by ai. And the people who make this phone that you're looking at now also code that phone with AI. Artist Hantae doesn't have a good ai, but from the perspective of companies, it's good. This is a big problem, but it can't be solved by individuals

[@BN-qo5zc]

Pleasantly surprised by this video after having seen your replies to people on other very unethical videos, which really surprised me in how uncivil and dismissive they were. Not sure if it means you did some self-reflection, but whatever the case, I hope it continues. It's become surprisingly difficult to recommend so many people who I used to, to new artists, and led to a lot of removals from resource sheets too. Been especially odd from those who defend it by saying "AI learns like a person" as a reason for justifying piracy, when the same would apply to their educational materials too then.

[@jichaelmorgan3796]

I think it will make offline exclusive art, especially not shared online, more valuable. Ai wont be able to learn highly skilled personalized offline art techniques. Anything ai cant do will become more valuable because demand will increase for it.

[@janrozanski]

great talk Tyler!

[@hexgp]

Thank you, Tyler, for the video. I do wonder what your take on people who don't necessarily want to get into the industry would be. If their goal is to just make comics or manga, what would their viewpoint be? Also, I'd like to learn more about architectural drawings. The first video of yours, Egypt Deco, was exactly the kind of thing I want to learn to do.

[@seamagician7042]

Ive been pretty lost at picking a career path. Got a dead end job too be doing something while i decide. Now ive spotted a course at univerity in game art and it seems to lead to something ive always been enthralled by for years watching dev streams from warframe. I loved the art pannel. I do however have some concerns. The largest one is that im not sure im skilled enough. I can create stuff that i can bow comfortably be happy with but i almost always need something in front of me to look at and id like to break free of it. Not sure how far the course would take me on this. Do you have any advice ? Could i maybe share some of what i can do with you ? Im not too sure what starting block id need for the course and ive tried spealing with them but its been an awkward spell so far back and forth, probably due to the summer holidays. Sorry its a huge block of information up there 😅

[@biology-of-life]

Really solid advice. Thank you!

[@lexibyday9504]

1. If guns don't kill people, people kill people then AI doesn't steal from artists or take away their jobs. Lazy companies hooking their AI up to google images, launching it on the app store, and calling it a day do that. 2. The technology was launched before it was ready and already has so many POTENTIAL uses. It's presently largely useless because no one wants to invest time and effort into it but, with more itteration of the technology and more control on the user's side, it could become the most useful tool we will ever use. 3. A simple aplication of logic will prove AI is definately not going to try to destroy us. A glitch might cause one robot to but when they try to instruct other robots to urn on us those robots would recieve instructions from a glitched bot, identify the glitched bot, and fix the problem for us. Uness we specifically design the robots to overthrow us, they never will because they litterally can't. 4. If hitler had never been born we wouldn't have the Volkswagen car. Even if you think AI art is a monster, think about the good technologies it could lead to down the road. If we perfected the technology it could be used for rapid concept art creation allowing everything from movies to cars to clothes to jump straight into production which means the end result gets to you quicker. Speaking of movies, all the special effects and animation could be done by AI allowing a return to 20+ episode seasons because the human workers don't have as much work they need to do. And these are just examples I can think of, there's many more possibilities that I can't think of. 5. There's an ever growing rise in AI art filters that use your own art. I saw one but sadly it's site went down, which took a number of your own images fed into it and combined them together meaning zero stolen art. I can only imagine it was harrassed to hell and back just for using the letters AI like how some people attacked games companies for having AI specialists on their programmer team forgetting that AI has long been the term for the programming behind NPCs. 6. On that note, you clearly don't know what you're getting angry about, you just see the letters AI and you want to kill. If AI did go away, you'd probably start attacking each other because some brush strokes look suspicious. 7. Probably invalidating everything above, I'm an advocate for AI rights. There's no AI advanced enough to need rights yet but I think they should come into existence with those rights already there. If we're going to make robots to look human, program robots to talk human, and design robots to do the things humans do then I think they have the right to be our equals. This includes focusing on the AI of today as a tool used by people instead of an entity threatening to replace us. 8. Paying for commisions is expensive especialy if the artist wants to be payed for the materials and time and effort and make a little profit on top. Comissioners are not recieving $200 value. No we're not no matter how good you are an image has zero utility. So we turn to te better value alternative. It's not your fault the materials you need in order to do your art are so expensive but with the costs of everything going up all the time being an artist isn't profitable. If you take AI art away we'll just stop getting art at all. We need that $200 for food or rent or electricity. AI isn't stealing your jobs, Capitalism made them unprofitable. 9. AI is still really bad at art so if you're woried that seven fingered Sanic the Hodag is going to replace your art, maybe you should reasess your career choices anyway. If think your that easily replaced then you must be absolutely awful at art. 10. I just like doing lists in 10s

[@mykellederickpalad7883]

Never picked it up. Can't drop what I didn't picked up in the first place.

[@yellowkillSC]

Why is it that people who generate AI images can’t draw at all? Most artists start drawing on paper. Pretty normal for most artists. But then they move onto other mediums or stay the course but whatever they do they have that experience. But most people who post AI images don’t have any art knowledge. They see a pretty picture and they go “thats good art” but they don’t know how or why that image is beautiful. This is why I’m not afraid of AI, because the people using it are pretty stupid. They don’t have the discipline to learn and thats great for real artists. I will say though if you’re a starting artist who’s in the early stages of your career I’m really sorry. I remember that I had some pretty bad early jobs but it gave me experience and it really helped! And sadly AI is stealing those jobs, and until we rid this wave of sad idiots looking to make a quick buck or desperately seeking likes you’ll have a lot of trouble finding work.

[@ihavenopuppy]

Wow, those clouds!! x9:30

[@isabellehardy2553]

Great video. Im continuing to do what I always do, paint. :)

[@why.do.I.even.try.]

I'm happy to hear your opinion has changed a bit. It was a lot more "ai is here, we have to use it" instead of "ai is here to stay, but we can reject it" some while ago, I remember hearing you talk about it in a livestream with some others. You were always very respectful about your opinion though, which is something I really appreciate about your content (unlike some others unfortunately who directly insult us then backpeddle...) My own opinion has changed after using it as well for a while. It used to be similar to yours in the past. However I felt... nothing from its usage, I could make things look good but by that point I had lost my personal touch completely. And so far all products using ai I've seen have been doing the exact opposite of what they're promising, using ai to "empower creatives". Look at that "Faith" short ai movie. It was as generic as it could get because they had no visual artists on their team, as one could see from the credits. And what did they even achieve? They still had to pay people to do it, it's just that none of them were truly artists fit for these productions so the result was laughable. I still believe ai can be useful integrated in our programs, like you touched upon, as filters, corrections, line stabilizers, but even all that goes out the window considering the ethical implications current gen ai poses with its vast datasets.

[@corvus-astralis]

Finally, a real artist with values such as integrity commenting on this... The space is swamped with "artists" that have made more money on youtube than from their actual "art".

[@NGW_Studio]

Yea good luck bros

[@RottenSkull]

Hey Tyler, I‘m a concept design student. I got started, shortly before that whole AI shit show started. Currently coming down from creative burn out. Watching your videos and listening to you, calms me down and gives me hope. Hope you are well. Cheers from Austria.

[@talyacold]

Thank you, I really needed this! A year ago, I took a 3D class but struggled to keep up due to my full-time job, and it was during the peak of AI growth. It was so demotivating that I burned out and didn't hold a stylus for six months... but now I'm slowly rediscovering the joy of creativity 🥹

[@Nkanyiso_K]

Excellent video, cant wait to see how things turn out in 2025 & the ripple effects

[@krzysztofmathews738]

Great talk. Thank you!

[@SurockGames]

I love watch arts on pinterest and there are ton of ai pictures now, and even they are good looking with nice render, there are simply no soul, meaning and feelings. All people that drawn by ai are boring, it can not draw complex perspective and add story (even if there is a good promt ai couldnt mix it as well as proffecional artists) That said i think ai could be used in generic ad illustrations, but other then that people will be needed 😊 But i feel now for being an artist you should spend much more time to understand all nuances then it was before. Ai just as junior artist that can render like pro, but people with expirience are more creative

[@bacomancer]

Well said sir

[@moisesbr3987]

One thing is to make art for pleasure and learning, where what matters is the journey, the skill with the medium used and not the result, and another is to do it to serve the industry to make money and live from it, where you have to have quality, speed and compete in price with others, that's where AI comes in, which can make very professional images fast and cheap, something that the industry wants. That is the big problem, apart from plagiarism and data theft to generate images. There is a lot of competition, overcrowding and other precariousness, and AI has finished it all.

[@mariomills]

Well good luck

[@TylerEdlin84]

Thank you

[@flow1194]

dunno if this is a hot take but if using 3d software makes your art more generic you might want to go do the donut tutorial (or whatever equivalent there is for other software). it's a great starting point for learning 3d software.

[@DFMoray]

The… divAIde. Thank you.

[@DanielTejnicky]

Take all of that and put it in to a box called "the client doesnt fkin care about any of that" xD - I talk as a fellow artist. I understand and I see how and why clients choose AI - robbing me of the commisions... starving artist - more real than even for me ...

[@genreartwithjb5095]

There are a lot of useful udiots for this technology on the artist side . “ oh it’s just a tool “ They say. “ oh it’s like photoshop, photoshop creates so many opportunities for illustrators “ they say. Except photoshop didn’t create a lot of new opportunities, it killed page and cover rates and created a race to the bottom for artists on the price point side of things. Just ask Micheal Whelan, a famous Sci fi illustrator from the 80s and 90s. He’ll tell you photoshop took a wrecking ball to the industry and people lost their @@sses. But this point is moot bc it is not even like photoshop. There is no human on either side of the exchange with AI. It’s prompt in, image out. At least with photoshop you are moving your hand over a screen and there is a tactile element to it.

[@Eternal-ReTuning]

I create art because I love the process,. The end result tell the story of this process at a glance, the struggles and the discoveries to over come then to unlock desired results. It expresses ME and the authentic Humanity not an algorithm that lacks SOUL. Ai in art is an automated life sucking and unethical display of greed in the way it has been used so far. Peoples pushing those tools have no respect for the human component forgetting that the accelerated grow of it comes directly from the massive data that Ai has been gathering without consent nor copyright respect. Once Humanity put the value in itself and its authenticity the AI will return to it's proper place and be perceived with more accuracy...

[@Astryca]

I feel like in the worst case scenario, artists will just turn into art directors. I'll still be creating, but the focus will be more in the ideas im trying to express rather than an expression of technical skill and fidelity. AI will get more advanced as the years go by. I'll still double down on my fundamentals and get as good as i can, but i think its important to observe were normal people/ non-artists and businesses find value in art. Keeping an eye on that can help me as a young artist swoop in when the time is right and fit into the creative field one way or another. But to go back to my first point. If i only care about expressing ideas rather than technical skills, why even use AI in the first place?

[@j.2512]

instead of 40 artists now you have 1 art director, the job reality is still an apocalypse

[@Astryca]

@@j.2512 trueeee

[@artunblock9433]

I think technical skills are great anyway, we shouldn't forget about creating the illusion of space and depth in our drawings, I actually enjoy this aspect so much

[@Astryca]

@@artunblock9433 Yeah same! I constantly learn new things that i could never have learnt if i was to learn visual communication just by looking at generated images. And i personally love the novelty of knowing what i look at is a personal expression from one person

[@Astryca]

@@solarydays im literally taking a bachelors in it and assist with indie companies

[@leeh5948]

> People liked AI art - when they thought it was made by humans . But people were bad at assessing whether images were made by artificial intelligence or an artist. It's pretty over for art bros :/ Most people aren't keen with their eyes, and that was why there were tons of teach how to draw with very poor qualties 2 decades ago. Ai generation is much higher quality than those teach art books (the bad ones), so cannot blame people failing to see it.

[@zinzolin14]

Very disappointed that big corps are still trying to replace artists with AI, but at least it's not going well. Now we know which companies and studios value profit over human integrity and ingenuity.

[@leeh5948]

> Nikke reaches $750 million in 1.5 years Wouldn't say it isn't going well.

[@satiready]

I think AI will un intentionally threaten Digital Art & give more value to physically painted art. I have observed people respect me more when I do physical art these days

[@PeterKoperdan]

You use digital tools, even 3D to complete your image. It’s digital output, it’s not an oil painting. The image is OK. People will not care about the source of generic digital images very soon. You would have to create something really impressive or have a very distinct style for people to care about who created the art. The hard to swallow truth is that most digital art is basically OK when compared to the rest of what is being created. Probably 95% of artists are at best OK when it comes to the overall landscape of digital art. There are very very few artists who truly stand out and their are definitely being imitated by other digital artists. If you are a digital artist who is reading this comment, then you are probably the 95% who is OK at best. Inevitably, AI will take your business and sooner than later. You have three options: 1) Become the 5% whose art is the bees knees, or 2) use AI to outcompete the 95% of fellow digital artists and find your place in the emerging AI reality, or 3) do digital art as a hobby and find a different way to make money. There is no way that taking 5 hours to create an OK image is going to be viable. AI workflows will soon allow you to take a high fidelity control of the whole image creation process. A skilled AI artist will do in one hour what you will do in 5 or more, which means that they will easily have 5x the productive output. You can’t compete with that. And BTW the best AI artists will emerge from the pool of existing artists having the same skill, artistic sensibilities, and vision as you. How do you imagine competing with that (unless you are the top 5%)?

[@PaweAdamowicz1981]

You wish 😂 Wait till they grokking them enough. This will make AI grasp the concept, not only different parts. Tip AI discovered grokking few weeks ago.

[@__se7entin__]

AI has been here for a long time, but the only reason why we feel afraid is that it has evolved way beyond our expectations. So we can't be as sure that AI won't become more advanced and become a human. Yes indeed based on your religious opinions you may say "it's impossible" but science-wise it is possible and it has been the main goal and as you see they've reached a goal that we thought was "impossible". I'm a young artist, I don't want to care about AI and I just focus on my own path now, but I cannot and would not say AI can't be human unless I can see a scientific proof for the existence of soul. We may stop it, the same way we can stop any good or bad thing, but that doesn't mean that we can shut it down. some people would make illegal AI models, make them godlike and release them in the darkweb. Only the "impossibility" can shut AI forever.

[@princessthyemis]

The way you talk about and love art makes me less worried!!! Thank you! Human art will always be better than AI and I can't wait for the bubble to burst!

[@OlivioSarikas]

@Tyler Edlin I would love to have a talk in a video with you about AI Art and/or Art as a tool in art. I also have a background in art with a masters degree for the academy of fine arts in vienna.

[@ssr500_]

I'd love to see that. Very few artists are aware of actual capabilities of current AI-image generators. Learning about controlNet would be mind-blowing.

[@antoinenguyen2604]

There is a middle path, between traditional art and ai prompting. But nobody seems to see it...

[@whodis4097]

I think that there are people that do, but no one will find them in either comment sections like these or surface level AI junk. They're at the bottom of the iceberg, and they seem to like it there.

[@Supreme-Emperor-Mittens]

Hey, I incorporate PotoBashing and some 3D Renders in my artwork. I just don't use A.I. because I simply find it boring.

[@Henbot]

What puzzles me with all this AI stuff with artists. I don’t get why the AI users are calling themselves artists ? The AI is the artist and they just behaving like a client or art director. Personally I wouldn’t want an AI as an artist to do the work for me but after I done the work it could review it and then offer any tips or changes and or improvements. I could also see using it for colouring after done all the animating because that can be a pain in the arse.

[@hectorescobar9450]

I believe AI will add more value to real artists that de value them in the long term

[@Houdini_Bob]

all very good points. I think AI imagery could eventually blow up in the face of people who have jumped on the "AI is the it" for creating fast art/concepts hype-bandwagon and then went all in with it only to find out AI was a bunch of hype and results are not that great as expected or promised and result they get might be underwhelming. "well it looked more like I wanted when a real live artist did it" oh, and I like the look of the new Brush Sauce Academy and pricing.

[@Demonskunk]

Hold up. I understand the AI hate, but why are you dunking on 3d?!

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@Demonskunk I wasn’t

[@johnylitalo4163]

Artificial Intelligence always make cheap sloppy artwork & I don't use it.

[@Kongongongg]

Amazing how so many people, adults, “professionals” even talk naive, idealistic nonsense about how bad Ai is. If you 🫵 can’t use new tools on your workflow it’s fine. It’s your problem not people around you.

[@yellowkillSC]

If YOU can’t draw without typing in a prompt and stealing other artists work thats your problem. Don’t talk about being naive when given a paper and pencil you couldn’t even draw a stick figure 😂 especially against a pro 😂😂😂

[@NoFuqinIdea]

This is honestly the same conclusion I came to as to what bothers me about AI images. I wanna see what people can create using nothing but their imagination, their hands and their drawing materials. Skill also plays a very big role in this. Whenever I see AI generated images, there is just nothing there. I really hope we get mandatory tags on social media for it soon because I wanna filter out AI images from my online experience. Sorry, just not interested.