Ash's Charizard Disobedience SOLVED AFTER 20 YEARS!

[@ghekrd1268]

it's because pikachu gets all the attention, Charizard wants to be on ash's shoulder.

[@cosmicfishey347]

It's soooooo big uh oh I think Motomoto likes you

[@dafrozenstephen5851]

Lol ash would die

[@dingleberrybingleton7426]

@@FuntimeExotic r/wooooooooooosh

[@frost6976]

Ash is heck strong tho..he can lift larvitar without breaking a sweat.. but then maybe not charizard lol

[@sats8959]

@@FuntimeExotic r/wooooosh

[@jdemonp]

Charmander evolved so fast by gaining boosted exp. He was technically a traded Pokémon

[@RetroPillowcase]

Came here to say this

[@InktheImpassive]

I mean the Charmander IS a abandoned pokemon so it counts...?

[@JulianGonzalez-ve4tz]

Charmander was released ( burned its original trainers pokeball) so he was wild when Ash caught him

[@mohdhafizidaud6092]

Ash using rare candy and charmeleon doesnt like it

[@JulianGonzalez-ve4tz]

@@chrisclack4258 that makes no sense. Ash tried to catch it in the beginning of the episode but couldnt cuz Damian still owned it. Charmander destroyed the poke ball and then Ash caught him at the end of the episode

[@ramoose5537]

I think Charizard is mad that he ages but Ash doesn't.

[@tayoffbeat]

Shouldn’t ash be like 20?

[@Internet.Mafia.Productions]

nope more like 29

[@bobcatdidi8188]

@@tayoffbeat if you look at the seasons 21-22 in sun & moon

[@tempestindustries9446]

Charizard is having a midlife crisis.

[@estrada16david]

Lel

[@Sethsters]

Makes a lot of sense. Charmeleon was offended that Ash would ask him to throw a battle to a Paras. Charmeleon lost respect for Ash right there. Then he gets zapped by Pikachu and that just pisses him off more. The only battle that I can remember Charizard obeying Ash was the Magmar battle, probably because Charizard felt that Magmar was a worthy challenge. It wasn’t until Charizard got his butt whooped that he realized he wasn’t as strong as he thought he was, and to have Ash stay up with him all night proved to Charizard that Ash wants to compete and win just as much as Charizard does.

[@spittincobragaming8035]

charizard later started obeying ash in johto, when a polywrath froze him and ash saved him.

[@aozorahaou2643]

@@spittincobragaming8035 Orange Islands not Johto

[@Shadothecat]

He still did what he wanted against magmar. Ash only thought that charizard was listening to him.

[@kauemoura]

Thank you for this comment, so I don't have to watch all of the video.

[@SL-cs2vd]

@@kauemoura this explanation is stupid look for another one. If not then watch the video lazy ass

[@finalbomber]

The pokemon league really needs to fire those gym leaders for just giving away badges.

[@wrongbat5511]

That's like, not how it works. The badge is the reward lol.

[@GuntherWenk]

In the original series, some of the badges weren't earned, just given cause Ash did something to save the day.

[@flarefusion8342]

Well a badge symbolises not just winning a battle, but other things like love for pokemon and friendship etc so Ash showed that in another way rather than battling - which is why they thought he was competent enough to get it

[@onijester56]

Even if we accept that the gym leader is a typical paid position and not a representation of one's skill and power as a trainer, note how Ash earns his various badges. Boulder Badge: He wins the fight, hitting Onix with a "Surf" from a mildly over-leveled Pikachu. Cascade Badge: He holds his own in the fight, is in a winning position, and still has the type-advantage Pokemon (Pikachu, who has the type advantage and is still over-leveled) left when Team Rocket interrupts. Admittedly this is against Misty, but we do see Brock select a smaller and arguably weaker team (only 2 Pokemon, one being a goddamn Geodude) to test out the new trainer so Misty is an appropriate challenge for Ash. Thunder Badge: Even with Raichu's base speed being higher than Pikachu's, IV's and EV's and Nature can potentially allow Ash's Pikachu to be faster than Surge's Raichu. This is a legitimate victory for Ash. Rainbow Badge: It's a standard back-and-forth, but Ash does have the type-advantage with Charmander and is winning when Team Rocket attacks. As with the Cascade badge, if Team Rocket didn't interrupt then Ash would have won this legitimately. At this point, there is a trend that when Ash is winning in terms of actually battling as a trainer, Team Rocket attacks. Ash and the Gym Leader defeat Team Rocket, and while their Pokemon are exhausted since Ash is winning and has turned the momentum of the battle in his favor Ash is declared the winner. One might question the validity of these "victories" since "When I was PLAYING THE GAMES, I literally HAD TO defeat EVERY Pokemon in the leader's party! Why does Snot-nose get to do less work and yet earn the same credit I do?" The Soul Badge is my rebuttal. As Ash gains momentum in the fight, defeating Koga's Pokemon, Team Rocket attacks. They deal with Team Rocket and continue the fight which Ash then goes on to win. Legitimately win, even though Koga did less to stop Team Rocket than Ash did and thus Ash had less PP and HP at his disposal than Koga did. Volcano Badge: Clutch victory with Charizard. But it was still a legitimate win, as in the games it would count as a win. Out of the six mentioned badges, Ash faces the Gym Leader 5 times. Four are legitimate wins, even if they wouldn't be easy wins in the game. And the fifth Gym Leader as well as the Replacement Gym Leader for that battle are losing AND face Ash's type advantage which they wouldn't likely be able to recover from in-game. ----- The only times he doesn't face the gym leader him/herself are against the Cerulean Sisters and Giovanni. And the only time he is actually flat-out explicitly losing a Kanto gym battle that nets him the badge is against Sabrina...who used psychic powers to give herself an advantage. Ash may not have developed as a character, may not have improved as a trainer, may have every aspect about him reset every time he goes to a new location, but in Kanto at least he did prove himself a viable and respectable trainer who earned the majority of his victories and the gym badges representing some of those victories.

[@user-crane]

in Gen 2 the last Gym Leader (i forgot her name) doesn't give you the badge because you're "not worthy" and you have to do some small puzzles to get the badge

[@HexSableye]

Misty even says in an episode ash didnt earn certain badges, they were given to him because they felt sorry for him.

[@alphabladelm2011]

She wasn't entirely wrong.

[@ganoninthepit]

Misty can't say anything when he was given her badge lmao Ash was also beating Misty when they got interrupted, she got off lucky.

[@donellebullock7404]

Keep in mind Misty is know for down-playing any of Ash's feats and tries to make herself look better than she was.

[@Jadestone-kw9xu]

patrick becker true she did say that. I think it was after Misty's sisters gave Ash the Cascade badge.

[@HexSableye]

ganoninthepit but misty didn't give him the badge. Her sister did.

[@ranielflores2529]

he freakin didn't respect ash because charmeleon was very proud but ash made it lose to a freakin paras

[@punchandtell]

lmao

[@theeternalslayer]

That's the simple answer

[@derrickmcdowell8824]

MEL E ON !!

[@rjayp5843]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pixelateentertainment5233]

Raniel Flores it made it lose to an incineroar

[@AsobiMedio]

Charizard was a premature evolver so when he did evolve he got really cocky about it because of how fast it happened, until he met another charizard and noticed the size difference.

[@frankchen4229]

what? No. His cockiness mellowed out upon battling a poliwrath.

[@madrazz8888]

Half the badges Ash "earns", he gets from the gym leaders by helping them save Pokémon, defeat some enemy or Team Rocket, not actually by beating the gym leader. No wonder he fails at the League. Even Mewtwo says Ash is bad trainer to his face.

[@SL-cs2vd]

Yeah but Mewtwo didnt say that to Red. Means Red>Ash, Kids these days still compare them. Also I think whenever Ash is in different Region or different Game like X Y Black White Diamond Pearl. I still think its better to make the protagonist of the game itself to the anime. They just do ash shits. I recommend to do Red Blue with Red, Black White with Hilbert, Ruby Sapphire for Brendan. That would be cool af

[@ok-ki9ml]

@@SL-cs2vd Pokemon Origins - Red Pokemon Chronicles (I thinketh) Gold

[@SL-cs2vd]

@@ok-ki9ml yeh. I expect more of that, like ruby as brendan and so on

[@ashsusjsjekwek8282]

He failed the Top 16 because of Charizard, plus Bulbasaur didn't even get ko, he fell asleep, he probably would've won the Pokemon League.

[@HelloHello-im3gt]

Computer [Anything] or just adapt the manga

[@nerdy_trucker7834]

I think you're right about it falling apart upon Charmeleon's first battle. Ash: Go easy on it Charmeleon: I'm not losing to a f***ing Paris

[@jedediahgordon4064]

Ash: ILL MAKE YOU LOOSE TO A METAPOD NOW LAY THE FUCK DOWN!! lol

[@wastelandlegocheem]

Charmeleon: *evolves* Ash: Lose to a useless paras Charmeleon: Am I a joke to you?

[@clownfish92]

ayoo

[@itsyourboycj8648]

Ash:go easy on it Charmeleon:really bruh you Gon make me lose to a bug

[@BowserPowerPlush]

Charizard doesn't obey Ash because he doesn't have all 10 Kanto League badges.

[@BrazenBro]

BowserPower because ash is trash Edit: thanks for the likes everyone. If only I had videos with this much likes hahaha.

[@ChrisPFries-kz5vf]

Lol gary

[@persephonescharmvlog5842]

floyd watt right? Always thought wtf ash is a cheater.

[@Mycroft616]

Fifteen. There are 15 known Indigo League Certified Gyms. Gary won 10 badges, sharing only the Pewter, Cascade, and Rainbow Badges with Ash; remember, he lost at Viridian Gym. His other seven came from unknown gyms. Even if we broach the argument that gyms may have different variants on their badges - which is questionable due to the identical Badges - that still raises the number to 11 Official Indigo League Gyms.

[@spitfire126]

even with the knowledge of 15 gyms ( approx 8 unknown), it states you only need 8 badges to enter the league .... Gary was freaking showing off by getting 2 extra DX

[@TheOtherSideOfAlice]

Considering this from a human aspect. When someone is abused they can become great person or just as an abusive person. So when he leveled up he felt something he never felt before,strength and power and he used it to make everyone feel weaked lke his old trainer made him feel

[@kNiggz]

Deep

[@noellimon45]

Ash never had much experience as a trainer because he didn't train his Pokemon to ready them for gyms. That's probably why his charmeleon was disobedient, that he was not properly trained, so a few battles with it, and it suddenly evolves, making think it's stronger to make it's own decisions.

[@eterologicalgamer6118]

LegendInTraining ER Thrower But if we talk about now. Heeeess. He's uhhhh. He does better?

[@noellimon45]

Eterological Gamer yes, when he started doing better when he began to train them.

[@Ninetails2000]

Mewtwo even said this point-blank to Charizard in the movie. He's a strong pokemon, but very poorly trained.

[@heatherbiggs7428]

LegendInTraining ER Thrower It's not Ash's fault that Charizard is so stubborn, When it was a Charnander,it's original Trainer, A Jerk named Damien abandoned it!!

[@articusramos808]

Heather Biggs well look at the guy now, Charizard listens to Ash, while giving an affectionate flamethrower and can hold his own relatively well.

[@pokemonmanyou4239]

Ash sucked as a pokemon trainer back then. That's why charizard didn't listen to Ash. Ash didn't train his pokemon properly.

[@alphabladelm2011]

His lack of serious training and undeserved badges proved he wasn't able to earn Charizard's respect. Plus, that part where he asked Charmeleon to lose on purpose to Paras did him no favors. Charmeleon was more aggressive and probably wanted a good fight, so sending it out against a Paras probably made him lose faith in Ash, to say nothing about being ordered to lose or hold back (two things Charmeleon hated).

[@theboystout]

pokemon man no man. Come on his strongest attack was " try harder" or did you forget " tackle but harder".. those are some overpowered moves. What are legendaries in front of the power of friendship

[@alphabladelm2011]

Still Legendaries.

[@darkalpha2770]

+alphabladelm2011 ash told the girl at the Pokemon school in kanto that he didn't want to train his Pokemon

[@alphabladelm2011]

Really? I don't remember that. Then again, it's been ages since I watched the Indigo League. But if Ash wanted to be a Pokémon Master, how did he plan to make his dream come true without serious training?

[@foehammere4192]

on regular note that charmander was a traded Pokemon which explains the disobedience factor, also traded Pokemon get double xp so it WAS OVER LEVELED, also it evolved really fast due to the constant double xp so what ever exp it got between those episodes were all doubled.

[@gamesmasher1489]

1.5x not 2x

[@SSJRadioBluth]

gamesmacher squirtle required mad b mashing. Bulbasaur has that young everstone.

[@Roninkinx]

Thats until brock "Breeds" that bulbasaur

[@Roninkinx]

Thats until brock "Breeds" that bulbasaur

[@Dj187L34N]

FoeHammer E419 this is the real answer

[@Thorerthedwarf]

I solved it. Its a cartoon

[@LordZoth6292]

Why did you click this video if you've got this view on the subject?

[@Thorerthedwarf]

@@LordZoth6292 I thought this was America

[@richardcharles1935]

Dude, you knew he didn't listen to ash because it's a cartoon and didn't tell anyone till now? =O

[@dbdb5347]

Well I'm watching in Aus so you're still a joy kill prick here fella 😉

[@ayaanhussain7548]

rpitts1986 YES

[@gooderzombkat8825]

Dont know if anyone brought this up... consider that charmander wasnt originally ash's.. boosted exp?

[@HUMC4L]

That was literally in the video lol

[@makingcoffee5816]

@@HUMC4L Didn't mention boosted xp tho

[@RetroPillowcase]

Came here to say this, the eggecutor exp needs to be boosted by 50% so that would definitely bring it up higher.

[@martdeleon5918]

Yep trade boosts exp

[@janeethapa8730]

lol as in game trade boost........exp

[@llo100]

Maybe Ash pressed always B, while it was evolving and it is then already over lvl 70

[@vas2448]

or he gave it an everstone so it breeds a better that's why he hates ash

[@bangbang7519]

Lol

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

or charmander former trainer, charmander didn't evolve, until he found ash, when he evolved to charmaleon he was already strong enough to be a charizard

[@jacobhernandez1938]

Boulder Badge: Didnt even defeat Brock. Brock handed it to him. Cerulean Badge: Rewarded it to him by Misty's sisters from defeating Team Rocket Thunder Badge: 👍 Marsh Badge: Given to him by making the gym leader laugh....???... Rainbow badge: Rewarded to him by saving the gym leaders gym Soul Badge: 👍 Volcano badge: 👍 Earth Badge: Beating team rocket...not the gym leader

[@Gamebuilder2000]

Jacob Hernandez Yes But the Owner of the Gym(Who By the way is the leader of Team Rocket) Gave the Position of gym leader to then temporarily

[@xhaled5488]

Gamebuilder2000 but Jesse and James are noobs and Giovanni is way better trainer

[@Gamebuilder2000]

Xhale D they were still the Gym leaders

[@sujaykumardam8137]

So, that means Ash WON only 3 badges

[@karthiksubramanian5197]

Cascadebadge would have been a walk in the park for ash had Pikachu listened to him.Pikachu simply refused to do so as Misty was a gd friend of Pikachu.

[@caden903]

Ash: Come on Charmelion Charmelion: You're not dad

[@Hoody420Thuggin]

Misty even called Ash out for not really earing his badges

[@ganoninthepit]

Misty wasn't even that great herself, back then. Seriously, go back and watch her record, it's terrible. She got her ass beat by Giselle and Ash beat her, less than ten episodes in. Most of her wins are against Team Rocket.

[@benzelwasington4059]

It was because pikachu refused to battle her Thats all

[@Beltzer0072]

I think it goes even deeper than that. I think the number one reason Charmeleon decided not to obey Ash anymore is because Ash kept getting rid of his Pokemon. Think about it, by the time Charmander evolves, Ash has already gotten rid of or parted ways with at least three Pokemon, Butterfree, Haunter and Primape. With Butterfree, Ash traded it away, worked so hard to get it back, only to give him up again. You could argue that Ash explained to the others that Butterfree wanted to go yet why try so hard to get a Pokemon back when you'll just give it away again just like that? Next was Haunter. Ash didn't even try to catch Haunter fair and square. Since everything has been pretty much handed to Ash minus the Thunder Badge, he just assumed Haunter would come with him and he didn't work to catch him as a real trainer should. And then when he has a badge just given away to him, again, he STILL doesn't catch him and just leaves without even trying. I think what planted the seed in Charmander though was Ash giving away Primape. Think about it, Charmander worked extremely hard for Ash so he could catch Primape. True, Ash used other Pokemon to help catch Primape but Charmander did alot of and most of the work and was probably very proud he helped Ash catch such a strong Pokemon. Then Ash just gives Primape away to some stranger he just met. Charmander probably then thought all that hard work to catch Primape was for nothing. Once we get to Paras though, Ash finally breaks the straw over the camel's back and tells Charmeleon who's now even more powerful and prideful to purposely lose to a weakling Paras, making Charmeleon believe Ash thinks it's worthless and not even worth his time. Had Ash actually tried to keep Primape and vowed to train it harder than that Hitmonchan trainer could and told Charmeleon to give Paras a good fight, I believe Charizard would have DEFINITELY respected Ash and would have been more than happy to help him win the Indigo League.

[@nice00017]

This is the most informative comment I have ever read ❤😊

[@TVkingOmega]

Im going to clarify everything you just said now: Ash specifically said in the dub he would tell the other Pokémon Butterfree is on a long trip. They would have an understanding that Buttefree left of his own volition and ash did not throw him away. Haunter was never a real capture, he intended to only use it to beat Sabrina, he did, and he chose to stay with her. You can’t get rid of something that never wanted to be yours to start with. I have a theory regarding Primeape in that Anthony basically scammed Ash out of him because he was ashamed that his Hitmonchan would be sabotaged so easily and so he saw an easy target to put himself back on top. Ash made a problem worse by giving Anthony his Primeape because now he will spend even LESS time with his daughter. But I think you’re also forgetting one crucial Pokémon: Muk. A Pokémon Ash only bothered to catch as an emergency and never bothered to use outside of emergencies because he himself said the Pokémon smells just that bad. True he still owns Muk, but it’s really more Oak’s Pokémon than his honestly. His dumb luck in catching 30 Tauros he never really uses didn’t help this either. Keep in mind that in Red and Blue and Green? You only have a 1% encounter chance with Tauros. I feel Charmander being pressured having fought off an entire forest of Exeggutor? By himself? He gained a swelled head and felt he was far too good for Ash or any other battle after that. And I believe as much.

[@kenja0685]

Brock gives him his badge, after Ash had lost and went through a rematch that didn't even end in a full legit win. Misty's badge was given to Ash by his sister, and the match was never concluded. Lt Surge's badge was a rematch win. Legitimate, but was from a rematch. Erika's badge was given out for saving the gym he was responsible for burning. Sabrina's badge was given to him during a rematch after he made her laugh. Koga, he earned it first try. Blaine he got it via a rematch win. Legitimate, but used the Pokemon he needed to control. Why would it listen for something? Earth badge was achieved not even by the Gym leader. Overall, Ash earned 1 badge legitimately on his first try in gen 1. 4 rematch wins (not all of them even legitimate finishes). 3 matches that didn't end legitimately. Would you respect him as a trainer?

[@joniahonen8039]

You have a very good point!

[@alberca90]

Rematches have nothing to do with it, how many trainers in the series could actually beat every gym leader on their first try? Rematches against gym leaders are likely very common in the world of pokemon

[@timmothythecuriouschangeli6345]

1 rule, beat the gym leader in battle to earn the badge. Turns out that single rule is hard to follow in the anime!

[@theosw6961]

I definitely wouldn’t

[@lychanking]

And why is it that you HAVE to beat someone in a actual fight to win a badge? Why wouldn't they have some non fighting badges. Badges are meant to show your skill, skill isn't always who has the biggest baddest pokemon. Sometimes it's someone who uses their intelligence to win(not ash of course, he's an idiot).

[@xx_squirtle8621]

I solved it. Puberty

[@phantomgaming6413]

You smart 😑😑😉

[@shhsjszu]

300IQ sqirtle boi 😂😂😂

[@blue-bi5gu]

Epic!

[@Dino-lemon265]

So wrong

[@mbCardsfan]

It all made sense anyways. We all didn't want to believe it, but Ash was mediocre in Kanto. No doubt about it, but Charizard did make up for it later on in the show.

[@theogrobbythedragon]

Matt Beye mediocre is putting it mildly. Lol

[@yvonnedonohoe9557]

Matt Beye that charizard was badass in unova

[@mujiescomedy279]

RobbytheDragon he was always mediocre

[@ishaan6426]

Mediocre lol he was worst

[@ookwormbay7]

Am I the only one who assumed charizard not obeying was because the anime just did not work on the same logic as the game? Just like the many other ridiculous things that happened in the first season of the anime?

[@RocketTwurpSLR]

ookwormbay7 i know, but it makes you think thier must be a method in the madness.

[@zerokura]

RocketTwurpSLR yes and thats because This is KANTO!!!*300 music plays&oak kicking a cafairy into a pit*

[@RocketTwurpSLR]

lol

[@donellebullock7404]

Yeah, i mean the show runs on biology rather than numbers. If Pok'eMoN was accurate, Electric would be the most effective typing their is.

[@Jadestone-kw9xu]

ookwormbay7 I actually kinda thought that because of the fact that Pikachu's gets ill every region and some how resets it's level.

[@galeontiger]

ash's charmander was also considered a "traded" pokemon so it gains EXP quicker

[@aqwkingchampion13]

I looked it up, and Ash only truly earned 3 badges in Kanto. In Kanto, the 3rd badge has no effect on obedience, but the second does. If Charmander was already close to evolving into Charizard when he evolved into Charmeleon, then he must have been near, at, or over level 36. The second badge in Kanto only allows obedience up to level 30. And if that's how it worked, then Brock and Misty are both at least partially to blame for Charmeleon and Charizard being disobedient to Ash. With their badges truly earned, Charizard would have obeyed up to level 50. And I didn't catch if you included this in your calculations, but pokemon from other trainers gain more experience per battle than those you caught yourself. That means it was growing stronger faster than any other pokemon Ash had as well.

[@CynderSpirit]

In the game the only Pokemon who stop listening to you are usually ones who were traded or given away by somebody else and it's known that they level up faster once you obtain them and start using them, if you don't have enough badges by the time they reach a certain level the Pokemon will eventually stop obeying you. The reason Charizard stopped obeying Ash was because one he was not Ash's to begin with and because Ash used him a lot he leveled up quicker, and finally Ash did not earn most of his badges in the Kanto region. You will notice that once Ash started competing in the Orange Islands each time Ash won a badge Charizard started obeying more and more and in return finally receiving Charizard's trust.

[@shabibmahab]

CynderSpirit Dragon oh shit yeah. Traded pokemon level up wayyyy faster

[@tacostastegood3720]

And.. why are you commenting exactly what he says in the video?

[@johndorian4078]

or maybe charzard just didnt like him.........really just as simple as that. Think pokemon give a shit about badges? does your dog care if you g et an award at work.

[@connormosteller8188]

Ash didn't really earn most of his badges

[@ashsusjsjekwek8282]

Yet he made it into the the Top 16 (would have made it into the Top 8 but thanks to Charizard it didn't happen)

[@connormosteller8188]

@@ashsusjsjekwek8282 dumb luck

[@seasoned8273]

Probably a lot of trainers did too tho most of them just give them away

[@glacierhit4103]

Thats why he lost almost all pokemon leagues, he cheated his way through badges.Maybe it is the message anime is trying to send

[@NiteHuntRick]

Yes he has. Ash was always so close to winning until being interrupted by Team Rocket. And Sabrina technically cheated too. Ash technically won against Brock too

[@robbie8407]

or maybe just maybe (lol wall of text below woops) Charmeleon stopped obeying Ash because Ash was inexperienced as a trainer (Not just badges) to the point Charmeleon was sick of getting his ass beat because Ash doesn't know how to battle. Over time the resentment for Ash built up to the point where even when Ash became a GOOD (Read: Decent) trainer, Charizard still had no respect for Ash regardless of what badges he owned. Friendship is a stat in the game, but as well as a real thing in our day to day lives. If you're a football player and your coach is constantly calling the wrong plays and costing your team the game, eventually you're going to lose faith in his ability to make the calls so you're going to start doing it instead. The egos of the coach and player clash. The coach being Ash and the player being Charizard. Ash thinks since he's the coach (Trainer) the player (Charizard) should trust him unconditionally and listen to his every command, but if the player (Charizard) thinks the Coach is an idiot he's not going to try to win at all. I think the reason Charizard just sat around most of the time instead of trying to fight was not only to show Ash that he doesn't respect him but also the enemy Trainer (In the show at least) and his pokemon aren't usually going to just attack a charizard who's loafing around not taking the battle seriously, so it's less likely of him getting hurt or exerting any kind of effort. Ash gets frustrated, calls Charizard back and Charizard can go back to chilling in his ball.

[@kunaikilla]

snowboon yo i remember ash always used the wrong type to fight. Like opposite super effective. But i thought he did it to make his pokemon stronger maybe he was just stupid after all.

[@imo098765]

Something else that kinda makes sense too. Ash rescued Charmander when it was weak and needed protecting, then after defeating 50-100 Exeggutors Charmeleon feels powerful and can now protect itself. Then when Ash shows weakness in the Paras battle Charmeleon now feels superior to Ash and the this superiority is amplified when evolving to Charizard. Then after Charizard got its ass-whipped saw that he still needs Ash to protect him and a good relationship between them benefits both

[@420RittzBish]

I think its deeper. Char had no respect for both ash and himself. He was trashed for being too weak and figured ash would do the same. He saw ash as immature and inexperienced. Once ash not only prove himself as a trainer, but he stuck beside char and nursed him back from death, which with chars mindset would be seen as the ultimate failure, thus truly earning chars respect. He likely expected ash to just abandon him like damian did.

[@nightshroud9671]

I am surprised that Charizard isn't at least pissed at Ash for that disaster of a battle with Dusclops honestly

[@taymmartin6427]

snowboon yup

[@CALIEN7K]

You deserve an award for saying something so simple in such a complicated way.

[@solhernon6477]

Didn't earn boulder badge either, Brocks dad have it to him after he forfeited the match

[@darthreaper6311]

Sol Hernon It was brock who gave it to Ash not Brock's dad

[@tracytron7162]

He mentioned him idiot

[@Psychicduelistrbd]

game mechanics don't apply to the anime

[@antiheartless45]

PokePony well pokemon level is mention i remember in the hoenn league when ash used charzard against blazkin the opposing trainer noticed Charzard was a high level pokemon

[@ganoninthepit]

Ash pretty much won by a fluke, but it was iffy. But he's earned every badge since Kanto so it's irrelevant

[@MrObbymage]

"Ash just ran into a burning building" -verlis2017

[@viciouscreate]

In the anime, badges doesn't necessarily prove you're experience, if you watch the episode "The Path to the Pokemon League". Ash had came across an unofficial gym, with the leader known as A.J (Akira in the Japanese version) and his main pokemon is a sandshrew. When A.J. defeated Ash, that was 100 wins for A.J. against other trainers. Sandshrew was way overpowered and it seems A.J. has never challanged a GYM, because he wanted to win 100 battles first. A.J.'s Sandshrew was level 24, and without a badge, his sandshrew should have disobeyed him for not having a single badge with a level over 15. A.J. is simply a strong will and have high experience and knowledge of his pokemon. Going back to Charmander, he was abuse and abandon by someone that valued Power, and joined Ash after that. After Charmander evolved, he valued his own Power over Ash, because that's what he had learned from his trainer before Ash. Like it says in the theme song "You teach me and I teach you." Valuing Power is what Charmander has learned from Damon. The time Charizard loss, he could not value his own Power anymore. As Ash was nursing Charizard, Charizard reminisce of the times he spent with Ash. Realizing the care & kindness that Ash has always shown him, also the times that Ash has battled with Charizard against strong opponents, accepting that teamwork was results of winning tough battles.

[@Verlisify]

Sanshrew was AJ's though. A Pokemon can be any level without a badge and obedient of obtained by the original trainer

[@viciouscreate]

Verlisify you just verified part of my point. If you go back to when Ash caught Mankey, it evolved to Primate and Primate didn't obey Ash, because of Primate tempered personality. Ash's Infernape disobeyed during blaze ability. If you study many of Ash's pokemon that was obedient, and later disobeyed him, it was for reasons that pokemon consider important. Pikachu has shown and expressed that pokemon still have their own freedom of choice/free-will. When Ash's pokemon has disobeyed to protect someone else or another pokemon, and the times that his pokemon chose to leave Ash. The other point is, the pokemon game rules doesnt apply to the Anime/Manga.

[@dimitri-petrenko]

Darkstreme Your explainations are probably the most logical, even if you look at Team Rocket when their Koffing and Ekans evolve because of emotion. The anime is far off compared to the games anyway.

[@denickart]

Anime or games badges only apply to trainers registered to compete in the pokemon league. Otherwise the pokemon owned by gym leaders and random trainers that challenge you wouldn't listen to them

[@WittingStudios]

Contradiction much.

[@j.t.molina7223]

Heres the answer: in the series, experience level and number of badges is different. That's why Pikachu listens every season except the first episode despite no official level reset between seasons. Char respects Pikachu who respects Ash

[@Broockle]

eh, Pokemon Logic needs no explanation... it's like learning Yugioh from Yugi. Totally different game...

[@strawberrydeathcake1635]

Broockle Good point, but this has also bugged me for a long time and it kinda makes some sense

[@josephleamer7379]

The original yugioh was like what yugi played

[@zerona]

Broockle Now that my third turn has passed my swords of revealing light disappear and with it the floatation ring it was holding up on your castle fortress causing it to fall taking your monster and your lp with it this duel is over -yami Yugi vs bandit Keith duelist kingdom 🤨like whatttttt

[@gohancarr3595]

Broockle what the heck

[@gohancarr3595]

Owoskksksks

[@Antasma1]

I wouldn't use game logic, but it started to make sense later on

[@permartinfolde2667]

Doesn't it get even more exp because it wasn't his at first..

[@sofiacalado8836]

Still not enough to get to level 70. Maybe 40 but not higher

[@curseofgladstone4981]

Cofagrigus Games. Dont forget being level 70 would make it champion level

[@TheCarbonMirror]

it was released and then caught by ash not traded. it would not receive the boost.

[@leefox5596]

I just said that then seen your comment -.-

[@TLAF923]

I thought it was because ash didn’t earn half of the Kanto badges. Specifically he only earned the thunder, soul, volcano, and earth badge. At the point where he evolved into charmeleon he only earned thunder and soul. If the badges add the limit by 20 lvls after every 2 badges, charmander would have to evolve at lvl 21 bare minimum.

[@exiaR2x78]

After I played the games thats how I took it too. He only actually earned 4 of the Kanto badges and ircc Misty points it out in the series

[@jianlofi]

Can't we just say that Charizard disobeyed because the creators want to make it a longer series?

[@pocketfulofsunshine1692]

Little Zen yup

[@MihaelLawliet01]

Or they just wanted some conflict within the group with Ash and his Pokemon.

[@micahltaylor739]

Kasper Kleine Tank well they fix it in the newest Pokemon movie

[@aestourus.c4593]

I guess so...

[@johnmonbeck72]

No. We don't talk about what the writer wanted. We think about what he wanted us to think by creating the story for us.

[@gengaartist19]

In the Pokemon Manga, the badges have many ranges of abilities bthey enhance or grant. For example, Brock's badge gives your Pokemon team additional strengthen in battle.

[@rjienrlwey]

Genga Artist Same thing in the games (prior to DPPt). The only one I can remember off the top of my head is Blaine's badge raising your Special

[@fsl1323]

wat.

[@gengaartist19]

Akemi Dareki Now that you mentioned it. I remember that!

[@IsraelYoungLion]

Genga Artist the pokemon manga makes soo much sense

[@trueredpanda1538]

Same inn the games, kind off a "secret" but Daimond/Pearl/Platinum mentions it. It's the same inn all the games, think gen 1. Also did mention it if you asked a guy inn cerulian. You can ask about each bag and what they do basicly.

[@handsomejack3444]

Ash didn't earn any of his badges. For instance when Brock saw ash was using a pikachu to fight a ground Pokemon he must have thought he was retarded , so he had onyx fake it's defeat.

[@thekushjedi]

I agree except with the thunder badge. Pikachu beat that Raichu

[@qwaken4145]

ONYX HATES WATER IDIOT

[@hanabishaven]

Pikachu is not water Pokémon. And the sprinklers are not Ash's Pokémon. The sprinklers shoulda earned the badge.

[@tamrix]

To give Ash some credit, he is only 10 years old

[@asianpersuasion4901]

the better question is, why does electrcity not affect onix? its actually a rock type and that means electric types are normal effective

[@LordZoth6292]

What is up with all these people saying you "Did too much" or "it's just a cartoon who cares?" Why did any of you even watch this? Great video bud and great insight.

[@sunilpermaul7876]

"You know what grinds my gears?" Literally saw Peter Griffin in my head. Every time. Always

[@stephens1256]

But Verlis! Ash never earned the Boulder Badge too! He never beat Brock

[@alphabladelm2011]

My guess is he only earned 2/8 badges (Thunder Badge and Soul Badge). Most were from stopping Team Rocket like you mentioned or from some coincidence. But there are two more badges that are questionable: 1. The Volcano Badge. Sure, Ash beat Blaine in a rematch between Charizard and Magmar, but that only happened when Charizard saw Magmar as a worthy opponent. Even though Charizard beat Magmar, he went back to roasting Ash in future episodes. Plus, Charizard's actions in the battle might have been him humoring Ash's commands or just coincidentally lining up with those decisions. 2. The Earth Badge. Ash never fought Giovanni then, let alone beat him. He would've been slaughtered if he faced Mewtwo. Instead, he fought Team Rocket. No way beating them is worth an 8th Gym Badge, even with Gym Pokémon.

[@jamesdinius7769]

Fair enough, but I don't think anyone could've won there, not at that point anyway. How do you consider a gym with a mewtwo that is far stronger than anything in the games fair in the first place??? Also, this brings up an interesting point, how on earth did anyone get to the indigo league with the earth badge being so unobtainable?

[@alphabladelm2011]

Remember how Gary had 10 badges and how some of them didn't match Ash's? Well, that briefly implied there were other Pokémon Gyms in Kanto. Other trainers could've gone to those gyms to get their badges. Though there's no guarantee those gyms would pose a significant challenge...

[@dragonfirezero587]

The Earth Badge was the one with Mewtwo... The Boulder Badge was the on with Brock. Ash didn't earn half of his Kanto badges with a gym battle....

[@AndreLink91]

he would have won if not for those stupid kids

[@WeL0veTechno]

maybe it's just a metaphore on the struggle kids will have going trough puberty, like charizard his body has transformed in not much time. from an obedient and happy loving charmender(child), he evolved into an norse unobedient charmeleon (teenager) to a 'i know it all and can handle the word on my own' form like charizard (adult) until he finaly grows up to know he has still got lots to learn and it's better to listen than to fight the system :)

[@vsqshok]

i stopped caring about anything in pokemon (anime) ever since i saw pikachu defeating onix with an electric attack. if that is ok in the anime then EVERYTHING IS OK. shit i wouldn't be surprised if at some point they did an episode where ash is able to defeat the elite four only with a caterpie because the caterpie have a lot of willpower and the strength of friendship.

[@KallusGarnet]

seems legit

[@krymsun3134]

well the fire alarm did went off and onyx got soaked, which weakened it. "Water conducts electricity"

[@MacNKoB3]

You can still attack rock w electric moves, ground moves are unaffected

[@KallusGarnet]

@@krymsun3134 well actually earth is weak against electricity since earth is not an insulating material but a conductor of electricity.

[@pan.nanana3044]

Like Natsu and Erza from Fairy Tail

[@NoobKreeper]

But PROTO!!! oh wait wrong channel...

[@viviisthebest]

NoobKreeper XD

[@thetorchlight1985]

NoobKreeper i made a game theory joke

[@tracytron7162]

LMFAO I ACTUALLY LAUGHED OUT LOUD FROM THAT

[@FlipinFlopper]

Haha

[@kirkm6602]

Well played

[@TheCarterMinecartTCM]

I just want to point out that if you collect the badges out of order in most pokemon games, then you gain the perks of that badge and the game acts as if you have the other badges. Aka, if you have badge 8, but you don't have badges 1-7, all pokemon still obey you. You just can't use the other HM moves, since those do actually rely on the badges being present. As long as Ash earned his last badge, it should still obey him

[@skizz0phrenia270]

You're not wrong, but this argument falls apart when you take a moment to separate gameplay elements from story elements. Is Brock a respected Gym Leader in the Indigo League due to the fact he has a level 10 Geodude and level 12 Onix, or did Brock simply use his low level Geodude and Onix against the ten year old with zero badges who wandered into Pewter a quarter of an hour after receiving his first pokemon? I would wager the latter is correct, especially since I don't envision every pokemon trainer in Kanto marching all the way from, say Fuschia or Saffron, to Pewter just to try to earn their first badge. This is further supported in Origins - Brock is looking at a set of six pokeballs and asks Red how many badges he already has. Red responds that he doesn't even have one, and Brock presses a button which switches the six pokeballs out with a set of two and Brock states "In that case, I just need these two."

[@godknightomega]

To this day I still find it funny that out of all Ash's Poke'mon that got separated during the giant poke'mon island episode Bulbasaur was the one who thought Ash may have abandoned them. Charmander was bothered by the thought too but still Bulbasaur seem to have the lowest opinion of Ash overall.

[@jamesdinius7769]

That's just because Bulbasaur had a low opinion of all humans, not just Ash specifically. He had a bad experience with people n the past.

[@979114987]

Bulbasaur took care of many abused Pokemon. Charmander was abandoned once and it took until he bonded with Ash for Charmander to understand that it was abandoned by it's former trainer.

[@reneerodriguez7368]

I love love LOVE that episode. Best episode EVAR 😀💓

[@GnarledStaff]

Bulbasaur also gets called out to save everyones asses with his vines whenever anything needs doing that the humans are too weak for

[@benzelwasington4059]

Guess the Writers needed a reson to keep ash from winning to fast I mean look at that way with a charizard like that he would be a Master in No time if you take a look in the new movie charizard fully listens to him after evoling And is strong as hell beating the final evolution of litten

[@Cybertechwerewolf]

Man, most of Ash's Indigo badges weren't earned 😂 not even the Boulder Badge

[@lizzle13a]

i was waiting the whole time for him to mention that ash didnt actually earn his badges. thats been obvious to me for years.

[@pokeplayerHQ]

We can also conclude that Ash didn't win Pryce's badge in Johto. He was like "I forfeit! My Pokemon has had enough." Not to mention Whitney. I mean, sure, Ash beat Miltank, but that's all he fought to win it. He didn't beat ALL of Whitney's Pokemon. Just her strongest. At this point, it's shocking he made it as far as he did in the Johto League, much less the Indigo League. In truth, he didn't start winning ALL the badges of the region until Hoenn. Early Ash is quite surprising when you get down to it.

[@hahaitrolledyou7408]

Pryce forfeited since Ash would repeat his strategy until piloswine was defeated and Whitney's other 2 pokes were useless in their first battle

[@jamesdinius7769]

Hey, if you can force a gym leader to forfeit that seems like a win to me (just a lame one). Also, do you not remember the terror that that miltank inspires x)

[@ganoninthepit]

"I forgeit! My pokemon has had enough" sounds like a defeat to me.

[@eyeaye7735]

when i first went against Whitney her pokemon were trash. then miltank came out....... my pokemon were trash.

[@sagil7099]

pokeplayerHQ One word: Wrong

[@chrisandjessaltman2263]

Ash's charizard is my favorite in the series. His demeanor and personality just get me. He's definitely something else.

[@Retro130]

ash had no idea what pokemon even were until he found the omnitrix

[@MistyMountainPath]

I see it now as a major plot point that ash was not a conventional trainer, giving us a glimpse of what life might actually feel like in the Pokemon universe rather than dominating it in the way we did when it was our own story within the games. They told us a good story with lessons, getting creative with specific elements of the game rather than copy-&-pasting for familiarity & recognition from we who played the games

[@WiiCloud]

I never imagined KZbin will be the best place for Pokemon Trainers and Critiques around the world to talk and debate about pokemons and theories.

[@guillermoolivaiii9550]

This is true and this deserves a like! Also, thank you for sharing this information that solves Charizard disrespect Ash's command. Moreover, Ash is very weak and does not grow up a lot by adventuring alone out there, although it is not too bad for Ash to have friends around, he just did not put a lot of effort to his action and thought. Above all, the only strongest point of Ash is that he cares for his Pokemon as if they were his family, although his beginning was too inexperience to understand how to know and understand what a Pokemon Master really is and how to become one.

[@LordFarquaadismyEternalOpps]

50-100 exeggutor would be a LOT of xp just for the reason it's an evolved form. Plus theres no telling what lvl each one was.

[@javagamings]

the old grandma secretly used a nature stone on it (EXPLAINED!)

[@wanfangyan3514]

just so you know charmander learns flamethrower at level 36

[@LittleDfan]

@@Dragonmongamer No

[@rickspawirodikromo732]

Jeepes

[@H410M45T3R]

@@LittleDfan Yes

[@topg_karam234]

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[@psychedashell]

Depends where said Charmander came from. Flamethrower is a TM in every region but Kanto and Johto.

[@MWalkah]

A nice analysis. I would just point out that you overlooked the fact that if Charmander is to be considered a traded pokémon, he would also gain experience faster (1.5 times the regular amount).

[@truelyseen7050]

I always thought Charizard was jealous of Pikachu, because Pikachu was always out of his pokeball. I mean if I was a flying dragon I would feel some kind of way. Now don't get me wrong Pikachu's my favorite anything of all time I have a "I Choose You Nintendo Pikachu" that I've had for over 15 years. However thinking from a smart Charizard's point of view, he's probably thinking that he just a rat that shoots Thunderbolt and I can actually fly you,(ash)around the world and that's not even my power.so to sum up Charizard is a jealous sibling or pet however you want to at Pokemon

[@bigzam9077]

Ash has been a failed trainer since day 1. Not only has he got some free wins its also after he loses every gym match the first time

[@onijester56]

I pointed out in a response from months ago that Ash has a decent track-record in Kanto of winning legitimately. He was winning (with type advantage) against Cerulean and Celadon, before Team Rocket interrupted. The game got rained-out in the bottom of the 9th, and Ash had the lead. He was winning (without type advantage) against Fushia when Team Rocket interrupted, and when they picked back up where they were Ash won. Three legitimate first-time wins. He lost (without type-advantage) against Vermillion and Cinnabar, and lost (with type-disadvantage) against Pewter. For Lt. Surge, it's plausible to beat him with a Pikachu depending on the respective stats of the Pikachu and Raichu; just look to the people who attempt this in Pokemon Yellow. For Brock, in-game the closest way to replicate it would be using a Pikachu with "Surf"...which technically makes this unintentional win still legitimate. Thus we have two legitimate rematch-wins. Cinnabar, I'll grant as a "free win" since Ash relied on Charizard for what little lead he had. The final two gym matches to discuss are against Saffron and Viridian. For Saffron, it's fair to say that Sabrina using her psychic powers to interfere with the match, even going so far as to hold Ash and his Pokemon in-place and turning living people into inanimate dolls makes Sabrina's victory itself illegitimate, thus giving Ash an illegitimate loss. In the same vein, Team Rocket's trapped stadium would have made their victory illegitimate. However, Ash beat Giovanni's team on his first match against them. Therefore we have an illegitimate loss and a legitimate win. Four legitimate first-time wins. Two legitimate rematch-wins. One illegitimate loss that was off-set with a potential "free win". And one de-facto "free win". Your statement is thus explicitly false. [Not only has he got some free wins]...He got one, possibly two free wins. At most. [After he loses every gym match the first time]...Despite plot-inconvenience Team Rocket interfering, he won at least one gym match explicitly on his first time. And three other gym leaders forfeited in light of their inevitable loss should the match resume. [A failed trainer since day 1]...many players who go on to defeat the Elite Four have to rematch against a gym leader. This doesn't make them failures, and so neither does it make Ash a failure.

[@daniellesmith6877]

In the first anime. I think since then they tried to make his character a little better.

[@keaunceeclifton8044]

Ash is literally a good trainer wtf you talking about

[@Csgogaming-oj3xg]

Those moments when pikachu had to fight raichu and almosted evolved pikachu

[@Stylez359]

An this is why i have a love hate relationship with pokemon. All I'm saying if they were to give ash a new goal cause he's never gonna be a Pokemon master

[@megabyte5726]

you missed a vital factor. it knew flamethrower meaning as a charmander it had to have been lvl 32 before ash even knew it

[@carsonlove531]

Hero Syndicate TMs?

[@megabyte5726]

@@carsonlove531 game logic sure but we are talking about anime right?

[@frankchen4229]

@@carsonlove531 flamethrower wasn't a TM back then

[@TheRustyCopper]

>be italian >hear verlisify spell "Giovanni" "GEO-VANI" [screams-a internally-a]

[@zakaria_chana]

mamamia ! It's a-you, Mario ?

[@cArLo19947]

Non pensavo di trovare italiani UwU

[@fra604]

>tre mesi fa >tutte le risposte sono della scorsa settimana

[@cArLo19947]

Coincidenze? OwO

[@george_denbrough]

Si Correcto

[@Shandii]

He never earned any of those badges from winning the fights. I picked up on that after rewatching all the episodes with my daughter.

[@Hallofang]

He beat surge though, with Pikachu.

[@thornleif1908]

You forgot one thing that further boosts the "completely overleveled" theory: If obtaining Charmander from Damien would make Charmander count as a TRADED Pokémon, it would be gaining an additional 50% Experience.

[@levistevens6694]

Charmander wasn’t traded.. there was no trade. He was “released” so to speak so he then became a wild Pokémon therefore the trading theory probably isn’t in play.

[@SimplyMasonZero]

Ash not earning the badges actually does make a lot of sense

[@Raxorium]

He doesn't listen to Ash because Ash is eternally 12 years old

[@justaguy8481]

yinyang beats You mean eternally 10 years old.

[@j.mistik9915]

That One Cringy Gamer actually it was confirmed that ash aged over the generations

[@justaguy8481]

JerryMistik AKA: Mistic K Really? I stopped watching Advanced, so I didn't know.

[@j.mistik9915]

That One Cringy Gamer I don't really agree though but some people even said that this was true

[@AbuOsama29]

JerryMistik AKA: Mistic K As recent as x and y h me was still confirmed 10

[@-carpet-]

Charizard is a large powerful beast and ash was an immature little kid with mostly small weaker Pokémon on his team. Charizard justifiably saw himself as too good for ash and he really was. When ash takes care of Charizard after the poliwrath fight he proves himself as a more mature and serious trainer gaining him Charizards respect.

[@jb0258]

dude nice video! the amount of detail and math you did in this is awesome. keep up the great work!! :D

[@kdog6597]

I think that Charizard disobeyed Ash is because it was so high level that it refused to battle anything not strong enough to win... mabey

[@zebare726]

Kdog Could explain why he wanted to fight Magmar.

[@NinJaFREAK17]

They made him disobey because people thought it was funny...

[@NinJaFREAK17]

@Thelondonbadger doesn't mean anything. It's a cartoon for kids, it's made to be fun simple as that. People just like to pick things apart, lol.

[@asuspiciousloli3770]

actually wait a second, you said when ash's charmander beat all those exeggute that it couldny have gotten enough xp. since it wasn't his originally, its safe to say it counted as getting it in a trade. traded pokemon get boosted xp. so maybe it couldn't have gotten to 70 but it could have gotten close

[@snivysbasementlatestnews2108]

a suspicious loli he caught it himself though

[@robbob7840]

This is some Game Theory-type shit going on here lol. And here I thought that Charizard was just an ass for all these years

[@jaegerthedane3245]

Charizard was just being a typical teenager XD

[@markroutt730]

But that's just a THEORY... A. GAME THHhHhEeeEeEerRRrRROoOoIIiIIiEEeEYyYyyy.

[@arokace]

Bad game theorying in my opinion... sorry... but the only part that fits and makes any sense is the last stuff he said. And I don't know about everyone else but I realized all of this stuff(the last stuff, not the badge stuff because I don't think they work the same way in the show as they do in the game) as a kid... not 2 decades later lol... Exactly Caitlyn Adams... well I'd say that Charmander basically had a fucked up childhood, then got adopted and liked his new parents. But once he evolved he became an angsty teen(charmeleon) because he is adopted and Ash isn't (honestly, at least in Kanto) the best of trainers in the world lol... he was kind of bad in Kanto... So because Charmeleon didn't have respect for Ash and was basically adopted he was the equivalent of an angsty/emo teen. Then he evolved into Charizard... still having all these angsty feelings floating around inside of him except he is now a young adult, like fresh out of High School(so like 18/19) in the beginning. Over the course of the show we do see signs of growth because there are times where Charizard does listen to Ash for a few brief moves/seconds but then (I guess) remembers the old ways/feelings and goes back to ignoring him. Then the incident with Charizard's tail happens, and Ash nurses him back to health. Charizard sees all this, realizes that he might not be the most perfect of humans but he is his human and he cares for him a lot. And finally becomes a real adult. This part I am about to say is just something I'd hope happens inside of Charizard's head when the tail incident happens, that as Ash is nursing him and keeping the fires going and whatnot, that Charizard remembers when Ash first finds him (and he is remembering this for the first time in a very long time, like the last time would have been when he was Charmander still) and takes him in to make sure that his tail doesn't go out in the rain. And Charizard then uses that memory along with what is currently happening to realize that he's cared for him since day 1. P.S. anyone know what a bellend is? just learned that word today... fucking british people have weird ass slang words

[@yvonnedonohoe9557]

Arokace how do not know what a bell end is go watch some gradeaundera

[@0zkar195]

ITS NOT A PHASE MOOOOOOOOM

[@DanXD64]

The charizard that came back was a charizard that admired ash for so long and the old one just left

[@donovynchano8222]

FurryFurret didnt Ash let go his charizard

[@spary1018786]

No the Charizard that ash got back was the same stop making up stuff

[@donovynchano8222]

Ty Lane were u talking to me or him

[@merubindono]

Whoa that old guy is Weevil Underwood

[@xbotscythe]

DURO! MONSTA CADO!

[@vortex5361]

lol

[@necroprix9736]

Wrong place Bro.....

[@yukikotsukishiro992]

The answer is simple. The Pokémon Company did not want Ash with a powerful Pokémon obeying him in the Pokémon League. Why do you think they made Pidgeotto evolve after the League? Why did not Squirtle and Bulbassaur evolve? That is the answer. The Charmander was wild because his coach abandoned him. He was a captured Pokémon. This badge is only important for exchanged pokémons. The Charmander has never been changed. So this Badge excuse does not fit. The answer has always been the Pokémon Company. Ash is their victim. Ash is a character and who determines what happens to him and what he will do is who owns the rights. Who owns the rights? The Pokémon Company. Even if it was Red, everything that happened to Ash would happen to him, because so the Pokémon Company would

[@anastasiawinters4455]

Bulbasuar was going to but it forced itself not to evolve you cant force a pokemon to evolve thats wrong

[@wonderfulbobross4284]

Traded pokemon gain more exp. per battle also

[@pizza09009]

Does Ash getting Charmander count as being a traded Pokemon? Because Squirtle was another trainer's Pokemon as well. they have a machine to trade Pokemon in the anime. I think that's how Dawn and Ash traded Pokemon. Same with Ash's Butterfree.

[@pizza09009]

*getting Charmander the way he did. As well as Paul's Chimchar, etc.

[@wonderfulbobross4284]

trading is not what make the pokemon gain extra exp, having a different original trainer does

[@marvinhuynh4880]

pizza09009 for Paul's chimchar he released him because he was too weak so wouldn't be considered wild then?

[@biggamanedabeast5247]

Actually when you pick Charmander, Oak does mention to raise it slowly, I wonder why that wasn't mentioned

[@SilverAlex92]

Your theory makes sense. Ash never had the fighting skill to win the latter badges nor the stricness and dominance you need to earn the respect of a stronger animal. Like many dog owners treat their dog so well and lets them have their way, the dog starts thinking HE is the alpha of the pack and the human just one of his betas. (note if your dog ever tries to hump you, he is literally telling you "im your alpha" stop him and show dominance, or that ship will be sail.

[@marketday12345]

what if it was a woman and a male dog, can the male dog still think it will gain alpha or will it acknowledge the woman as the alpha?

[@MapleMAD]

For many years, it was generally thought that non-sexual mounting was a sign of one dog attempting to dominate another. However, according to research by dog behaviorist Dr. Becky Trisko, humping was not associated with aggression and submission. Instead it correlated with play and other "affiliative" actions. For example, dogs seen licking another dog's muzzle (a sign of equality and friendship) were also observed mounting the same dog. Therefore, a dog is probably not trying to dominate your leg or any other part of you.

[@kurgan668]

right, let me get this straight, if a dog is humping your leg, its trying to show dominance, and YOU should therefore show the dog that you're dominant please tell me you don't have to start humping the dogs leg...………. :P

[@coyowolf4609]

@@kurgan668 no. You push it off and tell it no and start actually having rules for the dogs like stay off the bed unless invited, no jumping or chewing on anyone ever, no treats without earning them, ect.

[@emilaegsson8955]

the beta/alpha pack dynamic has already been proved through scientific study to not be real in wolves/dogs

[@mcflyguyty8767]

If I'm not mistaken, isn't the only reason he got the Boulder badge was because Pikachu shocked the sprinklers causing the water to weaken Brock's Onix?

[@sleepy990]

When you're talking about chameleon but keep saying charmander. You, that's you.

[@Internationalbro]

You forgot to factor in the boosted exp gained when you fight with a Pokémon that isn’t originally yours.

[@Eerie_Buneary]

Charmander isn't the only abandoned pokemon that Ash evolved. There was Chimchar and Tepig. Even though Monferno went crazy because of his blaze ability they both stayed loyal to him. Even if this badge theory is on the right track, it doesn't explain why butterfree or even kingler would still obey.

[@devilhex2802]

Eerie Buneary 1. Butterfree was his own pokemon. 2. So was Kingler

[@benzelwasington4059]

Devil Hex so is charizard he dident obay Cause after evoling he throung that he dont need any one he was a jerk to the other pokemons to in ash team

[@devilhex2802]

Benzel Wasington Charizard wasn't his own Pokemon. Also Pokemon (anime) is not the best example of logic or consistency.

[@benzelwasington4059]

Devil Hex charmander was abadomed By hes formar trainer AKA relesed in the wild Than ask Catched him I dont get Why some see that as trade its like saying that adopting a stray puppy is trade

[@devilhex2802]

Benzel Wasington well he wasn't released by his trainer. So technically that ain't a wild pokemon (though it ain't trade either). Anyways pokemon game and anime logics are different. Pokemon games have fixed set of rules. In pokemon anime Pikachu beats Rhydon with a thunderbolt, lol.

[@briobrio6047]

Kind of funny how charmander was abandon for not having enough exp points or strength And so he wouldn’t listen to his trainer ash because he thought he wasn’t a strong enough trainer It’s a pattern that repeats itself 🔥 Charmander -Charmeleon-Charizard

[@mrtubakapro2949]

You don’t have enough badges to train this charizard you need at least 16

[@donellebullock7404]

Why is this a thing about exp and lvls in the anime? Levels were shown to be more or less than their their skill level. Example: I'm at a higher level of skill at drawing than someone that has only been drawing for a few days, but there is not level like LV30. In the anime, Pok'eMoN can just abandon their trainers and come out of the Pok'eBall whenever they wish. The show is more about biology rather than data and numbers. This is why Pok'eMoN can be huge like the giant Dragonite, or made of different materiel like the crystal Onix. Pok'eMoN have personalities and minds of their own in the show. The game has the badges as a way to keep you from getting too strong early on. There is no numeric levels in the anime. Another thing is how come thing happen in the anime that wouldn't work in the games. This is because the anime runs more on the biology of the creatures, and not the numeric and programed data. In the anime Grass is resistant to Electric due to them being effective at channeling the electricity through their body and into the ground. This was stated when Ash fought Treecko. Ground is usually immune because their bodies act like the ground end of an electrical current, like those of jumper-cables. In the show, you must earn the respect of the Pok'eMoN, usually through beating it in combat and capturing it. However, some require more before they respect and fight for you.

[@marcioafonso2918]

In Chaemeleon's pokedex entry it says that it has a barbaric nature and loves fighting, going by that it is expected to be disobedient.

[@GamingMasterAnthony]

Márcio Afonso "Go easy on paras ok chaemeleon!"

[@CommonCent]

*Watches as Charmeleon beats the holy hell out of Paras*

[@Paul.D1983]

Charizards first trainer didn't care about his pokémon. And I think Charizard was thinking ash also didn't care about him. Charizard thoughts every trainer is the same.

[@captainspartan04]

But it learned as a charmander that ash cared for it

[@noyes4632]

In my opinion this is what I think. Charmander=Kid Charmeleon=Preteen Charizard=Teenager. When a kid progresses it starts disobeying so if Charizard is the final evolution it would make sense...

[@getownedkid]

I solved it. The game logic doesn’t relate to the anime

[@darkdogzstudioz]

except in many episodes they say it does. even to the point of levels and hp, and type advantages. (screens in many legal battles have the pokemons hp and stats displayed) it's just that, the writers of the anime are on a tight budget and schedule, having to pop out an episode a day every year. so stuff falls to the side when they can't keep up, most notably lore and story consistency.

[@darkdogzstudioz]

@@oskat8981 go watch some of the tournament episodes where they have the big screens showing hp and levels.

[@residentkane]

@@darkdogzstudioz you mean...a episode out every Saturday/Sunday?..

[@wadud92]

Pokémon is still an active anime today. And that is because Charizard didn't obey him. Either the main charecter has to have a limitation that means his strongest technique is used very rarely or has a set circumstance required, or the enemy has to trump the main charecter in terms of power. It is as simple as that. Ash cannot be overpowered if they want to continue the anime

[@derrickmcdowell8824]

Agreed, he already had a God level pikachu, had charizard been obedient, nothing nor no one CV could've/would've ever beaten or stopped ash

[@captain_buggles]

I think they really should've made Charizard himself share more of the blame, since the anime clearly paints Pokemon as capable of good and bad and taking personal responsibility. They also could've mentioned Damian's possible influence more, since I don't remember them ever bringing it up again. Plus they were way too vague with how exactly it was Ash's fault beyond just constantly calling him a bad/lazy Trainer, and how exactly Ash was supposed to improve his relationship with Charizard. He basically had to go by the seat of his pants and beg for even just a few minutes of cooperation the whole time. Plus, Charizard isn't even really a trade Pokemon. Ash didn't give anything in return. By that theory's logic, starters and anything that wasn't wild should be trade Pokemon too. So even though I like the OS overall, I'm never going to stop considering this as just an example of crappy writing that isn't nearly as clear and consistent as it could be.

[@essex5499]

Troy Oliver did you miss the bit where he didn't earn a single obedience badge in the original series?

[@PackTheRipperPKMN]

Charmander may not have been traded but it probably still gets the bonus exp gains for switching trainers just like a mystery gift Pokemon

[@rosiee7124]

The only thing that annoys me about Charlizard is that Ash rescued that Pokemon when his own master abandoned him, when he evolved, he legit started being an asshole and kinda abandoned the person who rescued HIM ;-; Makes no sense to me -_-

[@CABRALFAN27]

See, the thing is, you're trying to apply game rules to an Anime that follows said rules anywhere from loosely to not at all (For example, Snorlax knowing 6 moves, the aforementioned Exeggcute evolving without a Leaf Stone, Pokemon being able to do stuff other than just strict moves in battle, etc)

[@CABRALFAN27]

Fair enough, but the other stuff still stands.

[@grizzly_manbanimation8436]

Another example of what you say is in a later season pikachu had somehow learned the move volt tackle on its own. If I’m not mistaken volt tackle is an egg move that requires a parent pikachu holding a light orb In the games.

[@martinez92jorge]

Charmander won't learn flamethrower until lvl 36, but Ash's charmander knew flamethrower AND firespin, clearly Ash wasn't skilled enough for this over leveled fire lizard

[@gagansai2894]

May learned from TM

[@MyBackyardCemetery]

Misinformed there buddy, he wasn't going to win the Indigo League. He lost to Ritchie and Ritchie didn't even win the whole tournament.

[@Shadothecat]

Ash's pokemon previously battle team rocket. So he couldnt use the pokemon that would listen to him.

[@DragonForceAnimeReviews]

@@Shadothecat Even if Ash did manage to beat Ritchie (which I highly doubt since Ritchie seemed like a version of Ash that actually had his crap together), he wasn’t going to win the whole thing.

[@fillipedeoliveiraramos7391]

Another thing to consider: traded Pokémon have boosted experience gain. If you consider that Charmarder's OT is different from Ash's, we could expect that it grew a lot more that level 40ish or 50ish