Ashari Man Came To Challenge Shamsi On Ashari Aqeedah Then It Happened! Speakers Corner

[@shadowrealmgamer4147]

The wobbler ran away 😂

[@resulhrustanovic]

Your eyes are not blind, but your eyes in your chest. Obviously a man doesn't talk all the time but you don't want to see it 😂

[@falsehoodrefuted]

The only people who are wobbling are Sufis when they do their innovated acts of worship that they invented from their own desires

[@anonymoose9322]

The only people literally seen wobbling are your Sufi brethren, imitating the Kuffaar by dancing like Hip-Hop artists inside the Masjid.

[@coolnew42007]

@@falsehoodrefuted Didnt madkhalies allow halloween in hijaz? Najidia dawah doing some pagan stuff because you gotta obey shady rulers.

[@Visible-jb2ew]

@@falsehoodrefuteddefine bidah since you like bringing it up so much

[@EazyAzCanBe]

Shamsi should let the other brother speak too, this could have been a fruitful discussion.

[@osamamanan2723]

The ashari is lying. That is not even a debate if you lie.

[@grizzlymac-tight]

Who cares if the dude speaks.. he's wrong anyways. And he is throwing doubts on the correct belief. The laymen Muslim may lose his eeman because of that dude. May allah protect us and save us and grant us yaqeen upon the correct understanding.

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

This brother is very emotional. We affirm what Allah has affirmed for himself and what the prophet muhammed, peace and blessings be upon him, affirmed for Allah, without negating the meaning, without distorting the meaning, without saying how and without liking Allah to His creation, this is the belief of Ahlu sunnah wal jamah.

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

You jump... you affirm what Allah affirms- fine Then you jump to meaning.... where did Allah give the meaning? Are you taking the meaning from the language? In which case you are now adding on to what Allah mentions, as you belive that is what Allah meant. Or are you understanding it metaphorically as some of the Quran has a metaphorical meaning? But both of these are adding a meaning that Allah didn't give.. so how do you think you are right???

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb If I say i go to the mosque, no one would understand i meant something else, UNTIL you provide evidence from my statement what I said was metaphorical. The noble companions, may Allah be pleased with them, asked about the Ruuh, the women menses, the qital and so on. They never asked about the Face of Allah and so on, they understood it correctly, (i.e. the meaning) ..No one negated or distorted and so on. UNTIL Jahm ibn Safwan came along with his Greek Philosophy. The scholars of Islam refuted him. There is books called ASMA WA SIFAT, go and read it.

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb You said some Quranic verses has metphorical? Kindly, elaborate more on this and which verses are you refering to? Rather what is affirmed and known from the Qur’an and Sunnah is that He ascended and He descends, and the words ascending and descending are known and are carried upon their apparent meaning without asking HOW. When it comes to the *Names and Attributes of Allah* it is *not* metphorical in any way, shape or form, we do not invent metaphors for the Attributes of Allah because that is to ascribe to Allah that which He has not ascribed to Himself. From that which we must realise and understand is that Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'ah, the Companions of the Prophet and those who came after them, believed that all of the Attributes of Allah that are affirmed in the Qur’an and Sunnah are real and not metaphorical. Hafidh ibn Abdul barr andulose malike who was born in 368H mentioned the consensus in this affair from the Salaf, in his book called at-tamhed 7/145, he stated: Ahlus sunnah are in agreement upon acknowledging and affirming that all of the Attributes mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and belief in them, that they are carried upon their apparent meaning and not metaphorically, and Ahlus sunnah, they do not state how they are at all. As for ahlul bid’ah, the Jahmiyah, the Mu’tazilah, the Khawaarij, all of them reject this, and they do not carry any of these Attributes upon their apparent meanings. They claim that the one who affirms them (i.e. the apparent meanings) is an anthropomorphist. And according to those who affirm (the Attributes) these ahlul bid’ah negate the One who is worshiped (due to their negation of His Attributes). And the truth is what they have said with speech that is in accordance with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, and they are the Imams of the Jama’ah, and all praise is due to Allah.

[@Visible-jb2ew]

@@TheSlaveOfAllah1992When Allah says he is with you wherever you are… is this literal? And when he says wherever you face is Allah… are these literal?

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

@@Visible-jb2ew He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and *then established Himself on the Throne* . He knows all that enters the earth and all that comes forth from it, and all that comes down from the heaven and all that goes up to it. *He is with you wherever you are. Allah sees all that you do* .. I as a non -arab from the western world, understood this verse correctly, by the Grace of Allah. Simply it means nowhere are you outside Allah’s knowledge, His power, His rule. Allah knows wherever you are, whether in the earth, or the air, or the water, or in a secret place. He is knowledgeable of their deeds and nothing escapes His watch, nor is He unaware of anything. Rather, His knowledge encompasses everything. Allah encompasses all His Creation by providing them with sufficient needs and by His generosity and favor. As for the next verse, is it about direction, the reason why the verse was revealed. The verse was revealed about those who are unable to find the correct direction of the Qiblah in the dark or due to cloudy skies and, thus, prayed in a direction other than the Qiblah by mistake. The Face of Allah is one of the Divine Attributes of Allah. Allah knows best. We affirm it, as Allah affirmed for Himself, what we Muslims do, we do NOT ask *how* ..That is the mushkila with these people, in reality they are mutashabihoon. They resemble Allah to His creation, which is Kufr, most of them are ignorant. One more thing, the Noble Companions, radiyallahu anhuma, never asked the Prophet Muhammed, peace and blessings be upon him, "does Allah has Face, does Allah has Hands, does Allah Hears, and so on, but they asked lesser things like the Maheedh ,The Qital, The Ruuh, The Hour and so on. Which one is more important, the Maheedh of the Woman or knowing Allah's Divine Attributes? Any sane Muslim would say knowing Allah's Divine Attributes. However, they never asked, the Prophet Muhammed, peace and blessings be upon him, never said anything regarding this, this can only mean, they understood the verses better than you and us and they were the best people and they had among them The Greatest Prophet. However, until this man called Jahm ibn Saffwan came along, before him there was another man like him, came with this Nonsense, becouse they were influenced by the philosophy, specially Greek Philosophy. The leading Muslim scholars refuted and rebuked them. What we noticed with Asha'irah, Maturidis, Deobandis, etc, when they read these verses where Allah says, for example, He Rose Above The Throne, they say, it means Conquered, who did Allah conquered it from. Audobillah. They change and distort completely the meaning, if someone did that to my words, i would surely punish such individual and *you are dealing with Allah* , remember that. Fear Allah. When the truth is presented to you, then follow the truth, not what you have been thought of falsehood. Read the book of Asma wa Sifat.

[@DarkFaze-qh1uo]

Shamsi acts like a baby fully triggered it’s so cringe

[@wahidhussain5721]

Very bad manners from Shamsi

[@quattro4lifet844]

That the way how you should talk to kafirs

[@yassineamell9311]

Alhamdolilah shamsi humbled this ashari and for the people who are saying shamsi is too harsh this is how the salaf handled people like that الحمد لله

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

I think you must have been sleeping... shamsi got battered

[@OnliKidding]

Stupid ashari humbled

[@ViralSportsTV397]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb 😂😂😂😂 typical box headed Salafi

[@AhleSunnah586]

shamsi wants to talk and not let others talk.

[@waressz]

Misleading title, clearly the wahabi preacher didn't allow him to finish and got emotional and showed bad behavior

[@lv9569]

All i heard was shouting and then running off by shamsi then the guy talking on mute, nothing was established here

[@thisnthat6972]

Someone tag ustad asrar Rashid into this he will put this discussion to bed but I highly doubt brother shamsi will be willing to accept such discussion in a properly organised venue

[@coolnew42007]

Thats it bro - whenever they know someone can school these bootlickers then they say we don't debate with ahlul bida but when they find a laymen they do debate.

[@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim]

@@coolnew42007 Lol this man isn’t a layman, he’s a sheikh who studied under ashari sufi ulemaat of Syria, his name is sheikh Nourredine, lol wallah Allah has exposed you for thinking this man was a layman when in reality he’s an ashari sheykh, you know shamsi destroyed him that’s why ur angry and said shamsi needs to debate ashari scholars instead of layman, u thought this man was a layman when he’s from the knowledgeable shuyookh of the asharis in the west lol alhamdulilah sufi asharis will go crying after this butt woopin they have got from a student of knowledge against your biggest shuyookh here in the uk…shamsi is not a even a shaykh he’s only a street da3ee and student of knowledge with correct aqeedah yet he destroyed this ashari shaykh, wallahi the most under studied salafi student of knowledge would destroy all the quboori grave worshipping ashari sufi ulemaat, in tawheed And aqeedah. Alhamdulilah for Islam And thé sunnah. May Allah never allow us to become ashari sufis, And May Allah guide thé asharis back to the sunnah, so we can unite the ummah upon the truth, away from grave worship, khurafaat and superstitions, and to correct tawheed and sunnah. Ameen

[@JustObserving7860]

😂😂😂😂

[@saidibo4294]

@@coolnew42007when they find a leyman? Brother your so called “sheikh” got ruined in front of you, by allahs permission. And you 3alims would get destroyed to by allah’s permission, how dare you speaking about allah names and attributes and changing the meaning ya jahil

[@hamzanocap]

​@@coolnew42007Is the Prophet alive?

[@falsehoodrefuted]

Sheikh Arafat has a nice refutation of the false claim that the sahabah did Ta’weel of Allah attributes!

[@v.zoster7660]

I see that brother shamsi isn't letting brother noruddin speak freely and forcing him to be put in asha'ari template even if brother noruddin stated several times he speaks of what he himself has learned

[@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim]

Shamsi is severely sick he couldn’t talk well and lost his voice, he had to talk louder than usual cause his voice isn’t working, he’s severely sick that’s why he wasn’t able to talk the way he usually talks, plus he was severely angry for the sake of Allah against this ashari…so being sick and losing ur voice plus being angry will cause some trouble for any person. May Allah bless shamsi

[@al_hilali213]

Do you hear correctly? The ash'ari literally said he will not let shamsi finish his points.. stop speaking nonsense...

[@نصيحةاليوما]

شمسي بارك الله فيكم والله انا لنحبكم. في الله. شمسي اسد السنة

[@Yorkshire7]

Shamsi gets too excited the other brother was at least calm.

[@moonmoonStar]

Alhamdulillah with the aqeedah of Ahlussunnah Wal Jamaah (the Athari, Ashari and Maturidi), the aqeedah of the *MAJORITY* of ulama from Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii, and some Hanbali ulama are upon. We reject the Wahabism and Taimiyyun. ALLAHUAKBAR !

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

Do not lie about these great imams. Fear Allah. Maturidis and Asha'irah are philosophical groups. These imams refuted their beliefs. Where is Allah?

[@moonmoonStar]

@@TheSlaveOfAllah1992 who said i lied ? the jumhur of ulama from Shafii, Maliki, Hanafi, and some Hanbali madhhab are upon Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah, not Wahabism nor Taimiyyun. Where is Allah ? Allah is not confine to any space or time. Allah is Exalted from being limited to space like your doctrine. You want to say Allah sits on the Arasy ? Literally sits ? LOL

[@anonymoose9322]

@@moonmoonStar Mua’wiyah ibn al-Hakam reported: I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have a servant-girl whom I slapped.” That upset the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said to him, “Shall I emancipate her?” The Prophet said, “Bring her to me.” Then, she was brought and the Prophet said, “Where is Allah?” She said, “Above the sky.” The Prophet said, “Who am I?” She said, “You are the Messenger of Allah.” The Prophet said, “Free her, for she is a believer.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 537

[@anonymoose9322]

So according to your logic, truth is based on majority. So, the Christians are upon Haqq as they are more in number than the Muslims. Most of the humankind will go to Hell, so according to your filthy and ridiculous logic, they are upon the truth. وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا ٱلظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُصُونَ And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh’s Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie. [al-An'aam, 116]

[@moonmoonStar]

@@anonymoose9322 🤣use your Allah's given brain Wahabiyah ! You know why the Prophet agrees with the answer ? Because she was a girl ! She was not the companions, not a scholar. What do you expect an uneducated servant girl correct answer where God Allah is ? In the river ? On the mountain ? Sitting on the cloud ? Of course the proper answer *FROM A GIRL* Allah is Exalted above the sky. Meaning above the Heavens, above anything and above everything, Allah is not bound to time and place. Simple-minded literalist are so lost by putting Allah has a place like the creation !. geez

[@Asad-2166]

If this is the future of this ummah may Allah swt have mercy 📿🤲May Allah swt have mercy and guide us all Ameen sumameen Yaa Raabulalamin😊

[@osamamanan2723]

Sahaba never had a doubt that the apparent meaning of Allah's attributes is tashbeeh. That clearly shows that sahaba took the apparent meaning. That is clear.

[@user-zj5kj4tc8e]

Where does all these off shoots come from. 😮

[@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و]

No where, the Majority of Ahl al-Sunnah are either Ashari or Maturidi, wahabis like to pretend they are the majority and use labels like Athari and Hanbali to deceive gullible sunnis

[@hamzanocap]

People who are not happy with Allahs religion, or the way Allah communicates about himself, or those who so desperately cling to their culture and attempt to mix it with Allah's commands. This man in particular does not accept that the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth can communicate his qualities clearly, and has to inadvertently deny his His Speech because it doesn't satisfy his curiosity.

[@aryub5851]

"You don't get no points brother" 😂😂😂

[@mandmurat2605]

Shamsi shouting and letting the oponent to speak

[@justaperson5892]

Ibn ‘Abbās’ tafsīr was based on the context of the āyah and it’s common usage among the Arabs, that’s the point. The Ahl al-Ḥadīth make use of sound ta’wīl (interpretation) when the evidence accommodates it, when it is warranted by the context. But the Jahmīyyah, Mu’tazilah, Ashā’irah and Māturīdīyyah make use of false ta’wīl because they operate on the notion of divine perfection taken from Aristotle, Plato, and al-dalīl al-a’rāḍ wa-ḥudūth al-ajsām derived from the Sabien philosophers - and hence, whatever texts clash with this notion must be distorted. Maybe if you allowed Shamsī to make this point instead of cutting him off and parroting the same low-level argument, the discussion could’ve gone in a much more fruitful direction.

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

So you can do Taweel then?

[@shamsudeenmacseain5157]

So the sahaba did do ta'weel then? That was the Scholars point.

[@justaperson5892]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb If you re-read my comment a bunch of times, the answer to your question should be clear. “Ta’wīl” can be loosely translated as “interpretation.” The issue with the Ash’arīs and other sects isn’t merely interpreting the text, it’s their wrong interpretations of the texts after characterising the Qur’ān and Sunnah as speculative due to giving precedence to ‘ilm al-kalām. • Aḥmad Ibn Ḥanbal authored a book titled: *Responding to the heretics and Jahmīyyah regarding their doubts about the unclear verses of the Qur’ān and their interpretation of them in opposition to their intended interpretation.* الرَّدِّ عَلَى الزَّنَادِقَةِ وَالْجَهْمِيَّة فِيمَا شَكَّتْ فِيهِ مِنْ مُتَشَابِهِ الْقُرْآنِ وَتَأَوَّلَتْهُ عَلَى غَيْرِ تَأْوِيلِهِ As for the correct methodology of explaining the meanings, that has been outlined since the early times of Islām. • Ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī said: *❝So, the most accurate among the interpreters in getting the truth right and the clearest in explaining it are those who have a strong argument in their interpretation and explanation. Their interpretation should be traced back to the Messenger of Allāh ﷺ rather than the rest of his Ummah. They are also the most reliable in presenting evidence, based on their profound understanding of the language. This understanding can be derived from their contemporary poetry, as well as from their rich and well-known linguistic expressions and languages. This is after it has been established that their interpretation and explanation align with what has been interpreted and explained from the statements of the Salaf, including the Companions and Imāms, as well as the Tābi’īn and the scholars of the Ummah.❞* فَأَحُّقُ الْمُفَسِّرِينَ بِإِصَابَةِ الْحَقِّ … أَوْضَحُهُمْ حُجَّةً فِيمَا تَأَوَّلَ وَفَسَّرَ، مِمَّا كَانَ تَأْوِيلُهُ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ﷺ، دُونَ سَائِرِ أُمَّتِهِ … وَأَوْضَحُهُمْ بُرْهَانًا … مِمَّا كَانَ مُدْرِكًا عِلْمَهُ مِنْ جِهَةِ اللِّسَانِ، إِمَّا بِالشَّوَاهِدِ مِنْ أَشْعَارِهِمُ السَّائِرَةِ، وَإِمَّا مِنْ مَنْطِقِهِمْ وَلُغَاتِهِمُ الْمُسْتَفِيضَةِ الْمَعْرُوفَةِ … بَعْدَ أَنْ لَا يَكُونَ خَارِجًا تَأْوِيلُهُ وَتَفْسِيرُهُ مَا تَأَوَّلَ وَفَسَّرَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ عَنْ أَقْوَالِ السَّلَفِ مِنَ الصَّحَابَةِ وَالْأَئِمَّةِ وَالْخَلَفِ مِنَ التَّابِعِينَ وَعُلَمَاءِ الْأُمَّةِ 📚 (Tafsīr al-Ṭabarī 1/88-89)

[@shamsudeenmacseain5157]

@@justaperson5892 So ta'weel can be done.

[@abdullaibrahim8822]

كم أنت منافق ... لعنة الله على القوم الظالمين .... ماذا سينفعك شمسي أنقيست يوم الحساب .... لا اعتقد انك تفهم و لا ستفهم طول عمرك ... عليكم من الله ما تستحقون .

[@coolnew42007]

I thought madkhalies said they don't debate with ahlul bida lol

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

Noor udeen- the sahaba done taweel and tafweed Shamsi - show me where Noor - ibn abbas said shin means calamity(taweel) Noor - ibn masud just said verbaitàm text(tafweed) Shamsi- you lied Noor - no you mentioned it whne you spoke. Shamsi runs 🏃‍♂️ so fast he broke the 100meter world record...

[@falsehoodrefuted]

Ibn Abbass didn’t do Ta’weel Shamsi already refuted this and in a video after. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about, these are old doubts that have already been dealt with. Just Ashari’s are Jaahil. Saying a text verbatim doesn’t mean tafwid! That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard but nothing from Ashari innovators surprises me!

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

@@falsehoodrefuted throw your adhomoninems it doesn't make your argument any stronger. The fact you don't understand that taking the 'literal' understanding is taweel, shows you don't get it

[@falsehoodrefuted]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb Did you mean what you said or shall I do Tafweed of your last comment?

[@falsehoodrefuted]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb Ashari’s and maturidhis are Mushabihah! Mujassimah! Taking the literal apparent meaning is not Ta’weel by the way. In this video they are taking about the Ta’weel of giving figurative meanings to the texts, that is not the apparent meaning! The apparent meaning is that which is known in the Arabic language and doesn’t require an explanation. For example when Allah said he created Adam بيدي. The only meaning this can have is hand as يد apparent meaning is hand and when it comes with ب before it always means the literal meaning and this is principle that is well known in the advice language. And then when the prophet ﷺ affirmed fingers for Allah in the Hadith. And then we have Allah saying in the Quran that he will roll up the heavens in his Right hand. And then we have the use of the word كاف by Abdullah Ibn Abbas in an authentic narration and we have all the Salaf agreeing upon this! When we see the texts all describing one thing but in multiple angles that is an indication upon the literal meaning of that thing! This is something that should even need mentioning but Ashari’s and Maturidhis will not cease to liken Allah to his creation. So ahlus sunnah have to explain to Ahlul bidah (the Ashari’s and maturidhis) what every child already knows. Then the Ashari’s and maturidhis want to come along and re-write the rules of the Arabic language! Funny thing is if you even bothered to read the books of the Salaf you would see 100% in clear sight that they affirmed the apparent meaning of the texts!

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

@@falsehoodrefuted the discussion is the video is very simple... can Taweel and Tafweed be used and did the sahaba / salaf use it. The resounding answer is yes... Shamsi tried to twist it and add a clause to this. Second what rule indicates that if you use the proposition ب before anything you HAVE to take the literal meaning, please state your sorce, I have never come across this before, and sounds like you're being taught by someone who has an agenda. Please bring deleel for the points you have mentioned

[@alialhilali9862]

I mean look at his face and its all written all over it

[@MuslimDailyVids]

How do the asharis have any ghayrat after their learned ones are so scared to go to the park and the ones that do just came fresh out of pakistan with ahul Biddah training 😂😂😂😂

[@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و]

He isn’t fresh out of Pakistan; he's a British scholar who spent more than a decade studying in Syria under prominent scholars, unlike the Wahabiya you fanboy over.

[@moonmoonStar]

Seriously Wahabiy ? That man is a scholar level guy who studied the deen for 20++ years under multiple Syrian scholars unlike the huhahuha speaker corners boy.

[@anonymoose9322]

@@moonmoonStar He studied nonsense for 20+ years and came to Speakers Corner just to get obliterated. Imām Ash-Shāfi’i (d. 204H) stated: “My judgment upon the people of rhetoric (Ahlul-Kalām) is that they should be beaten with palm branches, placed on the back of a camel and paraded among the people and it be announced: ‘This is the punishment for the one who abandons the Book and Sunnah and takes to Kalām (theological rhetoric).” (Al-Baghawi reported it in Sharhus-Sunnah, 1/218)

[@ZeshanAhmedNY]

🤡

[@moonmoonStar]

​@@anonymoose9322Obliterated when Shamsi Wahabiy is the one running away ? 😂😂😂

[@thisnthat6972]

Shamsi ran away

[@tzarak6257]

Lmao 😂 We Sunnis aren’t hypocrites enough to waste our mind on lies

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

He ran faster than Usain bolt...

[@dejvimuca3466]

​@@AmirKhan-pm8cbhow many graves did you worship this week😂😂😂

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

@@dejvimuca3466 I worship Allah alone..

[@dejvimuca3466]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb where is Allah?

[@badarasn4408]

Speaks like hatun 😂😂😂

[@coolnew42007]

Here is a list of some scholars who are Asharies but the atharies love using their works.. Ibn hajar al alasgalani An nwawi Al jawzi Ibn qudama As suyuti Etc

[@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim]

You’re a liar, ibn qudama hated the asharis this is one of many quotes of him about them He said:”We do not know of a sect from the heretics who hide their beliefs, and who are not bold enough to manifest them, except the Zanadiqah and the Ash’aris.”

[@coolnew42007]

@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim bro go celebrate hallowen or hit some pagan concerts in najid haha if you say so how about the rest? You seem triggered by the truth, you who believe in one leg god is worse than a zandiq.

[@coolnew42007]

@kamranahmed6446 Ibn hajar RH was an asharies according to your own najdia saudi ulemas - you havent read fatul bari stop pretending its written by a bida/mubtadi scholars so you shouldnt read it. Same applies to Annawawi RH ask your najdia scholors he was na ashari in aqeedah. Your copping hard just cant accept the fact atharie isn't the only creed like firuq.

[@michelangelope830]

Imagine you are a journalist or someone interested in news and someone said to you important discoveries have been made that would help humanity to live better with knowledge. Would you ignore the claim and move on with your life, or run away offended like the devil from holy water?. Or would you attend and listen to the information that may help you take better decisions with more knowledge? I feel I am explaining the obvious and I am not understood. I am suffering the most severe and devastating censorship in history in a social media era for many years and people don't care, no wonder humanity are deceived! I am a poet that writes prose to be understood better. All my work is poetry. Is it possible to understand verse if prose is not understood? I am a psychologist and I want to know what do you understand when I say "to end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news". The greatest knowledge of all time, that is going unnoticed, is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Should the greatest achievement of all time for which future generations would be grateful be ignored to be destroyed? Should knowledge be destroyed? The war is bad because nobody benefits and everyone gets harmed. A war in any part of the world is like a cancer in any part of the body. Is it asking much or too much to share truthful information that shouldn't be censored in the first place to end the war and save lives? What are humanity waiting for? I hope for God's sake to be understood. I need future generations to know the atheist logical fallacy to rest in peace eternally. I don't know much, but I know what I know, and I have lived long enough to know Nobel Prizes are given to friends and family and people don't care. Keep this loving poem save because it will save your life.

[@YousafKhan-pv7fy]

Shamsi n co found out who they where speaking to and done a runner

[@JustObserving7860]

this ashari got exposed and he was suppose to be a ‘ sheikh ‘ who learned for many years in syria. what a waste of time, he tried to lie upon the sahaba and smiled it off and didn’t take it back; what a shameful deviant

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

We're you watching the same thing. The only person who got exposed was the Sham

[@thisnthat6972]

Sad to see Sheik shamsi lost this discussion clearly and it can be seen from shamsi body language he was struggling to reply to this guy

[@Anas-be2vq]

yeah he was struggling to reply because he was being interrupted by the ashari guy everytime shamsi tried to present his argument, like when he asked him who should we follow ibn abbas statement or the prophet's? he didn't let shamsi give the prophet's statement, or when he asked him did Allah create Iblis with his power, he was about to ask him about specifying Adam's creation with his Hands. Ashari guy is a weasel really, he knows the arguments so he interrupts before they're communicated.

[@paimei26]

he isnt a sheikh but a rotten madkhali

[@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و]

Shamsi is a da'i and doesn't hold the position of an Imam in any mosque, let alone that of a Shaykh. It's unfortunate to witness that British Muslims, particularly those in London, have difficulty distinguishing between a da'i and a Shaykh.

[@falsehoodrefuted]

@@paimei26please tell me who are the scholars I should be taking from if I want to be guided in todays day and age as everyone claims everyone else’s scholars are misguided

[@falsehoodrefuted]

@@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4وhe is actually the imam of a masjid

[@nesammagar1445]

May Allah make easy for all my Muslim Brothers& Sisters

[@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و]

Shamsi is not talking to an ‘Ashari man’ he is speaking to Shaykh Noorud-deen Rashid, who dedicated years to studying under renowned ulamah in Syria, including Shaykh Samir al-Nass. Shamsi and other Duat at speakers corner should not engage in debates with Ashari, Maturidi, or Athari Shuyukh because they will be exposed as having no actual knowledge in comparison to scholars.

[@user-zj5kj4tc8e]

😂😂😂

[@lionheart6848]

😂😂😂

[@SpecialSoma]

Shaykh Has No clue About Deen you said? Sounds about right! Let’s go back to Quran and sunnah and the correct understanding of the 3 generations instead of worshipping ashari saints

[@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim]

@@SpecialSomaBarackAllahufeek facts

[@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim]

You asharis got destroyed in this debate while shamsi is severely sick and can barely speak, and once he asked him let’s go back to the books of the salaf the man didn’t wanna go there cause he would’ve been exposed…salafeeya destroying ashari sufi qubooris until the day of judgement in shaa Allah.

[@crafty_prop]

I watch this on 2x speed. So chaotic. haha

[@AK_UK_]

Lol I guess madkhalis & Salafis know aqeedah better thanks bayhaqi, baqilini etc

[@ridwanmiahsalafibengali5628]

nope we follow all the books of the Salaf end of

[@AK_UK_]

@@ridwanmiahsalafibengali5628 what did ibn Hajar, Nawawi, Bayhaqi, Ghazali, Imam Abul Hassan Al Ashari etc all follow if not the Salaf?

[@Yorkshire7]

Typical Muslims instead of discussing in a respectful manner they talk over each other. What’s the point just give each time to put their point across. What benefit is this for the viewers.

[@Herbalist-Pak]

Majorities of muslim have left manhaj of salaf saliheen (radhi Allah enhuma) and they are deviations

[@razaali8362]

Shocking shamsi uploaded this video. Jumped topic to topic, shouted over everyone and ran off. Literally ran off. Embarrassing Okay. First the Ashari stance isn't that they dont know the meaning, rather they say we dont know the muraad (intent) Allah had in use of this word. Because it goes againts in its apparent (zaahir) clear text that has no ambiguity or differences such as "there is nothing like Allah". Secondly, the taweel done by latter Asharis was done as a possible meaning to stop people taking wrong meanings though tafweed is the Asl. So taweel was done Ihtimaalan. Thirdly why do Salafis get the benefit of doubt of context, when they do taweel but asharis dont. Asharis taweel is always according to the possible meanings of the word and considering context. For example, when Allah talks about Istiwa, its always in the context of discussing the story of creation, and we the Asharis say it can refer to the kingdom of Allah, as it has also been stated by some Salaf. Shamsi was out of his depth. He preached like a Christian rather than discussing and ran off

[@issamkholoud2009]

Shamsi should have more respect when speaking a Muslim that disagrees with him.

[@moonmoonStar]

he cannot. typical wahabism attitude.

[@issamkholoud2009]

@@moonmoonStar you should also have more respect. You are a hypocrite

[@OnliKidding]

We don't have respect towards any Innovators and their words. So khalaas and get lost. Put your advice in the waste bin.

[@issamkholoud2009]

@@OnliKidding koss imac ya hanzeer

[@issamkholoud2009]

@@OnliKidding you have respect when speaking to the Christians you kelb

[@resulhrustanovic]

Why do Muslims deny the attributes that Allah has said that he has ?

[@sharkyh7327]

Because they assume it would entail anthropomorphism but I would say saying thr hand is power for example where Allah Azzawajal has not stated this is much more dangerous, I would say Allah has a hand which is not like anything we have or can necessarily comprehend but we affirm it. I think that is the most balanced position, the extremes would be Allah has a hand like we have which is kuffar and the other extreme would be it means power for example cos that’s a guess which Allah never stated so yeah I think the Athari position is soundest and closest to the Quran and Sunnah

[@lightofislam4308]

They done deny, they affirm the attribute but remove any anthropomorphic meaning from it as there is nothing like Allah all seeing and hearing, but salafis say the attributes are literal apparent and tangible, salafis as these common day psuedo salafis

[@coolnew42007]

so you believe Allah swt has hands and one foot? Does Allah swt needs hands and a foot? I know najdia dawah dont use qalam but they should use their brain.

[@sharkyh7327]

@@coolnew42007 No where did I state he “needs” anything. I just said to affirm what Allah Azzawajal has said. Now with my original point, what does “hand” or Yadd mean and can you direct to any Quranic Ayah or hadith where it tells you what the Yadd is.

[@tzarak6257]

@@sharkyh7327So, you’re saying Allah needs hand to work with? U may say it’s figurative statement and we can end the discussion or U wanna stretch the rope and lead to kuffar

[@MrFar80]

What happen? This wahabi run away like coward? 😂

[@badarasn4408]

Liars People of desires > People of lies

[@anonymoose9322]

This is the exact thing the Christians say when Shamsi leaves after destroying their weak arguments. Not surprised since the Ashaa'irah of today are the Jahmiyyah of old. And Jahm bin Safwan took from Labeed bin 'Aasim, a Jew who had a Hellenistic understanding (like the Christians) of Allaah's Names and attributes. "Birds of a feather flock together"

[@coolnew42007]

@@anonymoose9322 Shamsi shouted like Hatun dont let his opponent speak then legs it - Also according to madkhlai bootlicker of the state they shouldnt be debating with ahlul bida - unless they are laymen :)

[@anonymoose9322]

@@coolnew42007 There's no such thing as a Madkhali. None of the scholars used that term. It's a made-up term, invented by the people of innovation, to drive the common folk away from Ahlus Sunnah. As for debating with Ahlul Bid'ah. Yes, it's not allowed to have formal debates with them. This is a general rule, but almost every general rules has exceptions. The scholars said that it is allowed to debated them if there's a necessity, and with some conditions, such as an innovator whose spreading his doubts to the people (most of whom may not have any knowledge). So it becomes necessary to refute his falsehood and doubts in order to protect the laymen from falling into his evil.

[@tzarak6257]

Ahlul Kuffar: Wahabi 😖😭

[@zednero8398]

This Ashari guy is a very dodgy person. He was dodging clear cut questions and going around them only to digress. What a hypocrite!

[@coolnew42007]

yea only if he was allowed to speak

[@zednero8398]

@@coolnew42007 He was allowed to speak and he spoke nonsense.

[@givingmyresponse]

Disgraceful attitude of this shamsi nadji, always running!

[@anonymoose9322]

He's walking away from ignorance. If one walks away from a barking dog, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's a coward. It means that he doesn't one to waste his time listening to the barking dog, when he could be being productive elsewhere.

[@givingmyresponse]

@anonymoose9322 then walk away quietly and with no drama. This is pure showing off. Disgraceful behaviour.

[@anonymoose9322]

@@givingmyresponse How do you know that he's showing off? Did you look inside his heart? Are you claiming to have knowledge of the Unseen? The disgraceful behaviour was from the Ash'ari who kept on interrupting Shamsi as he was afraid of what was about to come, and the Ash'ari's protégé, defending him against a Sahabi.

[@givingmyresponse]

@anonymoose9322 are you that ignorant, don't you have eyes, really these fanboy wahabis

[@coolnew42007]

@@anonymoose9322 why he engaged in the first place - you should also stop reading fathul bari since its written by an Asharies. If it was for asharies salahudin RH you did be a christian by now lol

[@issamkholoud2009]

Ashari aqeedah is still Islam, they can discuss but each to their own

[@issamkholoud2009]

@kamranahmed6446 then speak to them with kindness and convince them they are wrong. Also at one time the ashari aqeedah was the norm.

[@anonymoose9322]

How is the 'Aqeedah of Aristotle Islamic?!

[@coolnew42007]

ibn taymiyah used qalam accroding to your najdia follower suadi born! skhiekh ibn baz said you should read his book.

[@anonymoose9322]

@@issamkholoud2009 Shirk was the norm during the 950 years of Da'wah of Prophet Nooh عليه السلام. What's your point?

[@issamkholoud2009]

@@anonymoose9322 explain to me the shirk of the ashari? Just so we both understand the problem

[@mister_Q]

Shamsi is acts like a little kid i cant watch this