Ashley's Analysis | Near Miss

My viewer had a near miss when a car in front of him suddenly let a pedestrian cross the road.
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[@NitroMatt1]

I'm the cammer in this clip. I remember that I had no idea why the car in front stopped until I watched the footage back when I got home and spotted the woman running out! Like Ashley says, I was looking in my mirror too much, trying to keep moving when I should have held back. This was a couple of years ago in my first few months of car (and bus) driving. It was only recently that I remembered it (it's the closest I ever came to a crash, touchwood!) and thought I'd send it to Ashley, great to see an excellent video has come out of it. Always makes me cringe a bit watching this back but hopefully people learn from my mistakes and this helps prevent an accident somewhere! Drive safe everyone...

[@cargy930]

Fair play - and due thanks - for putting it up for analysis, I think many an experienced driver would've made the same mistake - and probably without managing the impressive "save" you achieved.

[@devari22]

Thanks for sharing - it is always worth looking back on these things and reflect upon them. Nice save though, I bet your brake never felt that much love before!

[@grahamnutt8958]

Fair play for your honesty and a good "save" there. At normal speed (playback) I had some difficulty spotting the lady - despite being forewarned that an incident was going to occur 🤔. Thanks for sharing this Matt 👍

[@johnbower7452]

Thanks Matt; thanks to you a lot of us have learned a few little pointers through Ashley.

[@ashley_neal]

Hiya Matt! Thanks again for sharing and it's definitely helped many people. Big respect 👍🏼

[@seberous]

This is what sets Ash apart from the regular overdramatic dashcam channels. He will quite happily make a 12min video about a 30 second clip, spending (at a guess) at least an hour filming as he drives, and another couple hours putting it together. Really helpful. Thanks Ash and Matt 👍👍

[@woutervanr]

We can analyse this for eternity, but in the end it's simple. Just keep more distance. You're going to miss certain things, so give yourself room to fix you mistakes.

[@David-sw2fn]

Also, if you’re the car behind in the right lane, it’s helpful to anticipate and leave more space. You have a better view and can aid the situation, so that the driver ahead doesn’t feel compelled to squeeze in. I know this section well. It’s very, very busy with narrow lanes. It’d be quite difficult to move into the right lane with a lot of space. I’d probably have stayed behind the bus, though sometimes they have hazard lights on and park along this stretch and that leaves you with no choice.

[@keith6400]

4:10 "And so can the people who live down there" (Catch the bus conveniently from this bus stop). Did anyone else notice Ashley's early April Fool with him pointing at a cemetery?

[@Ep1cure]

A bus is always a good clue that a pedestrian may behave a little erratically trying to get to it. All the more reason to manage your space and stay that bit more alert.

[@supergeekjay]

Hehe, yeah. I imagine a bus with a big icecream cone on top. Kids do the same to icecream vans, running out to them with no observation!

[@28YorkshireRose12]

There may be one mitigating plea on the cammer's behalf - Whereas the camera looked to be centrally placed in the windscreen, it would have a better view (wider view) of the road ahead, and the pedestrian. The driver, being further to the right would have had a somewhat narrower angle of view, limited by the car to the right. I'd surmise that the cammer could not see the pedestrian because she would be obscured by the car to the right. My surmise would be that the cammer may not have fully known why the car to the right was braking/may not even have been aware of the pedestrian right at the time. One thing which should be clear is that in traffic, in urban streets, you cannot afford to 'bunch up' - Far better to lay back and give yourself time and space to react to situations as they unfold. Even then, with a lot going on it is still too easy to either miss a salient point, or to become fixated on one particular element out of a whole complex of elements which demand equal attention.

[@MorrisGuy]

I'm sorry, I did have a slight giggle to myself at 4:00 when you mentioned the bus stop for the "the people that live down there" and then generally points to a cemetery. :P

[@mattw8332]

That made me chuckle! 😁

[@dakerbal]

Dangerous situation, especially with the pedestrian. I've had similar but while bicycling - having to always do a shoulder check detracts your attention massively from ahead. Distance is key!

[@endlesswisdom2765]

"We need to be PROactive, rather than REactive." I think this is the most important rule for every time we all are on the road

[@Richard_Barnes]

A few things here from my driving - In the cammers clip, I wouldn’t have moved back to lane 1 as I am already expecting the bus to be stopping. So with the traffic as it was. I would have stayed lane 2. The pedestrian is what it is. They stepped out and the cammer dealt with it, albeit with a ‘heart in their mouth’ moment. At least nothing happened. Buses - I am always anticipating them to stop and try to look for passengers, however had completely forgotten about those interior stop lights! Excellent point Ash, thanks. I need to mentally mark that one for later use. That’s a good one, especially at night. Anticipation - I get this wrong, mostly at roundabouts. I am too eager at times. Especially when I am ready to and start to go, before the person in front has even bothered to look! So I have to brake again. The amount of people who seem to arrive at a roundabout before they start to look is just incredible. They pull up and then seem to look. Thanks to the cammer for the clip 🙂👍🏻

[@cargy930]

Two slight problems with that: It's a waste of road space because it crams everyone into the right lane "just in case", but also if the bus doesn't need to stop, you could find yourself in the wrong lane with no way of getting back if traffic on the left closes up. Nothing wrong with pre-looking on a roundabout approach; it's very good practice. But too many people get fixated on looking and forget all about the car in front!

[@kevinsmith9382]

I know Ashley praises the cammer's move back to the left, but I also would have stayed in lane two. Buses stop frequently, so it's reasonable to anticipate that the bus would stop soon, and there was a lot of traffic in lane two, which would make it more difficult to move back into that lane to pass the bus. The cammer's attention was undoubtedly distracted by traffic behind him in lane two as he was looking for a gap to move out, which wouldn't happen if he'd have stayed there in the first place. There wouldn't have been any road space wasted in this instance as the cammer ended up in the same place in the queue if he'd have stayed in lane two.

[@outwood1]

The idea of looking for stopping signs on buses is unreliable. In London for example, Transport for London require its bus drivers to stop at at all recognised bus stops, so it is not necessary to press the bell on buses for them to stop at the next stop. Some passengers do press the bell but many do not and it is the pressing of the bell that activates the 'stopping signs' on buses where fitted. However of certain bus routes there are hail-and-ride sections where there are no recognised bus stops but the passenger can use the bell to request the bus to stop at any safe stopping area. These can be found often in urban residential areas or more often on rural bus routes.

[@ashley_neal]

So therefore in London it's easy, you know the bus is stopping!

[@seraphina985]

@@ashley_neal Thing is they are also unreliable everywhere for another reason, the bus can also be hailed by a pedestrian with a hand signal too. Considering this typically happens close enough to the stop the bus itself is likely to obscure your view of it you still need to assume it could stop at any stop light or not. Then you have timing stages as well, they will stop at those if ahead of schedule regardless of the bell being pressed or being hailed from the roadside.

[@grahamnutt8958]

Excellent analysis yet again and, by telling us the contents of the email; it gave us a better insight. I've also taken into account what Matt said in his post. @11:00..... there was I thinking.... "Proactive; not reactive" and then those exact words were stated. The "bus stoppong" light is not something that many would be looking for although I remember it was mentioned in a previous video or comment somewhere. Keeping a sufficient distance is always going to give you more time to react - that is probably "key" to avoiding shenanigans. Stay safe everyone 👍

[@Jonc25]

"Shenanigans" like that one.😄

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@Jonc25 🤣🤣🤣

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@Jonc25 Uh oh.... Just spotted a typo in my original post.... At least you and Ash knew what I meant though 🤣🤣🤣

[@Jonc25]

@@grahamnutt8958 No Graham i would say that was pretty accurate.🤣

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@Jonc25 "Bus stoppong" was an inadvertent description but you're right.... Some of them do smell a bit like a Pub 🚽🚾 lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@amyk9813]

The brake lights would make me weary and I'd switch lanes. I always anticipate a bus stopping and pedestrians crossing to/in front of busses. But being at night can make it a little harder

[@Will-it6ds]

Great video, thanks for sending the clip video in, I’m always looking In my mirrors when driving now, just through a combination of being gone into the back of before and this one time when ide just exited a road, I looked and there was nothing there so went, the car behind me also went I assume for the same reason but about 5 second later I heard a beep go of behind me and someone came flying past at about 50 to 60mph over a raised zebra crossing and I had no idea until I saw him come flying past. I think it was the corsa behind that beeped at him, that just showed me though how much I had to look in my mirrors. I still have no idea where he came from though as u had a fairly decent view and there was most definitely no one there when I looked.

[@jacintarene_]

What did you do to your finger? That black nail looks incredibly sore 😂

[@tomdriver7182]

People don't always check their mirrors before braking like that, it pays to keep a bit more distance if you can. Could the cammer have seen the ped and anticipated the situation in time?

[@RedSkyHorizon]

Snookered himself. You try and keep left whenever possible but other drives will close down your space. Maybe best to just stick to the right rather than weaving in and out.

[@AnnathePiana]

I could see myself making this mistake too. This is very helpful, thanks!

[@mattc9005]

Great video as ever. One minor point- I don't like the term "stuck behind a bus/ cyclist/ horse rider/ learner etc". If you're stuck somewhere it implies you need to get out, and this attitude of I must get out and more than that have a right to go faster than I am at the moment can lead to all kinds of unsafe behaviour. As someone below pointed out you're not stuck, the bus will shortly be moving again and there's no need to overtake it (or a learner, cyclist, horse rider etc). It's nice to be able to, and all the things you said are spot on in doing that safely, but if you can't who cares?

[@ashley_neal]

You do have a point about "Stuck' behind, but for me stuck behind implies you didn't anticipate well enough when there was an opportunity to keep the flow going. When buses park at bus stops they don't always start to move again shortly as they could be waiting for a driver change, or even be ahead of time. When anything is parked you should look to negotiate round to aid the flow of all the traffic on the road. Stopping behind every bus that parks shows a lack of skill and anticipation. There is never an issue overtaking any learner, cyclist or bus when it is appropriate.

[@alane7903]

Yep! MGIF syndrome ;)

[@mattc9005]

@@ashley_neal I agree with that, and unfortunately through the attitudes of some drivers (who, regrettably, probably won't be listening to you anyway) stuck has come to be used in situations where it is inappropriate. Which is why I'm wary about using the word at all as my meaning can then get twisted.

[@johnmckay1423]

@Matt C, @ashleyneal not original video: I'd agree, but a close relative failed their test for doing this. They didn't anticipate that a bus was stopping at a bus stop in the main carriageway shortly before a roundabout they were turning left at. They had to stop behind it while other cars that (if you're being generous) had anticipated better and overtook both him and the bus (or as I suspect were being impatient at being stuck behind both a driving school car and a bus). Having made the mistake, they waited for the bus to pull away, which is exactly how I would have corrected my error (given the road was busy). I was very surprised that this was judged a major fault so they failed despite having only a couple of other minors during their test. My counsel was that "in real life" while I'd hope to anticipate better, if I hadn't my recommendation would be to do exactly what they'd done causing them to fall their test. None of the other failure were for hesitancy.

[@mattc9005]

@@johnmckay1423 That does seem harsh! I can kind of see where they're coming from if the traffic speed and density were similar to those in the video though- as Ashley says the bus might be broken down or something so you do need the ability to correct your error by changing lane and overtaking the bus. Also compare the video from some time back with a learner on the fast duel carriageway, if you don't display the skills (even if you have them) to deal with a stopped bus can the examiner be confident you can deal with the other? In this video the risk from being behind the bus was low, but also the traffic speed and flow meant it was relatively easy to move out, but not as easy as planning ahead correctly, (which was another reason I personally wouldn't say stuck)- compare to the previous video on the duel carraigeway where risk of being there and difficulty of moving out are much higher.

[@markplenty2631]

Excellent explanation thanks.. 👍

[@kiradotee]

I actually want to say well done to the camer for assessing the situation and stopping so quickly, after what I presume he moved on from looking at the right mirror, across his right shoulder and brought his vision to the front witnessing a fully stopped car.

[@phillwainewright4221]

Kudos to the two bikers ... riding sensibly and not trying to overtake everything in front of them. One even respected the Keep Clear area!

[@LeeBayliss98]

Never thought of looking for stoping lights inside buses but will be in future. Makes sense

[@andrewnorris5415]

Would guess that maybe the pedestrian was in a rush to catch the bus. Not a good move to run in front as buses can suddenly move off. Also, the cammer did not want to get held up by the bus, that was their first instinct. Really the first instinct should be safety than worrying we might not catch a bus or be held up behind one for a few moments This can be trained as a habit. Such a habit would also stop people from being desperate to get by learner drivers. Always try to be patient with buses and learners is a good rule. Or we can make the wrong split-second judgements as the cammer did here. And as Ash said anticipating ahead really helps too. It looks like the driver is a good one and learned from it. We all make mistakes from time to time.

[@scottlaaa]

Did you not spot the honda flashing the pedestrian to cross the road?

[@andrewnorris5415]

@@scottlaaa Hi. Not sure if you are saying that to suggest the ped was not desperate to get the bus? Look closely and you will see the flash was AFTER the ped had desperately taken a step out into the road - right in front of the oncoming driver. Plus the ped waved his hand - which may have been at the bus driver to wait for him. Looks to me like the ped was desperate to run out across the path of the bus and step into the road while a car was coming. But yes, that is a good issue you raised there - people flashing can prompt people to run into dangerous situations. Even if you see someone badly wants something - flashing to let them do it is wrong - as it can prompt them to proceed without thinking of the danger. Also, look how the ped held his hand up as well - looked like he was gesturing to the bus that he wanted to get it. This does not mean the driver has seen him, though. The driver may have been looking into his mirrors as he was about to pull out.

[@seraphina985]

@@andrewnorris5415 Looking closely frame by frame looks like the pedestrian hovered their foot over the kerb actually. I don't see their head drop down as the White Honda obscures their legs like they would if they actually took the step down. Granted can't blame the driver of the Honda for stopping immediately at that as a pedestrian crazy enough to try and intimidate a car into stopping like that is probably the sort of chancer you want to give a wide birth.

[@devari22]

The bus stopping light is a good point that I'll definitely be looking out for next time. Nice tip Ashley!

[@scottlaaa]

I don’t think that the camera vehicle had spotted the pedestrian at all due to the A pillar and his mirror check, the driver failed to reduce their speed accordingly to the bus stopping and got caught out by the honda flashing the pedestrian to cross luckily no accidents happen this time. Please don’t rely on the stopping light on buses we get a lot of passengers who press the bell and yell sorry not this stop the next one, we also have people who refuse to press the bell to stop so you could get caught out by them.

[@cargy930]

...And let's not even talk about the bell on school buses!

[@scottlaaa]

@@cargy930 that thing goes off more than a church bell on Sunday mornings 😂

[@tj4234]

Why do they refuse to use the bell?

[@scottlaaa]

@@tj4234 I don’t know every time i ask i get a similar response either they say they pressed it or they couldn’t find one?

[@yodaslovetoy]

How many people spotted the lemming (pedestrian) on their first watch?

[@ThePhoenix109]

I didnt

[@yodaslovetoy]

@@ThePhoenix109 neither did i

[@scottlaaa]

How many spotted the honda flashing him to cross?

[@UltimatumNo5]

I couldn't distinguish between the glare of the brake light and the pedestrian and by the time he passed the pedestrian the car was already changing lane - as for the stop light, I've never tried checking at night, but the windows are blacked out or I can't see the stop sign through the window. However, I agree that early preparation is better - getting a sufficient distance behind the civic by slowing earlier.

[@thomascarroll9556]

Nope.

[@davidellis8141]

Agree with you only thing i picked up on was the pedestrian crossing some 15 yds from lights crossing. It’s not only poor driving that causes accidents.

[@omfgmouse]

You're absolutely spot on re staring in one mirror too long and generally failing to anticipate. I had an... interesting experience in this regard last night. Entirely my fault, but thankfully the other driver made up for my mistake. For context, I was driving to a number of places, with a passenger getting out and delivering at each place, so one can imagine the extra stress and distraction that entails. At one place, I was parked up on the right just after a T-junction on the left. So the time comes to pull away. I check my left mirror and my blind spot over my shoulder, nothing. I check my interior mirror and ahead, nothing. I then see in my peripheral vision someone walking their dog on the pavement out of my left window - totally unimportant, but it distracted me, so I check my interior mirror and ahead again. Still nothing. So I signal and start pulling away while watching to the left, and I move about a foot before suddenly putting the brakes on because now there's a van to my left. I realised they must have turned out of the side road as they were signalling left, and I could only conclude that the time between my original blind spot check and moving off - a few seconds - was long enough for the van to drive up to the main road, appear in my blind spot and pull out - indeed, the lesson here is that the correct response to being distracted by the dog walker would be to do **all** my observations again, not just the one I was just doing. Fortunately, and thankfully, the van driver saw me, stopped, and let me go first, but it could have easily ended differently. They definitely made the issue a non-issue, as you like to put it!

[@1daddyDA]

Another good tip watch for people getting up inside the bus. You might not see the ‘stopping light’ but people usually get up and start moving to the doors before the Bus reaches its stop .

[@chrisward4141]

He was tailgating when he changed lanes and this is the reason he nearly rear ended the car in front. However, like you said if he anticipated the bus stopping he could have slowed down earlier, changed lanes earlier and then not having to brake harshly to avoid an accident.

[@oliverbrookes27]

Two rules for buses. If its moving it will stop at a bus stop, if its stopped at a bus stop it will want to pull out.

[@simonvinyl]

That white honda type r fn2 at 3:01, 😍

[@peterhurst]

Nice one Ashley, A59 never changes does it? I find some buses it's hard to see the stopping light. I seem to recall they used to have a repeater on the back window for just this reason and I've seen that idea repeated (sorry!) in Spain.

[@Islacrusez]

For me as a novice driver, what struck me most was the speed and space the manoeuvre was attempted in. Genuinely felt that if the manoeuvre turned out to not be possible at that point, the result would’ve been emergency braking and possible impact with the bus.

[@eddiegremlin]

At or near bus stops, always expect the dash either too or from the bus.

[@Wilco2998]

sadly most busses here in the region of Amsterdam have a high back seat which makes it sometimes impossible to see the stop light in a bus, but if a bus stop is on a busy road then most of the time have a stop space where the bus can stop without the traffic behind it getting any issues

[@tompanda1984]

The pedestrian was catching the bus. That’s why they were willing to run across the road. Initially I was criticising the white Honda. But we don’t know what is behind it as we can’t see the side of the cammers car. If clear why not slow and let the pedi cross. The cammer could have slowed earlier and moved behind the Honda sooner. Assuming it was clear. I think the cammer moved behind the bus due to the junction after the lights.

[@makiwa]

I do that, but I call it an "escape route"... Never let yourself get "boxed" in..... But I think that came from driving in Jo'burg for a few years...lol. But seriously, I do try to keep constantly aware of the changing situation - especially on Motorways! Yes, that escape route again. Thanks Ashley.

[@lapamful]

Also, when moving back over to the right the cammer didn't anticipate how close he'd be to the Honda to maintain a safe distance. But as you said, he was probably looking in his mirror for too long. But amazing reflexes, good save. Don't know how he didn't crash.

[@keith6400]

When a bus stops at a bus stop particularly during rush hours people might be late for work and make a rash move to get to the bus stop to catch the bus. This can be made worse if it is raining and no bus shelter is available.

[@LakesGeek]

Yep that seems a believable analysis. I've almost got caught out once or twice by staring in the mirror for too long. Not a similar situation, but a similar problem to fixating on the right when turning left behind another car who is slow to emerge, and almost rear ending them. Got to keep looking at where you're actually going!

[@PedroConejo1939]

There's a similar scenario to this that I see quite often on motorways and dual-carriageways, where a driver intends to pass a slower vehicle (van or truck in particular because they obstruct the view ahead) and doesn't pull out soon enough. They get so close to the slower vehicle that they can't see ahead and change lane sharply only to find that the presumed space has disappeared due to slowing traffic. As you say, it's poor planning, fixating on the gaps in the next lane and yes, sometimes it's due to gap-closers. This NASCAR/F1 trick just doesn't work on motorways.

[@sb1056sb]

Not all bus stops are on the left. Some are in the middle of duel carriageways where the bus has it separate track down the middle. One example is A641 Manchester Road leading into Bradford. And you still need to be aware of pedestrians running for those busses. Ok am aware of this goes off today’s topic.

[@kennethgilham5273]

some buses do not have those stop sings that you can sea when driving behind them but you always expect them to stop at some point thats what you have to be prepared for

[@josephgluck9638]

learning to drive a bus now in london and always told to indicate 15 to 25 seconds before a bus stop when possible the stopping light came on and he didnt signal

[@BazColne]

Good situation to analyse.

[@RRaymer]

haha I used to take that bus, it runs from Birmingham to Wolverhampton, X8 and and the 70

[@gavjlewis]

Can't see through windows on our buses as they are covered in advertisements. As they have displays on the back anyway adding "Bus stopping" shouldn't be too difficult.

[@cargy930]

Great idea in principle, but doesn't work well in practice: Kids (and even adults) often ring the bell for no reason when they're bored.

[@scottlaaa]

Not to mention that occasionally the bell will jam and constantly illuminate the stopping light. You keep pulling over before you realise this has happened after you’ve spotted no one has pressed it 😂

[@p.a.1675]

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler. A bus can be stopping to let passengers off but also on. Having the "Bus stopping" sign on the back might make some drivers behind rely on it too much and not pay attention to the actual Stop lights. Personally, I always anticipate the bus to stop at any time and try to position myself accordingly.

[@seraphina985]

@@p.a.1675 As you should and of course it is also important to remember that unless you are familiar with every routes time table you also have no idea where the timing stages are. As such they could simply pull in at the next stop simply because they are ahead of schedule.

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

I just leave a generous distance in general, and especially for the more risky vehicles like tractors, trailers, lorries, Learners, buses etc. Saw someone tailgate a Learner in front of me, and the erratic flashing of the brake lights on them. If you're going to tailgate a learner, what do you expect but to have to brake irregularly? You're only encouraging them to drive slower. They are going to be constantly checking their central mirror, so they are likely to lose focus on how smoothly they press the pedals.

[@neiltrevatt]

When you say about people living down there at 4.12 is that a cemetery we are looking at opposite

[@ProgRock_]

Oh wow, I used to work at the domino's there, it's on those row of shops on the right. This is in Birmingham on the Hagley Road not far from Halesowen.

[@andrewnorris5415]

Almost as shocking as finding yourself on the cam! I had a dream after I made a small mistake one day - that Ash filmed it and was talking about it on his channel. It was shocking to see myself suddenly appear on the screen.

[@regmemer9198]

Wow.

[@ProgRock_]

@@andrewnorris5415 I've seen my self from another person's camera on the UK Dashcam compilation channel, there was an accident between a lorry and a BMW where you can see me witnessing it in front of me. I stopped to give the BMW my contact details as a witness for his insurance. When I was watching it I could not believe it was that very same accident in the compilation and that you can see me in it hahaha.

[@ProgRock_]

@@andrewnorris5415 it was this clip at 7:56 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioemgWBpnr57q8k

[@ThePhoenix109]

@@ProgRock_ show us the video

[@michaeledwards4151]

I use good braking distance but the problem i find on duel carriage ways and motorways is other road users use my braking distance gap and change lanes into it and have to slow down to get good braking distance back

[@vonpupees]

thoughts on the space left before joining the lane. sure the driver had the reactions to stop but should you not leave more space?

[@DirigiblePlum69]

2 second gap in dry weather, maybe 3 seconds for night driving. Some people don't though,.

[@thomascarroll9556]

I’m aware of the “Bus stopping” sign and usage from travelling on buses, but never even thought to look for them whilst driving, but I’d never get that close to a bus, probably wouldn’t have moved to the left in the first place. TBH (viewing on IPad I found it hard to see the sign on the replay, and I missed the pedestrian completely. Food for thought. Maybe buses should have an additional bus stopping sign on rear of the vehicle.

[@WonkyTonkBotty]

Whoa, Kidderminster/Stourbridge? That's local to me! And yeah, I hate Hagley Road/Hagley Road West (the road where this happens) with a passion.

[@Knightyme]

In Adelaide, South Australia, the buses don't have back windows, so we cant see the 'stop' light up. Perhaps buses should have a light on the back that lights up when the bus is going to make a stop to let passengers off. They are often blue (or were when I last caught a bus here), so if a blue light is on in the back of the bus, cars know it will be stopping at the next stop, and change lanes early if possible. Not much can be done about picking up passengers, in regards to early notice.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

Perhaps motorists should give a good space to the vehicles in front and anticipate that buses will stop and that people will alight. Try slowing down and giving a good space, then no matter what type of vehicle it is you have more time to think/react, plan what you want to do and anticipate whether vulnerable road users muight be in the vicinity. God forbid you just slow down and wait behind when the brake lights come on!

[@Knightyme]

@@ynotnilknarf39 but ... that makes sense, we cant have sensible things like stopping space, where will it end? Everyone being courteous on the roads? Heresy I say.

[@Blaze85gaming]

Just got my catalytic converter stolen 😪 Anything I can do to stop this from happening in the future @Ashley? Great video as always

[@pauljohnson2530]

A tilt alarm or when you get the cat replaced, ask the garage to weld a wire mesh over it. Might cost a couple of quid but a damn sight cheaper than a new cat every few months.

[@MK-1973]

I believe you can get a cat lock fitted?

[@Blaze85gaming]

@@pauljohnson2530 i see, appreciate it bro

[@Blaze85gaming]

@@MK-1973 yeah i heard about those but arent they kinda expensive i heard u can just buy a skid plate and fit it under but that wud be a hassle to clean i guess haha

[@Strider9655]

This is one of those moves that people do to avoid being blocked from changing lanes, I bet the car behind the Honda was closing the gap.

[@dwayner901]

5:35, those famous words that Ashley and his pupils use... "It's a Delta." 😉😂😂😂

[@jugglerjim01]

I think that somehing you have missed in the analysis is that the camera being in the centre of the windscreen gives it a view from further left than the driver. The driver would have had even less of a view of the pedestrian than the few seconds the camera shows, if he could have seen them at all in the dark.

[@Snowbever]

"Luckily gets away with it the very last minute". I think you meant second :P

[@SurgeDashcam]

Second doesn't quite cut it either! More like millimetre!

[@johnbower7452]

I'm going to be honest here and say I've never thought of looking for the 'bus stopping' sign; part of my problem though is where I live I know the bus routes (I used them all for 20+ years till I got a car again) and know where the stops are; so instead plan round that. Am I wrong?

[@piciu256]

I have no idea if I would have avoided the crash in this situation, I know though that I would have handled it differently- slowed down much earlier. Will probably know sometime in the future as similar situations are quite common.

[@Keithbarber]

For every crash, there are god knows how many near misses, if I said 1,000,001, that would be inaccurate

[@Keithbarber]

@RoseTintedWindscreen that's not one of my jokes Head over to my channel for my good funny jokes

[@sn5837]

All buses should have a universal "now stopping" linked externally whenever a passenger hits the stop button

[@ynotnilknarf39]

1st one is a typical MGIF, add in bad planning/reacting (as in waited too long to move back to the right lane) and then trying to slot in far too close. I wouldn't give any plaudits for not smacking the back of the car, it was more luck than design, a scenario that never gets to having to slam the anchors on if they hadgiven just the smallest amount of thought as to what was occuring and what they wanted to do, and/or simply waited behind the bus til it moved off.

[@gwynwilliams4222]

In Sweden you are not allowed to overtake a bus when it is on bus stop and the results are great a lot less accidents

[@CraigNiel]

07:32 That bike shouldn't be overtaking on zig-zags approaching a pedestrian crossing. As for buses, I assume they're going to stop at every bus stop then you can't be surprised by it. A stop light is not always an indication as someone standing at the bus stop can cause it to pull in too.

[@seraphina985]

They can also pull in for no outwardly visible reason if they reach a timing stage ahead of schedule too.

[@CraigNiel]

@@seraphina985 Indeed, always best to be prepared.

[@leejohnson3209]

To be fair to the camer, I could have made those mistakes too and I like to think I'm pretty good at assessing situations and avoiding problems before they happen.

[@ResevoirGod]

Why did the traffic on the roundabout give way to the left?

[@scottlaaa]

That’s a first for me I’ve never seen the give way road markings to tell traffic from the right to give way? I would imagine that it causes all types of confusion especially when people are so used to giving way to their right at roundabouts.

[@ResevoirGod]

@@scottlaaa Didn’t even clock the road markings until I went back and looked again, very strange set up!

[@scottlaaa]

@@ResevoirGod i was shocked to see it, I thought it wasn’t a roundabout because that car stopped. then when i read your comment I watched again and the road signs clearly show it’s a roundabout it’s a very strange road layout.

[@christianbuczko1481]

The pedestrian made the mistake, theres a crossing a few feet up the road. Cam car should have been ready to stop behind the bus, not trying to rush moving out.

[@alane7903]

The pedestrian did not make any mistake. Firstly, pedestrians have a right to be there and to cross (car drivers are there by licence); secondly there is no test for being a pedestrian, so no rule-set that they must learn and obey (yes, the HC has recommendations for them, but this is not a rule-set they are required to learn and pass a test on, unlike car drivers); thirdly, there is no 'jay-walking' law in the UK (and long may that situation continue). It is entirely up to those bringing the danger to the roads, to cope with pedestrians exercising their right to cross. A pedestrian crossing to the bus-stop was entirely predictable and no motor vehicle driver/rider should have been unprepared for this.

[@dandixon7400]

I agree that the pedestrian made the mistake by crossing there, but for me the pedestrian was waiting patiently until the honda stopped and flashed the headlights to cross.

[@christianbuczko1481]

@@alane7903 he should of used the crossing, but he was rushing to catch a bus though so did something dangerous. He's lucky he wasnt flattened or cause an accident.

[@christianbuczko1481]

@@dandixon7400i think that would make the honda partly liable in a crash, id bet the cammers insurance would blame him for stopping while over taking the bus in a 2 lane road. Traffic has right of way and the crossing is provided for that purpose.

[@jaj2374]

@@christianbuczko1481 FYI no insurance company in the UK would find the Honda in any way liable. I have worked in insurance claims for many years and if there had been a crash, the cammer would have been found 100% at fault. As for the pedestrian you could argue them crossing was dangerous, but they have broken no laws and I've never seen a claim where the pedestrian was found to blame in any way. Car drivers have a much higher duty of care to pedestrians than the other way around.

[@sassyboofle6983]

Good send in for the cammer and yes we could deliberate all day and maybe we would all do something different . Personally I would not have moved left stayed behind the white car but far back enough to see . Then it would have made no difference and after bus then move over . Again though hindsight is a wondrous thing .👍

[@davidtanslow3584]

It's debatable why the council has failed to provide the buses with proper laybyes on a main road such as this!! Hate it when vans and buses stop to load but are referred to as parked. They are not parked!!

[@skylarius3757]

If I am the 1st vehicle behind the bus and there are times where if i can't pass the bus, then then i will position myself so that I can see the drivers mirror so that the driver knows it's safe to move off.

[@Near2Future]

My question is, even tho the dashcam picked up on the pedestrian. Could the driver see it or would the white car be blocking it along with with A piller. I don't think in my eyes that he could see this pedestrian due to the fact just how close he was to the white car. If he stayed back maybe it would have given himself a better view. Either way, the pedestrian made this situation dangerous & if that white car wasn't paying attention which unfortunately is quite common. It would have been more serious, i didn't see the pedestrian until the last second due to what he's wearing. This could have been avoided with a bigger space cushion. Then checking your mirrors and anticipating the bus is gonna stop.

[@skylarius3757]

I don't understand why people have to cross the road in and unsafe manor and also within 10m of a pedestrian crossing.

[@broadsword6650]

Good tip about the bus “Stopping” light. Wouldn’t it be useful if that light was properly repeated on the rear of buses to tell following traffic that it is about to use the next stop? Given the weight of traffic (reasonable, flowing) and other circumstances (dark, bus ahead) in the cammer clip I don’t think I’d have moved to the left at that point in those circumstances. It didn’t help anyone else and just made it more difficult for the cammer. And finally, let’s have a word about the pedestrian. The current official policy seems to be that pedestrians are never in the wrong no matter how daft their actions, and this was particularly daft. We all need to be aware of that our actions have potential serious consequences, whether we are walking, riding or driving.

[@cargy930]

The problem comes when kids on school buses keep pressing the bell fo fun. The sign would never be off.

[@broadsword6650]

@@cargy930 Good point, but I don’t see the external light being activated by passengers but rather by the driver.

[@cargy930]

@@broadsword6650 Unfortunately bus drivers are as lazy as (if not worse) than the next person, and probably wouldn't use it!

[@broadsword6650]

@@cargy930 Strange statement. They are generally good and courteous drivers who have to put up with a lot of rubbish from others making their job harder. If they found that an early warning helped avoid problems they’d use it alright. If we choose to think that signals on vehicles are pointless because some drivers are lazy then we might as well not bother with any at all! We have to trust that most people will do the right thing most of the time.

[@cargy930]

@@broadsword6650 I should point out that I speak as a bus driver! Like every other type of licence holder, there are those that just "phone it in"!

[@derekheeps1244]

Re comments about camera car : the pedestrian was ENTIRELY at fault : there was a pedestrian crossing just a few yards further down the road ; it might not be popular , but I still say white car ought to have hit that pedestrian rather than risk a rear end collision ; driver was not at fault ; pedestrian was ; if he/she'd been knocked down then they could have been brought to account . If they were killed , no fault would have been ascribed to driver of white car . A friend of mine hit a 3 year old boy who ran out in front of him from between two parked cars ( he was not speeding , there was a line of cars along the road ; he had no chance to stop ) full on police investigation found my friend blameless ; even the boy;s parents agreed . It was a tragic accident . I also remember ( vaguely ) being that small boy when , as a pre school child ) I somehow got out on my own and crossed Falkirk High Street ; when my parents asked how I got across the road , I answered ' The cars just stopped " ! I'm still here to all the tale , my parents are both departed , but i remember the horror on their faces when I said that !

[@yuenkentsang9446]

Its honda driver flashing lights. Again to him to cross

[@justanotherviewer4821]

Also, if you are a pedestrian don't be a dick... use the provided crossings. This doesn't change anything for drivers that must anticipate these things but far too many people walking out in the road right next to a crossing - doesn't matter the type of crossing either - getting far too common place these days and risking the chance of getting hit by a car just to get the bus or to cross the road saving 3 minutes just isn't worth it! In this case, buses have timetables, plan your journey... from your mobile... if you miss the bus or might be missing the bus, just get the next one. They are either frequent enough that it isn't too inconvenient or you get there extra early to make sure you get it.

[@problemchild1976]

People don’t look past the end of their own bonnets and have no idea what’s going on around them

[@EP3mentalist]

That's a limited edition civic too, only 600 made in 09&10. The guy would have gone nuclear lol

[@1066gaz]

Making buses with no rear window at the bottom now so you cannot see people getting up to get off, making it that bit harder to predict when it's going to stop.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

No it doesn't, buses stop all the time, if you are the correct distance back and travelling at correct speed (lower than the limit), then there is no issue even if the buses brake lights have failed. This is all about failure of drivers to understand safety properly.

[@1066gaz]

@@ynotnilknarf39 I have already mentioned about keeping your distance in another comment on this video. If your in a slow to stationary traffic jam behind a bus you will be closer than usual and a bottom window in a bus would give some benefit to most motorists.

[@Zulisian]

Don't live too far from there, just up the Wolverhampton Road. He must have been inches away from that bumper....O_o

[@mjradar]

I did notice the pedestrian crossing yards away from where the idiot crossed the road some just can't wait to it's safe to cross.

[@meh276]

Agree with all this, but there are busses In some areas where you cannot see inside to see the stopping light come on. Simple solution is don't drive too close. The pedestrian however needs shooting. Darting across the road yards from a crossing is suicidal. Obviously she wanted to catch the bus, but playing chicken with traffic is idiotic. Use the crossing, it's why it's there

[@elainereeves7364]

brilliant ash keep em coming

[@paski5113]

Can I just point out the black car tailgating the ambulance

[@Alan_Clark]

He obviously hasn't seen Ashley's video on that subject!

[@paski5113]

@@Alan_Clark i did just pointing it out as dont seem he noticed or anyone for that matter

[@davidrumming4734]

Personally I would have slowed behind that bus sooner....giving myself more time.

[@DirigiblePlum69]

Same

[@Alan_Clark]

There seems to be plenty of room to make a lay-by for the bus stop, which would make driving easier and prevent this sort of problem.

[@ashley_neal]

They have started filling in lay-by's as nobody lets buses out from them!

[@B34RHunter]

@@ashley_neal Aren't you required to give way to buses in Britain? Here where I live in Finland you need to give way to buses from lay-bys if the speed limit is 60km/h or less.

[@cargy930]

@@B34RHunter Sadly it's just advice in the UK Highway code, and most drivers ignore it because they can.

[@Asto508]

@@ashley_neal That's a terrible solution, wow.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@Asto508 So what solution do you think can be put in place when arrogant/selfish motorists won't cede?

[@linedwell]

I'd have just waited behind the bus. Even if it sits there for 2 minutes, 2 minutes is nothing in the grand scheme. Theres people and often kids getting on and off, stepping out in front of the bus etc. Just easier for me to stop and wait, besides, If I'm not moving, I'm unlikely to drive into someone getting off the bus.

[@Asto508]

It's usually not even 30 seconds for the busses in my area. Overtaking busses only really works if you are the first car behind it and the bus just stopped. If you arrive later, it already takes off while you attempt to overtake in most cases and you just make your and the bus driver's life unnecessary complicated.

[@seraphina985]

@@Asto508 Timing stages are generally the only places buses wait much longer than that as those are generally the only stops where the bus has to wait for their scheduled departure time.

[@thedoctor007dfw]

Just for fun, I'd love it if after the initial clip we had the Marvel Studios intro and fanfare instead of Ashley's. Only as a one off for a laugh 😂👍

[@supervitz7178]

Looks like a nice Type R, glad it will live to die another day.

[@thesilverydragon]

4:10 Ashley... I'm pretty sure ghosts don't take the bus. ;)

[@julieaylward7033]

Good to see you are getting into the spirit of the video....

[@cargy930]

@@julieaylward7033 Spooken like a true punster.

[@loganwatkins97]

Did he know that there was a zebra crossing which caused the Civic to stop..

[@derekheeps1244]

Pedestrian running across road was at fault ; had I been car in front I would have given horn warning to pedestrian ; it is incumbent on anyone braking to consider following traffic before braking ; following traffic is NOT automatically at fault . Hitting , but not killing , pedestrian would have been most just outcome since they would then have been held to account .

[@EvoBeard]

Damaging a Championship White Type-R is like spitting on a Honda Bible. Lucky cammer didn't hit it! 😁

[@sirkermy450]

Let's just point out how stupid that pedestrian is. Running out in traffic, right next to a crossing. Them being late for their bus, almost caused an accident.

[@1066gaz]

The more distance you keep from other vehicles the less mistakes you will make. It's not rocket science.