Asian Liberals VS Asian Conservatives...WHO WON?

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[@NattyGymBro]

I can't stand people who constantly view themselves as victims.

[@angru_arches]

It's the currency in the West now....that's why you see a bunch of Asians, the most successful demography in America fighting hard to be seen as VICTIMS.

[@michaeljohnmagistrado1166]

True. It's the constant whining -- i don't want be around all that negativity.

[@NattyGymBro]

@David Niyoyita this is one of the few places where people can come from nothing and make something for themselves. I can almost guarantee that I and everyone around me had a tougher upbringing than most if not all of the people on that panel and we're appreciative of every opportunity afforded to us in this country.

[@GiRR007]

Honestly its to their own detriment in the long run as the kind of people who believe themselves to be perpetual victims are also the ones who get demotivated by that ideology and refuse to strive for anything.

[@invictusbey3543]

U would say that because ur a Foreigner u children wasn't used as alligator bait. And u know what the bad part is u come to someone's Country and not one time said who are these Americans and I'm not talking about Native American. Before u talk show some respect because we didn't come to ur Country. Webster Dictionary 1828 Definition of American and learn something.

[@devansh6265]

People who can't even speak their mother tongue are up in arms about assimilation , Bro you are already there , you have assimilated 🤣🤣

[@SeeHang]

i think what people get wrong about assimilation is that it’s only a one time event in life and it only applies to the first generation of that population. the rest of the generations are just dealing with the aftermath. people often make a simple thing complicated.

[@Drownedinblood]

So..they should give up and just accept it? If they are this up in arms they should do more to learn more about themselves.

[@changbooger]

lol this is because the people crying about assimilation are white washed, who adopted the western victim mentality, so obviously not a lot of them will speak their parents tongue.................. its a shame really...... sad too.... to see a bunch of asians repeating the propaganda of white progressives

[@davadh]

These people probably will never pick up a book written in their mother writing

[@theia1653]

I can, but I would never allow my kids to, because it's still not enough.

[@geserbgalt]

In Mongolian, we have an adage "ᠤᠰᠤ ᠶᠢ ᠨᠢ ᠤᠤᠭᠤᠪᠠᠯ᠂ ᠶᠣᠰᠣ ᠶᠢ ᠨᠢ ᠳᠠᠭ᠎ᠠ" that vaguely translates to "If you're drinking the water, you should follow the tradition". You can be proud of your own heritage and culture, but if you're someone of immigrant descent, assimilation is unavoidable.

[@kev3d]

Good expression. And true.

[@komlat253]

I guess that water is a necessity for survival, and culture is not . Why deny water to someone who is law abiding? Should u not deny the water from a criminal? People should assimilate to laws not to every holiday , it's alittle pointless and immoral really . But even the bottom earning immigrant makes the life of u as an Asian, more easy .

[@teopalafox]

@@komlat253 if you want to integrate with the culture, you must, or there will never be any unity.

[@komlat253]

@David A what does that even mean ? Do u think the black community and the white community or rich and poor share the same culture? Like over 80 percent of Americans are culturally Christian and celebrate Christmas but I don't celebrate that holiday .you telling me that I'm not integrated in the the nation?. Desiring to be American and speak English and obay laws are the only requirements for integrating. What ever u do in your home is your problem. U don't need to celebrate the same holidays are carry the same cultural norms to live in one society. U only have to be aware of other people when u go out.... Not to mention America is the strongest nation in the world and have the best position for marketing business to the world .clearly being multi cultural is a plus

[@komlat253]

@David A u can unit with people over being American simple. Yall say that no one can do it yet, must immigrants and Americans do it just fine. There are only a minority of people who seem to not be able .no one wants to hear a select few people make their problem,everyone else. Black and native American have literally been living in someone else culture forever, we have no problem with it as long as we are treated right ,when we see other people that want to come in and share then we literally don't care as long as we get along . I've lived always in a white neighborhood and I have many friends from overseas, we all did it just fine and I never thought anything of it ,so my question is, why can't u ? My best friends are native American, Ukraine, Mexican Kenyan and Korean, we were all literally in ROTC together as kids . Considering me and my native friend are the only ones with parents from America, I think we do fine u understanding each other. Most people coming to America blind in . Illhan Omar is a perfect example. They came here fighting for freedom more than some of these crazy people do that are American

[@aitothechamp7263]

I would never be so arrogant to go to Korea or some other Asian country and expect everyone else to be like me. I would have to assimilate and that’s the way it should be.

[@RaveyDavey]

You go to Japan and they won't even let you assimilate in the way that Americans will. Very hard to break through to true acceptance in Japan to the point where they see you as an equal

[@TheStepmonkey]

Exactly

[@dathunderman4]

Americans do though. There was this American soldier who assaulted a store owner for not knowing English (look up the news story). Also, Americans go to Asian countries all the time and don’t speak a lick of the language, and never bother assimilating into the culture.

[@travis1271]

@@dathunderman4 that’s like tourist in general they don’t bother to learn a lick of the language

[@secrets.295]

@@dathunderman4 Speaking English as a tourist is fine. It's a global language that people all over the world use. Even Asians speak English when they travel to a non English countries. If you live there though you should learn the language. I see a lot of expats in South East Asia who didn't put any effort to learn the local language because people there can at least speak decent English.

[@MedalionDS9]

You may not wanna hear it, but if you go somewhere beyond your original racial country of origin... yes, assimilation is expected of you... maybe not entirely erasing your original cultural identity but... don't go to places if you don't want to change to that society. You just want the perks without working to fit in with the community... that don't fly, even if the reverse were the situation.

[@johnkawakami8395]

In the recent past, the rule was to erase cultural identity. That's what it meant. It meant not only POC acting like English people, but also all the ethnic white people acting like English people. (And this is in the US!) I get it that people shouldn't go somewhere expecting to change the society there, but look at who has done this the most: the English, and now, Americans. These are the two largest empire in world history.

[@metaempiricist]

@@johnkawakami8395 Lmao so tell me what country america has gone to and expected them to change their culture to accommodate the american...oh wait. Liberals are going all over and telling people to be more gay and more trans...is that what you mean?

[@Hoodie403]

@@johnkawakami8395 Emphasis on "in the past". That may have been the case at one point but that's no longer the case.

[@brightfaith8403]

Vince spoke nothing but facts…. Everyone triggered that he spoke truth😂

[@buzztube1738]

Nah that indian guy was more factual

[@radicalrikki-oh4323]

I'm a Conservative Asian because of gun rights. Without guns for the people , tyrannical governments can crush us, if the Hong Kong citizens had guns, their people who still be able to protest. Gun rights ensure free speech.

[@BDAILY365]

Lots of us Asian are gun owners and conservative in California. We just haven't really been involved with politics. Social media is definitely giving us a platform to be more visible/vocal! We escaped communism, so we won't be supporting communism/socialism in the USA.

[@aquamarinemintakangoddess9073]

Agree same for my country Venezuela, They removed the right to bear arms from the constitution and people are being murdered just for protesting.

[@teopalafox]

Don’t mistake me for a Lenin supporter, but know your enemy etc. He said a man with 1 gun can control 100 men.

[@ezekieltete6584]

People with guns won’t stop the US military which is the most powerful military in the world from crushing you

[@radicalrikki-oh4323]

@@ezekieltete6584 The US Military can not eliminate every single person who resists. Yes they have superior fire power and can destroy entire cities in under 15 minutes, but they can't crush the will of individuals. Most likely the US Military will never go as far as to go against it's own citizens because the US Military is not controlled by any one political party, it is controlled by congress and the people. Also with 4 major branches of Military and 2 minor branches, plus all those who serve in the US Military have friends and family who remain US Citizens, there's a very low chance our very own will every really have the complete nerve to go against normal US Citizens.

[@Ezero8]

The "Ben Lee Shapiro" comment had me dying 🤣🤣🤣

[@Mikgwerd]

Coming soon on Christmas at a Chinese restaurant near you! 😆

[@KevinLe]

I’m first generation and assimilation was something we wanted but we never said, “hey, let’s just let go of our heritage and our traditions to take on this new one.” We adapted and when it came to co-existing with other people, we just did. This idea that “if we assimilate, we’re becoming twinkies” is only bothersome to those who only see “race”. We came to America to thrive and to be left the F alone. Is that so hard?

[@findmeanewplanet]

And that's the key, you came here to thrive and be left alone. That's a luxury others have asked for and have been denied.

[@songcramp66]

@@findmeanewplanet Mostly because they came from backgrounds that don't value education as much. Asian cultures value education so they tend to succeed in Western society. Cultures, regardless of race, that don't value education as much, tend to end up with a lot of crime and poverty.

[@anastasia-fr1gn]

@@findmeanewplanet Who? According to Pew data immigrants from Africa have higher rates of having a bachelor’s degree or more than American born citizens.

[@xx_HI_xx7]

Dude, I'm a native and I just want to be left alone. It seems more and more that people constantly talk about assimilation, but other countries do the same thing, if not more extreme. Most countries require you to speak the language fluently and already have a job and a home before you get there, and before the years long waiting periods. America is now one of the easiest countries to enter, and it will only hurt my country.

[@MrRinoHunter]

I'm from Korea and I openly called myself a twinky. I vote and raise my children based on sound logic and family value. They will get good grades, my wife and I will make all effort to be good parents and provide for our children, we will teach our kids proper moral value and respect for their elders, and I will teach my kids how to shoot a gun so they will never be a victim.

[@Vyhox2000]

Something that many first generation Asian Americans live with is the recent history of poverty their families survived. I believe this is why so many Asian Americans are so hard working. But as the generations go on, that history will become more distant, and eventually forgotten. I fear this will lead to Asian Americans forgetting why they worked and fought so hard.

[@dtna]

I am a third generation asian american. My grandparents worked through hardships without any help from the federal government and they did ok. Despite being tossed into an interment camp by F.D.R. for three years.

[@ginNjus]

Yep. It called the illiberal education system. Vice is a product of them.

[@RicochetForce]

This implies that Americans that have been here long after their immigrant ancestors are lazy and deserve the poverty they find themselves in.

[@hsuehhs1]

@@dtnaso I guess you are against people who need government aid

[@ahmorgan]

@@dtna just 3 years? Call me after a few hundred

[@kalanil4096]

I was born and raised in China. When foreigners come to China and settle down, they assimilate local Chinese culture. That's not a unique thing that only Asian Americans have. That's how human beings survive and thrive in a new environment.

[@Baranello92]

Everyone on that panel is very assimilated. They are all acting very American 😂

[@neelmoudgil4962]

Yeahh exactly haha

[@gomon3]

assimiliation isn't becoming white but following the rules of society. Like go to the bathroom to do your business, not in the street. english is the prevalent language. at least learn, to communicate with others. stand in line. its more about manners.

[@azkavan1]

Definitions are very important. I think issues arise when we don’t even agree on the correct definition of the subject being debated over

[@Drownedinblood]

It's knowing the cultural norms whether you choose to follow them is up to you.

[@pkay2227]

From Britannica: assimilation, in anthropology and sociology, the process whereby individuals or groups of differing ethnic heritage are absorbed into the dominant culture of a society. The process of assimilating involves taking on the traits of the dominant culture to such a degree that the assimilating group becomes socially indistinguishable from other members of the society. As such, assimilation is the most extreme form of acculturation.

[@theia1653]

The best and most successful Asians that I know are the ones that are fully assimilated.

[@brianc21324]

The Asians I grew up with were conservative in the way they handled day to day life and their finances, but were progressive in the way they thought about social issues and fashion.

[@askandanswer1503]

They were safe cause they didn't actually care

[@thegreenwave6741]

@@mahadragon Bill Clinton came into office with a surplus. Plus, socialists spend more of other people's money through taxation and are for state controlled industries while being against privatized businesses. Tell me you're a socialist/communist without telling me you're a socialist communist. Also, not all Republicans are conservative, though most tend to be. Conservatism doesn't equate to being Republican. You just proved to everyone that not all Asians are smart. Good job.

[@uberboiz]

@@mahadragon You cherry picked your examples to support your argument that Progressive can manage the budget better. Why don't you tell us how big the US debt is under Biden?

[@metaempiricist]

@@mahadragon Lmao you forgot to mention that the liberals will always give all america's money away to foreign nations over climate change. They actually think they can pay the government to change the weather.

[@awnzotheman]

​@@askandanswer1503 care about what? What do they need to care about?

[@debede8296]

I will go search for Vince Dao and subscribe. He is based. Love him and his sense.

[@kevinbaldwin7805]

"The students that are picked by affirmative action are top-tier students. They are not just D-plus students that are getting picked just based on race. They already are performing at a very top level themselves." Ummm.... then they don't need affirmative action. Purple hair just made the argument against affirmative action while trying to make the case for affirmative action.

[@wrenchguy2937]

The girl with purple hair was way to disrespectful i feel. She was very loud with her opinions. Hard to get behind that

[@i3ananafoo]

So her personality was also worn as a costume?

[@wrenchguy2937]

@@i3ananafoo WhiTe peOple!!!!!!

[@tonybasilio7003]

She is in a state of confusion

[@rakoomboom8957]

She has purple hair that says it all.

[@breezyskies1800]

Well based on all the lame sexist comments about her here! We all really know what the problem is.She’s a beautiful Asian woman with purple hair who speaks her opinion and her oppressors can’t stand her for it!! Which btw she’s entitled to as an American citizen!!

[@vamingxiong4376]

It doesn't matter what country you move to. You will have to integrate or accept the difference. You don't have to forget your roots but you can start by learning and respecting the law of the land.

[@mikeluther60]

Any country you go to you’re gonna have to assimilate if you want to be successful. You have to learn language wherever you go.

[@fredyuen2489]

I consider myself politically conservative, I'm assimilated to American culture which is a good thing. But I love my Asian culture more than my American culture. The thing I really hate about assimilation is that I've lost my Asian culture can can't speak the cantonese, I don't want to be Americanized. I used to hate my American culture growing up as kid, the only part of my Asian culture I know is food. I think there should be a balance, you need to assimilate to the culture around you, but you need to keep your culture that your family came from.

[@shanekeenaNYC]

I am a 4th generation American whose family all came through Ellis Island. My family background is a tale of a boxing ring becajse it's got 4 corners. Corner number 1 is Irish, my family name. Corner number 2 is Italian, and the side of the family I am closest to. Corner number 3 is German, and I was heavily influenced by that side. Corner number 4 is scottich, and the side of the family that tried for me. For me, alcohol is a huge part of cultural identity, so I have a glass of wine with my pasta and I have the Jägerpass from my german side hard. I also love a great Guinness and I can down a decent scotch. Food underlies a ton of this stuff, but generally I love a good roast, rich flavors. The European flavor palette tends to be looked on as the "clean" palette, but every country has their guilty pleasure dishes and signiature dishes you feel terrible for even considering. There's then the issue of the Irish gangs, political machines, such as Tammany Hall, the Italian Mafia, such as the Cosa Nostra, Ndrhangetta, the Five Families/Commission. All of that plays a role in my decision making process in politics, because one must be master of their own domain, and not in the Seinfeld sense of the word. It is a wonder that my own Italian grandmother wasn't a typical New York italian liberal. It is a wonder my grandfather wasn't a typical Irish-Catholic, Joe Biden style democrat. If I can find things to latch on to, so can you.

[@fredyuen2489]

@@shanekeenaNYC I take what I like from American culture and what I like from my Chinese culture and throw them together to make them work. I find my Chinese culture very important because it’s where my family came from, I as I said before grew up eating the food only thing I don’t have is the language. That’s what I need do next is learn how to speak my family’s mother tongue. I vote republican because I don’t like the identity politics behind the left as well as how they have a history of saying Asian people have white privilege. I think that Joe Biden is full of shit and running an agenda saying that minorities matter when he really doesn’t mean that and is a racist since he supported and called a former kkk member his friend and mentor. And my economic views match the right as well.

[@ShamanMcLamie]

To me my Filipino heritage didn't matter that much. I was born and raised in America, raised with American culture, values and sensibilities. I'm an American through and through and I just accept the fact that I'm American and not Filipino. To me it seems like an awful waste of effort and energy to try and be something I'm fundamentally not and I'd feel absolutely phony trying to do so.

[@dondieseliman654]

@@ShamanMcLamie excerpt you’re not fully seen as American either l. Go to a white majority area, you’ll be the token Asian friend to them.

[@fredyuen2489]

@@hanmoehtet what do you mean by that? The west coast is my home, I’ve been on the west coast my whole life. If you’re one of those racist telling me to go back to China at least be more straight forward about it, don’t be a pussy. There’s nothing I hate more than a racist who’s too much of a pussy to at least say it. I’m still American enough to bluntly say it how it is to someone as well as vote for republican. So go fuck your self. You

[@kingsking2816]

Vince won …the rest are crazy except the bald guy

[@debede8296]

Vish is his name. And the Taiwanese lady behind him.

[@christinetran491]

Didn't like vince but Vish made more sense to me

[@SmallTownResident]

That Bangladeshi dude and the Korean girl clearly have never had to defend their ideas. It’s so hilarious watching them get triggered as soon as they receive the slightest push back.

[@hiphipjorge5755]

Well she lives in Washington and he's from New York, they're from the most solidly liberal environments in the country. This is why I like being from Nevada, we're a good mix of liberal and Conservative politics

[@jimeagle5509]

The guy w the green shirt is insecure on a level he might not recover from ……..

[@sthavjay]

For me, he is the most annoying sh*t among panelists and that so-called korean lady.

[@metaslavegaming9075]

That was a guy?

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

Even if you disagree with the Conservative Asian dude, he was at least more composed and articulate. The Liberals were all hysterical.

[@dtanx8978]

Jubilee recently posted a video on African Americans VS Africans and the African American's responses are very similar to Vice's Asian American's.

[@IndefatigableYT]

I'm Asian, my mother pushed me down the Asian pathway. Do STEM, if you do STEM, there are no debates, you can work hard, and you are either right or wrong, your inability to "fit in" and converse doesn't matter as much. But the thing is, if you want to succeed at the highest levels, you need to be able to communicate and understand people. I reject the assumption that the language of business, is "white". There is more than one path to success in life, but fitting into corporate America, is a code, you have to assimilate, and no one cares if you are White, Black, Asian, etc. They care if you know the code.

[@theoyancey]

It's not even a question, my man in the suit was more civil, level-headed and logical than the liberals in the room

[@lafxcraft]

No he wasn't. He didn't even substantiate any point he raised and was wrong on his opinions in like 20 instances.

[@theoyancey]

@@lafxcraft wrong on his opinions? According to who?

[@lafxcraft]

@@theoyancey According to reality lol. What do you mean who?

[@Rometor]

@@lafxcraft you go ratioed so no he was level headed in the real world not your world

[@TheHaas123]

The guy in the suit is Vince Dao and he’s a W

[@jimeagle5509]

The purple-hair girl has nothing to offer. Absolutely. Nothing. She’ll never be successful. Ever. Thanks ~Jim Eagle

[@jackeemunduah9576]

You may not agree with her BUT her success is NOT up to you.

[@hopegaming5710]

@@jackeemunduah9576 I agree with jim eagle the purple hair shud listen for God sake she has purple hair for an Asian

[@metaslavegaming9075]

​@@jackeemunduah9576 she ain't reading this bro

[@GeeDubz13]

Great topics and conversations to have and start a dialogue to elicit the vast perspectives different people have; the catch however is for people to actually have a constructive conversation instead of just knocking down others who don't believe in what they believe in and/or entrenched in defending their own position without having an open mind to even listen to another persons perspective. Thank you for addressing the elephant in the room; you guys are awesome!

[@pengz6602]

Enjoyed your guys for a few years now, also a fellow husky. Love the new talk show/ podcast format even more

[@theoyancey]

Assimilation, doesn't mean throwing your native culture out but it does mean respecting the culture, rules and laws of the place you moved to. If I move to Ghana, I don't expect them to cater to my American way of life or to respect me bitching about how Ghana does things

[@ricosuave7102]

The Fung bros are so far left it’s insane. It’s a reaction video to only a few peoples opinions. If you hit the streets and asked these same questions to all Asian ethnicities the answers would be so different. From my experience old school Asians are mostly conservative especially if they are from a communist country. Asian Americans save for a small minority are off the charts left for whatever reasons. I love them because I think that if they stick together with the Hispanic population they would be much better off since it would increase their presence by the millions. It seems everyone is fight for lost causes.

[@airframer120]

They have to or else they’ll get cancelled 😂

[@clownworld360]

its always lost causes for genetic failures 😂

[@Victor-it6bv]

Conservative for the win

[@ashmedai32]

The liberals should start listening and stop interrupting 😂😂😂

[@liarson4430]

The conservatives should stop spewing untruth BS then maybe there won't be any interruption.

[@SoPiPz]

These liberal Asians have no facts, all feelings.

[@pkay2227]

From Britannica: assimilation, in anthropology and sociology, the process whereby individuals or groups of differing ethnic heritage are absorbed into the dominant culture of a society. The process of assimilating involves taking on the traits of the dominant culture to such a degree that the assimilating group becomes socially indistinguishable from other members of the society. As such, assimilation is the most extreme form of acculturation.

[@jonjonboi3701]

Obviously the conservatives won in this debate. I love it when Vince was triggering these leftists

[@somps]

By the way, thanks Fung Bros!

[@johnclark1146]

Just because you guys have this excellent show going on is a testament to “the times they are a’changin”. Assimilation on my view point - of course but that’s universal. Soooooo carry on and bring the changes.

[@Luckster90716]

More government is never the answer

[@shanayaranashetty]

It’s interesting to me because I was opened to some new trains of thought from the original video and this video. I see your point on assimilation and why it’s a difficult topic. Assimilation to me is adhering to the culture enough to be able to work, socialize and thrive whilst retaining personal values and culture from the motherland. Most Asian Americans who were born here are already given this life set up but despite that, the lines are blurry and difficult with a society that focuses so much on race.

[@ShamanMcLamie]

What you described is integration. Just enough to operate in that broader society, but not actually be seen as part of that broader society and remain separate and distinct. Assimilation is when that group has almost completely adopted the broader culture. How many people can you pick out from a crowd and say they're German American, or Irish American? It's very likely they have both Irish and German heritage. That is assimilation. When culturally you are indistinguishable from the broader society.

[@Jojo_Ojo_14]

I don’t think anyone was supposed to win. Pretty sure the objective was to get their voices heard.

[@Firebert79TA]

People who can't make a coherent argument are the losers. Purple hair girl complains that not all asians should be lumped together when considering disproportionate asian achievement across different metrics, but has no problem dumbing down existing majority culture to simply "white people." When she cites internment (the most extreme form of separation) as an example of assimilation, she's disqualified her own argument. So many of the left's responses are emotional indignation without the ability to address the actual argument being made.

[@louisvilleslugger6806]

Most 30 year old Asian people are first generation Americans. By the 3rd generation Asian Americans are adults Asians will have a big piece of the pie. The job of the first generation was to establish a foundation. Most second generation Asians are in high school to college now.

[@SeeHang]

😂 first generation means they are the first to arrive here. if you’re born here you’re 2nd generation. fun fact the hmong people who arrived in the late 70’s were the biggest wave of asian immigrants. sure there were other types of asians coming too the usa, but they did not come in as big of a wave as the hmong people. i don’t think your facts are facts 😂 seems a bit off but i think i know what you mean

[@louisvilleslugger6806]

@@SeeHang ahh I see what your saying. I thought it was first generation born in America. I haven’t encountered a Hmong community is Southern California. I see several large concentrations of Filipinos, Vietnamese, Korean, and Chinese.

[@kenmasters916]

A liberal asian is an oxymoron...

[@kenmasters916]

@@miliba if you have to ask why then we know you are unaware

[@ejbosco219]

You guys are great!!!! I enjoyed and subscribed.

[@brucebruc3]

Conservatives win

[@samuelon2733]

Religion was the driving factor is building a community and country. Now that people don't believe in religious and countries begin to diverge to become secular. Now its more difficult to work together lifestyle wise. It comes with pros and cons.

[@RicochetForce]

Religion was the root cause of the worst ethnic cleansing purges in human history. Slaughtering people because they didn't believe in your magic book, or your ideas of "civilization". As the world has become more secular it has also become more rational. Wars are at an all-time low, and superstition (read: magical thinking) is also on the decline.

[@TheHaas123]

Exactly

[@harveylin3548]

Yup! People underplay the importance of religion. However something can be said our modern economic systems are pseudo-religions.

[@JohnSmith-jl2mh]

Asian men and women have to go through different situations because Asian women are accepted in the society, but Asian men have always been bashed and humiliated.

[@MichelleJaelin]

Did you not hear the part when she said Asian women in America are often sex workers? That is not “accepted in society” if you’re seen as a means to provide sexual pleasure to men. Women (as a whole) also experience violence at a disproportionately higher rate than men. Stats on violence against Asian women are even higher, higher than all other WOC groups (with the exception of maybe Indigenous/Native American women). Those women are your Asian mom, aunts, sisters, daughters, women cousins… sad I have to put it this way to get Asian brothers to understand us.

[@MrRinoHunter]

I'm from Korea and I openly called myself a twinky. I vote and raise my children based on sound logic and family value. They will get good grades, my wife and I will make all effort to be good parents and provide for our children, we will teach our kids proper moral value and respect for their elders, and I will teach my kids how to shoot a gun so they will never be a victim.

[@stormstriker2000]

teach them buddhism

[@GeneralNachos]

Assimilation is a MUST. I see a lot of people always claiming something is white, but in reality, it is just American. Many times, I see people claiming some things are about race, but in reality, it is about values. Many foreigners get it and assimilate to American value while keeping their heritage, but then on the opposite end, there are America born people that fail to assimilate to their own communities because they don't have America values and focus on how they are excluding themselves because they are refusing to adjust to a society and instead want the society to adjust to them. It's ironic because a large part of American culture places importance on individuality. However, I feel that a lot of people that fail to assimilate let their individuality grow into greedy narcissism.

[@brainxtc2171]

Assimilation is of course important, but you can lose your soul.

[@afckajjansi]

What are American values? I don't see you white people assimilating to native American values. You don't go to the Pow wow or speak any native languages or even Spanish. You even changed how you speak English. Assimilate baby🤣🤣

[@shanekeenaNYC]

@@brainxtc2171 Or your soul just entered into a much larger world. I don't believe people lose their souls, they just grow into different crevasses and sometimes those areas are larger than the one they started with. Count your lucky stars when that happens. Plant a tree you know you will never be able to sit under.

[@jasonk3605]

The guy in the suit won the argument hands down.

[@Kira-ji5pr]

Why that phrase “hands down”. Can’t I keep my hands up while winning an argument

[@MonkezNation]

Vince Dao killed it

[@liarson4430]

With BS.. I agreed.

[@FORBIDCharlie1986]

Don't be a simp.

[@brainxtc2171]

He embarrassed himself. The self hate was sad.

[@Go4Broke247]

Boba liberals don't believe Blacks are attacking Asians. 🤦‍♂️

[@SmallTownResident]

He was the only person on this panel besides the Indian guy that had any reasonable or logical takes.

[@jeannie1renee2]

Why does Purple Hair chick blink her fake lashes like two manic butterflies? Is that a statement or because they irritate her eyes? Does she flap them to broadcast her agitation?

[@ImLure]

On the model minority topic, I think the angle that a lot of people on it (hard working, etc) is somewhat the connotation it was suppose to take, but I believe the real reason it was coined and has perverse the Asian community so much is because the model minority of any society is one that doesn’t push back against the majority status quo of what a country is built on. The clashes between the black minority and white majority is the major status quo and the Asian community is for lack of a better term, suppose to navigate it in a way that they “don’t get in the way” and or “mind their own business amongst themselves” Edit: This comment is more directed towards the post Immigration Act of the 60s and not pre Immigration Act was not meant to downplay Asian movements against discrimination such as the Chinese Exclusion, Asian American lynchings, and other strifes.

[@RicochetForce]

Yup, that's precisely how it is implemented by the dominant ethnic group in the country. Black people protest the constant, institutional racism that sees them locked out lucrative jobs, colleges, community investment, police brutality, etc...? Hispanic people protest the inhumane treatment of immigrants, consistent poverty and low state investment in their communities, etc... You know how the dominant ethnic group responds? "Quit your bitching you lazy pieces of shit. Look at the Asians, they're poor and they work harder than all of you, get more degrees than anyone, and don't cause trouble. Why can't you be like them?"

[@ImLure]

This is not to say that the Asian community doesn’t exemplify model traits such as the strong family unit (at least as perceived from outside groups because there are countless Asian American youth abused by parents and what not) but even if all Asian demographics were poor, the same situation would manifest because of Asian cultures perceived habit of collectivism and status quo over rocking the boat. However you can see the actual manifestation of the overarching culture climate between Asian groups as well. When Americans who weaponize the Model minority title, they do so using Chinese (lumping all ethnic groups together) Koreans, and Japanese for the most part, and it’s usually those who have backgrounds of higher education and or status coming over from their homelands plus the groups already here. Some don’t even include Indians in the Asian group But if we look at groups such as Cambodians, Vietnamese (the ones coming over now and not post Vietnam War), Laos, Hmong Immigrants, these tend to be amongst the most poor Asian ethnic groups in American from what I’ve seen, with some stats regarding compulsive education being even lower than black American numbers, but they get looked over and or lumped into the group strictly because of the overarching idea of “not rocking the boat” even though a majority of the SEA live amongst black Americans in the bad neighborhoods There’s a lot of nuance but everyone is just trying to live their life as best as they can and we should learn not to be too hard on one another

[@RicochetForce]

@@ImLure Yeah, it's extra fucked up (and exposes the "model minority" for the malicious and manipulative thing it actually is) that any Asian populations that don't fit neatly into the MM framework or the Perpetual Foreigner is conveniently excluded from it. Much like how European descended Americans shit on Mexicans but conveniently turned a blind eye toward Mexicans that looked more like them.

[@chethanx666]

Low incarceration rates, high earners, and they succeed in academia. Either Asians are hard-working model minorities or they're privileged. Pick your poison.

[@chethanx666]

@@ImLure When Black people are labeled as "marginalized," nobody divides them into ADOS vs. PhD Nigerian immigrant. When White people are labeled as "privileged," we're not divided into Appalachian hillbillies vs. WASP. Yet anybody who says "model minority myth" would probably be appalled if I said "marginalized Black community myth" or "White privilege myth."

[@EternaL1fe]

"Everyone should look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others." Unfortunately, in the world we live in today, we are taught to 'do whatever feels right for you.' It has all become about feelings. Do what you feel is best at the time. We are no longer taught to consider the consequences of everything we do. I think that is why this world is heading deeper and deeper. I mean look at what is happening in America : Clinics that encourage kids to change their sex. Doctors at the clinic performing the surgery : "You kids may, as you get older, regret your decision, and there is a high chance that you will become depressed and commit suicide, but hey... as long as you were able to choose your gender at a young age! That is the most important thing.. "

[@BT-oq6un]

Does differences in sexual orientation among minorities also create further differences in perspective on said topics?

[@Rometor]

My parents came from a country where what I am I couldn’t have made an income from or very low… I am happy with assimilation of the American culture

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

Purple haired chick and her betamale sidekick were funny af. But the Conservative Asian dude had them beat.

[@sothearalim1]

I do agree that the topics they were discussing veered towards "mainstream issues" and those nuances of experiences were needed as part of the discourse. What I would love to have heard was from a person who is Southeast Asian and a refugee; specifically Cambodian, Lao, Hmong or Vietnamese. Because the model minority myth does not benefit this group at all due to the conditions in which they had to work from. Additionally, Southeast Asians have generally felt to be seen as "other", or in some cases "Dirty Jungle Asians" or "Ghetto Asians". When we came here in the '80s, we were facing racial discrimination from our new neighbors. What did we do? We created the largest Asian street gang in America in an effort to protect ourselves. So to some extent, the conversations that were being had in this Vice video weren't relatable as it disregarded the nuances that currently exist in the Pan-Asian American community. Though the Vice video attempts to give a voice to Asian Americans, it is still a blanket conversation and I still personally feel that more diversity was needed. This diversity is necessary as Asia is the largest continent in the world and we can't identify our issues with the mainstream American discourse.

[@oliverenterprises3526]

I'm Asian and the Vietnamese guy in my opinion is right, if you were a white guy living in an Asian country you will have to assimilate one way or the other especially if you were born there and especially if the nation you reside in have a particularly strong culture and deep history like China or Korea but you will have a little bit more wiggle room for nations like Philippines which is part western and doesn't have as potent an identity as other neighboring regions. Unity by assimilation is an essential part of nationhood even if the said nation as a whole changes over time adopting things from other nations and this is why diverse nations are destined to fail and fragment unless a said diverse territory is dominated by a single culture like the empires of the past, this is just necessity to hold things together and this can be cruel no doubt and the people should be left with the final word whether they want secession or assimilation where each group with a set of common identity forge their own future in case of secession. And let's accept it that the US as a modern nation was founded by Europeans who wanted to make a perfect version of their original continent, whites hold the power and are as of this moment still the majority so it is their right for as long as they have the power to steer the nation to their views as the group with dominion over the nation, if the Asians want thing to change then they better breed like rabbits and take power into their own hands and be the new lords of the States, this is the only lasting way that they can take revenge for all the insults the whites have done to them.

[@songcramp66]

Sorry to break your master Asian race theory but it seems the Hispanics will likely be the next overlords so better start practicing your Spanish with the rest of us.

[@stevenw7623]

When I moved to an Asian country, I adopted the local customs and learned the language. It’s what you have to do to fit in and navigate the society. Still, I never gave up my identity. I’m not sure why this is an issue.

[@ainako1010]

17:24 If Affirmative Action continues to adversely affect Asian Ams then we're going to need to create our own institutions or focus on careers that doesn't necessarily need schooling like entrepreneurship, business, military, etc. But if you want to be a Doctor, Engineer, Lawyer, then no working around it.

[@bryant475]

Assimilation is important to be successful. Past discrimination should not equal present discrimination, reparations are ridiculous. Affirmative action should only be based on income, not race. Asians are successful because of parenting/mindset/culture, and it's the same reasons people of any race can succeed! Just because someone "looks like" someone, it doesn't mean they think or believe the same things. I agree with Vince Dao (The guy in the suit). You guys should have him on your show!

[@---GOD---]

As a Hindu Punjabi I had to make a small correction here. Punjabi people are an ethno-linguistic group who come from the Punjab region of India and Pakistan. Punjabi people from India are either Sikh or Hindu, and Punjabi people from Pakistan are Muslim.

[@stormstriker2000]

love from gujarat

[@randomxstory]

Lol clearly the conservative won because they had answers vs the liberals just complaining without backing up their words.

[@d15z1sux]

The truth is probably somewhere in-between all the points raised The over reactions though from some of the people though 🤣

[@trendthis364]

Wish you guys got invited. It would of been nice to hear your commentary because you guys have critical but thoughtful perspective.

[@dinocollins720]

great reaction!

[@theia1653]

To assimilate is to have more standing and opportunities for yourself and your kids, so you can function in society. Not doing so is unacceptable. You don't care, I do. We don't have to live in confucian times and shouldn't.

[@Neverest.]

4:20 As an Australian I would like to know these all Asian govt sponsored TV shows. I feel like you're probably talking about SBS but thats a multicultural and multilingual broadcaster. It's not Asian specific. I still don't know what whiteness is? White people in Europe are not the same as White people in America nor are they like White people here in Australia. Aren't they just really talking about American culture which white people are the majority so have had the most in shaping it? Is it Asianess a person is expected to conform to if they live in China or Singapore?

[@metaempiricist]

The term "whiteness" is just a racist term to cast white people down and spit on them.

[@broskies1]

100%

[@duckymomo7935]

Also some sources say that whiteness is about being on time or being professional

[@ChamP10nk1ng]

The situation/ in the nation/ is that you got a one room congregation/ of all Asians/ having a conversation. / (Say that 5 times real fast)

[@thatdude8710]

You'd think moving into 2023 we as people would be proud Americans or Canadians while advancing in making our homes better for everyone, but here we are getting triggered over history, skin and gender and pushing divide among each other with our economies on collapse trying to fund these issues. we truly are devolving as time goes on.

[@MrCowabungaDude]

No competition! If they’re liberal they might be saving money, while buying what they want! If they’re conservative they might look poor or homeless maybe.

[@xwrtk]

What about the one Independent person? He was in the video.

[@TheHaas123]

The comments here are such a W

[@FlipIrish]

Assimilation as in….we all agree FREEDOM is what brings us together. English is the spoken language. Citizens having pride in the American 🇺🇸 flag for the citizens that have died for us to live right now in America.

[@lockiet7227]

As a liberal, I really dislike that I’m represented by these liberals. They’re not good representation for us. Passionate, sure. But incoherent and poor discussion skills. Too much in their emotions

[@TheBleachj16]

That's because you're probably to the right of them. The fact your criticism is that they're too emotional says more about you than them. They made clear points back by facts and historical context.

[@brainxtc2171]

@@TheBleachj16 Well said. They were very coherent.

[@brainxtc2171]

You're not a Liberal.

[@bigkingsean1330]

I don't think assimilation means giving up everything you know about your culture, just adapting and being a functioning member of society. A strength of diversity is intigration and collaboration with others, not isolated communities simply residing in another country. When I watched the original video 6 of the 9 seemed like they were anti-American and anti-white ... don't need that.

[@DaniBadger777]

Vince won hand down

[@texasrav6056]

Assimilation to American ideals and values. We should be united under the freedom/liberty/constitution umbrella who speak the same language (literally).

[@chimakalu41]

Wait a minute was it necessary to play this video in fast forward?

[@ribbbsy]

helps against a copyright strike so yeah

[@JY-bw2qz]

I will always be a proud Boba Conservative

[@BDAILY365]

sipping on boba watching this lolz

[@Drownedinblood]

You guys ever do a poll of your audience demographics? Imma assume the majority aren't even Asian rn.

[@louisvilleslugger6806]

Whatever people do it has to be positive. We can’t be testing each other down saying my way is better. The 10 commandments are a no brainer as a baseline in model behavior but so is following the laws of karma.

[@davec5153]

Also, about interment of the Japanese, Germans living in the UK were also interned during WW2 because their loyalty was in question.

[@drewskij2175]

Germans were also interned in the US before we even went to war with Germany.

[@drewskij2175]

@@hopew23 about 12k Germans were put into "internment" camps and an additional 5k suspected Nazi Party members from Central and South America were deported to the USA to be held in these camps as well. There were also an undisclosed number of Italians that were interned as well as deported to America to be held. FDR enacted imprisoned them under the Alien Enemy Control Program after the Census Bureau added additional questions to the 1940 Census to find out who could be in the US that were enemy aliens.

[@hmvollbanane1259]

Speaking as someone from a dispossessed people that had to come in the millions to other, admittedly related, people I would say assimilation is the way to go for both sides to prosper. Not giving up everything, but adjusting in public life to the rules and customs of the established community

[@theologyofthebody2870]

Vince is the man

[@ainako1010]

10:00 Agreed unless you in college studying Asian American Studies or dealing with social commentary (ie KZbinr/Content Creators) the word "model minority" ain't in your day to day vocabulary.

[@amitbarure5158]

Just subscribe to you guys, Your channel name is hilarious 😂

[@kshinokevin]

the VICE video felt like a scene from the 1993 Ang Lee-directed film, "The Joy Luck Club": when June (the daughter) argued with their mother, Suyuan on some topic, in a kitchen.

[@vangmx]

But Ang Lee didn’t direct “The Joy Luck Club”. It was actually Wayne Wang. 😀

[@felicer6771]

😂😂😂 Hilarious

[@olzt100]

Asians certainly should include themselves in the US political dilemma. Because if you don't relay your position and rights as you see them then others without your best interest in mind will do that for you. See US history in regards to Native Americans and Blacks. Don't adopt that history.

[@louisvilleslugger6806]

Yo can we get Ritchie Le to give someone a skin fade real quick?

[@yukuhana]

People in discussion group talked so fast!

[@chengliu872]

I'm pretty sure that the video was sped up.

[@akenji]

@@chengliu872 yeah but even without the speed up, they were speaking too quick

[@yellowantonio-nado7761]

I'm surprised it took this long to get diverse Asians together 😂 c'mon vice

[@abduljaleel4467]

"No society can't hold together without same language and same culture" Indians left the chat

[@VincentVu846]

But didn’t various Indian kingdoms and clans fight each other for control over the subcontinent? If no, explain. If yes, didn’t such division and internal struggles lead to the Indian subcontinent to succumb to foreign empires (Mughals, Greeks, British, etc)?

[@rohitsawant5805]

@@VincentVu846 Agreed brother, our diversity is a double-edged sword, its a weakness at times as well as a strength.

[@abhay_cs]

@@VincentVu846 Very intelligent observation. But I think we ignore the common cultural thread running throughout the subcontinent. That's what keeps us together. It's a thread made from a common Hindu cultural fabric which inherently allows for diversity and differences of opinion, language and so on.

[@wissalou2314]

Better watch videos of the gov and hindus supporters killing and torturing muslims and sikhs than.

[@abduljaleel4467]

@@VincentVu846 i think you are unaware of the fact that the concept of india and indian nationalism didn't exist before the British becuz when we say about states in India each state can be considered as a country as it's own a tamilian cannot understand a Rajasthani because they have different language and culture And it was the independence movement brought together the current india before that every princely state was a different country on its own that hate the other

[@muddyhotdog4103]

Funny cuz Vince was a minority when it came to an actual difference in opinion while the rest of the group did a lot of validating each other in their echo chambers.

[@robertopang4240]

The US a special country just because it is so diverse. We have to raise above race. It is fine to be arguing and fighting, as we already do for politics... But we got to find common love and interest, like: - Borders - Language - Culture (maybe religion, too) - Love for country (not the same as government) So as long as we can share some (not all) of these, we will be a strong country. We can fight about the size of government, abortion, immigration, etc, etc; but we should also agree we love the country. That this is home and that nobody is going back to nowhere...this is it. This country is ours. If not, then we are nothing more than a collection of different tribes of people who just happen to share the land. But for this, Asian parents, young and old, have to stop talking as if "home" is somewhere else and that some day they will "return". We have to be Americans. (together) We can't just be Chinese (or Japanese, Korean, Indian, etc) people that happen to live in America and have no loyalties or love for America.

[@liliumjade]

This debate was not a good look for Asian liberals at all. With the model minority thing, I think a big part of that is the fact that many Asian cultures worry a lot about saving face. Being respected and looking good to others is important to many Asian people, especially those who have and are immigrating as 1st generation.

[@nemonbuckery5512]

Love you guys.👊🏾🐼✌🏿🍴

[@kaosaechao56]

Assimilation is a conscious and unconscious practice. It’s not an issue unless you want it to be.

[@1013VS]

4:50 - true desi people do act more wester, now a days kids are pretty much full on western.

[@sideriteadamantium4300]

TDLR Liberal bananas arguing with a conservative banana.

[@alec187]

I’ve never been called a model minority and I’ve been Asian since I was born 😂