Confessions Of A Former K-pop Idol (ft. Crayon Pop) | ASIAN BOSS

[@AsianBoss]

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[@yumimori1196]

Can I join without paying or not?

[@JayzenFreeze]

Sounds like slavery with extra steps.

[@benjaminbingat1673]

Rick and Morty i-

[@luzcalzada3414]

Take one in the yarbols if u have any yarbols

[@nuf412]

I mean fans usually call them slave contracts, they are paid close to nothing and still have to give 120% for each performance. Because it is a very competitive business, some groups disband without ever making money and the members are actually indebted. So many groups debut each year and among those only a small percentage will actually last more than 3-5 years and make money

[@stix702]

It Actually is A Slave Contract Not allowed to ear barely nothing Not allowed to date Not allowed to see Family Not allowed to Go out Not allowed to Be yourself We need to fix this Edit: 60 LIKES!! thank you Edit:why this have so many likes?

[@JayzenFreeze]

@@stix702 I agree they control them with contracts and fear.

[@wiptide]

*Manager:* Go on a tour with Lady Gaga. *Also Manager:* You owe us money for going on a tour with Lady Gaga.

[@jgw5491]

In-Cred-I-Ble. :-(

[@SaltNaCl]

i was pissed after hearing it.

[@nyclola]

As she explained: 30-40% of the money for the singers and 60-70% for the company but the expenses are 50/50%. I believe they're in debt until these days

[@Suomi91]

Makes sense =D

[@nyx4449]

I was like "wtf?!" when she said that

[@kyr218]

CAN ASSIAN BOSS CONTACT CL AND ASK FOR AN INTERVIEW SO SHE CAN REVEAL HOW IT IS LIKE BEING AN ARTIST IN YG. I BET THAT GIRL HAS SO MUCH TEA TO SPILL

[@thejudgingtrash]

Yeah... but when does her contact expire tho?

[@慧慧-t6y]

bom is easier

[@leonit2676]

I wish CL could come out of YG's dungeon but YG is sadly above law in Korea and can do anything they want to

[@Ema-wc6vy]

@@chelsea8357 not really

[@magnolia3521]

I hope she bet will say Mr yang is sooo super strict... Pride and ego man

[@ArchiduquesaMA]

kids, remember: everytime a kpop idol says "i will work harder" means "i'm going to be better at taking abuse from my company"

[@ksxx]

@Jhanna o

[@juliee593]

@Jhanna most of them are abusive to some extent though... And even the groups who are in "ok" companies still suffer a lot and have very hard working conditions.

[@ashishmishra9223]

Ok aunty MiCaLou

[@mariaransborg33]

@Jhanna What’s the point of your comment exactly? You seem to be talking just to talk.

[@EpikLiv]

@@mariaransborg33 Damn is it illegal to talk about what's on your mind now?

[@mari0095467]

"Any advice for people that wanna become a k-pop idol?" DON'T

[@fabuma]

Mariana Rudge Bortoli she didn’t say that. She said it’s not just glamour it’s also hard work

[@mari0095467]

@@fabuma i know she didn't say that. I said it, it's called irony.

[@melodyofthecursed]

I know right. This is the first time I heard something about artist owe money to the company...that's ridiculous!

[@mari0095467]

@@melodyofthecursed totally! And to have ALL aspects of your life controlled... and to have all those actions normalized by society just sounds crazy to me.

[@lilhypnotique]

Melody Mel Welcome to the music industry. They even did this in the US. Google TLC and Toni Braxton and you will find out. In the words of TLC “We currently are the number 1 selling group out and we are broke!”

[@meenakshious]

She’s literally describing an abusive relationship. Like straight up.

[@LaurieFloodTeacher]

I could not tell if this was a cult or slavery. It has aspects of both.

[@tdok]

@@LaurieFloodTeacher modern slavery IMO

[@TomoyoDrifts]

There's already a term for it, it's called indentured servitude.

[@jgw5491]

@@TomoyoDrifts Very true.

[@thefreshmaker001]

I was shock

[@gecs-sg3rc]

company: pack your bags you're fired way: " goes home" company: wait that's illegal

[@happyguy2k]

More like Company: We need that cash cow!

[@loneranger1646]

you forgot "you owe us money for going home"

[@ravenjs3609]

small and unknown kpop companies could be thinking these stuff not the big 3 companies in sm yg jyp they would cut off trainees in monthly evaluations and they would have to go home. What youve seen in the video is about small compaines and is not the truth for big ones. Big ones are super caring but will be strict in evaluations so they can cut off trainees who are not hard working and stuff

[@gecs-sg3rc]

@@ravenjs3609 sure mate......

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@loneranger1646 ik when one girl was offered by a man who could be her father, she left and they caused her the accident but she survived

[@pornesianparrapio4173]

I almost Cried,, when she said,, at her birthday her father came and the company sent her father back... What kind of rule is this?? They are doing all practice whole day and night...why won’t they able to see their parents?? I mean with which logic???

[@SaveMeMoon]

There is another former K-pop idols turned youtuber called "Henry Prince Mak" and in a video he made about why he left the industry he said he didn't get to see his mom for 4 years because they never got any time off. He said that when he did see her it was because he invited her on stage at a concert they did and that that's a big reason why he decided to quit. It's honestly disgusting how these companies get away with treating their artists like this, and they'll keep getting away with it until the fans start standing up for their idols.

[@pornesianparrapio4173]

@@SaveMeMoon ohh myy godd...4 years without seeing his mother..aren't those company directors human? I am afraid that,, if present kpop groups are facing these horrible experiences.....

[@pd9662]

@@SaveMeMoon That's dehumanizing af.....I actually feel bad for them. Is that really the price of fame in that industry? What happens when the members of a kpop group get disbanded? Not everyone can become KZbinrs.

[@marishkaspirit]

@@SaveMeMoon wasn't he in JJCC, the band formed by Jackie Chen?? I thought he said their management is different..

[@khurinj6945]

After watch this, i wonder how rookie idol's life then?? I mean, nowadays there are a lot of rookie gg/bg that hve underage member. And mostly they still in their teenagers, so how can they live with this condition?? U can't see your parents, it would be nice if they didn't receive mistreatment and became popular one. But how about, if they received mistreatment from their agency and they have to accept that their group is underrated. So ironic😭 I'm still in my teenagers, and i even can't imagine when i could be an idol and i have to life with that condition, i really can't😔

[@0zer016]

This is the dark side of k-pop basically slavery but a little bit more modern

[@bindown2345]

Slavery but make it fashion

[@drizzy6302]

Yellow Emperor like suge Im young Ceo Suge yeah yeah

[@TROUPEAUROUGE]

So true

[@KingRumar]

Music industry has been rooted with horrid conditions and evils for generations. I only hope more get out and speak up

[@vaveshka]

I guess they get paid a lot for all their misery.

[@justinhopetercero7763]

Profit: 60-70% company 30-40% artist Expenses: 50-50 Logic: 0

[@shirlylovenavid]

My exact thought. It's totally stupid

[@yanna6815]

Kinda wondering why she signed the contract in the first place

[@johnlloyddy7016]

Actually, she said they had to pay back all the expenses the company incurred in forming the group, so in terms of expenses it was 100%, although it was paid in installments. They were young and naive, isolated from family and friends, no lawyer to represent them during contract negotiations(couldn't afford one even if they wanted one) and their agent was probably on the company's payroll, so it comes as no surprise why they signed without knowing what they were getting into.

[@justinhopetercero7763]

This is just the financial side of it. But knowing this, we could see how much of a business monster the k-pop industry is. I am not incurring that all label management in the k-pop industry is bad or malicious but a lot of them are to a point where artists does not even know they are being abused.

[@Lunarsolaryu]

@@johnlloyddy7016 it's almost like being in a toxic, controlling relationship or something. Wow.

[@wooottff]

I love how she chose her words carefully without sound harsh yet delivered the bitter reality♥️

[@extrachickenwang8062]

i feel like koreans are really good with their words

[@Herebutnotreally]

True, she's very eloquent

[@rocksolid4597]

Wtf

[@pemimpiradikall]

Its in our culture atleast in asians countries

[@TB4000]

Asian people have tendency to be passive aggressive at times. Ones from Asia I mean, if they grew up anywhere else they act just as pissed as everybody lol

[@otgonbayartim3306]

Note: your favorite idols are literally practicing the whole day with no rest and probably running out of breathe just to keep you entertained

[@alisayxu]

it’s so sad i would actually give up being a fan just so they could live better lives :(

[@lu5423]

Yes and they do it cause they chose to do it, not cause they got forced...

[@yohandahmani9329]

2NE1 had to say STOP and YG didn't like it, queens are independant

[@mihriyam4078]

Yohan Dahmani Yesss Stan 2NE1 in our hearts

[@visit4873]

@@yohandahmani9329 yg artists dont really live this harsh. they have no debts to pay and get fame immediately. but the small groups struggle a lot

[@priestrat]

It just doesnt make sense to get your employees to work at 4 am and release them at midnight. This isnt efficient at all, it just makes them have less energy and concentration.

[@angelpirulin9395]

For you it doesn't make sense for the company was a great profit.

[@lalamanana1912]

@@angelpirulin9395 Your trainers work longer hours, yet your trainees don't learn faster, maybe even slower. How is that profitable?

[@anacriscg]

All I could think about is that if I don’t sleep enough I’ll get pimples!! I need my 8 hours of sleep haha

[@illegirl6230]

Ikr??

[@Haylla2008]

@@lalamanana1912 By the numbers, it actually looks more profitable. The problem is the numbers never account for the human element. Companies would likely make more profit in the long run if they treated the idols a little better (at least as far as letting them rest).

[@meripu1125]

“All that glitters is not gold” - William Shakespeare. I hope anyone reading this comment will have a great day.

[@chestbumphero]

Sorry I sung that from Prince’s song “Gold”

[@SalvableRuin]

@@chestbumphero No, you sang it. Not "sung"

[@zsaduquette-hoffman3852]

I thought that was from LOTR

[@duskflower8825]

And the converse, "All that is gold does not glitter" - Tolkien

[@orbitaldumpsterfire]

The expanded quote is really relevant, too. It goes, "All that glisters is not gold - Often you have heard that sold - Many a man his life hath sold - But my outside to behold - Gilded tombs do worms enfold."

[@noisyclouds9933]

i love kpop but these things makes me feel guilty for supporting this horrible industry. it's far too abusive.

[@uberdozer7719]

actually i think its abusive because of how obsessed the fanbases can be. All those smiles on those idols while they're dancing and the fans got no idea about where that came from

[@mattiekim]

Dude whatever, this is what South Korea wants of their idols. Having international fans is just a bonus. Korean's who want to become Idols know that THAT IS THE LIFESTYLE! They make that decision when they sign that dotted line. Asians strive for perfection in every single way, perfection equals sucess in the culture, you don't like that, don't do it.

[@dkg_gdk]

Then you should stop.

[@Lotridel]

I feel you. Honestly I was a diehard fan of k-pop a few years ago, and occasionally I still listen to some old songs of my favorites and I check in on how my faves are doing every now and then. I had stomached a lot of horrible things I've heard about the industry for many many years as a fan, but when I heard that Jonghyun of SHINee had taken his own life... I was really devastated and couldn't look away anymore. That's when I just stopped. I had a complete purge of all things k-pop a while. Now, like I said, I'm just checking in on some of the oldies on their socials here and there.

[@kimberlyogata6736]

I feel this, and it’s tough because I want to boycott and get others to do so as well, but I also don’t want my favorite artists to fail and possibly get worse treatment if people don’t support them.

[@lia-tm1ve]

imagine those kpop groups who trained hard but didn't even got the chance to debut or those who debuted but disbanded immediately, the amount of sacrifices they invested would just go to waste its heart breaking

[@izzaghassani7187]

Yes :(

[@Elenasn]

and you stay alone with your broken dreams + huge debt in a bank

[@chicysai]

@@Elenasn the debts are insane i couldnt even imagine

[@nabi5864]

Yeah it's horrible... They put their soul blood sweat tears into it ... One infomous heart wrenching moment was MoMo getting cut on 16 (Twice audition show) ... Then again they don't show of all the horrible heart breaks of the other girls that got cut .... Many many train for years and at the last moment get sent home or actually are working as a fledgling group then to get it disbanded and shut down by these entertainment company

[@igottakillthemall]

the same thing goes in any other industries, and even in any life.

[@sarahbethenal2779]

It seems every time I hear about the Kpop companies, something bad is coming out about them. Honestly, seems outright evil.

[@younghokimseoul]

so true

[@karakurikonnect9572]

r e m e d y ! The CEO being female doesn't change the fact that Korea has ridiculous standards in the Entertainment industry.

[@takarlor12]

It is

[@jairuslirazan6317]

Almost all of them really have intense training hours, but not all are super evil. For example, BTS' company, Bighit ent., lets the members have schedules which can allow them to rest and at the same time perform. But being a KPop group really needs commitment, it's not easy

[@Rvu72]

It is because often times the label considered the artist as the product/packaged product. Not "the artist"

[@actionong]

These companies are like pimps. They did an opening act for lady gaga and came back in debt. Wtf

[@audrepoison566]

Ironically, Gaga also ended up in debt after the tour, albeit for completely different reasons.

[@alia580]

@@audrepoison566 why did gaga end up in debt tho ?

[@audrepoison566]

@@alia580 she spent too much money on costumes, props, employees, and sets for one of her tours.

[@Forlfir]

@@audrepoison566 was it the tour in which she had to cancel lots of dates because she got sick?

[@audrepoison566]

@@Forlfir I don't know. I think it was The Fame Ball or The Monster Ball. It wasn't the tour where she broke her hip (that was the BTW Ball)

[@MissPinkElf13]

Lady Gaga would've been so mad if she found out the idols didn't get any money from opening her tour

[@sendmemoneythanks]

Skylar Crater she probably knew. Don’t act like she’s an angel

[@watashi5700]

I doubt she knew. Korean music contracts are waay different fron ones in the US

[@mycrafts7207]

I don't think she did. Her management just paid their company for the opening act then it is their responsibility for giving it to their employees.

[@MissPinkElf13]

@@sendmemoneythanks If you think she wouldn't stand up to their defense then you don't know what she stands for

[@mikepanable]

The reality for all opening acts is that they don't get paid well at all. Korean or otherwise. It's all about the exposure, especially when opening for big acts like lady gaga. Sometimes opening acts will actually pay money to perform on such a big tour. My experience comes from touring the US and the UK. The openers usually get paid $250 per show, to split between all band members. The only way to break even after hotel, gas, food and all other travel costs (flights, van or bus rental) is through selling merch. So to answer the question, no, lady gaga would not be mad nor surprised her openers didn't make any money on her tour, as this is normal in the music industry. She most likely experienced it herself at one point in time. She would however probably be pretty upset about the grotesque and unethical contracts they signed. Hope this helped shed some light on the subject!

[@tommyo2450]

I really appreciate how honest and respectful she was answering questions. She wasn't being nasty or complaining.. very professional.. Great interview and frankly a fan..

[@AnaissN]

Would you blamed her if she complained? It was basically slavery.

[@tommyo2450]

@@AnaissN Wouldn't have blamed her at all. But she didn't. Slavery is a bit strong but I understand your thoughts on it. Many feel basically the same.

[@organharvester1983]

@@tommyo2450 Having less than minimum wages, no income for 15 months but loanes from bank, sleeping 4 hours a day, and when doing the opening show before lady gaga and not earning money but more "illegal debts", sure it's absolutely not slavery at all.

[@journey5263]

i even subscribed to her channel

[@zankoo9907]

@@organharvester1983 I wonder what Lady Gaga thinks of this she is a millionare she could help them after hearing this.

[@LightningClaireFarron390]

Oh man, these kpop company bosses seem downright abusive! Very unfair, like a musical sweatshop 😕

[@drizzy6302]

KOSMOS390 like OvO sweatshop

[@daegham6006]

Thats pretty much every kpop industry and its been that way since the beginning of kpop.

[@waygi28]

Nah Jyp prioritizes the health and well-being their groups Sorry for grammatical mistakes english nOt mY nAtIVe LaNguAge

[@mambach7894]

@@waygi28 still prohibited for make individually inst account.

[@waygi28]

@@mambach7894 yah but I really don't know what's with making a personal Ig account...

[@naziatanura7817]

Im happy she's living a better life now.

[@akirarozu3245]

I hope she isn't going to have threats because of the video.

[@MiaogisTeas]

Really? As a full-time KZbinr? 😅

[@mosti72]

@@MiaogisTeas yes, sometimes full time KZbinrs make better money than idols. Even if it isn't the case, they still have the freedom that most kpop idols doesn't.

[@sphxx7995]

being a youtube seems way less stressful and pressuring then being an idol i’m sure she’s much happier

[@Majeed.]

Periodtt.

[@skateata1]

Now I feel bad when I listen to K-pop because I feel like I'm supporting some kind of abusive industry

[@SaveMeMoon]

You are, please let this fact spread. If enough people would stop supporting it and demanding justice for the idols then maybe they'd be willing to change.

[@RavenKirishiki]

the entertainment industry has always been like this, if you look at old Western actors you'll see a lot of them had to change their personalities because their agents said so, I think the best way to support idols is to spread the word about how they get treated and remind them they are supported !! they often feel afraid their company will stop them from getting a career.

[@Anikoxx]

Kelsea Nova you can still listen to Korean music without being a kpop group 😉

[@BlueAmerican26]

You're basically support child labor and prostituion if that's what you mean. There are plenty of artist from smaller indie companies that do their own thing. Korean music goes beyond the fake and materialistic boy and girl groups.

[@em-fi2jg]

you’re not, the ENTIRE music industry is like this. you can’t just not listen to music, it’s not just kpop. the whole industry needs to change kpop included

[@Gloomyfuyu]

imagine, they are already suffering + haters/bully are everywhere, im not surprised a lot idol kpop 'suicide'

[@daisymururu1051]

Then they cant even talk to their families as much as they want

[@RookieCookieWookie]

I know! It's so sad :(

[@Skinnerville]

Hara, sulli, jonghyun etc. 😭

[@jrs8301]

Ikr their personal relationships are also controlled by their company, they cannot meet their families and friends, and they cannot have a normal love life. Some toxic fans makes my blood boils because they don't want their idols to be happy and fall in love with other idols. I thought kpop idols are treated like queens/kings, but in reality, idols are slaves of kpop companies and toxic fans😔😔

[@bella0842]

This is so sad! I couldnt imagjne how hard their lives must be despite all the fame and the spotlight they get.

[@iceberg789]

idol life is short. companies catch them young, squeeze them out all the way and then throw them away to get more youngs. this is how extreme corporate slavery looks like.

[@elisdeliofa5570]

Just like Simon cowell and his talent show

[@thaiveds2738]

@@elisdeliofa5570 nope don't think so. Those people have freedom and every rights to do whatever the heck they want. Unlike K-pop, K-pop is more like a modern slavery...!

[@fightfannerd2078]

shut up you commi

[@xnxx2285]

Inb4 toxic kpop trash

[@jaejunsa]

@@thaiveds2738 Partially. People who participate in these shows still get a lot of things taken from them, like the rights to their own creations and what not. Go look up some information on the contract you have to sign if you want to be part of any of his shows and you'd be surprised just how much of a shitshow it actually is and how much you have to sacrifice just to be part of it. All of those shows are manipulated and if you don't play by their rules, you're out.

[@snowpearl5908]

I felt really sad when the company turned her dad away on her birthday. Family is so important to me.

[@karnowo]

Her and her sister's birthday. Unsure of your knowledge but will add this here for others anyways. She was in the band with her twin sister

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Well her happiness isn't in the statistics for profit.

[@_cherrychi_]

Snow Pearl Yeah that sucks. You have to risk your family opportunities if you wanna be an idol I guess

[@alexdhamp]

@@finnheisenheim8274 That shouldn't even matter... :/

[@forme4729]

That was the saddest part... :(

[@AG-su1bc]

Sandbags on their legs???? What are they training for, Taijutsu with Might Guy??? Sheesh man, what a looney world.

[@joanna8237]

they are trying to make crayon pop a ninja

[@parryhotter8788]

the excessive use of question marks really affects how i see this comment

[@KuroiHato69]

Actually it is common for dancers to put weights on their legs while training. Strengthens the muscles and makes you push yourself harder. When the weights are removed you are so used to the weight that you move with the same strength you became used to and it gives more power to the motions.

[@AG-su1bc]

Parry Hotter Thank you???

[@meowwwwwwwwwwwww]

Lololololololol

[@Gollumfili]

Basically getting about 3 hours sleep a night! Absolutely no way I would be able to function on that

[@roxassora2706]

@Em e it's scary really

[@anastasyawidya5885]

Basically a uni student minus the phisical work :)

[@riddhibhatt1482]

@@anastasyawidya5885 no uni student sleeps for 3 hours a night and if they do, they should reconsider going. Unless you're balancing a full time job and full time school, there is enough time to sleep at least 6-8 hours a night.

[@erikadale8107]

No wonder many are driven to suicide.

[@neixiangzhe4884]

i did that everyday when i was at high school and uni too

[@syriaramenchinese9593]

Not only does the company take about 60-70% of their earnings, they even have to pay off the debt from their own earnings. The nerve.

[@dacypher22]

The "expenses" part of the contract is there so they can creatively screw them out of their 30% of the earnings. "We took out bank loans to survive". All while they heard their songs playing in every restaurant they went into. That is ridiculous.

[@riyamondal7120]

@@dacypher22 5t

[@jumperguy9867]

Make a list of the actual artistic contribution the girls make: Do they write the music? NO Do they write the lyrics? NO Do they develop the choreography? NO They are cute, petite Korean girls who have mediocre voice talent at best. They rarely chart outside of Korea. They are bubble gum pop...that's all...and yet, they allow themselves to be subjected to this crap, and the laws in Korea allow it. It's pathetic. They're nothing but eye candy.

[@jumperguy9867]

@CLEAN. SARCASM. I didn't say they were talentless. What I DO maintain is that they are no more talented than ANYONE with a mediocre singing voice. They don't write music or lyrics. They don't play musical instruments. They don't choreograph their own dance moves, and if they make the company angry, they can be thrown away and replaced very easily - and no one will even notice it. There is literally nothing very special about them if they can so easily be replaced. K-Pop and J-Pop is the kind of music that people who just want to see cute girls listen to and watch videos of. Event the songs have limited value outside of Asia. It is RARE that the songs they sing (you can't even call the song THEIR song, because they have nothing to do with them other than singing) have any popularity outside their own country or outside of Asia. Can you say the same about someone like Shakira, or Taylor Swift or Lady GaGa? No, because those people are true stars. They don't have to audition to be an "idol".

[@vladutzuli]

@CLEAN. SARCASM. He knows very well what k-pop is. You are the one who provided no counter-arguments to debunk his points. Therefore, you are just a blind fan who dislikes the truth.

[@keunbalgi3086]

I feel extremely sad for idols like Goo Hara and Sulli who loss their precious lives. May they both rest in peace and their memories live on. Thoughts are with their families through these terrible times.

[@zuko2.051]

💔💔

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

Keun Balgi Yes and it is sad that many fans just do not understand how hard and depressing the lives of idols are. I knew this since I was a child in the 80s way before Kpop existed. Life in the limelight is just very hard and difficult.

[@swaggershatter2529]

Yona Naturelover nAH

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

Yona Naturelover Thanks and I am very a experienced fan so know about it all way before Kpop was even in existence.

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

Yona Naturelover That other poster just does not agree with you. I can careless what they think though.

[@wynngoes]

Why are ppl in the comments not more outraged by this work culture ?? It is practically exploitative and abusive ??

[@Ami_Hime]

Exactly.

[@ShakBIN]

The kpop industry is horrendous in it's current state. They need more regulations as to not be this exploitative. Let the kids be kids. And the whole debt thing just seems like a scheme tbh. Let the young idols work their asses off and you won't have to pay them a dime for a while

[@jonmoore9015]

I agree but I would change "practically" to "actually"

[@randyyang3420]

Damn straight, I'm fuckin' pissed. I'm like trying to find some sort of good angle in this interview but, like... Realistically that kind of stardom lifestyle is just ridiculous to sustain.

[@wynngoes]

@@jonmoore9015 Yeah y'all are right this IS DEFINITELY exploitative and abusive. When you need permission from your employer to see your family??? And they don't let you have a healthy night's sleep??? And they don't even pay you??? How is this OK. you lose your personal, social, and financial freedom, and on top of that you have to PAY THEM????? the more i think about this, the angrier I get.

[@alevillegas7005]

I think the worst part is the fact that she’s telling everything like it was a very normal thing 🥺 . The more I dig into Kpop the more scared I get, this is so unfair

[@twowheelsandcroissant]

not only kpop but korean culture in general, it is a lot darker than what we see from outside as foreigners..

[@irneaa]

@@twowheelsandcroissant yeah

[@Sunnyyvaj]

Thank you for covering this group. I’ve always wonder where they are now.

[@Kitty-zg4jb]

Sullyv one of them is a mother she shows up in the return of Superman

[@binz261]

^^^and her baby is very cute!!!

[@Sunnyyvaj]

Quiero Mango really? I didn’t know that I’ll have to check that out. I really loved watching that show, when that famous boxer’s daughter was on the show.

[@nyla1274]

Right! And mnet plays the past performances of earlier kpop artists and I was like where are they now!?

[@yummychips_]

i was so surprised, they were my favorite group at the time, i dont really listen to kpop, but when i did, it was them.

[@mrpepero]

Imagine not getting paid and having to get loans whilst also being super famous. That's just SAD

[@mrpepero]

Hildegard von Bingen not everyone knows everyone that is famous.....

[@CallumSk8er]

@@hildegardvonbingen9092 if someone like lady gaga wore normal clothes and no makeup, I doubt she would get recognized

[@burlhorse61]

well the contracts that bands sign in the west are not that better-ask TLC

[@marsiimel]

For the first two parts, I dont have to imagine it since being in college already lets me live that reality

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

Musa Yobabydaddy Exactly and many fail to realize that and think that celebrities are all rich and famous. Not true at all! The only ones who are rich are the ones who make it big and that is not many people. The entertainment circle is hard which is no wonder many parents do not support their children to enter.

[@blackpinkluv9869]

So let me get this straight 1. No dating 2. No friends 3. No family 4. No cellphones 5. Little pay Wow and I thought minimum wage was bad (So in order to become a famous K pop star you have to sell your soul?)

[@Taedubs]

Rose Thorn well, technically you can have friends, but it depends what company you’re under. Some companies are chill about giving trainees their phones and letting them see their parents, while other companies, usually the smaller ones, are very strict and competitive

[@ivoryblack3366]

It depends on the agency you're sign in

[@AyAReI00]

They exploit them with the Desire to have fans also i Guess It has to be with the hate they got to beautiful people so they make their Life as dificult as they can since i Guess un their minds wining live by singing and dancing is easy ... Idk

[@aldrinmanalastas3331]

I think that depends if the group got famous or not during debut

[@greatmoneystability7069]

Ok

[@justatroll1012]

I just realised my life is way better than K-pop idols🐥.

[@kristy5698]

That’s why we should appreciate for what we have

[@TheMasterhomaster]

@@kristy5698 yes should. Except 99% of us do not until we lose what we have.

[@azpizzazz3442]

exactly, I'm so sick and tired of seeing kpop fans talking about wanting to be kpop idols cuz they wanna be famous too like every single one of them needs to watch this

[@izzaghassani7187]

@@azpizzazz3442 many, maybe even almost all, kpop fans do know the hardships kpop idols have to go through and the toxic environment they're in yet some of these fans still want to become idols because it's their dream tho

[@nellina716]

@@azpizzazz3442 I'm a kpop fan and I would want to become an idol because I like singing. I just want people to hear my voice and also love how they are in groups, I love the friendship. Its not always about being famous. No hard feelings dear

[@rachelw821]

This is what people mean when they say “sell your soul” for fame...

[@sodori]

It's sad. They don't even get paid that much. :(

[@rachelw821]

sodori exactly!

[@tabushka292]

She's not even recognized on street.

[@dokorobia8713]

No it’s not just that. It is also literal.

[@hanselsihotang]

@@sodori That's why, whatever happens, don't sell your soul to the devil. You'll lose everything.

[@krsmovie1939]

No wonder many of these young boys and girls suffer from insomnia, health problems and hard depression after leaving their company. Look at Choa from AOA. She confessed she was completely broken and she eventually left AOA. Such a pure young soul was crashed into pieces by KPoP moster machine.

[@KimJongUnnie]

And poor Jimin is looking skeletal. She didn't look like herself last comeback and it's even worse now.

[@sugakookieislifeu311]

And yet people enter that world knowing what’s in store for them which I know can’t be helped 😣🥺

[@pastasoo]

@@sugakookieislifeu311 people know drugs are bad but they still do it, we're all moths to a flame

[@gendoruwo6322]

this dream of becoming a 'star'... i think perhaps it's just a myth, there really is no real 'star'... what you have are some quite normal materials forced to go supernova. They can shine as bright as a star, but they're left a hollowed near dead husk. doesn't seem to be worth it.

[@yueshijoorya601]

The talent companies do that to them, because that's what the fans want, and fulfilling that want rakes in money.

[@tyger441]

Sand bags on their legs? That's some Rock Lee taijutsu style training!

[@lalrinzualifanai1065]

I was thinking about that Rock Lee training too. I think I'm going to watch that training now that you've mention it. Haha

[@Deyahu]

It reminded me of Dragon Ball, when Goku and Kuririn where training with sandbags on their legs too

[@_cherrychi_]

tyler tha destroyer Lol Ikr 😂

[@calandoful]

Thanks for this man

[@sophee2761]

I guess the gokudols training isn’t so abnormal after all, their boss is onto something.

[@Turbo9987]

I'm so glad she's living a healthier, more fulfilling life. Sounds like being a K-pop idol is hell!

[@omsanti4195]

Yes it's like selling your happiness and whole life just for frame 😐.it's so sad these people have to go through a lot 😢.

[@ireaut9322]

'Any advice for people who want to be idols?' 'Don't'

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

Aja Z Camara True but being an idol is like a big gamble. It is like double or nothing. If you are even able to make it to debut then that is step one. Then are you able to climb the charts to get popular or not is a different story. Are you willing to sacrifice it all but then again you may or may not get anything in return. Basically, it is like an investment, if you profit then you reap the rewards but if not then you get into debt.

[@peachTplum]

@@zaic8660 Being an "idol" is literally terrible and the kpop industry is poison to every idol involved.

[@TheEastjewel]

@Dark of the knight a female Japanese idol was raped by a "fan" of the group, and when it became known to the public, she had to apologize for "worrying the fans" (or something along those lines; I need to reread the story for accuracy) at their own concert, where her rapist was in the crowd. Becoming a Japanese idol is worse imo

[@Tealozxy]

If you do want to be an idol. Do your research and actually find the right company to apply too

[@bloodycinephile]

""First, I had to suddenly change the way i acted". I knew it they assign idols fake personalities. Kpop fans never believe me when i explain this to them.

[@YTworld-69]

That's why people liking K-pop should introspect

[@elizabethnguyen9372]

I couldn't think of a username it reminds me of in the past interviews of bts where jin had to act quiet but in reality he’s a fun person

[@YTworld-69]

@@elizabethnguyen9372 but that's not real what happens behind that is not very glamorous and bright

[@Erika-xm2mi]

I remember there was another person who said something about this. They said that some got to keep their personalities, some not. It depended on what the company thought about it.

[@janinebela8176]

I think Heechul talked about it. Like he wasnt supposed to speak. Because his image is supposed to be mysterious. This was when Suju was new. Sech Kies also talked about it.

[@user-gp1bt4vm3r]

Crayon Pop had the potential to become a huge success, but their agency did nothing to keep their momentum going.

[@bapyongukgukguk2352]

Their song "FM" is a bop

[@arose4u2]

james yah I remember them

[@SomyDayum]

The song is sure a bop, but their color, they do what they been told

[@nadiyafitriani2168]

yeah true

[@SailorAllan]

like Way said, their contract ended, AND Soyul got pregnant .............

[@AtomekKotalke]

When she talks about her past she looks like she is going to cry.

[@itbefufu]

Thats messed up. Imagine being hired to work and then your employer takes 60% of your paycheck and sometimes even ask you to pay them back. That's so messed up.

[@nuuufeee]

The whole profit is not the idols' paycheck, it belongs to the company. The paycheck is the one that comes from the company. I'll explain from a different example but with the same situation. In a construction project, the developer will pay the company, lets say 500k. All of this will go straight to the company. The contractor, the one who oversee the project from a-z, will only get their monthly pay plus lets say 5%-10%(sorry I forgot the actual range) from the 500k. The same situation applies to idols too... They work and earn their pay from the company, but it is not the whole profit from concerts and tours. The money from concerts and tours is first spent to clear any pending payments such as the costumes, the dancers, the stage and the staffs. What I'm trying to say here is... The company does all the paperworks and prepares everything to make sure the idols get to perform. Therefore, the money goes to the company first and the company will sort out the pays for each idols.

[@1smallstep]

@@nuuufeeeThanks for saying that; I was about to say the same thing. If one is going to understand a problem one must understand the actual problem. That said, the messed up part is the artist having to pay back training costs and expenses out of their cut of the profits. Expenses first, maybe a base salary as part of expense, then profit share out of the actual profit. I am curious though if this is just Chrome or if it is all of the companies. I mean, after Crayon Pop debuted Chrome was so broke that they were having CP do guerilla concerts because they could not afford advertisement - it is also why they filmed the Bar Bar Bar video in an amusement park after hours; they were able to get it on the cheap. And if the numbers Way gives represent her cut of 30 - 40% (I'm assuming the 30 - 40% is split 5 ways) company did not have much coming in either - $150k to $200k for the same period that had to pay how many non-artists? Would be nice to have more numbers to work with. But were they shifting expenses to the girls in order to stay afloat? Not saying that it is right, just asking if it is SOP. Other sources I heard said that the companies paid for training and expenses with basic living expenses to trainees. But the actual artists either got set salaries or they got a profit share. Now if a concert flopped profit share meant no pay but it did not mean the act having to pony up half the concert hall.

[@nuuufeee]

@@1smallstep my knowledge about this matter is rather small too, actually. But from what I've already known, most if not all entertainment companies in korea do the same thing. The debuted idols have to pay back all the expenses spent on them otw to debut. Therefore I'd like to share about sm ent which I got from one of old kpop fans who follow sm's artist. From what I've heard, sm has different contracts for common trainees and for trainees that are confirmed to debut. For common trainees, lets say they sign a contract for 3 years. After 3 years, if the trainees are still not chosen to be debuted, they can choose whether they'll terminate the contract or continue with it. If they terminate it without breaking any rules, they are free to leave sm ent and they dont have to pay a single dime. Then there's another contract for the trainees that're confirmed to debut and even have chosen a group name. These trainees' expenses start after they sign the group member contract since they get extensive training in vocal, dance and rap(for rappers). As most people already know, sm did produce idols talented in singing, dancing and rapping. One of sm's vocal coach even appear in variety show "the sisters"(I forgot the actual tittle, I'm sorry). So... I think the idols need to pay back these expenses which are used to help them to debut since there are a lot that need to be done for a debut like outfits, choosing a group concept, making songs and lyrics, distributing the lines and choreographing the dance. All of the above that I shared are not confirmed. It is one of the things that I read from the comment section of a video uploaded by sm. I honestly think the comment is plausible. It really makes sense because how can companies calculate a trainee's expense from day one if the trainee is not confirmed to debut yet and that trainee may go to another entertainment company. Regarding your question, maybe it is sop in south korea.

[@1smallstep]

@@nuuufeeeThe Sisters is 언니들의 슬램덩크, Romanized as Eonnideurui Seullaemdeongkeu and translated Sister's Slam Dunk. Season 2 is where they did the Make an Idol Group concept, with three of the members being idols or coming from the idol environment (Minzi of 2NE1 and Somi of IOI, and trot queen Hong Jin-Young). So watching that does give one a chance for a partial look of the idol world from the inside. If you haven't seen it, I recommend giving it a look. Minzi and Somi come from bigger agencies and have hard but positive memories while Jin-Young was in several smaller agencies before getting into trot and her memories are not so good. Unfortunately a lot of the information floating around comes from fans who might have a rather simplistic and biased understanding of the reality. In general if that is all I have to go on I consider myself to be fairly ignorant of the topic. Would be nice to get the perspective of the agencies or to see an actual contract. What would be great would be to get the perspective of Kwon Bo-Ah (AKA BoA) since she is on both sides of the equation being and artist and an executive for SM Entertainment or the Perspective of Park Jin-Yong AKA JYP for the same reason.

[@dteenagewitch360]

Nurul Hafizah CmnZ i dont know how you can make this horrible situation “acceptable”. No one is supposed to spent their time 24/7 doing something and not get paid for what..? The first 5 years? And you dont even know if this idol group going to debut/become popular or not. They have to pay even just 30% of the profit. And 70-30% profit gap is not something that acceptable whn the expenses is split 50-50. Either way, k-pop are a trainwreck industry to begin with, and too many problems behind it. And I don’t think anyone should support such a toxic industry, because less anyone care, the governemnt/company will change the regulation. Dont make something acceptable just for you to like it.

[@aidenhiderav]

She is very brave to put on an interview like this. Her then company might be suing her for badmouthing them. I really respect what she said, that being a Kpop idol requires so much sacrifice and hardwork. She is genuinely trying to shed some light to those who aspire to be idols yet know nothing behind those pages of soul-binding contract.

[@LordArioh]

I didn't notice any badmouthing. Just fair facts of what it's like to be a kpop idol. Which pretty much every wannabe idol in S. Korea knows.

[@pastasoo]

Her company would just be wasting money suing for this, any one that is able to provide them with legal advice would say the same.

[@machi-full-of-coffee]

Same here. I love her last statement where she didn't actually discourage anybody, just that they need to be fully aware of what they are getting into.

[@stampedeofone]

@Santos Lewynn That's actually not true. Unlike the US or UK, in Korea truth is not an absolute defense to defamation. But I don't think she will get sued because she chooses her words carefully and doesn't say anything disrespectful or critical of the company.

[@ardalla535]

Does Chrome even exist anymore? CP was their only group. I think Chrome is gone. The owner made money and then left. The girls were left to finish out their contract. After that, the company just went kaput.

[@auroramori4703]

The awful thing about being an kpop idol is that no matter how hard you try or how talented you are, you have to be lucky to be the star😞

[@bsigns1935]

yes, so many underrated talents

[@bobbowie9350]

The "talent" is out there.

[@b.lululi143]

There just to much talents.

[@yomuthabyotch]

doesnt that apply to all success?

[@auroramori4703]

@@yomuthabyotch yes u're right😅

[@rali2233]

Dang, South Korea's music industry is basically North Korea in disguise.

[@МеруертК-у2н]

@Wuanslm you're so delusional lmao

[@jennigirl8275]

Ha thank you! This is exactly it!!!

[@ミカエラ-x4k]

@Wuanslm they literally got paid nothing, what are you talking about?

[@ShonPhillips15]

facts

[@cattyod_xx]

Same blood running in one vein

[@thesenats123]

So the company took 60-70% and still expected their idols to “pay off” their debt....WHAT?

[@AyAReI00]

Exactly then why are they getting more ??? I though that was like that Cuz they made the investment of "training and create them" and of course cuz they need to promote them BUT SOME COMPANIES ARE TERRIBLE AT PROMOTING SO this is clearly a scam

[@miialamia1653]

@@cocutou She just said expenses were split 50/50.

[@AyAReI00]

@@cocutou did you watch the whole thing ? She say company take more porcentaje EVEN when they Split (50-50) the expenses, do thats why i was in shock cuz i though companies PAID for everything and thats why their CUT WAS BIGGER but no !!! So they are pretty much scams using their idols as slaves

[@lattae7102]

Not all companies take that much. Bigger companies tend to take alot because of promotions and training and all that stuff. There are many distribution things not just paycheck. They have on stage distributions, album sales distributions, international sale distributions etc. They vary in % for the artist and company. Just look up company distributions in kpop.

[@verliebt3465]

@@lattae7102 their company was a tiny one, crayon pop was their only group for quite a while. Imo their company was too greedy and forced them to go to small events to earn money for the company instead of working on new songs and albums.

[@hany.4547]

*"I think everybody should get rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed of so they can see that it's not the answer."* - Jim Carrey.

[@dr.c196]

Amazing comment..... wow...blown my mind. Love Jim Carrey

[@ThisIsNotADramaChannelFR]

I agree with Jim. understand completely even at a young age

[@user-lesserafim0502]

*Some K-pop fangirls are like "I want to be a trainee. I will audition for this ent! I want to be an idol"but they don't know the bad things that will gonna happen to them😢*

[@Poisonlover323]

When I was young, I always want to be a trainee. But, my dream completely shattered once I knew the truth behind these companies. Ever since then, I stop liking K-pop. Most of the celebrities might regret their choice too just like these girls.

[@nytecrawlr]

When i was young i wanted to go to college without knowing what will gonna happen to me..

[@Poisonlover323]

starst9 same but not everyday, though. And that’s not going to happen if you’re diligent. Most of students in my class they’re diligent so, they hv no problem sleeping

[@_cherrychi_]

Lizerio I don’t like the Kpop industry but I still stan Kpop groups. They worked hard to get to the point they are at so I mine as well support them! It’s really sad what they have to go through though...health is what matters the most for them!

[@mwansakapambwe968]

I can only imagine the American music industry...the levels

[@nodameishalal]

SM: 90% of physical sales go to them while only 10% go to artists

[@thiramshetty3421]

Omg really

[@hafsamiller1758]

Yeah

[@bunnynana6224]

Oh my God! 😭😭😭

[@tytr4ck178]

Only physically album, that's why sm's group doing a lot of tours :") Also, in sm for promotion stuff or debut and comeback expense idols dont have to paid into it :")

[@manjoogurung1935]

It isn't really true like there's no proof about it and we know that sm idols are one of the richest idols in kpop.

[@recon441]

Damn her Dad couldn't even wish her a happy birthday in person 😕 if they told me to pack my bags and go I wouldn't have come back!

[@vibhasinirawal7771]

It's actually easy to say but companies hugely invests on trainees and idols. In any case, a trainee leaves the group beforehand he/she falls on a huge debt which is nearly impossible to pay. So they have no alternatives other than to continue.

[@jul2447]

This happened to b.a.p They couldn't see them. What happened to The East Light is more heartbreaking😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@maka7600]

Yes, this is modern day slavery. Why do they stay?

[@kokhowe]

@@maka7600 for the promise of fame and glamour.

[@lNovalandl]

@@kokhowe rather, they stay because legally they would hold no power having signed a contract and everything

[@gwiyomi813]

After hearing how YG stole Blackpink’s tour money to go gambling, I think I’m ready for their tea too

[@TheIceMann007]

When I first saw this comment I thought you were talking about YG the rapper until I found out it was a south Korean entertainment company. For a second I was like "What the hell is YG doing stealing from Korean popstars?!"

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

j lαliѕα If that is true, then I feel bad for them and that is extremely sad.

[@imfromfutureandimfrompast2824]

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj it is true

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

xleanx 666 Ok since that is true, we can see more and more proof of how dark and black the Kpop and entertainment industry is. Hope more people will realize how tough the artists have it and behind that glamour lies a dark and sad reality.

[@cyvenfx7271]

lmao I thought you meant YG the rapper

[@BluntlyBlondie]

Damn. And we thought Hollywood, Disney and nickelodeon were bad.

[@streetough]

Sadly, at least in the music industry, it's not much different

[@fugidincaleatirului6687]

@• Salsa what makes you think there are no cases here as well? It's just that it's more hidden

[@amorosa4life]

This agency is under Sony. So it's kinda the same thing.

[@boris001000]

This is a pin-worthy comment.

[@tribesail1336]

Yea

[@belle4919]

SHE'S IN HER 30s WHAT SHE LOOKS SO YOUNG :0

[@RibbonVintageGirl]

I thought she was 25

[@suckmaballs4294]

Plastic surgery

[@astoriasxyle5713]

No bro. She looks 30. And thirty's not that old.

[@신수현-d3t]

@@suckmaballs4294 Why do you think all the idols had plastic surgery?It is true that Asians look young for their age.

[@1000rogueleader]

@@신수현-d3t Plastic surgery is actually extremely common South Korean. Hell, a trip to the plastic surgeon is a common High school graduation gift for young girls. It is practically certain that every K-Pop idol you see has had some form of plastic surgery to look that way. I think its even written into some contracts.

[@becauseijustdid4367]

She speaks so eloquently and is still kind in her words despite the treatment she's received. I hope she has a very successful life 💜

[@LunaJBkrazieluv]

Agreed. Very articulate in speaking truth but without insulting. Shame they were treated so badly but she seems happy now

[@mahashivalinivivagaran3627]

BecauseIJustDid 💜

[@AbdulMajid-fg3ko]

@Mitch 1066 yeah....law sue is very Dangerous thing

[@Angel-de4er]

This only makes me despise the idol industry, companies are really abusive.

[@sirswearsalot1813]

It's not a big secret. Fans just seem to ignore it though.

[@darshnac1522]

its not related to idol industry either, just see the whole scandal with Taylor or Kesha, no one is safe, companies from everywhere are trash, US just know how to hide it better of course, not all companies are like that, so if you want to be an artist please do some research in companies, do not conform with little things

[@bobbowie9350]

You have to write your own music. These members are hand picked by the record companies.

[@Graestra]

It's one of the reasons I'll never get into K-pop and support it. The industries in other countries have their own issues, but from what I can tell it's not as bad as in Korea. Maybe they just hide it better, but you'd think there'd be people like this exposing it.

[@chuforeichi]

I think it differs from company to company

[@tina7151]

I wish someone will regulate this industry more...they all seem like they're over worked and under paid.

[@najmaht.a.1314]

when you become an idol, debut from being a trainee, you have to "pack back" the lessons and marketing and stuff the company gives you. so you won't get paid for a long time (the longer you're a trainee, some idols even train for more than 5 years, the more you have to "pay back").

[@tina7151]

@@najmaht.a.1314 but with this girl she was only a trainee for a month or so but she still had to give 60+% of her salary plus pay for 50% of the accommodation. Something is fishy-dishy...

[@darshnac1522]

it used to be worse, but a few years dark secrets came to life and they (somewhat) regulate the conditions

[@districtskz]

@@najmaht.a.1314 I heard big3 companies actually stopped this rule

[@michellep1555]

Kri Bu most are kids as well

[@miasaur3464]

this is not confession. this is exposing the harsh treatment on kpop idols by companies. and fans need to know.

[@jimmyliaw1442]

It's not easy to succeed as a kpop idol... but when you're succeed, its not forever to be on top...

[@pheromone714]

Jimmy Liaw right..example: 2ne1

[@Lyre206]

Jimmy Liaw right. Others will come

[@CAT101]

so true 😭

[@CAT101]

DBSK, SJ, SNSD... etc.

[@jungyerinslonglostspiritan8750]

We fans of certain groups, have to cherish them when we still can😭

[@roberta7936]

they should make this type of video with some member of B.A.P. I'm sure they have a lot to say about their agency

[@_cherrychi_]

Roberta OH yes Please!! I wanna see what BAP has to say about TS entertainment and all the bad stuff they had to go through 😞😒

[@NicoleTheeHomebody]

YES

[@biasedlyunbiased883]

Jumin, is that you?

[@beta910]

Honestly anyone who used to be from TS should come

[@Kunn0ichiL3g3nd]

I feel like they would have so much to say, it would turn into an hour and a half long movie. I'd be here for it!

[@imaginebeingyes.8529]

You know what I can't wait to hear about blackpinks confessions

[@waanwayan5581]

same

[@yeonjunismyson]

Anh Nguyen I mean kinda but black pink is under yg

[@yeonjunismyson]

Yg would never let that happen (even if they weren’t still part of the company)

[@samucast5361]

They are hiding LOTS of things in that building, and Blackpink can't say anything... Blackpink is the only hope for yg right now

[@cupidream9702]

Anh Nguyen He treated them badly even publicly saying he thought they were ugly and that blackpink “were the prettier version of 2NE1”. Whenever she does come out, I won’t be shocked.

[@denysaidan4886]

5:27 : company ? I prefer refering them as "mafia".

[@bdhcjckdsl8189]

Nice one

[@parasaurolofun]

I never knew Crayon Pop disbanded, I thought they were just on a long hiatus. I hope they can all live a less stressful life now.

[@neal00]

I don't think Crayon Pop ever officially disbanded, but the girls also never renewed their contract with the company.

[@OnnaNiSacheAre]

@@neal00 i THINK they announced a comeback, but Soyul had panic attacks so she left, but little time after she got married. Many people thought that the panic attacks were an excuse. Since then, we had no news about a comeback or contracts renewal, until now that Way confirmed it

[@mel_sj]

Tbh their newer songs after Bar Bar Bar did not create that much buzz, and at that time Soyul announced her marriage. I guess it was then that the group's future was starting to become uncertain

[@rubberband9581]

way and choa tried to start their own group i think

[@OnnaNiSacheAre]

@@rubberband9581 no, Strawberry milkshake (something like that) was an official Crayon Pop sub unit with choa and way

[@choutzuyu8915]

so... -no friends -no family -no dating -no privacy -slavery -in debt that's literally *hell*

[@VittamarFasuthAkbin]

welcome to hell joseon watching commercial kpop is immoral and supports this system

[@YourXellency]

That’s my life as a Black person with no fame in America lol

[@sternalevin1069]

Not all companies are like that most of the time smaller companies are more strict

[@thaiveds2738]

@@sternalevin1069 not smaller, I have heard almost every company is like that, Lol. Just recently even a member from black pink was criticised for dating, even though she denied the rumour, she was still trolled by Koreans like it was a crime. Hyuna and his boyfriend was thrown out from the agency for dating, lol

[@nemanjaras]

No sex too

[@yones6958]

They can't even see their families? How harsh can they be?

[@indiciaobscure]

Families might tell them something is wrong. Can't let that happen!

[@SD-ir1vf]

But this is Korea. It’s all in the contract and they count on the young teenager not reading the whole thing. And if they do they are not going to understand everything. They have hopes of being the next B.T.S.

[@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj]

민초먹는애 Yup they sacrifice a lot to achieve their dreams.

[@justarandomsovietofficerwi2023]

@@SD-ir1vf Burn the entire country.

[@happyhappy-po6fm]

@@SD-ir1vf but even bts never gets to meet their families. They mentioned in one episode recently that they meet them only 2 or 3 times a year

[@wimzswimz9843]

I can't deny that being korean idol seems so much fun. The popularity of korean songs is booming. But, with such strict and inhuman procedures from getting paid $12,250 per 3 months -> unpaid -> until getting accused of the debt, i think kpop industry seems to be kind of scam!!! No wonder that many members commited suicide to death. Btw, i'm glad that her life is getting better by becoming the content creator. I hope her career after the end of crayon band will be always bright.

[@anissadiraa5310]

so sweet! it's a korean phenomenon! we dont have that stuff in Europe!!

[@monsterbaek1648]

Not all company the same but this one crayon pop in is small company ofc they got even more harsher slavery contracts

[@MiniMoBlog]

hearing things like this from such a HUGE group, I wonder how little groups are being treated

[@someguy5874]

They are probably less strict i guess? But ofc also less income lol.

[@carolineorendain2012]

Crayon Pop had never been a huge o that popular as a group....

[@JM-hd3lr]

Minni Mo crayon pop wasn't huge or from a huge company

[@ICSMlovingJY]

@@carolineorendain2012 they used to be really HUGE in "Bar Bar Bar" era.

[@jul2447]

Do you guys know what happened to The East Light?😭They are kids who were abused

[@annafu6436]

It’s so sad to see k-pop stars always smiling when you know things like this happen

[@foottoast4235]

They always happen lol no one is treated good there

[@little_miss_sunshinee]

i always though pretend to be happy and never say something that could make fans worry is part of fanservice

[@joanna8237]

@@little_miss_sunshinee what the hell

[@rrabiya.zz006.]

Ikr

[@rrabiya.zz006.]

@@little_miss_sunshinee yah but also to not get hate as some people will say they r pretending for attention. People are toxic

[@Fridate]

This is why I never understand why Kpop groups have so many members. Once all of the money is divided, they are probably making minimum wage.

[@miki28miss]

That is exactly why compagnies like large groups!! I don't know if you guys noticed but as the years go by the kpop scenes become more and more satured (there are literally groups which debut every second it's crazy!!!!) and there are more and more groups with large number of members (Loona, NCT, Seventeen IZ*ONE, Wanna One, The Boyz, Cherry Bullet, Treasure and the list goes on and on...). It's obvious that it's more lucrative for the compagnies

[@kimjongun2224]

Jhanna Garcia well having that many members is also has many consequences as: the more members the more scandals. The more members the more hate. The more members the less you are going to get paid. The more members the less attention to the actual people of the group. If only one person gets popular out of a group that one person has to pay the debt of the other members too.

[@kimjongun2224]

Jhanna Garcia there was a kpop group like 11 years ago which had like 64 members in it.

[@kimjongun2224]

Jhanna Garcia well I forgot the kpop group’s name as the name was hard to learn and I read about them in a couple of Twitter threads.

[@kimjongun2224]

Jhanna Garcia the sad part is that the group was only popular because they had so many members and not because the people where talented.

[@erinkoks9706]

I really enjoyed the style and structure of this interview. The presenter was very respectful and attentative with no interruptions while the Idol (girl) was honest, answered the questions fully and stayed sincere in her response. This video really gave a brilliant insight into a much speculated topic and I appreciate the effort that went into making and presenting this. Thank you, Asian Boss.

[@JESUSISLORDFOREVERMORE888]

Erin Koks Me too, Erin. Aloha from Hawaii. 8/16/19

[@grayc3814]

Aisian Boss has been doing a great job interviewing lately! A very strong channel producing raw content is refreshing. I would love to see interviews with manga artists and animators in the future!!!

[@chilln2009]

TRUE!

[@journeybeyondthesea]

Gracey Cowles fr! I love manga and I would love to see that

[@jin-cg9vz]

An interview with the author of solo leveling / true beauty will blow the channel up.

[@hakimazhukha]

Voice actor anime also interesting to be revealed, though less people notice it..

[@carlo8802]

Great idea

[@highoncaffeine4544]

Interviewer-Are you a K-pop idol? Idol-Yes Interviewer- what did it cost? Idol- *everything* Interviewer -*oh* (as in John Wick)

[@iu2]

I don't get it. What is a john wick?

[@mujariwa3696]

Nice.

[@lalakuma9]

Lol I thought that was a Thanos reference.

[@urmyfavkindofnight]

@@lalakuma9 same ahaha

[@LeeoGoneWild]

My favorite singer, U;Nee, committed suicide way back in 2007 because of the pressure of this industry. I’ll NEVER forget the day I found out when I came home from school and I had so many messages on Soompi from people saying how sorry they were that it happened and I was like, “what… happened…?”

[@alexaeulogio]

I miss Crayon Pop so much... Never clicked on a video so fast.

[@brianbevinius8784]

Same here 😣

[@ameliewong8228]

Omg 😮 me too!

[@andrefaelnar]

I missed this group so much 😔😔😔 I used to put bar bar bar or uh-ee on repeat back then 😁😁😁 I hope way is doing great now that she is not an idol anymore and I wish her and the rest of the crayon pop members nothing but the best 😊😊😊

[@avrahamvidal4255]

Alexa Eulogio Me Too

[@DaCollectaholic]

Wha der fandom name ?🤔

[@MrMo-zf4ul]

K_Pop Star: Finally getting paid Management: Actually you're in debt

[@organharvester1983]

If lady gaga knew about what happened to them I wonder if she would shame the company, especially aftey they worked for free and still got debt.

[@neptune8688]

I hope Lady gaga watch this video one day she was a fan

[@Eldaiea_Shorts]

@Sephora Ndaya Mutubile to expose the company

[@DemonFox369]

Can you interview a manga artist? Not sure if they'd have time though. Or an anime animator.

[@heyhey3329]

Yass plsssss

[@timmarrr234]

They might be able to interview Togashi, considering how many hiatus he takes 😂

[@brittanys505]

please interview yuu watase!!!!

[@alienxthemostpowerfulficti2888]

@@timmarrr234 xDD

[@josiesarael8275]

That wouldn't happen, they may spoil some scene like oda being interviewed about the future of one piece anime.

[@mdjalo8551]

I would love to see an interview with one of the members of B.A.P

[@marsiimel]

precisely Bang Yongguk

[@_cherrychi_]

M Djalo YEsssSss

[@reilaless]

Absolutely! I'm sure BYG has a lot to say from his experience as an idol and independent artist.

[@priscihc123]

YES! All of them!

[@rabiakaraklc3318]

compared to other idols of the time B.A.P was brave enough to go to a hiatus and now i really want Asian Boss to connect one of them and learn more about the diffuculties they have gone through

[@dr.c196]

You become a "product" not a "person" when you become an idol in kpop.

[@dr.c196]

@Susie X well... the things you refer to are things that happened in 1970s 1980s when people didnt care much about human rights and were uneducated.... we are in 2019.... things that happen in kpop should not be happening period.

[@onniechan1626]

actually i have saying a same things to my cousin since she is a heavy kpop idol fan n i am a kpop idol too but i m telling her that idol is a factory product once they getting old and u will forger about them and she really forget about them when she always change fandom every year because she said the previous idol is old i m like what u like them because they young i mean we are not gonna be forever young soo

[@kiwibean6]

Nurul Tasnim Ask.her what if she became a idol.and ppl forgot her or changed fandom too just by saying u ate old.or ur not good anymore.......just saying cause my sis.was.same but now she is all changed.....♥

[@MarkDeSade100]

You think that only applies to Kpop? All large corporations view their employees as just financial assets on paper. If getting rid of you will benefit the company more than keeping you employed then you're gone in a second. Some companies have even been caught taking out life insurance policies on employees without their knowledge because they want to "offset" the impact that your *death* could have on their ledgers.

[@kucingmasjid_3345]

Yes this comment is true

[@guguigugu]

i used to like kpop and followed it for almost 10 years, but i gave up on it because of stories like these. these idols deserve better. the industry is entirely built on slave contracts and exploitation of vulnerable children (some idols start training as early as 10-11 yo).

[@_cherrychi_]

guguigugu yeah sometimes even younger then 10 like 7 :((

[@A-Wa]

exactly the same story! listened for years kpop and after TVXQ members sued sm entertainment, I started to look deeper in this industry and stopped being a kpop fan

[@KatherineSone]

@@sulsur4151 the thing I believe is the more you support underrated artists the better chance they have at earning money like I always say to people don't focus on views buy the song (digital or physical) if you can bc it's more likely the artist will get money out of it

[@thenightshiner2744]

same here. I'm in my 6th year of being into kpop and the more time passes the more apparent it becomes to me how repetitive the music and concepts have become, how poorly treated the trainees and idols are and basically how bad it all actually is.

[@Bibimbapski]

@@KatherineSone most of the money still goes to the agency and not the artist.

[@Leeya28]

This is why JYJ left TVXQ. They were the biggest group at that time and the trio were so set on leaving because they couldn’t stand it anymore

[@JeremiahFernandez]

_we used our first paychecks to pay off our bank loans_ man, that is screwed up

[@nVinter]

How is that different from student loans in the US?

[@doddyhidayat.]

@@nVinter Way different

[@stohess]

Vinter it’s that idols are more pressured

[@whrabbittt]

That's korean business for ya. They invest money in you for albums, outfits, shows, promotion etc. and yes the idols have to pay their company back, everything that they have invested in. It's like: we make you famous, but not for free ofcourse.

[@kita4614]

Because the company essentially covers everything. From basic necessities like food n a place to live, to producers and clothing for their comeback. Certain kpop cuts are much worse than this, crayon pop was treated decently in comparison

[@lildumpling0916]

I'm so glad we're getting exposure from more and more members now that they've moved on and doing well. First Soyul in Return of Superman, and now Way on KZbin.

[@ggultraps]

Ellin is also an active streamer~ she makes bank doing it too lmao

[@unkochan2853]

Yeah

[@vipblackjack8079]

The REAL life inside Kpop industry..and she chose her words carefully

[@thesunrisechick6878]

Yup. I’m sure they could still try and sue her if she spoke badly about the company.

[@valdusoswald7130]

Interview CL from 2NE1 - she got all the tea about YG I swear.. 😷

[@nattommo6024]

Unfortunately she won’t be able to say much as he could sue her for defamation...

[@johnmarieredondo3863]

YG is strict but they're nothing compared to this Company. Artists in YG is being paid more than YG itself, that is why their artists is one of the richest idols in kpop. And take note, YG spend 100,000 dollars every year for every trainee but you have to work hard in return. That is how they are being treated there.

[@kookiesnmilk6950]

When she talked about the sandbags I was like, they training her to be like Rock Lee LMAOOO

[@joshxtrbl]

You see with the 6th gate you can perform dance moves much better

[@OnePiece-ur8sk]

lol 🤣

[@violetsparkles5453]

Yay I’m not the only one

[@yvonne830]

From Naruto?

[@annikawhoever93]

I hate that I understand this lmao

[@janis_]

I was shocked to learn Crayon Pop’s already disbanded. I’ve always loved them for their spirit. This made me so sad. Thank you Asian Boss for featuring Way! I didn’t know she’s on KZbin now.

[@teebolt45]

I still have their song in my phone

[@hans3331000]

their spirit came from suffering, i hate that. We shouldn't support k-pop if this is what they do to the performers, i respect them as human beings far too much to care about k-pop. Everyone deserves a safe and healthy lifestyle, not just the gross employers.

[@mybstisbts4597]

jim halpert Exactly! That why I only support artists that actually come from good companies that treat their artists well

[@marti4828]

Ka Chan you can notice it. One of the examples is bighit entertainment. They treat their artists well since the artists themselves look and act happier, they can date, aren’t abused like in some very disgusting companies, allow them to show their true selves, allow them to make their own music and write lyrics about what they want etc. This company has a ceo of very high iq and started this company since he thought the companies were very unfair and wrong. Their company allow their artists to be human and not manufactured idols. Currently they have only two groups called BTS and TXT.

[@mybstisbts4597]

Your loss Thanks for the explanation! As an ARMY I’m thankful.

[@ChrisTine-mf7cq]

I appreciate her willingness to speak candidly about her and many idols experiences, definitely not all glamour as the industry lead fans to believe. This was very enlightening, thank you!

[@agnedragunaite3418]

The whole idol culture sounds like cults to me honestly.

[@Nothing-zw3yd]

If I showed up on my daughter's birthday and they tried to turn me away, there would be a trail of unconscious people on my way up to see her.

[@mukulmehra007]

Yeah plus a blood stained baseball bat...

[@shriyarao2570]

Hhh

[@shriyarao2570]

Huhh

[@shriyarao2570]

Aaaa

[@ChiSbaObePcheH11]

Well, think about it this way, you know your daughter has worked for this for years, and has invested countless hours of training and practise into this...are you going to risk that by starting a fight?

[@phoebeho4221]

The k-pop industry sounds as exploitive as the modelling industry

[@pinkcru]

search up the EastLight scandal

[@tzuyu9283]

Pros: -Doing what you love -sharing what you love with others while performing -connecting with fans -being a role model -being in the public eye (maybe good) -travel Cons: -practice 3/4 of your day -joining a shady company -conforming to harsh beauty standards - little to no creative control -risk physical, verbal, and sexual abuse -not enough income to support yourself -neck deep in debt if you do not do well -little to no contact with friends, family -no romantic relationships ever -having no voice -no room for mistakes And I oop-

[@FivedaCj]

At times I really wonder why they choose to go this way although in some cases they know how harsh the industry is... I truly respect them for holding onto their dreams despite the hardships 💜 this breaks my heart too... They deserve all the love and respect 💕

[@jackietang3789]

Add on another con which is yourself or your group may never even break out of nugudom with how saturated and really competitive the current K-pop market is. Another con could be that you have to be really lucky to make it big if you don't have big 3 connections.

[@Athenal0ve]

I don’t know about the other cons, but for Mamamoo and Big Bang they have significant creative control. Mamamoo from the start focused on performance skills, not beauty. They seem to have more trust from their company, are often seen eating huge meals, to the envy of other idols. I do wonder how unique MMM’s situation is compared to the rest.

[@missfxckit1202]

I think it depends of what company they're signing to, Mamamoo are happy with their company, and if i remember correctly Solar or Hwasa said that they choose what they want to wear, something that companies almost never allow their idols to do. Big Hit its another great example, bts were into the production of their music since debut.

[@evelynmason9611]

Yes, I agree that the kpop industry is messed up, but the trainees go into this knowing what was expected of them. This is just my perspective, but I would give anything to have most of my day to practice what I love, and to have the chance to perform in front of a large audience. For those without that dream, it would be insanity to take part in such a harsh industry, but some people are willing to sacrifice a lot for their dreams.

[@cheryl522]

Wow this really hits a lot harder after realising jamjam's mom was in the same group experiencing the same things. I'm happy she living a better life with her family now

[@Someone-uq2zq]

I love that people acknowledge the kpop industry is highly abusive to their idols but still support it.

[@joontheestallion796]

Just love the idols, not the company. Most kpopers do that

[@Someone-uq2zq]

Laji Molala by going to their concerts you’re still supporting the pattern. These companies need to be shut down for doing this to people. They can’t even DATE. Because companies know fans are in love with them. It’s so nasty and they act like they’re characters

[@joontheestallion796]

@@Someone-uq2zq but we can't just unstan like that. If they don't receive support, it would be worse, just enjoy the music that's enough for me

[@catalayalafaye5337]

You are using your phone to watch this, right? The new iPhone costs like 1000 € at my country. The material you need for one is worth 50 €. You need also some money for development and advertisement. for example 100 €. (This is way to much for one phone but...) 1000 - 100 - 50 = 850 € The profit Apple wins for selling ONE phone is 850 €. Everytime. They are using kids to build these phones like every big company. These kids won't have a future. They didn't even have the right to choose. So yeah, kpoppers are bad, they know how the artists are treated and still support them. They could simply boycott them (which would definitely hurt the idols more than the companys) and every thing would be Pease butter pancake. So do the same with companys like Apple (or any big company which sells phones). But nobody wanna. You want your phone, you want living a chill life. This is human nature. We see bad things happening, we will pity these people, but after this we will go back to our lives and do absolutely nothing. Same goes with climate change. We could stop it, but we just don't want to loose our comfort.

[@joontheestallion796]

@@catalayalafaye5337 please people. Let everyone enjoy music ;-; it's not even a bad thing to enjoy music. it's like we're being forbidden to be kpopers. Btw i use android .I don't want to continue this argument anymore since it's kind of waste of time

[@handi_chun597]

wtf! performed with Lady Gaga and ended with some debt 🤨 what kind of job is that?? even a volunteer won't end up with debt i thought

[@teebolt45]

Shady company, must blacklisted

[@bapyongukgukguk2352]

Stupid Ceo's with HUGE GIGANTIC ego

[@jraise2760]

Do you think with the success of BTS, they have money in the bank? These K-pop groups suffer more than we could imagine, that's why many are taking their lives ( depression). I mean most groups have more than 5members, the companies pays their rent, pay for the gym memberships, most likely buys their clothings, so how much do you think is left from the earned income to be shared by the company, the manager and the 10 members. These Idols are working tooth and nail but the truth is they ain't making any money.

[@ILoveYellow.]

Actually, BTS members have money in the bank. Otherwise how could some of them be able to buy apartments that costs more than 1M dollars?.....سل ر ‌ه ۸۹

[@jraise2760]

@@ILoveYellow. Sure they do their success is not deniable but the richest is worth between 6-8 millions( he writes, produces and does other side hustles) which might seem a lot to us normal people you there are KZbinrs making that same amount every single year. Am not downplaying them, I have been into K-pop for sometime now, am just saying they put in a lot, they are under a lot of stress, most of them are forced into surgeries because there is a certain picture Korea is trying to send out but the earn little for their sweat.

[@MrWasJustInBibear]

The girl: - We were not allowed to eat, we were not allowed to sleep, we were not allowed to walk outside. Interviewer: - I just wonder, i've heard that pop-idols are not allowed to go on dates, can you tell us about it? 10\10 best journalist

[@sittaculidae8]

?

[@RameoMTL]

@@sittaculidae8 I think they're saying that the interviewer could have touched up more on the inhumane topics that was presented rather than jump to the dating question which is pretty much irrelevant

[@shinn3003]

From a while I've been so fascinated by the positive side of being an idol , being loved by millions of people and the fame and money I slightly wished I had that kinda life but now after actually understanding what it really takes to get there I think I'm fine living a life in private full of freedom . Although they do get a lot of positive things it really only gets better if you become super successful like bts or blackpink etc , there is no certainty of actually making that big , even if you go become that successful you still can't do what normal people can and hang out wherever and whenever , honestly really sad , they deserve so much better treatment.

[@KirstinBelle]

yes omg me too! like watching twice i would be so in awe of them, which is what led me down this kpop rabbit hole in the first place, but now hearing abt what sm trainees go through like oh my god i feel sick just watching idols after knowing what majority of them had to go through to get to where they are now :/

[@harayaalirak4040]

Working at the company from 4am all the way to midnight? Wow, and I thought school from 5am-4pm was bad...

[@jaustmike9001]

Try healthcare. You're basically on call 24/7 for the rest of your working life while being treated like crap by nurses, doctors and some patients. 😭

[@NA-dx6kn]

What kind of school starts at 5am??

[@LDLK]

wow .. you mean you woke up at 5am? i didnt know any school from 5-4! My school was from 6-2:30 ...

[@granny435]

Is that even legal ??

[@annej5550]

@@NA-dx6kn There are schools in Asia that are like that. When I was in high school, I go to class from 7 am to 7 pm. Public schools sometimes start way before that.