The United States, China, and the Future of the Global Order

[@asiasociety]

Watch Kishore Mahbubani latest talk at Asia Society: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2Oonoxted9_arc

[@ikonoclastic]

Mr. Mahbabani is one of a kind. He's a great ambassador for Asians, Indians, southeast Asia.

[@siokkimtan2020]

I am from MELAKA, Malaysia. Since 15th century China already trade With Melaka. They never conquered us, only trade. BUT the west Portuguese, English and Dutch came with cannons to conquer us and said we belong to them. They each stayed for years.

[@Liboch]

Actually China has been trading with this region for thousands of years. If you are a history buff you will have to refer to the chinese records to know about this region historic past. Since Melaka was founded only in 1402, a chinese admiral, a trade envoy started to visit Melaka in 1403, a year after its establishment. Once the Europeans managed to find their way to this region, they started to invade the kingdoms. Except for Siam, all kingdoms in south east asia were conquered by the Europeans.. portuguese, spanish, dutch, french, english, american for more than 400 hundred years.

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

For centuries, not years.

[@westwoodly]

Ha, ha, ha - the European "founded" Melaka and many other parts of the world. Before them, Melaka in the Malay peninsula was lost, unknown, non-existent (to who, I wonder?}

[@jatinpatel1224]

@@Liboch Malay King of sanatani heritage established his capital in Malacca. CCP has colonial tendency to rewrite history. They are brutal occupiers of Tibet, Yunnan, Uighur and Inner Mongolia. King Camboj established largest hindu temple complex which stand up as historical evidence that zionist CCP does not want to talk about like colonial europeans.

[@alanbgtan]

And that is why the west are known as barbarians

[@kamwong8118]

The scholarship and patience of Kishore put to shame the folly and bias of Orville.

[@VChong1991]

Orville alreaddy made up his mind to bash China the moment he sat his pale ass down on that chair.

[@tvc3mye]

Is there any evidence to support your view then?

[@诚聘板主]

In the eyes of Indonesians and Malaysians, Singapore is a Chinese colony. If Singapore and China get too close

[@sxyline4807]

@sam123sderok, you can minus another 20 % of that India in that calculation and how much % is that? US math is any good these days? 😅

[@meganfoxbf]

a famous china lackey

[@jasmineloi7345]

As a Singaporean, I am so proud of my country and so proud of Kishore Mahbubani.

[@troutstalker7855]

I'm not Singaporean, but, I think SG is a wonderful country as a whole and kishore has demonstrated once again what a pro and an amateur looks like.

[@greentea8852]

Singapore has a lot of brilliant people. My favourite politician and leader is Mr. Lee Kuan Yew.

[@kongkong1364]

be warned, usa has increasing influence on sg gov

[@ggc7318]

Sorry, Kishore is the biggest smiling snake. The USA and the West are not perfect , but China ?

[@parnamsaini4751]

Really??

[@alexeyzayko3464]

I'm from Russia. Mr. Mahbubani please accept my deep respect. We have good diplomats but you outperform them evidently.

[@remix-yy1hs]

Mr lavrov is the diplomat in the world. No one is close. I am from somalia. The world respects mr lavrov

[@chamade166]

Damn, the Russia-China-NorthKorea-Somalia bots are out in full force propping up their dictatorships. 😅

[@osmanjerry3272]

In the 16, 17 century you have the British, French, Dutch etc. Earlier on we had the Viking. Now we have US and the Wests. Their common characteristics are powers, then control over the weaker lots. Mankind has come to the stage that powers is to build to construct and not to benefit oneself only.

[@swchan6152]

@@osmanjerry3272 So，as you say, when the British, French and Dutch had their maritime supremacy during the 16 to 19 century, did they built any useful and constructive things for mankind but not to benefit themselves only? And also, do you think what the US and its alliances have done has contributed to the world nowadays?

[@michaelloo8985]

Kishore is excellent.. can't say much about Orville who went off his supposed talk but just attacked venomously at Kishore for his rational and insightful views. Kishore is calm, elegant, composed and as usual brilliant in his reponse. Well done, Kishore

[@steveyeung4797]

"Orville who went off his supposed talk but just attacked venomously"

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@steveyeung4797just remember either the United States wins or everyone will lose.

[@ytfanlingeric]

Orville is so anti-China that he did not show much professionalism.

[@诚聘板主]

A large number of Chinese people smuggle into the United States. Have you ever seen Americans smuggling into China? The Chinese are engaging in fraud in Myanmar, the Philippines, and Cambodia. Have you ever seen Westerners engaging in fraud in these countries? China is reclaiming reefs and building islands off the coast of the Philippines. Have you ever seen Westerners reclaiming reefs and building islands in the South China Sea?

[@alvinchua9436]

Not sure how Orville can be a China Expert when he only represented 12% of the population and has no Geopolitical view of what is happening outside US. He is so self-centred and unprepared. Like what someone mentioned here, he has no stand to what he is saying. I do hope that he knows where Singapore is on the map as 80% of the Americans don't even know where Singapore is. Asians are definitely not more comfortable with US. In fact, Asians are the true believer of free trade and fair competiton.

[@seeker2118]

Kishore Mabubani is one of the best most insightful geopolitical realist analyst. He has been predicting most of the events unfolding today.

[@TheVafa95]

Yes, but he gives a partial explanation. A realist, yes, but what about a visionary?

[@seeker2118]

@@TheVafa95 Well I have read all his books written I think since before 2016 and listened to a few of his lectures and most of what he stated are unfolding just as he stated them. Also many of the suggestions he made would have solved many of the issues today that he identified. So I also agree he is also one of the best modern day visionary.

[@TheVafa95]

@@seeker2118what is his vision for the future? Has he expanded on his analogy of the boat?

[@TheVafa95]

@@seeker2118 Seeker is a meaningful name you have chosen. These days many children know that through cooperation one can achieve more than through competition and fighting is bad.. Visionary is someone who knows where humanity "has to be going" like Confucius who 2,500 years ago said that, When the perfect order prevails, the world is like a home shared by all. Virtuous and capable people are elected to public offices; trust and peace are the maxims of living among the people..." The closest thing Kishore has said is that we are all on one ship and the ship has no captain. I have not heard him to say, what steps humanity has to take, to have a world governing system to avoid wars and bloodshed. And to guide humanity out of collective danger it is facing. If he has written anything expanding on the analogy of ship, please share it.

[@seeker2118]

@@TheVafa95 The analogy he shared about the planet being a ship and we being all passengers in different cabins is from his book, I think "The Great convergence" where he goes deeper into the great dilemmas humanity now face. The idea of putting our differences aside and ignoring our selfish tendencies as if we don't learn to work together we will end together. His other titles: "Has China Won" and the very short but profound and in my opinion prophetic "Has the West Lost it" are extremely good as they basically predicted the issues that we face today and his suggestions on how these issues could have been avoided. His books will be more interesting for people from the global south as we are better able to relate, but more difficult to accept by Westerners who hold on to a sense of entitlement and superiority.

[@joy1ess]

kishore nailed it with the vietnam reference. if US had a problem with authoritarian regimes, why do they cozy up to saudi arabia? an absolute monarchy that has no democratically elected leadership and a country that forbids women from driving?

[@rickychang2893]

Yup, Kishore nails it. Why would Kissinger flew all the way to Beijing in the 70's to shake Mao's hand if the US government doesn't want to work with autocratic government. Didn't they consider Mao autocratic then?

[@westwoodly]

Americans are experts at pinning stories. They have Hollywood. Communism is evil, but they want to befriend a communist country.

[@lindagonzalez5513]

You only become autocratic when the can’t use you 😂

[@tweedy4sg]

Not only the Saudis. The entire Mid-East with the exception of 1 or 2 are not democratic countries. All oil-rich ones are not and ironically they're all cultivated as "allies" by US. So it's clear it's not ideology that's making the US shifts it's policy to confront China. It's the threat a rising China could do to it's hegemonic position. IN fact Biden Admin, CIA, Congress have all stated this openly. But they send out this low quality PR guy cum propagandist like this Orville to try to turn the tables on China instead. As if the entire is dumb enough to fall for his silly ploy.

[@spadeysay6846]

The US regime is a shameless HYPOCRITE.

[@gnkira]

well said prof. kishore, wishing from malaysia !

[@DanielYong-c7n]

We are so proud of Kishore Mahbuhani not only as Singaporeans, but as world citizens.

[@alanbgtan]

I am so proud of Singapore who has produced Kishore and Mr Chew of TikTok CEO.

[@mcgaretse77]

too bad... we SG still have a large numbers like Calvin cheng + Bihari... who are anti-china and muslim ...😂

[@Andy-P]

Kishore say other countries not now dominated by superpowers.... unless that superpower is China or Russia

[@limayanon]

He is talking like a dick

[@诚聘板主]

I am a Singaporean and I am not proud of this person. Please don’t speak for all Singaporeans.

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

Just one question for Orville: name me a third nation other than Canada and Murica that abducted a top-level manager of a company without any charges. Murica did it to the French Alstom! Canada did it to Huawei! What do those actions say about Canada and Murica?!

[@blang7017]

❤❤❤❤

[@joelturley4847]

Huawei is a criminal organization

[@donkeykong8792]

National security!

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

@@donkeykong87921 hour ago National security! THIRD NATION!!! English is your second language?

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

Well said! Or, actually, well asked! 👍

[@gingermintrose]

Mr.Schell exhibits Western-biased narratives about China but is not apt to debate Mr. Muhabani. Thank you, Mr. Muhabani, for your cogent and realistic analysis outside Western media.

[@SingaporeMJ]

Im seeing as an Asian biased narratives from Mr Muhabani.. He has a myopic view on China i guess.. i find Mr Schell has legit reasons to question China intentions.. Like covid/their wolf warrior tactics/debt trapping/disregarding some International laws and norms! Its too costly to trust China with its expansionistic behaviour..!!

[@TacticalMayo]

Absolutely good job USA USA USA 🇺🇲

[@loktom4068]

One is a very wise and peace loving man, while the other is on second hand oxymoron.

[@thegracienetwork7847]

Your insecure bias against USA makes you sound small and silly

[@Andy-P]

Muhabani analysis is based outside western media but well inside CCP state media

[@dtg137]

As a Hong Kong citizen, i am totally happy with my Country China! and our leader. Let's look at the outcome of the administration. There is no need to argue about.

[@la-Kiii]

新疆人，很高兴在外网看到和我一样自豪的香港人😊

[@mkang666]

Seeing how this American speaks make me understand why the US is declining. Blinded by arrogance and I am quite sure what is in their mind. If America goes down, make sure all others go along.

[@limayanon]

your mind is twisted

[@youtaccount-v2p]

@@limayanon America is twisted. America has no power on its own population so it needs to dominate foreign population instead

[@sebastianbarthez]

​@@limayanonI bet the twisted mind is yours not his.

[@limayanon]

@@sebastianbarthez maybe it is yours read it again

[@kmsb1one]

@mkang666 Dead on! @lim-sh..t hahaha, just stay in your delusional space with the unkempt finger wagging Orville (popcorn) boy.

[@user-fu5ng2qi2d]

One is a intellect and the other is lost in space....floats from one anti China point to the next but does not have a comprehensive logical argument... It's really not fair to put this guy in the same room with a intellect.

[@TacticalMayo]

Exactly and Kishore is pro-china. You're on your side and we are on ours 🇺🇲

[@Lonelyheart1776]

Can’t agree more with your assessment. We know who is the intellect and who is the lost guy. 😂😂😂

[@Queen731.]

It is fair because he calls himself a China expert.

[@gust5992]

@@Queen731. 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@youtaccount-v2p]

He is just repeating what he read from Western medias. Can't blame him on feeding his brain on it

[@holymackerel6200]

I've only watched about 30 minutes so far, but already I'm seeing what a good escape artist Orville is. When it's his turn, instead of answering the question directly put to him by the moderator, he focuses his guns on Kishore again and again. He throws his own question at Kishore without ever answering the moderator or expressing his own point of view. The art of deflection personified.

[@michaelzm76]

👍

[@onnmohdyusoff]

I totally agree with you.

[@tandennis5817]

So true. Sadly he taken over the role of the moderator 😢

[@DukeLM]

But he still made a fool of himself

[@SH-np8hz]

I am a proud S’porean. Great respect to Mr. Kishore. Next time pls invite someone who is competent or on par with Mr Kishore. Don’t waste his time. Mr. Kishore was calm and took the stage very well. Love his analogy of BOAT. Lastly, I have no problem dealing with China or any country.

[@jeff_forsythe]

I meant 80 million.

[@carminikander4208]

The extreme imbalance in knowledge and understanding of history, diplomacy, power, human behaviour etc between the two participants to this debate actually reflects the very essence of this debate. It shows how power is moving eastwards. Mr Orville was completely out of his depth while Mr Kishore brought experience and a broad and balanced world view to the table. The contrast is so stark.

[@jeff_forsythe]

@@carminikander4208 The evil CCP has murdered 80 million of its own people since 1949. No country should be doing business with this godless regime. Oops, I forgot about human right$

[@sams8502]

Singapore is rich because it’s where China’s elite money launders to. Without a great power like the US, you would just be a vassal state that has to pay tribute. You’ve been spoiled by American hegemony and world order that you forget how countries nearby China was treated.

[@T-Bag001]

He does not understand that civilization is most important

[@王良辉]

Prof. Kishore is the kind of person that get respect and admiration when he start talking.

[@nevermind4714]

He is just a CCP MOUTHPIECE .. Don't believe everything what you see or hear...

[@chamade166]

Yea, particularly from such beacons of Enlightenment and democratic values like China and North Korea. 😂

[@lvjinbin28]

Americans talk about issues in China or around China, do you see Chinese talk about Black Lives Matter, Cuba, Mexico?

[@SometimesIamNot]

China is too busy , but not at competing USA

[@mervynhing]

ALL the time

[@snowlee-ml7rr]

In recent decades, Uncle Sam has devoted too much energy to dealing with the affairs of other countries thousands of miles away, but it has no solution to the problems within the United States (such as outdated infrastructure, drug problems, gun problems, racial issues, and political line issues, medical insurance issues, etc.), the collapse of the United States will start from within.

[@deanzaZZR]

@@mervynhingIn the news yes, In the FM's press conference, no.

[@lvjinbin28]

@@snowlee-ml7rr Because it is the United States that is pushing those issues to be greater, like sending congressmen to stand with Hong Kong rioters, funding overseas Uyghur jihadists, arming Taiwanese separatists, encouraging the Philippines to confront China, and blocking the free trade area between China, Japan and South Korea. It's all Pivot to Asia containment. This is why the United States keeps talking about China, and the United States blames China for its wolf warrior diplomacy. Americans feels angry when they failed to bully China. The way the United States wants to maintain its hegemony is to trip up its opponents. It's the equivalent of putting nails in Bolt's shoes. But China still hasn't interfereed in foreign internal affairs on other nations, China does not fund Black Lives Matter, Proud Boys, does not station troops in Cuba, does not encourage Venezuela to threaten the United States, and does not regime-change Mexico to be an anti-American regime. If the United States can take advantage of China's shortcomings, China will try to improve it. be better yourself to surpass rival.

[@kaimingraymondchoi9909]

Always a great applause to Kishore. He speaks for 88% of the world population.

[@simonlai7377]

More than that, my friend.

[@priyanshshrivastava9013]

All except g7

[@KiriAatam]

No, doesn't. The Chinese may like him as his views are bent towards them. Educated Indians don't regard him well. He is thought of to be a Chinese puppet and don't know much about India but pretends to be an expert on Indian affairs.

[@Howaretheygonnaknow]

Kishore’s opinion is extremely biased, and I strongly advise him to relinquish his Singapore passport and move to the ideal country he promotes. Meanwhile, he portrays the US as a reluctant loser, desperately fighting to maintain its status, which just makes me want to laugh out loud, especially considering that the platform of KZbin, where he is active, was invented in the US. In short, this guy is nothing but a traitor to the free world.

[@PanLi-of7ru]

@@Howaretheygonnaknow Isn’t the United States a reluctant loser? In 2016, the United States tried to launch a war against China in the South China Sea, but China accurately reported the location of its aircraft carrier and the United States was forced to flee. Since 2018, the United States has launched a trade war and a technology war in an attempt to prevent China's development. However, China is still the largest trading partner of more than 100 countries today, and China has already made 7nm chips. What other means can the United States use? Isn’t America just a reluctant loser? What's more, the "free world" you mentioned refers to the one that bans tictok? Really funny.

[@BH-2]

It's interesting how Orville Schell avoided giving his opening position and started on the attack. Kishore Mahbubani spoke with facts, data and logic - very refreshing to hear.

[@dypk.2all]

Why doesn't Shnell talk about Okinawa, Chagos, Gracia Diego, Hawaii? Why the US comes all the way to South East Asia to tell Asean what they should or should not do? China is the largest exporter to the world. So isn't it China's interest to safeguard the waters in the South China Sea. Why has the Us poking its nose into the affairs of countries in the Far East?

[@greentea8852]

To keep their hegemon. No country is allowed to surpass usa.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@greentea8852and they will not.

[@greentea8852]

@@TacticalMayoYes, they will not be able to keep their hegemony.

[@Cheesecake99YearsAgo]

​@@TacticalMayoit is a gradual process through dedollarisation Welcome to the new world 😅

[@sheavelte2917]

​​@@TacticalMayoThe US play dirty game to keep his hegemony, but soon China will surpass the US without doubt.

[@eng80425]

I live in SEA and I actually am rooting for China to win and be equal to USA. USA should not be the making the decision for the world and for us any more. If required, USA should be allowed to fade... I am actually not comfortable with USA... In fact I had never comprehend why gun control is so difficult when tiktok ban can move so fast.....Strict gun control saves lives..their priorities baffles me and I cannot trust a superpower who cannot seems to figure out what is important

[@aslampervez2294]

Orville can't observe usa backed genoside in Gaza but he is uncomfortable with xi jingping

[@JCSY1]

Yes. I think most people in SEA have the same opinion. IF you follow the US, basically it means you have to live in their shadows and follow their every command to the dot. Failure to do so will result in sanctions, chaos and wars. Is this what most people really want ? I think most don't want that route. It is a BIG BULLY ideology and attitude that does not end well for others. The signs are all over the world.

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

Westerners have nothing but contempt for SE Asians.

[@singularityagi5562]

Cannot agree more with you!!

[@maxdc988]

The White elite needs the gun to protect themselves against the Black and Brown people in case there is a riot or anarchy. They have been fearing that dreadful "revenge" scenario since birth. 😁

[@LanceyOwen]

The Orville guy is just a typical Anglo-Saxon "media" on China. Kishore is the only adult on the stage and he handled Orville beautifully.

[@Elite-s1t]

Bro you get the point 😂

[@DavidLee-x7l]

Lots of these old white Bois are scared as shit...

[@Andy-P]

Where do Anglo-saxons come from? Kishore uses that 'racist' term. Maybe by CCP standards he did well. He wouldn't convience anyone else. The only slightly vieled threats that china, no longer the mouse - if ever it was - is now an elephant and needs more room. Make room or get rolled over. Threat threat facing American allies and non-allies a like.

[@orangekeita]

Anglo saxon is no racisium. You can call me an Asian. I wont be offended. So whats your problem here?😂 Is it not true that the five eyes are Anglo-Saxon run countries?​@@Andy-P

[@orangekeita]

I would say the host was doing fairly good job too. She's giving opportunities to both sides to ask and answer questions and no rude interuptions which you have often seen in this type of dialogue. I only hope it could be longer😂.

[@Lennyjana]

I was born in Malaysia, as an Asian and live in Germany, I respect Pr, Kishore

[@wangchienlooi1288]

I am so very impressed that KISHORE is so comprehensive, consistent and clear in his thoughts on CHINA. He has articulated his answers simply and persuasively and has DEFINITELY left his mark on the INTERNATIONAL scene as arguably one of the BEST ASIAN thinkers spanning the 20th & 21st century!!!! He has done Spore PROUD.

[@诚聘板主]

A large number of Chinese people smuggle into the United States. Have you ever seen Americans smuggling into China? The Chinese are engaging in fraud in Myanmar, the Philippines, and Cambodia. Have you ever seen Westerners engaging in fraud in these countries? China is reclaiming reefs and building islands off the coast of the Philippines. Have you ever seen Westerners reclaiming reefs and building islands in the South China Sea?

[@symphony2515]

You should see how Lee Kuan Yew, Lee Hsien Loong, Tharman Shanmugaratnam and a few other Singapore scholars. Kishore can’t compete with them when it comes to understanding international affairs

[@诚聘板主]

He just said what you wanted to hear. In fact, he couldn't even understand Chinese news.

[@MKhan-sd7hu]

No doubt Sir Kishore is a master-class.

[@TacticalMayo]

Wumao

[@robertcwchin5872]

​@@TacticalMayois a sour grape

[@TacticalMayo]

@@robertcwchin5872 wait till you see what we do.

[@TacticalMayo]

@@robertcwchin5872 wait till you see what sour grape brings you.

[@robertcwchin5872]

@@TacticalMayo I wonder. Are you an agent?

[@elenadublin2]

Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is pure style and grace. There's no contest here.

[@Andy-P]

He is CCP mouth piece. Behave like CCP state press. Will not acknowledge criticism

[@martintsang1662]

​@@Andy-Pname calling is displaying your lack of intelligence. Go read more then go debate him on his points.

[@gust5992]

Without a doubt! Hear…..hear.

[@Andy-P]

@@martintsang1662 Where is th name calling. I've watched the debate and Kishore doesn't answer the questions. It's you who are name calling "..your lack of intelligence" maybe I should go to one of those camps in Xinjiang?

[@rr-ricky]

kishore makes wrongful generalizations about ASEAN. ASEAN tolerates china because of chinese economy, but most DISLIKE chinese oppression and bullying. communist china is not harmonizing as kishore pretends, they are the main oppressors in ASEAN territory.

[@NazneenAkbari-x5k]

Kishore Mahbuhani! WOW! What an incredible mind! The world needs more people like you.

[@AnilNagubadi]

I agree with you

[@raymondkanda-kabamba9266]

My vote for a next peace-mongering UN Secretary General Dr. KISHORE M.

[@ptan4120]

Kishore is a gem of mankind and a beacon of humanity.

[@mervynhing]

pathetic level of stupidity in this comment despite Mahbubani's exposed nonsense over the past decade. How do you do it?

[@TacticalMayo]

Kishore is a wumao CCP shill.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@mervynhingyes they should have never wasted their time bringing Kishore on the show knowing that he's a CCP shill.

[@nizicike759]

​@@mervynhing only pathetic here is you ,don't be shame and admit it

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JamilAgrami-jh2zz]

The more I listen to t his discussion, the more I am convinced that Orville is completely lost in space. Thanks to Dr Kushiro for making the discussion worth watching.

[@kmsb1one]

Not lost, just an indignant curmudgeon peddling anti-China hate. I like the way Kishore finally couldn't hold it in despite his immense diplomatic civility and laughs at the idiot.

[@RaymondRedMiLeung]

Orville is completely lost. I hope he is not typical of a China expert of the US.

[@ongandre8835]

He is not only completely lost but simply bias and speak without substance. Fortunately, Prof Kishore was courteous enough to explain kindly to him.

[@TheTruth-88]

Uncle Kishore always amazed me.. wise man talking.. full of knowledge, no BS, straight forward, and very informative. Every young people need to listen to him. The white old guy definitely full of BS, full of hypocrisy.

[@Western_Decline]

@@rr-rickycry harder. West is in decline due to its intellectually inferior population

[@joy1ess]

harvard graduate. he’s no joke 😌

[@wilsonlee8904]

Spot on !

[@vbch1396]

​@@rr-rickyI fully agree with Kishores viewpoints. Frankly speaking many world conflicts are caused by the US involvement. Without the US involvement, most conflicts could be resolved by the parties involved.

[@gurubesar8]

@@rr-ricky Are you a neocon bot?

[@jw7518]

Kishore is a very educated, wisdom and respectable man! I have to say this one more time.

[@FamilyGoh-p2t]

Prof. Kishore brilliant answers and rebuttal.

[@rr-ricky]

kishore is a a joke. ASEAN tolerates china because of its size and economic power. but ASEAN knows of chinese agenda of dominating the region. ASEAN likes the US because of its ideals and needs its military to combat a bully dhina. kishore always plays to his pro-china narrative.

[@Western_Decline]

The gap in IQ and knowledge of history between Kishore and this Whit-e creature is astounding.

[@kpewliu4348]

Khishor is truly an excellent diplomat. He's able to tell the Americans: "South East Asians are not stupid, you fool", in a very polite acceptable way

[@edc4052]

He is a CCP apologist.

[@popcorn6931]

He indirectly admitted that most south East Asian are blind to its neighbors’ interest when it comes to China territorial expansions…. Almost fully aligned with Sno-Russian interest more so than the west

[@Andy-P]

Kishore is mouth piece of the CCP

[@gabrielchong1322]

You fot that right@@Andy-P

[@edc4052]

@@Andy-P Can I give you 20 thumbs up?

[@jamessethi5792]

It's a joy to listen to Kishore Mahubani we need people like him in power.

[@silvershsadow2045]

Hey, I'm glad I found out, Kishore. Where has he been hiding. The world critically needs such insight and genuine, sober advisors today.

[@anandachong]

that american guy answered none of the questions raised to him but instead keeps demonizing China and tried to push Kishore to a corner of which Kishore was able to retort so well and eloquently.

[@angusmckenzie9622]

@anandachong "that american guy answered none of t..." You didn't watch this video, did you. "push Kishore into a corner" ? One question about Chinese aggression which Muhbubani avoided by passing China's "difficulties" with India, Japan, Vietnam as difficulties. In his vanilla, benign portrayal of CCP China, Mahbubani overlooks the pacifying influence of the 7th Fleet.

[@yaucharles91]

​@@angusmckenzie9622 Kishore did mention great power have their own interest! The point he stress is that we need to standup to China and also live with China. He also state it is normal to have dispute anong countries. Do not have a "snap view" on China. Look at broader pictures. China have dispute but did not result into a war.

[@angusmckenzie9622]

@yaucharles "K ishore did mention great power..." That illustrates, perfectly, the weakness in Mahbubani's position on China. In 1950 China invaded South Korea and Tibet. 1962, invaded India. 1979 invaded Vietnam. All that restrains CCP from war against its neighbours is the US 7th Fleet. Don't be fooled by Mahbubani's avuncular musings, he's out of touch.

[@budawang77]

Hardly. The "American guy" (it would be polite of you to use his name) asked some good questions of Kishore who was also quite good at avoiding answering some of them.

[@alanbgtan]

And I was surprised that Rorry did not ask Orville that either and brush it off

[@Ayangku2022]

Standing ovation for Sir Kishore Mahbubani! SE Asians are certainly not stupid 😅

[@erenyeagerist7681]

Except for Philippines

[@ggc7318]

These SEA countries are only skillful at sitting on the fence and see which country benefits them. Since China is closer and getting stronger, they would lean towards China.

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

​@@erenyeagerist7681That's because BongBong promised a lot and then did a 180°, because he couldn't give up on his father's bank account. 😂

[@junjiechen7461]

​@@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984Marcos Sr died & Marcos Junior (current Philippines president) takes over. When US court asked Marcos Jr to appear in court, somebody helped Marcos to return to Philippines, without appearing in court. Hence, US court issued a contempt order of US$353 million. how much is Marcos Senior's estate In Oct 2012, a US Court of Appeals upheld the judgment against Marcos for violating an injunction that barred Marcos Jr to dissipate the assets of the estate. USA has frozen US$2 billion. Marcos Jr is selfish. For his own interest, he damages Philippines’ economy by losing trade with China. He put his country at risk in a China-USA war where Philippines will become a ruin like Ukraine. They let the US bribe money fill their bellies and exchange of hell.

[@whoami8247]

Very stupid😂 they day USA takes it army back, the next day china would conquer them😂

[@alvinchua9436]

Whenever Mr Kishore Mahbubani laughed, I find it so funny. Respect to him that he tried his best to answer to "silly" questions again and again so patiently. A true gentlemen.

[@nananahaha115]

Orville: balabala... Kishore: funny

[@michelle2373]

I am from the Philippines. Thank you so much, Mr. Kishore Mahbubani for the discussion on the changing world order. As for Mr. Orville Schell, while he is curious about China's pretensions he should be more concerned that the US starts and profits from creating wars around the world. Asia and the rest of the world are looking at who will balance this power.

[@WilliamBenedict]

Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is very learned and speaks a lot of common sense. Thank you.

[@parnamsaini4751]

Is it?

[@tvc3mye]

Is it not? Provide the context then

[@tianlin4027]

Orville: Of what nation are you a citizen? Kishore: Singapore. Orville: Are you a citizen of another nation? Kishore: No professor. Orville: Have you applied a Chinese citizenship? Kishore: Professor, I served my nation, Singapore. No, I did not. Orville: Do you have a Singapore passport? Kishore: Yes, professor. I served in Singapore government for more than 30 years. Orville: Do you have any passports from other countries? Kishore: No, professor.

[@themarksong]

😂🤣😂

[@eulescholz8530]

Is this a persiflage of the us senat grilling tik tok Ceo???

[@MeiinUK]

"Are you a citizen of Singapore?" "Yes, yes, I am." "Are you aware that you are not supposed to serve another country, if you served for Singapore ? Cos your army background should mean that you are tied to Singapore's civil service tier only." "But Singapore has no more room to live in and to stay. What am I supposed to do ?" "Should you not have thought about that before you applied ?" "Isn't Singapore using Common Law from the UK?" "Are you trying to force indirectly changes to the constitution of the British Common Law system, in order to advance your own self interests here ? Indirectly forcing Britain to be damaged ? " "But we have now globalised, and those old things, and constitutions are changed. I am loyal to my country." "Did you send out the memo? If you are loyal to your country, then why do you work for your enemy ? " "You implied that the are chinese first as a race, before you are an actual citizen of a nation ?" "Are you trying to find the gaps in the missing translation, and therefore get as much coverages as you could. And want ?" "Are you implying that there has been no changed since the first and second world war, and that we are still living in an actual wartime zone ?? "

[@watchitontube]

Yes, this represents the mentality of the US. Stupid and sad.

[@localgai9182]

[@NZkiwihaisun]

Orville just keeps accusing Kishore with west ignorance. He have not answered any question effectively yet. How he can be selected to have a debate with Kishore. He likes high school study pretending he knows something….

[@cirakchitocaldino7398]

Apa yang disampaikan Orville sangat tidak bermutu; ia memegang teguh pandangan tahun 1980-2010...., yang mana sudah tidak relevan dengan situasi dan kondisi geopolitik saat ini. Saran; undang pembicara yang lebih cerdas dan menguasai kondisi terkini....

[@Aransa-Khan]

You are right. That Orville is like a high school kid.

[@dut5766]

Lol

[@troutstalker7855]

ither he is very navie or thinks the rest of us are stupid. Why do I need to listen to him? He is simply parroting what the US government is saying, for that I can watch CNN.

[@qzhang25]

I am sorry to see Mr Orville got beaten so badly by Kishore, his talking points feels so biased and futile in accusing China.

[@tobyjackson1947]

She is an excellent moderator and asks great questions.

[@yanmuikam6160]

Hi Mr. Orville you are very wrong about Singaporeans . Many of us Singaporeans feel that USA is a bully and love to " dip it's fingers into everyone's pie" so to speak. We want to trade and lead a peaceful life and not impose our wills on others . Please mind your business and may GOD bless you !

[@snowlee-ml7rr]

In recent decades, Uncle Sam has devoted too much energy to dealing with the affairs of other countries thousands of miles away, but he has no solution to the problems within the United States (such as outdated infrastructure, drug problems, gun problems, racial issues, and political line issues) , medical insurance issues, etc.), the collapse of the United States will start from within.

[@loveblindhate9318]

@@snowlee-ml7rr It is...Corp/banks/fed/lobby$ > govt. = oligarchy colonization

[@angelalim0502]

@@snowlee-ml7rr US is trying to export these problems to the other part of the world by finding likeminded individual who will help them with it and yet, sad to say, some weak minded are still falling into their trap….

[@greenolive798]

US wants to rule over other countries but is blind to all the issues internal in the US itself.

[@mcgaretse77]

sadly... Calvin cheng also represented a large of sgeans that supported USA wholeheartedly 😂

[@guyzer7006]

I’m amazed …who has military bases surrounding China…who is the aggressor..Orville is so out of touch..anyway Kishore has this covered!!

[@stevenkwan5589]

USA could not always good but they do the right thing to contain China and North Korea after end of WW2 ! USA projected ahead of time what communism is about and cannot be trusted! Their 1st/2nd island chain is to contain China and is right that this is in place when u see what China is doing under Xi Jinping! Having USA intervene in this east part of the world is correct cos never let communism dictate this part of the world ! I rather have USA involved against China …simple

[@RaymondLi604]

STEM + geographic deficiency 💊

[@westwoodly]

He has to be careful not to antagonise America too. Listen to how he lavished admiration of America. Listen to how he praised the American president whom many Americans are not even so generous. Unlike the American guest, he literally condemned the Chinese President. Now that is not tact, not diplomacy of learned professors.

[@alanbgtan]

I have the same thought too. And Kishore preferred Biden over Trump will put Kishore in bad light as Trump did not like Kevin Rudd, the Australian rep to US too.

[@诚聘板主]

Do you know that the Chinese can only build the Tiananmen Square Massacre Memorial in the United States? Because it is illegal to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre in China, and you will be arrested and imprisoned.

[@rinizhang6031]

As Singaporean , we are proud to have many leaders like Mr. Kishore. As for the west, the quality of the leader is so behind. Totally agreed with Mr Kishore.

[@lukecheuk]

Likewise the "quality" of their "scholars" is on full display with this Orville character, with his emotion infused, catchphrase-laden jibber jabber, words like "wolf warrior" as newly christened by their so called "think"tanks...

[@sydlilivale]

Exactly! Really don't think students from the world should go to american universities and try to learn some knowledge from Orville kind of people. He is one of the representatives of american jokes.

[@geoff9858]

​@@lukecheukI agree with you, the quality has deteriorated the last few decades.

[@samuelli3627]

As a fellow Singaporean, I strongly disagree with this view, in fact, I am ashamed to have garbage like Kishore or George Yeo who are so shallow, so shortsighted, so stupid

[@astroboy-mz9ne]

Mr. Orville Schell so stupid and arrogant. In my point of view, he seems so naive what happening to our planet, left and right like a killing field. Question, USA done all this horrible evils. God please bless us our wonderful planet for peace.

[@abhithapamagar]

Orville was not even answering Rorry’s single questions let alone giving her to lead the conversation being mediator. On the other hand, Mr. Kishore was answering every questions of Orville and addressing Rorry not to left her out as she was already loosing her space there. Salute to you sir from all of us 88%.

[@Sy-wm9wq]

the world need more people like Kishore, listening to him can prevent war.

[@edwardlim7253]

Agree.. unfortunately if one "exceptional" country, U.S., does not listen.. there's nothing the rest of the 160 or so countries can do.. sigh..

[@lagrangewei]

Kishore having serve on the UN security council knows how the real world works. these scholar-journalist only know paper theory.

[@westwoodly]

Why aren't more world organisations or contentious countries tap on his wisdom?

[@parnamsaini4751]

@@westwoodlywisdom.. really??

[@davidwoon6402]

Not forgetting. And Prof Jeffrey Sachs too. One of the last few Godly Americans. 🙏

[@dryeoh2023]

Kishore has my highest respect for being direct and impartial.

[@AnnDadivas-w6p]

On the contrary, Kishore EVADED answers to some CHALLENGING questions. He seems to have a personal agenda that is aligned with China's. Kishore seems to be a China PROPAGANDIST. He hails China's economic success while IGNORING the PROCESS of China's achieving such success. He does not acknowledge the RESPONSIBILITY that should go with China's BULLYING actions and other MISBEHAVIOR.

[@tsunshinegal9102]

@@AnnDadivas-w6p: 😂aren’t you biased ? Your world 🌍 map 🗺️ has America in the center ???

[@nizicike759]

Kishore is treasure that for mankind

[@donkeykong8792]

​@@ninersnation3298Chinese don't speak good English in general😂, the only scholar I can think of who can deliver his message properly in English is 李世默

[@russellfloyd2732]

Maybe ccp

[@joellis5915]

@@ninersnation3298 All the names you mentioned are the top scholars speaking justification and truth. Trash is within yourselves as a trash person.

[@osmanjerry3272]

There are quite some Chinese who speak good English. But I like Eric Li way of presenting, humorous and factual.

[@shendiyoung4044]

Kishore is lecturing Orville ! What a wisdom man !

[@michaeljiang960]

Only 1/3 into the conversation, Kishore totally overwhelmed the white guy.

[@porchheu1137]

The white guy belongs to a kid stage not the adult stage.

[@2012meditation]

I would say from the start.

[@thegracienetwork7847]

"The White Guy" hahaha you bums all wish you were white

[@hh8397]

Applause to Dr Kishore, as a Chinese from Hong Kong, and as a citizen of SE Asian. What I (we) personally experienced of all the chaos of the riots funded and instructed by US, most of us awaken as it hurt every single families so deeply. That craziness broke us all apart yet at the same time, we all got united because we learnt that we have strong and determined leaders to protect us from enemies!

[@leahlee8291]

Spot on 👍

[@azzamatic4190]

As a fellow HK resident I couldn't agree more

[@tayan6041]

Little pinky 😂

[@watchitontube]

The US is so desperate now that they don't care if you know or not that they played a big hand in the HongKong riot. I have no respect for the US anymore.

[@atta1798]

what enemies? The US trained China and generated jobs for your people

[@marcs5117]

Im comfortable with Chinas rise…from the Philippines

[@petervote7914]

There is a rumor going around that U.S. would allow Marcos to access the stolen money and assets that Marcos' father stashed in U.S. if Marcos follows the anti China line. What are the pinoys' views on this?

[@aloyd6157]

of course, everyone knows.

[@danielng4454]

Sensible bro 😊

[@PlaysImade]

You sure China gonna eat the baby eggs you guys eat at 12 days old eggs 😂😂😂

[@kevinwu8751]

​@@PlaysImadeBut America is actually really weak. Become a paper tiger. While boasting that they are the most powerful country in the world, they can't solve the drug problem that even the smallest country in the world can solve, and they can only blame others.😂😂😂

[@SriLankaTamilConflictUnveiled]

Professor Kishore was spot on, his arguments were solid.

[@anitalofblom7271]

this American represents precisely why the world were at and are still at wars at this moment. He should not have been invited to the table. Kishore is however a speaker with great wisdom

[@Vbxuser20]

I view it differently, only when you put both together then we can compare,first-hand, which narrative is wider; encompasing the whole world.

[@thegracienetwork7847]

Orville is President of Asia Society. He invited Kishore lol

[@Cheryl.C]

You did it again Professor Kishore Mahbubani 🎉. ASEAN with you 💯. South East Asians are very proud of you 🫶🏻.

[@bauyeung88]

As a HKer, I’m very happy seeing my country China stands up to challenge the Win/Lose strategy initiated by US. Btw, I’m proud to be a Chinese.

[@tayan6041]

You are not really a HKer.

[@李承晞]

@@tayan6041well it's none of your business, right? that's what you think a HKer should be....

[@curtiswong7280]

@@tayan6041 I'm a HKer too and I agree with him

[@Howaretheygonnaknow]

Sorry to say, you are not HKer but a Xianggangren. HKers don’t think like you.

[@Howaretheygonnaknow]

⁠@@李承晞it’s none of your business neither. Stay away from KZbin.

[@godzillamothra5983]

Indonesian here, I watched what is happening in Ukraine with trepidation. This war should not have happened. I believe that NATO should be disbanded after the end of cold war and Warsaw pact was disbanded. Instead the US keep it going and expanding into Russia border. The consequence is what we are seeing is happening in Ukraine today. Now, I'm also seeing that the US has intention to replay what is happening in Ukraine, in Asia. Despite some Asian countries having territorial disputes with China, the region was largely at peace for decades. Today, tension is so high, and in every hot zone, you could see the US hand in it. Like the Nancy Pelosi's ill advised visit to Taiwan, that created nothing but troubles. I could see war break out in the near future as long as countries in Asia keep letting the US provocations uncheck.

[@oasislin4587]

without NATO the whole of Europe would have fallen into poopootin's hand! What's wrong with them defending themselves? Then your Indonesia might as well disband your defence and let PRC lenin state take over!

[@kenm3ng121]

China have the sanity.

[@oasislin4587]

@@kenm3ng121 indeed, sanity to scheme and plot strategy and execute with lies and propaganda

[@smileyzhang3894]

i couldnt agree with u more

[@oasislin4587]

I read your narrative with trepidation. NATO proves to be feasible in the face of Russia/China's evil ambition....

[@ianthesiow3013]

America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question... Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * 2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify. Pakistan 2022 * Haiti 2022 * Niger 2023

[@dennisgin2850]

Native Americans 1492-2024+

[@TacticalMayo]

USA 🇺🇲 USA 🇺🇲 USA 🇺🇲

[@isorokuyamamoto8423]

I wonder which of these countries which USA have "liberated" and brought "democracy and freedom" have higher standards of living after USA came.... probably NONE... lol... Most if not all are worst off...

[@dlkjusdjfhur]

@@TacticalMayo 发癔症了？

[@TacticalMayo]

@@dlkjusdjfhur it won't translate.

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

I only came here for Kishore and having heard the entire discussion, it's obvious to me that he was the only one worth listening to.

[@ongandre8835]

the other guy was simply trying to downplay Kishore's opinion which are logical and FACTUAL. and is obviously bias and negative. He should not have been qualified to discuss with Professor Kishore. Maybe he should consult, beside Kishore, professors Richard Wolfe and Jeff Sachs, also well established and indeed knowledgeable authorities in economics and geopolitics.

[@briancousins3101]

Orville says "we know what happened in Hong Kong". He either does not know, or feigns ignorance, about the treaty with the British and the HK activities of the US Congress-funded NED & CIA.

[@Andy-P]

When did he say that? I cannot recall any reference to HK

[@rap3208]

My initial thought when I heard that was , "Go ahead tell us what happened in Hongkong" to see how out of touch or uninformed he was.

[@MrAbklee]

What happen was a lucky thing that China able to overcome the chaos that US/UK created in HK

[@paytonmcdermott9111]

He probably thinks that stuff was good because the cia was spreading "democracy". Cultural imperialism is taken for granted in the US. Supremacy is baked into a lot of western ideologist thinking

[@chandrabudhu5228]

Thank you Dr. Mahbubani, brilliant as usual. Wish you had an equal adversary. We are living in amazing global times and great minds are necessary.

[@kenwong4182]

How can Orville, with so little understanding about China or the Chinese, be an expert in US - China relations. Only in America, you can always talk yourself into a position with or without knowledge on the subject.

[@john8789]

I guess this is part of US democracy. As long as your ideology is right, everything else is less of importance.

[@watchitontube]

Yes, "Only in America, you can always talk yourself into a position with or without knowledge on the subject." and there are so many of them .

[@zenastronomy]

ideology over meritocracy

[@杰克马-u3d]

@@watchitontube 是的，当年麦卡锡的“爱国者法案”赶走了一切对中国了解的学者，现在这些所谓的“中国专家”没有一个中国人，没有一个在中国有十年以上的生活经历。所以很多时候他们给政府的报告在我们中国人看来是十分愚蠢以及可笑的。当然，如果你的敌人足够愚蠢，那么我们最好做好一切他崩溃的准备

[@MM-sr6fw]

Orville it seems is a paid China “expert” funded by a U.S. bill(300-500 million per year budget) to write and spread lies about China.

[@GOSHENANGSANA]

Kishore Mahbubani 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 TRUTHFUL SIMPLE. ACCURATE. FROM MALAYSIA, 👋👋👋.

[@诚聘板主]

In the eyes of Singaporeans, China is a country that exports pornography, gambling and drugs, as well as phone fraud, money laundering and illegal immigration. The Chinese people have no sense of the rule of law, and the export of this corrupt culture is more harmful than war.

[@corzova]

Kannn.. Memang best cara kishore menjawab, dah lah kena menjawab soalan dari host, nak kena jawab soalan dari Orville lagi..

[@jeanhuynh8548]

Kishore was outstanding!

[@vietanhvuthi8887]

From Vietnam with respect, Mr. Mahbubani

[@bctan7251]

Well done ..Kishore..well thought responses, elegant, calm, compose and insightful

[@ggc7318]

Oh...he is a snake. Kissing American's ass all these years, and he had an ex American wife who dumped him😅

[@jamesho8820]

Again Kishore Mahubani is the voice of wisdom and reason. He is and continues to be a realist without the vitriol and condescension of the American position exemplified by Schell!

[@peacesoup1008]

Great push back, Kishore! And backed with truth, not insinuations and propaganda 👏👍

[@AnnDadivas-w6p]

Certainly, Kishore is skilled at hiding his propaganda under the veil of knowledge and the ability to articulate that knowledge. He is skilled at being SUBTLE. And that's dangerous.

[@tsunshinegal9102]

@@AnnDadivas-w6p: what propaganda? While USA interferes in other nations … China is building bridges over land, over mountains 🏔️, across seas & underneath waters too, improving their infrastructure, transportation, tele communications etc. I think 🤔 if America 🇺🇸 starts to care & build their own nation & infrastructure- it would be good. Eg Baltimore bridge needs strong anchor ⚓️ & repair ! Care about your own backyard than interfering in other peoples backyard.

[@osmanjerry3272]

@@AnnDadivas-w6pyeah you can say things and certainly this is the western value you treasured so much.

[@corzova]

​@@AnnDadivas-w6psays who? You?

[@annafihoq72]

So basically, he answered both of them and still came out on top. Respect, sir.... RESPECT

[@martiniiilim7497]

I applaud Kishore's diplomacy and self-control in this forum. Shows that he is the adult in the room.

[@dlink2cam]

Kishore shows how to diplomatically scold someone without them even realizing it… well done Sir. He exhibits wisdom and knowledge in SEA geo politics . The world has changed and America has not…that is displayed by Schell.

[@Queen731.]

He is extremely diplomatic and objective. I need to read more about his thoughts.

[@westwoodly]

Kishore praises US President. Orville condemns China President. Classic : "you are an expert of climate change" he tells Orville. Surely the other professor knows the hidden, or double meaning.

[@duarraltd9118]

Yes indeed!

[@AnnDadivas-w6p]

No. On the contrary, Kishore had EVADED the answers to critical questions posed by Orville. He has avoided China being placed in a position of ACCOUNTABILITY.

[@westwoodly]

@@AnnDadivas-w6p If you listen intelligently, Kishore is putting the isolated or individual incidents given by the American professor as examples in context. You can then understand that he is putting things in perspective, or see the big picture. The American professor sees only the swallow and wonders, but the Singapore professor tells him spring is approaching. Kishore gave an excellent example of how democratic anti-communism American is cosying up with another communist country which violates American cardinal principles of individual freedom and human right. Hypocrisy? Orville is obviously trying to usurp the moderator's role instead of giving his own thoughts and analysis. That's not ethical or polite. The moderator did a good job, prompting Orville to come up with some ideas of his own instead of questions. May be he thought it was a debate which Kishore cleverly parried.

[@limbt8298]

"Please don't be condescending towards this region" - Kishore bravo. You gave Orville a one-two punch. Give him an upper cut and aknock out blow and floor him. him. He is avoiding the opening statement - no respect for the moderator who tries to get him to have a decent, proper, matured and fruitful discussion. Challenging every idea that you made. He is condesending. Kishore are so calm in rebuking Orville. He doesn't know what he is talking. Well done Kiahore. China will win. I am from Singapore.

[@azzevria8034]

A discerning observer will see this debate as between : A 3rd grade stuck-in-the-grove, cathartic, rusted-in ideologue who sounded and looked more like a train wreck, Orville, being pushed against a A refined, well-equipped, seasoned, disciplined diplomat, skilled orator and debater, Kishore Mahbubani. It's indeed a sad sight to behold. If this is the best "China expert" America's pinnacle Asia Society can come up with, then the society has reached a very low point.

[@keshen297]

Such specialist lives in their own world. For example he mentioned the massacre repeatedly. Of course I believe he should truly believe all lies about China.

[@Andy-P]

Orville is saying it as it is. Insulting him is typical CCP stratergy. CCP Don't answer the questions if they don't want to

[@gust5992]

So eloquently said Sir…..hear…hear!

[@Andy-P]

Kishore didn't debate anything. Well maybe a debate with CCP characteristics

[@mstina0717]

Well put!

[@fl8586]

It is so funny that this Orville guy criticized that China being hegemonic! Just like what the bible says in the book of Matthew, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in other's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Which country has 1000 military bases around the world? Which country has warplanes and warships 7000 miles from home 24X7 threatening another country at their doorstep? Which country overthrew 60 governments that they don't like? Which country conducted over 500 military interventions since WW2? Which country is constantly interfering with other countries internal affairs, seeking conflicts, confrontation, trade wars, cold wars and hot wars? As professor Mahbubani once said, "It is not only impossible, but also immoral for one country to suppress the economic and technological development of another country!" Who is the ultimate hegemon?

[@psfpower]

Good questions, but Orville wouldn't answer them. Maybe he couldn't too? 😂😂😂 Because he doesn't know, he is only a "Chinese Expert", give him a break! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@VNn2023]

👏👏👏💯💯💯

[@antonykalawangi7538]

My great respect to Prof. Kishore. This guy Orville is not worth on this stage of Asia Society.

[@wuuq2000]

Orville successfully acted how a BAD guy looks like!

[@WebAccount-y3e]

Love the 'China expert' dig by Kishore. (of course conducted in a polite and non threatening manner)!😂😂

[@willengel2458]

it was under Kevin Rudd's leadership they turned Asia Society into anti-China platform.

[@MLJclassics]

sadly, he is the director for US-China relations in Asia Society.

[@hsiehmax6994]

Orville is disgusting

[@sjman7952]

Prof Kishore Mahbubani is such a wise, and patient, man. I respect him.

[@randallwong5561]

If u listen to Orville, he himself gives the game away. He says the concern is about China's hegemonic intentions, when what he really means is that he is concerned about the US losing hegemonic position.

[@kmsb1one]

Spot on!

[@MiaoZ99]

Exactly

[@seeyian]

Simple what ever Orville said about China just replace it by America his statement is 100% trues.

[@yaphonghor4409]

He is defending US imperialism and America's right to subjugate other smaller nation in this world!!!

[@王贵腾]

Respect to Mr. Kishore, sober, intellectual,knowledgeable ,has conventional wisdom.

[@verophilly654]

Wow! Respect to Mr. Kishore Mahbubani

[@silvershsadow2045]

Xi Jinping is very much respected in Africa. The significant saying here is that whenever we get a visitor from China, we get a hospital; whenever we get a visit from NATO, we get a lecture/new rules/orders.

[@conti-vl6tx]

Western countries have come to Africa for centuries to rob Africa of its resources. They should be admitting what they have done. Some are rich because of the resources they took from Africa. They never thought of helping Africa to develop. They Subjugated Africa. They took the political power, economic power and then made them therefore socially to have no power at all. Africa have to fight to liberate themselves. Western Countries were never there to help, they were here to rob. After decolonisation they continued to do so. Western countries could no longer use political power, they influence it indirectly but they held on to the economic levers of these countries. Western countries were dominating, there were benefitting, they were doing nothing to help Africa. They created banks that were instrument of subjugation Africa. Western countries would say for an example to the IMF ( The International Monetary Fund) when the IMF will say Africa country is in trouble, can you help, it will put conditions that will put Africa in a worser situation than before, so it was not helping. Meanwhile China is coming and saying here we are, we know where Africa come from. They are here to work with Africa. For the first time when china came here, highways, railway, ports and infrastructure began to imagine the continent of Africa that where never there before china were here all the time. China is working with Africa, focap is one example that china as a country is ready to sit down and discuss how they can so to help, how do they relate to one another. And perhaps many other forecast summits that took place before people are not very clear this forecast that has taken place here in South Africa has made matters to be more clearer than any other time the kind of pledges that china has made and the kind of relations that it has with different countries. China is not at Africa to Rob or to colonize. China is here to help Africa develop. President Xi Jinping said it himself they need to develop together. They are together making progress. For an example the issue of infrastructure energy many others, nobody took care of these matters, even if they said to western countries that they need a road they never came. If you talk to china, china says let them come to help to make the roads. Now it is even voting money so that they can quicken the decision that has been taken by the AU to create the infrastructure continental. China say that they have taken that decision here are the resources for that energy, they're together. Western countries just feeling they are being replaced because they were here doing nothing for the people in Africa while doing something for themselves. China is going to help as it helped them in the struggle to liberate themselves from the Western countries. China is now helping Africa to develop so that Africa can be economically independent stand on their own and take their own decisions.

[@conti-vl6tx]

Western countries enslaved Africa. Took their diamonds and minerals. When china came with $. Building their roads, ports, bridges and etc. And then the west ask "dear Africa, why you work with China" This is a classic example like" raping the same country many times over. Leave. Then ask" why you sleep with China? How low can the west go?

[@oasislin4587]

as usual, PRC propaganda

[@诗酒趁年华-f6c]

​@@oasislin4587这个宣传是事实还是虚假？

[@amulia1]

@@oasislin4587 Is this not true? Dont need to be an expert to know who treats black people better the west or China.

[@poohbaby233]

I am from Taiwan. My view is can US stop interfering TW and China. Leave us alone!

[@kriswang9620]

no way. US will use any what it can use to prevent China. and obviously, TW is a best tool just like ukarine for RUSSIAN。 As a 新中国er, i kinda feel poor about tw

[@danielchiayizhen92]

u think u are the player... buy u re the pawn... no... u are the board. sorry... truth hurts.

[@jsim5933]

Tsai Ing-wen is like Zelensky of Ukraine being used by US in proxy wars. It will only lead to the destruction of Taiwan and deaths to Taiwanese while US is unscathed thousands of miles away. Please don't be fooled by US. See what has happened to Ukraine. 😢 And foolishly used by US to support their Military Industrial complex through huge military purchases.😮

[@johnnydeng3488]

no way, Taiwan is the best place to counter China now

[@khqa3763]

taiwan problem are mainly from taiwanese , most of the taiwanese younger generation have been brainwashed by their local politician and social media that demonize china

[@kpewliu4348]

Khishor is truly an excellent diplomat. He's able to tell the Orville: "South East Asians are not stupid, you fool", in a very polite acceptable way.

[@诚聘板主]

A large number of Chinese people smuggle into the United States. Have you ever seen Americans smuggling into China? The Chinese are engaging in fraud in Myanmar, the Philippines, and Cambodia. Have you ever seen Westerners engaging in fraud in these countries? China is reclaiming reefs and building islands off the coast of the Philippines. Have you ever seen Westerners reclaiming reefs and building islands in the South China Sea?

[@Reotha]

a verbal skill a aspire to have lol

[@ccxu1154]

It seems the whole conversation just demonstrated how the US is not ready to coexist. Kishore is always a pleasure to listen to.

[@Andy-P]

US is and has. Just new guy Xi wants to change the world order

[@multivision3646]

Mr Kishore knew what he was saying, he's back.

[@seemingen6790]

thumbs up to Speaker Kishore Mahbubani and host Rorry Daniels.

[@dontaskmewhy100]

China never tell any other country not to deal with USA Who is wolf warrior？

[@blahblah-yx7bl]

usa is like the bully in the kindergarden.. i mean the level of the politic in the usa is so low....

[@timmyg44]

Details matter! America is not about to attack Mexico with Chinese technology.

[@中央山脈-c4i]

china should hands off Taiwan. stop faking like the wolf in the Little Red Riding Hood.

[@myyrules]

The American is totally outclassed by Prof. Kishore in his intellectual intelligence.

[@alzmvn]

Americans have intelligence。。。。That's funny。。。People always like to talk about what they don’t have。。。

[@borneandayak6725]

Nahh, no human in this world can match American intellectually. Thats the reason why they still the leader of science and technology.

[@greaterbayareahero1401]

Kishore held back as well. But he made Orville look pathetic. Orville the duck would have been a better candidate lol!

[@thegracienetwork7847]

@@alzmvn If Americans are so stupid why do you guys always get so hurt and angry when they criticize you?

[@DubboU]

@@borneandayak6725 both science and technology fields has been overtaken by China since 2022.

[@codychan4992]

Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is so polite, while he can directly say that it's none of your business, you are only trying to create conflicts and even wars in asia.

[@hendrizhang7662]

My idol Mr Kishore Mahbubani! Talking sense, logical, based on historic facts, fair analysis and tactful. Singapore is proud to have such a leader ❤

[@fredsuun5004]

Finally, the Asian society invites a speaker from Asia to discuss Asian perspectives, rather than approaching the subject from an Anglo-Saxon viewpoint.

[@quoderatdemonstrandum7215]

Who funds this society btw? Serious question.

[@lie01234]

They have to have a token asian once in a while at the ASAA society.

[@living-wanderer]

I was waiting all along for Orville to provide valid arguments and reasoning for his ideas on questions thrown at him, but to my surprise the video ended and i continued to wait. 😂😂

[@arkturspace727]

For me as a German it is always a great pleasure to listen to Kishore. His precise and logical argumentation is unbeatable. Thumbs up for Kishore Mahbubani and Rorry Daniels.

[@schan5436]

The other guy?

[@tandennis5817]

I love to listen how Kishore debate with others. Singapore is blessed to have such a wise man 👍

[@bigeye4520]

To put Kishore and Orville on the same stage is a complete mismatch.

[@Andy-P]

Agreed. Orville can see all aspects. Kishore only see's CCP view

[@quoderatdemonstrandum7215]

Zero likes. Better like your own comment since it is a bit pathetic otherwise 😂 ​@@Andy-P

[@Andy-P]

@@quoderatdemonstrandum7215 Personal attacks by the CCP. It's what the world is use to. If you don't agree with them

[@Yadvakkushna]

This wasn't a debate. It was two people asking Kishore questions. One was asking questions intelligently, the other was pushing Anglo Saxon propaganda

[@Andy-P]

@@Yadvakkushna Half right. Kishore avoided the key question - what are Xi's intentions... as if we didn't know

[@elangsharp3431]

I aspire to have such wisdom that Prof. Kishore have.. Such a great thinker..

[@guytruth5598]

Kisore is the most sane, just,righteous without bias,partial and an intelligent brave speaker of all times.