Ask Ed Ep 15 - COPO, Hemi Ford, Caddy 500 - Ed Smith w

[@johnelliott7375]

I could watch this guy for a living if I could, you are able to learn something every word he says or you are not paying attention 😔 and not wanting to learn something new. He is definitely a national treasure 😁🪙!

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thank you so much for your encouragement! Glad to have you along

[@junkyardjimmyriversiderecy6722]

Ed is the kind of people i want to surround myself with. Top shelf kinda guy ❤.

[@BarryTsGarage]

👍👍🙏

[@johnsenecal2732]

Ed’s having a Good Time. Love the big Smile, and the chuckle. I Think He likes giving out the Knowledge that He has. Thanks Ed

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thanks - I'll pass that along! He's happy to share, as long as it doesn't get in the way of his projects too much... :-)

[@davidsawyer7880]

Thanks for doing this Ed. We understand you are under no obligation. Yet you are willing to share your experiences and observations.

[@GTRliffe]

The knowledge on this guy is next level cool the way he answers question nodding his head up is cool cool

[@Albert.M.K]

can you ask Ed to please talk more about the Cadillac 500, 472 and 425? what experience he has with that engine family. whatever he says, it's priceless! thanks!

[@BarryTsGarage]

I will definitely Ask Ed more about those! Thanks

[@PatandDoopypoopy]

@Albert.M.K we loved the 500cid as a hotrod engine. Our golden rule was a rev limit of 4800. We had cams reground, milled block and heads, 3" dual exhaust and modified quadrajets or 850 Holley double pumper, and hei ignition. We ran them on brute torque. Our differentials were always free (nobody wanted 3.08 gearing for hotrods). We used a legit 2800rpm stall converter to launch at max torque. Oh Lordy, what brutal holeshots. Oh, and good valvesprings and custom length pushrods( to compensate for milling of block/heads, and we wanted only around 1/4 turn lifter preload.

[@JamesSmith-ph7sp]

My friend Brad and I spend many many hours talking car mechanics. Brad was a few levels above me as Ed is above Brad. Brad was killed in a Rabbit PU a number of years ago, but he would have loved this channel and Ed Smith.. The main thing about Brad and Ed is they truly love talking about this stuff and pull me right in. Thanks

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thanks so much for your comment. I would agree that it turns out that a lot of relationships / friendships end up being the best part of the hobby a lot of times! Thanks for sharing

[@unclebuzz6913]

What a brilliant mind...I wish I knew 1/100th about the internal combustion engine as this gentleman does... I am just a retired piping superintendent .I have always had to work on my own automobiles as papa always said "If you can fix it ,you can have it.." That's the way it was ,from brakes to main bearings,to basic maintenance, as the only boy I had to maintain my and my older sisters' and mother's vehicles ,and make money on the side as well as maintaining papa's welding rig.. Papa taught me my trade pipefitting,and fabrication, and hoi w to fix about anything mechanical,"if you can read ,you can do ."THAT WAS PAPA. God Bless you and your loved ones

[@BarryTsGarage]

Wow, your papa was a great teacher!

[@jimheckert5383]

Tremendous interview. Thanks Ed. 🍀🇺🇸🇺🇸🍀

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thank you! Will pass along to Ed 👍

[@needsaride15126]

Could listen to Ed's knowledge and stories all day. Amazing amount of knowledge. Great video.

[@BarryTsGarage]

I’ll pass that along to Ed - thanks for watching!

[@godsowndrunk1118]

The 462 was actually Lincoln's largest displacement engine... It belonged to the MEL (Mercury, Edsel, Lincoln) engine family, which started out in the 1958 models. It's engines include the 383, 410, 430 and 462 cubic inch displacements . It had no combustion chamber in the head, like a 348/409 chevy...but rather, the valves were flush with the head and combustion chamber shape was determined by the top of pistons shape. The 1958 Mercury Super Marauder 430 was the most powerful MEL offered, with three Holley two barrel carburetors under a polished and finned aluminum air box that put out 400 horse power.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Interesting! Thanks for the history 👍

[@Hogiewan1]

I never thought about the compression eating up horsepower! Ed is so knowledgeable. Thanks for another fantastic episode Barry! Edit: Unbelievable, the cam turning half the speed makes perfect sense just looking at the gear size. Why did I never see that?!?! Awesome!

[@micahap1559]

He is talking about getting in to really high compression with very a lot of flow. I believe alot of people only consider the ratio and not the actual compression pressure which varies.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thank you so much. I appreciate the encouragement!

[@SteveR-k8l]

Love these Q & A, couldn’t get any better listening & learning from someone with a lifetime of experience and knowledge. Keep up the great work.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thank you! Ed loves sharing what he knows. 👍

[@jesse5000]

Another great video! Ed is a treasure trove of information!

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thanks, I appreciate that. Ed's a true hot rod legend.

[@55cleon]

@@jesse5000 INDEED 👌🏿!!

[@JohnH.-qp6fb]

I've made this one last portion of assembly when completely assembling engines. That is, the last thing done is install the oil pan. -- The assembly is pressurized with oil with the engine intake manifold facing up. Looking at the oil discharge coming down from above. You will learn a lot about what oil pan you need along with how much volume of oil really needed in the pan. Some are awful for discharge which is always determined by clearances and or oil leaking in the engine. It's very easy to locate a problem you didn't know you had. Video this for you and the customer.

[@BarryTsGarage]

It’s a very interesting idea. I’m gonna ask Ed if we can set that up for a video!

[@stevenbean9706]

as a somewhat young retired machinist / us patent holder id love to work with ed just for fun . hes describing geometry and geometric lag +\ - delta without even realizing it . static drag and compression. it is so easy for people to over cam a big or small block mopar they almost always have low compression. i try to get my compression height right at 1.345 if it calls for 1.345 this is about perfect for a .500- .545 cam in a big block . think that's about where a max wedge is its so easy to over cam . i still want to try one of those pointy cams in a big block

[@BarryTsGarage]

Very good! I’m gonna ask Ed what he might have to respond to your detailed comment 👍

[@ericstalker7973]

WOW I never give it a thought that painting the outside of the engine block will actually allow it to run hotter. Thinking about that makes sense, it's like putting a blanket on the engine

[@BarryTsGarage]

Wow that’s how I reacted too!

[@godsowndrunk1118]

Yes, Mickey Thompson did offer Hemi heads for both the Ford FE (332/428) engine and the Pontiac V-8's back in the 1960's... I don't know how successful they were, but both required articulated three piece push rods....a very curious kind of setup.

[@Felix-f2n6k]

Chrysler heads were used.

[@BarryTsGarage]

I definitely need to learn more about this

[@godsowndrunk1118]

@Felix-f2n6k Sort of.... while the M/T heads are based on the 392 Chrysler, they were new aluminum castings who's patterns were adapted to fit the Pontiac and Ford FE's....all three heads had different water passage patterns. The M/ T's did use the Chrysler rocker shafts and valve covers. All three engines had very similar bore spacing , with Ford and Pontiac being within .010" of each other.

[@godsowndrunk1118]

@BarryTsGarage The H.A.M.B. website is a great place for old school info....there are all sorts of old timers there with many years of experience's

[@Felix-f2n6k]

Gotta love God's own. 😄Yes, Micky via Chrysler design

[@frankriley5705]

This will blow your mind. This is a 1970 Ford pick up with 360 engine. The timing chain and Top Gear was so wore out. There was no teeth showing and the engine was still running that crazy.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Wow that's crazy - thanks for sharing!

[@davidsawyer7880]

Billit vs. OEM. Ed stated many reasons why billit engine blocks are better. Here are few more. Improved water/cooling passages. More and larger head studes. Most, if not all, OEM V8 blocks have 10 bolt holes per bank. Billit blocks in many cases have two added bolt holes. One at the top of the cylinder and one at the bottom. More clamping force. All in a relatively same size block as the OEM.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Good points! 👍 also you might need more attachment points and bigger threads working with softer aluminum?

[@chevyrc3623]

This is some cool stuff about engines and learning some stuff from him that's awesome and I am learning as I go when I am trying to build a 2 barrel wingless spec sprint car motor

[@BarryTsGarage]

Thanks, glad you’re enjoying it! 👍

[@jimmyjimbo61]

I do have a question for Ed about camshafts and compression ratio's. What "dynamic" compression (NOT static compression ratio) has he found that will build roughly 180 psi. cylinder pressure that he recommends. After figuring valve timing as well as all of the other specs that go into figuring "dynamic" compression, I have figured that my little Chevy 350 will have a dybamic compression ratio of 8.37 to 1. Wonder what he thinks...

[@BarryTsGarage]

That’s great question I will ask Ed in a future Video

[@stevenbean9706]

when bootleggers switched from flathead quite a few went to caddillac motors from wrecked or old ambulances . believe they put the rear springs in from the ambulance as well so the ride height would be where it needed to be , they could easily be turned up a bit they had good size ports modest valve trains and a lot of strong reliable cubic inches . too much compression produces static drag on the rotating assembly why i always port the exhaust so much

[@BarryTsGarage]

Interesting!

[@williambikash6645]

Zora Arkus Duntov made hemispherical combustion heads for Ford flatheads. They are called Arden heads and were complicated to set up. Some engine builder's still have a few and more important know how to make them work. If Ford wanted a Hemi style auto engine they would have designed it from the ground up.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Ed said he know about them but has never messed with them… 👍

[@JohnDoesItAll]

Great content! I've got a question!!!! The Buick 455 Stage 1 makes over 500 lb ft of torque under 3k RPM's. How?! Large bore, short stroke. I was lead to believe that longer strokes made more torque. I'm confused and equally impressed by the engineers at Buick. Comparatively, the LS6 454 has a longer stroke, smaller bore and makes 500 lb ft of torque higher in the RPM range. What was Buick's secret sauce? Thank you!

[@BarryTsGarage]

Great question, we'll have to ask Ed about that!

[@christophersine84]

This is the kind of guy that has forgotten more than most of us will ever know

[@randypozdnikoff4099]

The paint you're talking of is Glyptol electric motor paint. it works very well.

[@BarryTsGarage]

thanks! I will have to ask Ed about that one! 👍

[@ckratzet5286]

5.7 hemis run 220-240psi at 250rpm cranking 10.9/1 geometric comp.

[@93z32]

I THINK WE SOLD EM😂 like a fisherman not wanting to share his secret spots

[@BarryTsGarage]

😂😂 yup that’s a great analogy!

[@inmate666]

1970 was a very good year to get a motor out of a Eldorado .you wont regret it.

[@BarryTsGarage]

Prime

[@charlespittman7520]

My dad ran moon shine back in late 40's after the war in a 40 ford then a 49 merk then a 53 merk. I remember hearing him telling his friends about running hemi heads on his flatheads. Since then I heard a story about ford designing building some hemi heads for flatheads then the war started and ford never went back to them. Could you ask if he ever heard about these heads.

[@BarryTsGarage]

That’s interesting, yes, I will ask Ed if he knows anything about that!

[@jasonwilson1677]

That 500 was nice

[@Thumper68]

2 bolt engines can hold 500-600hp. In the 400 small block the 2 bolts were better to make real big power because there was more metal to hold onto the 4 bolt blocks would break easier because the lack of material.

[@BarryTsGarage]

That’s interesting. I’m gonna ask Ec what he has experienced on that.

[@Thumper68]

@ The 4 bolt was of course better in all the other Chevy small blocks the 400 was only one like that. This is what my old man taught me he’s been a master mechanic and machinist since he was 19. He used to build 7-800hp 421s ran on methanol in late model dirt cars in late 80s early 90s. I was only like 7-10 years old but I’ll never forget the sound of those engines 38 pound custom crankshafts they reved so fast it was like an f1 car but sounded mean like nastiest sbc ever. We currently putting engine together for my 68 Camaro to save the numbers matching one. Plus I want to learn some more tricks and build a real nasty engine with him while I still can. We rebuilt the original and went through rest of drivetrain like 10 years ago while I was going through chemo treatment the first time I had cancer and we were planning on doing this engine sooner but I got cancer again and then he had heart attack so things got postponed but it’s winter good time to work on car here in Texas when it’s not hell temperature outside. I enjoy the ask Ed episodes a lot thanks for doing them.

[@BarryTsGarage]

I’m so glad! Thanks for sharing that. That’s all very interesting, and I really am glad that you’re enjoying our question / Answer shows!

[@godsowndrunk1118]

Cams are all about intake valve closing point....

[@godsowndrunk1118]

The early Hemis were offered by Chrysler , DeSoto and Dodge. Chryslers came in 331, 354 and 392 inch displacements. DeSoto had 276, 291, 330, 341 and 345 inch engines. And Dodge offered a 240, 270, 315 and 325 cube Hemi. All three makes offered dual four barrel versions that put out peak horsepowers of 390, 345 and 310 respectively .... So, not exactly underpowered.

[@BarryTsGarage]

👍👍 well done

[@Hopalong..75]

Back in the 70s I knew two broke ass brothers that raced a E Altered car with a 6 Cylinder chevy and they cut two boss 302 heads in two and welded them back together and made them fit the block. Crane ground a cam for them and they run pretty hard.

[@BarryTsGarage]

That sounds pretty crazy! I might ask Ed if he's ever done anything like that!

[@tomtibbits4423]

There are people cutting ls cylinder heads for 300 ford six’s I think gm vortec heads had been used also.

[@froat1]

Who was it that built an engine block by stacking a bunch of indexed steel plates with the water and oil channels drilled in the plates and stuck into a furnace and then forged and then machined? I believe in the 30’s or 40’s.

[@BarryTsGarage]

No idea - I’ll ask Ed if he’s heard of this. I might ask Alan too!

[@jamestregler1584]

Thanks Ed 😎

[@BarryTsGarage]

You're welcome!

[@davewallace8219]

Thanks gentelmen...

[@ericuncapher9922]

Very good video

[@BarryTsGarage]

I appreciate that, thanks.

[@marioncobaretti2280]

66 to 68 there was the 462 fe engine in a Lincoln,

[@Felix-f2n6k]

Not an FE

[@BarryTsGarage]

462 would be part of the MEL family Remember Mercury-Edsel-Ford 👍

[@ADAM-ej4wb]

YAY! ❤ Early Hemi😁👍

[@buildingracingvideos4714]

The stock cam in a 1996 LT1 has 117LSA. I didnt know that was a lot. I always thought it was stock🤣🤣🤣

[@jaygooch1190]

Stock sucks unless your going to the grocery store

[@Thumper68]

In a nasty sbc your looking around 106-110 range usually

[@ericstalker7973]

Will it be fair to say that an aluminum block and aluminum head will stay sealed better at the head gasket then a cast iron block and an aluminum head due to expansion and contracting differences between cast iron and aluminum

[@BarryTsGarage]

Absolutely

[@Thumper68]

Yes but they do make special head gaskets now that addressed this problem much better then they used to.

[@AndryshakGarage]

Can you plz ask MR. EDD if advancing or retarding a camshaft changes the sound or the motor. If so what way gives a more aggressive sound .

[@BarryTsGarage]

Hey, that’s a great question! I will put that on the list of things to ask Ed…

[@Thumper68]

ZL1 all aluminum 427 the baddest muscle car engine ever made Imo

[@BarryTsGarage]

That was the real deal!

[@tonyking9235]

WAITING ED FOR YOU TO DO THAT MODLE T AT THE RATE GOING YOUR GOING I WILL BE IN MY GRAVE . PLEASE FINISH IT . YOUR STILL YOUNG IM NOT ED BUDDEY.

[@BarryTsGarage]

I hear you, Tony! I'll be sure to ask Ed again to try to get a video done on that! Thanks!

[@tonyking9235]

@BarryTsGarage THANKS BUDDY MUCH APPRECIATED

[@chrisjarvis4449]

cad 472/500 why ? ford 460 way better and cheaper

[@BarryTsGarage]

I'm going to ask Ed to compare and contrast.... Thanks

[@Thumper68]

The bore and stroke are almost identical in the 500 making it dang near perfectly square giving very smooth linear power through entire rev range. Bore of 4.300 stroke of 4.304. 400hp 550 torque at 3000 rpm. Ford 460 365 Hp 388 torque at 2800 rpm. It wasn’t even close the Cadillac would tear the 460 in half.

[@gulfy09]

Can you imagine in the year 2050 . there will be talking about what EV . half the viewers will be saying wth is he talking about..

[@BarryTsGarage]

Yup!