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[@MikeLocke]

The problem most people make is trying to comprehend what "heaven" will be like with a human logic/reasoning.

[@theophilusadavi9828]

***** You're right about that--I agree.

[@lucasromero9377]

I also agree and I would add I guess hell would be better for them.

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

***** I've watched a few of Cliffe's videos. Conclusion: He's a liar. To just give _one_ example: Talking to schoolkids he said Einstein turned from atheist into a theist. Cliffe *KNOWS* this isn't true. He *KNOWS* Einstein even *complained* about his words being abused like that, by people like Cliffe. It takes just _one_ of such devious, calculated lies to know who you're dealing with, here. (but there are many more of these lies and _knowingly_ false reasonings of his) Go be ashamed of yourself, Cliffe (i'm pretty sure you just laugh at this, all the way to the bank, living off of the money of the gullible)

[@PGBurgess]

***** instead of ... an unreasonable/illogical acceptence of biblical dotrines?

[@MikeLocke]

P.G. Burgess Sure, I would agree, many people do illogically accept certain scripture text and translations incorrectly. Yes it goes both ways. But the core Christian doctrine doesn't need interpretation. Also an atheist worldview/belief that we're all material and we're here today based on stuff being created out of nothing is unreasonable/illogical as well.

[@MikeLocke]

I think as Christians, we need to be honest and speak truth. Yes, it does seem boring to worship day and night for eternity. But I'm going to assume when I do get to heaven, my desires won't be based on my fleshly desires. C'mon people, its not rocket science. If there is a God, if Jesus is Lord and if he did rise on the 3rd day, if the Bible is true, if Heaven does exist, it will be better than anything we know today on earth. Shouldn't be that hard to say.

[@PGBurgess]

***** i never quite understood the idea you give here: If you were, in heaven, to enjoy something you now find boring.. it sounds like you expect just to be a completely different person. someone who doesn't desire candy or olives, sex nor adrenaline rushes.. but enetnal worshipping. why would you want to be changed like that? don't you like life as you experience it now? Even worse (perhaps you dont describe to this idea) is that in heaven, you will not feel sadness for your family and friends that are in hell or annihilited?

[@MikeLocke]

P.G. Burgess All we know from scripture is that heaven is a much better place than hell and/or much better than living in the flesh today on earth (as per one of Apostle Paul's lines in one of his letters). And if true (which I believe it is) I definitely want to be there regardless of my selfish human desires that I live by today. You have a better choice for me?

[@triunestar]

***** Well there's no such thing as endless strumming of harps in heaven. There will be new heaven and new earth for us to delight.

[@BrockJamesStory]

We won’t be in heaven forever either

[@stewwweee]

yeahh if it seems like heaven is so boring in your assumption ..You can try hell jk.

[@jamesbronson4380]

People tends to have a problem with Eternity because they add TIME to it; when Eternity is timeless.

[@JD-ls6ex]

And because of our current negative emotions we go through. Depression, boredom etc I don't even think this will be a thing in heaven

[@dperkins01]

@@JD-ls6ex then we dont have free will.

[@JD-ls6ex]

@@dperkins01You're not feeling depressed or bored out of free will

[@lucasromero9377]

Wow this was such a powerful video Amen Praise the Lord!

[@miguelr.flores7908]

Self analysis & prayer is truly what a person like me needs to keep on the path. Cause the world is filled with doubt and is also contagious

[@barbaratschudy9882]

I think we'll be able to go to endless galaxies in a blink of an eye. I think it'll take eternity to ask God questions about every piece of creation. Animals, plants, etc.

[@BrockJamesStory]

Etc cause we will be back on earth so we will have many things to talk about and enjoy

[@Dominican11500]

There is tons of responses to the situation in Jericho. I wish Cliffe addressed that....

[@bealive4070]

There wouldn't be a boring day in the presence of the One you really love.

[@dougderubis648]

Love is the most exciting thing in the universe

[@edwindejesus5459]

Heaven by definition is the most maximally high domain, that eternally exceeds anything we can ever conceive, which is why the apostle Paul dared not to even describe it. The intellectual audacity to say that “sounds boring” is mind boggling

[@robertgeofrey4118]

How Are You Sir I'm blessed by Your Debates ... I have one request please prepare mentorship classes for young Christian to rise new generation of Apologetic Christians who will spread and continue Apologetic Debates

[@InfoArtistJK]

This kid is much more boring than loving God for eternity in heaven. Though he loves to hear himself speak he won't be bored for eternity when he's not in heaven. Peace

[@mosesmoise9897]

Thank you sir..!

[@globedriving]

May God Bless and Guide All of us, its very important to believe in one God that's the basic foundation when its comes to believe in God, everyone should do their research and don't blindly believe anything, There is only 1 God the one and only who is worthy of worship.

[@paulmacarthur6948]

There is a coming day of judgment for all. Those who have faith in Jesus Christ and accept him as Lord and Savior will be saved. Heaven is a perfect place.

[@zeraphking1407]

To the first guy: why do I need evolution to explain the meaning of life?

[@JoeMama-sd2kl]

Yep. Evolution as a process is a real thing that we see on animals, however evolution in itself doesnt explain origin (like a living state coming from a non living state) nor other important things such as the meaning of life like you said. Survival of the fittest and passing your genes as a purpose to living is a shallow and empty one imo.

[@007Bokser]

Dude put soo much trust in evolution (theory of madman) than reality. Where this world going???

[@jelly7310]

Most of it is going down the wide road to hell

[@dannyneiba]

This guy argument started off pretty good but it fizzled

[@AngelsTravelz]

So he was against the idea of building relationships in heaven and called it “boring” and yet a few minutes later he’s saying relationships on earth are extremely beneficial and mysterious.

[@JohnjOcampo]

In order to stay in atheism you have to be intellectually dishonest on a daily basis, hence why most of them tend to have narcissistic tendencies.

[@parkplaceproperties4818]

At 18:12 when the gentleman says that non-Christians in Asia are more "moral" now than back 200 years, what is he referring to if morality is relative??? He made that comment/claim as if he was supposing there to be a perfect standard of morality that people nowadays are progressing towards. He isnt being consistent.

[@dominatorg4]

What most of these people seem to think is “as humans we are better than God, we have it all figured out!” When we really don’t, we can barely understand earthly things so how can we understand heavenly things?

[@midimusicforever]

God imbued us with value and purpose!

[@bealive4070]

The reason why many professed Christians and atheist thinks that worshipping God for eternity is boring is because they have not truly loved God and haven't experienced here (earth) truly worshipping God in spirit and truth.

[@matthewtull]

I don't know I'd use Mr. King as an example; (reading some history on that one) but otherwise a good post.

[@gamesplayerDJ]

What's meaning in the first place. We, human being always want to see everything in the scope of *our world* (mind). Whatever you think is meaningful here is so only because of God in the first place; so in Heaven you will probably beg God to worship Him.

[@bjudah]

I’m Amazed that cliff let the whole “God gave an evil commandment” and “it was ok to kill men women and children because God said so” comment slide without any correction... thumbs down for that alone... that was a critical misunderstanding and he didn’t address it, he folded on that... 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@JohnjOcampo]

You sound pathetic.

[@ChuckBarchuk]

2nd!!!!!!!! I'm gonna catch you one day Burning7One! You just wait and see. ;)

Charles B Third!! I want that second spot, I'll get it next time :)

[@ChuckBarchuk]

FACTvsEVOLUTION You can't have it! It's mine I tell you! :)

Charles B We will see about that!!! :)

[@arturoluna475]

what better explains Gandhi's recognition of his personal prejudices and subsequent decision to carry on a fight to eliminate them? biochemistry or an objective and transcendent consciousness and moral agency?

[@godisgood201]

I really don’t see how God wouldn’t allow us to play sports or even video games in heaven. People build great relationships around sports and video games. And since we will have physical bodies in heaven, I don’t see why God wouldn’t let us play with each other and have fun.

[@bonnie43uk]

at about 0:25 seconds Cliffe says God created us with innate worth. What about all the millions of babies and young children who have lived very short lives and have known nothing but pain, misery, starvation and ultimately death?, why did God create them? and what innate worth did they have? From an evolutionary viewpoint it makes more sense to me that they were born and died because of various tragic and terrible circumstances, they could have been born in a region of the world that was undergoing a great famine, perhaps in an area plagued with mosquito's that infected the child with malaria, or born in a war zone, I can find logical reasons why children die, but when Cliffe says that we are born with innate worth, and then, that child or baby dies in terrible pain and agony, I fail to grasp what he means.

[@SusanJenkinsArtist]

bonnie43uk That is a valid question Bonnie. It is indeed so hard to understand pain and suffering in this world. The age old question is, "How could a loving God allow such suffering?" This seems like a reason in itself to not believe in God, and to believe He is evil and created us to suffer. The problem is that from our human perspective we don't see the whole truth. We must seek God for His Truth and His Word is the only Truth. The God of the universe created all things GOOD. There would have never been any suffering, death, pain, etc if mankind had not sinned. The world we now experience is a result of sin. Yet, God loved us so much that He came to this earth to pay the penalty for sin so that ALL who believe in Him can be reborn and have life eternal. It's so hard I know to understand this when there is an enemy in this world who has done such a good job of making the Bible seem like an old antiquated book that is not relevant for today. But when we really call upon God for understanding His truth can be understood. There are probably not enough words I can share in this response to convince you of all the error in the thinking of today's supposed "intellectuals".... but I will end in saying that without God everything is meaningless.... and with God the light of Truth saves the soul. Blessings and love.

[@ChuckBarchuk]

bonnie43uk Hi Bonnie! Interesting point. Well I would assume all these children are in heaven. And if they are I doubt they are missing their existence on earth. I could be wrong though. Seems to me the earth has or had at one time enough resources for everyone to have food and their basic needs met. You could argue that God did do something then: He created you and I and everyone else. So maybe all of us need to get off our apathetic buttocks and do something about it. Anyhow If heaven is real then I think that changes things. I do agree from our perspective it seems pointless to have created these children. But just because we don't see the reason doesn't mean one doesn't exist. If God has absolute knowledge then how can we possibly know all the how's and why's. I know this goes into the whole mystery of God territory which kind of stinks but it's all I got...lol. But still it doesn't make watching all the suffering going on all over the world any easier. It troubles me deeply. But I guess I would rather have hope that God exists and ultimate justice and redemption will come to all these people as oppose to believing they will get none at all. Just my 1 cent. :)

[@fellowservant34]

bonnie43uk Concerning the "millions of babies" who died early, what is early to God? First off, if you believe the Bible, you know we live in a cursed world. We don't believe in a sinless dwelling until Jesus returns. Secondly, the value of a human being to God is not determined by number of days on earth. As a matter of fact, in the Bible many prophets of God not only died early, but experienced horrible deaths. (the upside is they get to see God earlier:) Only the Creator of life gets to justly determine when certain life periods He created expire.

[@ImmaKakarot1]

bonnie43uk Why do millions of babies and children live short lives or die prematurely? When we are born physically we are sons of Adam. So there's always a chance that our fallen genetics manifests itself as a disease or physical disability. That is why there is death to begin with. The fall of Adam caused a curse on all of creation. That is why we need to be born again in spirit. That is when we become sons of God instead of Adam and in our next lives we will have new perfect bodies. Jesus did not come to make bad men good, but to make dead men live.

[@bonnie43uk]

Susan Jenkins Hi Susan, thanks for your reply, yes indeed, it's one of the hardest questions to answer. If there is a loving God, why is there so much pain in the world?. You said that from our human perspective we don't see the whole truth, which I suppose can be seen as a valid answer from a Christian perspective. As I said, from an evolutionary perspective though, it makes perfect sense, some people are born in places around the world that, for many different reasons, will mean their life will be one of pain, struggle and death. You and I were lucky enough to be born in fairly affluent parts of the globe, hunger and malaria aren't part of our daily lives. The main crux of my question though was a response to Cliffe saying "we were created with worth", I can't see how that tallies in with young children and babies dying in pain and misery.. Cliffe says we are all born with a purpose, but it's very hard to see it from his perspective when you are a mother in lets say Ethiopia who has just had to bury her daughter who died of starvation. To simply say, we do not see the whole truth falls quite a bit short for me. The "God works in mysterious ways" answer just leaves me very frustrated.

[@Mr.C-Mister]

Wish he would have explained the killing of kids and woman. Also attacking the slavery issue.

[@tharcisseofficial]

Whenever an atheist brings up the history of Christianity, my first response is to bring up the history of paganism.

[@ChuckBarchuk]

I have to admit Cliffe, you didn't do that well in this exchange. You also seem to go off on tangents at times that take you away from the topic at hand.

[@bjudah]

(I am a follower of Jesus Christ) and I Strongly agree with you...

[@PRELLD501]

Interesting!! So the gentleman says that spending eternity with God is boring.. But I’m pretty sure that he has experience plent of boring days and nights bored. Possible even months that can add up to years!! And yet I ask which is worst spending entirety in hell or heaven? Even if any one doesn’t believe in God that is fine. God had giving you the option to be apart from him and spending your life standing on your on morals and values which is a very very weak foundation!! The devil also decided to do the same so which path is safer? Your own or Jesus!! Name one thing that is negative that dosent improve your life with Jesus? I’m sure somone will respond with ways it doesn’t improve there life’s due to the love of sin! “ There is a way that seems right to a man, but it’s end is the way of death”!!!

[@Houston810]

This idea that there is such a thing as "ultimate meaning" or "superior meaning" or some kind of "overriding meaning" I think is an absurd fiction.

[@rocksoli4]

+Houston Davis Is that a truth statement or just your opinion.........if you are just a higher order of animal in that you can speak ....your opinion has no meaning it is just your brain molecules fizzing off...so what ....so what to my opinion ...we are ultimately a meaningless clump of molecules .......without God there is no meaning top our lives.......with God we all have equal worth and ultimate meaning that we as valuable to each other as brother and sister. There are 12 systems in the body (Google it) .....all that information demands a superior mind the alternative is that we came from innate matter i.e Intelligence cannot come from the"Innate" ....that is what is really absurd fiction. In my meaningless opinion....if you believe we are meaningless i.e evolved from the innate.

[@Houston810]

rocksoli4 None of this babble even came close to making contact with what I said. Honestly you just sound high, "brain molecules fizzing off", what does this even mean??

[@richsuga]

If the universe had no meaning, then how would a person (who is purely a product of that universe) ever arrive at the conclusion that it has no meaning? To invoke an argument from CS Lewis, if there were no light in the universe, and therefore no creatures with eyes, how would we ever come to the conclusion that there is a state called “darkness”? Darkness would be without meaning.

[@danweaver4304]

When Cliffe uses those terms, he is referring to notable humanist philosophers like Nietzsche, Skinner, Russell, etc. The concept is not “absurd fiction”, but one of the philosophical foundational pillars. Other religions might refer to it as reaching nirvana, or attaining oneness with the universe. Christianity considers Jesus Christ to be the source who gives ultimate purpose to our lives, meaning there is no deeper meaning to be found.

[@Houston810]

@@richsuga You are speaking of darkness descriptively in reference to light. CS Lewis is simply making the point that a contrast is necessarily for descriptions of contrasts to exist. Interestingly though your first sentence has no contrast, they are both states of meaninglessness... so I don't know where you are going with that.

[@MrNicolasAlan]

Innate worth is innate; It exists naturally. God does not add value to humanity; humanity has value apart from god. Worshipping, loving and serving god doesn't make any life worthwhile or bring meaning to life.

[@PGBurgess]

Alan Means good point... How is it that god can place value on life, but we can not... could anybody explain this mysterious ability of god to do this?

[@jamesgrosso4372]

That's funny. Not.

[@JohnjOcampo]

You believe that you become fertilizer after death, don't talk to me about having innate value lol.

[@1stOnehere]

I would hate to see it but it may be time for cliffe to retire. He's done a lot of shows and seems to be going through the motions sometimes. Cliffe keeps digging in his bag of old scripted answers. He has a hard time with students that know the bible and have good debating skills. He is also bound by a old book which no new ideas or innovative discoveries can emerge from. He's mentally trapped by his faith in the Bible. With that said, Cliffe will always be my favorite apologist. He's very likable.

[@Burning7One]

First!

[@joecline1114]

This kid took Cliff to task and made much more sense in his questions and explanations. Cliff had to go off topic because he didn’t have good answers.

[@boltrooktwo]

Why are you so critical of Cliff? Are you an example of love, tolerance, altruism, and empathy other people can follow?

[@JohnjOcampo]

Then you wilfully chose not to listen, keep coping friend.

[@nardforu131]

It feels talk went of topic about meaning of life. Also atheist went on the attack on theism. Theist should have point out more the flaw of atheism when it comes to meaning of life and worth.

[@JB-ku7kv]

These clowns and their love for evolution. Thinking that man has the answers and justifying it on faith, but claiming to live by proof

[@codeblood2000]

Obviously the young man pull up deliberate ignorance and arrogance towards Christian and also Cliff good-not-great Butte those those silly comments made by the young man very well

[@localguide1611]

I think cliffe needs to improve this answers. He is using too much stock answers that he uses over and over again and not really addressing the questions at hand. And has no answer for the violence in the OT. Only saying that Jericho was a fort. It was actually a city with houses in it not just soldiers in it. Cliffe, you can do it, up your game!

[@ChuckBarchuk]

john lee Yep I agree. He needs to come up with some new responses in some areas and just some better ones in others. He also looked a bit flustered.

[@ChuckBarchuk]

john lee What is your response to the violence in the OT by chance? Just curious.

[@bjudah]

I literally stopped the video and gave it a thumbs down because of that... and I’m a follower of Christ and I watch many of Cliffe’s vids... I agree with what you you’re saying 👏🏾

[@snipercheata]

@@ChuckBarchuk thankfully Cliff doesn’t preach for your thumb ups.

[@dperkins01]

Where would the soul be located? If everything about you can be changed by physical changes to the brain then you are purely physical.

[@JohnjOcampo]

Just because you change the physical doesn't mean the soul has powers to heal the body to it's natural and original state.

[@AlphaAchilles]

I assure you…your not going to be bored when your in hell. I hate how the argument to heaven is that hell is a good alternative to worshipping God. Also, if old dude would have known what the Canaanites were doing to their own babies may be eradicating them wasn’t such a bad idea God gave them hundreds of years to stop and warning after warning. And they decided not to listen. Therefore they were judge. It wasn’t because God felt like killing people.

[@jamesgrosso4372]

God in the sky? Where do kids get this stuff?