Asmongold Exposes D2 & All Live Service Games

[@LUCKYY10P]

Live service games are all using the same tactics to keep you hooked but after playing games for so many years the allure is wearing off

[@idreamofglitches8733]

On the Destiny 1 front, on Xbox actually I ran into issues with 'not having xbox gold subscription' so even though I had all the expansions, I was unable to play MOST of the content because they are locked behind Xbox Gold subscription only (now called xbox gamepass?). So kinda sorta still a liveservice BS at least from Xbox. at $10 bucks a month it might not sound like much, but since I stopped playing games on xbox, I canceleld because it wasnt worth it to me anymore. Quite sad, because I did really love Destiny 1

[@keronstewart9446]

sadly we all know that asmomgold is completely full of it

[@worldender9388]

Finally decided to check out borderlands 3 this week and now I don't want to play Destiny. Finding badass guns and feeling super powerful in borderlands is the feeling I was chasing in Destiny and not getting. Already paid for the year so I'm gonna still play the story but it's just so unappealing now.

[@rageknight2340]

Main reason why I stopped playing D2 24/7 and switch to warframe cause they don’t sunset anything.

[@Shikyouu]

don't force yourself to play D2 and you're gonna fine

[@GirlfightClub]

34 is “old”???😂😂😂 I turned 57 last week. Been solid gamer since Atari 2600 💪🏻

[@MegaWaynoT]

😂 I’m 61

[@GirlfightClub]

@ you shall from now on be called: “PONG” 😜😘

[@jwp1180]

I'm 44 and insulted by them saying 35 is old.

[@Decoy303]

You are seasoned.

[@GirlfightClub]

@ seasoned but not done 😏 👾

[@drakescakes5629]

The best way to enjoy Destiny imo is 1. Come back in spurts (a few months maybe once or twice a year) 2. Grind for a few meta builds/weapons for you most enjoyed class (for me it’s warlock and I have good enough builds for gms and raids) 3. Do not pay attention to fomo. There is WAAAAAYY to many things to grind for at this point. Focus on just a few things. I still use my crafted Posterity hand cannon with voltshot and frenzy. Now there are better options but it is still good enough to do anything (most things that are better might save you a few seconds in a kill and that’s it). Once you get bored after trying to get in a few times, say goodbye for half a year.

[@benzoswonzo8491]

been doing this for years, it works

[@MrMightyZ]

That’s just about exactly me. It works. For me. For us. For some of us.

[@Skorpion._]

This method helped me fall in love with this game again after I dropped it during curse of osiris and came back before the season of the drifter. Been having ocassional d2 breaks ever since

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

the best way to enjoy Destiny is to play how you want to play. Full stop.

[@dprogfan6919]

if you are a veteran, one of the best ways to alleviate fomo is to play with new lights, anything you miss you could run with players playing the first time.

[@kipkrueger5159]

1. Go to your vault 2. Count how many weapons you grinded hours for 4. Look how many kills you have with that weapon 5. Realise how much time you've wasted for no reason 6. Realise you can do ANY content in the game with gear you've owned since year 1

[@nyoin2028]

Yup. Arrivals vault cleaning and content vaulting made me realize the time spent on nothing. then I played 4k more hours doing it again.

[@Noname-ol8ef]

Well yah, enemies in certain activities can go down in one shot, but people mainly grind for a veriety of weapons for the endgame, where build, utility, and dps optimization is needed and/or highly recommended.

[@michaeloliver5909]

You mean the illusion of variety lmaoooo

[@kipkrueger5159]

Builds only matter to make things easier, skill matters much more. Min maxing a build just to do an encounter 30 seconds quicker doesn't make up for the hours spent grinding to get the "perfect roll"⁸

[@Noname-ol8ef]

​@@kipkrueger5159 Can't practice well/shatter skating if you don't have an eager sword....

[@jagermantis]

As someone with 4,000+ Hours in Destiny 2 (Not including destiny 1) Its just not worth it anymore. I don't think anyone can deny that. Destiny suffers heavily from poor management who really have gutted the studio from dedicated employees who enjoyed building the world which even existed far into destiny 1 into FOMO cash-grabbing garbage.

[@solaruschain]

I get all this but man the amount of hypocrites I see type all this then continue to play d2 amazes me. Hopefully y’all aren’t still playing the game since its in such a terrible state 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@LieutenantTHOR]

@@solaruschain3000 plus hours here, uninstalled halfway through episode 1. Not looking back at that fomo time sink.

[@PuNlisher]

sure

[@dprogfan6919]

@@solaruschain True that, the true quitters are the ones you never hear from again, but the continuous "this game is dead" messages just implies that you still play the game

[@solaruschain]

@@LieutenantTHOR yup exactly. A lot of players are still hanging on by a thread. Bungie knows this but i don’t think they will change anything drastically until those players eventually leave. But they won’t since these players are still playing the game

[@LordViaagra59]

As a boomer I approve this message 😂😂😂😂😂😂 stopped playing D2, started playing solo games..I'm 65 I'm older 😂😂😂😂😂

[@pabloa.gutierrez406]

My man 💪🏼👑💜

[@Coconut_D_Coconut]

Words of wisdom from our Betters 🙇🏾‍♂️🙇🏾‍♂️🙇🏾‍♂️

[@EYBeats]

bruh your username checks out XD

[@Stuckin92]

WoW mount == D2 Skimmer Even as a casual, I cannot tell you how close I was to buying the skimmer pack right before this season, all because I wasn’t playing when it was last offered for free, and had intense FOMO seeing every other player flying over Arcadian Valley and other large traversal sections that otherwise have enemies on the ground that don’t even progress the mission! 😓

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

The main reason I even started playing Destiny so many years ago was because it had the best FPS gameplay in the market and it still does today. Nothing feels as good as this game despite its many flaws and it’s one of the reasons why I still play it today.

[@GRAVEMINDGOATERA]

Halo has better core mechanics

[@gregm.stanley8221]

I have to say, that if you haven't tried the new black ops 6 zombies, it's pretty awesome. The movement and gun play are every bit as good as Destiny! Well, the movement is great but grounded and no verticality like Destiny. It seems that the zombies experience has been scratching some Destiny players itches quite a bit here lately. Lots of fun

[@richardkim3652]

Destiny 2 is worse because Bungie and the community from what I've seen HATES solo players and casual content. In this time and year majority of gamers are solo players and that's why mmo games are even putting in more and more solo content but Destiny 2 or Bungie and their community HATES that idea.

[@mohawkaktownwarrior2540]

@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX me too with over 4k hours

[@spiderz5898]

​@@GRAVEMINDGOATERA not anymore.

[@SomethingScotty]

The best thing to come out of Destiny recently has been Tom Christie.

[@mikeerdman2834]

I've always liked playing solo much better...

[@zJohnnyMac]

It's because games are a distraction. That's all they ever will be. They aren't tricking you. You decided gaming was more entertaining than creating a family, getting in shape, repairing relationships. You haven't cracked the code... You just grew up. Now you need something bigger to entertain you. Also this "I'm drained of this game, so it must be bad" is so toxic. Other people in life say the SAME thing about anything you do. Whether it be your profession or lifestyle. The trick is to be content or strive to discover. You can't expect both at the same time. At the end of the day we all meet in the ground. So why are we complaining, if we all have the same destination?

[@ziggyinthecut]

This comment moved me

[@richardkim3652]

Destiny 2 is worse because Bungie and the community from what I've seen HATES solo players and casual content. In this time and year majority of gamers are solo players and that's why mmo games are even putting in more and more solo content but Destiny 2 or Bungie and their community HATES that idea.

[@KingTraut]

Entertainment, like tv or movies, exact same thing and yes your whole life is a distraction before you die. It’s the truth.

[@KingTraut]

@@richardkim3652They went away from solo content and getting everything solo with dungeons and that’s when I quit, not being able to get a bunch of exotics unless I team made me annoyed and I quit.

[@RED-yx8pp]

Matt Walsh? That you?

[@VoltSulf01]

When I listened to this video, it was true. Just been on a cornerstone of playing games or not, playing multiple live services games is like a multi option to pick a chore list that won't help irl chores or activities.

[@the_real_ick]

This. When the game you play ends up feeling like another job.

[@Famous_Frosty]

That’s a big problem, and content creators want things to be harder and ultimately turning people off, cause people don’t wanna teach, and it leaves people behind a only a small percent are doing it. I’ve gilded my conquers title 10 times and still get kicked… it can be toxic the destiny community.

[@idreamofglitches8733]

And Bungie used to sell some of the cosmetics for BRIGHT DUST. In the Eververse Store. I used to be able to save up Bright Dust and actually be able to buy the event skins (like early Solstice glows) but now almost all of the 'cool' event cosmetics are all Silver (real money) purchases only. The 'Bright Dust' menu is a tiny smatter of random cosmetic slots, which you just have to pray release the ones you want. Then they only sell ONE slot of the current seasonal cosmetic per week, only increasing the fomo, even if you already had bright dust saved up. It's gotten worse and worse over time.

[@vipset87]

Hey I've never seen a finisher in the brightdust store

[@kyeda]

If you can't log in once a day, per week, that's not fomo. That's you being so insanely lazy OR you don't actually care about it, and are just using it as an excuse. Wake up.

[@vipset87]

@kyeda sooo about those finishers...

[@worldender9388]

Every event sells the armor sets for bright dust and for silver. It's 6k bright dust per armor set.

[@michaelhuie5878]

Not only this but now they prevent you from seeing what week items will be sold for bright dust. So trying to capitalize on FOMO for ppl to prematurely buy a skin or cosmetic. Since now we don't know when certain skins will be available for BD.

[@tiltedbrim04]

The crazy part about cosmetic items is they take the minimalist of effort to make and then Bungie a million dollars on something that cost the company $20 bucks to make. The consumer is the problem. Stop paying and they will stop making

[@Thatdude_2002]

Mans just mad the cockroches he lives with only drop basic loot

[@hanamizuno0625]

lmao

[@RED-yx8pp]

😂🤣😂🤣😂💀

[@snowhare1]

I still enjoy d2. Even with all the bs. Because I do what I enjoy. It’s like arguing over rather tomato’s are good or not. Some people like it, some don’t. Maybe you used to like tomatoes but now you like onions. I have good rolls of most guns so I’m good with that

[@WiLLiW_oficial]

Me too! It's so fun the way the statuses and powers and weaknesses of each build, each weapon, armor, the gameplay is also very fun. I usually play from my sofa for an hour or two and feel very satisfied. However, I'm not in favor of resetting, it's frustrating to have your level "reset" in relation to enemies in PVE every time.

[@Marc-pu1wm]

Everyone talks about burnout from D2 but there's a core community that just never leaves no matter how much they threaten it in anger or pretend to have reached their breaking point. They talk about how the devs deserve better but they keep making sure that nothing ever changes because they just keep paying and playing which is what the Bungie execs want. They're hopelessly and helplessly addicted, like drug addicts. Content creators feel like they need D2 to stay relevant and so they will never leave, and core players are addicted and feel the sunk cost fallacy so they'll never leave, and Bungie will never change because of that fact. I played D2 from day 1 and stuck with it all the way until The Final Shape. I had every exotic, every catalyst finished, every adept weapon, every weapon pattern completed, etc. I soled GM's, soloed dungeons, had tons of completions on every raid, tons of flawlesses, etc. I stopped playing after I finished the campaign for Final Shape and after I ran the raid a few times. I was burnt out, but more than that I was let down with how Bungie would take the tiniest changes and things they reverted to old systems and pretended like they were grand innovations. After what happened with the layoffs I was convinced that Bungie wouldn't change for the better, but instead, only for the worse. I was tired of new thing coming out OP to create FOMO and old things nerfed into oblivion. I was tired of sandbox changes going round and round in circles; it was getting to the point where I actually predicted which weapons would be the next meta before the changes even happened because we had seen how they ran things for so long that they became predictable. I was tired of being promised changes in season structure only for them to use the same systems under a different name and everyone talked about how good it was. I was tired of nothing changing and everyone making excuses for it after their hollow threats of leaving never panned out. I was wanting to leave even beforehand and was mentally checked out before Final Shape but I wanted my ending. After I got my ending, I stopped playing D2 and started putting my time into other things and I honestly don't miss it. I haven't even thought about coming back to D2. I don't even watch videos or streams about D2 anymore; I only clicked on this one because of the title. Just let go, it's that simple. Maybe if enough people do that then there might be change some day, but as long as people don't let go then the game will always suffer the same problems over and over again forever.

[@eugenehavens]

Thanks for sharing that. This game is a life meta for a lot of people. They can't leave as the game deteriorates around them. It is sad. Glad to hear you got out.

[@kristophershephard7359]

Asmon cleaned his room and maybe washed his face!? Dude finally got free time. Blow the trumpets!!

[@gregm.stanley8221]

yeah he recently got banned on twitch for a bit and cleaned his house some lol

[@scoty_does]

I used to do daily bounties but Pathfinder fixed that for me. I dont even look at pathfinder and i take days and weeks off from Destiny now. Thanks Pathfinder from freeing me from the daily bounties grind!

[@worldender9388]

I like pathfinder because I can just play a match or two of gambit with my arc hunter build and then it's done.

[@scoty_does]

@@worldender9388 What is gambit?

[@mayberry2734]

@@scoty_does PVPVE 5v5, team that kill big boss first, wins the match.

[@scoty_does]

@@mayberry2734 That sounds awesome. Does it have more than 4 maps?

[@unknownuser069]

@@scoty_does Well ... they did just restore some old maps, so I guess it has like 6 maps now.

[@dontttalktostrangers]

I was afk from D2 for 5yrs and returned with a new acct abt 3mo ago. It’s been irritating tbh, bc so many long term players treat KinderGuardians as if lepers. So, I made my own clan and am building up for teaching solely NEW players. I actually recruit in the EDZ. Why? Because it’s no fun to play a game with little understanding abt how to become good enough to actually be involved in the fun.

[@MrMightyZ]

This thought revolution is just like sports fans saying “They’re just corporate jerks who make predatory systems to take our money” but I love eating my crappy hotdog and I LOVE watching the game so the fact that I hate these systems and the people who design them is immaterial to me. If you feel you are selling your soul then you must not understand the contract you are making with the corpos who run your entertainment.

[@fnclown808]

I mean, isn’t that what they’re going to do in the next expansion which is getting rid of armor stats? Which will void all the grind we did to get it and another grind to work on? 4:17 “nobody wants to keep farming for some helmet” was the one that hit it for me. What I want is bring back the red war, leviathan raid.

[@pituguli5816]

Yea Bro I ain't grinding for more armor, I would rather shove a cactus up mi clacker.

[@mena10ss]

Lucky you should try variety streaming when there isn't much happening in Destiny. Maybe it'll help your burnout and you can try new stuff.

[@LUCKYY10P]

I have been variety streaming, I was just playing Destiny Rising and D1 the other day 😉

[@Aurummorituri]

@@LUCKYY10PPlay some Satisfactory. It frees the mind from battle passes, FOMO, and lousy narrative. You just make cool factory things while your AI occasionally pipes up to say something cheeky. 😊

[@DannyM246]

Definitely feeling this. Grown tired of the endless loop of grinding for something and then when you get it, you use it a couple of times then it sits in your vault. Every season you use the same 6 maybe 7 weapons with the addition of one maybe you actually like. I have been feeling like my time has been wasted and I have felt like I’m chasing something that I just spent an hour doing and didn’t get what I wanted more likely then actually getting what I wanted. I too have been contemplating going back to single player games

[@richardkim3652]

Destiny 2 is worse because Bungie and the community from what I've seen HATES solo players and casual content. In this time and year majority of gamers are solo players and that's why mmo games are even putting in more and more solo content but Destiny 2 or Bungie and their community HATES that idea.

[@TheChrisLouis]

All devs follow the META in live service games until they start realizing that it isnt working. Its got a short shelf life and Fortnite is probably one of the few that have a big enough install base that they can get away with messing up here and there. All these games being monetized to death have taken out the game part of the game itself. They all might as well be "Open Wallet Simulators". That is why so many of us are reverting to single player games. Entire packaged games with nothing else to buy, no subs, no micros, everything earnable in game and a complete experience.

[@gregm.stanley8221]

One of the greatest things about Destiny 1 was that all the content was there, no matter when you started playing. You didn't have to feel like the heel because you didn't get that 1 gun that everyone uses because you couldn't or didn't play at that point. I guess it's a bit different now since there's no trials or IB, but I started playing Destiny 1 In Oct 2016 and did it all and had tons of fun by the time D2 came out. I was a pc gamer then and now, but I did buy an Xbox just for Destiny. Glad I did. Legend of a game!

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

He is ranting that we play the games only for the loot. Thats not the case, at least for me. I play for funnwith friends sure ill chase loot but thats just kinda part of the fun.

[@JoseGoncalves-pz3fn]

Destiny 2 has become the game I kill time with between the games I genuinely enjoy.

[@TheSum41offspring]

I totally agree, I hate this meta system that doesn’t bring anything to gameplay and experience. The only reasons why I still play destiny are I f**king love the universe and lore and it has some unique gameplay with doctrines and subclasses with gunshots. But to be fair focusing on activities experience, destiny has nothing new since forsaken

[@PandoraRei]

This is when you start to realize why companies are against preserving/re-releasing older games. They want you to continue buying the slop they produce so that you consume consume consume

[@rickylai3965]

remember the days when you have to do a very long quest just to get an exotic and you feel very special and meaningful. Now you can get them next to the vault, that will tell you how much time you have wasted , no need to check the vault on weapons you have used.

[@nanosmokex6998]

I have finally broken away from the chains of D2 it feels so nice to play other games again

[@sgtquig9040]

I got over 4K hours on D2. I take month long breaks from it regularly and play other stuff. Picked up the Dragon Quest 3 remake. Going to start that later this week. I also have a few other single-player games that I want to play this winter.

[@35jackieestacado]

This hits home so much I'm the same age and I've played very little destiny I've played so many more single players lately

[@RustyPnda]

Basically most, Not All, streamers have ruined the gaming industry. They burn through content so fast because it’s their job so companies have to create content to keep up with the grind. Therefore live service was created.

[@scarixix]

Yeah At times I have grinded 3 or 4 live service style games at once. Agree it gets tiresome indeed. I fell out of close communication even with my clan buddies who run raids and dungeons. By time they get around to asking my person generally they are burned out from getting catylysts etc Plus I don’t feel that have all those long hours to spend. Used to run lost sectors for mats and odd exotic. Now I have less fun. Hoping that Solo Ops thing is cool.

[@forever10gaming]

I think it cool how you evolved from a hardcore pvper to a hardcore PVEer. You have the best look at the game

[@cayde6362]

I haven't even noticed how bad the paid track of the season pass is on Destiny. Upgrade Modules, Enhancement Cores, and now they have Strange Coins in there too, meanwhile the free side is pretty bare bones. I thought it was the opposite when it was first introduced, no?

[@branflakes5917]

Dlc models were more appreciated and less hated by the community than the seasonal model they have now. I'd rather wait 6 months for a good dlc than get less than mediocre content every 3 months.

[@GraysTake]

I recently came back to Destiny 2 after being off for about 2 months and was upset that my old build was still one of the best. When I ran matchmade content, people still didn't have ways to stop all champions, still didn't communicate (other than to tell me to turn my mic off) and still didn't do simple team things like stopping to rez instead of just walking right by me.

[@derpcat795]

15 for a shader that will probs be good on like 5 pieces of armor out of the 100 of them

[@vvarrunn]

same for me. had been playing destiny since 2017. used to play only single player campaigns before, but never touched any other game since 2017. i have about 15000+ hrs with d2 and d1 combined. finally this year, especially since last month, i finally gave up. i finally feel that d2 has nothing more to offer anymore. i loved pvp but this season's comp made me realise that the game just keeps you stuck in this never ending illusion of grind. i would spend 10 hrs playing comp and i'd still feel i achieved nothing. got back into single player games last month. started with witcher 3 replay. finally, i felt this sense of achievement at finishing a game. i love going for trpohies and achievements.it's so fun to go for it in these single player games. you get this sense of completion and achievement which d2 is seriously lacking now. d2 is this never ending illusion of grind. all your god rolls will be outdated in 1 year, 2 years max and you will be back to basically 0.

[@Spamthulhu]

The time sink expected by the hard-core players versus the time sink it should really take are miles apart

[@SimonBannow]

He's pretty much dissecting Diablo: Immortal(I've been playing that for a year). I recently bought LotR: Shadow of War on a sale, as I wanted to try a single-player game, that wouldn't stress me out so much. Haven't gotten around to play it yet, as I constantly feel the urge to log in and do daily missions and help clanmates in Diablo: Imm. Even one of my all-time favorite games - RUST has elements of the issues described: seasonal events, payable skins that gives you an advantage - although that game is nowhere as predatory as Diablo: Immortal, it still has that slow creep.

[@brandondean5680]

I may sound old but i miss d1, the only time i enjoyed looking forward to getting on

[@itsreapernecrosis2215]

Literally the only reason i come back is to raid when my buddies asked me. Now that light level is shared, i basically dont have to play at all to stay on par, i can just blast out raids and then hop off, cuz its the inly good content. Rest is time sink garbo. Really has brought me some peace of mind and i enjoy alot of other games these days.

[@davidsiua3003]

Destiny killer is Bungie!!!!

[@LUCKYY10P]

True

[@derpcat795]

I wish festival of the Halloween(D2) was aa fun activity that was unlike from the start I would not care if they didn't change the activity as long as it's a fun and I could play it like 5 times and not be bored. But what we got is a lost sector with clowns(headless ones) that drop candy. Again it could be the same activity for like 10yrs no changes but as long as it's fun All they would really have to do is give the guns update at most. But the main focus is the activity being fun. If it was fun I would literally be interested in playing and inviting friends for it. But we got the look the gl is nice perks and look shader

[@chrisdaniel7146]

I’ve missed the last 2 raid races and the dungeon race and nothing feels worse than knowing that if I had the time I could have done it but it doesn’t matter now. Destiny has been the biggest game outside of Halo in my life and I think the game play and that feeling of life through the game is only thing holding me to this game.

[@Rex200024]

Hey I’m curious what’s that music you’re listening to at the start of this video sounds cool 🙂

[@migaelz]

I felt extremely behind when the latest dungeon dropped and we felt like we had to 10-phase the final boss with 3 people. It just showed we didn't have the meta weapons, causing me to just stop giving a damn about it.

[@winterysaucer7456]

I want you players to do these three things 1) go into your vault pick weapons out that have no kills and put the weapons you have kills with in the vault and play with guns you haven’t played with yet put the crappy none dps supers on and play with them till you have fun then switch it up again. 2) stop grinding for loot from raids or gm and play the older activities like whisper zero campaign activitys the kind that was a one and done… 3) find crappy players/blueberries and make them a player you play with and then complete stuff with em

[@mrforzum875]

I’ve been moving away from the daily - weekly login to Destiny and been focusing on playing single player games either new or old ones I’ve missed out on. I haven’t had this much appreciation & fun with games in a long ass time. That’s not to say I don’t play Destiny, I do, but I only jump in for the story and to max out season rank. Once I hit 100/150/200 and have done all the story I put it down until next season or expansions. When expansions drop tho I do play it quite a lot the first month or two. The magic of Destiny has also begun to kinda dissipate. Loot hasn’t been interesting for years. New exotics are rarely worth it. If the grind for loot doesn’t entice you anymore, what is there to do? Sure I can play with friends for the fun of it, but a part of that fun is to chase loot and with that being more or less gone, a big part of wanting to play Destiny 2 is just missing. Maybe the future can bring back wanting to chase new loot and be active with the game again. Armor 3.0 does sounds interesting. There isn’t any game like Destiny so I won’t ever stop playing it. It feels extremely good, and it is a lot of fun and has created some of my best gaming moments I’ve ever had.

[@88baldur1]

22,000 D2 hours! I've @ 9,000 and I felt BAAAD at my highest grind years. I'm down to @ 20 hrs week coming back feom a break( casual , right!?)

[@SOULCH13F]

I literally just play destiny when I feel like there’s something that I have fun doing. I don’t enjoy the grind as much as I once did. When my 2 best friends hop on I’m always there because that’s more fun than the grind for whatever god roll is current. I’ve made a big shift to single player games in the last year. Hogwarts Legacy, Black Myth Wukong, and Ghost of Tsushima have been my most played games in the last year. So I 100% get what he’s saying.

[@stevedavis2344]

I realized this once they unsunsetted my godrolled weapons. And they didn’t even stand a chance against the new ones they released

[@TheTorqueAholic]

I’ve been leaning away from D2 when it started feeling like I had to work to hit all the marks. Now I’m playing the Division 2 single player campaign, just reach Warlords after 6 months, and there’s about 7-9 manhunts after the dlc story, and then the secret bosses/enemies to go after and then I’ll be done 😅. I’m pretty sure I’ll be off D2 by the end of next year with all of the single player campaign games to play in my collective DRM library.

[@C.J.33]

it's interesting that you mentioned gambling in the video because that addiction is sparked similar to how they do the models in the live service games. When you go to a casino for the first time, at all the ones I've visited- They give you like $20-50 cash in play credits. You can choose to only spend that amount and be done, or keep spinning the wheel hoping to get those free spin payout rewards. Same thing with Destiny 2. They give you the seasonal model. You can get the artifact for free and get those free rewards after just a little time, or you can pay to expedite the process. So at the very least there are visible and tangible guaranteed rewards for -gambling- gaming. But the hopes of doing those seasonal activities after the paywall is where the jackpot is. Whatever that god roll is, you'll try and try, spin and spin, and chances are you won't get it. One month is spin to win a free Corvette. Next month, a KR F-350, but only after they get their money back+. One month, the most OP weapon in the game. Next month the most OP weapon in the game- only after they nerfed the previous one into oblivion. Both rigged, designed to sucker in people. When the game went F2P I played the first few seasons because they were free, and didn't really care for it. STOPPED. Came back towards the end of Lightfall (What a disappointment), played for a little bit and waited for TFS. Played Season of Echoes and Didn't even get to 100 before I dipped. The constant grind and catch-up period was too much and I hit burnout hard. So yeah, I believe my time on D2 is probably over for good. Felt more like a Community Service and an obligation than a game. I still love the lore and keep up with others who can still play this trash concept but I can't anymore. Money is the root of all evil, capitalization (lol) sucks.

[@carloslovato8923]

As somone with over 7k hours in destiny i still enjoy the game and have become a completionest and try to do it solo just for fun to see if i can do what the streamers i see do all the time imo just play another game if you are getting bored but destiny is a forever game. Also i agree with almost everything but the falling behind thing in destiny i dont agree with i had quit playing destiny for over 2 years, came back and it took me like 3 to 2 weeks to catch back up so i dont agree, there are so many great content creators on this game its not hard to figure anything out and people are quite helpfull destiny isnt about having the new shiny thing for me! But just having fun and ofc the grind 😅😅

[@GodofWelding98]

Halo Infinite, Deep Rock Galactic you can go back to previous seasons and grind those rewards. All battle passes should be like that, especially if you paid for the premium pass. That’s my opinion

[@MisterD0F]

I have over 11,000 hours in Destiny 2. The past 2 years I have been playing other games full-time. I only come back for the new exotic and to ego gild my Conqueror seal for the 13th time.

[@FirstChronus]

Playing First Descendant made me realize I was wasting my time with Destiny. I don’t play either game anymore for the record. They are both trying to do the same crap. But one opened my eyes. It’s been months now and I feel liberated

[@gregoryliaros2626]

I completely agree with this video except for one difference is that is that Destiny has a really fun gameplay loop

[@MrCODYROB55]

GTA V came out on 360/ps3. The story mode/side missions was worth every penny. The online mode was just a bonus that came out later. It was pretty good but had some BS monetezation. If GTA VI follows the same model I'll be happy but I'm sure it will be a lot different in 2025.

[@dw4223]

The problem is.....I WANT a world that I feel I am a part of and that others are there with me too. For the most part I get that with D2, but the big thing that I think D2 and others are especially missing, is the social hub and chatting that I loved back in the old MMO days. I love scifi and miss the old feeling of Anarchy Online, Star Wars Galaxies, truly making friends in the middle of a dungeon. Anyone make friends from killing mobs in the pyramid or the sewer below the Omni area? Giving us a REAL social experience with D2 is what they need to do and I'd be happy LOL

[@jeremyday1611]

What got me is when Bungie started giving away guns early for people who payed more for deluxe versions. I can’t imagine how much money I’ve spent on D2 throughout the years and this was beyond irritating. Ir locking dungeons behind keys. I’ve moved around n and honestly I’m enjoying playing again

[@nestorlam3024]

Another reason why I dropped D2 in Act 1 , the finale shape was amazing it felt great but after that it’s just “ I gotta grind for this and that” Act 2 “ I gotta grind for this and that now” I just can’t do that anymore 😢 I love Destiny but I just can’t do that anymore, I’m 34 😂😂😂😂😂

[@WiLLiW_oficial]

The most annoying thing about Destiny2 is that you work hard to level up and play more easily in PVE and after the reset you have to do it all over again... there is little time between leveling up and the reset to take advantage of this higher level.😢

[@danbaruch9011]

Excellent point on the weapons. Particularly exotics. I main year one exotics. They far outperform any recent exotics. It seems Bungie is running out of ideas for exotics in the last few years. They are very situational where the exact conditions need to occur to use the benefit of the exotic. Put a Sunshot or Graviton Lance in your hands. Just aim, shoot and clear an entire room of adds. That's it. Simple. These weapons came out 7 years ago. Don't waste your time grinding for anything new.

[@MrDeworDie]

Something that bothers me about the season pass is that you pay for the pass, but if you aren't able to finish it that season, too bad, you won't be getting the season pass items you paid for. I think it would be more worth my money if those remaining items were unlocked at the end of the pass. This way it's a win win situation. We still have to grind and stay in the game, and we still get the items we've already paid for.

[@Dearbornification]

Which asmon video is this? Can I get a link please?

[@mparker422]

I was sooooo happy with Black Myth Wukong, and NCAA 25 came at the right time...

[@Steamcrow]

I have said it for years, the seasonal model that Destiny has had for so long is a great way to burn out your players. This is partly why I will always champion one big release of a HUGE full expansion feast for players to play, finish, then take a break from. Because constantly shoveling food to your players is going to make it feel like a chore to eat. From a design perspective, is it satisfying to the player experience if their work is constantly getting shuffled? No not at all. If you want your players do feel like their time is respected, quit shoving endless amounts of stuff at them all year long. Give them their big feast that they can take their time on, really enjoy, and feel satisfied finishing, eager and ready for the next big feast later on. It’s crazy to see so many live services disrespect the players time in this way.

[@alerwingg8173]

yup same here, playing my ps5/ps4/ps3/ps2/switch/and Nintendo 3ds backlog now i am done whit online live service games, no playing all the single players great games

[@Harrythe1st]

Nice cheese it was, thanks for the loot, let's get another round again 😅, but question, is vault of glass end chest accessible if I join after boss, i just need the timelost that I accidentally deleted somehow, new act, new grind 😂

[@stefanjackson1127]

There are some cosmetics in the game that cost as much as a triple A game (the bundles). "But that's just a skin or something, it's optional, it's not pay to win." Maybe that's true with a skin, this is just an example of the price point in this game. I'm sure many of you have seen the Aztecross video where there's talk of how there IS pay to win implemented by being able to access upgrade materials and currency etc with real money... The season pass being "buyable" is obscene. They are so unbelievably greedy. I haven't bought a single skin on the game because they're extortionate. If they sold them for the value they actually are, I'd probably have spent the amount of a triple A game on them because I'd have more than a ghost, sparrow and emote for $60...

[@GhostTutorial]

Destiny 2 is way easier to never fall behind.. easy to be casual and still be relevant.

[@pituguli5816]

I paid for the annual so Ima play till next season act 3 then I'm done, I honestly regret buying the annual and TFS. Lately I've been forcing myself to play because I'm not enjoying running the same GM I've ran 1000x or the same Dungeon I've run hundreds of times for the same crapola just with different perks. Why do we play? Addiction its addiction straight out to which I will break once I've played through what I paid for. Remove game from library then block all D2 utube channels, gotta break it. Destiny will be my last live service game, anything live service I wont even try.

[@TerranceShields-yd6pz]

I’m 21 and been playing single games for a minute they are so much more fun these live service games just don’t feel the same

[@yugimoto2005]

Sbmm is supposed to keep you from getting hammered when you are low skilled. I think there is actually not enough of it. Problem is that thr amount of people playing limited so thr brackets cant be "peoole of yiur same skill". Capitlism aint thr issue. Since games were made, it has always been a capitalist endevour. Problem I experience is how thry waste all your efforts by nerfing a weapokn and skill thry just introduce, so you can start from zero grinding again. And they know yiu want to get better so they put minimal effort xontent out there to waste your time getting vack to your original level. At least bring good content for us to waste our time with. However here is where real greed comes in. They want to put almost nothing in exchange for huge amounts of our time. Theyre fsrming us. Single olayer games have sn uprfont commitment. With a start and an end. I pay for my gsmes these days. Nothing is free. In fact i eould rsther oay momey for pay to win than waste my time.

[@FlukierKeyL636]

Gaming was beneficial for me before my favorites games turn into live service with time consuming mechanic. This is not only the fault of gaming. For me I tried to escape my suffery in real life. My favorites are Destiny, world of tanks console and GTA. All are now very time consuming and pay to win. GTA V: They have increase the cost of almost all items and this have increase the time I play. In World of Tanks: I easly wasted 3 000 $ on tanks when they started to add a lot of very fun and powerfull premium tanks. Limited time events, season pass and toxic players have encourage me to play more. I wanted to become better to stop receiving bad messages. Words have hurt my self-confidence. Destiny: I was playing Destiny 1 for fun, the campain and friends. Now I can not do raids, because there not enough players at my skill level and time -days I play. No crossplay and no PC port for more players. In D2 when they have put the story in season pass it became an obsession. I have paid for the content, so I need to get the loot before they remove them from the game. I lost 10 years of my life playing this three games. Maybe more games have affected me, but it's hard to remember.

[@MrMightyZ]

It’s super interesting that this is a discussion. The fact that it is is fascinating for what it might mean for those discussing it. To me it is X. I’ve always looked at X and seen X and I have no problem with the fact that I enjoy X or the reasons I enjoy it. But it’s like some gamers are having an awakening.

[@Mrgarunimo]

Unfortunately, business models have found a way to weaponize nostalgia

[@ghostqrow5648]

I agree with everything that was said in that video I've been feeling like that, that's why I took a break and when I have time I play story games

[@alecdl98]

I'd say the problem isn't capitalism, it's corporatism. We've had the same systems in places for a very long time but it wasn't until corporations started paying attention to how lucrative gaming is that we started having problems like this. Look at Bungie especially: they blew up with Halo CE with a development team of 45 people that just wanted to make a good game that they would want to play and it grew to be one of the most recognizable franchises of all time up there with Star Wars. But as the years went on and as the success of gaming was more prominent, corporations forced their ways into these avenues for revenue and it's made them a killing, not to make good games, but by hiring psychologists to make their games as addicting as possible to force us onto hamster wheels while they churn out the same slop we've been getting for years. And no studio encapsulates this better than Bungie itself, they even removed their slogan "We make games we want to play" and replaced it with a corporate sanitized "We create worlds that inspire friendship". Some bullshit man

[@JustSway]

I skimmed through that. Corporatism makes things fail, not capitalism. I'll agree. Palword doesn't have in-game purchases and it made a lot of sales and Fortnite has a bunch of in-game purchases but the fan base accepts it (I think, I don't keep up with that game) and makes billions. Destiny 2... when I look at an in-game purchase I feel depressed. If they want to make success and profit they have to provide for the gamers and what they want.

[@DJThomas59]

Something I hate about live service/mmos is having to know an encounter before I play. In single player games, I enjoy fighting a new enemy and learning how it fights. Whether I beat it first try or several. In other games, you have to know the fight before you even load into it. Even though it's still a challenge, it quickly makes new fights seems more tedious that fun. I shouldnt lose enjoyment from a game. Also the catchup stuff is lame. I play ff14 along with destiny, and they both have this problem. FF14 I need to either craft gear which takes a long time, or grind gear that that time gate so im forced to play for several weeks to get good gear on ONE job (AKA class). And both gameplay loops isnt enjoyable when you already done them. In destiny they try to help with catchup, but they always leave meta stuff for the grind. They can give you a full set of gear at lvl, only to see it has bad stats. Even when you get a new exotic, you have to grind out the catalyst to make them good. I sucks when you like these games, but see so much bad that I havent seen in a single player game.

[@xMikeDezzyx421]

Stopped played D2 over a year ago. Didn't want drop another $100 on final shape.

[@JeremiahSherlock-j6q]

@ 34:00 , what is the proof for this (for Bungie in particular, if you don't mind)? I'm genuinely interested. I quit D2 for other philosophical/ethical reasons.

[@nighttrain3430]

Y’all feel the burnout because this game is your job 😆 He’s not going to ruining nothing for a person who plays the game a healthy amount or other games.

[@hectornieves537]

This applies for every live service tho but it does especially for Destiny 2 for many of the reasons shown in the comments.

[@wolfgang5359]

My whole thing with games like Destiny and such was never wanting to be better or grind for some God roll. I just want to have fun with friends or by myself if they aren't on. Games these days are becoming far too competitive. Going for 100%, getting the God roll, doing a hard activity solo. None of those are fun to me unless the game itself is fun as well.

[@StephensBrianR]

Don’t play the same game for 8+ hours per day for 7 years. If you have that much time to play games, mix it up. I love having 1 or 2 games to play for years because I play maybe 3-4 hours a week. Games are not designed to be jobs. Or at least, they shouldn’t be. How content creators do it is beyond me. That’s a grind I cannot imagine.

[@MrMars-sb3yq]

Are we really going to listen to asmons opinion? Yunno, the same guy that said streaming, is harder than a 9 to 5 job? The same guy that only cleaned his house because he was banned from Twitch (not literally, but you know what i mean). He is a goober with a platform 😂

[@pandaell1029]

exactly what im saying

[@JustSway]

Asmongold didn't say that streaming was harder than a nine to five. I'm sure that was Hassan.

[@GFlight.916]

If the battle pass was permanent, I'd be fine with it.

[@andrewfisher375]

I noticed this years ago, I would always consider stopping D2 for this reason. About 2 years ago I finally got fed up having my weapons sunset or all the weapons I grinded for become weaker over time. Broadsword 🙄 Never got over that haha. Anyway thinking back, the last time I actually had a genuine good time playing was Escalation protocol. I logged on about 6 months ago just to give it a try, I didn't last a week before it felt the same. Glad I stepped away.

[@Rezz316]

I've been a big Asmon fan for years now and I'm not going to pretend that a lot of what he says isn't true, but as far as D2 is concerned, people have no idea what they even want D2 to be. Wasn't it not that long ago that people were complaining that D2 needed more loot to chase? Bungie damn near overhauls the game with all kinds of guns and now people want to complain about that too? They couldn't sunset weapons because people wanted to keep all the guns they don't use, now they can't make new guns because chasing loot in a looter shooter is bad too? 1:51 I was always under the impression this was a good thing. Now it's not? At the end of the day D2 is a looter shooter and people in this community need to accept it. You don't play an RPG and complain about the focus on story. You don't play a fighting game and complain that you have to punch and kick people. Why do people play this looter shooter and complain that it does looter shooter things? I've said this for years but people specifically in this community are never fucking happy and bitch about things for the sake of bitching.

[@martybarton2211]

Let this guy talk. Jesus. Long enough as it is.

[@thizzmonkey7846]

Destiny is still fun but ive know about the issues for years with live service games and I just don’t let it bother me anymore because I don’t have FOMO about any of it. I play whatever catches my attention from month to month and currently im playing ARK Ascended so whatever goes in destiny can happen without me. I don’t even own final shape or the two most recent episodes because I just don’t care enough.If I like a season I’ll buy it but otherwise I just play whatever is fun for me. And right now it’s not destiny. I’d rather run around in ark punching T. Rex’s in the face with my Tek suit.