Asmongold Reactions: "I was WRONG about CLASSIC! Here's Why" by Method Venruki

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[@Venruki]

Glad you all enjoyed the vid! :D

[@urpurpful]

Method Venruki I played on nos and when I finally completed the benediction quest it almost felt as though I beat the game, in my eyes anyways.

[@Sigxy]

Isn't it nice to have something that feels like an "Endgoal", having something you really want to aim for and then be happy with it? Sure, there were better weapons but but I think a lot of priests got it and they were satisfied with it. Nowadays you have to grind the same item over and over again until it's warforged/titanforged, has an extra stat (which must be the right one), have a socket...

[@FedeArgentina]

Does this fucker profit from other ppl vids?

[@Sblodex]

@@FedeArgentina Well he gives them exposure, and gives his own take on the vid

[@feawFefaeffa]

I really did, man. I have been in a "Gaming Depression" on account of BFA sucking ass. Classic has me excited again.. I can't wait to get to rep-farm in Felwood with my guild. So excited!

[@danielbates784]

5 years later: How Classic WoW saved the world by teaching people how to make friends again

[@tamask7749]

5 years later is when classic mist of Pandaria releases

[@sommerblume9671]

Not to be rude but... unless you’re socially inept or run into anti social people, you can still make friends. Don’t get me wrong, community hardly exists outside of guilds or role players - but you still CAN make friends and be social to a degree. No where near as classic ofc, but you can still try. I made several and even talked to strangers (but I was on role play servers so...)

[@farsalor2627]

@@sommerblume9671 That would require charisma and effort, which most WoW players lack.

[@blazed_sins9192]

Exactly. Classic forces you to group up with people to do everything. You'll meet tons of new people, and all you need to do is put a little bit of effort in and talk to them and you will make a new friends.

[@danielbates784]

@@sommerblume9671 Obviously you can make friends doing any activity in the world if you're good at making friends. I'd never say you can't make friends in live, but most people playing live have forgotten because they don't need to do so. It's more time efficient to find a better player using an automated system than it is to help the player in front of you. The systems in live don't require friends and during gaming time for a lot of people they're not sitting around thinking "How do I make friends" they're thinking "How do I beat this game?" What they don't realize is that the game is more fun if it requires those relationships. I think it's the same IRL: people make friends when they're grouped up for common goals(school, work, clubs, etc) but don't just go out and talk to random people if there's no reason.

[@unclephil4112]

Quests are quests, not EXP dispensers.

[@petarc8152]

Shut up carlton

[@petarc8152]

@The Scranton Strangler its carlton, look at the picture. He just used his dads name for clout

[@thatoneguyffs]

@@petarc8152 uncle Phil was young once as well.

[@whiskizyo2067]

heh its fitting describing them as EXP dispensers in live - because we are after all treated like rats on an exercise wheel, being occasionally rewarded with a pellet from a food dispenser

[@TruthTe11er]

Spot on.

[@mikeeberhardt9172]

I’ve played since vanilla..except I stopped in WOD, missed legion, and tried to get back into BFA for 2 months. During that 2 months I spoke 4 sentences to other people. I never needed anyone else for their profession. I only used portals to get around. There is no more WORLD of Warcraft. Watching the streams for the past couple days has taken me back to a time when this game reigned Supreme. It’s hard for me to comprehend that many people don’t know what it’s like to play WOW from back then considering my main toon is possibly older than some actual players. I was somewhat skeptical about how this would be received. About how it would be recreated. I can honestly say I’m more than excited for it to be released now. I can’t wait!! I only play horde though so I’ll be on the lookout hunting you down Asmond!!!

[@mattgenaro]

ResidentSleeper

[@mikeeberhardt9172]

greg roberts that is so true. I’ve tried to play others. Skyrim was ok. But virtually every game is just nothing compared to the experience of WoW. To spend 12 hours playing was easy. I would literally fall asleep face first in the keyboard and wake up with the keys stuck and imprinted in my face..haha. I’d go to the bathroom, grab a drink, smoke a joint, and continue playing 😂

[@jamescundiff3264]

@@gregroberts9150 LITERALLY I share the same feeling. I've never been able to enjoy any other game because of WOW. Couldnt get into skyrim or any other RPG. I've played since classic and quit when legion came out. Some of my best memories are from Classic. It's not all rainbows and unicorns but it was definitely a fun time. I'm 32 now and have a family. Definitely looking forward to classic. Everything this man is saying is 100% true in the video.

[@matthewarden-sonego5056]

loktar ogar! cant wait too, classic took over my life when i was a kid, cant wait to dive back in.

[@sommerblume9671]

James Cundiff I understand your point and views but why mention RPGS or Skyrim? They are meant to be single player and immersive in that way, not cooperative. Two completely different experiences that cannot be compared at all to MMOS because they serve different play styles and purposes...

[@AZWings]

The funny thing is that people that said this stuff as each patch watered down the game, they just got shouted down by the people that wanted convenience. Yeah, the grinding and RNG can be annoying, but it makes it satisfying. Mailing heirlooms to alts and blowing through content is just not good gameplay.

[@YEETlCUS]

Lol now you don't even have to mail heirlooms

[@keggerous]

being rewarded for your efforts is the greatest feeling in gaming. In my opinion at least. It's not about getting to the end, it's about enjoying the journey and feeling like you had a good fight getting where you are.

[@whatster8753]

Shit you can probably level naked now I did it back in wrath I leveled a naked ret pally only had a weapon till I got gear from quests because someone sold all my gear on the pally.

[@Samagachi]

@Mr WI find that confusing as well. There might as well not even be a dislike button.

[@LaraTombRaider27]

Leveling in Vanilla just literally makes you love your character even more than how it is with todays modern WoW. I really can't wait :)

[@Mictla155]

Yep, the amount of time you put into a character in classic actually feels good and you get attached to your character.

[@Paskaloth]

For sure, the amount of time you spend with that character, investing in leveling, profs, all the quests and reps, all of its great! I don't think I had an actual alt until WotLK lol can't wait for classic either!

[@Copenhagen1995]

Yeah, I play a private server, got a 57 rogue with a total time played of 12 days and like 5 hours or so. And it's all grinding lol

[@catclaws1847]

Have you played classic grinding the same mobs for 20 hours is not fun it has never been fun. Thers nothing to work for in classic it's not new anymore. Raids are on farm as soon as they released on nost

[@catclaws1847]

@@magshype have you played classic I played it for near 12 years. Raids literally killed nostalrius people didn't find it fun sense it was on farm when they released. The other half of the game is increasing blue rep bars like live. By killing 20000 of the same monster no less. Took me 10 years to notice I didn't like it. Don't get me wrong the post 60 quest to attune to raids is fun once you get into them it falls flat. The meta was to farm and it killed it for a lot of people hoping to relive that first moment.

[@unknownunknown9645]

This warlock that i randomly found Asmongold "We need to gank him" Lol 5:22

[@blerp6675]

People keep saying "oh dude no one is gonna play classic lulw paid actor lulw" but like... I've been playing 1.12 private servers for 2 years and legitimately loving it way more than legion let alone bfa. It has these genuine rpg elements that make your main feel like a real and meaningful investment of your time, rather than time being an annoyance between you and your next BiS upgrade.

[@penigan85]

It just shows that I have been correct for years. That the MMORPG genre needs to go niche again and focus more on the old school design philosophy of Everquest and Classic WoW. The current state of wow is leading into a black hole.

[@bigweeweehaver]

As long as their UI isn't god awful then I am down.

[@TheBuefurd]

As both a long time EQ and WoW player, I just don't think the two are even in the same category. Oldschool EQ was way harder than WoW ever was.

[@slavedemorto]

I think MMORPG's are perfectly fine with being casual on the grand scale of things, but the problem is that Activision Blizzard sees "casual" as "simple and with no effort". With no effort comes no investment, with no investment comes no interest and with no interest in a game people search for something else. Thus a ton of WoW players left for TESO and FF14 when BFA hype died out. I admit I loved BFA for the first month, because it was a new expansion and whatnot. But when the hype of a new expansion ended I noticed that it is stale, boring and artificially extended by the developers. Remember how additional races (humans and trolls) were a main selling point of BFA and they actually added them only a YEAR after the expansion release? Yep. BFA is polished, but it is also mind numbingly easy and boring. You rather A) try hard searching for mythic guild that turn your game into a work environment or B) do nothing of value, nothing rewarding and nothing that needs at least a bit of effort. For instance there is no effort what so ever to get into a M+ dungeon (5-10 min if you are dps/heal; 0-1 min if you're a tank), but after you are in M+ you are forced to be with a same people for 30-40 minutes, and you don't give a damn about these losers. All you do is prey that they are not braindead and can actually finish your low level key, that they know ingame/boss mechanics and whatnot. And if anything goes to shit you can't be bothered to teach your tank to press protection skills, dps to do actual rotation or heal to get their hands out of their ass; and you can't even leave the group. Not because it was hard to get all these people together or because it was hard to get into the dungeon, but because you are screwing yourself over by breaking your key and whatnot and getting it back to it's original level would take another hour. In classic you need 30 minutes to get into the dungeon to begin with (I only played in the private servers for a bit through the years). And after that much time investment you don't want to just dump the party at the first opportunity. I don't remember a single time when I wanted to talk to someone after an M+ except of me wanting to tell them that they need to learn how to play or something. While in vanilla 30 minute investment before the actual activity is such a big deal that you will probably at least talk to these said party members or make friends with them. Hell you might even remember them for the rest of your life. I remember playing some private vanilla server and that I teamed up with some hunter and we went on to do a hard quest together to kill some level 10 or whatnot monsters in a cave. And at the same time I will never recall a single person from an LFG raid group that I killed the world boss of epic proportions with or any members of the pug raids that got me one of my several curve achievements. It all boils down to the simple question: how can killing a bear in the cave be more memorable than killing an creature that threatens the whole world? Effort.

[@penigan85]

@@TheBuefurd You're 100% correct. Classic WoW was basically a dumb down version of Everquest. The only reason why I categorize them together is that at least Classic WoW had some RPG elements to make it an MMORPG.That's about right. Have you heard about Pantheon mmo? It's basically the real Everquest 3.

[@27Zangle]

Yes! OP is right and I've been saying to my friends for years. We loved leveling through vanilla together and now there are just 3-4 four of us that are active out of about 15 real life friends. I just reactivated my subscription to check everything out while having some fun this game is super easy. My kids (8 & 6) could play and master this game without me explaining anything. I walked right back into BG's and was top of the list with garbage gear and having not touched my main since September last year. The rotation was that easy.

[@Tankadinos]

Now we just have to bring back thottbot.com for the ultimate nostalgia recovery

[@ThunderingRoar]

wowhead did it in old school style

[@Vyomesh839]

Allakazam or however you spell it lol

[@odiw2509]

my first wow experience, I used to play on my laptop which was so shit I had to logout everytime I minimized the game to read thotbot or it would crash and then log back in, man it was fucking legendary and also forced me to do as much as I could reading clues in game. I still distinctly remember every part of ashenvale because it was so god damned hardcore

[@Sigxy]

If you go to Wowhead and go to "Classic", you can find the option for "Thottbot Theme".

[@MrSofuskroghlarsen]

Patrolling?

[@ASIRA89]

And finally, Blizzard/Activision cant continue to look away. People can finally compare old WoW and current WoW. No more "you just remember it beeing more fun.". I pray to Elune that the company will see these reactions and act based on them, to not only continue with WoW Classic, but to also bring current WoW back on track. Maybe there is a middle-way between "Immersive RPG with lots of socializing" and "pretty world with progressing story".

[@BBlueu2]

I hope so too. Even though I love classic, I still love the updated graphics, more fleshed out class specs, and the size of the current game. Other than that though, I like Classic in nearly every other way. Retail Servers that removed flying mounts, dungeon finder, and other ease of access features, would be a nice place to start.

[@27Zangle]

Bring back talent calculators and other fun things.

[@MindaugasSnegirevas]

They must find a way to monetize it.

[@starfreek101]

@Mr W back in the day the hord/alliance pride was huge. I remember seeing lots of people wearing merch and even getting their factions symbol tattooed on them.

[@dhaub7174]

Vanilla WoW: *teleports behind BFA..

[@SensuMVP]

NANI?!

[@MrSalehovich]

OMAIWA MO SHINDAIRO...!

[@nathejustice5297]

Teleports back to BFA

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

Obi wan kenobi: oh hello there.

[@Ky-vv8nj]

*starts sucking off BFA "oh yeah baby" My dog: CALL COPS

[@whipdan674]

This is gaming history in the making! From 2004 to 2019 back to 2004 again! I bet the developers at Blizzard are really hitting their heads hard on this one. And not only them, probably also other studios that tried to replicate the WOW success. It doesn't matter if you do not intend to play Classic because of whatever reason you might have, if you are smart you have to see the bigger picture. No other game was able to do what WOW did back in the day, not even Blizzard is able to replicate the same results with the game expansions. Now this same iteration of that game has the possibility to replicate that same success from 15 years ago, not only to that older generation but also to a new generation of gamers that never got to play it. If this "new" WOW beats the previous game success I'm calling it the biggest thing to happen in gaming ever! I for sure will be there from day one until the end of WOTLK.

[@Degenerecy]

13:24 Describes Vanilla in a Nutshell.

[@Evaese]

when ya homie waves back at you :)

[@AlexeiVoronin]

When you have to read the quest text :P

[@jeffdrago8782]

We really owe the Streamers on this one. Stress Test #1 was Sunday, not Wednesday.. and I bet you blizzard might open them gates a little more on Monday.

[@kimlarsson3669]

Depends, if its your first time.. Then you want the experience. but then you dont wanna do the same repetative bs over and over imo. hard cookie to break

[@WarriorExo]

I've always wished I played a Warlock back in Vanilla. I was a Warrior Only player and the fact that I can go back and experience OG Classes actually makes me emotional.

[@R1po]

i remember some of these quests 15 years later. And how some zones were branded into my brain. Stranglethorn, Winderspring (first time i saw snow, and that at level 50? can't remember)

[@tdmc6428]

I am quite the social and friendly player since I’ve spent so much time leveling and as someone who has done a tonne of leveling over the years I remember the difference between then and now. Nowadays I can get friendly groups in dungeons but it’s hit and miss and the stupid speed of leveling tends to mean you never see them again once one of you goes offline but back then you made a friend and then they were a friend for a while, some people I was still friends with years later. Second was the involvement. Nowadays gaining a level is “meh ok” In the early ones and “thank god that this hell is one step closer to being over”, but back then every level was filled with pure excitement and happiness, even the ones where I got it from purely grinding mobs, I never felt any burnout and hitting the different milestones of 10 to start getting talent points, 40 for a mount or even most levels when you got a cool new one or an upgraded version because you could FEEL the effects of that level, rather than going “ah thanks for letting me kills these mobs that I already kill in 1 second in 0.5 seconds now, I know in the next one it’ll just be back to 1 second again so that the one after will be 0.5 seconds again”. Furthermore the sheer amount of joy getting a much stronger piece of gear you experienced, or when you got your first shoulders or helmet, which is compared to now where it’s completely and utterly forgettable. Sure vanilla had its flaws, but the good parts were worth the trouble, now there’s no real social aspect to cover the other major flaws of retail. I’m TDMC and this was my TED talk

[@TheSmelzy88]

can't wait to play this - the community aspect was such a great aspect of vanilla/classic wow.

[@jiladoper2]

Wow vanilla or Classic wow ( 2005 world of wacraft ) is the BEST game EVER created and it brings me so much nostalgia i feel like ill need to play this again

[@OsirisNO]

I find it amazing that it took this long for classic to be a thing. Even internally, I would think as a dev you wanna keep playing older versions of your game to see what has changed and if new changes were better or worse in retrospect. It seems blizzard just went blank slate every expansion.

[@loreaver3882]

Let’s be honest, this doesn’t make sense from a business standpoint

[@yomanyo327]

@@loreaver3882 well, not really, it's a video game, not a hammer, there are far too many moving pieces to guarantee linear improvement.

[@anthonyrymer4391]

*cough* Activision!

[@OsirisNO]

@@loreaver3882 That's not true at all. Evaluating and reflecting on what you have done in the past is an extremely valuable asset to any company. The whole "you think you do but you dont" could have been avoided if they had internally kept playing multiple versions of a game.

[@TheMeatman1]

@@OsirisNO the reason its a bad business move mate, and why they were so reluctant to do it, is because they have to admit they messed up. some where along the line they lost the game, when they cant keep this game going and every 1 just wants to play classic, it means less money for them.

[@ahawkone8850]

This is what I remember too. I remember it most strongly in base Vanilla. In tBC I had a guild and would party with them, but things were still hard. If you found a good ass player who wasn't in your guild, you friended their ass because (just like today) the world is full of dumbfucks that can't tell up from down, so having a curated list of good/chill people to potentially pull from was a huge part of forming groups. I remember getting excited as hell on my warlock whenever I got a buff from a random other player, and I remember purposely going out of my way on my druid to buff other players I saw out questing and getting emotes and thank yous and mage water. It was a game that required you to actually play with other people, rather than play alongside other people.

[@KyleBJobey]

I don't understand how Blizzard can see the overwhelmingly positive reaction of this, and not change their tactic in live. What an amazing game it could be. The storytelling and complexity (or potential) is so good in live... Yet something 15 years old is tons better. Christ..

[@Doofens]

you play an mmo for storytelling?

[@KyleBJobey]

@@Doofens I definitely wouldn't have played wow as long as I did, if the story was balls. So yeah, absolutely. But my point is, there is so many things blizzard do better now than in vanilla, it's a shame that the gameplay and philosophy is so different now

[@Najemniczkas]

What I prefered about old talents and no specs is that... Back in the day, your abilities weren't limitied to the chosen spec. And that was really awesome. The only spec spells you wouldn't be able to get were the talent tree ones. And I personally loved that in TBC and WOTLK (never played Vanilla, but might try when it comes out)

[@Oscar-bj9ut]

Maybe I'll have to finally give wow a try when this comes out. How can I tell if I have beta access? Or do only people with subscriptions get to get a pass? Also, when does it come out officially?

[@clearasil11]

I never even got into a raid playing vanilla because I was much younger and such a pleb, but I do remember doing Stromgarde and BRD, killing Arikara, King Bangalash, Scarlet Monastery as an Alliance character, "Oh shit it's a Devilsaur", hitting level 60 in Eastern Plaguelands, the remoteness and mystery of Azshara and Winterspring... Cool game, also learned to speak English quite well doing it!

[@tess9099]

I was Alliance way back when and we use to get in PVP battles with a couple of horde on our server. We actually got on "Teamspeak" with them while in BC and had a lot of fun talking with each other. (for the record, they were high ranking PVP'ers and they beat us about 99% if the time, but it was still fun). Years later ran into one on the horde side and asked if they remembered my Alliance toon and it was like old home week.. I was never a big PVP'er, but would go with the guild I was part of and we had fun. I miss the community....

[@Jujulam1]

The fact that a quest is an actual quest that forces you to make choices and explore and not only a way to get xp is a feeling i got by playing eso too

[@JPrescottQ]

One thing that I had been worrying about with Classic is how player knowledge would impact the experience. Part of what made Vanilla WoW so good was how clueless most of us were. I was kind of worried that increased player knowledge of the meta would tear away at a bit of that magic, but to my surprise it has actually been the opposite. Finding people to play with is even easier than I remember because people now know the inherent advantages of teaming up to level. In dungeons food, potions, and healthstones are constantly being exchanged. I never remembered this many consumables being handed in the lower dungeons. Increased player knowledge has actually IMPROVED player interactions. Hope that continues at endgame as well.

[@grafinsch2494]

As someone who started in Wrath and grew an attachment to WoW and its characters (mainly the lich king), picking up warcraft 3 (and later wc2), I'm so excited to try out Classic.

[@Sujichan]

Fond memories. Everything he said I've been saying for years. I can adapt to any xpac, but the way people were back then, the interactions and laughs... builds were family. Even running back to a city to broadcast you needed a tank or healer for a dungeon while everyone else waited at the stone... that wasn't such a big hassle. Paying attention to surroundings.... you couldn't just run through an area without a train of things trying to kill you and finally dismounting you. You would battle valiantly, using up all spells, potions, bandages... and then would die. But you'd laugh at it later. It wasn't just fly in, kill and get out. It was run around, looking for your target, fighting until it showed up only to see it was too high a level to go at alone. People would whisper, "wanna group up?" And that one kill would lead to hours chatting and questing together and making friends. I've missed those days. Even the running out of arrows near the end of a dungeon! Hunters needing mana drinks! ❤

[@Telindra]

I can't wait to play Classic! Then finally my involuntary WoW abstinence can end.

[@fapnawb]

I played WoW from 2004 to 2008 and I'm still in touch with a lot of the friends I made back then just questing in the world.

[@thizlam4810]

Played the beta and have already spoken more to people and grouped up with more people than I ever have in retail WoW. Just shooting the shit while trying to get darkhound blood or scarlet insignia rings and leveling up. It’s honestly fun to me having to read and find the quest objectives on my own, I’m having a blast with classic.

[@XoldnewsX]

I have never played WoW in my life but I am enjoying following this whole classic release. As a Runescape player I know what it's like to watch the game you love and have played for years get ruined in front of your eyes. I thought my times with the game I had played for 10 years were finally over, then Oldschool RS was released. I am happy for all the WoW players because I remember how happy I was to be able to play the real version of the game I love :)

[@starfreek101]

I haven't played RS in years but i heard that the reboot of the original game actually outpreformed the "new" version.

[@samnewman1570]

Wait...so you are telling me WoW is actually a MMORPG again? :)

[@Brecken24]

I’m gonna be new to WoW classic in general. Never played WoW so I can’t wait till feel the experience everyone else is feeling. I am ready to learn. I am not worried about being far behind just ready to grind with some people and have fun!

[@zycane]

God dang it, i played the closed beta in vanilla, and I got the goosebumps and itching. severe case of addiction rising again, oh man, oh god, oh man, oh god, oh man, oh god, oh god, oh man.

[@lscottyl]

does wow classic have things like capture the flag PvP? YEARS ago I played it as a level 49 Twink hunter and would love to redo that.

[@itsnotmereally1]

This is why it was so difficult for me to leave WOW even after playing 12 years. I played my warrior and my mage FROM vanilla. I have been gone for over a year and for the first time I am feeling tempted to go back and play again... in Vanilla.

[@Klejuu2006]

I was opposed to classic wow, I was saying that everyone will hate it for what is was and how game has changed for over 15 years, but when I saw swifty playing classic wow I just started crying, music, killing mobs, character saying to you every 5 seconds that you’re out of mana, talking to ppl... That nostalgia makes me play this game even if I have only have hour a day to do so, I will do it. Im fucking coming back to the game and its gonna be one of the best feeling in my life. See u there boys 💪

[@damonblack1495]

So how is this classic thing going to work in terms of subscription? Do you have to have a regular wow sub to play or are they going to have a secondary discounted subscription (since this isn't getting updates like a live server n whatnot)? Depending on how and how much money they plan to extrapolate from me will be the deciding factor.

[@ashmit8268]

It's the same sub. If you are subbed to WoW, you have full access to both live & classic.

[@damonblack1495]

@@ashmit8268 I see. Thanks.

[@XAn0nymousX0]

I can't wait to get back into it and see hunters rolling need on EVERYTHING

[@galssofmilk]

so are they gonna re-release the xpacs as well? xD without group/dungeon finder now?

[@reaverfang377]

Now I mostly keep to private RP servers but I've been paying attention to what You've been saying and I have to agree, classic wow most certainly touches on vital psychological areas needed for enjoyment and I can understand why people used to get so addicted to the game. What I would like to see is, Classic influencing the next expansion. Course it's to late to bring in the heavy hardcore mechanics so suddenly but I think a steady progression back to a modern version of this would do nicely. I think it will improve the writing of the story to, because imagine right.. a WOW expansion with BFA style quality of cinematics, the old vintage story telling of wow and great graphics and mechanics? I see a lot of profit potential for the players, and share holders in this regard.

[@hexicantony8901]

I know its a month old video but the hype gives me goosebumps. I didnt get beta so just like 1000s like me, joined a private server. And the fucking experience is amazing. I cant wait to put my wow sub to use lol

[@Wolta]

Most I ever say or get to say in LFR and LFG is "hey" or "hi" like a formality, but that's about it. Sit in Orgrimmar pressing LFG and watching netflix till 120.

[@alexnfs]

I love how everybody is having a blast playing the Beta - it's gonna be glorious ;)

[@elspoko]

Questing taught you your kit. Knowing that, you played better in a group. Playing better in a group helped you play better in a raid.

[@StonedWeasel]

I stopped playing because of exactly what was said about player interaction. Looks like theres hope

[@Clouder77]

If blizz brings back the old talent trees they should do something like CP points that ESO does that way the talent tree doesn't grow too big.

[@MIngalls]

The old talents might have been a nice set up but you couldnt switch it based on what your doing. The fact that you can swap out moves now for PVP or PVE is awesome and they'd complain if that went away

[@runinunderpants9944]

WHen I started to play WoW it was about mid of TBC, I got in party with lock too, and we grouped up with him more and more, and I was playing with him for next 2 years after that :P it was fun as fck, until he quit

[@darrelljeffery2128]

I like the old wow cause it felt more immersive like ammo you need for your bows and guns

[@mikeeberhardt9172]

Keys, mining picks, soul shards, enchanting rods...man..I can’t wait! Edit: o know that it’s dumb and I don’t need it, but it took me so long to gather the mats for my enchanting rod that I still carry it on my main enchanter. The only enchants I’m missing through Cat are the ones from BC altar of shadows (or something like that). I miss being the top enchanter on my server. I’m doing alch this go around 😁

[@fersan92]

I remember leveling up a hunter and switching to a different type of ammo that dealt more damage was amazing and extra reward for being higher level.

[@shabanotti]

Over the years I really grew to like Asmongold a lot. What a nice guy. He really has a passion for gaming, but also seems like a very intelligent and nice guy. Can't wait for Classic \o/

[@Dantaroen]

damn looking forward to trying classic again.

[@MetalheadMikeKris]

Best time playing WoW was during classic with my school friends. I got to rank 11 in pvp playing BGs till late in at night hoping to gain ranks the next week. I remember having to work towards getting weapons like "the icebarb spear" and then "the unstoppable force". Also working towards getting my epic paladin mount quest done by grinding in tyr's hand. I will be honest though that it was not always so great as some specs just were not viable in raids. Never used to get invited to raids because ret paladins were made to be the joke. The days of Lolret and retardin forever stay in my mind. Paladins had to be healers wearing cloth armor because of bad itemization.

[@drems1276]

someone should stream a "making 50 friends" speedrun when classic comes out

[@nex2880]

Actually good idea, might gonna do it cuz it sounds hella funny

[@rasmachris94]

The truth is that Blizzard have been chasing excitement in their quest to increase their bottom line and the consequences of that is that gear has become oversaturated Gear didn't matter because you could just get another much better weapon five seconds later. Higher rarity = higher value, that's how things have and always WILL work within an economy, even a fake economy within a video game. To make it more valuable they added random chance to make you more likely to reroll another piece of gear in a quest to get the 'best' gear with slots. But because of the lack of rarity of items it became a game of waiting til late game to get that gear, rushing content to get there and farming azerite and praying to RnGesus that you don't get absolute shite stats.

[@rasmachris94]

@Mr W couldnt a gree more, even i found that whiolst questing in retail I never looked at the quest dialogue and had to force myself to read it because it was way easier and faster to just go to point A and kill thing, hand back in. I played on a private server with a mate and we were reading quests, teaming up to take on elite mobs all around having a good time.

[@dahymster5666]

I remember levelling and loving it. I gave up near the end of Wotlk as I had had enough of the repetitive rerun of raids for a few pieces of gear to drop. The achievement of the raids is completing them, not completing them for the 30th time. In many ways endgame focus is the exact opposite what everyone is talking about at the moment as being the joy of the game. The streamers are talking about the social element, exploring, the quests being substantial goals giving rewards that matter. Dont get me wrong, raids are fun, but they need to be damn hard so they are an achievement in themself. But yet the streamers are already talking about optimal levelling routes, the rush to 60 and endgame. Its a catch 22, you rush to max level on a preplanned route you are missing the experience of joyously exploring and discovering. The real question is how to maintain the joy these guys are getting at the moment over the long term

[@LucidOne8]

lets go boys!!! a return to form after so long

[@sholack2207]

In my view one of the small things that they changed the started the downfall was how easy they made lvling like why do quests when get more so from mining and herbing grinding in mmo is what they are about

[@Joek9100]

The fact that people dont remember or believe in interacting with people in the world makes me so sad. I made tons of friends and met up with people countless times through my journey to max level. (I started in TBC but interaction was still there)

[@nephilim1711]

When wow first came out, I let my 6 year old play for the summer. I had to laugh when her teacher was surprised by how much her reading and comprehension skill had improved. She has already made plans to play with the rest of the family when Classic comes back!

[@armorers_wrench]

Yeah it's definitely harder to level. On live in BFA I was able to level from 60-80 in two zones in North Rend and I didn't even finish all the quests in either zone. I finished 80-90 and 90-100 in one zone each. Yes that's with full heirlooms but still, it was nowhere near this fast in legion or draenor. Obviously I'm glad it's fast but I just thought I would share this.

[@VengeanceCore]

My problem i beleave is going to be the friend making part :( Im 33 now, back when i was like 14 to 19 i use to create community's like massive CS clans, i even ran my own league for a while, and even did some radio station stuff on mIRC it was a bit like twich but only with audio. These days i dont see anyway to do anything like that other than something with discord witch i tried and failed to even get 20 people to join it. And now everything's all built into everything. play CSGO you just go to matchmaking(Competitive) and it gives you 4 friends to play with for 40 mins or so then u never talk to them again, same with WOW, LEL, DOTA, every thing. its sad. the only people i talk to online now are the people i talk to IRL. And its been so long since i needed to make friends online i dont even think i know how to anymore, I carnt be at my PC 24/7 im online from 7pm till 12pm every night other than weekends but even in them times i have to afk for 10 mins every now and again. i dont think i could even get 5 people together to run a normal instance. Thats what puts me off classic, sorry for the grammar and spelling mistakes,

[@Thats_Unfortunate]

You’ll be fine. People will talk to you

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

this just proves that classic really is great, many bfa players doubted but ven is a good example of "dont judge before you try it".

[@Bullman8]

Wait till they get to 40+ you'll go mad questing boring

[@shanebrodeur1324]

I’m ready to try classic I started with bfa but I stopped playing months ago because it’s so boring

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

@@Bullman8 i have leveled to 60 5 times in total over the years, i know what it is and what it isnt, if its boring to you then you are either doing it wrong or you just arent the target audience for this.

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

5:40 wtf? what island is there?

[@Nitsujcm2600]

"You think... 'you think you do, but you don't', but you do."

[@RazaFF11]

Modern MMOs are so watered down and main streamed that they don't engage players much at all I'm so happy to see Classic WoW back!

[@chypres89]

''i was WRONG about CLASSIC! Here's Why'' Big True!

[@jamesclews233]

I heard you like spell power...tough - classic

[@ashisalone]

Sounds like what they wanted from the beginning i was getting Old School RuneScape all along.

[@zananabanana]

Only issue i have is with the talents... if it is that huge you wont have the advantage because everyone will pick the same meta talents

[@114Proto]

What if classic wow is just the start of wow2 in an alternate dimension.

[@robbytherob]

I’m skeptical about this because I consider myself a hardcore player who enjoys min/maxing and diving into the wikis to learn more, but I’m also big on end game. The grind to reach 60 and then find the optimal gear to raid just seems too daunting. On top of that I want to create a tank, ranged dps, healer, caster, and melee dps. How many hours do I have to sink in just to create a character that is raid ready?

[@clklipfel]

Well let's stay realistic and say you will need approx 8 days /played for your first 60. Then you'll need to pre BiS and depending on your class and role in your guild farm a little for resist. You can also start to raid as soon as you reach 60 and your guild has 40 peeps capable of It. So It won't take that long to be able to raid, I would say 15-20h/week will permit you to raid until AQ, there you'll need a bit more hours. BUt if you also want to rank in PvP and do a lot of alts you'll need a lot more.

[@robbytherob]

Clément Klipfel thanks for the reply. 8 days does not seem like too much. I’m a little skeptical on those numbers because the beta has been out for almost a week now and some streamers who literally play all day still haven’t hit 30 yet. Are there certain things omitted from the beta that can help accelerate leveling?

[@clklipfel]

@@robbytherob On live 8-12d /played around 1.7 was something common, if you focused on xp. A speedrunner could make It less than 6 days. By 1.12 some made It less than 5 days on a new server. So imo if you focus on xp and you know the game 8-12 days does not seem unrealistic. Pservers players made It even faster. It is also dependant on your class, hunter/warlock can easily speedlevel while warrior gonna be longer. Regarding actual beta players I only watched the famous streamers and Method players and they aren't very good at Classic so doesn't surprise me they are taking so long, plus they are also doing PvP, farming dungeon, ... I guarantee that all first 60 will come from pservers players

[@themarathongamer7635]

Loving these vids, Zack. Keep'em comin'! I'm jonesing to get into the beta and join the fun.

[@Bionicleguy98]

absolutely massive hype train for wow classic. take me back to my childhood, man im so excited

[@Lukengoodz]

Anyone who wants things given to them instantly with no work towards them shouldn't be playing MMORPG's in my opinion. Classic is amazing in every way and i personally can't wait. Its been to long.

[@jeff-xo6cp]

Have had the beta for 2 days. My brother and I got beta access at the same time.. we are questing In westfall like we did in 2004. So crazy

[@d4rkh4l34]

people just thought its nostalgic but we as humans didnt change that much, just the gaming industry did. we still crave the feeling of rewardness and desire. rarity is what we long for, actually working without knowing by 1 dungeon finder you can see the endgame content. actually just having green items instead of full purple for free. actually dying when leveling lol. i recommend everyone to play on pvp servers. that feeling when a good looking other faction guy comes up to you and just 3 shots you it makes you long for revenge, it makes you long for more power, this desire, thats what WoW was and can become again. and then once u are stronger you might go back and take revenge on that orc that killed you fucking 15 days ago or his friends or his guild mates. its subverses, you drown into the world of WoW thats how everyone got so hard addicted. its not nostalgia this is actual mmorpg

[@BreakfastAtNoon]

Best thing they could do is have a large world event.. like a "cataclysm" and use that as the basis to create a World of Warcraft 2 and get rid of everything that fucked the game over.

[@olafbeblo629]

Classic wow omg. My cousin got 2 copies for us from USA when EU wasn't even a thing yet. Loads of memories, learned English with wow as I had to translate all words to finish a quest or understand spells, right now I live in UK and work in GOV. All that because of wow, my mum told me if she knew how much I will benefit from that game she wouldn't be that pissed off when she had to drag me off computer. True story my bros

[@thesourceprototype]

making cloth armor and bags bring me your cloth haha

[@thorrage6674]

In my memory the decline of WoW started with the first AddOn the DPSMeter... . This was the first step to ruin a real community. When people started not to take others with them anymore because a dwindling share of DPS was missing. So the separation of the players began ... and thus began the start of different "society classes" in WoW... which first caused the then less chance to get Equip... which then demanded the call for faster group search etc., etc., etc.. The success of the game in the repetition? Yes, I would love to. The repetitive cancer of every "culture" as soon as the greed for power begins? No, thank you

[@siegpasta]

Hes not asmongold anymore, he's Happymongold here

[@whimsicalcellbooster]

Vanilla was the real WoW. Enjoyed playing Vanilla Beta and Vanilla so much. So happy it’s kind of back 😍

[@Synday]

true about the friend finding, it's cringe, but i found really good friends in old diablo 2 and s4 League, found a relationship i was in for over a year in wow tbc (not even just distant relationship, we met up, kept in touch, spent summer together) and it was social and so much fun. the way games are today (mobas and battle royales) don't really allow any of that. go in get out never see you again. it's sad how online games and companies want to keep you away from conversation or banter by just secluding us. games back then were way more "toxic" and people flamed all the time, but we also formed groups, clans and had so much fucking fun socializing and enjoying all of those adventures.

[@FoxCDN]

The social aspect of classic MMO's is what made them special to me. :)

[@golvellius6855]

15 years later " Ya I played this game 30 years ago and still is good"

[@sakmadeek4118]

i was only level 53 when BC goes live...

[@27Zangle]

Honestly every expansion has been fun in some way - except for BFA. Classic is best and had around 300 days played by the time BC was released. With that said, I think it would be fun to release every expansion every two years with a new one. At least a server or two for each. I loved BC and Wrath was pretty good too.

[@kelshadowmourne9466]

well, tyrisfall its for me, the best zone to lvl and do quests, ambient its dark as fuck, and a lot of quest are beautifull made, you feel a little evil doing it, and thats good, i dont like to be a hero actually i like to be a neutral guy who people come to ask things, like "can you help us with this" not the guy known by all, cuz thats a little "mary sue" and i like my caracter like any normal hero, not good, but not bad, a little of those two things make it a better experience

[@patricks.1356]

The only thing i miss in classic is dual spec. As pvp and Pve player it can be very annoying. Or u have to play hunter. ;P

[@blacklotus561]

I just wanna be some random person in the world of warcraft, not the saviour of the world and galaxy destroyer.

[@chewwa1700]

Classic is plain and simple a fantastic game and that’s why it was so popular and will be again. People saying it’s just nostalgia or it’s just in their heads, I urge you to try classic and have your mind blown and be grateful people like us stood up to Blizzard for so long and begged for so long to have this experience back.

[@gsadmtp]

I wanna say smthg, I know ppl say BFA is toxic, but, I actually talk to ppl in wild, to group or to do role play, and most of them answer me, most of them group me if I'm cool with them etc.

[@kuhnandreas5694]

Even though there are things modern WoW does way better (art design, raid/dungeon design) it can't outweigh the negatives that come from core features of the game: Cross realms, heirlooms, scaling, loot systems, titanforging, character boosts, questing system etc.. Leveling up your character was the main part of the game and having a max level character was an actual achievement that you worked towards. Let's be honest raid encounters in vanilla are literall dogshit compared to modern raids, but what made raids still awesome is the gameplay that surrounded them. Gearing up for them, getting people FROM YOUR SERVER together to join your raid, getting buffs/mats together, having your BiS gear that you can work towards, raids didn't become useless due to catch up mechanics. I'm just hoping classic wow will finally opens the eyes for blizzard developers.

[@CRuduxypegg]

@Honudes Gai You can thank them caving in to people with more characters than classes in the game.

[@slzslz]

Wow died when flying mounts was introduced. Everyone flew everywhere and stopped talking to eachother. When the servers were all merged together in big cloud groups was when it totally died.

[@thickdynamic4669]

I worry about Classic. I'm excited, don't get me wrong, and it'll be fun for a long time. They'll release all the content in stages I think, releasing the raids and suck slowly over a course of time. But then what happens when Zul'gurub is out? Eventually everyone is gonna do all they want, hardcore players will gear to the max, casual players will do all the content. Eventually there's going to be nothing to do, because Classic was already released. and they moved on to a different expansion to keep things fresh; that's how they always do it. But they can't do that in this case. Unless they do make BC or WotLK servers, which will eventually just have the same problem. But maybe bu then Blizz will learn, and people will come back to retail when it's better. Who knows.

[@lukyl100]

exactly, no matter how good it may be there is a definitive end to the game that doesn't exist in retail because expansions. Going to TBC would be a huge mistake imo though, if it is proven to be successful and have a high player retention for the next 2 years, there needs to be a new story and brand new expansions for classic, if it follows in the steps of previous expacs it will only lead to the same mistakes. It needs to be treated as a fresh start after Naxx, keep the difficulty, listen to the community and act accordingly.

[@dobattlers]

lukyl100 just create an alternate timeline saying going back in time did something and create new content thats actually hard

[@bamboodog6771]

who cares just have fun while it lasts ❤

[@JJ-oi8bm]

for how long does the classic have to last? its bad because it ends at some point? :D