Asmongold Reacts to "Wrath of the Lich King... 10 Years Later" by Bellular

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

I wish they returned to TBC raid progression. No raid was obsolete for the entirety of the expansion... the only exception was KZ later in BC but people did it anyway because it was good.

[@rumham7631]

I feel like that's the biggest issue with WOW now is that the instant that new content comes out, all previous content becomes irrelevant. Back in Vanilla people still cleared MC(or at least half of it) for Thunderfury Bindings, people still cleared BWL for Rejuv Gems/DFT etc.. nowadays as soon as a new tier comes out the only reason to even consider stepping foot in old content is for achieves or the mounts/xmogs.. They need to find a way to keep at least 1 previous tier somewhat relevant, but they don't bother anymore because they can just make u run the current tier 27 times per week in hopes that u get a titanforged roll

[@rumham7631]

before people start with the reeeeeeeeeee.. 27 was an exaggeration, I'm just referring to mythic raiders having to pretty much do every difficulty every week because of the possibility of titanforges. So not only do previous raids become irrelevant, but now you have to do ONE RAID several times per week, and that's if you play 1 character only....

[@Loomx5]

Legion did kinda manage this though. Sure it wasn't specifically required to do old tiers for gear or to unlock the next tier, but artifact power actually having good drop rates from old content, tier sets having powerful bonuses well past their tier, artifact appearance drops from bosses, useful profession unlocks, genuinely good cosmetic gear each tier (plus the bonus mini-tier from ToV) , the balance of power questline and (controversially) Legendary drop changes from old bosses and increasing your BLP for legendary drops. NH and EN and ToS were still all being run even up until the end of Legion, and yeah this did lead to burnout for a lot of people but it was also fuckin real good at allowing everyone to properly experience content and keeping it relevant for the whole 2 year cycle. Bet you no one steps in Uldir for years after January, at least till it can be soloed and even then barely due to how fuckin piss poor most of the sets are.

[@user10247]

I was just thinking this a couple of weeks ago.

[@stannievg]

lamebubblesflysohigh kz still had some bis items in the pocket watch from moroes and the totem from maiden for resto shaman

[@thinhvo3893]

"Illidan was trying to become the lich king too" *FACEPALM*

[@Relbl]

The idea that you would have had to sacrifice a character to make a DK would have been absolutely brilliant! So many possibilities there...

[@brettyacyshen9352]

Illidan did NOT want to become the Lich King, he was tasked by Kil'jaeden to go and kill Arthas because the original ruler of the Scourge (Ner'zhul, who's soul is bound to Frostmourne, the Helm of Dominion and the rest of the armor) had rebelled against the Legion after he started to gain more power and thus decided to make the Scourge independent of the Legion to claim Azeroth for his own. Kil'jaeden wanted Arthas dead so that he could regain control over the Scourge to continue there war on Azeroth, Illidan ultimately failed in his fight though against Arthas and retreated back to the portal to Outland where he was met with Kil'jaeden's disappointment and threatened him to not mess up again otherwise he would be met with eternal torture.

[@emllik2155]

I read this comment in red shirt guy's voice lmao

[@Halicos93]

@@emllik2155 Haha me aswel cause imagine red shirt guy correcting asmon.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

well maybe he would have tried to become lich king after defeating arthas in icecrown wouldnt be surprising since he did something like that before when he absorbed the skull of guldan in felwood no idea how he would fit the helm on his head without cutting off his horns tho lol

[@gravestomper4359]

chill out fat boy

[@hichtwo]

He was trolling

[@ctx4241]

I would say that Lich King is the most iconic boss in game. That + Ulduar...wow.

[@stephenevjen3786]

I remember during the zombie event for the pre-launch I figured out the weapon swap exploit by accident. (If you could dual-wield and got turned into a zombie, you could swap your main hand and off hand to immediately return to full health). It was funny seeing 10 max level players hammering on me as I continually weapon swapped in Crossroads. Back when I had people to play with, anyway.

[@aleksander300]

wrath was no the begining of the end. it was the pinnacle of popularity and one misstep was the only thing to topple the tower. queue the cata, destroying the world in more ways than one. and it was around the same time as the activision merge so there is that.

[@anthippo91]

I haven’t really played wow much since the wrath days but if it released tomorrow I would buy it and play it even tho it’s 10 years old

[@xDamage69]

i mean dude, the wrath servers are fucking packed they have a ton of population for private servers

[@polterghost_]

I think that main reason why people stopped playing during Cata was that Blizz got rid off all villains that we knew from WC3

[@vevisel]

I never really thought about that until you brought it up... I think that might have been a major factor in me quitting Cata, because I just didnt have any feelings towards the villains. They also ruined the world I loved, changed dungeons into weird kiddie style bad VA telltail series dungeons. They also changed Ret Pally which I hated. I liked facerolling people with t10 2 piece 40% chance to proc Divine Storm.

[@FantasyPiano317]

Ive never played WC3 before WoW and I lost the fun too in Cataclysm. So your thought doesn’t fit with reality. Atleast for me.

[@Tijuanabill]

I like how Asmongold leaves in all the ads and product pimping in videos he watches. It's the least a guy can do, if he is just straight up ganking your content. What a gentleman.

[@obxtarheel9191]

2:07 ..that music mmmmmmmmmmmm

[@CinnamonSandman]

I’m 20 now, I wish I could go back a decade and make the most out of the wow time I had back then

[@vladdracul2379]

1:40 Just a priceless comment. I love it.

[@Buggabones]

Ill never forget the pre patch to wrath when warriors got bladestorm and could literally kill an entire team if they stacked with 1 button. Fun times

[@lavabeard5939]

phasing was not introduced in wotlk. it was introduced in tbc. I still remember some areas in hellfire that would phase depending on what part of a quest chain you were on. I complained about it a ton because it ruined object permanence which was the first step in destroying a vibrant server community.

[@edumont88]

I believe you could also get infected and it would allow you to talk to the opposite faction and understand eachother

[@petterituovinem8412]

only minus in WOTLK was the fucking drakuru quest where you had to control abomination and rush it to group of trolls and make it explode, FUCK THAT QUEST

[@Archy112]

"Asmongold: Great idea Jeff, what happened?" "Jeff: Activision happened"

[@morbid1.]

pre event before WotLK was one of the most fun things in WoW... suddenly things mattered had an impact... now whatever, nothing matters, everything will be a status quo.

[@MrBellyar]

10:06 dude don't get embarrassed. I remember soloing 2-4 people and i had no skill at all. Blood DK was OP as fuck. Before they made blood the tanking spec it was so OP i remember dueling a full 25 Nax paladin with my blue gear and he just couldn't kill me. My hp bar went up as if i had a healer.

[@Dim3s]

I leveled in howling fjord at the east most mines on my ret paladin. It was heavily contested with alliance to horde ratio at about 1:1 and I never had a more fun time playing world of warcraft.

[@Maradnus]

I like many restodruids stoped just after levelling up in cata.. and played only a little in mop like a couple of months.

[@heyfindmenoob]

6:26 cyedon in chat, you're a lunatic for actually liking that horrible zone lol edit: back in legion i was doing world quests with one the highest dps raider /best pvper in our guild in high mountain when we stumbled across a DK, i think he had bone shield on or something and at max stacks he somehow had 100% damage reduction and it always stayed at max ( idk if this is how its always been or not )... he kept killing us so finally i logged into my alliance character and asked if he could stay still while i call the rest of my guild that was willing to come over to try and kill him, he said " sure lol " 9 other guildies ( 11 people in total ) couldn't kill this one dk cause of that shit bone shield... was the most broken thing id ever seen in the game

[@Dinco422]

I played on blizzard's servers from start of tbc to somewhat end of cata.... I have never experienced that plague on my server... days went like nothing happened... wtf O_x

[@lihisluikku]

I just remember when destro warlocks (my main) wasn't a chaosbolt bot ;_; Like we used to have loads of damaging abilities that all had a purpose, let me list a few: Immolate: had a short cast time, dealt highly mana efficient damage, and was required for conflagrate Conflagrate: dealt instant damage, had a short cooldown, consumed immolate or shadowflame Shadowflame: close range, instant cast, short cd, slow, had a DoT. Corruption: instant cast, mana efficient, was a normal dot to keep up during longer fights Chaosbolt: dealt medium-high damage, had a long cast time, had a short cooldown, ignored most defensives Soulfire: dealt medium-high damage, long cast time, short cd, consumed a soulshard. Shadowflame: instant cast, medium damage, short CD, consumed a soulshard, refunded if the target died. Incinerate: medium cast time, medium damage, no CD, high mana cost, bonus dmg if immolate on target. searing pain: short cast time, low damage, high threat generation, meh mana cost, filler in PvP. curses: DoT curse, shadow dmg curse, fire dmg curse, anti-melee curse, slow curse. Used for utility or burst. Also a couple of important notes: -confalgrate made your next 3 destro spells enjoy 30% shorter cast times and GCDs - getting hit with phys attacks had a 25% chance of making your next incinerate instant cast, helping with melees sitting on you -demonic circle was baseline -mortal coil was baseline -destro had instant shadowfury -destro could get chaosbolt (final talent), and still have soul link (20% dmg redirected to demon) and a 3min cd to almost instantly summon a demon with half the mana cost, from the demonology tree. -mana was an important resourece In a nutshell, a lot of the destruction warlock gameplay revolved around decisions over various resources. Thoughts like: -"is casting incinerate here really worth the mana cost, or should I just use a cheaper filler or refresh my dots?" -"should I really use a soulshard here to instantly cast shadowburn, would it create enough pressure to force defensive CDs or get a kill?" -"should I cast conflagrate before my chaosbolt to get it off faster, or use it after my chaosbolt to get a bigger surprise chunk of dmg?" -"can I afford to lifetap soon for more mana? or do I need to conserve it.. should I just use shards to deal more mana efficient damage instead?" -"should I let my pet die here, and use a 3min cd to summon a new one fast so I dont lose soul link, or retreat and heal it back?" -"is it really worth casting fear here, the mana cost is quite high, does it prevent enough damage or force CDs if I just cast it here?" Currently you just spam everything that's available: Mana? not even a resource! Soulshards? doesn't matter just spam chaosbolts if you CAN, wont do anything without 3min burst CDs anyway! Fear? Just spam it away, 50 casts will make you oom for 10 seconds! Any firespell? SPAM IT! Won't even tickle or make 10% of your dps! Only used on CD or as fillers to get soulshards so you can spam chaosbolt! Chaosbolt? Only deals damage when infernal and dark soul are combined (3min and 2min CDs!). And It's the only thing that can deal any meaningful damage in your whole toolkit! Also mortal coil and demonic circle are on the same talent row... And shadowfury has a cast time... Howl of terror has been removed too.

[@trayanpeltekov5472]

Back then when I actually thought about starting to main warlock because destro was so interesting..... I remember I leveled a lock in WOD and after 2 hours I left it and haven't touched it since ... not gonnna do right now either as it's even MORE boring .... so sad mate

[@xalian17]

"Changed my characters hair style and I was ready for Wraith." Me to bro...me too

[@GoatzombieBubba]

Ghostcrawler is at Riot Games.

[@ShadiestAce]

Sentinel Hill was my bitch. I loved the wotlk pre-patch was sooo much fun.

[@redrabbit8059]

i play on retail but also on a private wotlk server. Honestly, the private wotlk server has more people on the realm than retail at the moment..

[@shamicentertainment1262]

That's because the private server only has one or two realms active, while retail has players spread across dozens

[@AshyView24]

TBC and Wrath were just fantastic.

[@toomuchsugar3960]

I had a 68 DK twink that I would beat 70 pvp geared players with, god that shit was so broken

[@Raladras38957]

I remember the Dalaran lag. It was legendary.

[@nightzebra]

Tbc is still my favorite era of wow. God I miss tank healing as a pally. Worth the hard ass lvl up

[@ashlerh4103]

Wotlk would have been so much better if they just kept in the raid progression and kept out the dungeon finder. You’ve got two of the best raids, Ulduar and ICC, and the most compelling, fall from grace villain story in the Warcraft universe. If they tuned up the difficulty of naxx and had heroic on launch the xpac would’ve been legendary, even more so than TBC.

[@anthonypeluso3775]

I played since tbc. I remember leveling from 50-58 used to take like 4 days to do. It was sooooo boring then they squished it and it took like 2 days and you could go to outlands

[@Carefaceeeee]

Game was 10 times better back then even tho stuff was abit broken. Now they have tried to balance everything so much that it has no flair. One more thing ,people didnt complain half of what they do today,says alot

[@selwrynn6702]

In wrath I got to Dalaran once and then lost that character until Cata.

[@ValensBellator]

Metzen went through a lot of phases 😂

[@aussiesparks]

I levelled a mage ult to sacrifice and turn into a dk at the end of bc. I would of loved that, or starting at level 1 would have been good too. I didn't like the way it was finally implemented too much.

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

wait delayed release to polish the game some more, what a strange thing for a games company to do.

[@noahhendriks1411]

Anyone know if there is a video where he tells about the dire maul incident with his mom?

[@deathlyit7273]

Grizzly Hills soundtrack.

[@onlyRuted]

Woltk music Perfection

[@wheelndeel5472]

They honestly should of stopped making pre launch events after wotlk, that shit was so amazing.

[@coolace1000able]

wow 3 was old that why the fps low

[@Bound4Earth]

Dalaran bricked server hardware as well. It wasn't as much about hardware. It was poorly implemented and this is why there was no questing down below. Turns out pushing all of the population of the realm into one city was a bad idea. They DDoS'd their own servers by design. When Wintergrasp launch on Tichondrius it literally broke the game. ping times in raid instances shot up to over 2k until well after the Uldaur raid was launched. They took forever to finally fix it. They used it as a tool to funnel some people out of BG9 and Tichondrius. It was horrific.

[@nurvus4078]

We didn't run out of content in TBC because content was not trivial. You didn't have have an insane amount of catch up mechanisms that focus on trivialization, such as mid-expansion 5mans or Timeless Isle. We DID run out of content in WotLK because of all the catch-ups, which caused Blizzard to rush Ruby Sanctum into a failure. Still, it went fine because you didn't have Timeless Isle to make half the raids pointless, or Titanforge to get you gear 5-15 ilevels above what you should have without any merit whatsoever. Wellfare gear and RNG upgrades are at the core of what's ruining the game.

[@AH-bf4md]

Wow needs Jeff Kaplan... plain and simple

[@yourlocalmcdonaldsworker3595]

Ace II Hermit fac overwatch man

[@kuzz1191]

my friend irl actually told me about skillshare he uses it heaps to help with it

[@shamicentertainment1262]

Your friend was sponsored

[@Adam-082]

paladins could whoop a dk's ass though.You just had to make sure they didn't simulacrum your wings and you are half way there lol

[@your-username-here2308]

Working on one Side first is "preferred" *Facepalm*

[@Fugnuk2047]

During wrath me and some friends broke Dalaran, we made shit tons of toy zepplins and ran around the streets and we must have crashed half the population.

[@black_ccks6286]

That blizzcon footage looks like it was recorded on a phone.

[@coolace1000able]

some day thay may remaster wow

[@kw1349]

Ret paladin was on par with any DK in WOTLK. things come full circle, not one DPS DK spec can go against a fury or arms war, ret pal now rofl stomps a DK.

[@xDamage69]

yeah fwar, ret pala, feral druid and fire mage raped DK's any day, but Unholy with 4p t9 were insane in 25m tho

[@PaddyRoon7]

I'm from the same place as Bellular, I just can't listen to him. I've never heard anyone in my life talk like he does. It sounds so alien to me

[@skillcosby3095]

isn't the Paladin a hero class? There was no paladin units in Warcraft until the Hero system that introduced them...

[@taylorf1678]

Paladins were in WC2 as were Death Knights and Mages

[@shadowfilter]

There was suppose to be a new Hero Class every patch in LK.

[@jior6]

"THATS BONO" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@melak01]

Wrath died with LFG at the end.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

I had the most fun during Wrath.

[@markagrippa4018]

Looking at how OLD and out of touch the modern head Devs look compared to what they looked like during TBC/Wrath could also be a issue why the game is dying a slow death, DK was also the beginning of the end flowing into the Monk (should have been a Blademaster - did you see that Orc model?) then into the DH which makes no sense as a class, Monk has much much more depth but DK and DH the simplicity of their gameplay and the dps they do just makes no sense, but hey there "Hero" classes who cares about the classes that made the game the most played MMO.

[@archersden]

The pinnacle of WoW. Then Catacylsm came and the game hit the shits.

[@zen5857]

Cataclysm killed the fucking game. PepeHands

[@HMan2828]

I quit WoW when after having raided cataclysm hard modes we got "rewarded" by getting a kung-fu panda patch, everything becoming more accessible, and nothing being a challenge anymore... The best thing about WoW was 25-man hardmode raids. Yes, it was hard. Yes, it was complicated to schedule. But man, the reward though, and I don't mean just the gear. The satisfaction you got after 2-3 nights of hardmode ulduar 25 or hardmode ice crown 25 was amazing. It was real team work. Casuals were whining that it was "elitist" and whatnot, but they didn't HAVE to do hardmode, or even 25 man raids. It was elitist because just a couple of people fucking up would mean the rest of the raid wasting their time and wiping all night. Old WoW 40 man raids were excessively stressful to plan, but a moderately disciplined guild could easily setup multiple 25-man and 10-man raid rosters, complete with reserves during WLK. And all the mods needed to support managing all this made it easy. What killed WoW for me was LFR. LFR should have been limited to "easy mode" 10 mans from the start.

[@SuperGreenqueen]

McConnalds

[@retributionn5100]

Illidan wanted to be LK 2 ?LOL Wut No no just no wtf i hope he was trolling when he said it.

[@tehjamerz]

Why werent you in YT rewind assertonsin

[@Climbing_shizzle]

Blade masters

[@tbayvic8564]

I have never Played wow...Nor do I have any intention of playing it. Seems very complex and intimidating with the whole if you suck your not raiding or getting a shot. So how do new players really get a chance to evolve and learn to be a good raider/player. Either way I'm just here because I enjoy Asmon's content and find it interesting. That being said anyone else here watch his content and not play?

[@dpy]

damn I was too young back then, I barely remember the zombie invasion xD but damn was it cool

[@arcadealchemist]

WoTLK is the only time i ever do timewalking. i still do the tournment area dailies cos still want stuff.

[@weeabooshunter4759]

dark fucking souls

[@pontuspesonen9417]

Wotlk was really good. A great expansion compared to the others sadly the other expansions since then didnt have any wotlk feelings in them. In wotlk you could be unique and get stronger with professions, now you dont need anything but cooking and you are not unique at all no matter what class. All classes got the same shit, same abilities/dispells and all but in different effects.

[@Robertyewi]

i hate that he is so Popular and thinks he is so smart. but fuck it , its entertaining somehow. like how can u live inside a virtual world for over 15 years and still know so little, ah fuck me im getting toxic but the fact that he is trying to talk on behalf of all of us is so annoying and please don't comment on whats right or wrong :DD

[@Rokuns]

I know it's not popular but I thoroughly enjoyed WOTLK just as much if not more then TBC in some aspects. Mainly due to how the story, quests, world pvp, etc felt a step above. Up until BFA though I nailed Cata as the worst expan, but BFA has clearly surpassed all the shitty expans combined.

[@devonduncan6812]

Man I loved Wrath but it began the decline unfortunately. You originally had to work just to get a raid down, like real work. You had to study wowhead, watch boss fights and take notes, and actually plan out your play session to make sure you got the bis enchants and gems. It was glorious. I would plan my weekdays around doing all my 10s and 25s before reset (remember you could do each raid as 10 AND 25 back in the day). As a lock my BIS may be in the 10 vs the 25 or vice-versa. You had to work for a drop and they felt like winning. Then they fucked it all up with gearscore, combining 10 and 25 lockout, and dungeon helper (but only a little, you still needed to know what to do unlike today where you can dance through a boss fight with LGR...) Wow has never been the same since.

[@mummeliini123]

Viesti poistettu

[@lokeshusse]

Wait, Your mom?! Hahahahaha

[@tsalvlaxitov9594]

This guy keeps saying TBC's lore wasn't as good, its more like they presented the lore in WOTLK at his speed requiring a lot less reading to understand it and a lot more cinematic to sesame street it through. The developers realized that you mongs can't be bothered to read is why they changed it. It also wasn't nearly as raid gated, basically casual AF by comparison, yay. I don't think the game would have ever garnered the subs it did had WOTLK came out prior to TBC. WOTLK was a pretty underwhelming expansion to follow up after TBC IMHO.

[@whiskeySe7en]

I was that lvl 68 DK.

[@madalin969]

hey asmongold i turn off adblock for you :)

[@seltheus9447]

I hate how people look back on WotLK and consider it the pinnacle of WoW...to me it was the start of the decline...until Ulduar it was great and then it all started to crumble...

[@tarelsun4025]

Nah Icecrone Citadel was sick. Only The Champions Shit was meh.

[@t.r.2283]

people call it peak. i call it stop of growth. this addon killed wow player growth. and this makes it the first shit addon

[@MAGAMAN]

Wrath was the first time I quit playing WOW. Arthas was a joke of a "bad guy" he would randomly show up and tell an NPC to kill the players, then leave and of course we would kill the NPC. This happened several times and just made him look like a completely incompetent villain. He also looked weird. Something about his in game model just looked off (sort of like the problem with the Draenai). As Asmon said, this was the beginning of the end. I played through Cata, which completely ruined all the leveling in Azeroth and then played on and off during MOP. I played for a short time in WOD, played for like a week in Legion and never bothered with BFA. The pruning of the talent trees and then the pruning of talents had nothing to do with improving the game, it all came down to the developers being too lazy to want to deal with balancing them. I know most people ended up with a cookie cutter build at max level (I knew a few people who would come up with their own talent builds and do very well with them because of the way they play), but while leveling, it was always a big deal to get that new talent point. Losing it along with buying new talents from the trainers took so much of the feeling of progressing away from the game. Gaining a new level after they were gone literally meant nothing. From what I've heard, it sounds like they are doing the same thing with crafting and armor vendors. They have removed so much from the game, it is not surprising that NO ONE wants to play it anymore. Blizzard have literally cut their own throat with all these changes.

[@bigweeweehaver]

Go away grandpa

[@pontuspesonen9417]

Wotlk was really good. A great expansion compared to the others sadly the other expansions since then didnt have any wotlk feelings in them. In wotlk you could be unique and get stronger with professions, now you dont need anything but cooking and you are not unique at all no matter what class. All classes got the same shit, same abilities/dispells and all but in different effects.

[@muumuumu]

wotlk started the casualization

[@maximwijnen3059]

It's okay to be wrong

[@UnpredictableTony]

I couldn't agree more with you! You are 100 percent right in what you're saying. Problem is I see the comments and people can't handle the truth and live in Denial, fact is Blizzard made the game into something it is no longer, World of Warcraft... 14 years i have been playing I just can't walk away from something that had I never played it, I would never have met my kids mom in Vanilla and have the kids I do today with her. For all of us this game holds something dear to our hearts, especially if you played Vanilla and TBC. Wrath was good and Cata destroyed it all...After that it is only a shell of itself former self now. No one i played with back then plays today. The love and care and friends i made from Vanilla through to Wrath during those times were incredible. I really hope Vanilla server's will show everyone who never played it what it was like depending on someone running around where you were at to help you, there was no youtube to tell you how to do everything...What it was like to raid with 40 people! Was much more social than now no one talks in dungeons anymore. If you didn't play Classic Wow and Burning crusade then you have no idea what anyone is talking about when we say It was better Slower in progression, forced you to be nice and work together with total strangers and beat a game with Alot of CC and balancing issues and lag issues. Today's game is more balanced than ever before faster progression Everything is much faster and they always run out of content to keep us around 6 months before expansion time. Just had to play it back then to understand.

[@leevang9087]

boring wow is pretty much trash now, best years 2007-2014 rip

[@Nightstalker314]

Amazing how much nonsense Asmongold can comment in 20 minutes.

[@brimstonevalar6053]

Wotlk is the start of WoW downfall!

[@fateoac3071]

First

[@XPervysage]

BEST SOUNDTRACK EVER!!!!!