Asmongold Reacts to "World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria... 5 Years Later" All 3 Parts by Bellular

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[@tylergirl1970]

Asmongold "2nd best raid ever." "That boss was great" "That patch was awesome" Also Asmongold "I hated MoP" lol

[@rRekko]

He hates MoP because it introduced the Panda race and the art change, he just thinks it's made the game to look like it's for kids instead of the hardcore nerdy game it used to be. But the content was pretty cool and everything was still challenging.

[@mobspeak]

Unfortunately Asmongold is actually pretty delusional, what he says one second contradicts with what he said the second before. The game has always appealed to casuals, in fact if you don't believe that go look up how WoW was originally meant to be "The Casual Friendly MMO", not making it up. Also it always had a cartoony style, I've heard players make that excuse since I started playing the game, as one of the reasons they were quitting the game. The guy is just full of shit.

[@SteelValyrian]

@@mobspeak Because one person said something you take it for truth and run with it then? I don't know if I've ever heard an actual reason out of Asmongold why he hates MoP, but everything Hernan Alfonsin just said sounded like projecting the internet onto one guy to me. Otherwise I rather agree with your assessment of the game's style. That being said- remember Wind Waker? Lol same shit with that game, although I feel like WoW's graphics are of a much lower priority to players then in other games. WoW never looked all that crazy-good to me, but I never cared. Art is quite nice though ofc- old and new.

[@aidanj6672]

idk you can hate the game for the mechanic changes (simplifying the talent system is one of the best examples) but also like the content itself. MOP had great content, but it was also "the beginning of the end" in the sense of the game becoming overly simplified and about the time where Blizzard started trying to find ways to keep people playing through artificial means (thunderforged gear as an example)

[@exotixzamateurva8957]

@@jamesharden1435 Remember whenever he ruined the Duel Savix was having in Classic? Autims all the way

[@blahblah-we3cz]

"I love the brawlers guild, challenge modes, dailies, isle of thunder, throne of thunder (2nd best raid ever), timeless isle, isle of giants, siege of orgrimmar, valor points, justice points, commendations, item upgrades, reforging, treasure troves, warlock green fire quests, world bosses etc.... still hate MoP though." interesting opinion

[@TheAwesomoe]

Bling Blong Blingko good example of an opinion that‘s not honest.

[@victorolson1477]

@@TheAwesomoe let's be honest he mostly hates it for the pandas and LFR

[@TheAwesomoe]

Victor Olson exactly my point. To sustain such an opinion is just absurd, on some level you are lying to yourself. These two aspects, that so easily can be ignored, should not impede your enjoyment. He has countless times expressed how much he didn‘t enjoy the expansion, which means the ideas of pandas and LFR were polluting his enjoyment in, for example, SoO or ToT. Both raids far removed from the panda theme. Side note, i get and support hate directed toward LFR, but hating on pandas is just immature.

[@victorolson1477]

@@TheAwesomoe I agree he says pandas were a thing in the lore and they were but they shouldnt of made an xpac out of them. What he doesn't seem to remember which is mind boggling is their is an entire continent in the lore named Pandaria. Not to mention the Mogu once ruled the land and we're Titan keepers. So that continent is very important to the lore

[@lukeluckynblue1873]

because of PANDAS .:D imagine hating something because of PANDA when you dont even need to play that race

[@devinmccahey4754]

the most visually beautiful expansion IMO

[@thedoyla]

Timeless isle was and still is the best post expansion launch zone to this day. Seriously compare it to Korthia or Argus.Amazing PvP, Rares, a literal area progression where mobs became stronger as you went up the mountain, catch up gear, tonnes of pets, stunning scenery and one of the best mounts in the game to this day (Huolon one). Another underrated thing was the Pet Battle tournament to unlock the 4 special pets (Chi-ji, Xuen etc.) It was genuinely hard as you had to beat about 9 trainers in a row without being able to heal pets.

[@DarkSolace33]

While playing BFA, I realise how much I miss MOP...

[@jokerbatman101]

you will say it to BFA trust me

[@Piercee]

Not really, most of us actually played MoP whilst we quit bfa after the first 2 months since it was so dreadful, PVP was amazing in MoP and I enjoyed it so much.. I just want Vanilla at this point, it's the only part of the game that can keep me interested along with TBC and Wotlk, which I've been playing on p servers for years anyways lul

[@balshb4064]

@@jokerbatman101 no, hell no. BFA has no charm.

[@MattWeismiller1994]

The Sub count is now like under 2M. I am so glad that I quit before BFA was released.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

I'd sooner have BfA than retarded Kung Fu Pandaland

[@Nogu3]

I don't understand why everyone thinks WoW had to be "edgy and broody", at least in my take, Pandarens are my favourites because of the sort of balance and introspection most other races seem to lack.

[@wrigglenight93]

It was just a lot of it at once imo. I've actually very much enjoyed seeing the Pandaren characters carry that forward into the new expansions though.

[@ira233]

You are wrong and all lore over many years prove that.

[@FortunePayback]

I don't care what anybody says or thinks, Mists was and still is my favorite expansion. It'll be incredibly difficult for it to be dethroned for me. 100% a little biased though. Massive fan of the whole history behind ancient China, the mythology, and of course martial arts. So naturally, I very quickly fell in love with the lore. Either way, love the continent, monk class is favorite class, and I love my lovely Panda gal. Will continue being my main for a long time and I will always be excited to get to the expansion with a new side character.

[@brendopls]

Mop has a special place in my heart just because it’s when I started but even past the nostalgia I still think it was a pretty great expansion, even if my opinion’s unpopular

[@exotixzamateurva8957]

I just like MoP because of the culture and the music. I've always loved Eastern Martial Arts movies, especially ones like Drunken Master, or Ip-Man, so playing MoP really hit home. Hell, to this day, I'll fly over to important places in Pandaria, just to sit my character down, listen to the music, look at the scenery, and write. It's one of my favorite expansions, with Legion being a close second.

[@yukito4200]

I can't believe u just compared kung-fu panda to Ip Man.

[@00wkee]

legion was cool pve wise but pvp was CRAP... :(

[@Rem694u2]

Cataclysm dungeons were not too hard. They just brought back a little difficulty to the game. You actually needed to CC enemies again instead of faceroll everything.

[@erraldstyler]

i liked them tho

[@ignatrotenberg7676]

i dunno why anyone saying that cata dungeons were "harder" than any other, smileW. As for me it was a faceroll pretty much, u just need to know mechanics.

[@bitmetal1369]

Mop had Warlock tank,

[@DriftNick]

It was fun tanking LFR as demo.

[@gaerdinmoghal2751]

Demo had a taunt with demon hunting glyph. It changed soul shatter ability into literal taunt

[@leejuicy]

@@DriftNick IKR? Too bad one couldn't queue as tank, especially that at LFR difficulty warlock tank should be more than viable..

[@JonT1137]

That comma has me curious

[@ltsalte9200]

I'm sorry what? That sounds like something actually interesting for lock!

[@rexnoct5810]

He hates on mists for the theme, yet a lot of its content and patches were great.

[@maximillians5970]

i remember mop so vividly. had my whole guild ballin out in the timeless isles just having a good time. my favorite area ever.

[@Nmyers91]

Wish he would’ve mentioned pvp. MoP pvp was some of the best the game ever had with the uniqueness and balancing of classes. One the few expansions where I had like 6 or 7 max level characters in full gear

[@kataangsucks]

That's because you could boost in that expansion. Pvp was much more fair in tbc and cata

[@bingo2433]

@@kataangsucks In the history of wow 5.4.8 had the most balanced spec distribution on the ladder

[@kataangsucks]

@@bingo2433 homogenization was the reason why it was represented that way, the pruning in WoD was their means of trying to fix that problem even though they already set the precedent with the removal of talent trees.

[@bingo2433]

@@kataangsucks It wasn't represented that way it's just facts it was the most balanced. Homogenization arguably made PvP more fair due to getting rid of the rock-paper-scissors element which WoW had earlier.

[@thedoyla]

True, everyone was ridiculous and it was amazing. I still remember hitting 1 million damage chaos bolts. Levelling was quick and smooth and gearing alts was so much simpler than modern expansions. Saw a guy demolish us with a feral druid and i leveled one and got it full honour gear in a few solid days playing.

[@IamNemoN01]

I made fun of Panda Land a lot before it was released. Believe me, I DID NOT WANT FURRIES! But surprisingly I had a lot of fun in MoP. I had come back to the game after leaving in Cata. I joined a guild, not knowing that it was one of the biggest guilds on my server, and I hit it off well with the guild leaders. I joined one of the raid groups, was asked to tank, and had a lot of awesome raiding experiences. I also joined their Rated PVP group and we did pretty good - got my first PVP Mount. Isle of Thunder and Timeless Isle were awesome. And I’m surprised Activision never revisited those very successful and well received designs. In my opinion MoP was the most awesome expansion since Wrath, and in my opinion Activision has not made a good expansion since.

[@drumjoey]

I love your story and couldnt agree with you more.

[@DeosPraetorian]

What's with the furry hate

[@Mazxlol]

there was a lot of issues with MOP but it was AMAZING compared to WOD. hard to believe they basically killed wow with WOD.

[@taavidude]

What expansion didn't have a lot of issues? In Vanilla every spec had pretty much only one viable spec/build, bosses were overtuned and barely any mechanics, zones lacked quests. TBC lore was horseshit, Outland leveling is complete garbage. In WotLK, Northrend leveling was pretty shit too. Heroic dungeons were a joke compared to TBC heroics.

[@arthurschopenhauer292]

ANd they killed it again this time with bfa xD

[@hellboy-mt7zp]

it sucks cause the WoD content was really good its just that there was almost nothing to actually play

[@Mazxlol]

@AIIUserNamesInvalid yes i PVP a lot in MOP! mostly random BGs but i had a lot of fun overall!

[@beastmaster0934]

They killed it with WOD, revived it with Legion, and then killed it AGAIN with BFA

[@Cowabungas]

I did a ton of PvP during MoP. It was a great expansion for PvP and the world being so uniform and the faction cities being literally right next to each other made world PvP nice. Plus all the spine shenanigans. I leveled a druid to max just so I could push people off the spine haha. The expansion definitely had it's problems but I can say I had a hell of a lot more fun in MoP than I did in Cataclysm.

[@Crowback354]

I had more fun in Cata than MoP by a long fucking shot but they were still two expansions that were light years ahead of WoD, Legion and BFA. BFA is so bad that I actually think WoW is done for until Classic for basically anyone with a brain. The only way I could see WoW making a come back is if it had an extra year or two of development time then regular.

[@eduardoribeiroucv9630]

+Sonata727 MoP better than Legion?

[@Caligulove]

I did a ton of arenas in MoP with a couple of friends and had a blast doing that. And then I got to spend the currency I earned on some pretty damn good PvP gear that made my paladin look badass.

[@battlepumpkin]

i agree! pvp was awesome in mop, didn't like much else of the xpac though

[@basillah7650]

Because all the good pvp players quit due to not wanting to play a carebear panda expansion.

[@jeanpierre3061]

I really enjoyed MOP. The theme was a personal favourite. Love China and it's history. The quest and story were awesome, especially the Garrosh Story arc. The class design was in such a good spot. My only complaint was the raid mechanics. Apart from that, it was a great expansion and ever since MOP, Monk has been my main.

[@00wkee]

what was wrong with the raid mechanics?

[@Unholy187]

@@00wkee too easy

[@razien9941]

@@Unholy187 too easy. Nice joke

[@liljewzivert5001]

I personally love the MOP artstyle. The fact that it actually feels like a living world just like the original continents do is great

[@Flaky1990]

MoP was my favorite expansion because I really liked the philosophy part of it. Also the blackmarket auction house that reintroduced T3 sets and the Challenge mode! Throne of Thunder was the best raid since Ulduar and uhh yeah, loved it!

[@MW-cx3sb]

Man I will say that Timeless Isle was the best pvp fun I had with blood coining since vanilla. The whole Island was great with pve and pvp needs for all types of players. So there was a great mix of casuals, raiders and pvp from shit to server best. Was great fun.

[@torit9752]

Lol everyone hates MoP but it was this one that made me fall in love with WoW 😭😭

[@youngcracker9517]

It's because of the pandas mop was my personal favorite

[@torit9752]

yung cracka I thought they were a little goofy at first but they grew on me. I really liked the art change though. This expansion still sticks out so much from all of the other ones.

[@chrisbaldwin8570]

Yeah, the Blood Elves were reconsidering being a part of the Horde at the time. They were originally a part of the alliance and Garrosh was using them as cannon fodder so secret talks were in the works to switch sides. Then Jaina killed most of the blood elves in Dalaran and basically made that position political untenable.

[@shamicentertainment1262]

Asmongold in this video- "That sucked, I loved that, wow that was so bad, hey that was so good I had so much fun, HATE IT ALL, Love it"

[@krash2094]

Mop class design was great

[@KyleOber]

more abilities more fun.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

That's about all it had, though.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

People only say that because WoD onwards was garbage for class design. Mists started the shitty talent system, gave every class basically every ability (especially CC and druids, jesus christ who thought symbiosis was a good idea) and had way, way too many buttons.

[@DriftNick]

@@jellyfrosh9102 Some talent tree's were great, you could change talents and have it make a huge impact on how you played, some tho were not so great and there was a default spec that was best for most stuff. "and had way, way too many buttons." Having more stuff to do was more fun for me, also why do you think symbiosis was bad?

[@jellyfrosh9102]

@@DriftNick Because it made every class able to do everything essentially, and completely ruined the last remnants of any RPG in this MMORPG. And sure, some of the new talent trees worked well, but many of them didn't (lol mages) and the new talent system to this day sucks dick while you're leveling. And again, it removes more RPG elements from the game.

[@Amphroxia]

asmongold: "lets go kill bugs!" *starts cleaning room*

[@ShadowViewsOnly]

16:30 Daily quests are bad. Period. In every game. Because after 2 days, you are not logging in to play the game, but you are logging in to complete the daily quest. And that made me not play any of the games, that relied upon dialy quests. Because it just feels like a mass production.

[@m_11y75]

12:25 is literally a scene from Kung-Fu Panda 1

[@chincevideos923]

"If everybody can access something, it becomes a requirement not a reward" paraphrased genius

[@w33d533d]

if you're on this video and missing MOP check out Stormforged Mistblade MOP private server, it's still early in it's life cycle, throne of thunder isn't even out yet and timeless isle isn't till next year, 3x exp rate over 5000 players, people raid and do dungeons constantly.

[@haschwell2757]

I dont get Asmons hatred towards MoP. Objectively it was a great expansion through and through. The only real thing i could honestly complain about was that you could get an extremely powerful legendary by doing the questlines in LFR.

[@LAZLOWEYO]

Hate? He said wasn't a big fan.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

The shitty talent system, the tone-shattering Pandaren, the ugly ass raids (other than Terrace of Endless Spring), the dailies, and the legendary quest all made MoP a bad expansion to me. People only have nostalgia for it because WoD onwards was so shit in comparison.

[@taavidude]

@@jellyfrosh9102 The old talent system was worse, the choices were barely meaningful, half of the talents were just: 1% more crit or 0.1 sec less cast time, people were doing the same fuckin' builds all the time anyway, Pandaren are a weird race, but keep in mind, Gnomes are even worse. Raids were fuckin' amazing. Throne of Thunder is very cool looking, has fun bosses and really good music. Dailies were tedious, but they didn't bother me too much.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

@@taavidude The people who bitch about talents being cookie cutter are usually the people who only used cookie cutter builds. If you weren't cutting edge raiding you didn't need to use a specific talent build. The old talent system was also way better while leveling because it gave you something to look forward to. Instead of waiting 10-15 levels to get a choice of 3 passives. And you really wanna say that the new system gives you meaningful choices? Really? Everything you complain about the old one is the same thing in the new one just stacked. Like having a talent tree in the old one that had 5 stacks that gave 1% more haste per stack, meanwhile in the new one you have shit like "Into the Fray" for warriors that just gives you 3-15% bonus haste, whoopee. The only difference between the two is now I have to wait 15 levels to get a talent that would have taken 5 to fully upgrade under the old system. What a good change. Or you have talent rows that have one stupidly obvious "best" choice while the other two are just filler or are only good for other types of content you likely don't do like PvP. Look at the holy priest one. I have the choice at 30 of getting a movement ability on a class that literally has no other movement spells, filling a massive gap in my weaknesses, or a thing that reduces my cooldown on Desperate Prayer, or a thing that gives me 10% damage reduction on myself when I have renew up. Wow gee what a hard choice. You can say I'm cherry picking but those are just the classes that I've played this expansion and know about. If I went through every tree I could find tons of examples of either 1/3 options actually being good, or cookie cutter builds, which still exist even with this new talent system. The old talent system was far more interesting, had more depth, and was simply more fun, especially while leveling. And the difference between pandaren and gnomes is gnomes weren't based off a fucking easter egg from WC3 like Pandaren were, and gnomes are in games like D&D, panda people aren't. Gnomes are high fantasy, panda people are just goofy. The raids were ugly as all hell, and boring to look at other than Terrace of Endless Spring. Mechanically Heart of Fear was tedious, ToT was decent, Terrace was good other than the last boss, and then you have SoO. The raid that lasted over a year, stretching out a 6/10 raid for 14 months. Man that was so fun. MoP was a 5/10 expansion that only gets remembered fondly because of the expansion that came right after it.

[@taavidude]

@@jellyfrosh9102 And what was better then? Vanilla- Awful raids, mainly trashfests with bosses being overtuned and having barely any mechanics. Every class pretty much had only one viable spec/build. If you wanted to play Paladin you had to throw Prot and Ret out of the window. If you wanted to play Druid then you had to throw out Balance and Feral. Zones had lack of quests and a lot of bugs and exploits. TBC- Horrendous lore, once again, raids were mainly just trashfests and most of the raids looked really ugly or dull like Gruul's Lair and Black Temple. Outland leveling was pure garbage. WotLK- Lore wasn't too bad, but most raids sucked. The only Wrath raids I enjoyed were ICC and Ulduar. Northrend leveling wasn't that great. Borean Tundra and Dragonblight are some of the worst zones ever made, Icecrown leveling was quite mediocre too.

[@weeabooshunter4759]

Mop was the best after Wrath of the Lich King. So much good quality content. The Isle of Thunder, The Timeless Isle, Scenarios etc Very rich content patches

[@stuartlee8131]

"A mother and his son"

[@crizzswerve4734]

I started in MoP so its got a special place in my heart.

[@starkillermatt91]

Hanging out in Dalaran during Wotlk was the best. I loved that hub. I met amazing people there. It was so much fun. That's how I joined a guild too - Dalaran was the best during Wotlk.

[@BrokenCalculator]

This is the reason why I play mop private server. Best PvP expansion ever,change my mind.

[@sslingo]

I miss mop Bring back mop warlocks

[@blake2631]

I first started playing in MoP and loved it

[@Kordix_music]

Same here, must be a Blake thing.

[@opieopsen4757]

Really enjoyed class design in MoP. I really miss snap-shotting DOTS on my warlock and making a huge combustion on my fire mage. Now Legion Shadow Priest was initially pretty enjoyable to me, I quickly got burned out on the AP grind. Overall very nostalgic about the first raid tier for MoP. Personally my 2nd most enjoyable expansion.

[@szaka9395]

MoP was best expansion. Good legendaries, good quests, epic legendary quest, best raids, best class feel. I loved shadow priest, discipline, warrior, dk, mages and boomkin. Good old times.

[@davidhawkins4953]

i skipped cata and came back for mist and i really enjoyed it, honestly the best memories since vanilla/ early tbc.. i think it just came at a weird time for most long time players tbh

[@thecocooreo]

MoP was awesome, classes were great and felt the same way, SoO best raid ever!

[@eduardoribeiroucv9630]

not at all. Ulduar a million times better

[@jokerbatman101]

yeah so good so many players leave YEAH so good^^

[@seanberritto9174]

The reason MoP was amazing for me was the fact that I could ACTUALLY one shot anyone in 2v2 and 3v3 arenas as a MM hunter, Camo, Aimshot, Cicerashot, Killshot. Ya dead, Thats 300k right there bro.

[@statix]

hp was like 557k lol not quite a one shot :D

[@vinceg3213]

I loved MOP.. i love the asian style.. i love the thinking.. i love everything.. that was just so relaxing to play trough ^^

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

the trouble with the Asian style is that it was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overdone. If it was for one zone then fine, but no, the entire stupid exp pack was an Asian style bukkake that as for someone like me who doesnt give 2 shits about Asian style it just made me go "just hurry up and get to max level already so i can leave this retarded place" and not only that its bad enough that I see retarded fat kung fu pandas (seriously, how the fuck can a bunch of overwight pandas do martial arts? fucking stupid) rolling around everywhere due to Blizzards stupid descion to make those Michael Moore's and Rosie O Donnels a playable race.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

@unknowning unknown wtf u on about? I was simply stating why MoP is oe of the worst exp packs released

[@poko3940]

@@GenericUsername-qp1ww but your opinion is completely subjective and ignorant ever thought about being more neutral on it?

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

@@poko3940 no, because Kung Fu Pandaland was a TERRIBLE expansion, at least WoD was original and not a complete bukkake-fest of a real world culture.

[@KyleOber]

playing a warlock during the beginning of mop was god tier.

[@nhagan001]

I remember their Chaos Bolts hitting for millions.

[@knightghaleon]

Between those crazy Chaos bolts and the green fire quest, MOP was a good time to be a lock. Granted I'd take Wrath Locks in a heartbeat.

[@PiroMunkie]

I enjoyed the hell out of MoP. Every expansion since hasn't been as great in my opinion. Though a lot of this is for 3 reasons: 1. There were a billion procs, and procs still had an ICD so you could track and predict them. 2. Snapshotting was still a thing. 3. Reforging was still a thing. WoD basically shat on all these things and really spoiled the raiding experience for me. The actual content of raids means a lot less to me than the ability to control and maximize my character performance in the raids. ICD procs and Snapshotting made a huge difference in the performance of each player for classes that could really take advantage of them. Reforging made getting a piece of gear that was technically an upgrade but had suboptimal stats not feel so useless. I know a big reason for both of these things being removed is that they "required" players to use add-ons, but I think they could easily make UI improvements to show trinket procs and cooldowns. And since they've removed Hit Rating and Expertise from the game, the necessity of a Reforging add-on decreases substantially. Then again, I played a Warlock. And they were consistently great throughout the whole expansion.

[@Cinicraft00]

I hated MoP at first, but just as I got my first actual gig as a software developer, I went balls deep into MoP the month before WoD was released. I kinda loved it, because I just binged all the endgame content, and managed to kill Garrosh before WoD, it was glorious. I also loved WoD, there I said it.

[@toomuchsugar3960]

Oh man, the Censer of Angony was by far one of the best items ever added. I played on a pve server as a rogue, and I was able to get players on my faction to flag by shadow step ambushing their mobs right as they were about to die. They would still be spamming their abilities and 90% of the time they would auto target and hit me, flagging them for pvp, and dying right afterwards to a raid geared rogue. The rage from some of these players was phenomenal, one of the best times I've ever had.

[@David-zq8sk]

Asmongold: has an opinion Asmongold: has the opposite opinion also

[@Aerobicsx]

Mop had the most enjoyable pvp of all time. No arguments.

[@Starfire7888]

I think Timeless Isle was the peak of openworld Co-Op gameplay for me and blizzard has never been able to recapture that experience but rather the focused too much on "FB-like Minigames" like garrisons and mission tables.

[@BIGAMERICAYES]

I love when he talks about his mom, warms me heart

[@emllik2155]

The fact that people were more hyped about the rock bottom expansion called bfa rather than MoP is mind blowing

[@kizzaurey123]

Loved mop

[@PaulMurrayDesign]

Remember when Blizz announced Pandaren would be a new race but it was just an April Fool's joke? Or the other April Fool's joke where they said they were working on Diablo for mobile?

[@ralphjames1211]

FALLOUT 76, ................. GIMME A SIGN!!!!!!!!!

[@CottidaeSEA]

I have some bad memories with Lei Shen. The raid leader in the guild I was in had his head way too far up his own ass to see that what we were doing wasn't working. He blamed it all on people making mistakes and dying, which while true, was only partially the issue. For whatever reason, we ran with 3 healers in 10 man, and that worked all the way up to Lei Shen. I was one of them. So, I simply said that besides the burst damage, there is no reason to have 3 healers. If we instead have another dps, the damage output in the intermissions would be reduced, and I also said that I was willing to sit it out and let them replace me with a dps, or switch me out with a healer with superior dps. Of course, this didn't sit well with the raid leader, said "you're just saying that because you want to dps" again proving that he had his head too far up his own ass to hear what I said properly. Eventually I got tired, joined the raid with an undergeared alt, decided to tank the raid for the first time ever as well. I think we had 2 wipes in total for all bosses. People had similar gear and similar damage values on my Recount to my guild group, and I also saw that there were mistakes being made, just like with our raid group. But no deaths, everything worked just fine. So my suspicions were proven correct. After flashing my achievement in guild chat and talking about my experience, even showing off my shit alt character that I managed to beat Throne of Thunder with, some of them finally started to listen. After them persuading the raid leader a lot, we eventually decided to go with 2-2-6 as I had suggested. Of course, I didn't know about it, came in there as a healer as usual, but was told to switch to dps. So I did. First try resulted in a wipe, but we actually got quite far. Second try we actually beat Lei Shen. With me as top dps, despite maining healer. It was honestly both refreshing and frustrating to see that I was top dps. I didn't have the best gear either, and my reforges were awful since I didn't know I was going as dps. After encountering a few more annoying situations in that guild, I just decided to leave, and it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The guild was gone by the time Siege of Orgrimmar rolled out.

[@NickYoung22]

30:01 yup 30:15 hahahahaha. That dead inside feeling is on point

[@Mr.Heller]

Watching "MoP 5 years later" 5 years later.

[@justjprobably5226]

Mist of pandaria... 5 years later... 5 years later

[@zoom8772]

Mists of pandaria.. releasing in a store near you in 2026

[@garsto9718]

That Indiana Jones type loot raid thingy is still in the game, Rogues back in Legion were able to accumulate those keys and continue experiencing that content. I still have more than a whole stack on my human rogue who I don't play anymore.

[@DeviantMyphos]

people hated mop for goofy pandas even tho that xpac literally had the best faction war narrative in any of the expansions. Literally the expansion titlted "Battle for azeroth" felt more like allied race chores than it did a faction war.

[@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761]

Why'd Pandaren be a joke race if they appear in Warcraft III? They are in the Lore since forever.

[@sophu5468]

MoP was one of the best expansions next to TBC

[@nhagan001]

@Ch4rl3magn3 Da fuq you smoking. You think MoP was a stab at the Chinese market? Do you know that China has had WoW since 2005? MoP released in 2012. If you are trying to equate Diablo Immortal going to China with WoW going to China, you are in two VERY DIFFERENT BALLPARKS.

[@WeedStriker]

You mean Tbc>Wrath>Vanilla>Legion>MoP>Cata>WoD>BfA

[@thinhvo3893]

@Ch4rl3magn3 Except no, literary that is not how it work.

[@63Limar]

Weed Striker cata is certainly better legion and mop.

[@WeedStriker]

@Dr Boom A lot of people that are wishing / supporting the idea of vanilla servers (Hamsterwheel, Dodgeykebab, Alexensual, Tipsout, etc.) have always said that TBC is better / more polished than vanilla. As for most of the playerbase, Idk, Idc much about their opinions since people don't even know what they want xD

[@S4NoctiS]

32:00 Legion still had a new iteration of this in the withered scenario. Assuming they just made the reward structure a bit worse so it felt less good overall.

[@Unorthodoxi]

36:54 "What mount was that again?" Literally, the one you're AFKing on

[@murlend8455]

he was bragging lol

[@TreeboresLeague]

It honestly sounds to me that you'd enjoy this expansion more as you are now. This is consistent with many I see. Many in my guild now, after going through the quests and soloing raids for transmogs, feel they did miss out on something different. I'm quite appreciative of something like MoP as it was so left field I had no idea what was going to happen.

[@Azqalihm]

I remember being burnt out like 1.5-2 months into MoP by doing 5584 dailies every day and then I didn't come back for like 1.5 years.

[@nope1257]

The worst thing about mop for me is that they took away the hunter weapons and make them have only a bow... The best fucking thing in hunters that they could dual wield swords while being a range class. This is the only reason why im not a hunter main anymore and not gonna be until i get my hunter back with 2 swords with fiery enchant on them.

[@Skollshorties]

MoP is my favorite for many reasons.

[@FungustheBoy]

i never got the legendary cloak, i did raids super under geared. Just made my own groups and knew what i was doing, easy.

[@nodvick]

really liked 5.1, really hated 5.2. 5.2 moved gear upgrades to specialized meta trinkets. in 5.1 I was ALWAYS top dps using a holy priest with red aura, 5.2 said "Fuck you, holy priests are for healing only, now go sit in your corner"

[@shawn576]

Panda wasn't shit. I did play through all of it, experienced every dungeon and raid, and then quit. It's a pretty solid game but lacked the kind of tight community I wanted.

[@fugitive011]

I liked MoP. Partially because that was during my WoW prime days, raiding heroic (before mythic was a thing) 6 days a week on two characters semi hardcore. I thought challenge modes were actually a challenge. MoP leveling was pretty good i felt like, the zones were just amazing and the quests were pretty interesting as well. I no lifed MoP and never really ever felt like I didn't have anything to do excepttttttttttt at the end.

[@AXIOS03]

Watching his chat not have 100 messages a second comin is nice

[@russianbot2179]

Note the sub count starts to decline directly as LFR was introduced. Also warforging was ok in my opinion. A chance for a bonus 5 item levels was a neat little bonus to hope for, but in Legion it was so stupid to see people getting items 25 item levels above current content... from a world quest.

[@animositis6632]

MoP was my favourite expansion. Don't think I ever played more than I did back then. Hated the reveal, but it was so surprising.

[@Ionenkanone1]

I loved MoP a stoped playing after it XD

[@beidouenjoyer6192]

I liked Mop just because they added the pandaren which was a secret race in the Rts warcraft 3

[@Nimer420]

Cata Dungeons were not to hard, it was more that they took a massive step down during Wrath, and then when they made them hard again during Cata all the Wrath babies with no experience in needing to CC pulled everything and face planted.. then there were screams ' ITS TO HARD WE CAN JUST FACE ROLL EVERYTHING!'

[@zomg346]

i been playing since 2005 and mop is still my favorit exp.The theme and class design were so good

[@toomuchsugar3960]

I didn't do any of the quests in mop at launch, 4 of our raiders and myself spammed dungeons to cap.

[@eurosonly]

Mop has aged pretty well but I can't help but to feel like it was an expansion meant to please the Chinese overlords which blizzard had been receiving funds from at that time.

[@TrojanSalesmen1]

MoP had some of the best raids IMO.

[@tsalvlaxitov9594]

Imagine unironically taking the game so seriously that you got angry over the MoP theme. Also imagine being so clueless that you actually think it "pandered to the Asian market." MoP was about as eastern as a "Chinese star" in full Monty Python fashion. In other words it was a comical western take on something with an eastern theme. You can bitch about the core changes made in MoP and I'd be on board, but the actual content of that expansion was fantastic.

[@tardwrangler]

haHAA I like pandas

[@tehjamerz]

Pandared*

[@Pyr0Amos]

I quit in BC, but, when I saw kung-fu panda online... that kinda sealed the deal that I would never be able to play modern WoW again.... a real 'is this an out of season April fools joke' moment when i saw, 'we're going to have pandas. and they're going to do martial arts' announcement, especially since I was looking for something to play at the time and it was like, yup, not that, lol.

[@thinhvo3893]

@@Pyr0Amos Except the expansion was fresh in term of the story it was one of the most matured and character driven expansion that only wotlk even rival it. Calling thus childish because it is panda is fucking stupid.

[@63Limar]

Imagine liking orthodox fantasy about dragons, undead, demons and then getting panda emotion sha nonsense with focus on certain culture more than any other expansions did which you don't like. Yeah, that's how I feel about MoP.

[@ALulzyApprentice]

MOP daily grind was what killed it for me. Ate a ton of Chinese food. Those graphics for food were so good I got hungry.

[@Repz_VN]

i miss mop it was my favorite expansion for pvp, the pvp was so balance and classes where so complex, like a fire mage with alter time throwing pyros into deep freeze then altering and pyroing again fuck i miss mop

[@stormythepit4391]

I feel like I’m one of the few people who enjoyed cataclysm. My server pop crashed significantly, and we weren’t a big battle group. Honestly it was like a vanilla experience regarding community, I had a great guild on a server that had maybe only 5 competent guilds per faction. In MOP that feature died as cross realm integration went fully functional. I also wasn’t a huge fan of the raids. I rerolled from my Druid in cata(which was broken prob why I loved cata) to a monk in MOP and never had the same fun I did in cata. Wow just seemed like a different game in Cata compared to world. And MOP seemed like a complete spin off. Coming from someone who’s been playing since Vanilla.

[@patrickftw8464]

Arenas in mop were fun. Idk about the pve, i didnt do much, but pvp was sick

[@Archermit]

MoP wasn't the beginning of the end...4.2 in Cata was...the 25% blanket nerf to Firelands ruined it. Mop was ok...Dungeons were way to easy though...at level 90 in average raid gear, I SOLO'ED!! the Glory of the dungeon hero achievement...except those achivemnts that required 5 people

[@BadXad]

so many people are just mainstream-hating on mop and now look at the state of wow now.

[@ralphjames1211]

Spoiler alert, spoiler alert!!!! B4A has got a new version of Garrosh Hellscream, and she is a green eyed blond, let's just say that!!!!!!!!

[@hydromaple7646]

Asmon: The video is incorrect, there are 6 years... while looking at a video from 1 year ago.

[@pmslevelboss]

2 Furries races are enought for any MMO.

[@joshslaughter8343]

MOP was so fucking good, pretty much all of the hate stems from "panda bad" and LFR

[@shamicentertainment1262]

I missed out on so much on this expansion. It was my first expansion I hit level cap and did raids, but I didn't know there was all this other stuff to do.

[@Gennys]

Asmon, you said that it was bad that the exalted rep in MoP was the ability to purchase an item but nor the item itself. .. That happened in Cata as well. You were NEVER given an item at any point in any expansion ever. You're being dishonest if you thing that happened at anypoint.

[@toomuchsugar3960]

I never thought Cata was terrible, however I was a high end raider so maybe that was why.

[@Zakiel97]

man Oondasta was the best, I still have screenshots of the just corpse ridden fields of absolute carnage he wreaked upon my server during the first couple of days

[@TheMastermind729]

Show me

[@stormythepit4391]

Honestly Legion was a pretty good expansion. Especially compared to WOD, you’d think BfA would be a good follow up, but I get the same boredom I got in WoD in BfA

[@ZeratronXellos]

Wotlk will be the best there ever was, it had everything. Mop was the last okay expansion.

[@timmothythecuriouschangeli6345]

If there was one thing i hated the most about the time throughout MoP would be the constant comparing it to Kung Fu Panda from many 'Vocal' people,.. Because you know, Pandaran and monks and beer related spells and quests never existed in Warcraft 3, a game that came out years before Kung Fu Panda!