ASMR Who were the Nedes? (Elder Scrolls Lore)

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[@mbkh11]

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[@ovenASMR]

I will! what would you like to see in the future?

[@mbkh11]

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@@mbkh11 yeah sure!! I can talk about the dragon priests and Miraak

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[@Sir_Howie]

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[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

I might have a theory about the Imperials and Nords. The admixture of Atmoran and Nedic might very. I postulate that Nords in the traditional Atmoran culture architecture regions in the eastern holds have more Atmoran than Nede blood but western skyrim is more Nede than Atmoran but Nords exist because of the two mixing. The two therefore became Nords. And that the Colovians were Nedes who mixed with Nords not Atmorans but the Nords were Nede-Atmoran mix. That means to me the Nibenese are pure Nedic. Or have so little atmoran dna it's less than 2% so practically Nede purely. That's my theory. Therefore I strictly can only believe this theory if I believe Atmorans are Atmorans and Nedes are Nedes Therefore say Nedes are not Atmoran. But Nords are Nedes mix with Atmorans to varying degrees and Colovians are Nedes mixed with Nords (Nords not pure Atmorans) It's just my interpretation I don't specifically have evidence for it. My reasoning is the two contradictory human creation myths. One is the out of Atmora theory for all humanity the other is Kyne gave breath to create humanity on the throat of the world. I believe the two can coexist. That Atmorans are Atmora and Nedes were from the Throat of the world. I also believe the Redguards began with the Yakudans mixing with Nedes instead of Redguards being pure Yakudan. Those sources seem archaeologically unreliable as Redguards have observable Nedic customs and culture. But the Nedic ancestry if we do dna Is probably less than 10%. I try to distinguish proto populations instead of racially purity logic for populations. Those are more mythical. Elder scrolls lore itself isn't always true. In the real world people thought Turks, Arabs, English or others are pure ethnic descendants of so-ever groups but such genetic purity has never been proven and infact has been disproven by genetics. The Nedes were probably genetically distinct ethnic groups who mixed and merged into larger homogenous ethnic groups. With closer related dna. By analogy how the Celts and Anglo-Saxons of Britain are a hodgepodge mishmash of Briton tribes, celtic immigrants from Gaul and Germanic settlers, with mix overlap borders, not pure Celt Welsh from Gaul per Saxon Germans as the English ethnicity or that Scots and Irish as Picts and Gaels were pure natives who predated Anglo-Saxons and Celtic populations. Everyone seems to be a mix of each. I imagine this applies to the Nedes. And their descendants. Each human race in tamriel are probably a mixture of several Nedic ethnic groups with varying degrees of Atmoran blood. The Bretons are usually seen as Nedes, Nords and Elves mixed. But people incorrectly think Nords only assuming and overstating Atmoran ancestry. How much pure Nedic or mix proto-Nordic (atmoran-nede mix) or Atmoran default in ancestry the Bretons have I cannot know. It looks to me Nedes are ancestral baselines for humans but that Nedes in hammerfell mix with Yakudans becoming Redguards, And that Bretons and imperials were Nedes that mix with Nords who were already mix not pure Atmorans. Otherwise imperials and Nords would share more physical traits in common. Of course i can't dna test humans in Tamriel pie chart percentage break down their ancestry. I merely speculate. The reachmen are seen as Keptoo Nedes mixed with Bretons who were already mix. The Keptoo may of been mixed of Nedes from high rock, hammerfell, skyrim and cyrodiil fleeing wars mixing together becoming Keptoo. Does that mean they're pure Nedes? No they still mixed with Bretons with bretons being mix Nede, Elf and Nord with Nords being mix with Nedes and Atmorans. Hell if there's colovian than reachmen may also have more Atmoran ancestry from Colovians who were Nedes mix with Nords who again Nords are Nedes mixed with Atmorans. So I definitely reject notions of racial purity for humans in the elder scrolls universe. As these races are more related than they'll admit. Oh and best for last, the 500 companions are probably legends. Its probably Atmoran commanders with Nedic and Nordic armies by the tens of thousands led by a Atmoran elite. Solo 500 companions seem like a mythical legend. A real world comparison is 300 Spartans but people forget about the 20.000 other Greeks in the battle of Thermopolae. Atmorans Therefore in my opinion are overstated.

[@ovenASMR]

Yeah I’d have to agree with you on almost everything tbh. I think the Nords often overstate there ancestry with Atmora and same with the Redguards and Yokuda. It could definitely be argued that almost all the humans of Tamriel have Nedic and Atmorran blood. I try not to think about it too hard lol. But I appreciate you looking into it and making this comment :)

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@ovenASMR I don't know how to word this politely so I'll be blunt. Redguards have a case for their Yakudan ancestry because their black. Hard to overstate something very physically obvious. Its not overstated. Merely many may incorrectly attribute actions as culturally adopted but that is usually through mothers. I don't like how I worded this as I didn't want to sound racist. I am keenly aware however that redguards very from dark black to light brown and a shade of dark olive at times. So presumably those with more brown characteristics like the crowns have less Yakudan ancestry such as the Crowns while those the forebears may have more purer lines, when I say purer I mean less mix, not unmixed. In the modern day everyone's mix. But I understand this by a split of ratio in a genetic spectrum or rather preferably, a genetic continuum. In skyrim the western holds bear more imperial culture and in Hammerfell the Crowns bear more imperial culture while the eastern holds bear more traditional Nordic lifestyle and forebears holdings in Hammerfell are more traditional. If you play elder scrolls games and look at physical distributions of features there's a pattern. In skyrim I believe those with more Germanic appearances typically have more Atmoran ancestry while other Nords look like French or Austrians a in between of Romance and Germanic backgrounds and so have a Nedic ancestral affinity to the Empire. In hammerfell redguards who hold darker hues maybe more Yakudan whiles with more a middle eastern appearance are more mix with Nedes. And it's not a coincidence that Crowns holdings is closer to cyrodiil. I wasn't trying to be offensive in black or white manners. Imperials generally look like Arabs, Turks, Greeks or Italians in elder scrolls with a Mediterranean appearance, Nords look more Germanic and Redguards look more black. When I said Atmoran ancestry is overstated I mean for universal Nords, I am sure nords in windhelm derive, say 65%, of their ancestry from Atmorans. While forebears redguards may derive 75% of their ancestry from Yakuda, I can't particularly say the Yakudan is overstated, but for skyrim some Nords look like Colovians that Germanic Mediterranean hybrid look. While Crowns redguards look like moors, a black mix with Arab or Berber or Iberian look. While eastern hold nords look Swedish and forebear lands redguards look more like Africans. I am actually happy that Bethesda added a lot of racial diversity. I always believed that when God created humanity he made it like a garden and that a great gardener has diverse flowers as humanity has diverse cultures. And in elder scrolls I am happy to see 4 human races and several "ethnicities" within each.

[@ovenASMR]

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I see what you’re saying, don’t worry you’re not being offensive lol. I’ve never really thought about it super in depth. But when I think of the Empire’s of Cyrodil I’m always reminded of Rome and I just picture most of the people as a mix of races, because interbreeding between cultures and societies is super common and not always recorded. Although of course, just like the real world, there are always pockets of “pure” cultures and societies when it comes to ethnicity and such. I really appreciate your super in depth comments! they’re very informative and interesting :)

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@ovenASMR thanks. Yea I didn't really have much more to say. Also I like your Rome analogy. The Italian peninsula alone had Latins, Samnites, Umbrians, Oscans, Etruscans, Greeks, Boii, Senones, Insubres, and others diversifying the peninsula, like Messiapic Illyrians, so fourth.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@ovenASMR I have discovered something interesting, There was a race of people called the Tsaesci. theories abound. That they are either humans, humanoid in shape with snake appearance, or completely snake with slitheringness, or a human population with a snake elite. In the elder scrolls lore the Cyrodilic people have some cultural influence, and a I suspect blood. All humans have Nedic ancestry in Tamriel. But in ESO there's a blade with Tsaeisci ancestry and the dragonborn prophecy wall has three tsaeisci commonly mistaken as blades bowing before your prophesied character killing Alduin. And also Oblivion has skeletons in a dungeon called Akaviri skeletons. So I now believe the Akaviris are humans not snakes or are ruled by a snake elite. If you are aware of the race debate of the Tsaeisci in akavir, some sources say they were devoured or that they were conquered and devoured is a mistranslation. I think Imperials might be Nedes mix with Tsaeisci now as all other humans are Nedes mix with other races be it Elves, Atmorans or Yakudans. Imperial culture as we know it came to existence when Reman Cyrodiil ruled over a invading army of conquered Akaviri warriors. Who became predecessors of the blades. Such physology suggests to me they are humans. But there is evidence that two of them has the fame snake appearance. So the Akaviri elite might be snake but the population were humans. So from my recent research. I now conclude there is no pure Nedes. That even the Imperials have foreign human blood. And it's funny too. That all humans in Tamriel descend from native Nedes. But that Cyrodilians may have Tsaeisci ancestry, and that Redguards have Yakudan ancestry, High Elf ancestry for the Bretons and Atmoran ancestry for the Nords. Humans and Mer can procreate. humans and beastfolk cannot. And in Cyrodiil there's a human blade in elder scrolls online with Akaviri ancestry. this is a blade. There's also a ghost of tsaeisci origins but his mask covers his face. It therefore stands for reason if some humans have akaviri ancestry in the second era, 3000 years later all Cyrodilians may of spread out and acquired Tsaeisci ancestry. assuming your on the human side of the debate not beastfolk debate of the Tsaesci or do the human population and snake kings compromise. Which I believe is possibly true. As the Akaviri potentate were described as snakish,

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