Assassin's Creed - What If Shay Never Betrayed The Assassins?

[@mister2053]

Time traveler: moves a rock Connor: I make my own luck

[@LarryTheTugaGamer1511]

Shay: GIVE ME LEE!

[@ilanwaters3030]

Seriously 😂

[@Boulderpuncher98]

Haytham telling Connor: it seems your toungue has tasted sour grapes

[@YerbaDelDiablo]

Connor: I dont want to do anything with Lee. Haytham: it seems your tongue has tasted sour grapes. Connor: No father. I make my own luck.

[@MajorMusicGeek]

😂

[@mafiartx]

Shay never betrayed the brotherhood. The brotherhood betrayed him.

[@ineedhelp1461]

They both betrayed each other. Simple

[@ShyMoon689]

Brotherhood betrayed themselves

[@abhishekroy7722]

I would say both misunderstood. The assassin's misunderstood the parameters and didn't knew about piece of eden shay found in Lisbon, while shay misunderstood that assassin's knew the artifacts power. Shay was right that assassin's did grew a bit arrogant but he could have helped them.

[@ShyMoon689]

@@abhishekroy7722 assassims knew what would happen becouse when shay was sent on a mission in Lisbon he was sent alone becouse Achillies knew what would happen and he didn wanted to risk loss of more than one brotherhood members

[@abhishekroy7722]

@ShyMoon689 then my question to you is if achilles knew that the artifact would react like it did in Lisbon, why would he say that shay was right in the end game? Achilles and Assassin's didn't clearly know about the artifacts power of earth quake

[@matthewjohnson9199]

I really wish they did a follow-up game with Connor, Shay, Arno, and Aveline. I always thought there was great potential for a game when all of them are intersecting.

[@tribesmen2417]

Never understood why they didn’t take off on that project, it feels like they were trying to lead up to it too with said potential

[@masterassassin791]

Yep agreed in my opinion it's the biggest missed opportunity of the entire series

[@Bluecreed01]

​@@masterassassin791there are a few things in your video you should change and add to make it more canon and make more sense in your video on Assassin's Creed Vengeance, but that's up to you

[@ragingsaviorkami9862]

Well, apparently they're doing a black flag remake or a remaster, not sure which one. But maybe If that does well, they may start moving in that direction again. Assassin's creed has gone to shit even harder with Mirage and the new one(the Japan one), so they might as well try and save it by going back to North America.

[@rootpower8664]

If Shay never switched sides, that means Haytham doesn't have a former Assassin at his disposal to wipe out the brotherhood. Obviously the American Revolution would still happen, but knowing Haytham, he might aim for the heart of the colonial brotherhood: Achilles, killing him to make the Templars' plans easier. Which means Achilles would not be the one to train Connor, who would probably still join the brotherhood to protect his people. Instead, of being trained by Achilles, he'd be trained by Shay who by that time would be wiser and more experienced (and probably the new Leader of the Brotherhood, much to the disgust of Chevalier, unless Shay manages to be on good terms with that snob).

[@MaximumP0tential]

Just imagine the banter between the 3! Shay definitely seems like the type of old man (he'd a little old at this stage), but young at heart, and that would make for some really funny moments between, ironically, him and Arno. And of course, Conner being the glue of the 3.

[@tomasrolter6729]

In 1776 Shay is 45 years old.

[@MaximumP0tential]

@@tomasrolter6729 Well either way, what I said still applies.

[@inviz835]

Imagine the ULTIMATE DUO in the distance on a small mountain peak shouting from the top of their lungs. - I MAKE MY OWN LUCK! - GIVE ME LEE!

[@Boulderpuncher98]

Them clashing weapons would cause another earthquake, they're both too powerful.

[@ConnorWiederich-hr4zu]

One thing both Achilles and Shay could have done in their argument was mention the shapes and designs of an Apple of Eden and of the precursor artifact Shay found. The Apple of Eden being ball shaped snd gold and the precursor artifact being star shaped and black with white points. That was one of the easiest choices they could make to help settle their argument and reach a better understanding from both sides.

[@johnlucas2838]

Shoot, Shay could have drawn it. But the man was too pent up with his conscious to think things through.

[@bnkosu]

You should retitle this to “What if the Assassin’s never betrayed Shay”

[@han6528]

Fr😂

[@Derangedboros]

It depends on if he noticed the earthquake cause or not because if he did like normal timeline i doubt he would have not betrayed since he was young and irrational so if he hadn't noticed them the assassins would have just continued their destruction and conor would've never come to be since rogue's ending and story overall is kinda what made Achilles take him in anyway

[@super_funny3894]

It would be so cool if they made Connor, shay, and Arno meet up, it would be really interesting to see how they communicate especially shay and Arno in my opinion!!

[@Your_Resident_Jawa]

I make my own LEE! Pisspot.

[@harz4039]

Hey Man can you make more videos like this regarding the lore of the games ?? They're really interesting and fun to watch

[@michaeltaylor815]

I'd imagine a Homestead mission series with Shay and bonding system with other members? That would be cool

[@futuristicjack9103]

Shay is the definition of “I’m him”

[@the_CosmicSkyheart]

I would kill for a game where Conner and Arno team up to hunt Shay. Since both Conner and Arno are both affected by Shay in one way or another and both are alive around the same time how they couldn’t figure out a way for them to team up is beyond me

[@Kai0kenAssassin]

"Go make your own luck, Assassins". Will do, Master! Something tells me Shay was BLESSED by the LUCK GODS and either brings good or bad luck to those close to him. 😅

[@laurentiuchelesu6092]

Amazing video! Now that I commented, I will watch the video.

[@Samuelwex7]

That Starwars reference got me thinking about Darth Vader as a templar knight.

[@Lishaan777]

Your videos are so entertaining and so fun to watch Keep up the good work master ❤

[@mohittrivedi27]

Great to see you talk more about my 2nd favourite AC protagonist after Ezio. The guys makes his own luck after all!

[@batteryboi2]

If Shay didn't kill Charles Dorian then Arno would probably grow up with the teaching of the Creed and have an appreciation for the Assassins, fighting for them rather then using them as a way to get his revenge

[@jeepercreep12]

This is a great idea for a video essay series on your channel 👍

[@Croissantingh]

You're the best AC youtuber and one of the best youtubers on youtube

[@mjra76]

One theory indicates that if Shay never betrayed the assassins, Connor would have never been born. Think about it. Shay was a gigachad. Maybe with him still being among the assassins, Haytham would have gotten assassinated by him. Or even gotten assassinated by some other assassins that were empowered by Shay's influence and presence.

[@Boulderpuncher98]

Haytham already impregnated Ziio before Rogues timeline, so Connor still would have been born.

[@mjra76]

@@Boulderpuncher98 True. Totally forgot that👍

[@bleak4lls]

It would've been so cool to see Shay teach Connor how to make his own luck. Missed opportunity.

[@bharath2508]

Shay and Haytham were way better than Achilles. Achilles left them with no option other than quitting the brotherhood. Achilles shall never be forgotten or forgiven for his decisions.

[@jenaminton7009]

A perfect twist ending to Assassin Creed Rogue would have been that Shay never turned to the Templars, but Achilles used him to root out the betrayers to the order by going behind the Templars back by being a double agent.

[@izakdunn8295]

This is a great what if? for AC i would love to see more what ifs from you. Here's a suggestion What If Connor went out to meet his father instead of Achilles and became a templar instead but he would still have the need of revenge against Charles Lee and even George Washington too since it was his order that burned his village and lost his mother.

[@Templar-ft8cm]

It would be a truly impressive change, but I think that if Shay had never become a Templar, there would have been many important changes, Connor would still be born because when Haytham meets Ziio and they fall in love, that happens shortly before when Shay was in the earthquake. Portugal, without Shay on the side of the Templars, Haytham's order would be weak and they would not be able to face the brotherhood of Achilles, but I feel that anyway at some point Haytham would face Achilles and as we saw in Rogue, which Achilles' life was saved by Shay, and by not being in this hypothetical fight, Haytham would mercilessly kill Achilles, leaving Shay as the new mentor of the American brotherhood and going for revenge and perhaps it would be possible to see a final fight between Shay now being Achilles' successor as grandmaster of the assassin order vs Haytham as grandmaster of the Templars. And in the event that Shay cannot defeat Haytham (because in this hypothesis he always remained an assassin and for obvious reasons he would not have Templar training) I would train Connor so that he, together with Shay, makes a final fight against Haytham in ac3 .

[@Xanemuzik]

6:21 maybe he would’ve replaced lees position and been haythems right hand man seeing as he’s just as deadly if not deadlier then his father (talkin about Conner to haythem)

[@cyberpuma99]

Love the videos man❤

[@twinlions5720]

I truly believe whenever I think about this that Shay would always leave the order. Not join the templars or assassins but just to be independent of the politics of the situation.

[@TenTen-yt2ds]

If shay stayed At the brotherhood AC3 would be a story about a full fledged war between assassin and templar to take control of the American revolution instead of Connot single handedly rampaging the templar Here more cool what ifs What If Altair never demoted What if Ezio father and brother survived What if Haytham was raised by Edward What if Edward joined the Torres Templar What if Shay never killed Arno dad (Indirect sequel of this what if) What if The Frye Twins betrayed each other What if Bayek son never been killed What If Kassandra and Alexios was fraternal twins like the Frye twins What if Eivor was Loki incarnation and Basim was Odin incarnation What if Shao jun meet Naoe Fujubayashi and Yasuke in AC red

[@Krishthebrush]

In the end of dead kings dlc we know that arno gave the apple to Al mualim so ac 1s story would be changed to

[@unclesampatri0t535]

Do a video where you rank and talk about all the AC dlc's

[@ilanwaters3030]

I could imagine a serious where shay and Connor go hunting Templar and eventually hunting Arno because he at some point met Elise and betrays the assassins

[@SwetlanasCozyplace]

I don't think that it is only Shay's decision. Achilles messed up.

[@WR288]

You forgot that Shay probably rebuilt the American Templars post AC3, who eventually go on to become Abstergo.

[@JFVideos960]

Canonically, after he killed Charles, he did go back to America and had some kids, so it is possible. Probably actually is what happened, as his son and later grandson, who he trained personally as well, were active in New York

[@kokroughtoss1257]

Ah yes, the most annoying duo would be glorious. Shay: I MAKE MY OWN LUCK!!! Connor: GIVE ME LEE!!!

[@huyvouc9785]

Any chance that Ubisoft will do a follow-up game for both Arno and Shay? After finishing both Rogue and Unity, I feel a BIG Wasted Potential on an AC game featured 2 previous protagonists on 2 opposite sides. For example, it took place in the Napoleonic War, with both the Templars and the Assassins ultimate goal is to stop Napoleon, but both sides have different means to achieve that goal and try to gain an upper hand over the opposite factions. Shay is now old, but he has trained a group of Templar Hunters specialized in countering assassin's tactics. Those Hunters can be a special type of enemies that actively hunting Arno and strongly resist some tools like smoke bombs and hidden blade kill (someone like the Shakiriyya in Mirage), which force Arno to rely more on creative environment kill tactics. Since this is a 3-sides war between the Assassins, Templars and Napoleon armies, the player can lure the mobs from the other 2 sides into fighting, or maybe even suggest a temporary alliance with 1 other side in some missions. Since the Templars led by Shay also increase their impact by helping the locals, normal folks NPCs under the Templar area will also actively help them by calling Hunters everytime they see an assassin, or fighting along side them depends on Arno's notority. To counter that, Arno and the Brotherhood must also actively increase their fame by helping the locals and assassinate high profile targets that under Shay's command. Also, there should be an ambush mechanic like in Rogue to make the map more immersive. The kidnapping mechanic in Syndicate is also a nice addition, since it helps Arno sneaking more effectively in Templar's area. To improve the stealth even more, I suggest the interrogation mechanic where the player can interrogate mobs so that they can give info on the high-profile targets locations.

[@dawsynasay4841]

The only follow up we’ll get is if Ubisoft decides to tackle the American Civil War down the road. This wouldn’t even be considered a follow up with the characters per se, but we’ll see the consequences of their actions, especially Connor considering he rebuilt the brotherhood following the events of 3.

[@huyvouc9785]

@@dawsynasay4841 to be fair, if they make an Arno and Shay game, I think that they could also add a cameo of Connor or maybe even add him as a story-related character that helps the Brotherhood, like how Haytham appears in Rogue. It would be a nice tie-in closure to all Kenway games and Unity.

[@RemKiu-h8e]

Can you do what is haytham was more involved in Connors life

[@racszzz]

Master Assassin will you make a Mirage ng+ series i really want to see how it is since im wondering about the replay ability cus im debating on getting the game! Great vid btw keep it up man

[@yoavbenclaudia3073]

Here is a what if scenario, since I did a “canon” playthrough of Odyssey, but you know how Kassandra’s family are considered a curse, and that anyone with Leonidas’s DNA will cause the world to suffer or something along the lines? What if the Cult of Kosmos never bothered the King nor his descendants, OR what if they never kidnapped infant Alexios but guaranteed his death?

[@YEY0806]

In that case, King Leonidas still dies from the Greco-Persian War, but Alexios and Cassandra would both be raised as Full on Spartans, have a closer relationship and their foster father wouldn't adopt another child

[@mairaineplayzgames2205]

0:12 in other words...if Achilles heard Shay out about what happend and achilles decides to not mess with the world destroying artefacts. something that pisses me off to this day! a terrible mentor that doesnt listen to his students when they are upset. instead of kicking Shay out of the house, Achilleas should have pulled up a chair and ask Shay to calm down and sit down so he can hear Shay out! 0:19...yes, like that!

[@reichtangleanschluss509]

I thought this some time ago and here are my potential outcomes: 1. Good ending: Shay stays in the Colonial Brotherhood and they stop trying to find the precursor artifacts. 2. Neutral-bad ending: Shay stays in the Colonial Brotherhood, but they continue hunt for the precursor artifacts till Achilles finally realizes that they're danger. 3. New mentor ending: Achilles is forced to retire after the Lisbon earthquake and either Hope or Liam becomes new mentor. 4. I make my own luck, sorry, meant brotherhood ending: Shay leaves the Colonial Brotherhood and founds his own rival brotherhood. 5. Different brotherhood ending: Shay leaves Colonial Brotherhood and either joins the English/Irish or Caribbean Brotherhood.

[@kaivos]

What if Conner met Arno? What if Haytham was an assassin? What if Ezio never left to see Masyaf? What if Desmond never died? What if Edward was a Templar? What if Arno wasn’t a simp?

[@YEY0806]

What if Unity had a good launch

[@tucan9111]

The only tenet of the Creed Shay broke is "do not compromise the brotherhood" and at that point, it wasn't the brotherhood

[@ReklessStandard]

Late comment here but i as well made a similar theory on this topic. In mine i also explained that ziio saw the same darkness in connor as she did haythem and connor was set down the path of the templars. When connor met his father, haythem gave the same valid points. Maybe to throw off connor cuz even as a honed assassin connor is still naive in ways. And questioned the intentions of the assassins and their structure. Between haythem and achilles connor for a minute was stuck in two claims and it was that point where the story took an intresting turn when you knew Connor was gonna have to choose a side for better or for worse. To be a loyal assassin, to being manipulated that the templars had a better cause but not knowing that cause came from power and control. What people dont know is that connors story is intresting but relatively complex in the sense of the frictions between assassins and templars. But with the story events to connors village being burned which by the way who was never haythem that made the order. It was george. And how connor found out that the corruption ran deep with government and templars which we solely know thats were the roots lie with templar order. Driving connor to be a more loyal assassin when connor started seeing things clearly. And proved that Achilles's teachings were right. If shay had never turned, AC3 never wouldve happened and connor just wouldve been another target as a skilled person like haythem. Only with haythem's prologue being the start for the events of rouge which would've been AC3. Given ubisoft wanted to go down the path of assassin turn templar and tested the water in AC3 then we got rouge.

[@ConnorWiederich-hr4zu]

SPOILERS FOR THE MODERN DAY What if Lucy Stillman had stayed in the series longer? According to Desmond she would have stolen the Apple of Eden and went back to the Templars. Desmond would probably pursue her and confront her and Vidic as the world is falling apart with Desmond either convincing her to leave the Templars or killing both her and Vidic, whether or not he gets captured first. What if Edward Kenway had lived? This would either change Haytham's fate to being an assassin or he would still choose the Templars against his father's wishes and Edward and Adewale would have to confront him.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

Desmond Miles should have died in AC 4 instead of 3

[@ConnorWiederich-hr4zu]

@@unicorntomboy9736 Problem is the modern day after that game would still lose its direction.

[@1omarwalid0]

Next has to be this or I retire. “What if Ezio’s Family were never killed?”

[@kianbakker3691]

I think what if edward kenway didnt die might inpact even more of the story

[@JFVideos960]

Oh definitely. Haytham becomes an Assassin, the Templars are even weaker, basically no leader in the Colonies, and he’s already hella skilled as a Templar, imagine how much better he would be if he was an Assassin. And I doubt Connor would be born as Haytham wouldn’t have any reason to go to the Colonies unless to exterminate the Templars there

[@unicorntomboy9736]

​@@JFVideos960The assassin's in England get revived by Jacob and Evie Evie Frye

[@JFVideos960]

@@unicorntomboy9736 No shit, I didn’t say they didn’t

[@JFVideos960]

@@unicorntomboy9736 and go play Syndicate again because they’re still their, they’re not revived

[@wildercomet7682]

Hey, Master Assassin have you ever done how far can I get into Watch Dogs without being seen? I feel like it would be a lot easier because of the hacking abilities but I would love to see you try it

[@AnonymousEnigma19]

A KZbinr once pointed out that what the Assassins did made no sense, they suspected that the truth was fudged by Abstergo, and I have to say it makes sense.🤷‍♂️

[@caesarslegion9872]

May the father of understanding guide us

[@Charles-Smith]

he never betrayed them the templars are also not the bad guys they want the same as the assassins just in another way haytham revealed that and we all know he isnt a bad guy even tho the templar did bad things im sure hes kinda right shay basically just kept following his kredo

[@19blvck]

Shay never betrayed the brotherhood, the brotherhood betrayed shay, they chose not to trust him regarding the lisbon tragedy. When he is in the templar order, his beliefs are the same to when he was an assassin and stood before them his whole life, the brotherhood of that time was a total joke.

[@windebiesteultima3317]

Exactly. The colonial brotherhood was a powder keg waiting to blow. Shay was just the flame that lit the fuse.

[@Cee-FC]

These are the AC remakes I WANT from Ubisoft: 1 - The Original (seems that's in the work) 2 - "The Colonies Collection" Rogue, III, IV and maybe UNITY

[@Jack_the_Ripper9234]

** i mean come on even if i wanna became a copy of my grandmaster mentor shay i will not gonna say cuz everytime i say this i became in trouble

[@ACGMV]

I would love to see a what if Connor joined Haytham. Being a big AC3 guy I have always wondered what would have happened. Just a thought. I have so many others that I might send to Ubisoft and or Netflix to see if they would do an AC What If.

[@ACGMV]

Also there should be a trilogy for almost every assassin because it’s not fair that Eliot gets 3 games and all of the better ones only get one. Not saying Ezio isn’t cool which he is. But still be a good idea.

[@Oblivious39]

Do a stealth only video on ghost of tsushima

[@ungodlybeast8436]

I was playing mirage last night when i seen some Muslims praying in a mosque it made my face light up of how beautiful this detail was then i made a realisation that in the assassin's creed universe, there is no god and theres no such thing as an afterlife and every religion is false so now i just find it very depressing seeing all these people worshipping and praising their God unaware that theres absolutely *NOTHING* in the end

[@bmw355games]

Hai I don’t know if this is the place to ask this but I was wondering if you were going to take a look at the assassin’s creed table top rpg coming out soon? If so do you have plans to review it or even just talk about it?

[@thecrusaderbg4374]

I honestly think that if Shay didn't act like a kid when he returned from Lisbon and Achillies wasn't so arrogant the brotherhood would never suffer the defeat by the templars. Shay never did really try to properly explain to Achillies what they have done messing with the artifacts Achillies thought that Shay was being a brat and brushed off his words not even thinking them trough. In the end both of them acted like children and were the main reason for the events all the way to Unity

[@wongo453]

Idea: assassin's creed makes a game were they see what would happen in a bunch of what ifs such as what if shay didn't betray the brotherhood? what if Connors village didn't burn? What if Arnos father didnt died? What I'd assassin's creed vallhalla didn't exist?

[@chiweta6230]

What if assassins creed had remastered all the previous games before syndicate and had us choose a sequence where we change how the event goes either pick the original or the alternate one like this what if

[@komodoindustrial1195]

What if desmond didnt die

[@sephzone5637]

Another interesting What If Scenario What if Edward never died and was able to raise Haytham in the Assassin Order

[@AlphaOfAllAlphas666]

Yo master will u do sumthin like what if all of the assassins from all AC games went into an arena on a free for all which assassin comes out on top

[@damien980]

Is this going to be a full Series?

[@gerarddelyrium3524]

Well, Imagine if Ezio or Altair didn't exist. Madmen like Al Mualim or Borgias with extreme powers - that'd be unthinkable.

[@timhorn3829]

What if Ezio‘s family had never been executed that would be a cool one

[@DamyanStoilov]

Make more videos like this bro, please

[@unicorntomboy9736]

What if Jacob Frye became Jack the Ripper

[@eazyethan261]

Could you do a video about what if Ezio's family was never killed?

[@chadyways8750]

Honestly, part of me wishes they explored the sun actually wiping most of civilization out. At least as a spin-off game.

[@antobenilol]

What if Desmond never died though?

[@majorknight859]

Theories such as these make me more pissed that Ubisoft didn't give AC Rogue the attention it deserved

[@Monster22522]

[@LLeafie]

what a good sir! #22

[@bigpauly2703]

than we would have haytham vs shay honestly not a bad idea sounds very interesting

[@tucan9111]

Anakin also had justification for what he did, the Jedi Order was as corrupt as Aquilies' brotherhood

[@PieVR83]

What if Odyssey was actually an AC game?🧐

[@CarnageReplays]

What if Arno was sent on a mission to England and he met conor but mistakenly he found a lead on shy Patrick that he is still alive on some low profile i always wanted that battle but it Will never happen

[@Brokedownn]

What if Edward never died?

[@Bluecreed01]

Lazerzz already did a video on this subject, did you see it

[@Jameswebbtelescope7484]

2 ideas What if Connor and ezio switched time lines

[@Shokito09]

I make my own luck, Lee

[@zzzzzzzzzzsss]

Can u pls do an assassins and templar free for all battle who would win. everyone at their prime , no one holding back ( even if they fight ther family ), and considering edward beacame co leader of british assassins and a master assassin, connor who was aldeady strong enough to beat an entire army alone got even stronger as he trained more ( he was around 26 to 28 at the end of ac3 so imagin if he trained for like 8 more years ), and even arno proceeded to get stronger and became a master assassin.( not who is a better assassin or templar but who would be first, second, third, fourth and fift in an assassins and templars free for all anyone can fight anyone and can u pls do a match up between (haytham and connor) and ( anro and shay ) with interactions but no one holding back and before fighting arno shay fought aachilles( shay fought him as a templar with interactions but no holding back) and dont consider if the person got tired after their previous fight)

[@yoyo-zo6fl]

Imagine they added shay in nexus to fight connor

[@amurik3n]

For another what if, you should do what if Ezio killed Rodrigo Borgia in the end of Assassin’s Creed 2.

[@iamgavenburnsred]

If Shay never betrayed the assassins then master assassin would never have made this video 😮

[@ahzaiperez3276]

What if khemu didn't die at the beggining of origins or what if eivor became a hidden one just some ideas

[@DeadRoseBouquet]

Personally this is my favorite game, I just wish it had some good plans put into it

[@THE_DOG_WHO_WALKS]

Hear me out what if edward kenway was alive?

[@DAMARISM1810]

What if? Bayek's son never die does the Assassin's creed still exist

[@VaultGirl684]

Imagine Shay and Connor having a father-son relationship😭

[@YerbaDelDiablo]

Don't forget that Haytham was absolute menace and maybe he could be the one to destroy assassins, instead of shay

[@Boulderpuncher98]

He definitely would have, plus he would have killed Achilles since Shay wouldn't be there to talk him out of it, then Connor wouldn't have a mentor. Haytham then could have found Connor and made him a Templar.

[@zombiekillo61704]

What if Connor grew up to be a Templar?

[@meet2meet835]

I think you should start making ac what ifs

[@vertex_music]

I always make my own luck

[@xkaosdark]

What if Bayek's son never died?