Assetto Corsa EVO - Will Be The First Ever Proper SimCade Game !

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Getting ready for 1) People to see the word simcade as an insult 2) Miss the point made in the video entirely 3) Miss the point made as to why the term simcade becomes rather meaningless when you truly consider things. Next video I'll make sure is one that doesn't require any thinking 👍

[@bernardoberner4]

Lol

[@VR-hotlaps]

@@GamerMuscleVideos but then we will be thinking about why it doesn’t require any thinking!

[@verticalflyingb737]

Your next video will be 10 hours of Subway Surfers gameplay? Splendid!

[@strawwmann3131]

I'll pick option 2), but I was triggered & rage quit as soon as you tried to defend 'simcades', so it was never really a fair fight. 😀

[@NPlay64]

Un-unsuscribed because you asked so nicely around the intro. Double negation is agreement so I'm subscribed again. Keep up the great work mate, someone gotta remain sane in this madness :D

[@kevin-l7r7p]

I feel like GM just spends his days arguing with himself

[@onionbagarch8243]

And some guy called James West 👍

[@weswheel4834]

It feels like that's an important skill for a lot of youtubers ;)

[@captainunderpants200]

And sometimes winning.

[@RetroGenetic]

Oh, it isn't just with himself :D

[@TEFilms]

As an Englishman, that's just the life of an Englishman.

[@PLAYER_42069]

What I love is the guy who AC Evo is using as one of its data points is a 40+ year race car driver (multiple disciplines) and he flat out said, most of the so-called hardcore simulators like iRacing, feel nothing like how real race cars handle at that level. He also said, many simulation game devs go out of their way to purposefully make sims harder than the real thing to help distinguish their game from the competition... Completely ignoring the reality of how easy (relative term) high performance race cars handle, but that their hardcore user base supposedly thinks is insanely difficult. Ironic. He said, if race cars were as difficult to drive as some games portray, there would be no motorsports and far more fatalities. Professional pilots have said the same thing about the major flight sims, too. They're games that are overly hard, so they can slap the name "simulator" on them when in reality, if planes were as "hardcore" as they claim, there would be no airline industry and far, far more fatalities than exist today.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

" many simulation game devs go out of their way to purposefully make sims harder than the real thing" I think this is a result of trying to block unrealistic driving techneeques or exploits which then results in physics "turning off" when a car is pushed as aposed to cars being "unrealistically controlable" the key is a balance and its obviously very hard to get right and maybe also not exactly enterly objective as to where the point is.

[@6ix782]

@@PLAYER_42069 as a pilot I disagree with the fight sim thing. Flight sims are actually much easier than really life and the reason that none of them are used for training. All the flight sims we train on are designed specifically for that. What makes flight sims "hard" is the knowledge that required to with the systems and follow the rules of the national airspace system. Once you've got the knowledge flying really isn't that hard tbh

[@xDriver69x]

@@PLAYER_42069 truly so many elitist know it alls who are delusional AF. Eventually the truth will get through. Maybe even before they get on track and have a huge awakening to their ignorance.

[@fishingalot247]

Wow very interesting. I believe what you said is true.

[@fishingalot247]

Is there a video interview with this guy? Would like to see him speaking about this

[@RoarMcRipHelmet]

Arcade games were originally designed to make the player spend more money if they wanted to keep playing. In that sense, iRacing was the first and is still the greatest arcade racing sim in the world. It's also the most realistic.

[@weswheel4834]

Interesting points in the first two sentences. Surely the third is a tad debatable though?

[@terjehelle]

@@weswheel4834”It’s also the most realistic.” It’s taken from IRacing commercial. It’s a bit of a meme. Now you know. 🤓

[@weswheel4834]

@@terjehelle Ah okay, thanks :)

[@linzkirk]

iRacing is the most realistic?. You might get a backlash there. I race it and love it and it is unforgiving compared to other sims. It is definitely a sim aiming to be realistic. But I think AC1 tyre model feels more realistic. But the penalty system is much more realistic than any sim. if someone hits you in reality you loose out as do they. It also helps stop deliberate ramming and road warriors.

[@YacineSimrace]

exactly like LMU and Rennsport, both of em are also arcady

[@JACKZERYT]

I wish iRacing and AC Evo would use proper tyre models... like in NFS Hot Pursuit or Simpsons Hit and Run.

[@billyglimstead5204]

@@JACKZERYT haha true! bro I love your videos 🇬🇧

[@JACKZERYT]

@billyglimstead5204 💙

[@studlydudly]

Never in the history of Humanity was so much spoken, and so little said.

[@PietroPizzi]

Luckily for you that you don't watch anything about politics :D

[@gasracing5000]

You are lucky you don't have to deal with lawyers regularly 😂 maybe GM should become a barrister 🤔

[@MattO109]

@studlydudly absolutely

[@TheElement2518]

Ever seen a mike baker podcast?

[@alexrallyart4343]

I'm using AC1 as to learn how to drift. I have over 100+ hours on drifting and recently i've been to a drifting experience, and i have to say, all the muscle memory transfered quickly and i felt like i was doing it for years.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yah It's amazing how good it transfers i think the lack of feel in the sim makes some real stuff even easier as there is more information in reality through your bum , be interesting to see if EVO does drifting even better than AC1

[@alexrallyart4343]

@@GamerMuscleVideos I could truly feel through all my body, when the car was starting to spin, so i knew based on the G forces and what i feel in my body, how and what to do in order to drift. It's a shame i only had 4 laps, i could have been on the track for days having fun.

[@slaphead90]

0:23 That unexpected USB disconnect sound puts me into a state of advanced technopanic. As for "Simcade is a totally useless and stupid term" - I could't agree more.

[@gomezthechimp1116]

No, you're just redefining 'simcade'. The simplest definition of 'simcade' is: 'a racing game using simplified handling'. Nothing to do with what the 'game' offers. Codemasters were originally brilliant at this, producing both the TOCA and Colin McRae series. Neither of these series had any 'game' elements, but were superb at offering compelling racing games with handling that almost felt like you were driving real cars, albeit somewhat easier than the real thing. In conclusion, EVO will probably be the opposite of simcade, that is, a game offering realistic physics, but with simcade elements, is why I won't be buying it, at least not until version 1.0. I'm quite happy with my boring track racers. Edit: I was referring to the original TOCA games i.e. 1 and 2.

[@lacko623]

@@gomezthechimp1116 Spot on. To my understanding, the sim vs. arcade was always: simulation: as true to real life as possible, hardcore, not casual-friendly. Arcade: less realistic, focusing more on gameplay, easier for the casual gamer to jump in and have fun. As for simcade: has aspects of realism (meant to capture the feeling at least) but still geared more towards the masses, so it's more accessible.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

The video is literally about the word simcade , how it is defined and why it actually ends up being a floored term in reality when you really think about it. The video also offers multiple ways in which it's used as a term , how it's used as an insult and then how it's used in least disingenuous way ( basically how you also defined it). And then the video explains how this in reality is also flawed when you really think about it due to what has happened in reality with racing games and racing sims. Sure the video could have maybe been even more clear , I'm. Kt the best communicater and a bit thick at times but I think it actually did a reasonably good job of this outside of me literally also braking down what I'm doing in the video at the start.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

​​@@lacko623 And what you have done is literally define every home racing sim as a simcade if you think about it 😂 Which is part of the point of the video 👍

[@Coxy-b34]

TOCA's handling and phyisics model wasn't remotely realistic though. It's laughably bad by today's standards.

[@M1ggins]

TOCA RD3 is peak imo.

[@Bonkikavo]

The community forcing every racing game to "be a sim or gtfo" resulted in dinosaur type extinction of racing games in the mainstream. It's not about newton meters and feeling every grain of dirt, it's about having fun.

[@MrKeith5021]

I am hoping Evo is like grand Turismo and Forza with better FFB and physics.

[@LazzySeal]

In flight sims simcade difference is just about how deep fidelity goes in certain moments from perspective of how elaborated specific system was or certain physical effect is done

[@th3orist]

i do like the approach to build up the narrative that simcade means a game with simulation physics and ffb but that offers around this simulation level driving model a more arcade experience, meaning open world, meaning car collecting, meaning earning credits etc.

[@FilingAccount]

GM is such a good influenser I bought a carpet.

[@demonicsquid7217]

He gave you flu?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Another happy byer !

[@VR-hotlaps]

Is anyone else worried that they still have not priced the early access price for EVO?

[@UnderwaterAlexJones]

Nope. It'll be like 70 bucks Canadian, and thats fine by me, if thats too much for you, thats a you problem. I'll put a 1000 hours and at 7 cents an hour, 70 bucks is fine.

[@hansolo631]

@@UnderwaterAlexJones I don't think it will be 70, but I'd be cool with it. But if it's actually a 'simcade', I won't buy it. I don't even know what gamermuscle is going on about up there

[@Sean-ps3ec]

$35 bucks US... Mark it down

[@sock999]

46 euros on allkeyshop

[@hugovai89]

Affraid to go bankrupt? Quit sim racing...

[@onetripwonders]

I wish this guy was a mate and I could chat about sims over a pint. Love this stuff. I can't talk about this stuff with anyone I know.

[@thetopshed]

All I want is the physics of AC and the storyline of a NFS title. Would be a blast

[@LyroLife]

i get what you mean. Realistic game but with lots of entertaining content. Imagine Grand tourismo or Forza games with realistic physics. Would be worth playing for sure.

[@billyglimstead5204]

For me personally what makes a game a simcade vs sim is what it has prioritized in its development

[@lowfastracing]

The last time i enjoyed offline racing was in TOCA Race Driver 3, that game's career mode was amazing. If Kunos will create something like that, that'll be a huge success.

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

IMO Grid Autosport has the best AI racing I ever tried. Sadly physics are average at best and singleplayer structure lacks any personality.

[@joseppc6802]

True, Never ever again I had that sense of enjoyment

[@demonicsquid7217]

IRL career mode is the most realistic though. Start karting at age 6, work up the ladder until you get to 14 or 15, then don't progress because your parents can't afford to pay for the next stage.

[@MiguelSilva-wi6tl]

Oh boy let me cry. Best game ever

[@M1ggins]

omg, that's what I've just been saying, loved that game, easily my favourite 'simcade'. I was still playing it online with some friends last year, until one upgraded to Winblows 11 and it broke the patch.

[@UnitedSpotlight]

you know i have been waiting for a sim to be a proper game, as much as i love sim racing not having careers etc makes it fairly boring to plod around on your own, im all for it as long as its more sim than cade

[@keithb4048]

GM, you sir, are one of a kind.. and i mean in such a Good way.! You Never fail to me make laugh, in a world that seems so angry.

[@BobbySteroidGontarski]

Project Gotham Racing 2 is perfect. Recently I bought classic Xbox for 3rd time just to play it again. Whole series is good but I just love car list in PGR2 the most. There is perfect progression in this game. The handling is on spot between sim and arcade. The car list is perfect for all types of petrol heads.

[@stevenwex8966]

Simcade would be a game that has IN game credits, unlockable cars and upgradeable parts list. Most likely puts game play ahead of handling. The Simulator tries get has close to possible the feel of the car and track it's simulating and career mod might if it as one would be challenge races and time attacks.

[@AdamsSIMporium]

Having a USB disconnect sound in a video should be instant de-monetization, or death, or something.

[@smashedlegends]

Click bait title..

[@robertbrown1778]

Well, I think the invocation of the word arcade isn't just that the title is gamey, but that it's not at all realistic physics-wise. A sign that a title might be a simulator is that it contains elements that no-one in their right mind would include because they're so annoying and detract from the fun element but do however serve to re-direct sim racers' innate masochism through the excuse that this is what happens in real life.

[@ackarting]

totally agree... and the pro-modders who get a license to dev in the game can create any type of environment and pro-driver scenario from ACKarting to F1! Going to be epic !

[@_Ligneel]

I'm not worried about on the road driving, and If they nail off road as well as i(plenty of stuff indicating that it would be a proper thing) as well as giving us interesting things to do with the open world, then it should be an amazing title.

[@RDR12344]

you got a sub love u

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

What...? Simcade? If you watch any of the interviews with Kunos they literally said, multiple times, is first than anything a proper sim and will always be the main goal. Having different interactive systems (which you can also just ignore/skip) doesn't make it a "simcade"

[@linzkirk]

I think GM is trying to redefine what simcade means, and in some ways he has a point. A simulator that has gaming aspect to its play. At the moment the term simcade is used as an insult at games that are not realistic.

[@ricardofrancisco7684]

Bro didn't watch the video smh

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

Yeah I understood he's trying to change its meaning by himself, but that is just dumb... Because there's still actual simcades, you can't have two different things called the same. And when Kunos itself said they are making their best simulator, wanting to call it that, it is just a stretch.

[@nismo97]

Funny thing about Forza is that if it was more realistic it would be easier to drive... Those heavy cars just keep on drifting forever and correcting a slide is a pain. But it is funny how Forza is considered a "simcade" by so many sim racers, meanwhile their favourite sim will suffer from issues that have the same magnitude while being marketed as "the most realistic" sim.

[@MattOLC]

Okay, so nothing is a true simulator, and everything is essentially simcade. What will the FFB Prophet shock us with next?

[@linzkirk]

My main concern for Evo is VR optimisation. More cars & tracks , Open world, Multiplayer & Ranked racing will come without a doubt. As to Simcade, I think make it as realistic as possible, with options for driver aids so its accessible to everyone. Then have a great single player campaign, and have a casual multiplayer, where some driving aids are allowed. Then a serious Ranked multi player where most driving aids are not not allowed, focused on the realistic side. I pretty sure this is the way Kunos see it too, but with open world included too.

[@M1ggins]

So an updated version of Toca rd3.

[@fishingalot247]

I just hope they offer modern consumer cars as well, not just super cars. I want to see the ability to upgrade a Honda Civic if I want to

[@SingleRacerSVR]

You raise a really interesting point Mr Muscle, when you make the comment you made from the 5:54 mark. Basically saying that none of the games are truly Simulators... I say this cos in my own Sim/Game Racing past, the hardest game I can remember playing, was arguably the original Gran Prix Legends. So my point is something I have personally held for a long time. And that is here in Australia, our biggest Series is V8 SUPERCARS. But it takes a very special driver to master it. So I'm simply saying than can a TRUE SIMUL;ATOR ever really exist - when if it suddenly did - most of us grumpy complaining trolls would simply say.......... IT'S TOO BLOODY HARD!!! (when arguably most of us couldn't race a real racing car well anyway??? ; )

[@hughxthexhand]

I want more "game" in my "Sim" racing. It's like developers have forgotten how to add game to their titles. I'm 50 and no longer care for multi player races. I just want a game that feels great on my rig but has content that keeps me driving. Career modes and the like, some real sense of progression. You can shit on the F1 titles as much as you like but the "my team" mode and driver career modes are immersive enough to keep me playing. I wish someone would grab live for speed being the visuals upto current gen and make some sort of career mode and I would be in heaven. They don't even have to be proper licenced cars just makes em look and handle like what they are representing.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Exactly and this is precicely why I think EVO could end up doing really well and also be the first really true "simcade"

[@LordBritishTTV]

^^^ this 👆

[@LaTerata]

Spot on. I feel like after Gran turismo 4, devs forgot how to make a fun career.

[@joerith00]

I feel like BeamNG was the first actual simcade in this sense, AC EVO will just be the second and for most people better

[@nope3152]

I’m training in AC for real life roaming and complaining about curbs. I’m 99.2% complete

[@weswheel4834]

Real life roaming is not as realistic tbh.

[@bernardoberner4]

8:51 nah cant agree with that. I understand what youre saying but still much prefer Horizon physics over lets say Need For Speed, a truly arcade game.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

That's fair enough it's definitely subjective I personally prefer original burnout games , really snappy arcade stuff or something with a really compelling drift mechanic that has some depth. I don't really like the weird sluggish semi realistic physics that can't seem to decide what they are. Recent GTA games are probably the best example of the worst of both worlds

[@richmachin6741]

Which game(s) would you say have a really compelling drift mechanic; would like to try them if I haven’t already…

[@Rave-agent]

Can you turn off more lights for your next video please.

[@henrylynch9437]

It’s a realistic driving simulator, that’s been treated as a game. Quality!!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Exactly ! I think it's what most people have wanted for years.

[@no1computerrepairguy]

I have a feeling I'm going to play EVO, but iRacing will still be my #1 driving experience.

[@linzkirk]

With only 5 tracks in Early access I will be the same. But this will only grow. Most wont leave iRacing as they, like me have spent over $500 on content.

[@UnderwaterAlexJones]

another member of the iRenting cult of sunk cost. just check out. its not worth your money.

[@RADERFPV]

@@no1computerrepairguy Same here

[@Kireth]

My type of video 🙌🙌🙌

[@weswheel4834]

So the theory is that ACE could be realistic but also lots of fun? Hope so :)

[@rcgonzo144]

I think "authentic" is a better word vs. realistic in that context.

[@weswheel4834]

@ I probably should have included the word ‘relatively’.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I think it will be very realistic but also have more gameplay than what is typically found in many simulators hence it being a proper simcade tite.

[@weswheel4834]

@@GamerMuscleVideos It is an interesting usage of the word but I see your point. Hopefully it will be because that does sound like a lot of fun :)

[@weswheel4834]

Introduction basically "I've used a totally useless and stupid term in my video title". Right that's it, definitely unsubbed this time!

[@MrBreakthompson]

Good choice, did that a long time ago.

[@weswheel4834]

@@MrBreakthompson Make sense. I'm a bit stuck on what to do while I drink tea now though.

[@MrBreakthompson]

@@weswheel4834 Matt Malone dude, it's like an American GM but without the self rightousness and actual good driving. Lot of Iracing tho. But he is hilarious.

[@AMSOZ-SS]

they made an amazing licenced formula one game called GP2 :D

[@munkytaint666]

decades ago, racing games existed in a binary state. ZERO realistic physics (Daytona USA, Pole Position, Ridge Racer) or ALL the physics the current hardware could muster. (Grand Prix Legends) But these days, even 'arcade' style racers employ basic but forgiving physics; so these games are now on a sliding scale. So, I think that unless the devs move the physics sliders all the way to hardcore realism, then all racing games are kinda 'simcade' in that way. ...and that's ok, I like them both; just depends on my mood and what I want to drive that particular day or moment.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

First of all how dare you claim Daytona is not realistic ! - banned for life , how could you know have you ever driven an oval indoor track with waterfalls ? Are you a profestional real world oval driver ? Are you a GT3 or F1 driver ? Do you own a race car ? Yes also all the "sims" have a ton of elements that are more gamey by accident or intentionally so again - Everything is basically simcade but either more or less realistic or more or less worse lol - which is why the term Simcade basically is meaningless - but if its not , its why ACE will be the greatest simcade ever made !

[@Do.Christ]

I love Simulator(games) and the more accurate physics the more fun it is. 58 and no need for arcade magic.(not saying they're bad just not for me ) The only thing more fun than a car game is a motorcycle game and it would be incredible if they add motorcycles to the game eventfully.

[@rz5090]

F1 24 simcade, completing laps 4 to 5 seconds faster then they can in real life. Also anything that encourages 100% brake pressure and holding it a bit before trailing off is unrealistic, the ABS and TC being over engaged kills lap times in gt cars. According to many drivers the telemetry aspect of Iracing is more realistic and practical to transfer into real cars, even though they do admit that the cars aren’t as hard to drive in real life as Iracing makes it.

[@weswheel4834]

It better come out on time, I've got Thursday and Friday off! (Seen the theory that it is going to initially cost $50 based on the cost on some key sites?)

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I'd imagine EA will cost 25-29.99 Marco has said in interviews they want to surprise people with the price , I'm quite sure they will hit the EA date they set

[@weswheel4834]

@@GamerMuscleVideos So if you're thinking that it will cost 30 quid, then 50 would surprise you like Marco said ;) You could be right though.

[@juanmata4318]

I use clutch (paddle)and hpattern on AC. Thats simcade. But it works to be faster in hpattern cars.

[@juanmata4318]

Cubecontrols.

[@JimmyboyRacing]

A bit off video topic but please give me your lights on this! How is the Nobsound amp that you are(were?) using? Faced any issues with you bass shakers in general as you connected 2 in 1 channel? Thank you in advance, I'm ready to order mine so I need you right now m8!! Congrats on your great work and your endless humor!

[@mattalford3932]

I play because I like racing. I don't care if the handling isn't perfect as long as it's not like Forza Motorsport 😂

[@capzor]

Leaving a comment so i can delete it later in an indignant rage

[@sethdale4721]

I spent a year away from my ps5 playing all the other titles and I do mean all of them on a good pc with a full asetek setup and nice profile rig and I can’t explain how much Ive missed gran turismo… none of the other games have the heart and soul of gt7 and it’s not even close haha. To be fair I haven’t gotten back on to gt7 with a good wheel yet so I haven’t really seen what the gameplay is like in that way after seeing all the other titles but there is nothing like it.

[@earthexplorer579]

GTR 2 is the real simulator

[@thepalmpilot3g]

FINALLY somebody who understands it all, and people who throw shade at anyone else enjoying a game needs to find a happy place to center themselves and move on. I have just as much playing forza and tokyo extreme racer as i do iracing and ACC. I know professional racers that still enjoy mario kart as something to just have fun with. GREAT GREAT video, keep up the great work.

[@jeeziRacer]

A video quite literally made about the word ‘simcade’ and how it’s a flawed term… I think. Absolutely riveting stuff James. It’s words written on a piece of paper, thrown into a hat, you put your hand in and pull out said words, today’s word was SIMCADE. Then you have a pie chart on a whiteboard I’m guessing with a few categories 1= CONVERSATION ABOUT FFB 2= IRACINGS PHYSICS 3= PHILOSOPHY ABOUT LUCKY DIPPED WORD 4=COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE in my mind you have a spinny wheel thing, you spin that and which ever category it lands in, you then make a video talking about the lucky dip word. Then use a thumbnail that engages, ramble using big words to appear smarter than the average sim racer then CHA CHING!!!! We upload baby

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Just a hamster on a wheel in my head No Cha Ching from videos like this , probably negative Cha Ching given that you can print money doing hardware reviews / guides or selling people on driver coaching.

[@anderss7994]

what is the bucket seat on your rig?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

F1GT Virtual Reality Racing Club

[@maximravinet9950]

"everything is a simcade" is a hot take. Can't wait to see the iracing community's reaction 😂

[@TobiasWiggle]

A simulator, to me, is software that SIMULATES a thing so people can train in the simulator or test things in the simulator without real-life risks and costs. It doesn't even have to be super realistic, paradoxically, so long as it has what's needed for training purposes. E.g. if you use the special military version of Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA), Virtual Battlefield or whatever it's called, and you use it to show your recruits how to set up a realistic road block and what that's meant to look like, it doesn't matter that you can barely walk through a door in that horrendously sluggish game engine. You can't simulate storming a building because the game neither has detailed building interiors (doesn't even have doors!) nor appropriate movement for this type of scenario, but you can use it to simulate how to drive in a convoy, how to secure flanks, what to look for at the horizon, etc. It doesn't need sim-level vehicle physics for that. There also doesn't need to be a working, cinematic singleplayer campaign or multiplayer with any kind of workable balance! It's not a game. Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA) is a game. It has simulation elements (e.g. bullet drop and travel over distances) but it's a game. It doesn't SIMULATE training scenarios and it doesn't SIMULATE its battles in a meaningful way, where you could run the same mission a hundred times to get statistics about how a similar real-life mission might go down. It has nothing to do with that. It's entirely unusable for that. It's a game, like in an arcade, but it has sim elements, so I guess it could be a simcade. However, I accept that "sim", in videogame terms, is used as shorthand for "it's more realistic than most games in this genre". In that sense, it's a "sim". It's far more realistic than Quake, Counterstrike or even Ghost Recon. Case in point, there used to be space shooters and space combat sims. Freespace 2, people call a space combat sim. What's it simulating? Real space ships? Real laser weapons? No. It's not simulating ANYTHING, but it has a more realistic veneer than other space shooters. (Sill, even stretching the definition to the breaking point, the term "immersive sim" is like nails on a chalk-board to me. What is Deux Ex SIMULATING, exactly? What is Deux Ex more realistic than? Rainbow Six? SWAT3? Baldur's Gate 2? The Sims? "Immersive sim" means Deux-Ex-like, with multiple approaches to quests, vent shafts, doors to hack or break open, stealth or guns-blazing approaches... I get it, don't explain it to me, but "immersive sim" is a terrible, terrible name for this genre.) AC Evo, from everything I heard about it so far, is going to be a GAME. You know, like in an arcade... AC1 is severely lacking in its GAME aspect, in my opinion. I preferred playing Forza Motorsports 7 for a long time, even with its mushy physics and lackadaisical car specs, because it was a good GAME. Had a singleplayer that took me through a wide variety of wacky races, with historic cars, with racing trucks (!), on scenic race tracks like a gorgeous fictional one set in Prague... Just all manner of fun racing. AC Evo is promising to be a good GAME, and if it comes with physics that rival or surpass AC1 in realism, all the better because while I was playing FM7, I constantly wished it had physics like AC. By all means, marry "sim" and "arcade" in this way and give us a great "simcade"! The problem with racing games is that people, for some reason, want to feel like they're better than some kid who's playing a "racing game" like in an arcade... They want to be adults who are training on their "simulator". They spent good money on the equipment. They get very invested in how close to a simulation their chosen game is. If it were an arcade game, that would make them kids! Easily fooled kids who don't know how a real race car behaves and who are wasting time in games. So "arcade" or even "simcade" are grave insults to them. -- I had to chuckle when that news broke that the new hypercar in iRacing is too fast in corners or whatever. The initial tweet immediately called this "arcade". Because yeah, getting some values wrong in your long-running, notoriously uncompromising, top-end of the consumer racing sim market, racing sim... suddenly turned it into Sega Rally or Outrun. With high-score numbers popping up with a loud ka-ching sound or that old-timey Sega announcer yelling at you. Sim racers are a special breed.

[@CaptainCrunch99]

Could you repeat all that but longer, lol

[@vsm1456]

Even though the term "simcade" is often used unproductively, I disagree with how you try to redefine it. "Arcade" part in "simcade" does not mean "game" or "fun-oriented gameplay", it just means "very simple, unrealistic driving model" (and then "simcade" just means "driving model is neither too simple and fantasy, nor at the same level as racing sims"). A fully-fledged sim can be a good game if you put a good career and maybe a story in it. Imagine Gran Turismo 4, but with much more realistic physics - that would be a simulator and also a very good game at the same time.

[@heinous70]

I followed it all without an aneurysm. I think a completely matured prefrontal cortex helps.😂.

[@RDMracer]

I think you get the term simcade completely wrong. All our simulator games are Games that's what gives them gameplay elements. With simulators, the differences in gameplay are made by racing rules and the simulation model itself. That is why the simulation flaws are legitimate gameplay critiques. This could mean that with all the difficult rules on, GT could even be considered a full simulator. The fact that it has less detail is a flaw that comes from hardware limitations, and not from the choice to make it arcade. What sets simcade apart is that it actively omits some racing rules or real details to make the whole package simpler. I would say that this choice is mostly motivated by a reduction in development time, as an extra bit of detail is always welcome, even onm a controller. Due to the freedoms taken in simcade titles, flaws in the simulation model don't even matter, so AC evo is quite a pure simulator as the most care is taken to model the cars in physical detail as well.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

"What sets simcade apart is that it actively omits some racing rules or real details to make the whole package simpler " - That basically describes all sims on the market.

[@RDMracer]

@GamerMuscleVideos You got me there... I'd say, up to a point. So the only true sim developers at the moment are Kunoz and whatever the studio behind LMU is called now... Regarding the racing rules and hybrid systems, your input makes me conclude that iRacing is definitely a simcade.

[@britishgaminglivingthedrea5148]

They are all simcade games when you see the set ups on the cars they could never be used on real racing cars

[@MegaIronica]

Fun fact : the "U" in USB stands for unsubscribe 😂

[@fcukugimmeausername]

There isn't a chance that Evo comes under the umbrella of Simcade.

[@rexoid0800]

Did you watch the video, or just not understand it?

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@rexoid0800 I didn't watch it and I didn't have to. The title is "Assetto Corsa EVO - Will Be The First Ever Proper SimCade Game".

[@antjones2281]

Some people dont like to have their beliefs challenged. It makes them think. ​@@rexoid0800

[@FlameBot]

Thanks for clarification. If any part is arcadish in Evo I won't buy it.

[@Silentpartner2176]

You’re definition of simcade is not my definition of simcade. Simcade refers only to the physics. It’s a blend of arcade and sim physics. Example, Codemasters Grid is a simcade, Need for Speed is an arcade, and Acc is a sim.

[@brtcobra]

You're simcade. 👍 @0:35

[@arenam79]

Summary: A game, is a game.

[@a-qy4cq]

I heard they have driving academy in the game, maybe he can at least get a virtual driving license? Rooting for the guy.

[@splatracer7726]

I find fried eggs make the most realistic breakfast except maybe when they are boiled.

[@demonicsquid7217]

You don't boil fried eggs though. No one fries an egg and then boils it, what madness is this?!?!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

@@demonicsquid7217 They do fry boiled eggs though or even fry fried eggs a second time.

[@guidofoc7057]

I kind of agree that if they introduce cash prizes for winning, renting/buying cars etc this may smell a bit more arcadey. But to compare with other games, is Euro Truck Simulator called a simcade? If yes, then ok. Otherwise I prefer to consider AC Evo a sim with role-playing elements.

[@berk8845]

Again, there will be a game that those who play iracing will not look back, has a weak online lobby and weak car notification. I hope it will not be a disappointment, but I don't have high hopes.

[@Howlingbrown]

So are we saying I racing Full sim Ac sim Ace simcade Acc arcsim Gt/Forza arcade?

[@Hellknight27]

You're supposed to stretch the video out to 10 mins. You fail at monetisation Wames Jest !

[@simonolsen9995]

No. Sorry. I got to the end but did in fact have an aneurysm at some point along the way. Gotta go. I think the missus is making toast.

[@murfenator82]

This all makes total sense! - man who doesn't know anything

[@DavidFerreira77]

I totally agree!

[@vikingwar-beargaming8843]

Will the real Sim Cadey please stand up! 😉 🫖🎵🚗🏎🛵

[@ResetandoOestado]

a thing that i wish is in ACE is best possible lap simualted by AI, and to have this lap as a Ghost to learn from... obviously the car companies don't whant this benchmark, soo it is probably impossible to have their car fastest lap coded in the game... but if the simulation of the lap is done by our computers real time, and with a disclamer that the AI is for sure imprecise😅 and should not serve as a benchmark hahahahah for sure that would pass, would not even be noticed by the companies

[@109benn]

Lets hope so

[@Juggernaut76-e7m]

Does anyone know if AC EVO will have VR during the early access period?

[@guidofoc7057]

Yes they announced that a couple of days ago.

[@dreambiggarage]

Think test drive unlimited 2 with forza Motorsports level tuning and if u wanted the option to work on your own car be like car mechanic simulator and have your character and house customization like fallout and sims level

[@pinkimo_]

When talking about video games, the term "simulation" doesn't mean it's a software made to train for real life, it simply means it's a game with a relatively realistic gameplay, aimed to simulate the reality. So even if the term simcade (and arcade too) is constantly pejoratively missused by sim elitists, to the core it serves its purpose, to designate games that lean toward realism, without having enough advanced physics to be called a simulation. It's just to fill a void between arcade and simulation, for games that are not clearly in one of those categories like GT, Forza Motorsport, Project Cars or F1 games. At some point, people were talking more about arcade, simulation instead of simcade, and realsim or hardcore sim instead of simulation. The gameplay is the main element determining in which category a game is. Using a touge or open world map in AC doesn't make it a simcade game, it's still a simulation. If AC EVO has a proper career mode, it still will be a simulation, just a less archaic/minimalist one and a better game, which is pretty much what GM implies in the end.

[@gothicvillasgaming]

Music kept me in suspense 😮

[@bndavees6410]

I genuinely see ACEvo being many things to many people but at it’s heart beats a Kunos simulator…….lots of DLC on offer for different people, but what you like leave what you don’t, very much like modded AC but with more polish. GT3 Multiplayer, YES! Drift, YES!, Cruise, YES! Single game layer, YES! Maybe AC crossed with beamng?????

[@antjones2281]

Simcade is a term that ,"simracers" coined to belittle any game that didn't meet their imaginarty standard of reality. Its like those guys who claim "They're not dolls, they're action figures!"

[@fingers68]

I just hope you don't need a 6090 to run it in VR.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Seemed to run better than ACC when playing it on a 3080 on a 4k screen with the simracing expo tech demo

[@emiljohansson8435]

At the end of the day.... they are all just computer games trying to simulate car racing... :) some does it better that other, some are more rewarding that others. Enjoy them while you can!

[@daemoncast]

This will piss people off so much +1

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Which is funny as its really just an honest deconstruction of the term simcade

[@juanmata4318]

Button clutching in IRACING is simcade and its faster.😮😮😮

[@xDriver69x]

Seems like posts I made in forums brought to ling winded life, and all the same hit puppy snowflake elitists come yelping when reality shows up.

[@mkilner]

I just bought a few car packs for AC from RSS so I’m good for a while! 🏁👌😎

[@celofficial101]

So all race sims are simcade because they have short comings when compared to their real world counterpart? This could literally be said about the simulators used by professional race teams so by your definition there is no such thing as a racing simulator, period. Which shows you don't understand what simulate means.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

There is no such thing as a "perfect" simulator correct How this is an indication of my understanding of what a simulator does not logically follow Also the first part of your comment is a straw man my argument was not that they just have short commings , its that they litrally are designed around game play both home "sims" and what people call "simcades" IE the disinction between "sim" and "simcade" is actually lose when you really look at it and think about it especaily when you consider how home sims are actually used. Also the use of a specifc sim is in some ways as important as what it is , interms of how much its a direct "simulator" of a specifc thing and then a person would also have to define what specifc thing they are aiming to simulate which will of course be different for different use cases.

[@antjones2281]

Breaking News right here, all simulators are just video games. I'm sure there are plenty of upset people out there 😂

[@samuelvanlane]

Unsubscribed then re subscribed

[@marquisegoodwin2481]

you would have to be a rational minded, very reasonable person to understand this video. Because you make a very valid point.. the problem is 99% of sim racers won’t understand this video

[@xDriver69x]

@@marquisegoodwin2481 exactly. Elitists have to protect their fragile snowflake egos.