At One Point Dutch Was Actually Suspicious Of Micah - Red Dead Redemption 2

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[@robrichporter4891]

There’s been few times throughout the game where Dutch got suspicious of Micah because he pushed too hard. Dutch just chose to be willfully ignorant.

[@dar_dar3655]

Micah was a yes man and Dutch liked his ego getting stroked

[@uckbritley1305]

@@dar_dar3655 I think part of it was Dutch was slowly loosing his mind as things kept spiralling downhill after blackwater. He desperately wanted the faith in himself to do the right thing to save his little kingdom he built, that he would accept any yesman or asskissers judgement over trusted friends and family like Arthur or John. He realizes that that in itself screwed him and the gang over in the end, which is why he leaves Micah and later kills him. But he's far too gone at that point for any sort of redemption

[@spikey288]

Dutch thought he was able to use micah.

[@AnthonyBlamthony]

@@uckbritley1305 exactly Dutch always did talk about “keeping the family together” and I always thought it would be much easier to actually disappear if a group of around 20 people weren’t traveling everywhere around the county😂

[@AnthonyBlamthony]

Dutch really did like having his little kingdom, you can tell he just loved it when Milton walked into Clemens Point and his “knights” were willing to kill for him. Or when Charlies sacrifices himself as a distraction at Saint Denis “I love that man” ya when his willing to die for him

[@edd4131]

The way Micah calls Dutch amazing, as if it pains him to give another man such praise is some damn good voice acting.

[@drdrimes]

You're right, he's a really good actor, not a voice actor. Roger Clark has said that 85% of his work on RDR2 was Motion Capture. The point still stands though, Micah is a piece of shit but a goddamn badass one

[@josephstalin2606]

The way he says it is so insincere too especially when you already know what he does later in the game. It’s like a complete psychopath trying to blend in among the gang and it’s like he only says what he thinks he’s supposed to say instead of what’s actually on his mind

[@snooppp8873]

to me, it sounded more like he wanted to laugh while he was calling him amazing.

[@Furymgs3]

@@snooppp8873 I think the idea is that he's trying to put some emotion and faked awe in his voice, but just sound super insincere because he doesn't really know what it actually feels like. He's going by observation and trying to imitate people he has no respect for to get in Dutch's good graces, and it falls flat, like Joseph said. Dutch is the only person Micah wouldn't openly mock, since he's actively sucking up to him for his own purposes.

[@stevenwoods5787]

its less not wanting to give him praise, and more being the manipulative, lying asshole piece of shit that he is

[@dar_dar3655]

"Yo-u're, you're...amaz-ing" 🥺👉👈 -Micah Bell the third, 1899

[@CharlieOsoo]

Wow. I’m so inspired. 😭

[@prince.amadeo]

OwOOOOO notice me senpai dutch-kun 🥺👉👈

[@pimpdoggo4776]

@@prince.amadeo your reply basically sums up Micah for the entire game

[@sarah44_equ]

@@prince.amadeo JSKANS PLS💀✋🏼

[@canadiandemo9073]

lmao

[@lumbagolosis]

I used to think Micah was secretly gay for Dutch bc of hearing shit like this.

[@stevehat3]

There’s supposedly, according to the guy who voiced Micah, an Easter egg of Dutch and Micah slow dancing in the moonlight romantically that you can stumble upon but he also said that to find it was very difficult to find because it only took place under certain events and a certain time in the game.

[@lumbagolosis]

@@stevehat3 What... The... Fuck....

[@stevehat3]

@@lumbagolosis yeah right weird. But it makes more sense as to why Dutch suddenly couldn’t give a shit about Molly and why he was so trusting of everything Micah said. That was his boo.

[@xman6879]

@@stevehat3 are you 100% sure? Because I kinda already thought that. and can I find where he said this?

[@icecream4you161]

@@stevehat3 You don't actually believe that, do you? Peter is a method actor, you know.

[@samulivainionpaa9338]

1:17 i can only imagine Arthur having the same face as he did at Aberdeen pig farm, when the true nature of the couple came out, as he is listening to Micah

[@patrickhebdo5423]

yer…yer… *yer alright boah*

[@mrfearedexe]

( •▪︎ •) ......

[@guitarman0365]

such a small moment but i agree that little back and forth eye movement he does figuring out the incest part is hilarious and a nice touch for a video game that didn't have to be so focused on the expression.

[@nexus6mc2182]

I like how when Micah tries to sound nice and convincing, he actually ends up sounding even creepier

[@Muscle_Chan]

Dutch always thought he could use Micah. If you look at his character it's his defining feature, he uses Arthur's brutality and Hoseas wisdom. He used Molly's comfort and Mary Beth's attention when he tired of Molly. He thought he could play the Braithwaites and Grey's, he thought he could use Bronte. Dutch was suspicious of Micah in the beginning because everyone else was loyal to him, once Arthur, John and everyone else started to question him he saw that his grip on them was weakened. His ability to use Arthur became less and less plausible so slowly he started to shift his loyalties to whoever was willing to go along with his plans and not ask questions. Dutch never truly cared for anyone. He was a narcassist, half covert half grandiose. His loyalty was never for love or commitment or history or shared bonds, it layed in usefulness.

[@vegito9019]

I don't really think so. He was completely debastated with Hosea and Molly, people even want to believe he became crazy. He could've killed Arthur and John many times, John in both games. I like to think that at the end of the game (RDR1) you see how he tried, and could've killed many many times John, but something inside him, inside his vicious and destructive mind was telling him to not do so. He could've killed John pretty easily on the top of that mountain, on the top of both mountains acutally at the end of both games, but he never did. There was still some love inside him. I also think that Dutch wasn't ''bad'' as we may get, neither is anyone you can name, even Micah seems to have been raised to be a sociopath. That's what Tolkien says, and that's what I believe.

[@okMasq]

It’s funny because Arthur never once disobeyed Dutch, he followed every single order for 20 whole years and Dutch didn’t give a shit about him 😭

[@castiglioni655]

@@vegito9019 I like to believe that too, but I also think that he never wanted to live a "normal" life, that he always liked the life of an outlaw One way or another I love Dutch as a character, pretty amazing antagonist

[@christopherandersson5082]

It became that after blackwater and steadily grew worse and worse. The same man who ordered you to save Sean and would go out in a snow storm at the beginning of the game wasnt the same one who left John, Arthur, and Abigail. Once he kept experiencing failure something pretty new to him his messiah complex shattered and he had to either say people are traitors/useless and making his plans go bad or admit that he’s not a bandit Jesus able to take these people to their salvation of freedom

[@TheOtherBradBird]

Narcissists are the first people to believe their own bullshit. Framing them as calculating masterminds isn't often accurate.

[@arthurmorgan8756]

Dutch when there's a rat: I sleep Dutch when someone dislikes Evelyn miller: *REAL SHIT*

[@irvinalexanderflores]

Micah acting like a hard core simp for Dutch

[@TheEmpiresStrongest]

Dutch actually being suspicious of Micah? I thought I would never see the day!

[@eds1942]

There was another conversation at Horseshoe, I think, where Micah was trying to talk Dutch into going with him back to Blackwater to get their money. Afterwards Arthur will tell Dutch something like, “Don’t trust him” and Dutch replies “I’m not a fool Arthur”.

[@Revan498]

Theres also a scene where Micha tries to get Dutch to tell him where to find the Blackwater stash...

[@eds1942]

He also had Dutch’s wanted poster and a news paper article about the gang’s activities near the Blackwater area prior to his meeting Dutch.

[@johnkaluse6951]

@@eds1942 that scene can happen in Clemens point too...I saw it happen either in one of my videos or whilst just playing off screen so far I only seen it those too places

[@johnkaluse6951]

@@eds1942 wait what? Elaborate maybe?

[@icecream4you161]

"You're just afraid of opening your mind because you might not like what you find." And you opened your mind Dutch, just not soon enough.

[@Anonymous-xe3kk]

the way Micah stuck his arm in the air and kinda swung around. Ive always noticed he displays a lot of childlike behavior. we know he already has some kind of mental illness, and a bad father, but a lot of people seem to leave out his ‘unusual’ behavior and childlike ways. but i think that’s important to note for a character like this

[@MIKE2111ful]

Yeah also when he tries to flirt w Abigail or Mary Beth he approached them like 13 year old would

[@raiden6428]

I dont think he has a mental illness he is just greedy

[@josephstalin2606]

He also lacks all empathy and is constantly lying and manipulating others. Not to mention the senseless violence like brutally murdering men, women, even children. I think Micah is a psychopath and a lot of his behavior is usually him mimicking other people like he’s always putting on an act instead of being himself around the gang

[@josephstalin2606]

@@MIKE2111ful He doesn’t feel any real emotions for them besides lust so of course he’s going to be awkward. He doesn’t care about them as people he only sees them as objects for pleasure

[@bradleyprice8886]

@@josephstalin2606 that’s real funny coming from you Stalin

[@jonahnolastnameneeded3130]

0:12 the way he approached Dutch is just straight creepy

[@farisfaizzal9825]

Yup.

[@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut]

How I approach my step daughter after a few drinks

[@For_Fun.537]

@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut funny

[@Johnnysmithy24]

@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut b r u h

[@KOHoxton]

@@JinroTheCorpse I study psychology a lot, and a lot of bad people are usually very eccentric, including myself. Ngl, it helps you get what you want. On top of distracting people and taking away from any flaw or hole your manipulation could have.

[@dylanpetrin9584]

Holy hell Micah actually changed his clothes for once… well his pants atleast

[@alrightthen.8481]

I beated the whole game just in the gunslinger outfit

[@Matthewgaming20]

His boots and he has a red vest on this outfit as well

[@icepick957]

Most of the characters don’t?

[@Abed_LiLlah]

@@alrightthen.8481 If you ever drop the hat, then it's just a custom outfit

[@nlrenzo9432]

What about dutch lol

[@Zz0Z79]

Micah is flirting with dutch

[@Zz0Z79]

@UCSgtp0IkEZe8LRWz-gOe_tg oh dutch he is a gay

[@CustodialRuby58]

Hahaha

[@NotoriousMcGregor]

I Don’t blame him

[@Zz0Z79]

@@NotoriousMcGregor dutch is... Kinda seggsy ngl

[@NotoriousMcGregor]

@@Zz0Z79 he’s taken don’t get excited.🤫🤫

[@babygrind7382]

As much as you hate Micah he had of the craziest missions in the game

[@IvanIsYda_]

True-he and Arthur made one of the most badass teams. Such a shame he was an a-hole

[@landondow]

Yep, Micah was an absolutely beautifully written character, he's extremely smart and cunning, as well as an amazing gun man to, and the missions and dialouge with him that keeps him mysterious is just perfect

[@farisfaizzal9825]

@@landondow he was kinda a badass tho. Shame that he is a traitor

[@spikey288]

That's... Why I hate him.

[@alrightthen.8481]

@@spikey288 you can keep playing your boring charles hunting missions then

[@Pongus_420]

Dutch saying "He must be after something" realigned my chakras

[@Zz0Z79]

Evylen miller the sussy feller

[@cheesegeek_2853]

sussy baka

[@kurts_shotgun3456]

You’re either a smart fella or a fart smella

[@nilkotheswagbro]

​@cheesegeek_2853 go back to 2020

[@Zz0Z79]

@@nilkotheswagbro dumb ahh this was like late 2020

[@robertdevito5001]

1:06 The natural response to what Dutch said would be “don’t sell yourself so short, Dutch” What Micah said was just creepy and weird.

[@MattII33]

As someone who likes to experience as much as they can in a video game it kinda bothers me how much missable dialogue there is lol

[@sassykat2587]

Same. Here I was thinking I'd returned to camp to hear everything, but oh no... Time to go back on a dishonorable pt, lol.

[@zeked4200]

You gotta hang around camp more. Not just long enough to eat, save and change clothes. Which is basically what I did my first time through...and why I missed pretty much all of this extra dialouge. Walk into the middle of camp...and just stand there for a while. You'll hear the conversations start up...

[@HelldiverHusky2077]

He even walks like a slithering snake too

[@Scorp316]

Micah comes so close to being killed so many times throughout the game, either by opening his mouth in public, pissing off a not-yet-sick Arthur, or pissing off anyone else. It’s honestly amazing his own horse didn’t shoot him.

[@corenasue]

His Horse shoots his leg with a shotgun "Hey how's the leg huh huh how's the leg oh you wanna race adhaaa adhaaa."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mrwilson6106]

Pretty sure Arthur lived out all his nine lives too.

[@shadowagent6051]

Dutch:"don't get weird on me Micah,you know how Molly is jealous" 😂

[@HummingbirdSound]

Dutch knew from the beginning what kind of person Micah was, and it's the reason he actually decided to keep him around. He represents Dutch's brutal and treatrous side, which comforted Dutch in some way by giving the pretext to justify his ruthlessness and ever growing selfishness (pursuing his own interest more than the one of his kin). He needed someone like Micah to confirm that bad guys often obtain more for themselves (and their family, by extension) than nice guys do. Only it got out of hand and he fell under Micah's spell, which had a very bad influence on Dutch and pushed (directly or indirectly) his dark side to develop past any reasonable measure, to the point of no return. Dutch realised that in the end, but it was too late. He lost his family, his best friend, his favourite son, and everything he fought for in his life. And this is why Micah's death didn't give him solace and redemption, but only sealed his fate even more in realising that he became the monster he always thouht his family to stay away from. He made himself an outcast of his own pack and anchored himself in the most wicked part of his soul, which, at this point, became irredeemable, as he saw himself at that point too desilusoned and bitter to ever be able to make the journey back, thus fully giving in to evil. It's one on the most powerful tragedies written in contemporary litterature.

[@eds1942]

Micah was also giving Dutch the praise that he wanted. And I think that on some level, he admired Micah’s violent high risk for big gains nature. Dutch knew that he was playing with a viper, and he liked it, he just hadn’t figured that out yet.

[@truthone25]

l though people knem that arthur wes dutch's micah before micah came along and we see that in the game like the time he refused to help the germen women who her husband wes kidnapped l hate to say that but arthur wes a micah who doesn't want to destroy the gang

[@imtoxiq_]

Well fucking said couldn’t agree more

[@planescaped]

Micah could do the dirty work while Dutch kept his hands clean.When times were good Micah's bootlicking had no effect on Dutch, but when things got bad, Dutch needed anyone he could get, and he found solace in Micah still being "loyal".

[@senshiserenity7088]

Beautifully said hummingbird. Just amazingly said. You know I often Hope to come across statements like this regarding who Dutch is as a person. Who he was and who he later on becomes. And the causes and influences behind it. It's not very often I come across people who honestly get and see it for what it is like I do you literally took the words out of my mouth. The light side of Dutch and the Darkness of Dutch are very both true people. There are people who feel like Dutch has always been this evil insane person and then the good Dutch we know while he may be a criminal he has this loving side he has morals and boundaries. Both of these personalities is who Dutch really is the Jackal and the hide they are both very real people within his mind. Mr. Hyde and him is giving birth to buy everything he lost. The good Dutch had nothing to live for so that side of him died with his family. Allowed a rat to infiltrate his game and influence that side of himself.

[@Voxded]

Why does Micah sound like a stalker when he tells Dutch he is amazing

[@hawk66100]

Because he’s gay for Dutch.

[@Voxded]

@@hawk66100 facts

[@kevinnorris6558]

Dutch is right, Micah was after something. Man wanted some cake, and there's no bakeries near Valentine

[@packofjokers]

Dutch. He somehow manages to insult with the greatest compliments.

[@erikbouma9408]

Ahhh yes the beginning of the game where Dutch still spoke wisely and realistic……

[@koolaid33]

Micah trying to give Dutch a sloppy toppy with a twist with the words he's saying.

[@blowmanuts9584]

The more stuff I see about dutch and Micah before saint Denis, the more I feel that brain injury theory.

[@quirkypurple3]

there’s a reason why the strange man mentions in rdr1 that dutch killed heidi mccourt violently. he’s been crazy for a long time, it just started getting worse

[@imtoxiq_]

What’s the theory?

[@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015]

@@imtoxiq_ at the trolley station robbery near the end of Chapter 4, when the trolley crashes Dutch hits his head REALLY hard. The theory (which I also believe) is that he suffered a massive brain injury, as we know that brain trauma easily leads to personality shifts. The head trauma was compacted by Hosea, his best friend, being slaughtered right in front of him and the heat/sun stroke that everyone seemed to suffer from when they washed ashore on Guarma. To sum it all up, the theory is that he suffered enough physical and psychological trauma between the end of chapter 4 and all of chapter 5 that he developed total insanity. I find this MUCH easier to believe than him just turning evil after 20+ years.

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

@@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015 As a wise man once said "all it takes is one bad day."

[@bettyjones5838]

And there's Micah digging his way into Dutch's head with the way he's deifying him.

[@yaboy804]

There exist a timeline where Dutch didn’t go crazy, and I want to play that timeline

[@anujme3]

This game was depressing roller coaster. I knew it from the moment of his old flames quest so honor just went out of window for me

[@ElMarko6994]

The way he fucked with Sadie after what she had just been through made me not like him from the jump

[@chief5604]

Micah: *Got arrested after trusting a person that betrayed him* Dutch: Arthur, you need to get Micah out of jail, He'S a FiNe MaN John: *Got arrested and rumor of him getting hanged* Dutch: We'll get him out, just, not now Arthur: *Breaks him out* Dutch: ARTHUR! You disobeyed me! Arthur and Charles: *Helped poor indians* Dutch: WHAT THE?! Micah: *Brought 2 people that Dutch and all the gang members don't even know about* Dutch: Yeah! 2 more gunslingers!

[@Panamaniax507]

arthur asking him to go and work after the convo was funnier than it shouldve been

[@GhostyHomie]

1:19 Dude, just kiss him already.

[@TheHufflepuffSaint]

"Micah, you must think I'm a piece of bread in need of buttering." - what Dutch should've said.

[@SH-rs3zw]

micah was the impostor yet arthur got ejected

[@pimpdoggo4776]

Amogus moment

[@BigHappysPlace]

Micah used Dutch's logic against him. we never know what conversations happened while Arthur was not around.

[@shnubdawg7730]

The bottle going “pop” after Micah said Dutch was amazing.

[@taesdrugdealer4458]

1:14 why tf did micah sound so distressed 💀😭

[@scottredmond6406]

Dutch adored people who praised him, he hated John from the start because John was the person who was most suspicious and disaggreable with Dutch from Chapter 2 til the very end

[@joegonzales4580]

I came back to camp once and Dutch told me “I suspect you’ll betray me in the end Arthur” and I was like damn he can see the future

[@haydeng3541]

That's not what happens though, that's just how Dutch sees it. Which makes that moment even creepier

[@OK-jz7xy]

Dutch once cared for the gang

[@farisfaizzal9825]

He just doesn't care after Hosea's death

[@gatesy8190]

A long time ago…

[@OK-jz7xy]

@@farisfaizzal9825 pretty much

[@OK-jz7xy]

@@gatesy8190 In a galaxy far away...

[@michaeljohn6357]

They’ve definitely explored each other’s bodies

[@jackashmore]

0:12 he’s flying in like a vulture

[@wissemaljazairi]

The first occurrence of a flying rat

[@AyubuKK]

Dutch knew all along and he didn’t want to admit it to himself.

[@justintrinh3699]

Micha was never in horseshoe overlook for me. I always rescued him last, and by that time we were in Rhodes

[@WanderingIdiot81]

Good times! I always wait as long as possible to do micah missions

[@DullCavemans]

I made that kinda outfit and thought that “Wow this a pretty unique outfit” and apparently everyone uses it

[@franktheavocado7573]

on my 3rd playthrough and just saw this last night again.......i truly think dutch was running a eternal con on everyone, he didnt fight micah hard enough for someone who claimed to have loved arthur like a son

[@yann_cpgnc6440]

When in the Rhodes camp, Dutch suddently told me that he felt that Arthur was going to betray him, and then he said he didn't know why but he felt it and didn't like it. It hit hard

[@neveroutofbounds3401]

the subtle nuances...i hadn't had this interaction yet and just and it just adds so many layers..maybe Dutch was gonna shoot him at the end even if John,Sadie and Charles hadn't decided to crash the party...The scene where he leaves Micah as Arthur passes makes clear sense now..he had put the clues together at that moment they, all went their separate ways but the lust of revenge on that dirty rat Micah set everything in motion again..epic story

[@GigaTrap6000]

"Well... You're amazing..." It sounds like a proposal tbh🤣

[@youtubeman2001]

1:26 “Smile” what’s with that? LMAO

[@gatesy8190]

Micah really knows how to win a man 😏

[@imajsstove2907]

This is one of the rare times we actually see Micah with black pants instead of his usual beige pants

[@HEKVT]

I never got this encounter because you could choose to not rescue Micah until chapter 3. That's why Chapter 2 was the best.

[@chrisgraham8410]

1:04 that was the most truthful thing Dutch has said the whole game.

[@BlueFusion2910]

Micah so awkwardly compliments Dutch

[@doughboywhine]

Micah could have made it a lot less weird if he just said "you're a leader" instead

[@sleepingmonster1632]

Well what Arthur said that Micah is even dumber than him so he can't think that.

[@gavinsfriend3643]

You know Micah is lying when he says "You know..."

[@Lucas02000]

Thats alot of ppl, ive noticed do that

[@loganwatson5905]

I was really hoping afterwards Arthur would just say “that was kinda gay”

[@austincoz364]

The more i learn about this story, the more i realize that it only works because they made Dutch trust Micah. Nothing about Dutch or his past says he should trust Micah. He just does. t's so off character that it's weird. The opposite of plot armor.

[@whatinthefudge5346]

Bad writing

[@see_me_hori1807]

theres a theory that dutch hit his head in a train cart and it fastens his descent into madness and since micah was the only once that never asked 'why are we doing this?' or 'what are we gonna do dutch' and so he took micahs boot licking as loyalty the crazy bastard

[@shadows_star]

Its not really bad writing. He goes off the rails as the game goes on and things get worse and worse. Hosea was the sensible reason on Dutches shoulder and without that, he made bad decision after decision. He had a whole speech on why leaving John was the right call and so he couldn't backtrack when John proved to be alive or be forced to confront all the denials and justifications he gave prior to the group, thus he had to pick the group opinion for his validation. He looks weak otherwise. If he just didn't change at all through the course of the game, I'd say it was bad writing for him to flip and trust Micah, but he's shown to be paranoid and it only gets worse through the game as things go south, and doubting those closest to him when they question him, Micah never does that. He's a yes man. Dutch has a clear and gradual development towards where the decision he makes at the end makes sense based on the progression of his character into insanity and uncertainty.

[@origulator]

I love his lil airplane walk at the start, idk why but theres a lot to it.

[@upamorgan1695]

"-You got such a chip on your shoulder don't ya." Arthur-I got chips, you like chips?

[@seir5633]

Honestly i'm really admired Dutch .. but after Hosea die Dutch became Dumb/short thinking and also Selfish maybe .. Hosea Wisdom has big impact to Dutch

[@jarlboof]

Yeah he just lost it

[@rottensquid]

It's like Pete Campbell and Don Draper. "A man like you, Don, I'd gladly follow into battle blindfolded." "Let's take it a little slower, Campbell. I don't want to wake up pregnant."

[@Franklin-fp9nk]

"Yo-u're, you're...amazing" The simp is real

[@texasturner2313]

Apparently, Micah was sexually attracted and Dutch must’ve given Micah what he was after, if you know what I mean, because Dutch soon takes his side.

[@Jc-Jaco]

You're ..You're... You're amazing oni-chan like wtf was that micah is gay or something

[@AntiDegenerate1971]

@@Jc-Jaco there were no gay people in 1899 son. Gays are a modern invention of degeneracy.

[@pleaseenteraname6590]

I realized that as soon as you start to suspect Micah ever question you have just clicks into place

[@Jerry_41-w6x]

I moved to the 2nd camp and micha still isn’t back I’m avoiding his mission after the prison break on purpose

[@AdriCr4ft]

The way he says amazing had me in tears 😂

[@JasonL77]

Hey, Micah, you got something on your nose there.

[@rj45ac]

I think Dutch knew for a long time. He's just in survival mode since then, and for him, his way is the only way.

[@DoujaFeva]

the way Micah glazes Dutch has to be studied😂😂

[@gremlininblue2601]

Had a dream last night that I (as Arthur) killed Micah and covered up the murder. Man, wish that was an option in the actual game

[@thetexanbuzzsaw3145]

Welp, Micah’s gay. You know what that means… GAE ZONE!!!!!!

[@legionofthree4754]

this is part of the reason i think dutch suffered a brain injury after the trolly crashed in saint denis, he acted way different before.

[@justsomeguy747]

Dutch was probably thinking that Micah had his own agenda at the time because the situation was very uncertain to him. He didn't know what the future held in store for him, the gang..... When Hosea died, perhaps he thought "Hmm, if the law killed my best friend, I can also end up like that.... unless I find some similar minded indivduals that won't question me as I try to get where I need in order to survive". John and Arthur questioned him a lot, and Dutch became paranoid after Bronte's betrayal. He was certain that there was a rat, that the law was actually going to succeed in its duty to apprehend the gang once and for all, and most importantly, that he needed money for his own survival. Micah continued to feed him that they needed money and needed to acquire it by any means, and screw over everyone who they want, even if they are gang members, because in Micah's eyes those members were disloyal, and because Dutch was weakened mentally and became delusional, he clinged on Micah for support. What Dutch thought, became Micah's thoughts that Micah had Dutch make his own reality. He probably did his best to think straight as the stress wasn't that strong back then. But after the bank, Guarma, Bronte, Molly and everything else, Micah manipulated his mind into thinking that John was really disloyal. Micah played Dutch like a fiddle, and Micah was ultimately after the same thing as Dutch at the time - survival and money. Maybe they both crave action at the same rate at some point in their lives as well, especially after Micah's death.

[@Bucketgetter215]

Micah “we should go back to black water and collect the money “

[@lordoftheyeehaw]

“Slimy BOOTlicker... ...WELP, I should get back to it 🤠”

[@leoaguado4992]

- well you're more than that dutch, you're AmAziNg. - sitck your tongue out of my ass Micah, I need to fart.

[@anyabsentjarl6196]

I had a encounter at clemens point where Micah says I ain't gonna rob you just send me to blackwater

[@gamejester.]

Love how you antagonized Micah and didn't defuse.

[@corekronoverse396]

never felt so uncomfortable listening a conversation. ever

[@airitindeparrotin6018]

The problem was Dutch owed Micha fir his life. Everyone else owed Dutch their own. Dutch lost at his own damn game and it shows. Plus, from all his philosophical readings, its clear that he never wanted to just seek amd find wisodm, he wanted the continue seeking and find "freedom" as he raed to Molly, Mary-Beth and Arthur. Settling down was everyone else's dream. His was a twisted romantic fantasy. Tell them what they want to hear so you wont be running alone. Micha was a paracite, leeching off of a gang that was doing pretty well. He said himself many times he preferred a small group and wanted people chopped off. He could have left, but he didn't. He manipulated the manipulator with his own survivalist logic. Narcissistic, sociopathic logic. There is a method to the madness, but the toll is every death there after.

[@benwilkinson6589]

I always thought it would have been a better plot if John was the rat. Dutch alludes to this in Guarma, and it would have left the decision to help John save his family versus leave them to fend for themselves more impactful, knowing that Dutch had indeed gone mad and John was getting out for good reasons. There was plenty of setup to it being John, him disappearing for a year, the way Arthur acts around him etc - plus it would have redefined our perceptions of the first game. That the only reason he has a family was because he ratted. And then you have to play as him in the epilogue. The emotional conflict would have been immense. Micah could have still been an extra rat after Guarma, but him being it all along was just kinda.. too obvious.

[@fkskyz]

1:12 I just love the awkward silence after that, like umm Micah, kinda sus bro

[@joshuahughes5761]

Luckily i completed the game in chapter 2, Micahs rotting in jail and the camps happy

[@imadrifter]

hE mUsT bE aFtEr sUmTiN.....

[@Dontbeafraid459]

Dutch : Evelyn Miller. Micah : That old windbag ? Dutch : And I took that personally.

[@timesnewlogan2032]

I think the smartest thing Dutch ever said was in the first mission: "Oh, you fool, Micah!"

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

1:14 man, I know a guy on discord who acts just like that to the host of that server. He’s a racist too, maybe that’s just how they act.

[@natlik5326]

Oh my can't believe I found another dialogue I totally missed! This game's still surprising me man. Also can we talk about Rat's you're amazing? Bro it was so funny that ugly ass bastard was trying so hard to say it lmaoooo 😭😭😭😭 and Dutch was like 👁️_👁️...

[@LilPitbuII]

Never seen this interaction before, never knew micah would go that far for riding on Dutch’s ego like that 🤷🏾‍♂️ 0:55 , 1:15

[@ryan4372]

I want to know why he had to hide out in strawberry. We are never told. Ps if you go back to his camp after he returns, he has a Dutch wanted poster. Which is so weird.

[@ElMarko6994]

I think he was a rat long before when Milton said he was

[@mitchwhite6826]

It is explained. He couldn't stay in town after what he and Arthur had just done after the jailbreak. Before that he was just in town with Lenny before he got arrested. They weren't staying there.

[@Bacxaber]

@@ElMarko6994 There's a theory that he's an O'Driscoll spy. He wears the same leather jackets as they do, he set up the "peace meeting", etc.

[@adriannefrias8563]

Try closing your eyes and listening to this.

[@AKSHAT-zl4bn]

It becomes apparent when Micah earned Dutch’s trust when u do Micah’s missions

[@GTAIVenjoyer]

You know in a way the update that added pajamas to gang members at night can be considered single player DLC for rdr2..

[@stonesupermaster]

This talk always make me furious at the edge of throwing the damn phone away. 10/10 game