Ateez Cultural Appropriation, Fandom Racism, & Dark Past | Zico, Block B, KQ Entertainment/7 Seasons

[@AdeolaAsh]

KQ really thought we forgot who they used to be 😭🤡

[@ilovechefjohn7572]

True. I am also impressed by Hongjoons comment, but to be real. Comments like his from idols are a rarity even now. Sad thing is kpop culture is mass manufactured most everyone has even forgotten about the non apologies from other idols/companies who constantly use CA shamelessly. YG(BP,2ne1,iKon,Mino) SM too long a list...damn near every company and artist. And they can't say just black people are being sensitive about it. I see a lot of other cultures getting fed up with it too. Middle Eastern, Polynesian, South East Asian. They seem to show Cultural Appreciation when it comes to Latin cultures in terms of dance/lyricism. So they must know the difference.

[@uzomannorom1409]

actually kq is a subcompany of seven seasons, not seven seasons itself. it's like the black label being the a subcompany of yg entertainment.

[@1412SAX55]

@@uzomannorom1409 nah 7seasons changed name to kq in 2016. That's how they fooled everyone :( 7s basically didnt change just the paper work around.

[@bunmiabimbola4426]

​@@1412SAX55 No, actually. 7 season is a sublabel of KQ entertainment. Kq was formed to house both 7 season and kq produce. They didn't change anything just made a house company.

[@AdeolaAsh]

@@bunmiabimbola4426 at 6:25 you can see Seven Seasons announced themselves that they were changing their name. The main Seven Seasons company became KQ Entertainment and they developed new sub labels, KQ Produce and Seven Seasons, to be under them. It’s like how Big Hit changed their name to Hybe but still made a new sub company called “Big Hit” that is under Hybe and still handles BTS

[@CelebritityTea]

Why, do black people get dismissed whenever we speak up for our culture. We are called “ghetto”, but non black people are “Stylish”.

[@AdeolaAsh]

Because people don’t respect us as human beings

[@anjalisartistry870]

@@AdeolaAsh you look very good. All are equal before the god

[@buildbreesbod]

Excellent point. Non-whites rip off everything from Afro-Indigenous people. If we were not criticized about wearing natural hair, it would not be horrible for non-whites to emulate our clothing, hair, and dances.

[@soyoun.]

who is the person that told joon to play his own race in the end? we need more people like him in the korean entertainment industry

[@penidk]

I wanna know who he is

[@intakmaraj]

No but that part had me ROLLING

[@miricawilliams6819]

Honestly. And the fact that he said that immediately after hearing the blaccent made me respect him. Whoever he is.

[@chee518]

@@penidk it was Lee Jang Won

[@annapauladuraes7803]

Ruge respect

[@LoveAlwaysLexii]

Can Kpop entertainment companies stop calling them issues and just say that it was racist, discriminatory and appropriation?

[@AdeolaAsh]

That would require actual accountability and you know they hate that 🤣💀

[@LoveAlwaysLexii]

@@AdeolaAsh I know, idk if this sounds crazy but what if Kpop stans stopped streaming for a few months and buying things from them? Like I’m being serious right now, this could be historical.

[@AmanirenaII]

I kept hearing how the black Ateez fans were being harrassed by the rest of the fandom and I wanted to know why. Thank you for making this full breakdown!

[@AdeolaAsh]

Happy to help 🥰

[@slubin3821]

I just got into Kpop because of ATEEZ and I was in the dark about this whole situation since I don’t really have social media. I’m now just researching about racism and cultural appropriation in Kpop and I pray the very reason I got into Kpop isn’t the very reason why I leave. 😩 I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired.

[@AdeolaAsh]

Girllll fr same, I’m tired of being tired

[@theangryblonde00s]

So 4 months further, and despite KQ being lazy af for not editting out Honjoong's hair in the mv and foto's; I'm glad that in every performance they gave after their comeback, HJ's hair is not styled like that anymore. They kept their word so far.

[@caramelfrapz]

I hope it stays that way, I really like ateez.. like a lot

[@lauraaniakor9815]

I feel like all black kpop fans should just stop supporting kpop for a month just to see what happens. These companies and kpop idols will really learn then😒😒

[@szalonasam7858]

I totally agree

[@miyahwindle1353]

I wish black people would stop supporting all non-black companies for a few months just so everyone world wide can witness our true power. 💀😭 almost every company would go bankrupt while black companies flourish and that’s tea👏🏽

[@mimil.2606]

Lowkey feeling the same about that

[@modisedaeswatiniprincess6944]

Exactly Let's make this a movement

[@fiveronni]

As a black atiny, I voiced my sadness about the hairstyle and why it wasn't appropriate. When KQ released the statement, I felt better but not completely due to the fact they weren't going to really do anything about the hair. I spent a few days thinking about their statement and coming up with my own opinion on the matter. I didn't just want to agree with one specific side without doing my own research and thinking into it. I finally came to the conclusion to accept the apology, though I do not agree and will not tolerate cultural appropriation. The second I said my opinion on social media, I was attacked by so many people. They were calling me racist and selfish. It hurt to think that, as a person who's culture is being abused and ridiculed, I was called racist. I had people asking me to send proof that I was really black. Some other black atiny I'm close with had the same experience. We were being told how to feel by some people who weren't even black. I hate that people feel the need to speak for the black community. We have our own opinions and we don't always agree with each other. People need to realize we have minds of our own. All the black atiny who fought hard for more change with HJs hairstyle, I have so much respect for. Same with those who accepted the apology. Both sides are still human. I hate when people gatekeep and try to make decisions for others because they feel a certain way when it's opposing the popular side. I can only hope and pray that things change. And that KQ actually keeps their word and don't use things from other cultures again. Also why did people have to attack HJ? He's not the one who should be attacked and harassed. Honestly, no one should be attacked and harassed. I hope that in the future, people are more civil. Being aggressive and hateful will get us nowhere. Anyway, let's all work together to stop cultural appropriation in the kpop industry. 💙 and thank you for this video! I agree with a lot of your opinions and I'm glad you covered this. Keep it up!

[@AdeolaAsh]

Amen to everything you said. Also I’m sorry you had to go through that 😪♥️

[@leel.d.5010]

Amen I thought was the only one. People close to me said I was throwing fits and if I don't like it I should just leave. 👏🏾😣

[@lor4363]

Damn, play your own race. Who ever you are, you did a good job.

[@chee518]

It was Lee Jang Won who said that

[@buildbreesbod]

They play what sells. Black people should not support them.

[@aleezaytahir8186]

I'm sorry I'm not a black atiny but I'm Muslim and I understand your pain the kpop industry have used our religion for aesthetic as well I'm overall just very sorry that you had to tolerate this from the a mature and toxic atinys I also spoke up on the matter when I heard about it overall I'm just very sorry

[@mikaylamarspark5680]

Wow, I knew about Block B and Zico but I didn't know they were under KQ before it was KQ. This was very eye opening. After learning all of this it really makes me think "Did they set Hongjoong up?". I really wish ATEEZ wasn't under KQ because now I feel like they're gonna suffer for it because obviously KQ doesn't learn or care about black fans and that's not fair to ATEEZ. SMH

[@AdeolaAsh]

Exactly. KQ already knew how people felt about the hair. I’m convinced they did it for publicity via Black Outrage but it ended up backfiring on them. They probably thought it would pass because Zico still has a flourishing career. Ateez is more international than Zico right now though. So hopefully kq has seen such won’t work for them and won’t do it again, especially after making their blm statement. And I’m glad Ateez got to learn as well so they can also put their feet down if KQ tries to do anything similar.

[@mikaylamarspark5680]

@@AdeolaAsh Yeah. I really hope ATEEZ is able to continue to speak up Hongjoong did. I have so much respect for him doing that.

[@jm1r4cl35]

why are black stans always called “sensitive” or “haters” whenever we call out our idols? i was genuinely afraid of getting attacked if i commented on the thanxx music video about hongjoongs hair 😭

[@buildbreesbod]

They always want blacks to believe that we are less than them. It is a psychological tactic. Deny, deny, deny. They know they are wrong. I call them the " great imitators". These people can't create an original idea to save their lives. The American Constitution was stolen from the ideas of the Iroquois. Wp are theives and conmen.

[@mell_mendes]

Thanks God, nobody attacking ATEEZ 🙏

[@winifredeiomoaka568]

Man... The planet really be stealing from us huh 😔

[@blackberry8615]

Our hair is called ghetto and unprofessional but y’all wear it for fun. Like I don’t get it lol

[@xanjey17]

We literally get denied jobs because of our hair!!! But a white person or Asian could have the same hairstyle and it’s stylish. Make it make sense!!! Like this is so tiring and frustrating.

[@buildbreesbod]

The versatility of Black hair is phenomenal. They can't handle the fact that they can never master the texture, styles, nor the gravity defying components. " If we can't have it, we will makee you believe it is not worth having". Yeah, right. "MY skin is worshipped by sun and my hair defies gravity". My Black is beyond beautiful!

[@buildbreesbod]

@@xanjey17 Entreptreneurship is the key. Start your own business. I played the game for 28 years. I wore my hair straight. I'm retired but I wear it braided under wigs. This is only because of Covid. When I am around people, I don't want to think of the virus in my natural hair. I know. It is weird. I am not going to wash my hair daily. But, I will never straighten my hair again.

[@Minty-k5v]

Yeah this is so sad that’s why I don’t stan company big hit do the same thing , yg, sm, jyp and more I hope they learn the lesson 😞 ❤️

[@AdeolaAsh]

Praying on it!

[@AteezheadlinesMAWAZINE]

As a black Atiny here since pre-debut, I do think ATEEZ was sincere and I do think they're trying to learn. Hongjoong talked about race long before this mv however, CA was not a part of that as I don't think that ever crossed their minds. It was more in the sense of treating people as people. That cb was very ugly for multiple reasons. People always try to silence when it's CA. That's nothing new. I've been into kpop 8 years and most times, there's no apology at all. At the same time Hongjoong was getting death threats from all types of fandoms, another idol's picture was being circulated with braids and the comments from various fandoms was oh, sorry, don't call me a coon, he looks so good and of course non-blacks said how good that person's hair looked. What that showed me was people don't really care about CA. They simply cared about trying to make Ateez disband due to it. Some of the same people who claimed they were fans of ATEEZ and who were also Army, literally dragged Ateez and said people shouldn't stan them. I stanned BTS for over 5 years and recall many instances of BTS C/A and even worse the colorism so again, it showed that holding idols accountable and dragging idols only applied to certain groups. Personally I don't care about other races with braids However, in kpop I know it's just meant to imitate so I don't support it. There are literally other races in the US who wear braids and plaits because they feel it is a part of them. Certainly not talking about people like the Kardashians. Still, there is no reason why you need to throw on big ass gold chains, braids, grills to do hip hop music. I am a big hip hop fan but you wouldn't be able to tell that because black music should not have stereotypes. As for Korean labels, they need to stop using other cultures aesthetics and focus on their own. ATEEZ has done hip hop very well without trying to promote the stereotype so there was no need to go that route in Thanxx. If you love hip hop, do hip hop but stop trying to look the part, speak the part of something you are not.

[@kblola6616]

I'm a black atiny. I have twitter but not a "stan account." I just favorite and retweet whatever I want from my personal account, so I don't always see the ins and outs of the conversations but my friend sent me a tweet about the situation after I mentioned the CA in the promo pics to them and I went down the atiny twt rabbit hole and honestly, if I ever wanted a stan account, I'd be VERY wary of being mutuals with non-black atinys simply due to the way so many of them were interacting with other atinys. I am a grown woman with depression, anxiety, and PTSD that I even take medication for. I don't want to be arguing about the validity of my pain on Twitter. Especially not when my favorite ATEEZ songs are the ones that help ease my anxiety like Aurora and Sunrise. There's enough going on in my black ass life in the same year I was denied a job because I looked "unruly and unkept" with my perfectly done and moisturized braids, which I painstakingly did in order to appeal more to my prospective employer instead of wearing my curls out. Hahaha. HAHAHAHA. Love unemployment in a pandemic and then being told "its just hair" for me. 😊😊😊😊 To know that KQ/before KQ was KQ already had a history of culturally appropriating and the hairstylist herself had been dragged before for styling non-black asians with styles like cornrows and locs... yikes. That says something about how black people's pain is always low on the list of considerations when making decisions. It's true in music in and outside of kpop, true in the business world, and true in the social world. I'm disappointed (but not surprised) in many atinys whose tweets I used to find humorous or relatable and proud of the black atinys who helped KQ become ... aware (cuz it seems like they already KNEW)... and I'm glad that Hongjoong mentioned it himself in interviews and said that they will be more comprehensive in choosing their concepts in the future and that it will not happen again. That's the base of accountability and think that after all this, he knows us fans will blow up their email and social media accounts again and (some of us) will refuse to watch or stream whatever the content is. As we should. Anyways, thanks for the video! Have a good day and stay safe, doll 💋

[@AdeolaAsh]

First of all, I’m so so sorry about the job 😞 I hope you can find a place that will respect you!!! It’s so unfair what we as Black women have to go through with our hair especially in the work place 🤦🏾‍♀️ And same, I left stan twitter for the same reason. In addition to the threat to my safety, it wasn’t worth it being harassed over Kpop music that’s supposed to be making me feel better And as for the hairstylist, I didn’t know that but I’m not surprised 💀 I didn’t want to say anything in the video about it but Ateez’s backup dancers that are with them like every comeback, the team is called bbtrippin. I went to their individual pages and most of them had photos in cornrows, braids, etc. The dance team also does backup for Zico (no surprise there 💀). A few of the girls were the backup dancers for jessi’s recent video for nunu nana- cornrows, baby hairs, and all. Cultural appropriation is literally their thing. Considering these artists get dragged all the time for it, I know they know we don’t like it 😒

[@kblola6616]

@@AdeolaAsh Thank you! I hope I get something soon, too. There were people who found her IG account and we saw that has a history of this and I'm like... now y'all really considered the demographics of the fanbase... and still went with it? Pls 💀💀💀

[@smaina1499]

Keep talking your sh8t babe! Thank you for having the courage to speak on issues we see but push under the rug.

[@lsls8769]

So block b and ateez both under KQ? How did they recycle the same issue?

[@periwinkleadidas]

i love ateez and they have been my favorite group of all time, but as a black atiny (got into them way after the CA situation, like weeks ago) this is just another reminder that the things i sink my teeth into sometimes do not respect me at all, and its an unfortunate truth.

[@gingersnap22]

I have a question. Why the heck is this still an issue? This has been a continuing issue across the board in kpop for years now. For Gods sake, I'm white and I know the history of dreads and rows. To continue to do this and claiming ignorance is complete bullshit and it seems like every entertainment company release the same canned apologies. Let me make this easy for everyone. No dreads, no rows, no black face and no confederate flags. How would Koreans feel about having the Japanese rising sun flag on stage with an American band playing? You know, cuz they didn't know. Bull. This goes on and on to the point that I'm starting to believe it's a marketing ploy to draw attention to the band. After all, bad attention is still attention.

[@moonie2770]

What u just said ✨Faxxs✨👏

[@xanjey17]

👏🏽THEY👏🏽KNOW👏🏽WTF👏🏽THEY👏🏽BE👏🏽DOOOIINNNGG‼️‼️‼️ it’s 2021 now and we are not hearing the bs excuses and sorry dirt poor ass apologizes. WORDS DONT MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE‼️‼️ WE NEED TO SEE ACTIONS‼️

[@taesty_tt9191]

i had to argue and educate another black person about these braids “i’m black and i don’t see the problem “ that really throws me off -_-

[@atzlongjourney44]

Yeah that time wasn't fun for us blacktinys... Let's just hope for the best in the future

[@yejunrealgf]

Yeah it really wasn’t 😭😭

[@whatsaname4905]

People are really out here mocking and teasing black people but at the same time are appropriating their culture

[@MinSanWife]

If you think racism isn't a thing in Asia, but there is colorism which is deep root in anitblackness.

[@AdeolaAsh]

Anyone who thinks anti-blackness isn’t a thing in Asia is either misinformed or delusional.

[@MinSanWife]

@@AdeolaAsh I hope you know that I agree with you. I also want to say that anti-black rhetoric and white supremacy rhetoric are uphold in a lot of Asian culture but it’s not rooted in it because I found out about classism, which is very relevant into modern day society.

[@sune6708]

Once again, Korea boasts about its educational feats but remains ignorant in this category. How does that work

[@modisedaeswatiniprincess6944]

I swear they do this shit on purpose 💀

[@charlottem6624]

I can not even begin the imagine the frustration you guys must feel when you constantly see this stuff. I wish kpop was better

[@xanjey17]

It’s so frustrating and then it’s like damn we just want to love and support everybody but we get no respect 🥺

[@vera9203]

Hi! I know I’m really late to this but thank you so much for making this video. I’m a black atiny and was there when all of this is happening and seeing thing video made me so anxious. I remember how divided the fandom was back then and every time I logged on Twitter there would be another person I had to argue with it was exhausting. I’m happy that someone actually talked about it because I didn’t want it to get brushed under the rug like how a lot of their situations go. I felt better when kq released their statement but seeing the stuff about Zico I’m pretty sure they don’t mean it, but I really hope nothing like this happens again. In regards to hj’s apology I was really surprised. I have never seen a kpop idol apologize with their own words and not through a companies statement. Anyways, your videos are really entertaining and I’m glad you’re bringing light to serious issues that would’ve been ignore otherwise.

[@mimiandy1683]

Not related to ATEEZ, but this is something that has been in my head: a lot of non-black, international fans are also enjoying K-Pop because it's the first time they've listened to "hip-hop" without seeing black people involved.

[@hanabunin131]

zico is a whole mess omg- and he knows but bruh he still doesnt care... how can i be a fan of someone who knows what they're doing is wrong but they still dont care ... wth

[@sluppp]

I am sorry to black Atinys experiencing this shit yet again. It happens at least 10 times a year, that some group/artist/comany has to be "cool" and it shouldnt be normalized. To me Atinys were always a nice and supportive fandom and I am still sad about the fact, that so many fans acted this problematic. I hope this is the last time black ppl have to experience CA, but unfortunatly it doesnt seems like its going to stop soon. Lots of love and support

[@Saucy62087]

Black Atiny here. When I first saw the picture I knew the storm was coming. I didn't feel one way or another. I understand what people are fighting for. I knew it was inevitable. I appreciate their voices. It would at least be a foot note in history. Things that are important get forgotten. It's commercialized and distorted. I saw a tweet recently that praised the black Atiny who weren't upset. I wanted to comment. I didn't! I'm not silent because I am agreeing with you. I would like to fight until the end, just to say that I stood for us. I interesting enough I just couldn't come up with something that would change hearts and minds. I don't want to speak uselessly. All I saw was hubris. To end this I'll say; who are you to speak for someone else? Who are you to decide how someone should feel or react. Emotion is not based on statistics. I hope to never tell someone that their feelings are invalid. I hope to understand. I hope to give space to whatever is there and come to peace. If you're first thought is to fight. I only asks why are you so defensive?Attacking is doing you no good. Maybe you can drown out the opposing voices, but what then? You've defended something vile. Now that is who you are. I'm just saying this because I had to say something.

[@Saucy62087]

A blunt way. I agree with what you are saying. I don't care about context. I've taken over this now and you have no say. Take it and don't voice any opinion. I've not seen anyone say it's not appropriation. All I've seen is that it dosen't matter.

[@AdeolaAsh]

The defensiveness gets me too. And that’s when you know they know it’s something bad or otherwise, they wouldn’t be trying to hide or deflect from it. If it’s just hair, why do they so badly want to say it’s “Dutch braids” and not cornrows? Why do they boost the handful of Black people who say they’re not defended but harass the masses of Black people who say they are offended? They would rather silence others than hold their faves accountable at the end of the day

[@imalive6583]

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[@deejah4529]

I wanna Stan Ateez but I'm doing my research first ALWAYS research yall

[@tsunami3156]

Every race but black people get to be appreciated and respected for loving kpop and don't get offended even though every single genre of music basically plagiarizes our ideas. Think about it; blues, jazz, r&b, hiphop, edm, and now kpop. I'm not trying to make anyone who is not black feel bad, but we deserve better. Why do ALM supporters not include black people too? When will we be acknowledged for the things we invented? When will black people finally be able to get the full respect and acknowledgment we deserve? We should be able to enjoy any genre without being uncomfortable. At least Hongjoong apologised with sincerity and seriousness unlike other idols who brush it off as a joke. When I play Koop songs aloud some times, my mom literally points out who they sampled it from. They are mostly black singers and rappers from the 90s. I'm not saying that they can't use the music, but I am saying that you should at least acknowledge who created this type of music. I would appreciate that a lot. I'm trying my hardest not to give up kpop.

[@AdeolaAsh]

K-Pop isn’t going to stop being problematic anytime soon. If you choose to continue consuming it, you’ll have to expect the disrespect to come along with it. You’re better off ignoring them than asking for support you’ll never get, as ripping off Black culture is what kpop is built off of. I wouldn’t say every other race gets respected/appreciated by K-Pop as they’re racist to and appropriate other demographics as well, Black fans just get it the most often. Some kpop idols acknowledge Black influence, but then still turn around and be disrespectful. It’s twisted

[@SKZness8]

I wish I had the patience to make a video like this, but I get overwhelmed easily and give up... Id like to make videos like this about CA and racism towards Native Americans in Kpop/fandoms. Bloop.

[@priscilla8068]

It's 3 years later but I'm hoping you finally get the strength to make those videos. We all deserve to be heard and respected

[@smnwave528]

I realized I belonged to a shitty fandom when atinys judged me by asking for apologies and for them to delete it.

[@midzy3607]

this video was very informative!!! i listened to one of their songs a couple days ago and i rlly liked it, but as a black kpop stan i needed to research abt their past before i decided to get attached. thank you for this video

[@mynewollabilyne4004]

God "I need to research about their past before I decided to get attached" is such a sad sentence, the fact that you felt you had to do that says alot about the kpop industry and it's depressing as fuck

[@TharunikaRamesh-]

The irony. You just are not able to get attached to some kpop group you love but later get disappointed because of their ignorance. That's sad, to accept the fact that's how terrible this side of kpop is

[@TharunikaRamesh-]

@@mynewollabilyne4004 yes exactly

[@dawnlynn6638]

It's heartbreaking to hear how black Ateez fans were treated when they were just speaking up about the appropriation and their feelings and their culture and how they were hurt by it. And the fact that some had blm in their bios but still continued to call black Ateez fans racist slurs is so disgusting and not what someone does if they really cared about black lives matter. I think Hongjoong's response was pretty good compared to other kpop idols, it's just sad he had to go through this to realise they need more education

[@misnickyvl]

I jus want to say, I have watched a few of your videos now and I’m really impressed. You have done your research so thoroughly and you present it really nuanced. Apart from that I want to thank you for educating me and other non-black people on this issue. It’s brushed off so much honestly. But anyways, I’ve learned a lot from your videos and I’m really looking different at some groups and companies now. So yeah, thanks!

[@sannie4854]

This situation were one of the hellish things i've ever seen. I'm so sorry for all black atinys who suffered with it, i promise a lot of us aren't like that

[@xanjey17]

👏🏽THEY👏🏽KNOW👏🏽WTF👏🏽THEY👏🏽BE👏🏽DOOOIINNNGG‼️‼️‼️ it’s 2021 now and we are not hearing the bs excuses and sorry dirt poor ass apologizes. WORDS DONT MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE‼️‼️ WE NEED TO SEE ACTIONS‼️

[@laylaaali3482]

please i was in the dark about this and i was just getting into them 😐😐i’m so mf tired

[@lonamisa834]

WOW if someone say something about K-pop then they're racist but what about them? I literally don't like K-pop being an Indian I feel bad for black people I can't even imagine how bad they feel about all these things..

[@goldglitter1234]

Same, I just found out how stereotypical kpop idols are towards Indians, and I am definitely not happy. I feel so bad for black people because without them, Kpop wouldn’t be as successful

[@Cherrx18]

At this point, I don’t even see why black kpop stans keep on trying to get these idols to apologize or even change the concept, when it’s not gonna happen. They give you lame ass apologies from the company lmao

[@seempt]

Hello! It's almost 1 and half year later and I think KQ really are being careful now and been starting to care in not doing such problematic thing like CA. They are really doing a great job. But, despite that, I really wanted to apologized for the hate you received from those immature atinys. Idk this was a thing way back then, but It honestly hurt me too when i learned this now. i was never active in other socmed platform except yt. But i am aware of the issue. I just hope you are doing well now. And let's just hope KQ will be pretty consistent and keeping their promises. Let's support Ateez and educate each other. Thank you for this video.

[@mo4512]

I'm so sorry for all the black Atinys who went through so much and were attacked by their own fandom even though they were right and had to speak up for the issue :(❤️❤️❤️ Y'all didn't deserve that :(

[@chilimanelle2256]

I’m begging that this won’t happen again in ateez. Certain things I can forgive but not forget, especially if it was old and before I joined kpop. Which is kind of me making excuses for them I know. But truly if this happens again to any group I watch, I really will unstan without hesitation.

[@clelia4660]

I hate the excuse of "We used it as a concept" "This was used in a musical sense", just quit the bs. Also, it's not that hard for them to do their research, you don't make a full album, an MV, teaser photos, choose the outfits, the hairstyles and everything and release the whole damn thing in 5 minutes. A comeback takes months, they should know better.

[@nosir2611]

didnt san have cornrows last year or am i trippin

[@AdeolaAsh]

He did 🥴

[@dokessezeaka5159]

I regards u to zico I remember when everyone was obssesed with tough cookie when it came out, I couldn't really understand what he was saying or paid attention to the lyrics, but now knowing, I'm shocked parents allowed their kids to sing it on variety shows

[@eden_v3133]

antiny became super toxic super fast. i stopped associating with that fandom early on. It's insane though that black people are essentially being bullied out. enjoying music and variety content doesn't mean u have to leave ur brain at the door. It's actually really easy to just listen to the people who are affected by these issues and YET

[@danielaflores5678]

Idk why this 2020 is just ugh

[@S.O.S89]

These kpop companies and idols seem like they write they apologizes before hand cause how do you still not learn from pervious cases to me it seem like ugh y’all got problem with it oh will we will still do it but give you apologies letters

[@xanjey17]

I swear they have a book of excuses and then apologies when they can’t get by.

[@khi5235]

Ooop girl why you do Joon like that 💀

[@AdeolaAsh]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@forjungwon6250]

Kq isn’t the company fans think they are, I’ve been trying to tell people

[@blueblooms8740]

i have a question... isn't san's hair in their Halloween performance of wonderland cultural appropriation?

[@AdeolaAsh]

Yes

[@blueblooms8740]

@@AdeolaAsh thank you for informing me! actually i'm learning about cultural appropriation and racism in kpop everyday and it was so nice of you to confirm my doubt. i understand most of the stuff related to Indian culture but I need to learn and understand about other cultures around the world too so a little help is appreciated from time to time ❤ !!

[@annapirkovskaia]

I agree with the majority of what you said about the situation, also I'm happy KQ didn't repeat the mistake. However, from the point of view of an artist and designer, I completely understand why they didn't change the promo photos or the music video. In similar industries, specially Kpop, those parts of content are prepared months before being posted online, everything looking alike and in the same style. They were continuously posting everything for a month, each date planned and it would be extremly unprofessional for them to suddenly stop it and post a fast edited redisigned photos that don't match the music video. Editing the video itself would be impossible, hair modeling animation is one of the most difficult things to do and I doubt the company would even have the budged to make it look it at least presentable, also there weren't enough time. Can you imagine the video with strange AI hair wavering around Hongjoons head? Again, I'm upset at the situation, but I think the apology and the fact that didn't repeat it it's enough.

[@cindypinkley]

i really dont wanna be rude, but ateez saved my life. i cant believe this.

[@viki7268]

KQ is seven seasons!? Oh no.....

[@hanabunin131]

i didnt know as well and always wondered why ateez would cover block b songs because they are their (company) "seniors" omg

[@Tattooedsaints]

Really informative 🙂

[@myra3718]

Please check out her other videos as they are just as informative.

[@mapasekadlamini]

I'm starting to lose interest even on k-pop music now😏

[@MARIIIIIXD_]

Hi, im not a black Atiny, ATEEZ are one of my ults. I started stanning them after all of this happened and Hongjoong is my bias. I found this video just now and I have a question for all Black Atiny, I want to know what is the best way for us, white people (in my case), to help when CA happens in Kpop. I myself do not believe that a mistake should ruin someone`s career and I do not stand up for cancel culture but I genuinely think that when it comes to CA, the way you guys speak up shouldnt be taken as "exaggerating and overreacting" but as genuine concern and to educate the idols you love... Anyways, I would like to know what is the best way to handle and help to solve these and how do we genuinely make idols learn from these mistakes

[@modisedaeswatiniprincess6944]

Any culture and religion deserves to be respected so let's start off by understanding that appropriation isnt appreciation or respect. What you can do is stand by those who got offended, rightfully so. If people say they have an issue with kpop idols using certain things from their culture or religion or saying certain things (like racial or homophobic slurs out of "ignorance") accept it. Do NOT question why tf they're upset, you're likely to not understand because social sciences is very complex but what we can do in order to co-exist is understand that just because you dont get why I'm upset then my feelings are invalid. One thing I've noticed is that most white kpop stans invalidate anything black and brown people have to say. Just shut up if you don't get it or support us. Also throwing racial slurs at people just because they're criticising your faves is not it 🤦🏽‍♀️ I dont know if that helped but yeah that is all.

[@s.h4988]

Wow of didnt know how racist zico was

[@deejah4529]

If I ever see Zico it is in FUCKING SIGHTTTTTT!!! that man enrages me ffs

[@cherryst4rss]

can someone tell me some unproblematic groups or the least unproblematic at least? bc i'm getting tired of this🖐️😐

[@m..945]

bruh confederate flaggg???

[@Ashlame23]

I just seen this video. I’m white but i have seen many black people say about this hairstyle and wondered about it and why it’s wrong? I didn’t grow up around black people but I look to learn more and hope that it’s okay to ask

[@bbpenguins8749]

it’s upsetting to see non black people wearing cornrows, because of the history behind them. My enslaved ancestors would braid their hair like that for various reasons the main one was to braid map’s of plantations into their hair to plan escapes routes, and to hide grains of rice to eat without getting caught. Another reason is because our hair was and still is seen as ugly, unprofessional, crazy, etc. Because of the time period slaves did not have the resources to “maintain” their hair so they braided it up to keep it out of the way and mostly out of sight. i hope this helps you understand better

[@Duennooo]

A saw a video of a fan calling out ateez and all the comments were telling her to stfu. That’s what happens on literally ever video calling out ateez .

[@tuma2624]

Got back here after 2 years and glad to say that this was the last cultural appropriation issue they had.

[@AdeolaAsh]

No actually, they’ve since mocked Native Americans while also wearing Dreamcatchers and using teepee’s, wore an Afro wig to make fun of Mexicans, the list goes on. I guess I’ll make sure to include this in a future video because atiny keep coming to this video to say they haven’t had problems since when that’s far from the truth, the fandom must be covering all of these scandals meticulously

[@LetsBeHonest30]

It’s funny how Atiny’s defend Ateez about copyright in dancing and music but turn a blind eye on this. Their dance moves are a copy of black artists and choreographers. I’ve been listening to K-pop for over 16 years and I can’t stand seeing fans continue to be blind to what their favs are doing.

[@tlaisa]

It's getting harder and harder to like kpop. I really love it, but I hate the racism. These people let these idols get away with everything. I think it's because of the Asian fetish they have for them.

[@MoonStarr-02]

I wouldn't say asians as a whole because its mainly some koreaboos and weeaboos and some other east asian countries but not the whole continent

[@hapiari1515]

I swear if the whole black kpop fans were to just leave kpop it would suffer monumentally and it wouldn't be as popular as it is

[@yeeet2168]

Isn't ateez the only group in kq ?

[@floretro2949]

Nope there's also block b?

[@1412SAX55]

Im a fan of block b and u basically only said negative things about em but how tf am i not feeling upset lmal On that note, dont trust kq

[@brownieandcookie4104]

Just wondering why you’ve only made a video on Ateez? They’ve apologised personally 3 times and been one of the only idol groups to do it. Can you make a video on other groups like Stray kids? They’ve had a lot of ca with black culture, Indian culture, a member of theirs just had an antiblack and anti sea, fatphobic and ableist rap surface too and they’ve worn durags

[@AdeolaAsh]

You must have not seen my channel. I’ve made solo videos on NCT and BTS as well. I also spent over a month making a 44 minute long video on the entire Kpop industry, including stray kids. Bang Chan is literally in the thumbnail. Go watch them if you want kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4KTpYVqh72Afrs kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmq9Yqxnr5l5j6c kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKXOdWCBp8h4pac The statements Ateez made were included in this video. They are not the only idol group to make such statements so please don’t lie as if they’re special.

[@brownieandcookie4104]

@@AdeolaAsh never said they were the ‘only group’ I only said they were one of the only, which is still true, the leader actually apologising directly to a black fan and apologising on vogue and Forbes and not just giving out a ‘general’ apology is rarely done. As a black atiny I forgive them but yes thank you for showing me the other video you’ve made! I was just wondering why you only made a solo video on ateez when there are much worse groups in 4th gen that have done much more :)

[@AdeolaAsh]

When did Hongjoong directly apologize to a Black fan? Please send me the link

[@brownieandcookie4104]

@@AdeolaAsh you can look it up on twitter! There’s a whole video, he just did it in a fansign, a black atiny got the chance to talk to him and he apologised and said he was going to take time to read up on the culture and learn as much as he can! Their account has the video of them talking if you just search it on Twitter!

[@AdeolaAsh]

I can’t find it on twitter, I already looked. Please comment the link

[@justsomeguywithasmolmustac9476]

And I thought ATEEZ was least problematic.

[@goldglitter1234]

I feel like Ateez still by themselves isn’t problematic because they took responsibility of what they did wrong. Their company on the other hand…

[@goodzi1255]

@@goldglitter1234 it's still rooted to their company's actions but it affected their idols 😔

[@LilRockShrimp]

and here i was told that attez are not racist..by their fans

[@moonglare5885]

What do you think of ateez's halloween stage performance, san had braids that resemble cornrows

[@AdeolaAsh]

They didn’t “resemble cornrows”, they *were* cornrows. That’s why I said in the video that this was their first *big* cultural appropriation controversy. It’s not the first time they did it, it was just the first time nonblack Atinys weren’t able to gaslight their way out of their faves being held accountable.

[@batteryacid1]

it may be blind hope but im still hoping that KQ ent. has changed and will continue to change since block b...

[@gbs.m]

I have watched this video many many time, now I feel that I stan the wrong group, Idk, I love them, but I feel sad. I want opinions. Is it wrong to stan ATEEZ?

[@mell_mendes]

No, isn't wrong. Cold sense. But i can't speak for your heart and feelings, if you feel uncomfortable with them, you should stay away if you want to

[@Sumorgrooos2]

I- huh?

[@ubu8]

Kq and 7season's ceo are the same people??

[@uzomannorom1409]

kq is a sub-label of seven seasons. seven seasons ent, however, is practically dormant ever since block b left.

[@bunnymeru]

ugh kq

[@jacquelinelugo5518]

Hated Mister Golden Phone from a while back. He was always sketchy and whenever anyone would call him out on it. He only apologized as to not have it effect his album sales. He sucks and thanks to Golden Phone boy here. I had to stop listening to Dean 😒

[@andjelabozovic7365]

who is he i mean mister golden phone

[@arifeto5800]

cristal generation in 3, 2, 1.

[@AdeolaAsh]

???

[@demofess0099]

Their is always gonna be stupid dumb and unecessary problem like this even worst it need to stop 😐 its serious no laughing matter

[@jinownmysoul2664]

And people go just stan ateez bcz they r ✨unproblematic✨

[@mell_mendes]

Compared to some other kpop groups, they have less controversies

[@namjoonsmoonpie3346]

@@mell_mendes ur right about that

[@Deeznuts-vi1jv]

ugh atinys

[@wjshty]

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