ATF Hates the New GEN12 PDS Shotgun

[@ToddZBod]

YIKES! $5G's a deal breaker... they need to work on that.

[@MrRidleyDog]

Temu has one for $11.68 .

[@codykelly6066]

Best type of shotgun you can buy that’s magazine fed there are more expensive shotguns out there

[@patrickbodine1300]

OBVIOUSLY not for your everyday shooter.

[@WasenshiDo]

Probably has a $2000 suppressor lol

[@vincentlalicata696]

Go to primary arms they have plenty of ar style shotguns under 500 bucks great deals

[@coreyhall9461]

For that price, it should come with 5 5round mags, 5 10 round mags, a chest rig with 4 shotgun cards, the stock should be 3 positions, electronic ear pro, tac gloves, a gift car for a dinner for two at a five star restaurant, a voucher for a weekend in a five star hotel anywhere in the continental US (Gotta smooth over the misses to accept a 5grand purchase), a case of buckshot, a case of slugs, and a case of birdshot. Then I MIGHT consider 5k......MAYBE

[@xiinomadia4923]

Don't forget the suppressor! Cause it's sure ain't gonna be in the box either

[@justinrice243]

For him to get that gun at that price I'd love to what he does as a day job. 😂😂😂

[@kennethrogers1129]

Yeah for 5g I'd rather buy an electric bike and a rifle to hunt with,

[@nonacdesign]

It comes with a used 2005 Toyota Corolla, it's actually a great deal

[@coreyhall9461]

@@nonacdesign 😂😂😂😂😂for 5K it better!!!

[@JRotten]

I'll wait for PSA to come out with one.

[@apeshitcrazyman]

😂😂👍👍👍

[@user-st9wh4ed5l]

Definitely

[@petrol_prophet]

hahaha facts. You know they're working on it

[@TheMcpvideo]

That would be awesome 👍

[@garrettelliott2565]

That $5k price tag will wash down to $850 when PSA comes out with their own model lol

[@Anubis_Outdoors]

Wallet doesn't like you right now ..............

[@CHAOSTACTICAL]

Yeah 3000-3600 I'll pass for now

[@anwarlateef5342]

😮​@@CHAOSTACTICAL

[@hughtanner208]

@@CHAOSTACTICAL would love to see what you are finding that price. Their website is $5k

[@st.louismissouri3312]

@@CHAOSTACTICALstupid

[@sammoz4209]

$5,000? I rather get the Derya MK-12 Tactical Shotgun

[@rashewhite]

For the price, it needs to come with more than one magazine.

[@Fugie30]

@@rashewhite A 5rd magazine at that! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@humanresources2138]

There's a 15 drum for $200 you can buy on they're website.

[@josepharce8548]

He said they hv a 10 rd mag for 50 bucks, mfr for 5 racks it should come with 10 10 rounders and ammo. ​@humanresources2138

[@josepharce8548]

​@@humanresources21385 more rounds than a 10 rd mag but 150$ more? No Sir, that math ain't mathin Bro.

[@Ianjdgale]

@@humanresources2138their

[@popwarhomie]

I was like "Oh I gotta have one" then saw the price. HELL NOOOOO.

[@TheRedStateBlue]

VR-80

[@kellygibson4653]

Yep!

[@bautistavazquez6295]

Same :/

[@mp1922]

How much they are asking??

[@popwarhomie]

@@mp1922 $5000

[@Moondo31]

Beautiful gun but $5k damn

[@florida3fan750]

They offer it direct to FFL for 2800. Gunbroker markup is 5k

[@yrichspirit2350]

@@florida3fan750I’ll pay 2800 but 5 is steep

[@TRR56]

@@florida3fan750that’s for the 7” and 10” unsuppressed versions of the SBS and SBM. This new one is coming soon and 5k direct

[@Fugie30]

@@florida3fan750 Thank you now that’s in my budget for 12 gauge.

[@kemetreasures5630]

5 k ??

[@digitalpunk5365]

I was thinking, “ok, probably $2600. I can swing it.” $5k is 😅

[@pewpewdingers]

Yeah the price is definitely a chunk of change. They do have other options that costs less. This one is just kinda expensive.

[@florida3fan750]

@@pewpewdingers it makes sense though with the can addition. With a shorty shotgun you’ll need a vert grip for control so you avoid having to “double stamp” if you were to add a can later

[@chicochico5703]

$5000 they are bugging

[@digitalpunk5365]

@@florida3fan750 the can is fixed?

[@florida3fan750]

@@digitalpunk5365 yes, I believe so in the 5k version

[@warrenb8228]

For 5 grand this thing better be made out of meteorite and carbon fiber.

[@Donjarale1031]

Adamantium and vibranum

[@Duck95ish]

its closer to 7 grand in my region... so sad, the mrs wont sign off on that

[@Marlfox37]

@@Duck95ish I think that’s understandable bro but my heart does ache for your loss. Or…’not’ lost.

[@monkadelic13]

better pop out a hot pocket instead of an empty shell

[@JohnDebasa]

5 grand?? i could buy a beater for that price lol

[@bearnolen3584]

This video made me fall back in love with my $300 Bull Pup 12 Gauge.

[@SinSupreme]

Just googled this looks amazing 👍

[@GeorgeTropicana]

DP-12 ❤️

[@gilberticus6978]

I'll give ya $420 .00 for it

[@zachkennedy5677]

What bull pup do you have? I have been considering a Gforce Arms GFY-1, that is around $320

[@bearnolen3584]

@@zachkennedy5677 I have the Black Aces Tactical and it's a beast. Although my shotgun is really good, the Black Aces company has a really bad reputation. Do your own homework, they all come from Turkey. There's a bunch of them available at Palmetto Armory.

[@thewanderingalbatross1061]

I just bought two shotguns this week. Tokarev Hammer and Titan. (12 gauge pump and semi auto). Paid $174 USD out the door per gun. Until I win the lottery these will work just fine!

[@Hugh_Jassle]

Good luck with your Turkish shotguns lmao

[@thewanderingalbatross1061]

@@Hugh_Jassle Both have no reports of failures online and nothing but positive reviews so thanks!

[@Shutupandshoot1776]

@@thewanderingalbatross1061 thats good to hear. i have a hard time trusting turk guns so ive went with a maverick 88, i have a slugger barrel and a chopped down 18 inch barrel and got them for about 250 per gun

[@cyber_robot889]

Under 200 bucks?! wow USA so lucky with second commitment 🙏

[@mikalcoronado914]

@@thewanderingalbatross1061 tfb tv puts them through a review. Complete shit of a gun, no thank you sir

[@crinklecut3790]

That thing cycled smooth like butter! I’m impressed.

[@Trip6ixxandBlixx]

That thing is hard as fuck, boy.

[@pewpewdingers]

I approve this message.

[@martypoynter9806]

Not $5000.00 hard

[@cooldaddyfunk]

​@@martypoynter9806oh no SHIT

[@Fernan386]

That's what she said

[@powerguymark]

You need to have video number two showing the pattern you get with different types of ammo. Thanks for the video.

[@daltontyson]

$5000? Damn!

[@chargerman440]

$5k for a shotgun? Hard pass

[@andrewtanczyk4009]

Yep, out of my price range. Even if I was rich and could piss my money away I’m not sure I could even justify that purchase.

[@jawanpowell9053]

Yeah, that's insane!

[@gmarie701]

@@andrewtanczyk4009 I am, and I also would not...

[@k9life221]

And shoots one size shell…

[@Joker5gurl]

5k

[@DPham1]

At this price range, I could buy a Beretta 1301 + A300 Ultima Patrol (platforms which have proven to be reliable) and probs still have money left over to buy optics and shells to train with :(

[@juanpizarro6642]

Última Patrol is great

[@nickamalfitano3613]

At that price, a 50 beowulf AR pistol (even with ridiculous priced ammo) makes more sense

[@fatcatlost]

Had me sold till that 5k moment

[@daveh9551]

At the end of the day its just a shotgun with 10 rds.

[@EazyE11]

If I brought that im not going to afford to have a home to defend.

[@jameslalley3787]

I bought the Panzer gen2 BP semi automatic shotgun! Have 400 rounds through it with zero issues! I shoot 2 3/4 “ 00 buckshot and slugs ! No jams no failures! Only paid $400 for it! Worth every penny!

[@Lynn-j6q]

The price is absolutely CRAZY

[@ggrillz]

At first I was 🎉🎉🎉🎉 then I saw the price😢😢😢

[@Marlfox37]

5 grand is just comical.

[@petrol_prophet]

in a crying while laughing type of way

[@alibabasaluja6764]

Just purchased a honey badger with all the dressings. This is like the shot gun version of it. I'll add this to the collection

[@scottwilson9676]

Unless you use slugs exclusively shotshells will malform in the magazine fairly quick especially in hot weather and not feed right. This is the reason I got rid of mine.

[@samurai7270]

I will stick to my 200$ magazine fed Tokarev that runs flawlessly ❗️🔥😂😂

[@LeadAlchemist2133]

Is it also super short barrel, short stock and suppressed?

[@Mitch-h8t]

@@LeadAlchemist2133only a brain dead fuck would spend $5k on this shotgun. You can buy a SBS Vepr 12 and a SBS benelli M4 at the same time and it would be cheaper.

[@twissted1277]

Yup paid for mine also. I also added some go fast parts to mine also. I have the FAB defense hand grip. Phase 5 extended bolt release. Mill spec buttstock. Vector Optics scrd-sm44 red dot. I have the 10" breacher

[@bigbezzee]

This is exactly what i have been dreaming of!! Instantly in love!!!!!

[@bigbezzee]

Aaaaaaannnnnndddd it's out of the budget!😢

[@pewpewdingers]

😂 I laughed with the response to your own comment hahah. I feel you brother.

[@willmartin792]

$5000...............nope!!!!

[@__-pl3jg]

It definitely looks like a duty shotgun but at $5000 who cares?! Plus you have to wait months for the ATF to give you a tax stamp for the short barrel and suppressor....Which costs extra. A Saiga 12 goes for around $800 right now.

[@yrichspirit2350]

🔥 but I’m not paying 5000$

[@pewpewdingers]

Inflation brother. It’s hurting us all. Haha

[@lynxpointlizard]

because youre poor

[@gamerm4876]

“Forget ATF” I hate the new gen12 Pds Shotgun 😂 5k Outta here wit that

[@RunningThruLife]

5k for a 12 gauge. No fkn thanks 😂

[@corydeal8442]

Just wait a year for them to realize that nobody is stupid enough to pay $5000 for a shotgun. Then when they go out of business just go to the auction and get one for $1000.

[@Dharqness]

sig out of business ROFL.. man you dummer n 2 left shoes.

[@lilweavsadventure636]

I do not care what anybody says you cannot justify $5000-$6000 for a 12 gauge shotgun I don’t care if it’s made out of solid gold. There’s no way in hell that price can be justified. Whoever made it can keep it.

[@pewpewdingers]

Well, solid gold would be like 60k 😂

[@dirtriders3615]

@@pewpewdingersepic response

[@JuanHernandez-pq6nb]

You need a drum and stop playing around

[@me2ontube]

They make a drum for it actually - 13? rd

[@StaxxxCmd]

They are unreliable

[@richwilson4465]

Drowning pool neime

[@Zebra66]

Only 13... well make it a ribbon feed then...

[@HAVOCRISING_]

I own a Genesis arms shotgun, best SG I own and quality SG and fast and never had any issues at the range. Overall great quality work and fav home defense weapon by far..

[@Trilobite45]

ATF hates anything that doesn’t have a flintlock ignition, doesnt use black powder loaded from a bovine horn, doesn’t use cotton/linen patch & doesn’t load a lead ball.

[@wyrmmm]

Very nice and well worth it. Funny how everyone wants American made but dont like the prices that come with it .

[@steamman9193]

It’s cool but it’s so close to being an “other firearm” that is so less restrictive. 2 3/4” isn’t a downside after purchasing shotguns that can take 3” and 3.5” I quickly learned they are very hard to find and expensive. But it’s very cool and I would definitely not want to be on the receiving end

[@pewpewdingers]

This true. Just wanted to let people know what it’s chambered in. 3inch have been cool though

[@GldenRetriever]

I hope they offer this as an upper that fits regular AR10 lowers like KAC, LMT, ADM, etc.

[@brighthought11]

^

[@GldenRetriever]

@@Jameshoover753 Just checked and it isn't listed.

[@brighthought11]

@@Jameshoover753 no it fits the rounded newer ones, original ar10 lowers like LMT / kac etc have a sharp angle line

[@Fugie30]

Let me see $5000 - shot gun $200 - tax stamp $900 - suppressor $200 - tax stamp $100 - transfer fees $318 - state taxes total 6% MI $150 - shipping and handling total 🤔 $6868 - all in for this weapon

[@teacher913]

Like I wasn't already sad about the price😊

[@eudaem0n]

I believe the can is included int he 5k price. It's in the description on the page for the model

[@lynxpointlizard]

so you're poor, got it

[@Fugie30]

@@lynxpointlizard Just tactical spending

[@JustAnotherPaddy]

I’ll probably still do it.

[@jerrymtanking]

Nice gun but, I'll stick to my custom modified Saiga shotgun, Thank you. Good vid!

[@entryleveltactics]

Very cool. I would honestly just be interested in the suppressor though. I don't feel like shotgun suppressors get the same attention that rifle cans do.

[@pewpewdingers]

Yeah absolutely! It is such a weird design. Very different from a normal can. I don’t think they work nearly as effective, but it helps.

[@GiantSlayer-rr1vu]

I'm going to have to look into this PDS. I have a Saiga now. But its time to upgrade. Thanks for this video.

[@leauxfi673]

Not only that... But they have an upper coming that you'll be able to swap to and it'll fire 8.6 rounds! So it can handle double duty

[@boykinlp]

That is CRAZY! NEVER even thought suppressing a shotgun was possible!

[@honkhonk1555]

I hear you name it the Breachy Boy.

[@pewpewdingers]

😂

[@josephhurst4902]

the way you walk through the ups and downs of the Firearm could be used as Hunters safety course. seeing as you are clear and concise of what the pros and cons of the weapons are and what you suggest they do for the best experience while in opperation of the Firearm.

[@Coldlegend214]

4k is crazy

[@ericpayne8837]

5fuckin grand! I was hyped…. Not no more!😂

[@ry-land-]

It’s $5000 just get a Beretta A300, lol… Also, “just a shotgun” is going away. They are versatile, powerful, easily accessible and with drone warfare becoming popular, will be a mainstay in any group of fighters.

[@885.0ELopez]

Nah 300 is way to big this one way better I can carry everywhere next to me pull it out no hesitation

[@mr.madlock9687]

So far this my favorite looking 12 gauge. And with the suppressor. Omg I love the sound of it. And you said the kick is manageable. I love it

[@SLEEP8313]

Looks badass! Thank God for credit cards 😂😅

[@pewpewdingers]

🙏🏽 amen

[@thenaughtyamericanexpat]

Wife: "How much did you pay for it?" Husband: "They gave it to me. They were like, 'Hey'."

[@CORNERCAMPING]

Not worth 5k but that thing is sweet. Half that and i'm a buyer!

[@pewpewdingers]

Gotta remember that part of that cost is a suppressor haha but yeah, I get it. It’s steep price.

[@ItsDaBlackKing]

@@pewpewdingerswhat’s the name of the shotgun

[@CORNERCAMPING]

@@pewpewdingers then on top of the that is 2 stamps 😭

[@bigshrimpn]

I'll stick to my AWS Trench-12 for now. Glad I got it when I did.

[@sunnsandNC]

That thing is 5K on gunbroker.

[@honkhonk1555]

They don’t call it broker for no reason

[@franklinholbrook924]

I looked too................PASS. I'll buy a NEMO for that price.

[@MooseBme]

Cool, thanks!

[@slaughterhouse799]

Jeez I hate it cuz the price 😂

[@mashariel]

Outside of the price tag the drawback that stood out to me was shell limitation but maybe thats in my head, but flexibility would be important to me, seems like a well designed and functioning piece.

[@nagaviper1169]

$5k hard pass. No firearm is worth that.

[@virtuaguyverify]

There are lots of guns worth $5k

[@RS-un7zm]

Barret .50 cal?

[@nagaviper1169]

@@RS-un7zm Nope

[@christopherroney9259]

Browning m2?

[@RS-un7zm]

M249b?

[@roadhog19]

Still can't figure out why people put a site on a "shotgun". It is a close quarters firearm. I have the ksg by Kel-Tec iron sites are all I use. Holds 15 rounds with one chambered. Or 22 1 3/4" shells wit one chambered. $750.00 and I love it. $5,000.00 🤪

[@dostres231]

I would get one ASAP! To bad I live in COMMIEFORNIA

[@MrBlahblahblee]

I wonder if it’s possible to make it fixed mag. Well also I forgot about the suppressor… sigh stupid California

[@liquidsmokemustang1537]

That’s why I’m moving to TN by end of year. Cali native but, it’s gotten ridiculous.

[@wythetrumpet6419]

I would say you can really clear a hallway with that sucker!!!

[@KapKen]

I don't like guns, but that thing is cool. You say home defense, does it shot the beanbags or real 12ga shells?

[@pewpewdingers]

It can shoot lethal and non lethal rounds I suppose.

[@Hell_Hound_Actual]

@@pewpewdingers Correction: you mean less lethal. There is no such thing as a 100% non lethal. Even the pepper ball rounds, unfortunately, have claimed a few lives, though it is exceedingly rare. Just want people to know facts. Love your content, happy to subscribe, and definitely left a like on your comment and the video too.

[@Hell_Hound_Actual]

@@myceliummobb No. How about you take your own advice.

[@Hell_Hound_Actual]

@@myceliummobb That's the thing about text, it doesn't convey tone. Thanks for clearing that up though. If one does put out misinformation though, they effectively are indeed, asking for a correction. There is nothing "pick me" about it though, but you do you. I will say though, interesting online handle/name choice. Actually, seems pretty cool. Either way, I hope you have a good day.

[@myceliummobb]

@@Hell_Hound_Actual srry wasnt trying to to throw shade u seem chill, I get into internet bs mode 2 easy these days my bad not trying to be an ass

[@TRR56]

I will be saving my pennies. This is something you don’t need but want with a passion 🤣

[@MarkWilliam-z7t]

$5k and one 5rd mag?

[@brokenhands512]

The manufacturer is fucked up.

[@donvongprachanh1484]

That is the best-looking shotgun i have ever seen.

[@XCaPTainClipzX]

The mini John wick

[@pewpewdingers]

Yesssss!

[@Jason-nosaJ]

*5K!* Well, Jr didn't need them braces anyway...

[@gilberticus6978]

Not worth 5k. Only worth 2.5 at most

[@JuanHernandez-pq6nb]

How crazy if you put in a binary trigger

[@pewpewdingers]

I bet we could make that work 😂

[@scottjohnson360]

@@pewpewdingersforced reset triggers rock!

[@DriftLifePSN]

5grand!?? I'll stick to my panzer arms MAG12. it's only the second AR12 I've bought but damn i love it! Heavy AF though!

[@chuyvapes5551]

I would definitely buy it except im in California and im sure the collapsable stock is illegal. 🖕🏻California even if it’s my state.

[@pewpewdingers]

Move to America my brother!

[@blackfacegaming191]

F that. Make this guy stay in the hellhole he voted for till he fixes it. Then he can move

[@chuyvapes5551]

@@blackfacegaming191 what’s wrong with you guys? How are you blaming me for where I was born you guys act like I can control anything here

[@Genghis_John]

yeah dude... everything in Cali is illegal, and we agree.... 🖕California

[@Hell_Hound_Actual]

@@chuyvapes5551 Seems to me what is wrong with @blackfacegaming191 , at a minimum, is he assumes what you voted for, where as I'm not assuming, but guessing, that you most likely didn't vote for those policies, and another point is that one assumes that just because other people from Commiefornia have moved to other states and continued to vote for the policies that lead Commifornia to become what it is now, doesn't mean that applies to all. Furthermore, forcing someone to stay there is just as unconstitutional, so instead of an assumption, I'll make the observation, that @blackfacegaming191 doesn't really stand for the US Constitution. Otherwise the individual wouldn't want to force you to stay there just because that state has a policy that most of us don't agree with. Sorry for the long post, @chyvapes5551 I for one, hope that things do get better for you, and for everyone else in Commiefornia. I can't blame someone for where they were born. I wasn't born in the USA, but I did serve 8 years in the US military in Special Operations. I moved to the USA because the Bill of Rights can't be repealed, ratified, or changed, in any legal way, according to the Federalist Papers, in the section where they specify what separates the Bill of Rights from the rest of the US Constitution. You hang in there.

[@DaddyDanz]

What are the ATF requirements? Tax stamp required?

[@bi5hop516]

5 grand for a shotgun i have over 10 guns and still dont have that much invested 😂😂😂. Sheesh EDIT... 5K and you only give me 1 5round mag 💀🤦🏾‍♂️🤡

[@AestheticShutter]

It shoes 2800 for me ??

[@pewpewdingers]

This specific model is 5k. And yes only 1 mag haha.

[@AestheticShutter]

@@pewpewdingers SHEESHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@bi5hop516]

@AestheticShutter genesisarms.com/gen-12-pds/ Here is the link for this specific model lol. Beautiful gun but my wife would shoot me with it if she found out I spent that much on a shotgun 😭😂😂

[@bi5hop516]

@pewpewdingers work of art but I'll love my life through you and watch you enjoy it 🫡😎

[@prettycoolPJ]

*checks to see it Klarna will let me...

[@RobToz2011]

I’ll keep my cheap mossberg 500 but this looks really cool.

[@kellygibson4653]

It is a fantastic shotgun without a doubt. Every tacitcal gun owner in the US right now would love to own this. The kicker is that it is $5000.00 USD. How many people do you think can feasibly drop $5k for a shotgun? Not very many but plenty for the company to make money. Just leaves out most of middles class patriotic Americans that would buy one immediately if they could afford to. This is truly a superior tactical home defense firearm.

[@jimhamilton4074]

Great looking shotgun! It would be a great truck gun!

[@rustyshackleford1418]

This about sums it up 'Doggie In The Window.'

[@awanderson]

Well done video. Keep em' comin'

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

I love that it's American made but 5k?.. Holy Moly. There are so many in the $500 - $1000 range I can't see the justification for such a high price. Not to mention you'll have to SBS this as well as suppressed. I do LOVE the idea of a reliable suppressed shotgun for home defense. No having to throw on ear protection or go deaf after the first round fired indoors. I think that is a huge advantage as a home defense weapon. On a side note, I prefer birdshot to avoid over-penetration. Fine for the average home invasion and being able to fire 11 rounds in a couple seconds makes it "scalable" to the threat level. I'm not planning on ever having to defend against body armor plus you just have to alter your aim a bit 😆

[@shyecjj]

I have 2 pristine condition VEPR 12s with A LOT of large clips. IMO they are the best ever made.

[@myceliummobb]

Best shotgun ever

[@FadeintotheShadows]

This should be the Aftermarket part for the Chimera from MW3.

[@mojo4376]

Is it made out of solid gold?

[@paulamaro645]

That thing is freaking beautiful!

[@humanresources2138]

For home defense, this would be perfect.

[@vktravellog1242]

That means you need to get one!

[@MYZTICTRAVLER]

That spiked end on the suppressor is not designed for breaching. It is called a crenulated (Bezel) end, and is used as a self defense tool. Gorgeous shotgun though.

[@adamgoad4131]

I had to talk myself into the price of my Benelli M4. I'm glad I did because it's beautiful and runs great. This is almost 3 times that....ouch

[@ScubaSam242]

I want one so badly but 5K is a tall order, then I want a custom cerakote

[@jesseray7238]

Don't even look at it California, we can't touch🤣

[@SectionATE617]

5 bands??? Yeeesh!! I really want one tho!

[@BO-dc4xg]

Wow!!! Now I have needs. Haha so quiet.!!! Very cool thanks for the video!

[@GR_17is.]

My Origin 12 was $2700...half price. Im good with what I have👍

[@BigRelly1]

I love that shotgun, but I got to see about these Powerball tickets first.

[@ghostwrench2292]

That thing is awesome! But $5k? I guess I’ll keep my VR80.